Re: [INFO] Unofficial presentation of the AOO and Educoo projects

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 2/3/14 8:38 PM, Guy Waterval wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I knew this first journey into the world of MS users would be difficult,
> particularly in my area, but I wouldn't expect a so bad result. The
> presentation is canceled for a lack of participants. I was informed of the
> situation very late, a few days before the deadline for registration. I
> tried myself to recruit people in emergency, but in four days, it  was too
> short to inverse the tendance.
> Note that this situation is not representative and has not to be
> generalized.
> I will now try another method, without going through "official channels"
> but contact directly users myself and organize private and free information
> meetups to attempt to create a small users basis, because I've observed
> that most MS users are not against OpenOffice in itself, but seem to be
> more afraid about questions as changes, lack of support, to be isolated,
> etc. So, in my area, it seems there is a need to have first an intermediate
> layer of "experienced" users, perhaps organized in an association, between
> the project and a potential basis of users.
> So, I will try this way.

advocating OpenOffice against Ms Office is indeed no easy job and yes
the change of a comfortable work environment to a new one is not easy
for many users who simply want to do their job without bigger
preferences to one or the other program. Good luck.

Juergen


> 
> A+
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Re: About openxml handling code

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

we had issue 123723 [1], solved in revision 1560326 regarding certain 
token IDs used in module oox and module writerfilter.

I am not sure, if the fix would be relevant to want you have observed.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123723


Best regards, Oliver.

On 03.02.2014 18:54, Mayur wrote:

Found something interesting. Writer seems to reject any graphics in OOXML
documents - even VML ones. But there does seem to be code to support it.
Only, if a couple of tiny glitches were fixed, possibly Writer will start
showing VML shapes (at least). That'd work for all the 2007 MS word
documents, as well as for some 2010 documents which would have the vml data
in their mc:Alternativecontent tags. Here're the problems:
   i.  A function getNamespace( )  in
oox/source/shape/ShapeContextHandler.cxx always returned 0. The problem
seems to be a
   rather strange looking definition of the NMSP_MASK constant in
oox/source/token/namespaces.hxx.tail. It says there:
*const sal_int32 TOKEN_MASK* = static_cast* ( (1 <<
16) - 1 );  *
*   const sal_Int32 NMSP_MASK   = static_cast< sal_Int32 >(
SAL_MAX_INT16 & ~TOKEN_MASK );*

  Why SAL_MAX_INT16? That would translate into (for windows)
*  TOKEN_MASK = static_cast(0x);  // 65535*
*and NMSP_MASK = static_cast(0x7FFF & ~TOKEN_MASK). //
which is 0x7FFF & 0x = 0.*
   And
   Where as really, we should be looking for is the namespace value
which is in the higher two bytes. i.e. the following change fixes it.
*const sal_Int32 NMSP_MASK   = static_cast< sal_Int32 >(
SAL_MAX_INT32 & ~TOKEN_MASK );*
That should set NMSP_MASK to the required 0x to obtain the
higher two bytes.

To my mind, this sort of compactness isn't called for. Maybe, we
could have simply used a compact struct to store namespace and tag.

  ii. In oox/source/vml/vmldrawingfragment.cxx, there's a switch in the
function onCreateContext that says:
 case VMLDRAWING_WORD:
   if ( isRootElement() )  {... }

   Is this so that whenever a vml file is received as a separate
document fragment, only then we create a shape context? Why not for the
inline (v:rect or other) objects? I tried removing the check, and instead
checking simply if nElement is a VML, then vml drawings were suddenly
visible in writer.

Is this a valid fix?



On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Andre Fischer  wrote:


On 28.01.2014 13:47, Mayur wrote:


Hi,

I am very new to the OpenOffice code, and need some help understanding the
open-xml handling code. Could someone please answer the following
questions?

   i. There seem to be two distinct pieces of code that do open-xml parsing
in different ways. There's one part in "writerfilter" that has some
generated code (xslt based) that provides factories and classes for
creating different object types. And then, for sc and sd, all of the
parsing code is in the "oox" module and seems to be hand-written. Why is
that? Are there plans to move the parsing code to a common module?
(perhaps
oox ...)



Re why: OOXML import has been developed while OpenOffice was maintained by
Sun, later Oracle.  There where at least three development teams involved
(for Writer, Calc, Draw/Impress). Sometimes they did not communicate with
each other as well as they should have.  Having different modules is one of
the results.  But, as far as I know, writerfilter has some calls into oox
for shared functionality.

Re future plans: Some of us are thinking about improving the OOXML
support.  Consolidation of the code base into one module is a long term
goal.




ii. Probably a related question - why are drawing-ml shapes and pictures
not supported in sw, while they are supported in sc and sd? The parsing
code seems to be there. The tag wps:wsp has very little delta with the
p:sp
tag. Is this in works?



Well, see my above comments.
And, parsing OOXML is the easy part, importing the data into the
application model is the hard part.  Calc and Impress use the same model
for representing graphical objects, Writer has its own.

If you are interested in OOXML import/export then maybe we can work
together on improving it?

Regards,
Andre



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"is comprised of"

[E. Ward]

Dear Brilliant OOers,

About comprise.  

You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"

Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."

That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all the time 
. . . except . . . 

I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to exploit OO to 
its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
Thank you, EWard




  

Re: instsetoo_native need(s) to be rebuilt...

[Herbert Duerr]

Hi Apostolos,

On 01.02.2014 14:43, Απόστολος Συρόπουλος wrote:

I have compiled all OpenOffice modules and now building stops as follows:
ERROR: ERROR: unopkg sync --verbose -env:UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME=true 2>&1 | 
failed!
in function: register_extensions
[...]
I have no idea what is wrong and moreover where should I look to find the 
problem.
Any ideas and/or suggestions would be really apprecieted!


This might also be a re-occurrence of a missing library or symbol. This 
can hopefully be caught by my patch suggested in

http://markmail.org/message/lcctwzqrinjgwa7e
by enable it also for non-debug mode until this is solved.

Herbert

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patch to solve this issue.

@Herbert: Please take over and check, if further side effects were created by
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Re: 64bit Mac crashs often after start

[Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)]

Hi there,

Just to make sure that the filed bug is not overseen, as it only occurs on the 
new 64-bit MacOSX
AOO: . It also comes with 
the MacOSX
diagnostic file for inspection of the reported bug.

---rony


On 30.01.2014 18:35, Rony wrote:
> Hi Herbert,
>
> could you please point out where the MacOSX crash reports are located? 
>
> Experiencing an exception in the awt event thread when loading a scripting 
> engine and running a macro via the Java based scripting engine (latest, 64 
> bit AOO on MacOSX). Would like to submit it with a bug report.
>
> TIA
>
> Rony G. Flatscher (mobil/e)
>
>> Am 29.01.2014 um 08:40 schrieb Herbert Duerr :
>>
>> Hi Raphael,
>>
>>> On 01/29/2014 08:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote:
>>> I recognise that the OSX 4.0.1 often crachs after start. It is not realy
>>> reproducible, but I have the feeling that there is something wrong. I
>>> just whant to let you know, so we can keep a eye on this.
>>>
>>> System: 10.9 Mavericks.
>>>
>>> I will try to get more information about this behavior
>> The Mac crash reporter will have some interesting details about this.
>> Please copy and paste such a report into a text document and attach it
>> to a new issue.
>>
>> I also suggest to experiment with enabling/disabling extensions, the
>> update checker and with the java settings.
>>
>> Herbert
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"isn't comprised of"

[E. Ward]

Dear Brilliant OOers,

About comprise.  

You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"

Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."

That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all the time 
. . . except . . . 

I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to exploit OO to 
its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
Thank you, EWard
  

Re: "isn't comprised of"

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 00:07:25 -0500
"E. Ward"  wrote:

> Dear Brilliant OOers,
> 
> About comprise.  
> 
> You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"
> 
> Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."
> 
> That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all the 
> time . . . except . . . 
> 
> I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to exploit OO 
> to its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
> Thank you, EWard


Even simpler is to say "OpenOffice comprises six personal productivity 
applications"


-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Bundled dictionaries and forced extension update for en-US dictionary ???

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi,

I noticed that since last week I got always an extensions update for the
bundled English dictionary when I work/test with a new profile.

We bundle 2 dictionaries which seems to be English. I am not sure what
the difference is or which one should be used. I am wondering why it is
different and why nl and ru doesn't bundle the same as en*, de or it.

[ language=en.* || language=de || language=it ]
3c3f841f5d40403bcc4d6bb685a38160
http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/17102/1/dict-en.oxt/download
"dict-en.oxt"

# English (USA, en_US) dictionary
[ language==nl || language==ru ]
e2eab80772ab1aa09716954219351a80
http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/1470/1/en_US.oxt/download
"en_US.oxt"

But more confusing do I find the fact that the notified update download
a dictionary with the name "dict-en-marcoagpinto-20140107.oxt". What is
this for an dictionary and is it correct that it uses the same extension
identifier than "dict-en.oxt". Why is the name part of the file name?

If this is the intended new one I would suggest to update the existing
"dict-en.oxt" asap that we bundle this new one. Or if not use a
different extension identifier.

We should avoid that we bundle an old dictionary with 4.1 and all new
users get directly an extension update.

Any further information from people who knows more about the details?

Juergen

PS: follow up on the dev mailing list please

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Re: Bundled dictionaries and forced extension update for en-US dictionary ???

[Andrea Pescetti]

Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

I noticed that since last week I got always an extensions update for the
bundled English dictionary when I work/test with a new profile.


This is expected and it has been discussed extensively on both the l10n 
and dev list. The best way to catch up is probably that you look for 
messages from Marco Pinto.



We bundle 2 dictionaries which seems to be English. I am not sure what
the difference is or which one should be used. I am wondering why it is
different and why nl and ru doesn't bundle the same as en*, de or it.


One is a dictionary for multiple variants of English (en-US, en-GB...); 
the other one is for en-US only.



[ language=en.* || language=de || language=it ]
 3c3f841f5d40403bcc4d6bb685a38160
http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/17102/1/dict-en.oxt/download
"dict-en.oxt"


This needs to be updated, it's documented here
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124127
and I will take care of it later this week.


But more confusing do I find the fact that the notified update download
a dictionary with the name "dict-en-marcoagpinto-20140107.oxt". What is
this for an dictionary and is it correct that it uses the same extension
identifier than "dict-en.oxt". Why is the name part of the file name?


It is correct, since the extension was reassigned to Marco after he 
volunteered to make new releases. The fact that the OXT is named 
dict-en-marcoagpinto-20140107.oxt and not simply dict-en.oxt should 
indeed be fixed, it doesn't harm but it's easier to be consistent.



If this is the intended new one I would suggest to update the existing
"dict-en.oxt" asap that we bundle this new one. Or if not use a
different extension identifier.


Identifier must be the same, see above. But indeed let's simplify the 
name in Marco's next release.



We should avoid that we bundle an old dictionary with 4.1 and all new
users get directly an extension update.


Obviously. Again, this has been discussed at length on the l10n and dev 
lists.



Any further information from people who knows more about the details?


I think I summarized most of the discussion. But looking for messages 
from Marco in the l10n and dev archives will bring you up-to-date. And 
the next actions would be:
1) Marco releases his next update during this week (or at his earliest 
convenience) and names it simply dict-en.oxt
2) I address https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124127 
bundling his new version.
3) We keep the dictionary frozen until 4.1 is released, publishing new 
versions only some weeks after release.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Compilinng the gcc_solaris_intel bridge

[Herbert Duerr]

Another reply to your fix in the Solaris bridge module.

On 27.01.2014 17:04, Απόστολος Συρόπουλος wrote:

After a number of efforts I have finally managed to find the proper patch for
file bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_solaris_intel/uno2cpp.cxx and so
to build a functional bridge for Solaris. Previously, I could not build
the testtools module but now they compile just fine. Here is the patch:
[...]
+   // preserve potential 128bit stack alignment


I'm not sure whether the SPARCv9 ABI spec is relevant for your build 
environment, but it mentions this 16byte stack alignment in [1] as 
something new. Maybe the other changes may be relevant too to solve the 
bridge problems.


In particular I'd also suggest to mark the ecx register as clobbered 
like we do in [2] by changing the line:

: "eax", "edx"
to
: "eax", "edx", "ecx"

[1] http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E18752_01/html/816-5138/fcowb.html
[2] https://svn.apache.org/r1468341

Herbert

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Re: Bundled dictionaries and forced extension update for en-US dictionary ???

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 2/4/14 2:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> I noticed that since last week I got always an extensions update for the
>> bundled English dictionary when I work/test with a new profile.
> 
> This is expected and it has been discussed extensively on both the l10n
> and dev list. The best way to catch up is probably that you look for
> messages from Marco Pinto.
> 
>> We bundle 2 dictionaries which seems to be English. I am not sure what
>> the difference is or which one should be used. I am wondering why it is
>> different and why nl and ru doesn't bundle the same as en*, de or it.
> 
> One is a dictionary for multiple variants of English (en-US, en-GB...);
> the other one is for en-US only.
> 
>> [ language=en.* || language=de || language=it ]
>>  3c3f841f5d40403bcc4d6bb685a38160
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-extensions/files/17102/1/dict-en.oxt/download
>>
>> "dict-en.oxt"
> 
> This needs to be updated, it's documented here
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124127
> and I will take care of it later this week.
> 
>> But more confusing do I find the fact that the notified update download
>> a dictionary with the name "dict-en-marcoagpinto-20140107.oxt". What is
>> this for an dictionary and is it correct that it uses the same extension
>> identifier than "dict-en.oxt". Why is the name part of the file name?
> 
> It is correct, since the extension was reassigned to Marco after he
> volunteered to make new releases. The fact that the OXT is named
> dict-en-marcoagpinto-20140107.oxt and not simply dict-en.oxt should
> indeed be fixed, it doesn't harm but it's easier to be consistent.
> 
>> If this is the intended new one I would suggest to update the existing
>> "dict-en.oxt" asap that we bundle this new one. Or if not use a
>> different extension identifier.
> 
> Identifier must be the same, see above. But indeed let's simplify the
> name in Marco's next release.
> 
>> We should avoid that we bundle an old dictionary with 4.1 and all new
>> users get directly an extension update.
> 
> Obviously. Again, this has been discussed at length on the l10n and dev
> lists.
> 
>> Any further information from people who knows more about the details?
> 
> I think I summarized most of the discussion. But looking for messages
> from Marco in the l10n and dev archives will bring you up-to-date. And
> the next actions would be:
> 1) Marco releases his next update during this week (or at his earliest
> convenience) and names it simply dict-en.oxt
> 2) I address https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124127
> bundling his new version.
> 3) We keep the dictionary frozen until 4.1 is released, publishing new
> versions only some weeks after release.
> 

thanks for the summary, I haven't followed the related thread in detail.
All is fine to me, I just wanted to raise awareness for this once again
because we are going closer towards AOO 4.1.

Juergen


> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Reg: Completion of Set ups

[Igor Steinmacher]

Hi Dhananjayan,

I am a PhD researcher from Brazil. I am studying the difficulties faced by
newcomers to Open Source project.
As I am following some dev lists, I noticed that you sent this email to AOO
list interested in contributing.

I am really interest in understanding your motives and also what did you do
after this email. My objective is to check the problems you faced and to
propose solutions on how to help newcomers overcoming these problems.

Are you OK to have a quick chat (textual) with me via hangout or skype, so
I can understand how was your experience?

Thanks in advance,

Igor Fabio Steinmacher
PhD Candidate - Computer Science @ IME/USP
Faculty in Dept. of Computing at Universidade Tecnológica Federal do Paraná



On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Dhananjayan Santhanakrishnan <
sdj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have completed all the config's required for open office. How to
> proceed? What about tasks??
>
> Regards,
> Dhananjayan.

Re: "isn't comprised of"

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 00:07:25 -0500
> "E. Ward"  wrote:
>
>> Dear Brilliant OOers,
>>
>> About comprise.
>>
>> You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"
>>
>> Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."
>>
>> That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all the 
>> time . . . except . . .
>>
>> I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to exploit OO 
>> to its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
>> Thank you, EWard
>
>
> Even simpler is to say "OpenOffice comprises six personal productivity 
> applications"
>

The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition, gives the passive used
"comprised of", meaning "to be composed of, to consist of", attested
back to 1874.   So there is nothing incorrect about the current
wording.  To my ears it sounds more natural than your version.  I
wonder if this is an American/British usage difference?

Regards,

-Rob

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Re: Bundled dictionaries and forced extension update for en-US dictionary ???

[Marco A.G.Pinto]

  
  
Hello Jürgen,
  
  This is what the update is about:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice
  "
  
English dictionaries for Apache OpenOffice 4.x and later,
in a form suitable for inclusion as individual extension.
These are the dictionary files bundled with the English
version of Apache OpenOffice.
It includes:
  
- en_AU (Australian)
  
- en_CA (Canadian)
  
- en_GB (British) (updated on 2014-01-01)
  
- en_US (American)
  
- en_ZA (South African)
This is a locally hosted copy of the English
  dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and
  phonetic suggestion support extension.
 - See more at:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice#sthash.Ny8W0L9C.dpuf
  
English dictionaries for Apache OpenOffice 4.x and later,
in a form suitable for inclusion as individual extension.
These are the dictionary files bundled with the English
version of Apache OpenOffice.
It includes:
  
- en_AU (Australian)
  
- en_CA (Canadian)
  
- en_GB (British) (updated on 2014-01-01)
  
- en_US (American)
  
- en_ZA (South African)
This is a locally hosted copy of the English
  dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and
  phonetic suggestion support extension.
 - See more at:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice#sthash.Ny8W0L9C.dpuf
  
English dictionaries for Apache OpenOffice 4.x and later,
in a form suitable for inclusion as individual extension.
These are the dictionary files bundled with the English
version of Apache OpenOffice.
It includes:
  
- en_AU (Australian)
  
- en_CA (Canadian)
  
- en_GB (British) (updated on 2014-01-01)
  
- en_US (American)
  
- en_ZA (South African)
This is a locally hosted copy of the English
  dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and
  phonetic suggestion support extension.
 - See more at:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice#sthash.Ny8W0L9C.dpuf

  English dictionaries for Apache OpenOffice 4.x and
  later, in a form suitable for inclusion as individual
  extension.
  These are the dictionary files bundled with the English
  version of Apache OpenOffice.
  It includes:

  - en_AU (Australian)

  - en_CA (Canadian)

  - en_GB (British) (updated on 2014-01-01)

  - en_US (American)

  - en_ZA (South African)
  This is a locally hosted copy of the English
dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature
and phonetic suggestion support extension.
   - See more at:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice#sthash.Ny8W0L9C.dpuf
  
  
English dictionaries for Apache OpenOffice 4.x and later,
in a form suitable for inclusion as individual extension.
These are the dictionary files bundled with the English
version of Apache OpenOffice.
It includes:
  
- en_AU (Australian)
  
- en_CA (Canadian)
  
- en_GB (British) (updated on 2014-01-01)
  
- en_US (American)
  
- en_ZA (South African)
This is a locally hosted copy of the English
  dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and
  phonetic suggestion support extension.
 - See more at:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/english-dictionaries-apache-openoffice#sthash.Ny8W0L9C.dpuf
  
English dictionaries for Apache OpenOffice 4.x and later,
in a form suitable for inclusion as individual extension.
These are the dictionary files bundled with the English
version of Apache OpenOffice.
It includes:
  
- en_AU (Australian)
  
- en_CA (Canadian)
  
- en_GB (British) (updated on 2014-01-01)
  
- en_US (American)
  
- en_ZA (South African)
This is a locally hosted copy of the English
  dictionaries with fixed dash handling and new ligature and

Re: "isn't comprised of"

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,

Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 00:07:25 -0500
>> "E. Ward"  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Brilliant OOers,
>>>
>>> About comprise.
>>>
>>> You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"
>>>
>>> Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."
>>>
>>> That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all the 
>>> time . . . except . . .
>>>
>>> I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to exploit OO 
>>> to its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
>>> Thank you, EWard
>>
>> Even simpler is to say "OpenOffice comprises six personal productivity 
>> applications"
>>
> 
> The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition, gives the passive used
> "comprised of", meaning "to be composed of, to consist of", attested
> back to 1874.   So there is nothing incorrect about the current
> wording.  To my ears it sounds more natural than your version.  I
> wonder if this is an American/British usage difference?

Quite possibly. Or even more, a kind of temporal/regional thing: usage
patterns, like pronunciation, change as this or that population gains
linguistic dominance (i.e., we do what they do speechwise, even if it
ain't the Queen's English, or even Twain's).

But to comprise. I agree with Rob. And that has nothing to do with my
having a phd in the field. Grammar "rules" are conventions that serve to
clarify logical speech operations so that communication is made easier.
If communication is actually not made easier, then

But what I usually do, in much of my own writing, is use "compose." The
only "rule" I like to follow with comprise is that it refers to the
totality of the objects making up the whole, thus, n comprises y, and
that should mean that all of y are the n components. But even here,
there are slippages, and there is no reason that identities need stay
fixed.

But along these lines, the only logical insistence one might have in
grammar is to follow the math: are is plural, none takes the singular,
as do neither and either and others that logically refer to singles not
plurals, if read differently. (I shut my eyes to who/whom violations. I
have not given up hope on this, but do despair. People, it's not that
hard. Just put it into Latin and think: accusitive, dative; you know,
it's easy! Much easier than using that Attic Greek you avoided
memorizing in school.)

Salve,
Lovis

PS, Louis Menand's take down of grammarians protesting too much is worth
the read, as is, of course Twain's.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell 
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Re: [INFO] Unofficial presentation of the AOO and Educoo projects

[Guy Waterval]

Hi Jürgen,

2014-02-04 Jürgen Schmidt :

>
> advocating OpenOffice against Ms Office is indeed no easy job and yes
> the change of a comfortable work environment to a new one is not easy
> for many users who simply want to do their job without bigger
> preferences to one or the other program. Good luck.
>

Thanks for your answer.

To be honest I never present AOO against MS Office, but as a complement to
MS Office, to open certain files or for a use at home, or with some
extensions, etc. I don't will push people to a radical change, especially
in sensible areas where they could have too many interoperability issues or
in case I know there is locally no structure able to support such a change.
But of course, there are areas in a company where AOO can be viewed as an
excellent alternative, without  inconvenients, and in this case, it's
certainly a good choice to suggest. For instance, I know a MS Office user
(a teacher) who uses only AOO for translations with the Anaphraseus
extension. He will perhaps never change totally  for AOO, and I have no
problem with that. But as we have in CH a lot of users with daily
translation works between French English German and Italian, I know he has
made a demand (no response up to now) for a systematic installation of
AOO+Anaphraseus near MS Office on all the PCs in the Swiss Administration.
The alternative Wordfast for MS Office is certainly more sophisticated but
costs 400 euros pro licence. Another advantage of this "soft" approach is
to give people an opportunity to discover AOO without stress and use it at
home if they will. Also a possible way to enlarge the basis of the users.
 For schools the situation is a little different, OOo4Kids is clearly the
solution for the primary school and AOO the best free solution for students
after 12 years. In this area a more "combative" attitude is suitable, I
find.

A+
-- 
gw

>
>
>

Re: [INFO] Unofficial presentation of the AOO and Educoo projects

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 2/3/14 8:38 PM, Guy Waterval wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I knew this first journey into the world of MS users would be difficult,
>> particularly in my area, but I wouldn't expect a so bad result. The
>> presentation is canceled for a lack of participants. I was informed of the
>> situation very late, a few days before the deadline for registration. I
>> tried myself to recruit people in emergency, but in four days, it  was too
>> short to inverse the tendance.
>> Note that this situation is not representative and has not to be
>> generalized.
>> I will now try another method, without going through "official channels"
>> but contact directly users myself and organize private and free information
>> meetups to attempt to create a small users basis, because I've observed
>> that most MS users are not against OpenOffice in itself, but seem to be
>> more afraid about questions as changes, lack of support, to be isolated,
>> etc. So, in my area, it seems there is a need to have first an intermediate
>> layer of "experienced" users, perhaps organized in an association, between
>> the project and a potential basis of users.
>> So, I will try this way.
>
> advocating OpenOffice against Ms Office is indeed no easy job and yes
> the change of a comfortable work environment to a new one is not easy
> for many users who simply want to do their job without bigger
> preferences to one or the other program. Good luck.
>

>From a practical perspective it is important to realize that with most
changes their are winners and losers.  Some people hate change, some
love it.   If a company is moving from Microsoft to OpenOffice, who
are the natural winners and losers:

Winners: Those who benefit from cost savings, so the owners of the
company.  Those whose departments now have extra money to spend on
other things than MS Office.  Those looking for the opportunity to
advance their careers by driving cost-saving changes.  Those who want
to demonstrate leadership by transforming the company's IT department.

Losers:   Those who fear change, disruption.  Those who identify
themselves and their competency as "Microsoft Office exports" and fear
that this career advantage will be lost.

The trick to adopting OpenOffice is finding your natural allies in the
organization and working with them to address the concerns of those
who fear they will lose by the change.  In the end it is possible for
everyone to win.  But you need a plan for addressing the
constituencies who will naturally fear and resist change.

Regards,

-Rob


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Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Roberto Bernardin]

I USED THE 4.0.0 version for several months and it was a good experience.
Some days ago appears a dialog window I cannot close it, and I cannot save 
anymore the hold files with a new name, I cannot print in PDF FORMAT any new 
documents. Sorry but I have to solve the problem very fast I do not have any 
other possibility: I have to cancel OPEN OFFICE because it does not work 
properly.

I installed the new verson 4.0.1 and it is like before !! I cannot use OPEN 
OFFICE ANY MORE IF YOU DO NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

I ALSO TRYED TO CONTACT THE FORUM i foud some other user with the same problem 
!! 

Could you please help me to solve the problem in the faster way as soon as 
possible? 

BEST REGARDS 
ROBERTO BERNARDIN
MACHMER INTERNATIONAL CONSULTING 
UHLANDSTRASSE 134 
10717 BERLIN -- GERMANY
 



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Re: "isn't comprised of"

[Donald Whytock]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> >> On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 00:07:25 -0500
> >> "E. Ward"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Brilliant OOers,
> >>>
> >>> About comprise.
> >>>
> >>> You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"
> >>>
> >>> Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."
> >>>
> >>> That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all
> the time . . . except . . .
> >>>
> >>> I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to
> exploit OO to its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
> >>> Thank you, EWard
> >>
> >> Even simpler is to say "OpenOffice comprises six personal productivity
> applications"
> >>
> >
> > The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition, gives the passive used
> > "comprised of", meaning "to be composed of, to consist of", attested
> > back to 1874.   So there is nothing incorrect about the current
> > wording.  To my ears it sounds more natural than your version.  I
> > wonder if this is an American/British usage difference?
>
> Quite possibly. Or even more, a kind of temporal/regional thing: usage
> patterns, like pronunciation, change as this or that population gains
> linguistic dominance (i.e., we do what they do speechwise, even if it
> ain't the Queen's English, or even Twain's).
>
> But to comprise. I agree with Rob. And that has nothing to do with my
> having a phd in the field. Grammar "rules" are conventions that serve to
> clarify logical speech operations so that communication is made easier.
> If communication is actually not made easier, then
>
> But what I usually do, in much of my own writing, is use "compose." The
> only "rule" I like to follow with comprise is that it refers to the
> totality of the objects making up the whole, thus, n comprises y, and
> that should mean that all of y are the n components. But even here,
> there are slippages, and there is no reason that identities need stay
> fixed.
>
> But along these lines, the only logical insistence one might have in
> grammar is to follow the math: are is plural, none takes the singular,
> as do neither and either and others that logically refer to singles not
> plurals, if read differently. (I shut my eyes to who/whom violations. I
> have not given up hope on this, but do despair. People, it's not that
> hard. Just put it into Latin and think: accusitive, dative; you know,
> it's easy! Much easier than using that Attic Greek you avoided
> memorizing in school.)
>
> Salve,
> Lovis
>
> PS, Louis Menand's take down of grammarians protesting too much is worth
> the read, as is, of course Twain's.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >> --
> >> Rory O'Farrell 
> >>
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One could argue that comprise has more general utility than compose, in
that one commonly hears "A is composed of B" but not "B composes A" (unless
B stands for Beethoven).  Whereas "A comprises B" does sort of imply "B is
comprised of A",  assuming "is comprised of" is valid usage at all.

But yeah, I'd've used "is composed of" too.  Or simply "includes".

Don

RE: Compilinng the gcc_solaris_intel bridge

[Απόστολος Συρόπουλος]

Hello Herbert,


> >[...]
> > +   // preserve potential 128bit stack alignment
> 
> I'm not sure whether the SPARCv9 ABI spec is relevant for your build 
> environment, but it mentions this 16byte stack alignment in [1] as 
> something new. Maybe the other changes may be relevant too to solve the 
> bridge problems.

Well, as I said my patch is based on the code found in the corresponding
gcc3-linux-intel file. Obviously, this has nothing to do with SPARC machines,
but then again it might be some kind of leftover.
 
> In particular I'd also suggest to mark the ecx register as clobbered 
> like we do in [2] by changing the line:
>   : "eax", "edx"
> to
>   : "eax", "edx", "ecx"
> 

I have changed this and it still compiles the testtools.

A.S.
--
Apostols Syropoulos
Xanthi, Greece

  

Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Larry Gusaas]

You need to delete the folder "org.openoffice.script.savedState". It is in the "Saved 
Application State" folder in your User/Library.


See this post on the user forum for detailed instructions: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=55755#p244931



On 2013-12-13, 11:07 AM Roberto Bernardin wrote concerning "Reporting a problem with the 
OpenOffice website":

I USED THE 4.0.0 version for several months and it was a good experience.
Some days ago appears a dialog window I cannot close it, and I cannot save 
anymore the hold files with a new name, I cannot print in PDF FORMAT any new 
documents. Sorry but I have to solve the problem very fast I do not have any 
other possibility: I have to cancel OPEN OFFICE because it does not work 
properly.

I installed the new verson 4.0.1 and it is like before !! I cannot use OPEN 
OFFICE ANY MORE IF YOU DO NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

I ALSO TRYED TO CONTACT THE FORUM i foud some other user with the same problem 
!!

Could you please help me to solve the problem in the faster way as soon as 
possible?

--

As a courtesy I have sent a copy of this reply to you as well as to the mailing list. Do Not 
reply to me personally but just to the list at  - replies to my 
personal email address will be ignored.


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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Keith N. McKenna]

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Roberto Bernardin wrote:
> I USED THE 4.0.0 version for several months and it was a good 
> experience. Some days ago appears a dialog window I cannot close
> it, and I cannot save anymore the hold files with a new name, I
> cannot print in PDF FORMAT any new documents. Sorry but I have to
> solve the problem very fast I do not have any other possibility: I
> have to cancel OPEN OFFICE because it does not work properly.
> 
> I installed the new verson 4.0.1 and it is like before !! I cannot 
> use OPEN OFFICE ANY MORE IF YOU DO NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
> 
> I ALSO TRYED TO CONTACT THE FORUM i foud some other user with the 
> same problem !!
> 
> Could you please help me to solve the problem in the faster way as 
> soon as possible?
> 
> BEST REGARDS ROBERTO BERNARDIN MACHMER INTERNATIONAL CONSULTING 
> UHLANDSTRASSE 134 10717 BERLIN -- GERMANY
> 
> 
Roberto;
Without knowing the wording of the dialog window and the Operating
system and version that you are using it is difficult to precisely
suggest the best course of action. However this sounds very much like
a known issue with Apple's OS X. If you are using a mac then the
following may help.

You need to delete the file "org.openoffice.script.savedState". It is
in the "Saved Application State" folder in your User/Library.

See this post on the user forum for detailed instructions:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=55755#p244931

If the above does not help please get back to the list with the
contents of the dialog box and the operating system and version that
you are using.

As you are not subscribed to this list I have cc'd your email address
as a courtesy. Please direct all communications to the list and not my
e-mail address.

Regards
Keith

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Solution for Mozilla address book?

[Regina Henschel]

Hi all,

in AOO 4.0.1 I can use my Seamonkey address book with 
"sdbc:address:mozilla:". That seems to be removed in AOO4.1. How can I 
now get my address book?


I work on Windows 7.

Kind regards
Regina

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Introducing myself

[Reem Elnagar]

Hello
I am Reem El-Naggar, from Egypt. I am interested in contributing to Openoffice 
in any possible way. Since I actually use it a lot and it helps me with my 
assignments for college.
I am not a programmer and I am not familiar with it, But I read on the web site 
that even if you are not a programmer you can help in any other ways, so I will 
be glad if I can help.

RE: instsetoo_native need(s) to be rebuilt...

[Απόστολος Συρόπουλος]

> 
> This might also be a re-occurrence of a missing library or symbol.
>

After inspecting file

aoo4/main/instsetoo_native/unxsogi.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/installed/logging/en-US/log_AOO410_en-US.log

I found out that it was not possible to execute unopkg just because it picked 
the system
libicuuc.so.40.1 and not the one that it was build and linked against. It seems 
that
somewhere is a missing LD_LIBRARY_PATH. After setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH 
it finsihed with no problem. I created a tar file form one of the folders in

aoo4/main/instsetoo_native/unxsogi.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/installed/install/

(there is a el for Greek and an en-US folder). I "installed" this but it could 
not
start. The problem? file soffice did not export LD_LIBRARY_PATH  because
there is no provision for SunOS:

# extend the ld_library_path for java: javaldx checks the sofficerc for us
if [ -x "$sd_prog/javaldx" ] ; then
# this is a temporary hack until we can live with the default search paths
case "`uname -s`" in
FreeBSD)

After changing FreeBSD to SunOS, OpenOffice starts just fine! The only problem
is that there are no icons and buttons! Where are the icons?

A.S.
--
Apostolos Syropoulos
Xanthi, Greece

  

Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Terri Adams]

How can I contact in reference to download problems? It is telling me that I 
need Java Runtime Environment but I am downloading on a MAC. HELP
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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi

You need the 32 bit version of Java. You have probabily the 64 bit on it.

Greetings Raphael

Am 04/02/14 19:19, schrieb Terri Adams:

How can I contact in reference to download problems? It is telling me that I 
need Java Runtime Environment but I am downloading on a MAC. HELP
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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Reem Elnagar]

Maybe you try to use this link it is open office download for mac 
http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/



On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:23 PM, Terri Adams  wrote:
 
How can I contact in reference to download problems? It is telling me that I 
need Java Runtime Environment but I am downloading on a MAC. HELP
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Re: Introducing myself

[Andrea Pescetti]

Reem Elnagar wrote:

Hello I am Reem El-Naggar, from Egypt. I am interested in
contributing to Openoffice in any possible way. Since I actually use
it a lot and it helps me with my assignments for college. I am not a
programmer and I am not familiar with it, But I read on the web site
that even if you are not a programmer you can help in any other ways,
so I will be glad if I can help.


Hi, can you help with the translation into Arabic? We would like to 
release the next version in Arabic too, but some work is still needed 
(we are at 93%).


Please see
https://translate.apache.org/ar/aoo40/
for the current status and read
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide
to know how to request an account for helping with translations.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Fwd: Ten Years of Google Summer of Code - GSoC 2014 is coming

[Andrea Pescetti]

Google Summer of Code 2014 is coming and we need some project proposals 
by 10 February.


These are needed for Apache to apply as a mentor organization (it will 
be an Apache-wide application as usual). Relevant excerpts from a 
message by Uli, who coordinates the Apache participation in GSoC:


  ---
If you want to participate with your project you have to do the 
following things by no later than 2014-02-10 19:00 UTC


- understand what it means to be a mentor 
http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html


- record your project ideas. Just create issues in JIRA [use the COMDEV 
JIRA project], label them with gsoc2014, and they will show up at 
http://s.apache.org/gsoc2014ideas Please be as specific as possible when 
describing your idea. Include the programming language, the tools and 
skills required, but try not to scare potential students away. They are 
supposed to learn what's required before the program starts. ... 
http://community.apache.org/gsoc.html contains some additional information.


- subscribe to ment...@community.apache.org ... Use a recognized address 
when subscribing (@apache.org or one of your alias addresses on record).

   ---

An additional comment: please only propose projects that you would be 
able to complete personally! This is not a wishlist: you need to outline 
the skills a student must have and be able to mentor a student.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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RE: EXTERNAL: Re: OO 4.01 Compiled for Solaris 11 x86 Runtime Memory Fault

[Steele, Raymond]

Herbert,



Raymond and I have been using the dbx debugger feature of Solaris Studio 12.3 
with an equivalent throw/catch feature (intercept/whocatches) and have found 
that the cases where we tried to intercept exceptions, they were unhandled. 
This includes inside the SidebarController where we have tracked the problem 
origination. We have stepped through the code multiple times and while we have 
found that the problem originates in the SidebarController, we cannot explain 
how it happens.



Using the debug tool we see that the SidebarController constructor doesn't 
complete because the segmentation fault occurs when the 
notifyContextChangeEvent is called a second time. The first time it is called 
it is located in the addContextChangeEventListener where it appears to work as 
expected, even the acquire function appears to call the 
ContextChangeEventMultiplexer without any errors.



The following lines are what we see as we step-by-step through the execution of 
the SidebarController.cxx constructor when we select the Spreadsheet or the 
Text Document.



The first time the notifyContextChangeEvent is called:



SidebarController: Line 147 - addContextChangeEventListener is called

Reference.h: Line 359 - XInterface operator -> is called

Reference.h: Line 217 - castFromXInterface is called

Reference.hxx: Line 134 - castToXInterface is called

Reference.h: Line 232 - function castToXInterface

Reference.hxx: Line 135 - if(_pInterface)

Reference.hxx: Line 136 - _pInterface->acquire();

compbase4.hxx: Line 70- WeakComponentHelperBase::acquire prototype

implbase.hxx: Line 236 - WeakObject::acquire definition

-  ContextChangeEventMultiplexer receives and processes event.

-  In ContextChangeEventMultiplexer addContextChangeEventListener 
adds and calls the notifyContextChangeEvent

-  SidebarController::notifyContextChangeEvent: Line 257 is called. 
The rEvent associated with the notifyContextChangeEvent is a valid address

-  The rEvent STRUCT contains the application name and context name 
references

Context.cxx: Line 51 - msContext(rsContext)

ustring.hxx: Line103 - pData = str.pData

-  Processing continues as normal from this point till line 168 of 
SidebarController.cxx



The second time the notifyContextChangeEvent is called:



SidebarController: Line 168 - the xWeakController(this) is called

Reference.hxx: Line 134 - castToXInterface is called

Reference.h: Line 232 - function castToXInterface

Reference.hxx: Line 135 - if(_pInterface)

Reference.hxx: Line 136 - _pInterface->acquire(); (Why does this not behave 
like the first call above? Should there be a call to 
WeakComponentHelperBase::acuire? The next step appears to skip all these 
procedures.)

SidebarController::notifyContextChangeEvent: Line 257 is called, the rEvent is 
pointing to a reference that cannot be accessed.

-  The dbx dump has an rEvent = STRUCT

-  The dbx print of the rEvent says that it is referenced through a 
nil pointer

Context.cxx: Line 51 - msContext(rsContext)

ustring.hxx: Line103 - pData = str.pData

-  Accessing the pData in the string has been corrupted and causes 
the following Segmentation Fault:

-  Signal SEGV(no mapping at the fault address) in 
rtl::OUString::OUString at line 103 in file ustring.hxx



We are trying to do our due diligence on this problem and we have been 
investigating it as best we can, but we are lacking in knowledge that the 
community can provide, which is why we are seeking help. Also the errors don't 
seem to make sense, so we believe we are dealing with a bug. We hope we are not 
being an inconvenience, and we definitely appreciate the help. We are 
investigating alternatives, but would really like to get this to work. Our 
current applications use OpenOffice extensively.  Since we had to move to 
Solaris 11, we are forced to get this working or find another solution, which 
we'd rather not pursue.



Hopefully you or a member of the community can help us make some headway. We'd 
appreciate it. Thanks.



David Meffe



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From: Herbert Duerr [mailto:h...@apache.org]
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To: a...@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: OO 4.01 Compiled for Solaris 11 x86 Runtime Memory Fault



Hi Raymond,



most regulars are traveling (and are meeting this weekend at FOSDEM in 
Brussels).



I already recommended the try to find whether any exceptions are thrown (and 
caught away) during the steps you already debugged.



In gdb I'd use the command

catch throw

to find the throwing code. Maybe there is similar facility in Solaris Studio?



Herbert



On 31.01.2014 20:27, Steele, Raymond wrote:

> Anyone out there? We really need to get this working, but are having a 
> difficult time.

>

> From: Steele, Raymond

> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:11 PM

> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org

Re: "is comprised of"

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

This should probably be directed to the documentation project. Off hand, 
I would say that we could benefit from your knowledge.


d...@openoffice.apache.org

Although I agree that we should not purposely incorporate incorrect word 
use in our documents, my primary concern is that it is understood. That 
said:


If I read this correctly, then the whole comprises the parts:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise

These two examples are provided:

"The play comprises three acts" and "a vast installation, comprising 
fifty buildings"


The Elements of Style states :

comprise" means, "literally, 'embrace.' A zoo comprises mammals, 
reptiles and birds (because it 'embraces' or 'includes' them.


See here:

https://suite101.com/a/how-to-use-the-word-comprise-a95355

If we finally get to your primary concern, which is comprised of, the 
best I could find is probably best summarized by the Oxford, which 
stated that the usage is strongly opposed by some and unobjectionable by 
many.


My opinion is that my knowledge of grammar and word usage is poor, so, I 
may be writing falsehoods, but, this feels to me like "comprised of" is 
a passive statement rather than an active statement... and I generally 
strive to use active voice because it just seems to read "better" (what 
ever that means).





On 02/04/2014 12:04 AM, E. Ward wrote:

Dear Brilliant OOers,

About comprise.

You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"

Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."

That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all the time 
. . . except . . .

I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to exploit OO to 
its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
Thank you, EWard







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Re: "isn't comprised of"

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:43 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 00:07:25 -0500
> > "E. Ward"  wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Brilliant OOers,
> >>
> >> About comprise.
> >>
> >> You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"
> >>
> >> Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."
> >>
> >> That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all
> the time . . . except . . .
> >>
> >> I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to
> exploit OO to its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
> >> Thank you, EWard
> >
> >
> > Even simpler is to say "OpenOffice comprises six personal productivity
> applications"
> >
>
> The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition, gives the passive used
> "comprised of", meaning "to be composed of, to consist of", attested
> back to 1874.   So there is nothing incorrect about the current
> wording.  To my ears it sounds more natural than your version.  I
> wonder if this is an American/British usage difference?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>

The current wording "comprised of" sounds better to me also. But, it could
be a cultural usage difference as you point out.


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Re: New SNAPSHOT available (based on r1560772)

[Nakata Maho]

Hello hdu and all

Questions:
1. subject says 1560772 but 
   
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
 
   says 1560773. Which is correct?

2. Approve for FreeBSD patches
a. 
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-webdav?revision=342617&view=markup
b. 
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-nss?revision=342426&view=markup

3. Weired error in canvas due to sal. What do you think?

cf. 
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-sal?revision=342617&view=markup

/work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/solver/410/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/rtl/string.hxx:237:5:
 error: 'rtl::OString::operator const sal_Char*() const' is private
/work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_textlayout.cxx:336:40:
 error: within this context
/work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_textlayout.cxx:
 In member function 'bool 
cairocanvas::TextLayout::draw(cairo::SurfaceSharedPtr&, OutputDevice&, const 
Point&, const com::sun::star::rendering::ViewState&, const 
com::sun::star::rendering::RenderState&) const':

Best,
 Nakata Maho

From: Herbert Duerr 
Subject: New SNAPSHOT available (based on r1560772)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:02:34 +0100

> New snapshot builds based on the "feature freeze" revision
> (according to the release plan [1]) are available at [2].
> 
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Planning
> 
> [2] http://people.apache.org/~hdu/developer-snapshots/snapshot/
> 
> The development-snapshot CWiki page [3] has been partially updated,
> but since Markup was disabled [4] in the latest Confluence update the
> process of updating this page has become incredibly painful and will
> take some more time.
> 
> [3]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
> [4]
> http://blogs.atlassian.com/2011/11/why-we-removed-wiki-markup-editor-in-confluence-4/
> 
> I suggest to move this page into our MediaWiki instead where generated
> markup can be directly used.
> 
> I also suggest to use a different name for these kinds of snapshots,
> because the buildbots provide a different of snapshot [5] that are not
> built for maximum compatibility. How about renaming the release-like
> snapshots to "milestone"?
> 
> [5] http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#linsnap
> 
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Re: "is comprised of"

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
 wrote:
> This should probably be directed to the documentation project. Off hand, I
> would say that we could benefit from your knowledge.
>
> d...@openoffice.apache.org
>
> Although I agree that we should not purposely incorporate incorrect word use
> in our documents, my primary concern is that it is understood. That said:
>
> If I read this correctly, then the whole comprises the parts:
>
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise
>
> These two examples are provided:
>
> "The play comprises three acts" and "a vast installation, comprising fifty
> buildings"
>
> The Elements of Style states :
>
> comprise" means, "literally, 'embrace.' A zoo comprises mammals, reptiles
> and birds (because it 'embraces' or 'includes' them.
>
> See here:
>
> https://suite101.com/a/how-to-use-the-word-comprise-a95355
>
> If we finally get to your primary concern, which is comprised of, the best I
> could find is probably best summarized by the Oxford, which stated that the
> usage is strongly opposed by some and unobjectionable by many.
>
> My opinion is that my knowledge of grammar and word usage is poor, so, I may
> be writing falsehoods, but, this feels to me like "comprised of" is a
> passive statement rather than an active statement... and I generally strive
> to use active voice because it just seems to read "better" (what ever that
> means).
>

The subject ought to be OpenOffice.  In this context it would not make
sense to do otherwise.  So if we want to change, maybe something like
"Apache OpenOffice consists of..." or "Apache OpenOffice includes..."
or "Apache OpenOffice is a suite of..."

-Rob
>
>
>
>
> On 02/04/2014 12:04 AM, E. Ward wrote:
>>
>> Dear Brilliant OOers,
>>
>> About comprise.
>>
>> You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"
>>
>> Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."
>>
>> That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all the
>> time . . . except . . .
>>
>> I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to exploit
>> OO to its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
>> Thank you, EWard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Andrew Pitonyak
> My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
> Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
>
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Re: "is comprised of"

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
>  wrote:
>> This should probably be directed to the documentation project. Off hand, I
>> would say that we could benefit from your knowledge.
>>
>> d...@openoffice.apache.org
>>
>> Although I agree that we should not purposely incorporate incorrect word use
>> in our documents, my primary concern is that it is understood. That said:
>>
>> If I read this correctly, then the whole comprises the parts:
>>
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise
>>
>> These two examples are provided:
>>
>> "The play comprises three acts" and "a vast installation, comprising fifty
>> buildings"
>>
>> The Elements of Style states :
>>
>> comprise" means, "literally, 'embrace.' A zoo comprises mammals, reptiles
>> and birds (because it 'embraces' or 'includes' them.
>>
>> See here:
>>
>> https://suite101.com/a/how-to-use-the-word-comprise-a95355
>>
>> If we finally get to your primary concern, which is comprised of, the best I
>> could find is probably best summarized by the Oxford, which stated that the
>> usage is strongly opposed by some and unobjectionable by many.
>>
>> My opinion is that my knowledge of grammar and word usage is poor, so, I may
>> be writing falsehoods, but, this feels to me like "comprised of" is a
>> passive statement rather than an active statement... and I generally strive
>> to use active voice because it just seems to read "better" (what ever that
>> means).
>>
> 
> The subject ought to be OpenOffice.  In this context it would not make
> sense to do otherwise.  So if we want to change, maybe something like
> "Apache OpenOffice consists of..." or "Apache OpenOffice includes..."
> or "Apache OpenOffice is a suite of..."
> 
> -Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/04/2014 12:04 AM, E. Ward wrote:
>>> Dear Brilliant OOers,
>>>
>>> About comprise.
>>>
>>> You write, "is comprised of six personal productivity applications"
>>>
>>> Actually, it's, "six personal productivity application comprise OO."
>>>
>>> That is, the smaller comprise the larger.  Everyone get it wrong - all the
>>> time . . . except . . .
>>>
>>> I'm about to try OO - am an old (literally) Word user.  Eager to exploit
>>> OO to its fullest, or would that be to my fullest?
>>> Thank you, EWard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Pitonyak
>> My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
>> Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
>>
>>
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Can i suggest we take this opportunity to emphasize that OO has modules
not fixtures and that these can be added to?

Thus, I'd suggest using "includes," which leaves the door open.

louis

PS when I'd previously written this language for the Web, prior to
John's take on it, if it was he who done it, I think I used composed.

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Re: New SNAPSHOT available (based on r1560772)

[Nakata Maho]

From: Nakata Maho 
Subject: Re: New SNAPSHOT available (based on r1560772)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:00:44 +0900 (JST)

> Hello hdu and all
> 
> Questions:
> 1. subject says 1560772 but 
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
>  
>says 1560773. Which is correct?
> 
> 2. Approve for FreeBSD patches
> a. 
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-webdav?revision=342617&view=markup

correct one is following.
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-webdav?revision=342631&view=co

> b. 
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-nss?revision=342426&view=markup
> 
> 3. Weired error in canvas due to sal. What do you think?
> 
> cf. 
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-sal?revision=342617&view=markup
> 
> /work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/solver/410/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/rtl/string.hxx:237:5:
>  error: 'rtl::OString::operator const sal_Char*() const' is private
> /work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_textlayout.cxx:336:40:
>  error: within this context
> /work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_textlayout.cxx:
>  In member function 'bool 
> cairocanvas::TextLayout::draw(cairo::SurfaceSharedPtr&, OutputDevice&, const 
> Point&, const com::sun::star::rendering::ViewState&, const 
> com::sun::star::rendering::RenderState&) const':
> 
> Best,
>  Nakata Maho
> 
> From: Herbert Duerr 
> Subject: New SNAPSHOT available (based on r1560772)
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:02:34 +0100
> 
>> New snapshot builds based on the "feature freeze" revision
>> (according to the release plan [1]) are available at [2].
>> 
>> [1]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Planning
>> 
>> [2] http://people.apache.org/~hdu/developer-snapshots/snapshot/
>> 
>> The development-snapshot CWiki page [3] has been partially updated,
>> but since Markup was disabled [4] in the latest Confluence update the
>> process of updating this page has become incredibly painful and will
>> take some more time.
>> 
>> [3]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
>> [4]
>> http://blogs.atlassian.com/2011/11/why-we-removed-wiki-markup-editor-in-confluence-4/
>> 
>> I suggest to move this page into our MediaWiki instead where generated
>> markup can be directly used.
>> 
>> I also suggest to use a different name for these kinds of snapshots,
>> because the buildbots provide a different of snapshot [5] that are not
>> built for maximum compatibility. How about renaming the release-like
>> snapshots to "milestone"?
>> 
>> [5] http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#linsnap
>> 
>> Herbert
>> 
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Re: Fwd: Ten Years of Google Summer of Code - GSoC 2014 is coming

[Varun Bezzam]

Thanks for the information!
On Feb 5, 2014 4:09 AM, "Andrea Pescetti"  wrote:

> Google Summer of Code 2014 is coming and we need some project proposals by
> 10 February.
>
> These are needed for Apache to apply as a mentor organization (it will be
> an Apache-wide application as usual). Relevant excerpts from a message by
> Uli, who coordinates the Apache participation in GSoC:
>
>   ---
> If you want to participate with your project you have to do the following
> things by no later than 2014-02-10 19:00 UTC
>
> - understand what it means to be a mentor http://community.apache.org/
> guide-to-being-a-mentor.html
>
> - record your project ideas. Just create issues in JIRA [use the COMDEV
> JIRA project], label them with gsoc2014, and they will show up at
> http://s.apache.org/gsoc2014ideas Please be as specific as possible when
> describing your idea. Include the programming language, the tools and
> skills required, but try not to scare potential students away. They are
> supposed to learn what's required before the program starts. ...
> http://community.apache.org/gsoc.html contains some additional
> information.
>
> - subscribe to ment...@community.apache.org ... Use a recognized address
> when subscribing (@apache.org or one of your alias addresses on record).
>---
>
> An additional comment: please only propose projects that you would be able
> to complete personally! This is not a wishlist: you need to outline the
> skills a student must have and be able to mentor a student.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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build failure on trunk on MacOSX

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi,

trunk can't be built currently on MacOSX, it seems to be a problem with
not found symbols and I assume it is related to the latest changes done
for Linux.

build breaks in main/i18npool


Trace 7405/1: "module.c::osl_getModuleURLFromAddress -
/Users/jsc/dev/svn/aoo_trunk/main/solver/410/unxmaccx.pro/lib/libuno_cppu.dylib.3
"
Trace 7405/1: "error: osl_getAsciiFunctionSymbol failed with
dlsym(0x7fa15ac24500, component_getImplementationEnvironmentExt): symbol
not found
"


Juergen

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FreeBSD patches (was: New SNAPSHOT available (based on r1560772))

[Herbert Duerr]

Hi Maho,

On 02/05/2014 05:24 AM, Nakata Maho wrote:
>> Questions:
>> 1. subject says 1560772 but 
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
>>  
>>says 1560773. Which is correct?

Strictly speaking the new SNAPSHOT tag was created in r1560773. It
tagged the revision 1560772. The latest change in the trunk that was
relevant for these were in revision 1560760.

The ASF subversion repository shares all the projects and branches, so
if you are checking out our trunk with any of the revision between the
last trunk-change and the creation of its tag (i.e. 1560760..1560773)
then you'll get exactly same sources. If you checked out the tag
directly then the latest SNAPSHOT revision 1560773..1564650 will do, as
the tag wasn't moved inbetween this revision range.

>> 2. Approve for FreeBSD patches
>> a. 
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-webdav?revision=342617&view=markup

The headers from ext_libraries/apr are "delivered" to
   main/solver/410/*/inc/apr/
so the change of the include directory from apr to apr-1 wouldn't work
for most of our platforms. Same for apr-util and serf. Is it possible to
tweak the order of include paths for FreeBSD, so that the include
statements could stay the same for all platforms?

> correct one is following.
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-webdav?revision=342631&view=co

I'm also not sure about this.
Oliver is our expert on the Serf/Ucb integration. Oliver could you
please have a look at the suggested patches above?

>> b. 
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-nss?revision=342426&view=markup

+1, looks good to me

>> 3. Weired error in canvas due to sal. What do you think?
>>
>> cf. 
>> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-sal?revision=342617&view=markup
>>
>> /work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/solver/410/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/rtl/string.hxx:237:5:
>>  error: 'rtl::OString::operator const sal_Char*() const' is private
>> /work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_textlayout.cxx:336:40:
>>  error: within this context
>> /work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_textlayout.cxx:
>>  In member function 'bool 
>> cairocanvas::TextLayout::draw(cairo::SurfaceSharedPtr&, OutputDevice&, const 
>> Point&, const com::sun::star::rendering::ViewState&, const 
>> com::sun::star::rendering::RenderState&) const':

Thanks for finding this! These implicit conversions are dangerous, so
better use the change from http://svn.apache.org/r1564650 instead.

Thanks for working on this!

Herbert

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Re: FreeBSD patches

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

On 05.02.2014 08:26, Herbert Duerr wrote:

Hi Maho,

On 02/05/2014 05:24 AM, Nakata Maho wrote:

Questions:
1. subject says 1560772 but

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds
says 1560773. Which is correct?


Strictly speaking the new SNAPSHOT tag was created in r1560773. It
tagged the revision 1560772. The latest change in the trunk that was
relevant for these were in revision 1560760.

The ASF subversion repository shares all the projects and branches, so
if you are checking out our trunk with any of the revision between the
last trunk-change and the creation of its tag (i.e. 1560760..1560773)
then you'll get exactly same sources. If you checked out the tag
directly then the latest SNAPSHOT revision 1560773..1564650 will do, as
the tag wasn't moved inbetween this revision range.


2. Approve for FreeBSD patches
a. 
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-webdav?revision=342617&view=markup


The headers from ext_libraries/apr are "delivered" to
main/solver/410/*/inc/apr/
so the change of the include directory from apr to apr-1 wouldn't work
for most of our platforms. Same for apr-util and serf. Is it possible to
tweak the order of include paths for FreeBSD, so that the include
statements could stay the same for all platforms?


correct one is following.
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-webdav?revision=342631&view=co


I'm also not sure about this.
Oliver is our expert on the Serf/Ucb integration. Oliver could you
please have a look at the suggested patches above?



These changes to the includes should also work for the other platforms.

Best regards, Oliver.


b. 
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-nss?revision=342426&view=markup


+1, looks good to me


3. Weired error in canvas due to sal. What do you think?

cf. 
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/editors/openoffice-devel/files/patch-sal?revision=342617&view=markup

/work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/solver/410/unxfbsdx.pro/inc/rtl/string.hxx:237:5:
 error: 'rtl::OString::operator const sal_Char*() const' is private
/work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_textlayout.cxx:336:40:
 error: within this context
/work/tinderbox-ligeti8amd64/portstrees/FreeBSD/ports/editors/openoffice-devel/work/aoo/main/canvas/source/cairo/cairo_textlayout.cxx:
 In member function 'bool cairocanvas::TextLayout::draw(cairo::SurfaceSharedPtr&, 
OutputDevice&, const Point&, const com::sun::star::rendering::ViewState&, const 
com::sun::star::rendering::RenderState&) const':


Thanks for finding this! These implicit conversions are dangerous, so
better use the change from http://svn.apache.org/r1564650 instead.

Thanks for working on this!

Herbert

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