Re: [Mac] Development environment

[Herbert Duerr]

Hi Tal,

Tal Daniel wrote:
> I'm desperate for some mentoring regarding setting up the dev environment.
> on the Mac. Herbert, can you direct me at the right direction, such as
> which IDE, what project settings,

The AOO build system is unfortunately not yet ready for a full IDE
integration. On this list there were already some good ideas on how to
improve the build system and we'll hopefully find time to work on it
again. As I personally work on multiple platforms their common
denominator, the command line, is my favorite IDE ;-)

With the rejuvente01 branch I started using XCode again, also because of
its debugger interface that uses LLDB in the backend. I wrote a helper
script to make AOO debugging with LLDB more convenient. Please see
   main/solenv/inc/lldb4aoo.py

To use it run lldb and enter
command script import path-to-script/lldb4aoo.py
or add that line to lldb's configuration file
~/.lldbinit
It mostly helps to view AOO's strings. As the ecosystem of OOo's string
classes was not one of its strong points this helper is quite useful.

> do you build a module externally, etc.

I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you mean how to build a
third-party module such as main/icu?

> Notes:
> I'm used to Eclipse; does Xcode have any benefits?

XCode integrates with LLDB and has some additional tools, e.g. for
profiling. But maybe there are extensions for Eclipse to do this too.

> Currently I'm oriented towards fixing BiDi parts (/sw?
> com.core.suncom.sun.star.text.XText? ... started reading the dev guide),

This is an API from the UNO framework. From a BiDi perspective it just
exposes the functionality provided by ICU's BiDi algorithm [1]. In AOO's
core BiDi is used in Writer (main/sw/source/core/text), EditEngine
(main/editeng/source/editeng/) and Vcl (mostly
main/vcl/source/gdi/outdev3.cxx 's OutputDevice::ImplLayout method), so
if there are BiDi problems you'll probably find the answer in their code.

[1] http://userguide.icu-project.org/transforms/bidi

> but maybe later I could help with the Mac OSX10.6 branch too.

As you see our nice project has plenty of work/fun opportunities all
over the place.

Before I forget it: For AOO set the tab-space to four (although I
personally would prefer ts=8 indentation, but the existing AOO codebase
assumes ts=4).

Herbert

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Re: Crowdfunding for Apache OpenOffice

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello, 

> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] 


> There's an ongoing discussion at
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201310.
> mbox/date
> that may offer some useful information even if the issue is slightly 
> different (a committer, in another Apache project, asking how to 
> properly use crowdfunding sites to gather money and be able to spend 
> more time on the project).

> This is correct. But, unless the scope is too narrow (or the code is 
> really bad!) often it will make sense to integrate the developed code 
> into Apache OpenOffice, so that the software is improved and the 
> community can count on a new developer.

> Indeed. But as Rob wrote it could help to have some links at least to 
> tell interested people the channels where they can find potential 
> developers.

Yes, I understand.

What can I say ... not everything that is useful for AOO, is particularly
important at the same time, and everything is useful only does not immediately
support the preferred AOO by itself

Example:
Apache stands for free software, and thus also for freedom, but that it is not
necessarily the task of Apache to treat general topics of freedom.
Apache could for example give hints/weblinks how to encrypt emails (that would
help people in dictatorships), but that is not the real object of Apache (imho)


Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: Crowdfunding for Apache OpenOffice

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello,

> From: Guy Waterval [mailto:waterval@gmail.com] 

> I think it is dangerous when "public" funds support a 
> developper in a free
> project in which companies are associated. Just today I had a 
> discussion
> with a Windows user saying he did not like the free projects 
> because he
> considered that in these models, the volunteers are the 
> losers and people
> who can commercially exploit the final product without 
> reverse anything to
> the project itself, the winners. It is a quite common opinion 
> among Windows
> users with whom I have the opportunity to discuss, probably 
> because they
> haven't the habit of free projects.
> This is why I find preferable (but this is only my personal 
> opinion) that a
> freelance developer should be paid only for his specific 
> mission, defined
> by donors, and should not be "integrated and under the control of the
> project" for questions of independence and transparency. This should
> reduced the desagreable comments, I think.

I understand what you're saying, but a detail I do not understand:

Why should it be relevant whether companies are integrated or not?

It is clear to me where the problem may be if you paid developers in freelance
projects for any work, and not for concrete work, paid for - but why should it,
_for that Contemplation_ be important whether collaborate companies or not?




Greetings,
Jörg


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Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Jaiprakash Dhanani]

Sir/Madam

 Slide Transitions
 Advance Slides
 on mouse click - this function is not functioning
  it has no effect wether
there is click or not in open office.org-Impress


Thanks

Jaiprakash Dhanani

091 09820686048

Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 14:12:22 +0530
Jaiprakash Dhanani  wrote:

> Sir/Madam
> 
>  Slide Transitions
>  Advance Slides
>  on mouse click - this function is not functioning
>   it has no effect wether
> there is click or not in open office.org-Impress
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jaiprakash Dhanani
> 
> 091 09820686048

Works OK for me on AOO 4.0.1 on Xubuntu 13.04


-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: Crowdfunding for Apache OpenOffice

[Andrea Pescetti]

Jörg Schmidt wrote:

Apache could for example give hints/weblinks how to encrypt emails (that would
help people in dictatorships), but that is not the real object of Apache


That would not be relevant to the project. But if someone has a budget 
to spend in improving Apache OpenOffice, this would be relevant to the 
project: it would be useful to him to learn that he cannot pay a 
developer through Apache, but that (with no involvement and no 
responsibilities for Apache) he can post his request on a third-party 
website.


Then, like all patches, this contribution may or may not be included in 
OpenOffice depending on licensing and technical merit. But at least we 
give some more visibility to the OpenOffice "ecosystem", quite similarly 
to what we do with consultants.


That said, I have very little experience with crowdfunding sites and I 
don't know what the best one would be to find OpenOffice developers.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Crowdfunding for Apache OpenOffice

[Guy Waterval]

Hi Jörg,


2013/10/5 Jörg Schmidt 

> Hello,
>
> > From: Guy Waterval [mailto:waterval@gmail.com]
>
> > I think it is dangerous when "public" funds support a
> > developper in a free
> > project in which companies are associated. Just today I had a
> > discussion
> > with a Windows user saying he did not like the free projects
> > because he
> > considered that in these models, the volunteers are the
> > losers and people
> > who can commercially exploit the final product without
> > reverse anything to
> > the project itself, the winners. It is a quite common opinion
> > among Windows
> > users with whom I have the opportunity to discuss, probably
> > because they
> > haven't the habit of free projects.
> > This is why I find preferable (but this is only my personal
> > opinion) that a
> > freelance developer should be paid only for his specific
> > mission, defined
> > by donors, and should not be "integrated and under the control of the
> > project" for questions of independence and transparency. This should
> > reduced the desagreable comments, I think.
>
> I understand what you're saying, but a detail I do not understand:
>
> Why should it be relevant whether companies are integrated or not?
>

When companies are involved in a project, they expect tangible returns of
their investments, it's a normal business rule. They have therefore a
significant weight on the development. It does not bother me, it's normal,
and I do not see such a big project as AOO able to evolve on a purely
community base, without the resources and help of external companies.
But maybe some communities could have different priorities and could wish
realize them  without the risk to be in minority if they try to realize
them from inside the AOO project. In this case, they might perhaps prefer
to invest for it themselves and keep a better visibility of the progress of
their project than if "their developers" are directly merged into the AOO
project. Only my opinion, of course.

A+
-- 
gw


>

review requested: [Bug 123384] [SVG] marker direction must not depend on length of path segment : [Attachment 81709] updated patch

[bugzilla]

Regina Henschel  has asked  for review:
Bug 123384: [SVG] marker direction must not depend on length of path segment
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123384

Attachment 81709: updated patch
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=81709&action=edit


--- Additional Comments from Regina Henschel 
Because "sal_uInt32 nIndex" the part "nIndex - 1" results in 0 and not in -1,
therefore, for the start of a closed path, the incoming path segment was not
considered.
I do not change the type, but make it positive before subtract of -1.

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review canceled: [Bug 123384] [SVG] marker direction must not depend on length of path segment : [Attachment 81687] normalize vectors, so that diagonal equals angle bisector

[bugzilla]

Regina Henschel  has canceled Regina Henschel
's request for review:
Bug 123384: [SVG] marker direction must not depend on length of path segment
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123384

Attachment 81687: normalize vectors, so that diagonal equals angle bisector
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=81687&action=edit


--- Additional Comments from Regina Henschel 
Because "sal_uInt32 nIndex" the part "nIndex - 1" results in 0 and not in -1,
therefore, for the start of a closed path, the incoming path segment was not
considered.
I do not change the type, but make it positive before subtract of -1.

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CD

[Edgardo Anaya]

I am in need of OO 3 CDs if there r any available Please. I am not a
corporation nor I am Rich. PLEASE Help.

Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 22/09/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:

Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was
nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be prepared
to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam


OpenOffice 4.0.1 in Vietnamese was released a few days ago. Now it would 
be a good moment to reopen the Vietnamese forum, and consider 
Vietnamese mailing lists after that.


I see that the topic at
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64457&p=286122
has no opposition, but no progress either.

All we need now is that Mr. Phan Anh registers on both
http://forum.openoffice.org/en
http://forum.openoffice.org/vi
with the same username and then posts to the topic above saying that he 
accepts to be a moderator, right?


Then we can reopen the forum and put a short announcement on
http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
and revisit the issue in a few weeks to check if the workload is manageable.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum

[Hagar Delest]

He need to register on the EN forum first. As soon as he's ready to moderate 
the VI forum, a super admin (Drew is the only one active I think) will be 
needed to promote him admin of the VI forum. Then we can reopen the VI forum.

Hagar

Le 05/10/2013 15:46, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :


On 22/09/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:

Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was
nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be prepared
to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam


OpenOffice 4.0.1 in Vietnamese was released a few days ago. Now it would be a 
good moment to reopen the Vietnamese forum, and consider Vietnamese mailing 
lists after that.

I see that the topic at
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64457&p=286122
has no opposition, but no progress either.

All we need now is that Mr. Phan Anh registers on both
http://forum.openoffice.org/en
http://forum.openoffice.org/vi
with the same username and then posts to the topic above saying that he accepts 
to be a moderator, right?

Then we can reopen the forum and put a short announcement on
http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
and revisit the issue in a few weeks to check if the workload is manageable.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum

[Drew Jensen]

I am? I would of thought you guys nixed my account long ago.. OK - well,
let me know when and I'll go do it.


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:

> He need to register on the EN forum first. As soon as he's ready to
> moderate the VI forum, a super admin (Drew is the only one active I think)
> will be needed to promote him admin of the VI forum. Then we can reopen the
> VI forum.
>
> Hagar
>
> Le 05/10/2013 15:46, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
>
>
>  On 22/09/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:
>>
>>> Please remember that the Vietnamese forum was closed because there was
>>> nobody left to moderate it. So as soon as we open it again, be prepared
>>> to spend some time approving genuine posts among spam
>>>
>>
>> OpenOffice 4.0.1 in Vietnamese was released a few days ago. Now it would
>> be a good moment to reopen the Vietnamese forum, and consider Vietnamese
>> mailing lists after that.
>>
>> I see that the topic at
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**
>> 64457&p=286122
>> has no opposition, but no progress either.
>>
>> All we need now is that Mr. Phan Anh registers on both
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/vi
>> with the same username and then posts to the topic above saying that he
>> accepts to be a moderator, right?
>>
>> Then we can reopen the forum and put a short announcement on
>> http://www.openoffice.org/vi/
>> and revisit the issue in a few weeks to check if the workload is
>> manageable.
>>
>> Regards,
>>Andrea.
>>
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Re: [API] Deploy OpenOffice 4.0 jars to apache repository?

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi,

no need for [API] tag anymore, there is a dedicated mailing list:
a...@openoffice.apache.org

where this haven been discussed:
http://markmail.org/message/4nydhzzou7pxn5xu

On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 03:54:31PM +1000, Tim Anderson wrote:
> Hi,
> what's required to get the 4.0 API jars deployed to
> repository.apache.org?

requirements are listed here:
http://www.apache.org/dev/repository-faq.html
http://www.apache.org/dev/publishing-maven-artifacts.html


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: CD

[Drew Jensen]

Howdy Edgardo,

Well, the project doesn't maintain a CD any longer, in fact it never had
one that a person could ask for though it would hand them out at
conferences (also a thing of the past), the disk image was simply available
for download.

I suppose you need this disk image ASAP? There is a disk image from an
older release which I could update to 4.0.1 fairly quickly, it would not be
from the project and I could not make it look like it was and you would
have to buy it (~5.00 US) on the upside I could include additional items
(extensions) that the project will not include.

So, if you could wait a week perhaps I could help, but no sooner then that.

//drew


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Edgardo Anaya  wrote:

> I am in need of OO 3 CDs if there r any available Please. I am not a
> corporation nor I am Rich. PLEASE Help.
>

Re: Facebook Likes Almost Tripled Since February

[Drew Jensen]

Hi

Are you by chance the admin for the fb page, I've requested to join so as
to upload a few items, still waiting for the request to be cleared - so
thought I'd ask.

Thanks

//drew


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Samer Mansour  wrote:

> Hey Everyone,
>
> Awesome realization, I was documenting some changes to our social profiles
> (screen captures), and since February 8th, 2013 we went from just over
> 3,500 likes to just under 9,400 likes today.
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34834928/facebook-account.png
>
> https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO
>
> If you haven't yet done it, like us on facebook!  That six degrees of
> separation will help us get announcements out on social media like a wild
> fire!  Your friends might like us too.
>
> Likes gives us a chance to enter people's news feed (a chance in the flood
> of other updates, but still a chance).
>
> Samer
>

Please Email Me the Word and PDF Formats User Guides for the Stated ProGrams

[abc87]

Apache OpenOffice user interface: a general description of the Apache
OpenOffice user interface

Formatting a document: describes the different options the users have
to shape a document

Find & Replace: Apache OpenOffice has a powerful tool to find text
and/or formatting

Autocorrect options: An editing tool that permits to automate several
substitution tasks like correcting misspelled words

Supported file formats: Apache OpenOffice can read and write a large
number of file formats

Extensions: Adding more functionality to Apache OpenOffice

General options: General configuration options that affect the whole
suite

"CookBook": quick tips for specific tasks

Writer guide: A complete guide for Writer, the word processor
component. This link leads to an index

Calc guide: A complete guide for Calc, the spreadsheet component.
This link leads to an index

Impress guide: A complete guide for Impress, the presentation
component. This link leads to an index

Draw guide: A complete guide for Draw, the vector drawing tool
component. This link leads to an index

Math guide: A complete guide for Math, the equation editor component
that you can use in other components. This link leads to an index

Base guide: A complete guide for Base, the database component. This
link leads to an index

Advanced topics: Regular expressions, programming macros, graphite
font technology...

Integrating components: A Chart inside your presentation? Inserting
data from your bibliographic database on your text document?

I'm ready to give up on Open Office

[Bob Lee]

I've been using Open Office for my personal use for years.  Ever since
"upgrading" to 4.0, I've been having more problems with the program
randomly crashing than all of the years before.  And each time it crashes,
I have to rebuild half the data and all of the formatting because the
recovery function is an absolute joke.

I've tried using Libre Office, but I don't like how they handled certain
functions.  I've just upgraded to OO 4.01, but the next time this damn
thing crashed I'm uninstalling it and I'll find something else to use, even
if that means having to shell out money for MSOffice.

Its just so sad to see what this once great open source product has become.

Bob Lee
Merrimack, NH

You know what, forget my last email

[Bob Lee]

I'VE GOT REBUILD MY WHOLE GOD DAMN FINANCIAL SPREADSHEET NOW!

I'm through with this shit.  The random crashes always screw something up
in my spreadsheets, but this time all the damn functions and formulas I've
been developing over the course of several years don't work anymore.  I'VE
GOT TO START 4 YEARS OF WORK ALL OVER FROM SCRATCH!!

Goodbye
Bob Lee
Merrimack, NH

Re: [Mac] Development environment

[Tal Daniel]

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:

> Hi Tal,
>
> Tal Daniel wrote:
> > I'm desperate for some mentoring regarding setting up the dev
> environment.
> > on the Mac. Herbert, can you direct me at the right direction, such as
> > which IDE, what project settings,...
>

>
I wrote a helper
> script to make AOO debugging with LLDB more convenient. Please see
>main/solenv/inc/lldb4aoo.py
>
> To use it run lldb and enter
> command script import path-to-script/lldb4aoo.py
> or add that line to lldb's configuration file
> ~/.lldbinit
> It mostly helps to view AOO's strings. As the ecosystem of OOo's string
> classes was not one of its strong points this helper is quite useful.
>

Thanks, I'll try that, when I get the hang of Xcode, I have no experience
dev in Xcode yet.



> > do you build a module externally, etc.
>
> I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you mean how to build a
> third-party module such as main/icu?
>

Yes, e.g, when you're done editing a cxx file, you enter the folder of that
module, build it, then back to instsetoo_native, and build --all?



> > Notes:
> > I'm used to Eclipse; does Xcode have any benefits?
>
> XCode integrates with LLDB and has some additional tools, e.g. for
> profiling. But maybe there are extensions for Eclipse to do this too.
>
> > Currently I'm oriented towards fixing BiDi parts (/sw?
> > com.core.suncom.sun.star.text.XText? ... started reading the dev guide),
>
> This is an API from the UNO framework. From a BiDi perspective it just
> exposes the functionality provided by ICU's BiDi algorithm [1]. In AOO's
> core BiDi is used in Writer (main/sw/source/core/text), EditEngine
> (main/editeng/source/editeng/) and Vcl (mostly
> main/vcl/source/gdi/outdev3.cxx 's OutputDevice::ImplLayout method), so
> if there are BiDi problems you'll probably find the answer in their code.
>
> [1] http://userguide.icu-project.org/transforms/bidi


Wow, nice references... thanks! I've tried to edit some code today, in
editeng/source/editeng/impedit2.cxx, but nothing had an effect on the final
app, after I installed it. Strange. I'll try the other locations you
referred me to, later on this week.

BTW, do files with different indexes target different OS/platforms? i.e.
impedit.cxx, impedit[2-4].cxx


[...]

Before I forget it: For AOO set the tab-space to four (although I
> personally would prefer ts=8 indentation, but the existing AOO codebase
> assumes ts=4).
>
>
Tab space 4 is my Xcode's default. thanks.

Re: You know what, forget my last email

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Bob Lee  wrote:
> I'VE GOT REBUILD MY WHOLE GOD DAMN FINANCIAL SPREADSHEET NOW!
>

Hi Bob,

It might save you some time if you explain your configuration and
symptoms in a new post on our support forums:

http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/

We're not aware of any widespread crash issues with OpenOffice 4.0.1
nor are we aware of any broken spreadsheet formulas.  Rather than
rebuild everything it might be worth reviewing first on the support
forums.

Regards,

-Rob

> I'm through with this shit.  The random crashes always screw something up
> in my spreadsheets, but this time all the damn functions and formulas I've
> been developing over the course of several years don't work anymore.  I'VE
> GOT TO START 4 YEARS OF WORK ALL OVER FROM SCRATCH!!
>
> Goodbye
> Bob Lee
> Merrimack, NH

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Re: Facebook Likes Almost Tripled Since February

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Drew Jensen  wrote:
> Hi
>
> Are you by chance the admin for the fb page, I've requested to join so as
> to upload a few items, still waiting for the request to be cleared - so
> thought I'd ask.
>

Where/when did you make this request?

-Rob

> Thanks
>
> //drew
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Samer Mansour  wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone,
>>
>> Awesome realization, I was documenting some changes to our social profiles
>> (screen captures), and since February 8th, 2013 we went from just over
>> 3,500 likes to just under 9,400 likes today.
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34834928/facebook-account.png
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO
>>
>> If you haven't yet done it, like us on facebook!  That six degrees of
>> separation will help us get announcements out on social media like a wild
>> fire!  Your friends might like us too.
>>
>> Likes gives us a chance to enter people's news feed (a chance in the flood
>> of other updates, but still a chance).
>>
>> Samer
>>

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review requested: [Bug 119118] z command in d attribute in svg sets the 'current point' wrong : [Attachment 81710] Set current point correctly and allow non moveto after z

[bugzilla]

Regina Henschel  has asked  for review:
Bug 119118: z command in d attribute in svg sets the 'current point' wrong
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119118

Attachment 81710: Set current point correctly and allow non moveto after z
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=81710&action=edit


--- Additional Comments from Regina Henschel 
With the current implementation of the property "closed" it is not possible to
match svg:d totally. Reasoning: svg:d allows, that after a z command, other
commands than m,M may follow. Especially it is possible to use lines. In AOO
the end of this lines are connected to the start point because the property
"close" cannot be set to a part of the path. Despite the mentioned fix in LO,
LO 4.2 shows such svg-graphics still wrong.

My idea is, to finish the path after a z command in any case. If a open path
end in svg:d follows after z, it remains open in AOO. This way marker-ends are
drawn correctly, the shape itself looks correct, and no additional line
appears.

The shortcoming is, that the separated subpath generates an additional
marker-mid at the connecting point, and that this marker and the marker-mid of
the close part in this point, have the wrong direction. And I see no way to
detect a true moveto from such pseudo moveto, which will affect solutions for
bug 123410.

I assume that a wrong marker-mid is not so bad as a wrong marker-end or as
additional lines for shape closing. Therefore I suggest to use this patch, till
there will be at some time a change in the implementation of draw:path.

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Re: File needed, Kid for 4.0.1 (trunk)

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 28/09/2013 janI wrote:

I will use "keyid".
Do you know if I need to change somewhere in the code itself also ?


I don't know. For a normal language it would probably make sense to have 
a look at

main/i18npool/source/localedata/data
too, but in the case of "keyid" this is a fake language (we don't 
support text written in the "keyid" language, obviously) so it might be 
that what you did is enough.



I have btw changed xx_XX to xx-XX in branch l10n40, so we dont have a mix
of _ and -.


main/i18npool/source/localedata/data consistently uses underscores. On 
the other hand, the old "extras/l10n/source" consistently uses dashes... 
so I don't know which one is best here. If there's a way to adopt a 
common convention, very good.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: I'm ready to give up on Open Office

[Vladislav Stevanovic]

Hello Bob,

I am just another user of Oo like you. Your letter shows me that you really
love Oo but, problems push you in that way that your are now disappointed.
And I had some bad experiences in my one business with Oo in the past, but
I learned one rule: If there is some bug and makes me problems, I just
install previous version. I now how that is frustrating to using an old
version of Oo! But, we both now that this is open source, there is no
enough developers, and bug fixes are not so fast as we want. Maybe for you
is solution to switch on other office package, but here is also an
alternative for you: go to Bugzilla, reported your problem, and see what
will be happens. I reported several bugs, and in reasonably period they are
fixed. So, if you want to help us and yourself, please feel you freely to
report issue, attached your example and describe in detail what is the
problem. That bug we cannot solve without you.

Best regards,
Wlada ( also one of users who really want to see  Oo  as much better,
faster, without bugs office software)


2013/10/5 Bob Lee 

> I've been using Open Office for my personal use for years.  Ever since
> "upgrading" to 4.0, I've been having more problems with the program
> randomly crashing than all of the years before.  And each time it crashes,
> I have to rebuild half the data and all of the formatting because the
> recovery function is an absolute joke.
>
> I've tried using Libre Office, but I don't like how they handled certain
> functions.  I've just upgraded to OO 4.01, but the next time this damn
> thing crashed I'm uninstalling it and I'll find something else to use, even
> if that means having to shell out money for MSOffice.
>
> Its just so sad to see what this once great open source product has become.
>
> Bob Lee
> Merrimack, NH
>

Re: [Discuss-proposal]Admin mail box for NLs forum

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2013/10/2 janI 

> On 2 October 2013 22:18, Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:
>
> > New forum users with registration problems do not have an easy way to
> > communicate their problems to the board. In the past there was an email
> > address that sent an automated message to a particular forum thread on
> the
> > private forum area. This system is not working since the move to Apache.
> > Until the automated reply is re-activated, a simple mail box for each NL
> > forum, accessible to forum admins and moderators will be more than
> enough,
> > something like forum-admin-@aoo.
> >
>
> the automated message looks to be a simple configuration in php2bb, at
> least as far as I can see. This could be a good challenge for new admins
> (working in line with the proposal dave works on).
>


Thanks, Ian,

But even if simple, we need first an email address for each forum so users
can send a message. If there is an automated response then better, but
right now there is no way for a new user to "call for help".

The only alternative forums have now (and as a matter of fact, it is being
considered) is to open a mail box on a free mail server and to share the
log-in information between moderators and admins, promoting that address on
the forum itself. But that's a really suboptimal "solution": writing to a
yahoo or gmail address to communicate to the "official community forum of
Apache OpenOffice project" will not be right, I think: something more
"official" will be far better.

Regards,
Ricardo




>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
>
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ricardo
> >
>

Edwardian Script in your Text Doc

[cheryl tonkin]

Hi there,

I have used Open Office now for years but on my latest download/update I
found that EDWARDIAN SCRIPT was no longer available.

Can you please place it back in as I use it with my presentation
certificates.

Thanks

C