Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode

[Dean . Webber]

Might want to check through Calc with the dark mode improvements. Seem to lose 
the ability to display highlighting or cell backgrounds... Be nice if this UI 
improvement is able to fix this. Dark mode is handled poorly, but I assuming 
these issues are only in UBUNTU based Linux Distributions and in Linux Mint.

Otherwise Ill be having a dig into this a little later.


From: Bidouille 
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2021 6:13 PM
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Subject: Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode


Hello alone,

For the reccord, old issue with Linux distro:
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbz.apache.org%2Fooo%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D80636&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C934e403e5d6c473abf3008d94cd7cf08%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637625312093039378%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jFPjQdbd4fBumK76oGjwoyKGA17soyxAg8v9rVRo3bA%3D&reserved=0

- Mail original -
> De: "Matthias Seidel" 
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Mardi 20 Juillet 2021 13:37:05
> Objet: Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode
>
> Hi all,
>
> It seems Windows 11 will also have dark mode as default:
>
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.windowscentral.com%2Fwindows-11-will-enable-dark-mode-default-more-pcs&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C934e403e5d6c473abf3008d94cd7cf08%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637625312093049371%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=9wpzaQrQXpD8U3tMyeeSYmlg9ytN%2FijZP%2FvE0vZ6Hzc%3D&reserved=0
>
> So, starting to work on a new icon set would be great!
>
> Regards,
>
>Matthias
>
> Am 13.06.21 um 09:51 schrieb Dean.Webber:
> > Yes, best to avoid Google content if possible..
> > 
> > From: Pedro Lino 
> > Sent: Monday, 31 May 2021 5:42 AM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode
> >
> > Hi Andrea
> >
> > Thank you for the links. FontAwesome requires a paid license to
> > have access to the SVGs so I guess that excludes it.
> > Personally I would avoid using something from Google so my choice
> > would be Remixicon. But I think we need to check which one has the
> > most complete set. Maybe we need a combination of both themes.
> >
> > Grazie mille!
> > Pedro
> >
> >> On 05/30/2021 8:51 AM Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> >>> Pedro Lino wrote:
> > On 05/29/2021 9:32 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fremixicon.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C934e403e5d6c473abf3008d94cd7cf08%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637625312093049371%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=8PTueM6VRzlOH2lh34W5HN8pzmz52vANbf9kMjvr6IQ%3D&reserved=0
>  This one is really interesting! Can you share the links to other
>  projects that you have found?
> >>> FontAwesome
> >>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffontawesome.com%2Flicense%2Ffree&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C934e403e5d6c473abf3008d94cd7cf08%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637625312093049371%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=JvIrtQsLMhgPXzkxWM5Y7Z5dwF%2BSFb6PsyMNIuwkQ5o%3D&reserved=0
> >>> is really popular and
> >>> CC-BY (but recent versions include a "Pro" section that may have
> >>> different terms).
> >>>
> >>> Google's Material Design Icons ... are
> >>> AL2, come in different styles and, although the set is already
> >>> quite
> >>> comprehensive, are extended by community projects.
> >> I copy-pasted the same link twice... the correct link to Google's
> >> Material Design Icons is
> >> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffonts.google.com%2Ficons&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C934e403e5d6c473abf3008d94cd7cf08%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637625312093049371%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HtIZ1LOOmF8ehi2m%2F9Si8fm7EMLMrwr6mcyF2%2BEnQk8%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>Andrea.
> >>
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RE: Display error with Linux-Mint Dark Themes

[Dean Webber]

Dear Developers, there are issues with text being printed over older text when 
using any Mint-Y-Dark theme in Apache OpenOffice 4.1.7 AOO417m1(Build:9800) - 
Rev. 46059c91922019-08-20 10:05 - Linux x86_64. I have raised the issue with 
the developer of these dark themes. What toolkit do you use for your UI for the 
boxes where you enter text, ie font, picture ratios, filesavename.
https://i.postimg.cc/9XN4hsrG/Screenshot-001.png
https://i.postimg.cc/QCsrG8cX/Screenshot-002.png

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RE: Display error with Linux-Mint Dark Themes

[Dean Webber]

Dear Developers, there are issues with text being printed over older text when 
using any Mint-Y-Dark theme in Apache OpenOffice 4.1.7 AOO417m1(Build:9800) - 
Rev. 46059c91922019-08-20 10:05 - Linux x86_64. I have raised the issue with 
the developer of these dark themes. What toolkit do you use for your UI for the 
boxes where you enter text, ie font, picture ratios, filesavename.
https://i.postimg.cc/9XN4hsrG/Screenshot-001.png
https://i.postimg.cc/QCsrG8cX/Screenshot-002.png

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RE: Display error with Linux-Mint Dark Themes

[Dean Webber]

I am about to try 
"Apache_OpenOffice_4.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US_2020-04-14_11:56:16_ab2e0b2a92768c4da99be34cc25ea23943fa0cd1.tar.gz"
 from https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/.

I have also noted that the links on https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ 
are broken and need updating, for example under Linux64 Install Packages the 
link points to 
"https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_OpenOffice_4.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US_2020-04-12_19:52:30_908555e7caa42b818d17d267f2e6c74f6e084f5b.tar.gz";
 which gives "No Such Resource File not found." Link should be 
"https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/Apache_OpenOffice_4.5.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US_2020-04-14_11%3A56%3A16_ab2e0b2a92768c4da99be34cc25ea23943fa0cd1.tar.gz";
 for the updated 04-14 version.

Have just removed OpenOffice 4.1.7 and replaced with OpenOffice 4.5.0 
"AOO450m1(Build:9900) - Rev. ab2e0b2a92 2020-04-14_11:56:16 - Rev. 
ab2e0b2a92768c4da99be34cc25ea23943fa0cd1"

This has not corrected this issue. See https://ibb.co/nbFDjJW and 
https://ibb.co/BjpcVw1 for examples.

Issue is resolved with change of theme to non-dark style. See 
https://ibb.co/gTrnpd6.

Will see if this issue can be resolved for Linux Mint users through the creator 
of Mint-Y themes.

Output of lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: LinuxMint
Description:Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia
Release:19.3
Codename:   tricia

Kind Regards,
Dean

From: Peter Kovacs [leg...@posteo.de]
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 5:46 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dean Webber
Subject: Re: Display error with Linux-Mint Dark Themes

Linux build is at default set on GTK. We do not package an own GTK
build. Release Build is CentOS7, Our build bots use a newer Ubuntu.

I am not sure if we have a 4.1.8 test build ready, I only see 4.1.2. But
you can try if the Issue resolves with the unstable test build 4.5.0. [1]

Or maybe Mechtilde can link her Debian builds, they are based on Debian 9.

Maybe that fixes the Issue without to much fuzz.


[1] https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#linux64

Am 15.04.20 um 04:09 schrieb Dean Webber:
> Dear Developers, there are issues with text being printed over older text 
> when using any Mint-Y-Dark theme in Apache OpenOffice 4.1.7 
> AOO417m1(Build:9800) - Rev. 46059c91922019-08-20 10:05 - Linux x86_64. I have 
> raised the issue with the developer of these dark themes. What toolkit do you 
> use for your UI for the boxes where you enter text, ie font, picture ratios, 
> filesavename.
> https://i.postimg.cc/9XN4hsrG/Screenshot-001.png
> https://i.postimg.cc/QCsrG8cX/Screenshot-002.png
>
> Thanks.
>
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Regarding Bug in Calc when formatting graphs

[Dean Webber]

Trying to complete graphs of sine waves. Due to the changing of the x scale, 
when formatting the x axis, wavelength scale is set to 1 second.

This occurs whenever entering the graph format dialogue, where the "Major 
Interval" is set to one, graph then shows no useful visual information.

See attached sheet.

Thanks
User

From: Matthias Seidel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:02 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: macOS and AOO42X

Hi Pedro,

Am 09.05.20 um 23:15 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi all
>
>
>> On May 7, 2020 7:46 PM Matthias Seidel  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My local Windows build was successful. All issues with language files 
>> are solved now.
>> Time to do an official Dev2! ;-)
>>
> It is working perfectly (4 ever) ;)

To be honest, there are still enough issues to fix... But I thought it
would be time for a little bit of fun! ;-)

https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about.png

BTW: If you ever come to Hamburg you get a free beer, too!

>
> Any chance you (Jim) can share a regular test build of branch 4.2 for Linux 
> x64 (after the official Dev2)?

That's up to Jim. Our buildbots produce builds, but they are on Ubuntu...

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>



A2 - Sin Waves Untitled 7 2.ods
Description: A2 - Sin Waves Untitled 7 2.ods

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Fw: Regarding Bug in Calc when formatting graphs

[Dean Webber]

When pasting sine graph into writer then the graph is incorrect as "Star Object 
Descriptor (XML)" but looks great as an GDI METAFILE object, perhaps should be 
default?

Cheers and happy ladies day.


A2 - Sin Waves Untitled 7 2.ods
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Fw: Regarding Bug in Writer pasting star shaped graphs

[Dean Webber]

See for graph as GDI METAFILE.

https://imgur.com/wnK8HMI.png

[https://imgur.com/wnK8HMI.png]
And as Star Object - https://imgur.com/xzFTpGk.png
Weird huh?[https://imgur.com/xzFTpGk.png]

From: Dean Webber 
Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2020 10:29 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Fw: Regarding Bug in Calc when formatting graphs

When pasting sine graph into writer then the graph is incorrect as "Star Object 
Descriptor (XML)" but looks great as an GDI METAFILE object, perhaps should be 
default?

Cheers and happy ladies day.


A2 - Sin Waves Untitled 7 2.ods
Description: A2 - Sin Waves Untitled 7 2.ods

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Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

[Dean Webber]

Dear all,

I can read a book written in German, but I cannot understand it. AOO does not 
seem to understand many docx, especially those with formulae. The files I use 
on a day-to-day basis need to have margins adjusted to 'fit' the pages, 
formulaes added and generally pictures too.

I think Microsoft does this on purpose.

>"reads all current file types of major competitors."

It may read it, but it does not always understand it.

Kind Regards,
Dean


From: Pedro Lino 
Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2020 9:33 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

Hi Rory, all

> On May 24, 2020 8:20 AM Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>
> Best to rephrase: reads most file types of major competitors.
>
> I say "most" to allow for occasional inabilities to read some .docx and 
> perhaps others not yet developed.

Since you are (and correctly so) referring to file types, I would change to

"reads all current file types of major competitors."

The fact that it does not read one particular .docx file does not mean that it 
does not support reading the .docx file type.

As for the discussion of Saving to OOXML format, personally I prefer 
OpenOffice's approach: if you can not do it right then don't do it.
Other office suites try to save in OOXML but because it is an ever changing 
proprietary format, the files are not quite the same and many times I have 
witnessed lost of data and/or lost of formatting (which means lost of time and 
lost of users)

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

[Dean Webber]

More emphasis should be placed on the fact that OO is a full feature suite 
committed to the Open Document Format.

This OASIS standard is an important feature of all libre/open source/commons 
suites going forward, and puts immense pressure on the older style (microsoft) 
native formats, which is more about subscription based closed systems, rather 
than the ideals and freedoms this type of software supports.

So greater emphasis on the use/default/commitment to Open Document and the role 
it has (to provide a common format available to all users) would be great to 
see 🙂

Apologies if this has already been discussed during this thread.

Re: AOO Product page - ambiguous wording?

[Dean Webber]

Regarding PDF's.

>> PDF is not an editable format and it is not from any of the "major 
>> competitor" suites. In any case you can open PDF files in OpenOffice. Just 
>> install the PDF Import extension.
>>
>
> Yes PDF is an editable format, you just need to have a PDF editor. The
> fact is that user@ is full of people complaining that AOO will not open
> there PDF files.

>Yes, PDF can be edited.

Open any PDF in OO Draw and it is clear they can be edited to a very high 
degree.
So the above statement is very correct.

As far as the various import extensions, they are sometimes far less successful 
at reading PDFs. As an aside, if whatever reads pdf for draw could be simply 
implemented in OOWriter this would be a nice feature. But as it stands PDF 
compatability with the suite is "okay enough".

>Regards,
>Dave


>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
>>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Dean . Webber]

Hi everyone, glad to be here. I am going to jump right in with my intentions 
and to share some things.

During the course of this year, I hope to find a solution to UI issues under 
Linux with regards to Mint-Y- themes and various other themes under other 
Linux distributions. This UI issue makes the program hard to use where entering 
data into text areas (character, pictures, save, calc etc) (more detail 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=106&t=104563)

I tried to email direct from the list at 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers 
but it seems this list may require update 🙂

My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed or 
updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ and Reddit communities.

It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use LO, 
recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.

It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so perhaps 
a x64 edition of AOO?

What I would ultimately like to see, is any serious bugs ironed out that 
prevent widespread adoption of AOO, I only know of the UI bug, and to see AOO 
4.2.0 included as the main Office Suite in Linux Distributions. <- Because AOO 
is awesome, as are the contributors and volunteers 🙂 👍

My background, Mechanical Engineering student from New Zealand. I will try to 
install AOO on various Linux Distributions and check the themes for UI issues.

Sorry to jump right in without getting a 'feel' for what's happening at the 
moment in this dev-list. Keep up the great work on your projects everyone 🙂 🙏 🙂

All the best.

Re: Introduction and online presence

[Dean . Webber]

>
> It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so 
> perhaps a x64 edition of AOO?

> Microsoft
> stops the OEM 32 bit sale, but will provide support to existing 32bit
> installs.

WHERE did you get this? Do you work for Microsoft? Or did you not understand 
the statement of Dean at all?

Why Are Most Programs Still 32-bit on a 64-bit Version of Windows? 
(howtogeek.com)
 <- July 2017
Windows support of third party 32bit applications into the future - Microsoft 
Community
 <-  October 2020

Microsoft will eventually be dropping support for 32-bit applications, but due 
to the large number on current programs only available this will not be 
happening in the immediate future. Microsoft are yet to comment officially on 
when this will occur, but (seem to) have made indications this will be the 
case. At this stage, newer versions of window releases will require 64 bit 
hardware, but they will continue to support older 32 bit systems. AOO will have 
to migrate to a 64-bit Windows version eventually... But working on upgrading 
the SDK is the priority at this stage 🙂( "However I think it is more important 
that we upgrade the SDK first. The One we use is ancient." -Peter Kovacs)


> And that does not include the 32bit support in 64 bit
> environment. So there is no risk to be feared. And if someone writes
> that it is not true. I recommend that he should wonder what happens to
> his steam collection, since most games are still 32 bit. ;)

Stop formulating personal attacks here, against the opinions of others!

It is clear that MS will continue to support 32-bit applications for sometime, 
and yes I am curious what this means for everyone's Steam collection 😉 
Ultimately the source of my original post was someone not technically inclined 
thinking MS would be dropping support in the near future for 32-bit programs, 
which as we should all agree is not the case in the immediate future. It was 
mostly "purely emotional" of the original forum user in their response, and I 
agree that "It is difficult to argue with them". I will try to gently educate 
the users that it is not of concern (at this stage) and to stay calm 😉 AOO will 
be 64bit at some stage 🙂🙂

- Dean


From: Jörg Schmidt 
Sent: Thursday, 25 February 2021 10:19 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: RE: Introduction and online presence



> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:pe...@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:22 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; 2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz
> Subject: Re: Introduction and online presence

> My main concern is that some people believe that AOO is not being developed 
> or updated, clearly this is not the case. I would like to point some of the 
> volunteers in marketing, user support/assistance and business management to 
> engage in forums and online communities to show that AOO is still being 
> developed. Specifically, I am referring to 
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C17ba4fca739844e25fd708d8d96e6f58%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637498415656542844%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=eoXyKXh6P3FkL7E9G6NBvB7Rnn5A6bVKkrHfqoURfhE%3D&reserved=0
>  and Reddit communities.
Some people say that OpenOffice is dead for 10 years now. IMHO this
discussion is purely emotional. It is difficult to argue with them.

This dicussioin is NOT emotional, but Abbold of our insufficient public 
relations.
It is clear that you, as a PMC member, are trying to deny this, because the PMC 
has for years been completely inadequate in its responsibility in this regard 
and reacts attacked when it is criticized.


>
> It seems that the moderators of the forum point users with issues to use LO, 
> recently to someone with a small issue such as installing the 
> desktop-integration RPM component of AOO on Red Hat Linux.
>
> It also seems that MS might be dropping support for 32-bit programs, so 
> perhaps a x64 edition of AOO?

> Microsoft
> stops the OEM 32 bit sale, but will provide support to existing 32bit
> installs.

WHERE did you get this? Do you work for Microsoft? Or did you not understand 
the statement of Dean at all?


> And that does not include the 32bit support in 64 bit
> environment. So there is no risk to be feared. And if someone writes
> that it is not true. I recommend that he should wonder what happens to
> his steam collection, since most games are still 32 bit. ;)

Stop formulating personal attacks here, against the opinions of others!




Jörg

Re: What happens if you save a Calc file as Microsoft Excel 2003 XML (.xml) in Windows

[Dean . Webber]

Hi Everyone,

What happens if you 'save as' any basic calc file as "Microsoft Excel 2003 XML 
(.xml)" when using AOO in Windows. Does it crash?

Are the XML filters not installed by default? If not, they should be.

Source; OpenOffice on Windows 7 with Java (View topic) • Apache OpenOffice 
Community 
Forum

It is fine on my system - LMDE 4 Debbie using AOO 4.5.0, and "OpenJDK 11.0.9.1" 
(java-11-openjdk-amd64)

Thanks 🙂

Re: Colour Printing

[Dean . Webber]

This issue has been resolved by generating a new user profile, as described 
from 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Handling_the_OpenOffice.org_User_Profile

From: Michael Rooney 
Sent: Friday, 26 February 2021 8:29 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Colour Printing

Good afternoon:

I have an issue that I hope you can help me with. It is as follows:

1) I am operating on *Windows 10*. I only use *Open Office 4.1.5*. My
computer is a home computer (Lenovo). I do not have MS Office and have for
several years happily used only Open Office for all my document preparation
needs.

2) When I *receive* colour documents I am able to print them in colour. I
am also able to print pictures in colour.

3) However, when I attempt to print* colour *documents that *I create
*utilizing
Open Office 4.1.5 they will only print in black and white even though I
instruct the printer to print the document in colour.

My printer is  *EPSON ET-2720* (Driver type: Type 3 - User Mode; Driver
version: 2.60.1.0) . I contacted Epson technical support and after running
a series of tests they advised me that the problem does not rest with my
Epson printer but must be a glitch in the Open Office programme and
suggested that I contact Open Office to have it resolved. Hence, I am
writing to you.

I am not very computer savvy and so I hope that you can help me to resolve
this issue as I am at a total loss. Many thanks.

Warm regards,

Michael

RESOLVED: OpenOfffice does not work with HP 8035 printer

[Dean . Webber]

The issue for Red has been resolved by using AOO 4.1.9 to create new Avery 
(blank and custom printed labels) templates. The original templates that were 
created with AOO 3.2.0 would not print with his HP 8035 printer.

"I have been trying to print old text and LABEL files, made by the old version 
of OO (V.3.2.0).  They would not print, as told previously."

"Today,  I created a new LABEL sheet, using only the 4.1.9 new Avery templates; 
these new versions do print as they should."

Original Message:
From: red 
Sent: Monday, 8 March 2021 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: OpenOfffice does not work with HP 8035 printer


Thanks for your response.  BTDT.  Resetting the user profile has been 
suggested, and I did that several times before.
See UPDATE at the bottom, here.


Previous Open Office was V.3.2.0, which was fine with both my old Windows XP 
Home and the new Windows 10 Pro.  OO v.4.9.1 was running well here for months, 
until the new HP printer was needed.  Then Open Office would not print on the 
new printer.  All other programs that I have can print on the new HP-8035e.  HP 
tech support says my printer installation, drivers, spooler, et c. are all good.

I have never reset the User profile before in OO.  I did not delete the old 
user profile.  I just re-named the User folder, so I could go back to it if 
necessary.  The program created a new User folder, as expected, and the printer 
immediately printed the first file I tried with OO, but only *once,* and now I 
am back to "no printing" there.  I tried making a new User profile again, 
twice, and got nothing out of the printer either time.  The "one-print" success 
in OO with the first new User profile makes me believe there is a strange 
glitch here.

Any file I try to print with OO can be seen going to the printer (via the 
Progress bar), and the printer icon at the bottom of the screen reports "one 
file pending" for a few seconds, then "zero files pending" for the printer, but 
no printing happens.


Replacing my original User folder did not help; Since I still have the same 
problem, using the new User folder, I am curious how that may help.  Both the 
new and old User folders would seem to have the same "errors," if the problem 
really starts there.  The old User folder was created by V. 3.2.0 and the new 
User folder was created by 4.9.1 and both have the same issue, no printing.


UPDATE:  I deleted a lot of personal stuff from the User folder files, made a 
new User folder, and re-installed the printer and drivers.  Somewhere along the 
line, I grabbed a common text file, not made by OO, and it printed as it 
should.  That is new & exciting!  ;-)  It has not done that before!  Now I have 
realized an answer, maybe a good one.  I have been trying to print old text and 
LABEL files, made by the old version of OO.  They would not print, as told 
previously.  Since these labels are an important part of my printer usage, I 
have been reluctant to ditch them, but now I believe I will have to do that.  
Today,  I created a new LABEL sheet, using only the 4.9.1 new Avery templates; 
these new versions do print as they should.  I will be busy with Cut & Paste 
when I need my older labels, making the new versions on new templates, but my 
printing problem seems to be solved now.  Some rabbit holes just have too many 
branching paths, and I went down a lot of them.


Thank you for your time and attention, for this glitch.  I had suspected the 
problem was simple, but elusive.  Since the new OO version could put the files 
on the screen, I thought it would be able to print them.  One too many 
assumptions, here.  Anyway, thanks again.


Cheers,
Red

Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

[Dean . Webber]

I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."

Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' for some 
time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on something for a 
tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain important information.

🙂

From: Dave Fisher 
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS



> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcus,
>
> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
 I don't understand the question. We just have 1 offering for Mac
 users... so what kind of hint text would we need?
>>
>> the same for Windows. But we also a suitable text for Mac users.
>> So, what is important for these users?
>
> Maybe someone who monitors the forum can answer best?
>
> I have the impression that users are hesitating to download/install AOO
> on macOS (esp. Big Sur) because they don't know if it will work. Of
> course, you and me would just try out, but we are no "ordinary" users.

They also hesitate after download due to the gatekeeper issue.

Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip.

Note for Windows the Important Hint could be prefixed with "Use 32 bit for 64 
bit windows”.

For macOS the important button could be: “Works on BigSur and M1 chips. Bypass 
the Gatekeeper - See Q05” with a link to 
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.openoffice.org%2Fen%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D89283&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=hIMQNVAg8fJVlK0TESupcUaIvkS840CzkgUice7b6j8%3D&reserved=0

Regards,
Dave

>
> Regards,
>
>Matthias
>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Matthias Seidel
>  wrote:
>
> Really no mac user interested?!
>
> Am 05.03.21 um 20:58 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 10.01.21 um 19:12 schrieb Marcus:
>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C5d83114959874206d81908d8e27402fa%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637508335204756913%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=kmch6AbqtpbW7DcFAMSy7nBr5Ip9uMQIUZgmFJMeRAY%3D&reserved=0
>>>
>>> We have now a hint text for Linux "RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?"
>>> and
>>> Windows "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?".
>>>
>>> (Yes, not that beautiful. But this is work in progress and a
>>> topic in
>>> a different thread. :-) )
>>>
>>> Now it's the question what do we want to tell our Mac users when
>>> they
>>> want to download their favorit AOO version.
>>>
>>> We need a nice title and more details in mouse-over text.
>> after the release of 4.1.9 is now done, I would like to take the
>> chance for asking if there are any suggestions.
>>
>>
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Re: Minor amendment to F1 help or formatting windows

[Dean . Webber]

Good day all,

When someone has a spare moment could these minor amendments be published into 
the help for Writer, or could the "Area" tabs be renamed to "Background".

Details;

Index - Watermarks

Defining Graphics or Colors in the Background of Pages (Watermark)
1. Choose Format - Page.
2. On the Background tab page, select a background color or a background 
graphic.

- This should read, on the "Area" tab page, or the area tab should be renamed 
"Background"

Index - Background

Background
Set the background color or graphic.
You can specify the background for paragraphs, pages, headers, footers, text 
frames, tables, table cells, sections, and indexes.

To access this command...
Choose Format - Paragraph - Background tab
- This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
"Background"
Choose Format - Character - Background tab
- This is correct as displayed
Choose Format - Picture - Background tab
- This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
"Background"
Choose Format - Frame/Object - Background tab
- This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
"Background"
Choose Format - Page - Background tab
- This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
"Background"
Choose Format - Page - Header - More button
- This should read, on the "Format - Page - Header - More button - Area" tab, 
or the area tab should be renamed "Background"
Choose Format - Page - Footer - More button
- This should read, on the "Format - Page - Header - More button - Area" tab, 
or the area tab should be renamed "Background"
Choose Format - Styles and Formatting - open context menu of an entry and 
choose Modify/New - Background tab
- This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
"Background"
Choose Insert/Edit - Section - Background tab
- This is correct as displayed

Same Modification in the various other background help pages. Probably easier 
for someone to do the editing rather than me list all the known occurrences? If 
someone has knowledge of how to edit, I am happy to communicate with them and 
find as many occurrences of Background instead of Area as I can :)

** Perhaps it would be easier to modify the naming convention for the tab from 
Area to Background, and more obvious to users...

I found this when attempting to apply a "Watermark" to the draft document via 
OpenOffice. At current there seems to be no feature for this, but have instead 
used a graphic available from the forum, and applied as a background graphic. 
Watermarks would be a nice feature to have in a future release of AOO, but am 
content for now 🙂

Have a nice day all,
Dean

Re: Minor amendment to F1 help or formatting windows

[Dean . Webber]

My bad, am using Apache OpenOffice 4.5.0 (AOO450m1 Build:9900 Rev:facded3995) 
it an ASF Buildbot realease, Linux.

I am planning to purchase additional hardware in the future, and will be using 
the 4.1.9 or 4.2.0 builds on those machines for testing purposes. This should 
align better with the same release you are all using, but for now this 'daily 
driver' machine is using 4.5.0.


From: Matthias Seidel
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 8:26 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Minor amendment to F1 help or formatting windows

Hi Dean,

Am 14.03.21 um 20:15 schrieb Dean.Webber:
> Good day all,
>
> When someone has a spare moment could these minor amendments be published 
> into the help for Writer, or could the "Area" tabs be renamed to "Background".
>
> Details;
>
> Index - Watermarks
>
> Defining Graphics or Colors in the Background of Pages (Watermark)
> 1. Choose Format - Page.
> 2. On the Background tab page, select a background color or a background 
> graphic.
>
> - This should read, on the "Area" tab page, or the area tab should be renamed 
> "Background"
>
> Index - Background
>
> Background
> Set the background color or graphic.
> You can specify the background for paragraphs, pages, headers, footers, text 
> frames, tables, table cells, sections, and indexes.
>
> To access this command...
> Choose Format - Paragraph - Background tab
> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
> "Background"
> Choose Format - Character - Background tab
> - This is correct as displayed
> Choose Format - Picture - Background tab
> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
> "Background"
> Choose Format - Frame/Object - Background tab
> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
> "Background"
> Choose Format - Page - Background tab
> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
> "Background"
> Choose Format - Page - Header - More button
> - This should read, on the "Format - Page - Header - More button - Area" tab, 
> or the area tab should be renamed "Background"
> Choose Format - Page - Footer - More button
> - This should read, on the "Format - Page - Header - More button - Area" tab, 
> or the area tab should be renamed "Background"
> Choose Format - Styles and Formatting - open context menu of an entry and 
> choose Modify/New - Background tab
> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
> "Background"
> Choose Insert/Edit - Section - Background tab
> - This is correct as displayed
>
> Same Modification in the various other background help pages. Probably easier 
> for someone to do the editing rather than me list all the known occurrences? 
> If someone has knowledge of how to edit, I am happy to communicate with them 
> and find as many occurrences of Background instead of Area as I can :)
>
> ** Perhaps it would be easier to modify the naming convention for the tab 
> from Area to Background, and more obvious to users...
>
> I found this when attempting to apply a "Watermark" to the draft document via 
> OpenOffice. At current there seems to be no feature for this, but have 
> instead used a graphic available from the forum, and applied as a background 
> graphic. Watermarks would be a nice feature to have in a future release of 
> AOO, but am content for now 🙂

Which version did you test with?

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Have a nice day all,
> Dean
>

Re: Amendment to main/helpcontent2

[Dean . Webber]

Where does the help file come from, it seems to be here 
(/aoo-4.1.9/main/helpcontent2/source/text/) in 4.1.9...

Okay... Location is same in trunk (helpcontent2/source/text) ..

asf - Revision 1887653:

Looking in main/helpcontent2/source/text/swriter/guide/background.xhp

Line 55 - CORRECT

Line 67 - INCORRECT (requires updating)
On the Area tab page, select the background color or a 
background graphic.

Line 81 - CORRECT

--end--

Looking in main/helpcontent2/source/text/shared/guide/background.xhp

Line 55 - INCORRECT (requires updating)
 On the Area tab page, select a background color or a 
background graphic.

--end--

Cannot find origins of "Defining Graphics or Colors in the Background of Pages 
(Watermark)" - Also requires updating
The page "Defining Graphics or Colors in the Background of Pages (Watermark)" 
then links to "Background tab page"

Cannot find origins of "Background tab page" - Also requires updating 
referencing "Background" instead of "Area" under the "To access this command... 
" subheading.

:)

Conclusion: Some cases of "Background tab" needs to be updated to 
"Area tab" to be correct. Some of the format windows use "Area" 
instead of "Background", so the help documentation does not relate with the 
name of the tabs.

In my case, on my 4.5.0 version;
Paragraph uses "Area"
Page uses "Area"
Paragraph Style uses "Area"
Picture uses "Area"
Frame uses "Area"
Object uses "Area"
Character uses "Background"
Table uses "Background"

:)


From: Matthias Seidel
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 8:48 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Minor amendment to F1 help or formatting windows

Hi Dean,

Am 14.03.21 um 20:34 schrieb Dean.Webber:
> My bad, am using Apache OpenOffice 4.5.0 (AOO450m1 Build:9900 Rev:facded3995) 
> it an ASF Buildbot realease, Linux.
>
> I am planning to purchase additional hardware in the future, and will be 
> using the 4.1.9 or 4.2.0 builds on those machines for testing purposes. This 
> should align better with the same release you are all using, but for now this 
> 'daily driver' machine is using 4.5.0.

I just tested with AOO 4.5.0 on Windows 10 (en-US) and the tab is called
"Area" as described in the help file.

Note: There has been a change between 4.1.X and 4.5.0(trunk)/4.2.0.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> 
> From: Matthias Seidel
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 8:26 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Minor amendment to F1 help or formatting windows
>
> Hi Dean,
>
> Am 14.03.21 um 20:15 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>> Good day all,
>>
>> When someone has a spare moment could these minor amendments be published 
>> into the help for Writer, or could the "Area" tabs be renamed to 
>> "Background".
>>
>> Details;
>>
>> Index - Watermarks
>>
>> Defining Graphics or Colors in the Background of Pages (Watermark)
>> 1. Choose Format - Page.
>> 2. On the Background tab page, select a background color or a background 
>> graphic.
>>
>> - This should read, on the "Area" tab page, or the area tab should be 
>> renamed "Background"
>>
>> Index - Background
>>
>> Background
>> Set the background color or graphic.
>> You can specify the background for paragraphs, pages, headers, footers, text 
>> frames, tables, table cells, sections, and indexes.
>>
>> To access this command...
>> Choose Format - Paragraph - Background tab
>> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
>> "Background"
>> Choose Format - Character - Background tab
>> - This is correct as displayed
>> Choose Format - Picture - Background tab
>> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
>> "Background"
>> Choose Format - Frame/Object - Background tab
>> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
>> "Background"
>> Choose Format - Page - Background tab
>> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
>> "Background"
>> Choose Format - Page - Header - More button
>> - This should read, on the "Format - Page - Header - More button - Area" 
>> tab, or the area tab should be renamed "Background"
>> Choose Format - Page - Footer - More button
>> - This should read, on the "Format - Page - Header - More button - Area" 
>> tab, or the area tab should be renamed "Background"
>> Choose Format - Styles and Formatting - open context menu of an entry and 
>> choose Modify/New - Background tab
>> - This should read, on the "Area" tab, or the area tab should be renamed 
>> "Background"
>> Choose Insert/Edit - Section - Background tab
>> - This is correct as displayed
>>
>> Same Modification in the various other background help pages. Probably 
>> easier for someone to do the editing rather than me list all the known 
>> occurrences? If someone has knowledge of how to edit, I am happy to 
>> communicate with them and find as many occurrences of Background instead of 
>> Area as I can :)
>>
>> ** Perhaps it would be easier to modify the 

Re: open offce formattin problems since upgrading to version march28 2021

[Dean . Webber]

Hi Tom,

These icons can be added by clicking on the down arrow at the end of the 
appropriate toolbar > Visible Buttons

ie; Table > Visible Buttons > Merge Cells and also Formatting > Visible Buttons 
> Font Color

Alternatively, you could reset your user profile from the guide here 
(https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Handling_the_OpenOffice.org_User_Profile)
 but just re-enabling the buttons should be easiest for you.

Kind Regards



From: Tom Coyne 
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2021 6:12 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: open offce formattin problems since upgrading to version march28 2021

missing icons:
 colors, print colors and merge cells

Can i return to the previous version which wasproblem free.

Please respond totomcoyn...@gmail.com

Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

[Dean . Webber]

Much better.

Any chance to add install instructions for the Linux, not been around enough 
distros to know the difference between the various installs. Seems to be a 
barrier for some people to use AOO instead of the default office suite.

The method I use on a new install is;
sudo apt-get remove --purge libreoffice*
sudo apt-get clean
sudo apt-get autoremove
cd en-GB/DEBS
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
cd desktop-integration
sudo dpkg -i *.deb

Something like that, actually think I do;
cd en-GB/DEBS
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
sudo dpkg -i desktop-integration/*.deb

Would be helpful, since OpenOffice (does not seem to be or) is not the Software 
Center (on Linux Mint)

Thanks for the update that points to 
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/platform_hints.html now I do 
no longer have to think about deb vs rpm.


From: Marcus 
Sent: Monday, 5 April 2021 12:52 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS

I've changed the visualization of the platform hints:

https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fopenoffice-org.staged.apache.org%2Fdownload%2Findex.html&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=7vUcLlfNZkJqPRd2QG5VXN2w%2BXyiwDC0bpW7WvK8es4%3D&reserved=0

Please have a look and tell me if this is better than the previous
"tooltip over the colored button" solution.

PS:
The text for macOS is still missing. Maybe time to define it?

Thanks

Marcus



Am 15.03.21 um 18:24 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Am 15.03.21 um 14:47 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> Maybe on the download page have something like "Universal binary: Intel and 
>> Silicon/M1"
>
> That would be a bit misleading since we don't have a "Universal Binary"
> [1] yet, we now have a binary for Intel that runs on ARM via Rosetta 2 [2].
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
> [1] 
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUniversal_binary%23Universal_2&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=PBgX4nSyZzN4LMlWh8f%2BLMb8ZylHRlAsD1rZFViHgWU%3D&reserved=0
>
> [2] 
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRosetta_&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf855544745ed4cf9283b08d8f76896d8%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637531375906771683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DU5IkQhs9Ap5DX%2FwaikgzgNS7qAs5N%2FEQPJv0yoLR%2Bg%3D&reserved=0(software)#Rosetta_2
>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus, all,
>>>
>>> These are the mails I am talking of... ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>  Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
>>>
>>> Betreff:Mac Mini M1 Chip
>>> Datum:  Sat, 13 Mar 2021 13:25:30 -0500
>>> Von:David Stuhr  
>>> 
>>> Antwort an: us...@openoffice.apache.org 
>>> An: us...@openoffice.apache.org 
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does Open Office 4.1.9 for the Mac work with the new Mac Mini M1 Chip?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 13.03.21 um 01:24 schrieb Marcus:
 Am 09.03.21 um 01:52 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 08.03.21 um 23:00 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>> I agree with "Maybe we need something more obvious than a tool tip."
>>
>> Have been clicking on 'Important hint: RPM vs. DEB = What to choose?' 
>> for some time, without any result. It is usually not obvious to hover on 
>> something for a tool tip, and probably should not be used to contain 
>> important information.
> OK, then I suggest to first agree on a text and then decide on how to 
> display it to the users.
 really no suggestions? I remeber that we had some discussions about what 
 to tell the users in past threads.

 Marcus



>> 
>> From: Dave Fisher  
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 9:51 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org  
>>  
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Platform hint text for macOS
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Matthias Seidel 
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>
>>> Am 08.03.21 um 19:29 schrieb Marcus:
 Am 08.03.21 um 15:56 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 08.03.21 um 15:49 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>> I don't understa

Re: AOO 4.1.10-RC1

[Dean . Webber]

Thanks. I have some testing for Linux UI I would like to complete over the next 
two weeks. I will use this 4.1.10 for these purposes.

From: Carl Marcum 
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2021 11:42 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: AOO 4.1.10-RC1

Hi Jim,

This time to the list :)

On 4/13/21 5:27 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> I deem it is time for us to push through with a 4.1.10 release of AOO. I am 
> proposing a AOO 4.1.10-RC1 release sometime over the next week. I am 
> currently building macOS and Linux 64/32 tests (RC1s) for HEAD of AOO41X
> -
>
That's great Thanks!
Carl

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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

[Dean . Webber]

Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the system and offers the 
download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/latest/download

Does this run from user-agent-string
https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/what-is-my-user-agent

Common user-agent-string (April 14 21)
https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

:)

From: Dave Fisher 
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:55 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>
> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website in 
>> the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the correct 
>> download?
>
> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
>
> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?

It seems like an alternative download page.

Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard

>
>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities that 
>> will be given by the future change of the CMS.
>
> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further changes 
> or moves.

A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
markdown with embedded html.

If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.

Regards,
Dave

>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

[Dean . Webber]

I got a 404 error for that link, was that expected?
https://www.openoffice.org/downloads/index.html

From: Dave Fisher 
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 8:11 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?

I think he’s talking about a new version of OpenOffice.org/downloads/index.html

That already does detect the os. There’s a big JavaScript object with a bunch 
of data.

Use your browser developer tools to see how it works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> Do you mean like the sourceforge page, that detects the system and offers 
> the download
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fopenofficeorg.mirror%2Ffiles%2Flatest%2Fdownload&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ayzw9oMuSKRSEWiBGs2TuuABpNg%2Fth7hXssZGwwVAZ8%3D&reserved=0
>
> Does this run from user-agent-string
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatismybrowser.com%2Fdetect%2Fwhat-is-my-user-agent&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=21mOAMZ8GqZFn6lzjME6rBju6y8ECKx07QL8L7Cn%2BaY%3D&reserved=0
>
> Common user-agent-string (April 14 21)
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechblog.willshouse.com%2F2012%2F01%2F03%2Fmost-common-user-agents%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C425d421d5ffe43ae59df08d8ff817a9e%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637540278879052770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FzZ67UF7P0kNzszgRrdP%2BuO%2BMZqQQeOnjJGvPII99Z8%3D&reserved=0
>
> :)
> 
> From: Dave Fisher 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2021 7:55 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: Integrate download wizard into website?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Marcus  wrote:
>>
>> Am 14.04.21 um 21:27 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>> I've been experiencing steady small improvements to the download 
>>> explanations (on the Download-Site) for the last few months.
>>> Does anyone see the possibility to offer a parallel wizard on the website 
>>> in the future, which guides step by step through the selection of the 
>>> correct download?
>>
>> I've no idea what you mean, so I'm just asking:
>>
>> What do you mean with website? What do you mean with wizard?
>
> It seems like an alternative download page.
>
> Jorg could create a test page like download-wizard
>
>>
>>> This question does not refer to today's but rather to the possibilities 
>>> that will be given by the future change of the CMS.
>>
>> Just FYI. The CMS was already changed, so there won't be any further changes 
>> or moves.
>
> A wizard could be html using the existing JavaScript. Or it could be jBake 
> markdown with embedded html.
>
> If in the end it is better then we can consider a switch.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.10-RC2 as GA

[Dean . Webber]

[] no, regarding the claws-mail, it produces error in MX 19.4 and Linux 20.1

otherwise, it seems stable, but I have not testing for any other of the changes

From: Jim Jagielski 
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 8:15 AM
To: dev 
Subject: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.10-RC2 as GA

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community builds 
of
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10-RC2 as GA.

These artifacts can be found at:

  
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdist.apache.org%2Frepos%2Fdist%2Fdev%2Fopenoffice%2F4.1.10-RC2%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C3072954d1ccc49a415bf08d90826ed1b%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%7C637549785566046229%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=r1WdzUfJVHuWEp2gIgMbaQfC%2Bo71xF5RIqhrk2nENrw%3D&reserved=0

Please cast your vote:

The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:

[ ] yes / +1

[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

[ ] binding (member of PMC)

[ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]

[ ] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]

This vote will be open for the normal 72hrs.
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Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10-RC2

[Dean . Webber]

Not detecting claws-mail on Linux Mint 20.1 nor in MX_19.4

Error; OpenOffice 4.1.10 "OpenOffice was unable to find a working e-mail 
configuration. Please save this document locally instead and attach it from 
within your e-mail client."

[cid:e2bc38eb-f122-40ec-b620-907f62c8a919]

is it referenced as "claws-mail" in a case sensitive manner,  not 
"Claws-mail""Claws-Mail" ect?

🙂


From: Matthias Seidel
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 10:33 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10-RC2

Hi Francis,

Am 22.04.21 um 18:00 schrieb fjcc:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:33:26 +0200
> Matthias Seidel  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Could someone on Linux with Claws Mail installed please test against
>> this issue:
>>
>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=94346
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>> Am 20.04.21 um 20:31 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> Before we call a vote, I'd like to ask as many people as possible
>>> to give the 2nd release candidate of AOO 4.1.10 a good, solid test.
>>>
>>> The source files and complimentary community builds for this RC can
>>> be found at:
>>>
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.10-RC2/
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> -
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>>>
>>>
> Hi Matthias,
>  I tried to test Claws Mail with the 4.1.10-RC2 build. I left a comment
>  in Bugzilla. I was able to send mail but the behavior was different
>  than what I see with Thunderbird. AOO waits for Claws to be closed and
>  that is not the case with Thunderbird. I may not have done everything
>  correctly.

Thanks for testing!

So basically it detects Claws now...

Maybe we need to add some option in the script to start Claws detached?

Matthias

>
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Re: Testing for UI faults of 4.1.10-RC2 on common linux systems

[Dean . Webber]

Hi Team,

I am on break and attempting to test the release candidate on multiple linux 
systems. I have seen UI problems in the past, and am beginning to think it is 
Ubuntu specific, but that is a very early theory. Basically I want to do a 
comprehensive test, to ensure that the root cause is identified and eliminated.

Thus far have only tested on Linux Mint 20.1 Mate and MX 19.4 XFCE and Fluxbox.

MX 19.4 is based on Debian, and looks awesome, no problems. Going to focus my 
testing on the various Ubuntu based systems, and see if they have the same 
issue. Linux Mint is faulty, which is a shame being a common (guessing) Linux 
distribution.

This is the UI issue in LM 20.1 MATE using any of the 33 'Mint-Y' themes (which 
is the system default 🙁)
[cid:f220940a-1bc5-4296-a0eb-056b9832b14a][cid:11a203a7-f3b1-42af-8ab9-80499180a0f6][cid:629e9a0c-7480-42af-b185-7dc3f7b4ddd7]
[cid:2c75ecda-8aa7-40f9-bfd6-aec8a05df048]

It does not occur with the Mint-X themes, as shown below;

[cid:5c145731-6fcf-4b3c-be10-99d3c5871d98]
[cid:7a8bf14c-e57f-4071-bfc4-552a17016987]

This is very early days, and is a WIP.

😉

Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10-RC2

[Dean . Webber]

Thanks and yes, no voting for me i do not count (thanks for the link, read 
before but i should be more careful)

To be more clear. File - Send - Document as email (or any of the other email 
options) results in the error (because i didnt first set my email client in the 
settings) "Error; OpenOffice 4.1.10 "OpenOffice was unable to find a working 
e-mail configuration. Please save this document locally instead and attach it 
from within your e-mail client." which can be seen here https://ibb.co/TKzxQC7

Okay. So I had a look at line 338 and all was fine.
turns out you have to go tools > options > internet > e-mail and set to 
"claws-mail" before you can even use the send to email feature...
then the document gets "sent" to the email client 🙂

then (since I just made an email for testing purposes) i wont be able to sent 
the email because of my smtp settings are wrong, or my email provider doesnt 
like what I have been doing
but for testing purposes it seems fine enough...

but while 'claws-mail' is open my AOO is locked and I cant do anything until i 
close it, i guess AOO is running the 'claws-mail' instance?
is that expected behavior??
it seems that Francis C. Costero saw the same thing happen on bugzilla

// I could then send a message with the current document attached but AOO waits 
for the Claws program to be closed before it can be used.


why do i need to tell AOO what my mail client is? cant it just call the system 
default (at least until you point it somewhere else) ? can we use something 
like "xdg-open mailto://"; ?

anyways, thats off topic. claws-mail works fine as intended (as far as i can 
tell), provided you tell AOO about it first 🙂 it does lockdown the AOO while 
'claws-mail' windows are open though.



From: Matthias Seidel
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 7:34 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10-RC2


Hi Dean,


Am 26.04.21 um 08:56 schrieb Dean.Webber:
Not detecting claws-mail on Linux Mint 20.1 nor in MX_19.4
Thanks for testing! How did you reference it? Name or full path?

Error; OpenOffice 4.1.10 "OpenOffice was unable to find a working e-mail 
configuration. Please save this document locally instead and attach it from 
within your e-mail client."

[cid:e2bc38eb-f122-40ec-b620-907f62c8a919]
Attachments don't come through on mailing lists.

is it referenced as "claws-mail" in a case sensitive manner,  not 
"Claws-mail""Claws-Mail" ect?

Maybe... You could change the script yourself to test further, it is in the AOO 
program directory.


Regards,

   Matthias


P.S.: You may want to read https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

🙂


From: Matthias Seidel
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 10:33 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10-RC2

Hi Francis,

Am 22.04.21 um 18:00 schrieb fjcc:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:33:26 +0200
> Matthias Seidel 
>  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Could someone on Linux with Claws Mail installed please test against
>> this issue:
>>
>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=94346
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>Matthias
>>
>> Am 20.04.21 um 20:31 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> Before we call a vote, I'd like to ask as many people as possible
>>> to give the 2nd release candidate of AOO 4.1.10 a good, solid test.
>>>
>>> The source files and complimentary community builds for this RC can
>>> be found at:
>>>
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.10-RC2/
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> -
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: 
>>> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: 
>>> dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
>>>
>>>
> Hi Matthias,
>  I tried to test Claws Mail with the 4.1.10-RC2 build. I left a comment
>  in Bugzilla. I was able to send mail but the behavior was different
>  than what I see with Thunderbird. AOO waits for Claws to be closed and
>  that is not the case with Thunderbird. I may not have done everything
>  correctly.

Thanks for testing!

So basically it detects Claws now...

Maybe we need to add some option in the script to start Claws detached?

Matthias

>
> Francis
>
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Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.10-RC2 as GA

[Dean . Webber]

please disregard my last email, i did not realise i had to tell AOO what my 
email client was...

From: Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz>
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 6:51 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.10-RC2 as GA

[] no, regarding the claws-mail, it produces error in MX 19.4 and Linux 20.1

otherwise, it seems stable, but I have not testing for any other of the changes

From: Jim Jagielski 
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 8:15 AM
To: dev 
Subject: [VOTE] Release AOO 4.1.10-RC2 as GA

I am calling a VOTE on releasing the source and complimentary community builds 
of
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.10-RC2 as GA.

These artifacts can be found at:

  
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdist.apache.org%2Frepos%2Fdist%2Fdev%2Fopenoffice%2F4.1.10-RC2%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C3072954d1ccc49a415bf08d90826ed1b%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%7C637549785566046229%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=r1WdzUfJVHuWEp2gIgMbaQfC%2Bo71xF5RIqhrk2nENrw%3D&reserved=0

Please cast your vote:

The Release Candidate is good for production/GA:

[ ] yes / +1

[ ] no / -1

My vote is based on

[ ] binding (member of PMC)

[ ] I have built and tested the RC from source on platform [ ]

[ ] I have tested the binary RC on platform [ ]

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Re: Testing for UI faults of 4.1.10-RC2 on common linux systems

[Dean . Webber]

As attachments do not show in the mailing list;

https://ibb.co/f1XQvbW   Mint-Y (Faulty Default UI)
https://ibb.co/2vtdcXK   Mint-Y (Faulty Default UI)
https://ibb.co/r5bdLNg   Mint-Y (Faulty Default UI)
https://ibb.co/WKzTNSk   Mint-Y (Faulty Default UI)
https://ibb.co/Nr7Cddw   Mint-X (All Good)
https://ibb.co/1mgBbkg   Mint-X (All Good)
https://ibb.co/HtxJs4Z   Mint-Y-Dark (Faulty UI)
https://ibb.co/7GKK4ZQ   Mint-Y-Dark (Faulty UI)
https://ibb.co/kXNxKRG   Mint-Y-Dark (Faulty UI)
https://ibb.co/8840tJ9   Mint-Y-Dark (Faulty UI)

🙂

anyways only the start of having a look into the issue..


From: Dean.Webber
Sent: Monday, 26 April 2021 7:12 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Testing for UI faults of 4.1.10-RC2 on common linux systems

Hi Team,

I am on break and attempting to test the release candidate on multiple linux 
systems. I have seen UI problems in the past, and am beginning to think it is 
Ubuntu specific, but that is a very early theory. Basically I want to do a 
comprehensive test, to ensure that the root cause is identified and eliminated.

Thus far have only tested on Linux Mint 20.1 Mate and MX 19.4 XFCE and Fluxbox.

MX 19.4 is based on Debian, and looks awesome, no problems. Going to focus my 
testing on the various Ubuntu based systems, and see if they have the same 
issue. Linux Mint is faulty, which is a shame being a common (guessing) Linux 
distribution.

This is the UI issue in LM 20.1 MATE using any of the 33 'Mint-Y' themes (which 
is the system default 🙁)
[cid:f220940a-1bc5-4296-a0eb-056b9832b14a][cid:11a203a7-f3b1-42af-8ab9-80499180a0f6][cid:629e9a0c-7480-42af-b185-7dc3f7b4ddd7]
[cid:2c75ecda-8aa7-40f9-bfd6-aec8a05df048]

It does not occur with the Mint-X themes, as shown below;

[cid:5c145731-6fcf-4b3c-be10-99d3c5871d98]
[cid:7a8bf14c-e57f-4071-bfc4-552a17016987]

This is very early days, and is a WIP.

😉

Re: OOo:eo Localization page

[Dean . Webber]

Can not these pages then be converted to language using translate service?

Or is it possible to run the source page through a translation service, so the 
pages remain "updated" for ones that are not maintained.

Then ones that are maintained perhaps will not need this treatment, or perhaps 
if a good enough translation service is used, it could be done in all instances?

Perhaps instead of deleting them they could be turned off somehow, and perhaps 
just redirected to another page... or a translate service to translate into the 
right language.

I have just used Online site translation into English and other languages – 
Yandex.Translate and it quite happily 
translated Esperanto into English. See here (https://docdro.id/8VFffjK - 
Yandex.Translate - AOO Esperanto.pdf )

🙂




From: Marcus 
Sent: Saturday, 8 May 2021 10:16 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org ; François Coulmeau 

Cc: Emmanuelle Richard 
Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page

Am 07.05.21 um 22:39 schrieb François Coulmeau:
> As I could see in 
> "https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fprojects%2Fnative-lang.html&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C23f90fb51b234c5c426708d911a5d2fe%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637560226193122594%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ughYqFvGH9rQpi3x6r%2FtukrU8fFM1Nn9%2B3iSaEcJ%2BNI%3D&reserved=0";
> 
>  that help is
> wanted for Esperanto Website and that Esperanto OpenOffice availability
> is outdated, I went to page 
> "https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Feo%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C23f90fb51b234c5c426708d911a5d2fe%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637560226193122594%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=rvESlCUQMn2gj32F8YPZ2ntrJeCfzLF0cO%2FgQioMWJw%3D&reserved=0";.
>  But ...
>
> 1 - I was supposed to find a link somewhere on the left ("vidu la
> ligilojn maldekstre") that I cannot see (Would you like a screenshot?).
> The section « *Navigado:* en la kadro maldekstre troviĝas ligoj al paĝoj
> de la projekto esperantlingva » states a frame should be found on the
> left, but the text is full width;
>
> 2 - I tried the link "vidu la projekton Komputeko
> ",
>  that is broken ;
>
> 3 - I sent a message (via the last line: "Skribu al La Esperantiga Skipo
> "), that was returned (see the message below).
>
> Can we find someone at Apache to update the page? Or, better to
> "localize" (or "unlocalize", as Esperanto is used worldwide!) OpenOffice?
>
> Aren't esperantists to help updating the page and/or OOo:eo (they would
> need data from Apache)?

at the moment we are looking into webpages that are unmaintained and
therefore don't show an added value. These should be deleted. Esperanto
is one of them as it is lonely since years. So, I wanted to delete this
in the next days.

However, when you have real interest to get this up-to-date again, then
just give us a hint. We can help you with updating the information - but
not with translating the text.

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: OOo:eo Localization page

[Dean . Webber]

How many localization pages need to be translated? How many pages are 'not 
maintained'?

Depending on the extend of the pages, we can adopt a translate service (which 
will have some cost attached). For example to translate 100 pages of similar 
character length using the yandex translate api will cost $5.00/month (assuming 
USD).

Otherwise perhaps a list of these pages can be left for those that are new 
recruits, or looking for something to do. So, if they chose too, they can spend 
some time working on localizations or translations. They can then use a 
translate service (for free) to convert from the sources to the localization 
language.

This may result in poor quality translation, but enough for people to get the 
general idea, and a good starting point for native language speakers to modify 
pages.

But honestly, I have no idea of the scale of the localization pages.

Else;

Some of you out there with big brains can have a look into the available 
machine learning programs for language translation...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_machine_translation_applications
Some of which... are very powerful 🙂

From: Marcus 
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2021 6:16 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page

Am 10.05.21 um 05:46 schrieb Dean.Webber:
> Can not these pages then be converted to language using translate service?
>
> [...]

the effort would be much too high.
It' not only Esperanto. We then have to do this for every language that
is a bit unmaintained which would be 2 dozends. And there are still
languages we don't offer yet at least as an entry website. Another 3
dozens more I would guess.

So, who should do this work? ;-)

Esperanto is still there:
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Feo%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C19720c7995254940a5e208d913dfc285%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637562674049152421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=BhLPGbJot2CX%2BDOviz3TkeReTr3UgxDocVGTjsMvR0Q%3D&reserved=0

If you want to help, feel free to give us a hint.

Marcus



> 
> From: Marcus 
> Sent: Saturday, 8 May 2021 10:16 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org ; François Coulmeau 
> 
> Cc: Emmanuelle Richard 
> Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page
>
> Am 07.05.21 um 22:39 schrieb François Coulmeau:
>> As I could see in 
>> "https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fprojects%2Fnative-lang.html&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C19720c7995254940a5e208d913dfc285%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637562674049152421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pJ%2Fzi6fJivtnkFPBPYrtdlNtfSivxyr0M6KQ8Tg4YKo%3D&reserved=0";
>> 
>>  that help is
>> wanted for Esperanto Website and that Esperanto OpenOffice availability
>> is outdated, I went to page 
>> "https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Feo%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C19720c7995254940a5e208d913dfc285%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637562674049157414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Le2W6lmXOMPcbVFm4PyTCdFCHKoB6lUlACKgxdNY%2B%2FM%3D&reserved=0";.
>>  But ...
>>
>> 1 - I was supposed to find a link somewhere on the left ("vidu la
>> ligilojn maldekstre") that I cannot see (Would you like a screenshot?).
>> The section « *Navigado:* en la kadro maldekstre troviĝas ligoj al paĝoj
>> de la projekto esperantlingva » states a frame should be found on the
>> left, but the text is full width;
>>
>> 2 - I tried the link "vidu la projekton Komputeko
>> ",
>>  that is broken ;
>>
>> 3 - I sent a message (via the last line: "Skribu al La Esperantiga Skipo
>> "), that was returned (see the message below).
>>
>> Can we find someone at Apache to update the page? Or, better to
>> "localize" (or "unlocalize", a

Re: OOo:eo Localization page

[Dean . Webber]

> How many localization pages need to be translated? How many pages are 'not 
> maintained'?

>the default set has ~40 pages. But I haven't counted the total amount of words 
>or sentences.

Link to the default set please, in english, are we talking 
https://www.openoffice.org

Perhaps, I can try to do the OOo:eo and see what happens?

Then for the rest, are we talking https://www.openoffice.org/xyz/ ?

Will this be done via Pootle, https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ or 
just through the localization mailing list.

Thanks,
Dean

From: Marcus 
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2021 11:07 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page

Am 11.05.21 um 00:18 schrieb Dean.Webber:
> How many localization pages need to be translated? How many pages are 'not 
> maintained'?

the default set has ~40 pages. But I haven't counted the total amount of
words or sentences.

> Depending on the extend of the pages, we can adopt a translate service (which 
> will have some cost attached). For example to translate 100 pages of similar 
> character length using the yandex translate api will cost $5.00/month 
> (assuming USD).

Hm, costs are always not a good argument. OpenOffice is made by
volunteers. The same should apply to the creation and maintenance of
webpages or documentation in general.

I don't know the quality of translated languages of Yandex or others.
But I know Google Translate and its quality is ... improvable. ;-)

> Otherwise perhaps a list of these pages can be left for those that are new 
> recruits, or looking for something to do. So, if they chose too, they can 
> spend some time working on localizations or translations. They can then use a 
> translate service (for free) to convert from the sources to the localization 
> language.
>
> This may result in poor quality translation, but enough for people to get the 
> general idea, and a good starting point for native language speakers to 
> modify pages.

As written previously the pages are unmaintained for years. There are no
volunteers that would take care of it. So, translating a part of it and
then others can do the remaining stuff will not come true.

Very seldom we get a mail that someone has seen a message like you can
see here in the red box [1]. We give them a few hints and how and where
to start with translation and then ... noting more. Thats all.

> But honestly, I have no idea of the scale of the localization pages.

The problem is that there is nobody who can take care of these pages.
The effort for a few or even one person is enormous. I mean the project
people. Volunteers of course would takeover only one language.

I don't want to be seen as carrier of bad news. However, the value-add
is very low as the very most pages are for languages that aren't really
widespread by its nature.

[1] 
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fast%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf44721a3d4fd46774bbf08d914086d03%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637562848714527198%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fT8dm2ekGZAYKjrWjN69%2FA37IL1MuFpkvbcR2umIeOw%3D&reserved=0

Marcus



> 
> From: Marcus 
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2021 6:16 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
> Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page
>
> Am 10.05.21 um 05:46 schrieb Dean.Webber:
>> Can not these pages then be converted to language using translate service?
>>
>> [...]
>
> the effort would be much too high.
> It' not only Esperanto. We then have to do this for every language that
> is a bit unmaintained which would be 2 dozends. And there are still
> languages we don't offer yet at least as an entry website. Another 3
> dozens more I would guess.
>
> So, who should do this work? ;-)
>
> Esperanto is still there:
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Feo%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf44721a3d4fd46774bbf08d914086d03%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637562848714532187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=mrxOb%2F4gLidto3O3aLkxUVzQGfai43tJ4BXMTheHm5c%3D&reserved=0
>
> If you want to help, feel free to give us a hint.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> 
>> From: Marcus 
>> Sent: Saturday, 8 May 2021 10:16 AM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org ; François Coulmeau 
>> 
>> Cc: Emmanuelle Richard 
>> Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page
>>
>> Am 07.05.21 um 22:39 schrieb François Coulmeau:
>>> As I could see in 
>>> "https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fprojects%2Fnative-lang.html&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cf44721a3d4fd46774bbf08d914086d03%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C0%7C637562848714532187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLC

Re: OOo:eo Localization page

[Dean . Webber]

I have updated the "main" page for the Esperanto (EO) language. The html code 
is available at https://justpaste.it/8yuud for upload.

The pages have mostly been translated using translate.yandex.com with help from 
en.bab.la/dictionary/english-esperanto/ for the remaining few.

This will still point to the english version of the downloads page, as the 
Esperanto version has been relocated for housekeeping purposes.

If someone could upload this, I can make sure that it looks as it should when 
sitting in the correct location.

As a final check I can translate it back to English, to ensure that the meaning 
has not changed significantly.


I was not sure how the language detection in the page operates, but I set the 
variable for language to "eo" on line 271, is that sufficient?
🙂

The original was based from the English (en-GB) version found from 
www.openoffice.org/?redirect=soft and 
clicking on "This site is also available in English (en-GB). Just click this 
text to get redirected.". The soft redirect message appears when changing from 
another language back to English.

From: Aivaras Stepukonis 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2021 1:23 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: OOo:eo Localization page

Thank for the link, Marcus!

Yes, as long as the visitors are informed they can help with
localization, keeping the website up to date by removing from sight the
bits that are unmaintained is an appropriate QA step.

Aivaras

2021-05-11 14:01, Marcus rašė:
> Am 11.05.21 um 11:35 schrieb Aivaras Stepukonis:
>> On the subject of unmaintained, untranslated local webpages.
>>
>> One should start with a simple set of criteria that allows to
>> determine what is/is not unmaintained. Something like:
>>
>> 1. incomplete page translation;
>> 2. outdated page layout/design.
>
> the criteria are summarized here:
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fprojects%2Fnative-lang.html&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C6379c6930f444b8bf8c008d9148007f2%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%7C637563362414144036%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=DEnEpvYDuzBAw0qhtWplPWqHwMSd8p56Btwk6S0bDXI%3D&reserved=0
>
>> Then one would archive the pages that fall under the above criteria.
>> The visitors coming from the locales of the unlocalized pages would
>> instead be directed to the main page with a message "If you can help
>> translating this page into your native language, let us know!"
>
> This is already done in a slightly different way:
> - Pages have English text
> - A big, red box with text similar to yours but just a bit more.
> - No redirection to the main page
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> 2021-05-11 02:07, Marcus rašė:
>>> Am 11.05.21 um 00:18 schrieb Dean.Webber:
 How many localization pages need to be translated? How many pages
 are 'not maintained'?
>>>
>>> the default set has ~40 pages. But I haven't counted the total
>>> amount of words or sentences.
>>>
 Depending on the extend of the pages, we can adopt a translate
 service (which will have some cost attached). For example to
 translate 100 pages of similar character length using the yandex
 translate api will cost $5.00/month (assuming USD).
>>>
>>> Hm, costs are always not a good argument. OpenOffice is made by
>>> volunteers. The same should apply to the creation and maintenance of
>>> webpages or documentation in general.
>>>
>>> I don't know the quality of translated languages of Yandex or
>>> others. But I know Google Translate and its quality is ...
>>> improvable. ;-)
>>>
 Otherwise perhaps a list of these pages can be left for those that
 are new recruits, or looking for something to do. So, if they chose
 too, they can spend some time working on localizations or
 translations. They can then use a translate service (for free) to
 convert from the sources to the localization language.

 This may result in poor quality translation, but enough for people
 to get the general idea, and a good starting point for native
 language speakers to modify pages.
>>>
>>> As written previously the pages are unmaintained for years. There
>>> are no volunteers that would take care of it. So, translating a part
>>> of it and then others can do the remaining stuff will not come true.
>>>
>>> Very seldom we get a mail that someone has seen a message like you
>>> can see here in the red box [1]. We give them a few hints and how
>>> and where to start with translation and then ... noting more. Thats
>>> all.
>>>
 But honestly, I have no idea of the scale of the localization pages.
>>>
>>> The problem is that there is nobody who can take care of these
>>> pages. The effort for a few or even one person is enormous. I mean
>>> the project people. Volunteers of course would takeover only one
>>> language.
>>>
>>> I don't w

Re: AOo 4.5.0 builds

[Dean . Webber]

Have you also installed the desktop-integration?

"Desktop integration.
Desktop integration for deb-based systems requires installation of one package.
Historically, for rpm based systems, OpenOffice has provided desktop 
integration packages for madriva, redhat, suse, and now freedesktop. These 
packages are located in the desktop-integrationsubdirectory of the install 
directory.
Many desktop window managers like KDE4, Gnome3, and Unity now adhere to the 
freedsktop.org standard for icon placement and mime-type definitions. For this 
reason, you may want to install the freedesktop desktop integration package 
first before trying the others."

Exerpt from https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html

You may want to purge LibreOffice from your system, to avoid any clashes. 
Myself, I really enjoy this step (love it actually!)

Run in terminal,

sudo apt-get -y remove --purge libreoffice*
sudo apt-get -y autoremove

I hope this helps :)

From: Delio Orozco Gonzalez 
Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2021 8:36 AM
To: dev 
Subject: Re: AOo 4.5.0 builds

Hi Mathias:

I installed so for Debian 10 of this way: sudo dpkg -i *.deb

Regards, Delio.

- Mensaje original -
De: "Matthias Seidel" 
Para: "dev" 
Enviados: Miércoles, 2 de Junio 2021 12:28:51
Asunto: Re: AOo 4.5.0 builds

Hi,

Am 02.06.21 um 04:47 schrieb Delio Orozco Gonzalez:
> Mathias and Rory:
>
> Bad news. AOO_4.5 works in Debian 10, but in Debian 9, when I run the 
> application, I receive an error message:
>
> No se puede iniciar la aplicación.
> exception occurred raising singleton 
> "/singletons/com.sun.star.deployment.ExtensionManager": loading component 
> library failed: file:///opt/openoffice4/program/../program/deployment.uno.so

How did you install?

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> Regards, Delio.
>
> - Mensaje original -
> De: "Matthias Seidel" 
> Para: "dev" 
> Enviados: Martes, 1 de Junio 2021 17:35:25
> Asunto: Re: AOo 4.5.0 builds
>
> Hi,
>
> Am 01.06.21 um 23:26 schrieb Delio Orozco Gonzalez:
>> Rory and Mathias:
>>
>> I made a new download and was able to unzip without problem. I was also able 
>> to install.
> Great!
>
> Hopefully in the next days there will be a new build available.
>
> We have some other buildbots blocking our machine. ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
>Matthias
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Delio.
>>
>> - Mensaje original -
>> De: "Rory O'Farrell" 
>> Para: "dev" 
>> Enviados: Martes, 1 de Junio 2021 14:01:09
>> Asunto: Re: AOo 4.5.0 builds
>>
>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 13:25:26 -0400 (CDT)
>> Delio Orozco Gonzalez  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Mathias and Rory:
>>>
>>> I unpack the file with "tar vxf" and in the process recieve the next error 
>>> messages:
>>>
>>> tar: Fin de fichero inesperado en el archivo
>>> tar: rmtlseek no paró en los límites de un registro
>>> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
>> If you get a file unpacking error, it is probably because of a bad download 
>> and it is unwise to install from that.  If tar cannot find the end of the 
>> archive, that strongly suggests the download is bad or incomplete.
>>
>> I will try an unpack on the 4.5.0 es version to check if it unpacks 
>> correctly or not.
>>
>> I have just unpacked my download, and it unpacked correctly.  Try a fresh 
>> download.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>> Then, when I trate install, this are the error messages:
>>>
>>> 1.-dpkg: error al procesar el archivo 
>>> openoffice-es-res_4.5.0_1_linux-4.15-x86_64.deb (--install): no se pudieron 
>>> copiar los datos extraídos de 
>>> './opt/openoffice4/program/resource/sdbtes.res' a 
>>> '/opt/openoffice4/program/resource/sdbtes.res.dpkg-new': fin de fichero o 
>>> de flujo inesperado
>>>
>>> 2.-dpkg: problemas de dependencias impiden la configuración de 
>>> openoffice-brand-es:  openoffice-brand-es depende de openoffice-es-res; sin 
>>> embargo: El paquete `openoffice-es-res' no está instalado.
>>>
>>> 3.-dpkg: problemas de dependencias impiden la configuración de 
>>> openoffice-brand-es:  openoffice-brand-es depende de openoffice-es-res; sin 
>>> embargo: El paquete `openoffice-es-res' no está instalado.
>>>
>>> 4.-dpkg: problemas de dependencias impiden la configuración de 
>>> openoffice-brand-es: openoffice-brand-es depende de openoffice-es-res; sin 
>>> embargo: El paquete `openoffice-es-res' no está instalado.
>>>
>>> Remember, I donwloaded the spanish vertion of  Apache_OpenOffice.4.5.0
>>>
>>> Regards for all, Delio.
>>>
>>> - Mensaje original -
>>> De: "Rory O'Farrell" 
>>> Para: "dev" 
>>> Enviados: Martes, 1 de Junio 2021 6:57:05
>>> Asunto: Re: AOo 4.5.0 builds
>>>
>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 18:41:24 -0400 (CDT)
>>> Delio Orozco Gonzalez  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Matias:

 I donwloaded from  
 https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fci.apache.org%2Fprojects%2Fopenoffice%2Finstall%2Flinux64%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7C8abf16abed624753264508d926062e3b%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%

Changing default rounding in Writer Tables

[Dean . Webber]

Dear Devs,

How hard would it be to change the default rounding in the tables to the 
entered value or similar. Or perhaps, can I change it to accept text as an 
entry by default (ie in settings)...

Just a little time consuming whenever I enter 895.714285 or similar into the 
table and have to change the rounding per cell. Otherwise, if it just thinks 
text as default this will be better (for my situation).

Like if I enter 895.714285, would it be hard for writer to be like "oh, wanting 
6 decimal places" instead of being "895.71"... Really bad when entering 0.8 
for example...

Thanks,
Dean

Re: Changing default rounding in Writer Tables

[Dean . Webber]

Thanks everyone. When I tried applying the format to the cells before entering 
any data, it was overwritten once I entered data. ie. Set cells x1,x2,x3 ect to 
text -> enter numbers -> then it reverts to number round to two dp. But yeah, I 
will be changing the default table in styles, great idea 🙂

We all use this powerful program for different uses, and I am very grateful 
both for your help, and for AOO itself.

😉

Had a quick look through the various styles, not sure which particular style is 
used for formatting, when editing the styles I could not find the "desired cell 
formatting" context. Probably in their somewhere, just pressed atm, will have a 
look in future.

Perhaps add into a future feature list somewhere? ie. if user inputs number 
string to 8 decimal places, then do nothing, unless set to something specific. 
IE. By default no rounding should occur when I insert a large numerical string, 
unless I specifically tell the cell I want it rounded to a specific value.

It would be better 🙂

From: Jörg Schmidt 
Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2021 7:13 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: RE: Changing default rounding in Writer Tables

> -Original Message-
> From: Dean.Webber [mailto:2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 2:07 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Changing default rounding in Writer Tables
>
> Dear Devs,
>
> How hard would it be to change the default rounding in the
> tables to the entered value or similar. Or perhaps, can I
> change it to accept text as an entry by default (ie in settings)...

You can change this as you wish by defining a standard document template for 
Calc
and adjusting the settings there.

(a)
In the menu: Format-->Styles and Formatting, select the cell template "Default" 
in
the appearing dialog and in the context menu of this template set the desired 
cell
formatting in the tab "Numbers".

(b)
Then call up the menu: File-Templates-Save and save the document as a template.

(c)
Finally call: File-Template-Organize, search for the newly saved template, 
create
the context menu and select the entry "Set as default Template".

Done.


From now on the cell format in all new documents will be as you just set it in
(a).


Jörg



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Re: Changing default rounding in Writer Tables

[Dean . Webber]

I suggest modification to the "format code" of " Number - General " to leave 
the number exactly as entered, as a simple fix. Good idea, yay nay?


From: Dean.Webber <2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz>
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2021 11:06 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Changing default rounding in Writer Tables

Thanks everyone. When I tried applying the format to the cells before entering 
any data, it was overwritten once I entered data. ie. Set cells x1,x2,x3 ect to 
text -> enter numbers -> then it reverts to number round to two dp. But yeah, I 
will be changing the default table in styles, great idea 🙂

We all use this powerful program for different uses, and I am very grateful 
both for your help, and for AOO itself.

😉

Had a quick look through the various styles, not sure which particular style is 
used for formatting, when editing the styles I could not find the "desired cell 
formatting" context. Probably in their somewhere, just pressed atm, will have a 
look in future.

Perhaps add into a future feature list somewhere? ie. if user inputs number 
string to 8 decimal places, then do nothing, unless set to something specific. 
IE. By default no rounding should occur when I insert a large numerical string, 
unless I specifically tell the cell I want it rounded to a specific value.

It would be better 🙂

From: Jörg Schmidt 
Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2021 7:13 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: RE: Changing default rounding in Writer Tables

> -Original Message-
> From: Dean.Webber [mailto:2018001...@student.sit.ac.nz]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 2:07 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Changing default rounding in Writer Tables
>
> Dear Devs,
>
> How hard would it be to change the default rounding in the
> tables to the entered value or similar. Or perhaps, can I
> change it to accept text as an entry by default (ie in settings)...

You can change this as you wish by defining a standard document template for 
Calc
and adjusting the settings there.

(a)
In the menu: Format-->Styles and Formatting, select the cell template "Default" 
in
the appearing dialog and in the context menu of this template set the desired 
cell
formatting in the tab "Numbers".

(b)
Then call up the menu: File-Templates-Save and save the document as a template.

(c)
Finally call: File-Template-Organize, search for the newly saved template, 
create
the context menu and select the entry "Set as default Template".

Done.


From now on the cell format in all new documents will be as you just set it in
(a).


Jörg



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Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode

[Dean . Webber]

Yes, best to avoid Google content if possible..

From: Pedro Lino 
Sent: Monday, 31 May 2021 5:42 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 21.04 / dark mode

Hi Andrea

Thank you for the links. FontAwesome requires a paid license to have access to 
the SVGs so I guess that excludes it.
Personally I would avoid using something from Google so my choice would be 
Remixicon. But I think we need to check which one has the most complete set. 
Maybe we need a combination of both themes.

Grazie mille!
Pedro

> On 05/30/2021 8:51 AM Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>
>
> Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > Pedro Lino wrote:
> >>> On 05/29/2021 9:32 PM Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> >>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fremixicon.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cb68b0bc77d8845d34ee908d92392597a%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%7C637579933764260143%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=FjRuENi74%2BM9MH0INsZrvmyQpCy6fp1El7vccaDeuFk%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >> This one is really interesting! Can you share the links to other
> >> projects that you have found?
> >
> > FontAwesome 
> > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffontawesome.com%2Flicense%2Ffree&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cb68b0bc77d8845d34ee908d92392597a%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%7C637579933764260143%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=NHErL1d23pCGssQnh2CRbW%2FR%2BOn2zdQ%2BSzkXdjChchM%3D&reserved=0
> >  is really popular and
> > CC-BY (but recent versions include a "Pro" section that may have
> > different terms).
> >
> > Google's Material Design Icons ... are
> > AL2, come in different styles and, although the set is already quite
> > comprehensive, are extended by community projects.
>
> I copy-pasted the same link twice... the correct link to Google's
> Material Design Icons is 
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffonts.google.com%2Ficons&data=04%7C01%7C2018001901%40student.sit.ac.nz%7Cb68b0bc77d8845d34ee908d92392597a%7Cc46ab213d1794a719ff7b9d9fe3f3b48%7C0%7C1%7C637579933764260143%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=4DtmoviQ9uuZGh8vVkFD7N1Os1tKaja626e1cNBayqI%3D&reserved=0
>
> Regards,
>Andrea.
>
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