Re: [Evolution] Custom Headers
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:07 +0530, Akhil Laddha wrote: > Second problem has been fixed in 2.29.2 > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570835 Thank you Akhil. I'll apply the patch. -- Kip Warner -- Software Developer President & CEO Kshatra Corp. OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Date formats
I see that in 2.28 Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Headers now allows you to select alternative date formats for displayed message headers (maybe it's been around for a while but I'd never noticed it before). Two things occur to me: 1) It would be nice to be able to add more formats, e.g. I like dates to look like 25/12/09 but that isn't one of the options (I have to use 25.12.09). I guess I could change the locale setting but that's too elaborate, and would affect everything else that uses dates. 2) The message list date columns do use the locale. It would be cool (not to say consistent) if they also followed the Preferences setting. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Date formats
Hi, On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 10:44 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I see that in 2.28 Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Headers now > allows you to select alternative date formats for displayed message > headers (maybe it's been around for a while but I'd never noticed it > before). It's pretty new thing there. > Two things occur to me: > > 1) It would be nice to be able to add more formats, e.g. I like dates > to > look like 25/12/09 but that isn't one of the options (I have to use > 25.12.09). I guess I could change the locale setting but that's too > elaborate, and would affect everything else that uses dates. You can write there almost anything. It's using strftime internally, thus it understands all format specifiers from it, plus a special one "%ad". There is an obvious lack of information in user docs, though I'm not sure whether a regular user would understand all those %.. tags. > 2) The message list date columns do use the locale. It would be cool > (not to say consistent) if they also followed the Preferences setting. That's the other option there for it, named Table column. Copy your format from Date header there and it should use it as well. I hope it isn't missing in your evo. Bye, Milan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Date formats
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 13:47 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 10:44 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I see that in 2.28 Edit->Preferences->Mail Preferences->Headers now > > allows you to select alternative date formats for displayed message > > headers (maybe it's been around for a while but I'd never noticed it > > before). > > It's pretty new thing there. > > > Two things occur to me: > > > > 1) It would be nice to be able to add more formats, e.g. I like dates > > to > > look like 25/12/09 but that isn't one of the options (I have to use > > 25.12.09). I guess I could change the locale setting but that's too > > elaborate, and would affect everything else that uses dates. > > You can write there almost anything. It's using strftime internally, > thus it understands all format specifiers from it, plus a special one > "%ad". There is an obvious lack of information in user docs, though I'm > not sure whether a regular user would understand all those %.. tags. I hadn't noticed it was editable. That's good. Not sure about the %ad format though (I can see it tries to be smart about "today", "yesterday" etc. but for dates further in the past it seems to fall back to one of the standard formats > > 2) The message list date columns do use the locale. It would be cool > > (not to say consistent) if they also followed the Preferences setting. > > That's the other option there for it, named Table column. Copy your > format from Date header there and it should use it as well. I hope it > isn't missing in your evo. Yes, it works, thanks. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Date formats
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:50 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I hadn't noticed it was editable. That's good. Not sure about the %ad > format though (I can see it tries to be smart about "today", > "yesterday" > etc. but for dates further in the past it seems to fall back to one of > the standard formats Hi, correct. It's for 'abbreviated date'. It makes it for 7 days forth and back, and if it's more, then fallbacks to a default date/time format. The default format is also configurable, but not from UI. Bye, Milan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Date formats
> You can write there almost anything. It's using strftime internally, > thus it understands all format specifiers from it, plus a special one > "%ad". There is an obvious lack of information in user docs, though > I'm not sure whether a regular user would understand all those %.. tags. Speaking of which, that combo widget could use some usability love. Instead of listing a bunch of cryptic format codes which even I can't parse, the combo should list the current date and time in various formats with maybe a "Customize Format" option at the bottom. But before we do that I think it's worth asking does that combo really need to be customizable? Really? Couldn't we just add more options by popular demand? Are there really that many more variations of date formats in use out there? Seems like an interaction design cop-out to me, but then I'm happy with the defaults so maybe I'm just being naive. Matthew Barnes ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Date formats
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 13:06 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote: > > You can write there almost anything. It's using strftime internally, > > thus it understands all format specifiers from it, plus a special one > > "%ad". There is an obvious lack of information in user docs, though > > I'm not sure whether a regular user would understand all those %.. tags. > > Speaking of which, that combo widget could use some usability love. > > Instead of listing a bunch of cryptic format codes which even I can't > parse, the combo should list the current date and time in various > formats with maybe a "Customize Format" option at the bottom. > > But before we do that I think it's worth asking does that combo really > need to be customizable? Really? Couldn't we just add more options by > popular demand? Are there really that many more variations of date > formats in use out there? > > Seems like an interaction design cop-out to me, but then I'm happy with > the defaults so maybe I'm just being naive. I personally believe software should strive to be both friendly for unsophisticated users while making power users happy as well. So, on that note, if you look at the format options of something like OpenOffice Calc, it gives you exactly what you describe above. That is, a long list of predefined popular options, plus the ability to tweak to exactly what you want. > > Are there really that many more variations of date > > formats in use out there? In every programming language I've used, plus things like OpenOffice mentioned above, the number of formatting options for dates and times is mind numbing. So, I would have to think that "yes", there are many-many variations. Given that opensource software strives to be international friendly, flexibility is important. If you look at "man date", you will see the supported formats for dates which seems to be pretty widely supported in other languages such as PHP, Perl, etc. Evolution should use the same formaters which are more than likely part of some standard C library. As a side note, it also includes "%x" which falls back to the localized date format, probably a wise default for Evolution. -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Date formats
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 12:29 -0600, John Lange wrote: > In every programming language I've used, plus things like OpenOffice > mentioned above, the number of formatting options for dates and times > is mind numbing. So, I would have to think that "yes", there are > many-many variations. Given that opensource software strives to be > international friendly, flexibility is important. That's unfortunate but convincing. I'll fix up the combos and take a look at what OpenOffice does for customization. Might have to just throw up a stupid dialog with an entry box for now. And title it "Good Luck" just to be snarky. ;) Matthew Barnes ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Date formats
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:02 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 12:29 -0600, John Lange wrote: > > In every programming language I've used, plus things like OpenOffice > > mentioned above, the number of formatting options for dates and times > > is mind numbing. So, I would have to think that "yes", there are > > many-many variations. Given that opensource software strives to be > > international friendly, flexibility is important. > > That's unfortunate but convincing. > > I'll fix up the combos and take a look at what OpenOffice does for > customization. Might have to just throw up a stupid dialog with an > entry box for now. And title it "Good Luck" just to be snarky. ;) "Good Luck" is not snarky enough, title it "man date" ;) -- John Lange http://www.johnlange.ca ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?
I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have little experience with Linux. I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded the file and have extracted it. However, I find no install or setup file as you would in Windows. I still can't understand why in Linux such simple things are made so darn complicated. How can I figure this program out if I can't even figure out how to install it? Bryan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 22:07 +, evolution-list-requ...@gnome.org wrote: > I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have > little > experience with Linux. I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded > the file > and have extracted it. However, I find no install or setup > file as you > would in Windows. I still can't understand why in Linux such > simple > things are made so darn complicated. How can I figure this > program out > if I can't even figure out how to install it? > > Bryan Sadly, Bryan, you and I are in the same boat. We have to wait for our package maintainer to push the new packages into the apt servers. However, you might find debs somewhere out on the web but they probably have newer runtime dependencies then we will find in the universe / multiverse. -- Kip Warner -- Software Developer President & CEO Kshatra Corp. OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:07 -0800, Bryan Karlan wrote: > I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have little > experience with Linux. I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded the > file and have extracted it. However, I find no install or setup file > as you would in Windows. I still can't understand why in Linux such > simple things are made so darn complicated. How can I figure this > program out if I can't even figure out how to install it? > > Bryan Perhaps you should figure out how things work in Linux? You need to compile it. Compiling Evo isn't the simplest place/package to get started on. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?
There is not a direct analog to downloading source and compiling it (which you would have to do in this case) and what you describe in Windows. For windows, someone would have already compiled it and wrapped the installer around it: For Linux, that is what the Distro does when they create the .deb/.rpm/.whatever For Windows, as near as I can tell, this would be a case where you would download the source, and then install the development environment, and then load the project into the environment, and then kick off the compile inside the development tool. But very few Windows tools would give you the option of doing this, unless it is an Open Source project off someplace like SourceForge. There are some "Recipes" around for building Evolution from source, but I have found most of them are not for the faint of heart. Add to this that the 2.29 designation means that it is not the next release exactly. The release after 2.28 will be 2.30: Odd numbers indicate that the version is being developed... every day there are new code checkins. Things that work today will be broken tomorrow and the other way around. If you are just looking for what the new features will be, looking at the current 2.29 will only show you what they are at the point in time you did the download. Things will be added: Others removed because they could not be made stable by the 2.30 release date. On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 15:07 -0700, Bryan Karlan wrote: > I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have little > experience with Linux. I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded the > file and have extracted it. However, I find no install or setup file > as you would in Windows. I still can't understand why in Linux such > simple things are made so darn complicated. How can I figure this > program out if I can't even figure out how to install it? > > Bryan ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 06:49 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:07 -0800, Bryan Karlan wrote: > > I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have little > > experience with Linux. I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded the > > file and have extracted it. However, I find no install or setup file > > as you would in Windows. I still can't understand why in Linux such > > simple things are made so darn complicated. How can I figure this > > program out if I can't even figure out how to install it? > > > > Bryan > > Perhaps you should figure out how things work in Linux? You need to > compile it. Compiling Evo isn't the simplest place/package to get > started on. 2.29.x are milestone development versions. They are provided primarily to developers (or advanced users) for tests. A specific Linux distribution may package it if it wants to, but there are no expectations of correct behaviour. For Ubuntu, we will eventually package it (or next milestone) for Lucid (10.04). We will not make it available for 9.10, though. Anyway, when Lucid it released, it will have the 2.30 (stable release) Evolution, *not* a 2.29.*. In summary: 2.29.2 is a *source* distribution of Evolution, not a compiled package. It is expected the downloader will build it. As Ng Oon-Ee points out, building Evo is not a simple task, anyway. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:07 -0800, Bryan Karlan wrote: > I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have little > experience with Linux. I'm afraid those two statements are incompatible! As others have said, the odd point releases of most Gnome software are development versions and are likely to be unstable. > I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded the file and have extracted > it. Which "file"? If it's just the Evo source code, then to compile it you will need much more than that. > However, I find no install or setup file as you would in Windows. I > still can't understand why in Linux such simple things are made so > darn complicated. How can I figure this program out if I can't even > figure out how to install it? A release version of a package *is* simple to install - all you do is go to the gui package manager, click on the package and click install. Probably much easier than in windows. The equivalent in Windows to what you are asking to do is to install a development version of Outlook 2010 from source code download from the MS web site. Not something that I would recommend anyone even contemplate doing - if you could even get the source code in the first place, and the source code for the rest of Office (which you will need) and the source for all the Windows libraries (which you will need) and so on. P. > > Bryan > ___ > Evolution-list mailing list > Evolution-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:07 -0800, Bryan Karlan wrote: > I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have little > experience with Linux. I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded the > file and have extracted it. However, I find no install or setup file > as you would in Windows. I still can't understand why in Linux such > simple things are made so darn complicated. How can I figure this > program out if I can't even figure out how to install it? > > Bryan > ___ > Evolution-list mailing list > Evolution-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list I hesitate to download anything that's not listed in the Synaptic Package Manager. And I'm running Linux (now, the Ubuntu 9.04 distro for my 12th year, having started in 1996 with a Slakware distro. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Sending pgp signed msg with attachment locks up Evo
Mandriva 2010, Gnome 2.28, Evolution 2.28.1. When attempting to send a pgp signed message with an attachment whether I've previously entered my passphrase or not Evo will lockup and the only way out is to kill it. There are no issues with sending a msg with attachments if I don't sign it nor if I send one without attachments and do sign it. This just started last night and one thing I did notice in my syslog is this: evolution[14800]: segfault at 7c ip b56a007b sp bff5ee50 error 4 in libgtkhtml-3.14.so.19.1.1[b567+c] Also the following pkgs were updated yesterday morning. I have no idea if any of these could be a contributing factor. libgcc1-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed libstdc++6-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed libstdc++-devel-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed libgcj10-base-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed libgcj10-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed libgcj_bc1-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed libgcj-devel-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed gcj-tools-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed gcc-cpp-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed gcc-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed gcc-c++-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed gcc-java-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed libgcj10-src-4.4.1-4.1mnb2 installed Any ideas/suggestions would be much appreciated. Chris -- KeyID 0xE372A7DA98E6705C signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] How do you install 2.29 on Ubuntu 9.10?
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 14:07 -0800, Bryan Karlan wrote: > I want to try 2.29 to see what it has improved upon. I have little > experience with Linux. I have Ubuntu 9.10. I have downloaded the > file and have extracted it. However, I find no install or setup file > as you would in Windows. I still can't understand why in Linux such > simple things are made so darn complicated. How can I figure this > program out if I can't even figure out how to install it? Hi Bryan. I see you've received some responses; they are all correct although some are perhaps more strident than is strictly necessary. Although reading between the lines might give you all this already, I wanted to clarify a few things that might help you and serve as an introduction to free/open source software and GNU/Linux in particular. In many FOSS projects, including all of the Gnome desktop environment projects (like Evolution), the release numbering works like this: even-numbered releases, like Evolution 2.28, 2.30, 2.32, etc. are considered stable and are provided by distributions like Ubuntu in an already-compiled, ready-to-run format through the package manager (either Applications -> Ubuntu Software Center or System -> Synaptic Package Manager or whatever). Since you have Ubuntu 9.10, you already have the latest released stable version of Evo, which is currently 2.28. Gnome, and hence Evolution which is one part of Gnome, adhere to a 6-month release cycle (March and September) so the next stable version of Evo, 2.30, will be out in March 2010, and it will be packaged and ready for your use in the next release of Ubuntu, which will be available in April 2010 (Ubuntu _also_ has a 6 month release cycle, in April and October--nice how that works out :-)). Right now, development is proceeding on that next release, and code is flying around the internet in greater or lesser degrees of stability and completeness. All Gnome projects use a convention where odd-numbered releases, like 2.27, 2.29, 2.31, etc. are *developer* releases: they are newer than the previous stable releases, but not as new as the next stable release. These releases are not intended for general consumption by average users... these releases are *source code only*, not already-built and packaged applications. As someone mentioned, this would be like Microsoft giving you access to the currently-in-development source code for IE 9 or whatever, and letting you build it and install it yourself. They don't, but in FOSS we always do make it available. That doesn't mean you have to take advantage though :-) It is very rare that a distribution like Ubuntu will package a developer version like 2.29, especially at this early stage. Next Feb/March or so, Ubuntu will start distributing alpha and beta releases of what will become Ubuntu 10.04 in April: those development releases will, in turn, usually have development releases of Gnome (and Evolution) already built. Although I doubt this is what you really want, there ARE not-ridiculously painful ways to compile the latest development versions of Evolution yourself. I really doubt this is what you want to do but if you do, let me know and I'll give you some help. Please remember that what you get will be pre-pre-pre-alpha quality software, with no warranty etc. The build I can help you with, but you may very well not be that happy with the reliability of the result. Cheers, and welcome to open source! ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] yet another newb question
> Sorry to jump into someone elses thread, but this reminds me of a > feature request. > > I'd like a "paste as plain text" option for Evolution. > > SHIFT-CTRL-V. I end up pasting into a text editor first and then > recopy & paste to remove Evolutions crazy formatting. > > BTW, this helps somewhat with the above question but does not create a > table. I agree. I often have a text editor running, which I paste into, then copy from, then paste that into Evolution, just to strip all formating out of text. A "paste as plain text" could be good for HTML mails, but for plain text emails (under Format -> Plain text) - and this is what I send 99% of the time - in my opinion for plain text mails, Evo should only ever do "paste as plain text". What's the use of a formatted paste into a plain text mail? A possibly related bug report (this is for checkboxes, but HTML text fields, buttons, text areas, all do the same thing): https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554392 John: If it's a small bit of text, you can paste into/cut from the mail's CC or BCC field, that does a similar thing, and it's usually slightly less effort than using a text editor for small snippets of text, but it's still a workaround. -- All the best, Nick. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
