[Evolution] Trying to configure evo-mapi
Hi guys, I am trying to use the mapi connector from mbarnes.fedorapeople.org. I am outside my corporate firewall, and that may be the problem, but I have tunnelled in and think all routes are sent via the tunnel - certainly I can 'traceroute' to the server in ms. Anyway, I get no response - just a 'password' prompt repeated ad infinitum. I have looked with wireshark, and there are precisely 3 packets associated with starting evolution: pptp echo-request from me pptp echo-reply from my pptp server pptp > 45291 [ACK] Seq=177 Ack=221 Win=64891 Len=0 TSV=18258429 And that's it. Is this waiting for a reply? Somehow I would have expected evolution to send SOMETHING when I enter a password but it doesn't. Any ideas? Thanks, Bill -- Scanned by iCritical. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evaluating Evolution- some basic questions [about the forced hyphens in signatures]
I assume that Nick is right about a bug introduced in 2.24.3, and hope it gets fixed, but I hope it is fixed to correct the feature, not remove it. I can live with people not trimming their quotes, but why do I have to get all of those repeated signatures and list tags? There are a lot of things that annoy me about Outlook style quoting, the aforementioned, the pseudo-header delimiting the quote, and the lack of symbols (such as >) to indicate quoted material. Please do not make Evo more Outlook-like. It is bad enough that I have to use the stupid mail client on ths phone. At least I can use a sane client on my work desktop. -- Art Alexion MIS/Central Office Support Resources for Human Development - Original Message - From: evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org To: evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Sun Feb 22 21:11:39 2009 Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evaluating Evolution- some basic questions [about the forced hyphens in signatures] > Second, note the one hyphen in my signature above the longer series > below? I can't get rid of that "hovering hyphen." I've edited my > signature, of course, but that hovering hyphen doesn't appear there. > How can I get rid of that? I hate the force-inserted hyphens too. I am forever manually deleting them from the my work signature, and I find them endlessly annoying. It's MY signature, and *I* will decide what goes into it. For a public mailing list, two dashes and RFC compliance are fine, but for work emails they look stupid, out-of-place, and unprofessional, and they must die; that and the mentality that says "it's okay to force things onto people they hate". Hint: The road to success starts by helping people do things they want to do better, not by forcing them to do the things you want them to do. The wontfixed bug for this is: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551470 Also, in Evo 2.22.3.1, I used to get two hyphens + a space "-- ", and I upgraded my main desktop to Evo 2.24.3 on Friday, and now I seem to get a dash and two spaces "- ". Technically, I suppose this is a bug, since it entirely negates the purpose of forcing the dashes onto people, but since I fundamentally disagree with the feature in the first place, now I just find it poetic: Evo tries to forces people to have two dashes in their signatures, and yet gets it wrong, thus achieving the worst of all possible worlds: preaching RFCs whilst being RFC non-compliant, and being I-know-better-than-you arrogant whilst being outright wrong. Sorry if I sound bitter about this, but the feature annoys me, yet the arrogant mentality of forcing it into people's signatures annoys me even more, so I can't help but see in karmic justice in the feature not working correctly :-) -- All the best, Nick. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo 2.24.3 bug list, by personal priority.
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 16:09 +1100, Nick Jenkins wrote: > Hi all, > > A few weeks ago, I read how on this list how someone (maybe poc?) used > to post their list of Evolution bugs that annoyed them, with their bug > numbers / bugzilla links. It wasn't me, at least not in any systematic way. I do recall posting a short list of "favourites" not long ago. > Having just upgraded to Evolution 2.24.3, and having tested where > possible to confirm that bugs I'm watching are still present, I thought > it may be worth repeating this for bugs that annoy me. 2.24.4 has been out for a few weeks now, but I suspect pretty much all of these are still present. > [...] > there is no P3; As in "There is No Rule 6"? [...] > Your comments, including agreements of support from people also > affected / disagreements against where something seems like a bad idea, > links to dupes, etc, are all welcome. I see most of the list is related to calendaring, tasks etc. I only use Evo as a mailer, so I won't comment on these. > * Bug 554392 - Evolution: Can copy/paste HTML checkboxes into plain text > emails, and cannot undo this. (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554392 True, a definite bug. > * Bug 550769 - Evolution: When deleting folders, move these to the > trash, instead of deleting irreversibly. (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550769 The BZ comments pretty much sum it up. IMAP doesn't support marking a folder for deletion. The fact that some MUAs such as Outlook or Kmail do this moving the folder to Trash is presumably a consequence of them using an actual Trash folder. Asking Evo to do this is to break its deletion model, which is aligned with IMAP's (even for non-IMAP folders), and IMHO having it behave differently depending on whether the folder is on an IMAP server or not would be confusing to the user. Given that folder deletion always asks for confirmation, I don't see this as a problem that needs fixing. > * Bug 551470 - Evolution: do not insert "-- " (dash dash space) at the > start of signatures. (Evolution) [Marked as WONTFIX, but as mentioned > previously cannot agree with this resolution] > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551470 We'll just have to agree to disagree about this one. > * Bug 558037 - Evolution: Accept semicolons, as well as commas, as > email-address separators in the "TO" address field. (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558037 It doesn't help your argument to say you have no idea what an RFC has to do with it, under the general principle of "be strict in what you send, be flexible in what you accept". Not a point of honour however. > * Bug 200683 - Evolution: Spell check does not spell check an email's > subject line (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200683 Never even noticed this (I almost never use spell-check anyway). How would this work with replies? You probably don't want the Subject of a reply to be changed, at least not automatically. > * Bug 551464 - Evolution: Make copy/paste of files into draft Evolution > emails insert attachments, not the file path as text. (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551464 OK, though I'd put this under P5. > * Bug 565403 - Evolution: Do not bold folder when subfolder with unread > messages is already expanded. (Evolution) [marked as probabledupe, but > have not been able to find dupe as yet] > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=565403 I'd actually like an alternative view that showed only folders with unread content. Thunderbird 3 has this and it's convenient. > * Bug 554663 - Ctrl-s as shortcut to "save draft" rather than > ctrl-shift-s (Evolution) [needs more community feedback - would changing > to standard shortcut keys be accepted by user base?] > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554663 No strong feelings on this. > * Bug 550773 - Evolution: Do not scroll to end of Draft messages when > opened. (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550773 The main thrust of your argument is that this is inconvenient when using Outlook-style quoting, so you can guess my opinion ... Ironically, the default "put the cursor at the beginning when replying" is something that irritates me (I think it encourages top-posting) and I've asked to be made optional. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469292#c18 > * Bug 558477 - Evolution: "From" email address IMAP Header corruption > (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558477 I've never seen this. > * Bug 207580 - No Ability to check one individual pop mailbox > (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207580 This is a long-standing request (not just for POP of course). I agree. > * Bug 231099 - Add an outlook personal folder (PST) importer. > (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231099 No feelings about this as I never receive PST attachments and if I do I can presu
Re: [Evolution] Evo 2.24.3 bug list, by personal priority.
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 16:09 +1100, Nick Jenkins wrote: > Hi all, > > A few weeks ago, I read how on this list how someone (maybe poc?) used > to post their list of Evolution bugs that annoyed them, with their bug > numbers / bugzilla links. I think you're thinking of me. I think this is useful although I did try to limit mine to my top 5-6 "really can't use this utility properly" bugs, and also to limit them to things which are really obviously bugs, and not just "I wish Evo would work differently", where other people may disagree. In my experience the more you add to your wishlist the less people feel inclined to read it all and work on it. However, it can't hurt! > * Bug 558363 - Evolution: Appointments reminder window lost on logout + > login (reminder data loss) (Evolution) > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558363 > * Bug 558493 - Evolution: Reminders for Appointments due when the > computer is turned off are lost / never shown. (Evolution) [not sure if > this still happens in 2.24, need to check] > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558493 I find these funny, because Evo used to work exactly like this. And, people complained because after a long absence, when they started Evo they would get hundreds of popup windows announcing reminders for meetings that were long past... it entailed a lot of hunting and clicking to locate and get rid of them all and really, what was the point? Those appointments were gone; it's not like you can get them back. So, bugs were filed and Evo was changed so that it no longer did this. People were happy. But I guess not everyone :-). I agree that a better fix to the original problem would have been to have a single window with a list of reminders so that it was easy to select and dismiss them in a group, rather than having individual popup windows for every reminder. > * Bug 551470 - Evolution: do not insert "-- " (dash dash space) at the > start of signatures. (Evolution) [Marked as WONTFIX, but as mentioned > previously cannot agree with this resolution] > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551470 Speaking in general, not about this bug in particular or even about Evolution, but a dismissive attitude towards RFCs will not get you very far with FOSS software. Microsoft refugees may find this shocking ;-), but standards trump personal preferences and "the user", _every time_. There is simply no contest at all. Standards are what make the entire ecosystem of FOSS possible--even the small and "silly" ones--and as such they create an extremely high barrier. It's no longer in the realm of personal preference. Comments like "Foisting a de-facto standard on users which clashes with their corporate culture, and which they cannot turn off [...], does not seem like a winning strategy for user-satisfaction & product-adoption to me." are simply not compelling to us. Of course we would like to see the software used as widely as possible, but we aren't selling it. More users doesn't mean any more money, and "corporate culture" is not important to us, as a concept. The reality is that there is a FOSS culture, which is standards-based and has a very long history (much longer than any corporate IT history), and meeting the needs of that culture is far more important to a free software package... because without that, you have no free software. That being said, obviously we're interested in usability enhancements, and of course all things being equal we want to enable people to use the software the way _they_ want to use it--that's what FOSS is all about. I'm just warning you that trying to argue that some aspect of Evolution, or any FOSS package, should be changed to violate an RFC just because that's how it's done in "corporate culture", will not make a winning argument. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Problems with Linux Version
Using Evolution 2.24.3 in Ubuntu. Several problems: 1. When I open Evolution, I get on the left side the folders I expect -- Inbox, Sent, etc. -- but I also get a series of blank folder icons that do nothing but take up space. There's about nine of them. I can't delete them, as far I as I can see. How can I address this problem? 2. In addition to my email, I have a USENET account set up for reading news. I can do everything I need, except create a new news message. When I click on New at the top of the screen, I get a screen that is identical to the screen I get when create a new e-mail message. I enter the name of the newsgroup into the To: field, but an error results -- it's likely looking for an e-mail address. How do I create a new news posting? Thanks for any help you can offer. -- -- Jeffrey Needle jeff.nee...@gmail.com ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Trying to configure evo-mapi
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 15:35 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote: > Dnia 2009-02-23, pon o godzinie 11:43 +0100, William John Murray pisze: > > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 10:34 +0100, Patryk Benderz wrote: > > > [cut] > > > >Any ideas? > > > only one: you should use Evolution packages from Rawhide. > > > > > Hi Patryk, > > I don't see it in rawhide. e.g.: > > http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/Packages/ > > Am I looking in the wrong place? > The place is fine. Take a deeper look. I found package called > evolution-2.25.91-1.fc11.i386.rpm which looks like beta before 2.26 > AFAIK Rawhide is unstable version of fedora. Since Matthew Barnes wrote > explicitly on his page http://mbarnes.fedorapeople.org/ , that his MAPI > packages "requires the Evolution packages from Rawhide", thus you > probably should use evo 2.25.something.minor. > Ach, I misunderstood. I tried to configure it from a rawhide machine, and that did not work. So then I went to F10 - which install but doesn'y run. But F10 plus 472MB from 'yum update evolution --enablerepo=rawhide' is working, at least at some level! Thank you very much, Bill -- Scanned by iCritical. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] About VADLO Search Engine
Oh no, my apologies!! Maya From: Patrick O'Callaghan To: evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:11:41 PM Subject: Re: [Evolution] About VADLO Search Engine On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 10:02 -0800, Maya Kennard wrote: > > Hi Group, > > > > I wanted to bring your attention to the new biology search engine > VADLO. Please don't. This list is for discussing the Evolution PIM software package. It has nothing to do with biology (apart from being used by humans). poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problems with Linux Version
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 09:07 -0800, Jeffrey Needle wrote: > Using Evolution 2.24.3 in Ubuntu. > > Several problems: > > 1. When I open Evolution, I get on the left side the folders I expect > -- Inbox, Sent, etc. -- but I also get a series of blank folder icons > that do nothing but take up space. There's about nine of them. I can't > delete them, as far I as I can see. How can I address this problem? Go put a "me-too" on launchpad bug #30: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/30 Looks like Ubuntu don't think they need to do a 2.24.4 release of evolution for Intrepid. b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problems with Linux Version
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:25:35 -0500 "Brian J. Murrell" wrote: > Go put a "me-too" on launchpad bug #30: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/30 > > Looks like Ubuntu don't think they need to do a 2.24.4 release of > evolution for Intrepid. Actually, no, this is not what Sebastien said. He said *he* is busy with Jaunty, but *anyone* wanting to help is welcome. For example, you. Please remember that we need, and welcome, contributors. Regards, signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Problems with Linux Version
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 12:55 -0600, hggdh wrote: > > Actually, no, this is not what Sebastien said. He said *he* is busy > with Jaunty, but *anyone* wanting to help is welcome. Yeah. The end result will be what, do you think? It seems so much effort these days always goes into the next release and not enough spent maintaining the current release -- the release most people have to deal with day-to-day. > For example, you. If only I had the time. I'm afraid I am no longer a young, single person who has loads of his own free time to hack away at code. I did a lot of that in back in those days, but those days are gone for me now and I have too many other real-life demands and responsibilities to have much time to hack any more. > Please remember that we need, and welcome, > contributors. Yeah, I know and understand -- and I did a fair share of that kind of contributing when I was able to -- unfortunately for Ubuntu this was way before its' time. I'm afraid I just don't have the bandwidth to contribute like that any more. As it is, I already spend way too much of my time lately filing bugs on evolution (and it seems all-too-many other applications) and testing and filing, and testing and filing, etc. b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] How to scroll one full page in message list view
Hallo, When clicking an area outside the scroll bar in the message list view, the display only moves by half a page or so, making it difficult at times to follow, if the list is very big, like a large newsgroup. How can I configure evolution or gtk or gnome to scroll one full page? Thank you in advance for hints. thomas ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evo 2.24.3 bug list, by personal priority.
I want to thank you all for your great responses and feedback - even where you firmly told me that you disagreed with me, I do appreciate it. I'll keep the responses brief, and group them into one message to keep it simpler. > I did try to limit mine to my top 5-6 "really can't use this utility > properly" bugs, and also to limit them to things which are really > obviously bugs, and not just "I wish Evo would work differently", > where other people may disagree. In my experience the more you add to > your wishlist the less people feel inclined to read it all and work on > it. My apologies, I will try to keep it briefer if I do it again. > > * Bug 558363 - Evolution: Appointments reminder window lost on > > logout + login (reminder data loss) (Evolution) > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558363 > > * Bug 558493 - Evolution: Reminders for Appointments due when the > > computer is turned off are lost / never shown. (Evolution) [not sure > > if this still happens in 2.24, need to check] > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558493 > > I find these funny, because Evo used to work exactly like this. Oh no! Sorry, I didn't know that. > And, people complained because after a long absence, when they started > Evo they would get hundreds of popup windows announcing reminders for > meetings that were long past... it entailed a lot of hunting and > clicking to locate and get rid of them all and really, what was the > point? Those appointments were gone; it's not like you can get them > back. Okay, I'm probably using my calendar a bit differently. I tend to calendar things for myself that I'm planning to do (e.g. work on project A on Tuesday, do company taxes on Wednesday, etc). Suppose I get the project A work done, but some bit of hardware dies and needs replacing on Wednesday, so I don't get the taxes done. In that case, I want the taxes reminder to still appear on Thursday, because I'll reschedule it for later. Also, I'll set far-away reminders for events I need to prepare something for - for example, a family member's birthday, where I know that person is very hard to buy present for, so I'll give myself a week and half's notice on the reminder, and I want the reminder to persist until I dismiss it, because it's doing something useful by constantly reminding me that I need to get a present for that person. Of course some events do have a fixed date and very short reminders, but they're quick and easy to dismiss. > So, bugs were filed and Evo was changed so that it no longer did > this. People were happy. But I guess not everyone :-). > > I agree that a better fix to the original problem would have been to > have a single window with a list of reminders so that it was easy to > select and dismiss them in a group, rather than having individual > popup windows for every reminder. And that is the solution that we will have for Evo 2.26 (I think) where some reminders can be dismissed (or you can go dismiss all). Here's a screenshot: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=121962&action=view (I.e. now has "dismiss" vs "dismiss all" buttons). The resolved bug for that is here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558354 That allows getting rid of everything very quickly (just click "dismiss all" and you're done), or selectively keep some and not others (highlight those you don't want, click "dismiss") ... so given that we'll soon have this, with a single window with granularity on what reminders can be dismissed, I personally would like to see reminders persist and only go away when they are explicitly dismissed by the user. > a dismissive attitude towards RFCs will not get you very > far with FOSS software. Microsoft refugees may find this > shocking ;-), but standards trump personal preferences and "the user", > _every time_. There is simply no contest at all. Standards are what > make the entire ecosystem of FOSS possible--even the small and "silly" > ones--and as such they create an extremely high barrier. It's no > longer in the realm of personal preference. I'm a little bit wary here, as I don't want to get into an extended debate, and I think we largely agree anyway. In general, I am extremely pro-RFCs. I am 100% pro RFCs where they are invisible to the user (e.g. SMTP RFCs, HTTP headers, etc). RFCs about infrastructure rock. I am also pro de-facto standards for public Internet communications, such as on mailing lists, such as having the "-- " separator to assist with removing long signatures. But for private internal corporate communications, it looks out of place, and it's trying to solve a problem that nobody wants solved (total number of times that a boss / colleague / customer has ever said "gee, I wish people would use DASH DASH SPACE before their signatures" or anything like it, in 15 years: Zero). Furthermore, to quote the RFC itself, from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3676.txt , section 4.3: > There is a long-standing convention in Usenet news whic
[Evolution] how to configure http proxy to forward mail
Dear All, Our company blocked 25 port. So I need to send mail by http proxy. How can I configure Evolution to use proxy to forward mail? Any advice is mostly appreciated. Thanks. Daniel ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] seeking dual boot evolution config "example"
I would like to use Evolution from both Ubuntu Hardy and from Win-XP in a dual boot situation. Has anyone done this config and know how to make things work so that there is one, shared copy of email and folders and setting etc? If I can't have exactly one copy of files that is shared, has someone worked out how to rsync or similar a minimal set of items so that it feels as if there is one copy? Thanks, ~~~ 0;-D ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to configure http proxy to forward mail
In Evolution 2.24.x, you can do this by configuring Proxy settings in Edit->Preferences->Network Preferences. Or Evolution also obeys system proxy settings. - Regards, Prasad On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 10:55 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: > Dear All, > Our company blocked 25 port. So I need to send mail by http proxy. > How can I configure Evolution to use proxy to forward mail? > > Any advice is mostly appreciated. Thanks. > > Daniel > > > ___ > Evolution-list mailing list > Evolution-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] how to configure http proxy to forward mail
On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 23:52 -0700, Prasad Kandepu wrote: > In Evolution 2.24.x, you can do this by configuring Proxy settings in > Edit->Preferences->Network Preferences. Or Evolution also obeys system > proxy settings. Humm... I'm using 2.24.3. I have set both NM and Network Preferences in Evolution. And it seems still doesn't work. Did I miss something? Thanks in advance. Daniel > - > Regards, > Prasad > > > On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 10:55 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: > > Dear All, > > Our company blocked 25 port. So I need to send mail by http proxy. > > How can I configure Evolution to use proxy to forward mail? > > > > Any advice is mostly appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Daniel > > > > > > ___ > > Evolution-list mailing list > > Evolution-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
