A question about existing practices

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello,

By a request in the forum 
(http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61365), I get the information, 
the Issue #3959 was not implemented since 2002, although he has already 
received 355 votes.

(Note: the implementation of the issues is not particularly important to me, I 
personally have not even voted for it.)

I know it, earlier in OpenOffice, org, not practice was unfortunately votes 
cast for issues as direct, binding standard for their implementation to 
consider, But how is that today?.

It is clear to me the AOO is created by volunteers who choose their detailed 
tasks themselves, but should we not also be a concern comply with the interests 
of the users of AOO?
That would not only be of practical benefit to users, but would also enhance 
the reputation of AOO, as in the practice oriented project.

Why the latter is important?
I think because of the positive reputation of AOO in public grow the number of 
our supporters (sponsors, supporters, developers) will be.

My view:
We should not emulate LibreOffice because LibreOffice may be innovative, but 
public statements about quality and consistency of LibreOffice are devastating.
For example, the chairman of the FroDeV spoke (a German association for the 
promotion of free software) this publicly recently plain text, see:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.discuss.german/13802
(Sorry only in German)



My questions are:

Are there any agreements which result to have the number of votes for an issue? 
Is there some agreement that a high number of votes to be reason, the 
implementation of Issues to be considered as a priority?

What is your basic view on this?


Greetings
Jörg


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AOO logo for special purposes?

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello,

Are there any designs for a stylized AOO logo?

What I mean for example would a combination of the Apache feather with the 
OO-gulls.

Why?
I think the normal AOO logo is official amount for purposes such as Pins 
unsuitable.


I have created 2 Drafts, what I mean, but I'm not a good graphic designer. 

http://www.calc-info.de/files/Apache-OO_example1.jpg
http://www.calc-info.de/files/Apache-OO_example2.jpg


Can someone better and can help to create a suitable design?


greeting
Jörg


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Re: Tutorial: dedicated website

[FR web forum]

>I don't see a big advantage in terms of usability between the MWiki we 
>already have and any other CMS.
Well, why Extensions or Templates website don't use MWiki in this case?
You must think to end-users that have write a tutorial. 
A Wiki need to have specific skill to publish.

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Re: A question about existing practices

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> By a request in the forum 
> (http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61365), I get the information, 
> the Issue #3959 was not implemented since 2002, although he has already 
> received 355 votes.
>
> (Note: the implementation of the issues is not particularly important to me, 
> I personally have not even voted for it.)
>
> I know it, earlier in OpenOffice, org, not practice was unfortunately votes 
> cast for issues as direct, binding standard for their implementation to 
> consider, But how is that today?.
>

Binding?  No.  But it might be a valuable source of feedback, among
other sources.

> It is clear to me the AOO is created by volunteers who choose their detailed 
> tasks themselves, but should we not also be a concern comply with the 
> interests of the users of AOO?

I'm not sure votes from 2002 are the most accurate way of determining
what users want.  For example, I think we'd agree that the
most-critical issue in 3.4.1 is the profile-related crash.  But the
Bugzilla issue for this has received *zero* votes:

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.discuss.german/13802

So I wonder whether the way users interact with Bugzilla is different
today?  Maybe they are not so much aware of voting?   I had the
impression that previously voting was more "political", and users
would lobby for votes on mailing lists, etc.  We don't see that today.

> That would not only be of practical benefit to users, but would also enhance 
> the reputation of AOO, as in the practice oriented project.
>
> Why the latter is important?
> I think because of the positive reputation of AOO in public grow the number 
> of our supporters (sponsors, supporters, developers) will be.
>

IMHO, there is what users really want, which is something abstract
which we can only know imperfectly.  And then there are sources of
information that indicate what that might be.  Votes are one source of
info, but not the only source, and probably not the best source, at
least how they are used (or not used) today.

> My view:
> We should not emulate LibreOffice because LibreOffice may be innovative, but 
> public statements about quality and consistency of LibreOffice are 
> devastating.
> For example, the chairman of the FroDeV spoke (a German association for the 
> promotion of free software) this publicly recently plain text, see:
> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.discuss.german/13802
> (Sorry only in German)
>

When I bought my first house, and finally got out of an apartment, I
had the opportunity to have a big garden.  I always wanted to have my
own garden, to grow what I wanted, to experiment with new plants, to
do everything I always wanted to do.  So I made a big garden: flowers,
vegetables, berries, fruit trees, etc., 3000 square feet of garden.

But by the middle of the summer the weeds started growing.  At first I
was outside every day fighting the weeds.  I tried all the recommended
techniques, but it was still labor intensive. Eventually the weeds
won.  Why?   My garden was too big for the resources I had.

I remember how good I felt in March and April, planting all the
flowers, as well as how bad I felt in August when looking at all the
weeds.

The secret of gardening is picking the right size garden, no bigger
than one that you can successfully maintain.

-Rob

>
>
> My questions are:
>
> Are there any agreements which result to have the number of votes for an 
> issue? Is there some agreement that a high number of votes to be reason, the 
> implementation of Issues to be considered as a priority?
>
> What is your basic view on this?
>
>
> Greetings
> Jörg
>
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Re:Re: How do I add a new template to install the package with a separate classification

[Yi]

Hi ,

>But maybe  you can introduce yourself to the community and give us
>little bit background information.

Thanks for your reply, but I think I have introduced myself before.
-
2013/1/7
Hello All,
My name is Yi, from China, interested in joining the opensource community to 
gain some experience. My interest lies in C++. I have got my own build on 
Windows XP with a MSVC 2008 Express .
I am interested in Writer. What can I do next?
Kind regards
Yi
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>"2" is not very intuitive and your email address is also not self
>explaining. It's common practice that people introduce themselves on the
>mailing list.
Thisismynegligence, I did not noticethemailboxsettings, I changed right now!

if some one know how to fix my question below , please tell me ,thanks!

>> How do I add a new template to install the package with a separate 
>> classification, I add some templates in here 
>> “D:\aoo\main\extras\source\templates\presnt\lang\en-US” before building, but 
>> it doesn't work
>> 






At 2013-03-13 22:45:32,"Jürgen Schmidt"  wrote:
>On 3/13/13 3:09 PM, 2 wrote:
>> Hi,
>> How do I add a new template to install the package with a separate 
>> classification, I add some templates in here 
>> “D:\aoo\main\extras\source\templates\presnt\lang\en-US” before building, but 
>> it doesn't work
>> 
>
>I can't help because I don't know it.
>
>But maybe  you can introduce yourself to the community and give us
>little bit background information.
>
>"2" is not very intuitive and your email address is also not self
>explaining. It's common practice that people introduce themselves on the
>mailing list.
>
>Kind regards and welcome at Apache OpenOffice
>
>Juergen
>
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Re:Re: [Call-for-Review] code changes for more powerful smarttag extensions

[Yi]

Hi,
What I mean isthatI would liketo participate in development of this extension




At 2013-03-13 22:33:43,"Jürgen Schmidt"  wrote:
>On 3/13/13 3:04 PM, 2 wrote:
>> Hi,  this is a wonderful extension, I would like to take a look, how can I 
>> get it?
>
>you can't get the extension at the moment and it would not help you. The
>extension works only with a server backend and/or a valid account.
>
>And I think the extension is still under development...
>
>
>Juergen
>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 在 2013-03-13 21:30:26，"Jürgen Schmidt"  写道：
>>> On 2/7/13 5:30 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 On 2/7/13 5:08 PM, Kai Labusch wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm a colleague of Robert Barbey at Acrolinx and I'm working on the 
> OpenOffice 
> Writer integration of our client-server text-processing solution.
> Currently, we already have a working writer extension that has been 
> implemented in java and provides the functionality we need. 
> For the implementation, we had to modify the AOO sources and add/change 
> some 
> API-functions/interfaces.
>
> Robert already posted a call-for-review for a modification of the 
> XSmartTagRecognizer interface ("[Call-for-Review] Extension to 
> XSmartTagRecognizer interface", 
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121391). We modified this 
> patch 
> request according to suggestions of Ariel and Jürgen and submitted a new 
> patch 
> request that is also mentioned in this post.
>
> During development of our writer extension we stumbled on a number of 
> issues 
> where we felt the need to modify something within AOO. 
> The purpose of this post is to provide a summary of these changes and to 
> ask 
> for comments and input since there might be better ways to solve the 
> problems 
> we had without the need to change something within AOO.
>
> We splitted all the modifications in five different patch-sets where each 
> patch-set contains a number of changes that belong to a common aspect.
> We submitted the patch-sets via bugzilla and I will refer to them in this 
> post 
> later on.
>
> First, as a motivation, I would like to describe the most important 
> aspects of 
> what our writer extension does:
>
> The extension adds a toolbar and menu to the writer application. The menu 
> and 
> toolbar have a "check"-button/entry that can be used in order to 
> simultaneously check the document for different types of issues.
>
> Among others, issues can be:
> - spelling errors
> - grammar errors
> - style rules (like "Don't use Future tense", "Don't use passive voice")
> - reuse (use a different/better phrase that already has been approved due 
> to 
> some reason)
> - terminology (use a different word)
> - sentence break missing
> - broken link
> - sentence too long
> - wrong capitalization
>
> If the user clicks the check-button, the writer extension would extract 
> the 
> text of the document and send it to a server application. 
> The server application performs a linguistic analysis of the document and 
> creates a report of all issues that have been identified. 
> The writer extension then receives the report and marks the issues within 
> the 
> writer document. 
>
> For each issue, a smarttag is shown where its type is depicted by the 
> color of 
> the smarttag line (colors can be configured, for instance: spelling -> 
> red, 
> grammar -> blue,  style-> green ...). 
>
> The extension does not only send the text of the document to the 
> linguistic 
> server but also context information like character-style,  
> paragraph-style, 
> font-type. The linguistic rules within the server application are context 
> sensitive, i.e., they might behave differently  depending on the context 
> of a 
> particular part of the text (for instance different capitalization in 
> titles).
>
> Furthermore, they are also  context sensitive with respect to the 
> surrounding 
> text, i.e., it is not sufficient to consider only one or two words (for 
> instance "sentence too long"). The context can be quite large since the 
> system 
> can be configured so that certain document structures (entire paragraphs, 
> footnotes, image captions...)  are considered as parenthetic elements 
> which 
> are removed from the normal text-flow or completely ignored. Since the 
> outcome 
> of the checking process can depend on the entire document, it is not 
> possible 
> to perform the check based on a part of the text as it is done in some 
> proofreading APIs.
>
> Due to the reasons mentioned above, it is neccessary that the smarttag 
> extension can globally identify and localize a particular part of the 
> text 
> with

Re: A question about existing practices

[Jörg Schmidt]

> But it might be a valuable source of feedback, among
> other sources.

So maybe some kind of (a little bit) bond? In this respect, we agree that the 
desire for feedback only makes sense if one is willing to consider this 
feedback.

(Please, this is not an accusation, because I'm sure the feedback is taken into 
account - I just wanted to say once how one can understand, namely as binding 
to wishes of the users.)

> I'm not sure votes from 2002 are the most accurate way of determining
> what users want. 

I do not know that. I noticed only the number of votes as I was reading the 
issue.

> Maybe they are not so much aware of voting?

yes, possible.

> I had the
> impression that previously voting was more "political", 
> and users
> would lobby for votes on mailing lists, etc.

yes, that is should be so. But it is not always negative, because lobbying can 
be useful.

> IMHO, there is what users really want, which is something abstract
> which we can only know imperfectly.

I agree with you completely here. At the same time I think it is important that 
we try to develop skills in order to better understand user.

I say this because I am someone who can program, but not a programmer however 
in a literal sense, and I'm also someone of something of the mindset of users 
understood, without which I would be an expert in public relations.

> When I bought my first house, and finally got out of an apartment, I
> had the opportunity to have a big garden.  I always wanted to have my
> own garden, to grow what I wanted, to experiment with new plants, to
> do everything I always wanted to do.  So I made a big garden: flowers,
> vegetables, berries, fruit trees, etc., 3000 square feet of garden.
> 
> But by the middle of the summer the weeds started growing.  At first I
> was outside every day fighting the weeds.  I tried all the recommended
> techniques, but it was still labor intensive. Eventually the weeds
> won.  Why?   My garden was too big for the resources I had.
> 
> I remember how good I felt in March and April, planting all the
> flowers, as well as how bad I felt in August when looking at all the
> weeds.
> 
> The secret of gardening is picking the right size garden, no bigger
> than one that you can successfully maintain.

Yes, a very illustrative description. 

by the way: I enjoy gardening.



Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: A question about existing practices

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
>> But it might be a valuable source of feedback, among
>> other sources.
>
> So maybe some kind of (a little bit) bond? In this respect, we agree that the 
> desire for feedback only makes sense if one is willing to consider this 
> feedback.
>
> (Please, this is not an accusation, because I'm sure the feedback is taken 
> into account - I just wanted to say once how one can understand, namely as 
> binding to wishes of the users.)
>
>> I'm not sure votes from 2002 are the most accurate way of determining
>> what users want.
>
> I do not know that. I noticed only the number of votes as I was reading the 
> issue.
>
>> Maybe they are not so much aware of voting?
>
> yes, possible.
>
>> I had the
>> impression that previously voting was more "political",
>> and users
>> would lobby for votes on mailing lists, etc.
>
> yes, that is should be so. But it is not always negative, because lobbying 
> can be useful.
>

But if only a small minority of users know about voting, and we have a
large collection of ancient votes, then the votes are less meaningful
and relevant.  That's my main concern.  I don't believe that the vote
counts necessarily reflect current reality.  Look at the requests we
received when we did the Google Moderator feedback requests.  To me
that is more meaningful, since it is more current.

One way to improve this might be to remind users about voting via a
blog post.  If we have more users involved in voting it becomes more
meaningful.   Maybe even wipe out old votes, so we are looking at
actual current user wants.  Then make votes more visible by creating
periodic reports on issues with the most votes.  And when we fix an
issue that had a lot of votes, maybe we blog about that.

-Rob

>> IMHO, there is what users really want, which is something abstract
>> which we can only know imperfectly.
>
> I agree with you completely here. At the same time I think it is important 
> that we try to develop skills in order to better understand user.
>
> I say this because I am someone who can program, but not a programmer however 
> in a literal sense, and I'm also someone of something of the mindset of users 
> understood, without which I would be an expert in public relations.
>
>> When I bought my first house, and finally got out of an apartment, I
>> had the opportunity to have a big garden.  I always wanted to have my
>> own garden, to grow what I wanted, to experiment with new plants, to
>> do everything I always wanted to do.  So I made a big garden: flowers,
>> vegetables, berries, fruit trees, etc., 3000 square feet of garden.
>>
>> But by the middle of the summer the weeds started growing.  At first I
>> was outside every day fighting the weeds.  I tried all the recommended
>> techniques, but it was still labor intensive. Eventually the weeds
>> won.  Why?   My garden was too big for the resources I had.
>>
>> I remember how good I felt in March and April, planting all the
>> flowers, as well as how bad I felt in August when looking at all the
>> weeds.
>>
>> The secret of gardening is picking the right size garden, no bigger
>> than one that you can successfully maintain.
>
> Yes, a very illustrative description.
>
> by the way: I enjoy gardening.
>
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
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Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])

[imacat]

Hmm... we seem to lost the forums now.
I'd written to the infra team for help on reboot.  We shall see later.

On 2013/03/13 18:22, janI said:
> HI.
> 
> It sounds more like a mismatch between the number of httpd worker tasks and
> mysql max_connections. It is important that max_connections is higher than
> the number of work tasks (or with fast-cgi the number of php processes).
> When correctly configured you will just experience longer reply times, when
> the server is busy and no sql errors.
> 
> I fixed a similar problem on mwiki as part of the upgrade, but I do not
> have access the vm where the forum runs.
> 
> rgds
> Jan I.
> 
> On 13 March 2013 11:15, FR web forum  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> Forums are outage again this morning with same error.
>> Maybe the MySQL max_connections parameter must be increase.
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[BUG 121722][IMPLEMENTATION] IMCSCH and IMSECH calculate wrong

[Maarten Kesselaers]

Hi,

In the bug report 121722 is stated that the functions IMCSCH and IMSECH 
calculate wrong.
If I compare (see below), then I can only state that this is a bug.

IMCSCH(“4+3i”)  IMDIV(1;IMSINH("4+3i"))
-1.98126088062431-0.282421953026095i-0.0362758896286261-0.00517447318401941i


IMSECH(“4+3i”)  IMDIV(1;IMCOSH(“4+3i”))
-1.97871030322975-0.2820582499879i  -0.0362534969158689-0.00516434460775319i
But in the documentation 
(http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Calc:_IMSECH_function), 
there is the following :
[quote]
IMSECH( z ) is equivalent to IMDIV(1;IMCOSH( z )).
To get better accuracy it is not implemented that way
[unquote]
So apparently, this was an implementation decision, but I believe that the 
differences are to big.
Can anyone clarify me if it should be fixed and which implementation should be 
preferred?

Thanks,
Regards,
Maarten

Re: [BUG 121722][IMPLEMENTATION] IMCSCH and IMSECH calculate wrong

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Maarten,


Maarten Kesselaers schrieb:

Hi,

In the bug report 121722 is stated that the functions IMCSCH and IMSECH 
calculate wrong.
If I compare (see below), then I can only state that this is a bug.

IMCSCH(“4+3i”)  IMDIV(1;IMSINH("4+3i"))
-1.98126088062431-0.282421953026095i-0.0362758896286261-0.00517447318401941i


IMSECH(“4+3i”)  IMDIV(1;IMCOSH(“4+3i”))
-1.97871030322975-0.2820582499879i  -0.0362534969158689-0.00516434460775319i
But in the documentation 
(http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Calc:_IMSECH_function), 
there is the following :
[quote]
IMSECH( z ) is equivalent to IMDIV(1;IMCOSH( z )).
To get better accuracy it is not implemented that way
[unquote]
So apparently, this was an implementation decision, but I believe that the 
differences are to big.
Can anyone clarify me if it should be fixed and which implementation should be 
preferred?


The answer is in the bug report:
"The correct formula can be found at 
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekans_Hyperbolicus_und_Kosekans_Hyperbolicus#Komplexes_Argument";


Kind regards
Regina


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Re: [BUG][FIXED] 121722 IMCSCH and IMSECH calculate wrong

[Maarten Kesselaers]

Hi,

I've fixed this bug and added the patch to BugZilla.
Can someone please verify?

Thanks,
Regards,
Maarten
On 14 Mar 2013, at 19:29, Regina Henschel wrote:

> Hi Maarten,
> 
> 
> Maarten Kesselaers schrieb:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In the bug report 121722 is stated that the functions IMCSCH and IMSECH 
>> calculate wrong.
>> If I compare (see below), then I can only state that this is a bug.
>> 
>> IMCSCH(“4+3i”)   IMDIV(1;IMSINH("4+3i"))
>> -1.98126088062431-0.282421953026095i -0.0362758896286261-0.00517447318401941i
>> 
>> 
>> IMSECH(“4+3i”)   IMDIV(1;IMCOSH(“4+3i”))
>> -1.97871030322975-0.2820582499879i   -0.0362534969158689-0.00516434460775319i
>> But in the documentation 
>> (http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Calc:_IMSECH_function),
>>  there is the following :
>> [quote]
>> IMSECH( z ) is equivalent to IMDIV(1;IMCOSH( z )).
>> To get better accuracy it is not implemented that way
>> [unquote]
>> So apparently, this was an implementation decision, but I believe that the 
>> differences are to big.
>> Can anyone clarify me if it should be fixed and which implementation should 
>> be preferred?
> 
> The answer is in the bug report:
> "The correct formula can be found at 
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekans_Hyperbolicus_und_Kosekans_Hyperbolicus#Komplexes_Argument";
> 
> Kind regards
> Regina
> 
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Re: AOO logo for special purposes?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Are there any designs for a stylized AOO logo?
>
> What I mean for example would a combination of the Apache feather with the 
> OO-gulls.
>
> Why?
> I think the normal AOO logo is official amount for purposes such as Pins 
> unsuitable.
>

We've done some special logo variation.  For example, Drew made the
"Get it here" logo:  http://openoffice.apache.org/get-it-here.html

>From a trademark perspective, this can be a good idea to keep the
original logo for use only in the product and the website, but then
create special, but related logos for other things.

(Also, I think there are more graphics people on the marketing list,
so you might want to ask the same question there)

-Rob

>
> I have created 2 Drafts, what I mean, but I'm not a good graphic designer.
>
> http://www.calc-info.de/files/Apache-OO_example1.jpg
> http://www.calc-info.de/files/Apache-OO_example2.jpg
>
>
> Can someone better and can help to create a suitable design?
>
>
> greeting
> Jörg
>
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
>> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book.  Most often
>> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
>> they have identified, such as:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>>
>> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
>> the trademark policy here:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>>
>> However, that only covers the trademark.  There is another rights
>> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
>> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed.  Of
>> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
>> screenshots.  But that is extra work.  Generally they are trying to
>> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images.  The more
>> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it.  Since this is
>> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>>
>> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old.  They
>> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>>
>> Here's how we can do better:
>>
>> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
>> OpenOffice.  Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
>> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
>> under ALv2 by the original authors.   We want documents, for all of
>> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>>
>> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
>> languages.  (We do get requests from book publishers in many
>> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>>
>> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform  Do it with
>> AOO 3.4.1 for now.  But plan on repeating with each major new release.
>>  Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
>> have uniformity.
>>
>> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
>> purpose and permissions.
>>
>> What do we think?  I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
>> on Windows.  But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
>> files.
>>
>> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
>> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once upon a
> time, and here it is:
>
>  http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
>

OK.  That's the idea, certainly.  I see variations for different
languages there as well.  But it is all very old, some of the
screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!

> It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
> marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
> Originating from:
> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
>

I fixed that link.

> Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
> suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
> included, etc.
>
> So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
>
> yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
> request?
>

That's one approach.   Ask for cool looking documents.  Another would
be to make our own, based on a theme.  For example, we could pick some
text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
documents. And then make the sample documents look good.  This could
work in Writer and Impress, where it is easy to put a quote.  But not
sure what to do about Calc... unless you make a chart of "four score
and seven years ago" ;-)

-Rob

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Re: Improvements needed

[Marco A.G.Pinto]

  
  
Hello!
  
  Grammar checking can be done by installing the LanguageTool
  extension: www.languagetool.org .
  
  I am working on the Portuguese version of the rules.
  
  Kind regards,
   >Marco A.G.Pinto
     
  
  
  On 14-03-2013 22:12, Len Phillips wrote:


  The ability to drag documents between internet and openoffice has been lost in 3.4.1  Please bring it back.
 
Grammar check would be a nice addition to spell check.


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Visit the site at: http://on-line-seminars.com
 




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Draft blog post for Document Freedom Day

[Rob Weir]

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=openoffice_and_odf

It still needs a bit of work but I'm sharing the draft in case anyone
has some early feedback.

-Rob

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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
> >> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book.  Most often
> >> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
> >> they have identified, such as:
> >>
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
> >>
> >> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
> >> the trademark policy here:
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
> >>
> >> However, that only covers the trademark.  There is another rights
> >> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
> >> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed.  Of
> >> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
> >> screenshots.  But that is extra work.  Generally they are trying to
> >> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images.  The more
> >> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it.  Since this is
> >> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
> >>
> >> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old.  They
> >> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
> >>
> >> Here's how we can do better:
> >>
> >> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
> >> OpenOffice.  Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
> >> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
> >> under ALv2 by the original authors.   We want documents, for all of
> >> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
> >>
> >> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
> >> languages.  (We do get requests from book publishers in many
> >> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
> >>
> >> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform  Do it with
> >> AOO 3.4.1 for now.  But plan on repeating with each major new release.
> >>  Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
> >> have uniformity.
> >>
> >> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
> >> purpose and permissions.
> >>
> >> What do we think?  I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
> >> on Windows.  But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
> >> files.
> >>
> >> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
> >> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >
> > I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once
> upon a
> > time, and here it is:
> >
> >  http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
> >
>
> OK.  That's the idea, certainly.  I see variations for different
> languages there as well.  But it is all very old, some of the
> screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!
>

yes...I just wanted to point this out basically.


> > It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
> > marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
> > Originating from:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
> >
>
> I fixed that link.
>
> > Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
> > suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
> > included, etc.
> >
> > So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
> >
> > yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
> > request?
> >
>
> That's one approach.   Ask for cool looking documents.  Another would
> be to make our own, based on a theme.  For example, we could pick some
> text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
> but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
> themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
> documents. And then make the sample documents look good.


The common works are a great idea!



>  This could
> work in Writer and Impress, where it is easy to put a quote.  But not
> sure what to do about Calc... unless you make a chart of "four score
> and seven years ago" ;-)
>

I'm sure with a little effort we could find something for Calc. State
budgets? Other publicly available expenditures?

These kinds of screenshots would be great to "posterize" and take to booth
exhibits as well. They would be very eye catching.


>
> -Rob
>
> >
> >
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
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> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>
> 

weird simple BZ question -- no Difficulty keyword search?

[Kay Schenk]

I see that "Difficulty" is used in some of our BZ issues and highlighted on
the orientation module
"Finding Easy Tasks":

http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html

however, when I just look at the Advanced search mechanism for BZ, I don't
see "difficulty" as a keyword.

I must be missing something here. How does a user search by issue
difficulty?

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Re: Tutorial: dedicated website

[Andrea Pescetti]

FR web forum wrote:

I don't see a big advantage in terms of usability between the MWiki we
already have and any other CMS.

Well, why Extensions or Templates website don't use MWiki in this case?


It is a different use case (even leaving historical reasons aside). For 
example, tutorials are something that people could cooperate in writing 
and that may get updated often, and this is best done on a wiki (or 
forum; at least this is my understanding of it), while extensions for 
example are closer to software releases.



You must think to end-users that have write a tutorial.


I'm trying to, but, again, do you have a few examples? Maybe tutorials 
that you wrote yourself and that would be difficult to upload to one of 
the existing resources?



A Wiki need to have specific skill to publish.


You are right if you mean that on MWiki it is unnecessarily long and 
complex, for example, to upload attachments. Actually, it seems that the 
Forum currently offers good possibilities for those who want to publish 
tutorials: pages like

http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426
are done quite easily on the Forum, are very visible from search engines 
and can be updated as often as needed. And if someone wants to attach a 
PDF version this can be done easily.


What would the biggest advantage be for you? Ease of use (for users who 
wrote a tutorial and want to publish it) or visibility (like having a 
dedicated tutorials.openoffice.org website where we consolidate all 
tutorials)? And how many tutorials could it be reasonable to have? Could 
we reach hundreds of tutorials, for example?


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >
>> >> The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
>> >> for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book.  Most often
>> >> they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
>> >> they have identified, such as:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
>> >>
>> >> Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
>> >> the trademark policy here:
>> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>> >>
>> >> However, that only covers the trademark.  There is another rights
>> >> owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
>> >> screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed.  Of
>> >> course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
>> >> screenshots.  But that is extra work.  Generally they are trying to
>> >> clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images.  The more
>> >> difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it.  Since this is
>> >> free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
>> >>
>> >> Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old.  They
>> >> don't reflect the new Apache branding.
>> >>
>> >> Here's how we can do better:
>> >>
>> >> 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
>> >> OpenOffice.  Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
>> >> examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
>> >> under ALv2 by the original authors.   We want documents, for all of
>> >> our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
>> >>
>> >> Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
>> >> languages.  (We do get requests from book publishers in many
>> >> countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
>> >>
>> >> 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform  Do it with
>> >> AOO 3.4.1 for now.  But plan on repeating with each major new release.
>> >>  Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
>> >> have uniformity.
>> >>
>> >> 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
>> >> purpose and permissions.
>> >>
>> >> What do we think?  I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
>> >> on Windows.  But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
>> >> files.
>> >>
>> >> Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
>> >> journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >
>> > I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once
>> upon a
>> > time, and here it is:
>> >
>> >  http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
>> >
>>
>> OK.  That's the idea, certainly.  I see variations for different
>> languages there as well.  But it is all very old, some of the
>> screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!
>>
>
> yes...I just wanted to point this out basically.
>
>
>> > It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
>> > marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
>> > Originating from:
>> > http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
>> >
>>
>> I fixed that link.
>>
>> > Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at I
>> > suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
>> > included, etc.
>> >
>> > So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
>> >
>> > yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
>> > request?
>> >
>>
>> That's one approach.   Ask for cool looking documents.  Another would
>> be to make our own, based on a theme.  For example, we could pick some
>> text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
>> but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
>> themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
>> documents. And then make the sample documents look good.
>
>
> The common works are a great idea!
>

A quick prototype:

http://www.robweir.com/screenshot.png

Nothing fancy -- but it is based on public domain content.  Could
probably be improved, like with a border around the image, etc.

-Rob

>
>
>>  This could
>> work in Writer and Impress, where it is easy to put a quote.  But not
>> sure what to do about Calc... unless you make a chart of "four score
>> and seven years ago" ;-)
>>
>
> I'm sure with a little effort we could find something for Calc. State
> budgets? Other publicly available expenditures?
>
> These kinds of screenshots would be great to "posterize" and take to booth
> exhibits as well. They would be very eye catching.
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> -
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Re: weird simple BZ question -- no Difficulty keyword search?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> I see that "Difficulty" is used in some of our BZ issues and highlighted on
> the orientation module
> "Finding Easy Tasks":
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html
>
> however, when I just look at the Advanced search mechanism for BZ, I don't
> see "difficulty" as a keyword.
>
> I must be missing something here. How does a user search by issue
> difficulty?
>

Since "difficulty" is a custom field it does not have a dedicated
control in the search screen.  You need to go down to the "custom
search" section at the bottom of the search page and pick the field
from the list there.

-Rob


> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."

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Re: weird simple BZ question -- no Difficulty keyword search?

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > I see that "Difficulty" is used in some of our BZ issues and highlighted
> on
> > the orientation module
> > "Finding Easy Tasks":
> >
> > http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html
> >
> > however, when I just look at the Advanced search mechanism for BZ, I
> don't
> > see "difficulty" as a keyword.
> >
> > I must be missing something here. How does a user search by issue
> > difficulty?
> >
>
> Since "difficulty" is a custom field it does not have a dedicated
> control in the search screen.  You need to go down to the "custom
> search" section at the bottom of the search page and pick the field
> from the list there.
>
> -Rob
>

ah...OK, thanks


>
>
> > --
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> 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>
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Re: Forums down (SQL error: Too many connections [1040])

[imacat]

Dear all,

The forum are back now.

On 2013/03/15 00:24, imacat said:
> Hmm... we seem to lost the forums now.
> I'd written to the infra team for help on reboot.  We shall see later.
> 
> On 2013/03/13 18:22, janI said:
>> HI.
>>
>> It sounds more like a mismatch between the number of httpd worker tasks and
>> mysql max_connections. It is important that max_connections is higher than
>> the number of work tasks (or with fast-cgi the number of php processes).
>> When correctly configured you will just experience longer reply times, when
>> the server is busy and no sql errors.
>>
>> I fixed a similar problem on mwiki as part of the upgrade, but I do not
>> have access the vm where the forum runs.
>>
>> rgds
>> Jan I.
>>
>> On 13 March 2013 11:15, FR web forum  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> Forums are outage again this morning with same error.
>>> Maybe the MySQL max_connections parameter must be increase.
>>>
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Re: FormatArea Draw

[jorge ivan poot diaz]

Hello,

I have doubts about the Format dialog box:
-> Colors

Where is the code of this dialog box in the source code?

[image: Imagen integrada 1]

Regards.


2013/3/11 Ariel Constenla-Haile 

> Hi Ivan,
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 09:49:51PM -0600, jorge ivan poot diaz wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I'm seeing the files in the source code in draw, examples:
> >
> >
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/sd/uiconfig/sdraw/toolbar/drawingobjectbar.xml
> >
> > I want to know where the source code files are declared Icons Standard
> > Toolbar and Formatting.
>
> Do you want to know which of these xml files belongs to the "Standard"
> toolbar, which to the "Text Formatting" toolbar, etc.? Or where is the
> code that converts these xml into toolbars?
>
> > I want to know how I can add another icon in the toolbar.
>
> If you look at the file, you notice that the concept of an icon does not
> exist there; all you have is what is called a UNO command, for example
>
> ".uno:FormatLine"
>
> The UNO command is the central point; from the UNO command the
> application framework retrieves the label/text of the toolbar item, and
> the icon bound to it.
>
> The command to label binding is done in the XxxCommands.xcu that you
> already know, with the "Label"/"ContextLabel" proeprty; if the "Property"
> property has a value of 1, it indicates that the command is bound to an
> icon.
>
> Icons bound to UNO commands are located at
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/
>
> the naming scheme is the following:
>
> * prefix:
>
> sc_ 16x16 image
> sch_16x16 high-contrast image
> lc_ 26x26 image
> lch_26x26 h-c image
>
> * the UNO command without the protocol part (.uno:), in lowercase.
>
> For examle, for .uno:FormatLine:
>
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/sc_formatline.png
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/sch_formatline.png
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/lc_formatline.png
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/lch_formatline.png
>
> In short, you don't add an icon to the toolbar; you add a UNO command.
> If this UNO command is new (it does not exist in the current source
> code), you'll have to implement the functionality that executes the
> command (you click the toolbar item, the UNO command is "dispatched",
> that is, the functionality bound to it is executed), and also gives
> information about the status of the functionality this command
> represents (toolbar items are context sensitive, they are enabled or
> disabled, etc., depending on the state of the feature they represent).
>
>
> > Similarly, I've noticed that there are several xml files at this address:
> >
> >
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/sd/uiconfig/sdraw/toolbar/
>
> Yes, because there are several toolbars in Draw.
>
> > What are the interface need to draw the toolbar?
>
> There is a lot of code involved in transforming this xml file into
> a toolbar, spread in several modules. The central part is the
> application framework, drawing the toolbar onto the screen happens in
> vcl. If you want to dive into this, the best -IMO - is setting a break
> point in the framework code:
>
> framework::ToolbarLayoutManager::implts_createElement
>
> Note that it's better to start the application from withing the
> debugger, because UI elements are cached, you won't see it's creation
> from zero (reading that xml file) if you attach to an already opened
> document.
>
> If you want to see the creation of the other UI elements (menubar,
> statusbar), break in framework::LayoutManager::createElement
>
>
> Regards
> --
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> La Plata, Argentina
>

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Re: FormatArea Draw

[jorge ivan poot diaz]

Hello again,

I have doubts about the Color dialog box: Attached the link below of the
color dialog

http://imagebin.org/250306

I'm in the code window, so far I have this link:

http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20%28trunk%29/svtools/inc/svtools/colrdlg.hxx

http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20%28trunk%29/svtools/source/dialogs/colrdlg.cxx
 

To register the colors,
What services are used?

Regards.


2013/3/14 jorge ivan poot diaz 

> Hello,
>
> I have doubts about the Format dialog box:
> -> Colors
>
> Where is the code of this dialog box in the source code?
>
> [image: Imagen integrada 1]
>
> Regards.
>
>
> 2013/3/11 Ariel Constenla-Haile 
>
>> Hi Ivan,
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 09:49:51PM -0600, jorge ivan poot diaz wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > I'm seeing the files in the source code in draw, examples:
>> >
>> >
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/sd/uiconfig/sdraw/toolbar/drawingobjectbar.xml
>> >
>> > I want to know where the source code files are declared Icons Standard
>> > Toolbar and Formatting.
>>
>> Do you want to know which of these xml files belongs to the "Standard"
>> toolbar, which to the "Text Formatting" toolbar, etc.? Or where is the
>> code that converts these xml into toolbars?
>>
>> > I want to know how I can add another icon in the toolbar.
>>
>> If you look at the file, you notice that the concept of an icon does not
>> exist there; all you have is what is called a UNO command, for example
>>
>> ".uno:FormatLine"
>>
>> The UNO command is the central point; from the UNO command the
>> application framework retrieves the label/text of the toolbar item, and
>> the icon bound to it.
>>
>> The command to label binding is done in the XxxCommands.xcu that you
>> already know, with the "Label"/"ContextLabel" proeprty; if the "Property"
>> property has a value of 1, it indicates that the command is bound to an
>> icon.
>>
>> Icons bound to UNO commands are located at
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/
>>
>> the naming scheme is the following:
>>
>> * prefix:
>>
>> sc_ 16x16 image
>> sch_16x16 high-contrast image
>> lc_ 26x26 image
>> lch_26x26 h-c image
>>
>> * the UNO command without the protocol part (.uno:), in lowercase.
>>
>> For examle, for .uno:FormatLine:
>>
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/sc_formatline.png
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/sch_formatline.png
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/lc_formatline.png
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/default_images/res/commandimagelist/lch_formatline.png
>>
>> In short, you don't add an icon to the toolbar; you add a UNO command.
>> If this UNO command is new (it does not exist in the current source
>> code), you'll have to implement the functionality that executes the
>> command (you click the toolbar item, the UNO command is "dispatched",
>> that is, the functionality bound to it is executed), and also gives
>> information about the status of the functionality this command
>> represents (toolbar items are context sensitive, they are enabled or
>> disabled, etc., depending on the state of the feature they represent).
>>
>>
>> > Similarly, I've noticed that there are several xml files at this
>> address:
>> >
>> >
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main/sd/uiconfig/sdraw/toolbar/
>>
>> Yes, because there are several toolbars in Draw.
>>
>> > What are the interface need to draw the toolbar?
>>
>> There is a lot of code involved in transforming this xml file into
>> a toolbar, spread in several modules. The central part is the
>> application framework, drawing the toolbar onto the screen happens in
>> vcl. If you want to dive into this, the best -IMO - is setting a break
>> point in the framework code:
>>
>> framework::ToolbarLayoutManager::implts_createElement
>>
>> Note that it's better to start the application from withing the
>> debugger, because UI elements are cached, you won't see it's creation
>> from zero (reading that xml file) if you attach to an already opened
>> document.
>>
>> If you want to see the creation of the other UI elements (menubar,
>> statusbar), break in framework::LayoutManager::createElement
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> --
>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> La Plata, Argentina
>>
>
>

Re: FormatArea Draw

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 09:08:33PM -0600, jorge ivan poot diaz wrote:
>Hello again,
> 
>I have doubts about the Color dialog box: Attached the link below of the
>color dialog
> 
>http://imagebin.org/250306

This seems the "Area" dialogs, it is made up of several tab pages. If
you want to locate the source code for a dialog/tab page/control, you
can export HELP_DEBUG=1 and enable extended tooltips in the Tools
Options dialog. This way, when you rest the mouse on a control, you'll
see the help id: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/HelpID_cui.png
The help ID of this control in the screen shot,
"cui:Edit:RID_SVXPAGE_COLOR:EDT_NAME", will help you find the src file:

http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=%22cui%3AEdit%3ARID_SVXPAGE_COLOR%3AEDT_NAME%22&defs=&refs=&path=src&hist=&project=aoo-trunk

Searching for the helpid of the whole tabe page, RID_SVXPAGE_COLOR you
can find the src file, and the C++ code, if you narrow the search to the
cui module:

http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=RID_SVXPAGE_COLOR&defs=&refs=&path=cui&hist=&project=aoo-trunk

So you see taht this Color tab page is implemented in the SvxColorTabPage class
http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/cui/source/tabpages/tpcolor.cxx


>I'm in the code window, so far I have this link:
> 
>
> http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20%28trunk%29/svtools/inc/svtools/colrdlg.hxx
> 
>
> http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20%28trunk%29/svtools/source/dialogs/colrdlg.cxx

Don't use http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok, is outdated. And
this seems the code from the old color picker, not for the Color tab
page.

> 
>To register the colors,
>What services are used?

Debug the code in tpcolor.cxx, and pay attention to the part where you
find the XColorTable.


>If you want to see the creation of the other UI elements (menubar,
>statusbar), break in framework::LayoutManager::createElement

What happened with this? Did you tried it?


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
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Re: Proposal: OpenOffice screenshots for publicity

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Am Freitag, 15. März 2013 um 00:50 schrieb Rob Weir:

> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >  
> > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > > The PMC receives requests, every couple of weeks, from book publishers
> > > > > for permission to use OpenOffice screenshots in a book. Most often
> > > > > they are asking to use a specific screenshot from the website that
> > > > > they have identified, such as:
> > > > >  
> > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/writer-big.png
> > > > >  
> > > > > Generally, Apache permits the use of product screenshots in books, per
> > > > > the trademark policy here:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
> > > > >  
> > > > > However, that only covers the trademark. There is another rights
> > > > > owner to consider, the author of the document included in the
> > > > > screenshot, including any text, graphics, images, etc., displayed. Of
> > > > > course, the book publisher can avoid that issue by making their own
> > > > > screenshots. But that is extra work. Generally they are trying to
> > > > > clear permissions for dozens or hundreds of images. The more
> > > > > difficult we make it, the less likely they are use it. Since this is
> > > > > free publicity for us, we should try to make it easy for them to use.
> > > > >  
> > > > > Another issue is that our posted screenshots are quite old. They
> > > > > don't reflect the new Apache branding.
> > > > >  
> > > > > Here's how we can do better:
> > > > >  
> > > > > 1) Create a set of "demo" documents that showcase the capabilities of
> > > > > OpenOffice. Use either public-domain text (Charles Dickens, for
> > > > > examples) or Loren Ipsum, or original text contributed to the project
> > > > > under ALv2 by the original authors. We want documents, for all of
> > > > > our applications. that look good, and are clearly under ALv2.
> > > > >  
> > > > > Multilingual text would be ideal, or separate documents for different
> > > > > languages. (We do get requests from book publishers in many
> > > > > countries, so having a native-language screenshot is ideal)
> > > > >  
> > > > > 2) Create screenshots for each document, on each platform Do it with
> > > > > AOO 3.4.1 for now. But plan on repeating with each major new release.
> > > > > Agree on screen resolutions, color depth, and image formats, so we
> > > > > have uniformity.
> > > > >  
> > > > > 3) Host the screenshots online, along with text that explains their
> > > > > purpose and permissions.
> > > > >  
> > > > > What do we think? I can help with the webpage and with screen shots
> > > > > on Windows. But I'll need help assembling a set of showcase demo
> > > > > files.
> > > > >  
> > > > > Note: aside from book publishers, this will also be useful for
> > > > > journalists who want a screenshot for an article.
> > > > >  
> > > > > -Rob
> > > >  
> > > > I thought I remembered seeing a screenshot area on the web site once
> > > upon a
> > > > time, and here it is:
> > > >  
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/
> > >  
> > > OK. That's the idea, certainly. I see variations for different
> > > languages there as well. But it is all very old, some of the
> > > screenshots from 2003, 10 years old!
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> > yes...I just wanted to point this out basically.
> >  
> >  
> > > > It took me a while to track this down though -- there's a link in the
> > > > marketing area which needs to be fixed to get you to this older area.
> > > > Originating from:
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/marketing_where.html
> > > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > I fixed that link.
> > >  
> > > > Anyway, these are not standard by any means, but worth taking a look at 
> > > > I
> > > > suppose. Also NO mention of specific license which would need to be
> > > > included, etc.
> > > >  
> > > > So, there is certainly a precedent for these.
> > > >  
> > > > yes, we should update this area. Maybe a short blog for this kind of
> > > > request?
> > > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > That's one approach. Ask for cool looking documents. Another would
> > > be to make our own, based on a theme. For example, we could pick some
> > > text, something classic, in the public domain, H.G. Wells, or Dickens,
> > > but something appropriate to openness, sharing, or other open source
> > > themes. Then use that text as a common element of our sample
> > > documents. And then make the sample documents look good.
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > The common works are a great idea!
>  
> A quick prototype:
>  
> http://www.robweir.com/screenshot.png
>  
> Nothing fancy -- but it is based on public domain content. Could
> probably be improved, like with a border around the image, etc.
>  
>  

would it make sense to view the plugged navigator and  stylist. For 4.0 of 
course the sidebar.

Juergen
>