date:20121222

I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain
what I mean.

The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the
original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value.

A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal:
  - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose
  - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function

AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products
can only dream to go:
- AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth.
- AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group
- AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions
- AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented
product.
I could go on.

I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess
after all we are OPEN office.

I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont
judge it on that. It is simply a "thought out of the box", and hopefully it
can trigger some ideas.

You can see my "proposal" here:
http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png

Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world.
Jan I.


On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo  wrote:

> Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly...
>
> Have a good afternoon...
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand  >wrote:
>
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > this (https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/**
> > content/images/AOO_logos/<
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/
> >)
> > might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a
> > browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete
> > gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by
> > using the other wing.
> >
> > Looking forward to your suggestions :)
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Armin
> >
> >
> > On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Armin,
> >>
> >> I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo but
> >> desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case
> >> where
> >> they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on their
> >> flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is
> >> actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg
> file
> >> I
> >> sent yesterday.
> >>
> >> All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something on
> >> updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a
> >> circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with
> something
> >> tangible during the next few hours.
> >>
> >> Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD
> >> high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that?
> >>
> >> Thanks for the suggestions.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote:
> >>
> >>   Hi Michael,
> >>>
> >>> thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the
> >>> colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about:
> >>>
> >>> - only slightly changing the AOO logo
> >>> - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today
> >>> - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls
> >>> ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle
> >>> instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and the
> >>> color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle, making
> >>> the
> >>> upper half slightly lighter than the lower one).
> >>> Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-)
> >>>
> >>> HTH!
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>>  Armin
> >>>
> >>> On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Greetings to the AOO Team!
> 
>  Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in
>  touch
>  with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on
>  a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the
> Apache
>  Incubator.
> 
>  Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a
>  logo
>  proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo.
>  Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice
> Google+
>  community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second
>  version
>  of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice
>  orb,
>  but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored
> squares
>  that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc,
>  Impress,
>  and Base) and utilizing a streamlined font.
> 
>  Without further introductions, below I present my official submission
>  for
>  the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo.
> 
>  This first logo, is the proposed official logo for

Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available

On 22 December 2012 11:19, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 21/12/2012 janI wrote:
>
>> On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>>> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/**respin_aoo341/

>>> "Access forbidden" when clicking on files: this must be fixed ...
>>>
>> when running chmod then may also remove "incubating" part of the name :-)
>>
>
> It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages too:
> having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we make in
> some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be our first
> "non-incubator" release.
>
got it.

>
>  Shall we then change the "Please help with translation" announcement on
>>> the relevant home pages into something like
>>>
>> -1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a
>> release was close...
>>
>
> OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the
> original announcement.
>
>
>  And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions, that we
>> are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a
>> special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time).
>>
>
> We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret. So
> something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to volunteer
> in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to the builds) is
> perfectly acceptable.
>
That is a very fine way of doing it, thereby we also know a little about
where it is tested.

>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>

Re: [new bug] Msg text translation problem

2012-12-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 12/21/2012 11:00 PM, schrieb janI:

For general information, I have added a new bug 121536, regarding problems
with translations.

The content of the msg text in the source code is non translatable due to
ambiguity.

[xxx] means normally a variable will be inserted here
example: "[Time]" may NOT be translated but "[l]" (for load) should be
translated.

  means normally XML and should not be translated:
example: "hello" may NOT be translated but
"-p" should be translated.

$xxx means normally a variable will be inserted here
example: "$id" may NOT be translated but "$100" dollar should be translated.

Now try to explain that to our translators, it is easier to change the
source texts !

If nobody objects I will solve this bug, alongside with the oracle changes.


What about to write these special variables with "nt" as postfix. Adding 
this to the variable name inicates that no translation is wanted or must 
not happen at all.


To stick with your example from above it would look like this:

[xxx] translation wanted
[xxx-nt] no translation wanted

 translation wanted
 no translation wanted

$xxx translation wanted
$xxx-nt translation wanted

Maybe a possible way around the problem?

Marcus

Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available

2012-12-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 21/12/2012 janI wrote:

On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

http://people.apache.org/~jsc/respin_aoo341/

"Access forbidden" when clicking on files: this must be fixed ...

when running chmod then may also remove "incubating" part of the name :-)


It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages
too: having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we
make in some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be
our first "non-incubator" release.


Yes, please no differences within a release. Otherwise it's more 
complicate to make all these exceptions in the scripts.


For AOO 4.0 this will change, for sure - and some things more.

Marcus




Shall we then change the "Please help with translation" announcement on
the relevant home pages into something like

-1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a
release was close...


OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the
original announcement.


And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions, that we
are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a
special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time).


We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret.
So something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to
volunteer in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to
the builds) is perfectly acceptable.

Regards,
Andrea.

Re: [new bug] Msg text translation problem

I like you idea !!! much easier to handle, the implementation might be a
little more complicated, because I have to poke around in the code to see
where the variables are used.

thanks for the idea.
Jan I.

On 22 December 2012 12:31, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 12/21/2012 11:00 PM, schrieb janI:
>
>  For general information, I have added a new bug 121536, regarding problems
>> with translations.
>>
>> The content of the msg text in the source code is non translatable due to
>> ambiguity.
>>
>> [xxx] means normally a variable will be inserted here
>> example: "[Time]" may NOT be translated but "[l]" (for load) should be
>> translated.
>>
>>   means normally XML and should not be translated:
>> example: "hello" may NOT be translated but
>> "-p" should be translated.
>>
>> $xxx means normally a variable will be inserted here
>> example: "$id" may NOT be translated but "$100" dollar should be
>> translated.
>>
>> Now try to explain that to our translators, it is easier to change the
>> source texts !
>>
>> If nobody objects I will solve this bug, alongside with the oracle
>> changes.
>>
>
> What about to write these special variables with "nt" as postfix. Adding
> this to the variable name inicates that no translation is wanted or must
> not happen at all.
>
> To stick with your example from above it would look like this:
>
> [xxx] translation wanted
> [xxx-nt] no translation wanted
>
>  translation wanted
>  no translation wanted
>
> $xxx translation wanted
> $xxx-nt translation wanted
>
> Maybe a possible way around the problem?
>
> Marcus
>

Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available

On 22 December 2012 12:32, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>
>  On 21/12/2012 janI wrote:
>>
>>> On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>>
 http://people.apache.org/~jsc/**respin_aoo341/
>
 "Access forbidden" when clicking on files: this must be fixed ...

>>> when running chmod then may also remove "incubating" part of the name :-)
>>>
>>
>> It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages
>> too: having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we
>> make in some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be
>> our first "non-incubator" release.
>>
>
> Yes, please no differences within a release. Otherwise it's more
> complicate to make all these exceptions in the scripts.
>
> For AOO 4.0 this will change, for sure - and some things more.
>
Sorry it was my misunderstanding, of course no changes should be made for a
respin !


>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>  Shall we then change the "Please help with translation" announcement on
 the relevant home pages into something like

>>> -1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a
>>> release was close...
>>>
>>
>> OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the
>> original announcement.
>>
>>  And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions, that we
>>> are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a
>>> special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time).
>>>
>>
>> We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret.
>> So something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to
>> volunteer in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to
>> the builds) is perfectly acceptable.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>

Re: [new bug] Msg text translation problem

2012-12-22 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 12/22/2012 12:35 PM, schrieb janI:

I like you idea !!! much easier to handle, the implementation might be a
little more complicated, because I have to poke around in the code to see
where the variables are used.


Yes, the initial work is maybe a bit more than wanted. However, the 
communication with our l10n people what to translate and what not could 
become really easy.



thanks for the idea.


:-)

Marcus




On 22 December 2012 12:31, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:


Am 12/21/2012 11:00 PM, schrieb janI:

  For general information, I have added a new bug 121536, regarding problems

with translations.

The content of the msg text in the source code is non translatable due to
ambiguity.

[xxx] means normally a variable will be inserted here
example: "[Time]" may NOT be translated but "[l]" (for load) should be
translated.

   means normally XML and should not be translated:
example: "hello" may NOT be translated but
"-p" should be translated.

$xxx means normally a variable will be inserted here
example: "$id" may NOT be translated but "$100" dollar should be
translated.

Now try to explain that to our translators, it is easier to change the
source texts !

If nobody objects I will solve this bug, alongside with the oracle
changes.



What about to write these special variables with "nt" as postfix. Adding
this to the variable name inicates that no translation is wanted or must
not happen at all.

To stick with your example from above it would look like this:

[xxx] translation wanted
[xxx-nt] no translation wanted

  translation wanted
  no translation wanted

$xxx translation wanted
$xxx-nt translation wanted

Maybe a possible way around the problem?

Re: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

2012-12-22 Thread Risto Jääskeläinen


Thank You!
There was a problem that in code from Hanya this line create a null object in 
linux (with LibreOffice):

oSounMgr = CreateUnoService("com.sun.star.media.Manager_GStreamer")

For oPlayer1 I have control of stopping but for timidity I dont know how to 
control command line program after start.  Killall is needed for stopping sound 
(from pus button on right side of card).

I have only LibreOffice in my Mint system, AOO is on WinVista system (on same 
hard ware).

First my  idea was to create some midi controlled animation (for all kind of 
documents) but it was too difficult to find interface which can read a MIDI 
note from the media player to a animation macro.  Otherwise it seems to be 
system depended how long it take for first sound is in the air. So there is 
timing problem without such an interface.

So there is just merely random moves of drawing objects and non syncron sounds.

Greedings
Risto

imacat [ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw] kirjoitti: 

That is cool!

The KILLALL is bad, but if you do not log in as root onto your
desktop, or run timidity as yourself, then it is fine.  It actually does
nothing for me, since on my Debian timidity is run as the user
"timidity", not me.  I still wonder why you need to kill timidity, since
it still works if KILLALL fails, as in my case.

On 2012/12/22 18:30, Risto Jääskeläinen said:
> Sorry, I forgot the WARNING
> Don't use this document with macros in real UNIX system. There is
> KILLALL command used with linux part of code.
> 
> Risto
> 
> Risto Jääskeläinen [rjaas...@saunalahti.fi] kirjoitti:

>> I made a Christmas card with Draw. There you can see Santa's secret
>> agents, brownies (tonttuja) somewhere near Korvatunturi.
>>
>> http://www.saunalahti.fi/~rjaaskel/Midi/Tonttukortti.odg
>>
>> Risto
>>
>>
> 
> 



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Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

2012-12-22 Thread RGB ES

2012/12/22 janI 

> I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain
> what I mean.
>
> The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the
> original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value.
>
> A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal:
>   - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose
>   - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function
>
> AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products
> can only dream to go:
> - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth.
> - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group
> - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized
> versions
> - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented
> product.
> I could go on.
>
> I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess
> after all we are OPEN office.
>

+1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we are
trying to go beyond every limit ;)



>
> I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont
> judge it on that. It is simply a "thought out of the box", and hopefully it
> can trigger some ideas.
>
> You can see my "proposal" here:
> http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png


I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header,
but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of
other situations where a big logo is needed.

Regards
Ricardo



>
>
> Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world.
> Jan I.
>
>
> On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly...
> >
> > Have a good afternoon...
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > this (https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/**
> > > content/images/AOO_logos/<
> >
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/
> > >)
> > > might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a
> > > browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete
> > > gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by
> > > using the other wing.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to your suggestions :)
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Armin
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello Armin,
> > >>
> > >> I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo
> but
> > >> desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case
> > >> where
> > >> they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on
> their
> > >> flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is
> > >> actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg
> > file
> > >> I
> > >> sent yesterday.
> > >>
> > >> All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something
> on
> > >> updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a
> > >> circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with
> > something
> > >> tangible during the next few hours.
> > >>
> > >> Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD
> > >> high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the suggestions.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote:
> > >>
> > >>   Hi Michael,
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the
> > >>> colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about:
> > >>>
> > >>> - only slightly changing the AOO logo
> > >>> - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today
> > >>> - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls
> > >>> ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle
> > >>> instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and
> the
> > >>> color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle,
> making
> > >>> the
> > >>> upper half slightly lighter than the lower one).
> > >>> Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-)
> > >>>
> > >>> HTH!
> > >>> Sincerely,
> > >>>  Armin
> > >>>
> > >>> On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  Greetings to the AOO Team!
> > 
> >  Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in
> >  touch
> >  with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on
> >  a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the
> > Apache
> >  Incubator.
> > 
> >  Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit
> a
> >  logo
> >  proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo.
> >  Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice
> > Google+
> >  commun

[wiki help] sysop help needed !!

Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean
some of the dead stuff.

I would apriciate if  some of the sysop could help me with
- looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload
people are warned this will happen)
- looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at
least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")

there are too much for me alone.

Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a
slimmer system, without loosing any information.

Jan.

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!

2012-12-22 Thread helen


22.12.2012 21:06, janI пишет:

- looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at
least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")

Two Russian categories have a mark as "do not delete".

--
WBR,
Helen

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!

2012-12-22 Thread RGB ES

2012/12/22 janI 

> Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean
> some of the dead stuff.
>
> I would apriciate if  some of the sysop could help me with
> - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload
> people are warned this will happen)
>

I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them...

Regards
Ricardo



> - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at
> least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")
>
> there are too much for me alone.
>
> Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a
> slimmer system, without loosing any information.
>
> Jan.
>

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!

Yes, so if you know they are not used delete them...I will not touch them.

WBR
Jan I.

On 22 December 2012 16:55, helen  wrote:

> 22.12.2012 21:06, janI пишет:
>
>  - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at
>> least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")
>>
> Two Russian categories have a mark as "do not delete".
>
> --
> WBR,
> Helen
>

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!

On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES  wrote:

> 2012/12/22 janI 
>
> > Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to
> clean
> > some of the dead stuff.
> >
> > I would apriciate if  some of the sysop could help me with
> > - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload
> > people are warned this will happen)
> >
>
> I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them...
>
That is why I need some help :-)

but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the upgrade
until end of year.



>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
> > - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at
> > least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")
> >
> > there are too much for me alone.
> >
> > Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a
> > slimmer system, without loosing any information.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
>

Request Mwiki account

2012-12-22 Thread Bycadi Rao

Dear Sir,
Myself Kiran and writing from India. I am a Vb.Net programmer and i would
like to merge OpenOffice to my vb application forms.
i saw some of the web site and try to learn the same but when ever i
clicked on something to download (ODF Toolkit) it's leading me to
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/New_accounts
page for further procedures.
My request is to kindly provide me the uesr crendentilas to download the
OCX controls of OpenOffice and use the same in vb.net...

Hope you will help me in this regard.
-- 
Regards
Kiran B.V

Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available

2012-12-22 Thread Kay Schenk




On 12/22/2012 03:32 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 21/12/2012 janI wrote:

On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

http://people.apache.org/~jsc/respin_aoo341/

"Access forbidden" when clicking on files: this must be fixed ...

when running chmod then may also remove "incubating" part of the name
:-)


It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages
too: having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we
make in some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be
our first "non-incubator" release.


Yes, please no differences within a release. Otherwise it's more
complicate to make all these exceptions in the scripts.

For AOO 4.0 this will change, for sure - and some things more.

Marcus


With the discussion of moving our official Apache "dist" location, it 
was suggested that we keep these additions "branded", i.e. with 
incubator, as the original 3.4.1 packs. So, these new languages will be 
tagged as "incubator" too.







Shall we then change the "Please help with translation" announcement on
the relevant home pages into something like

-1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a
release was close...


OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the
original announcement.


And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions,
that we
are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a
special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time).


We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret.
So something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to
volunteer in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to
the builds) is perfectly acceptable.

Regards,
Andrea.


--

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
 -- Aesop

Re: [WEBSITE] Holiday logo version

2012-12-22 Thread Kay Schenk

On 12/21/2012 04:13 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:

Jahl,

I've uploaded secondary versions of the holiday logo with the corrections
that you requested on returning the colors of the word OpenOffice to its
original one.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102338277738893050711/AOOHolidayLogos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMnEnLzl7sKgOA

All of them are at the highest resolution available.

Michael --

This is very cute, and thanks for doing this. I love it! :)

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, janI wrote:

The santa with the original log (I also think you removed the tm) would be
just perfect for me...however that is just my opinion

and I understood that rob could upload it fast...that would be real nice.

Have a nice evening/day
jan

On 21 December 2012 23:44, Michael Acevedo wrote:

Jahl,

Would you like me to return the OpenOffice words to their original color
then? It's a quick fix.

On Friday, December 21, 2012, janI wrote:

I really like the santa variant, but I totally agree with andrea that

the

logo as such should be our current logo.

You really have a touch for design !!

Jan I.

On 21 December 2012 23:30, Michael Acevedo
>

wrote:

Hello Andrea,

I uploaded the logos to a Picasa Web album and should be accessible

the

link below. I took a conservative approach and only change the

coloring

the words "Open" and "Office" with the colors of the season. The

change

nothing out of this world.

You may see the two variants here:

AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711<

https://picasaweb.google.com/102338277738893050711/AOOHolidayLogos?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMnEnLzl7sKgOA&feat=directlink

Hope you like them.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Andrea Pescetti <

pesce...@apache.org

wrote:

Michael Acevedo wrote:

I've attached my candidates to this email. Let me know if you can

see

them.

Thanks! Unfortunately, they didn't reach the list so nobody could

see

them. It's better to upload them to http://imagebin.org/ or

somewhere.

Logo #1 puts a santa hat on the orb and tweaks the colors of the

word

OpenOffice to the typical red and green of the season.
Logo #2 makes the orb a decorated ball. The coloring of the word
OpenOffice remains the same...

Reading the descriptions, the solutions seem quite creative! But

with

the

logo we must be careful, meaning: adding themed elements to the

logo

OK,

while replacing the orb or the colors should probably be avoided,

make

sure visitors are not confused (this logo will be seen 800K times a

day,

and there are enough OpenOffice "ripoff" sites around for visitors

quite paranoid).

So I'd rather put online a version that adds elements instead of

altering

the current orb/colors... but out of personal curiosity I'd also be

happy

to see #1 and #2 above too!

Regards,
Andrea.

--
Best,
Michael

MzK

"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
-- Aesop

Re: [WEBSITE] Holiday logo version

No problem, it was very easy to do.

On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:

>
>
> On 12/21/2012 04:13 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>
>> Jahl,
>>
>> I've uploaded secondary versions of the holiday logo with the corrections
>> that you requested on returning the colors of the word OpenOffice to its
>> original one.
>>
>> AOOHolidayLogos | 
>> 102338277738893050711
>>
>> All of them are at the highest resolution available.
>>
>
> Michael --
>
> This is very cute, and thanks for doing this. I love it! :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, janI  wrote:
>
>  The santa with the original log (I also think you removed the tm) would be
> just perfect for me...however that is just my opinion
>
> and I understood that rob could upload it fast...that would be real nice.
>
> Have a nice evening/day
> jan
>
> On 21 December 2012 23:44, Michael Acevedo  wrote:
>
>  Jahl,
>
> Would you like me to return the OpenOffice words to their original color
> then? It's a quick fix.
>
> On Friday, December 21, 2012, janI wrote:
>
>  I really like the santa variant, but I totally agree with andrea that
>
> the
>
> logo as such should be our current logo.
>
> You really have a touch for design !!
>
> Jan I.
>
> On 21 December 2012 23:30, Michael Acevedo 
> >
>
> wrote:
>
>  Hello Andrea,
>
> I uploaded the logos to a Picasa Web album and should be accessible
>
> on
>
> the
>
> link below. I took a conservative approach and only change the
>
> coloring
>
> of
>
> the words "Open" and "Office" with the colors of the season. The
>
> change
>
> is
>
> nothing out of this world.
>
> You may see the two variants here:
>
>
> AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711<
>
>
>  AOOHolidayLogos | 
> 102338277738893050711
>
>
>
> Hope you like them.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Andrea Pescetti <
>
> pesce...@apache.org
>
> 
>
> wrote:
>
>
>  Michael Acevedo wrote:
>
>  I've attached my candidates to this email. Let me know if you can
>
> see
>
> --**--**
> 
> MzK
>
> "No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
>  -- Aesop
>


-- 
Best,
Michael

Re: [WEBSITE] Holiday logo version

Just saw the logo in the page. It looks very nice and funny.

On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Michael Acevedo wrote:

> No problem, it was very easy to do.
>
> On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/2012 04:13 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>>
>> Jahl,
>>
>> I've uploaded secondary versions of the holiday logo with the corrections
>> that you requested on returning the colors of the word OpenOffice to its
>> original one.
>>
>> AOOHolidayLogos | 
>> 102338277738893050711
>>
>> All of them are at the highest resolution available.
>>
>>
>> Michael --
>>
>> This is very cute, and thanks for doing this. I love it! :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, janI  wrote:
>>
>>  The santa with the original log (I also think you removed the tm) would
>> be
>> just perfect for me...however that is just my opinion
>>
>> and I understood that rob could upload it fast...that would be real nice.
>>
>> Have a nice evening/day
>> jan
>>
>> On 21 December 2012 23:44, Michael Acevedo  wrote:
>>
>>  Jahl,
>>
>> Would you like me to return the OpenOffice words to their original color
>> then? It's a quick fix.
>>
>> On Friday, December 21, 2012, janI wrote:
>>
>>  I really like the santa variant, but I totally agree with andrea that
>>
>> the
>>
>> logo as such should be our current logo.
>>
>> You really have a touch for design !!
>>
>> Jan I.
>>
>> On 21 December 2012 23:30, Michael Acevedo >
>> >
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hello Andrea,
>>
>> I uploaded the logos to a Picasa Web album and should be accessible
>>
>> on
>>
>> the
>>
>> link below. I took a conservative approach and only change the
>>
>> coloring
>>
>> of
>>
>> the words "Open" and "Office" with the colors of the season. The
>>
>> change
>>
>> is
>>
>> nothing out of this world.
>>
>> You may see the two variants here:
>>
>>
>> AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711<
>>
>>
>>  AOOHolidayLogos | 
>> 102338277738893050711
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope you like them.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Andrea Pescetti <
>>
>> pesce...@apache.org
>>
>> 
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Michael Acevedo wrote:
>>
>>  I've attached my candidates to this email. Let me know if you can
>>
>> see
>>
>> --**--**
>> 
>> MzK
>>
>> "No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
>>  -- Aesop
>>
>
>
> --
> Best,
> Michael
>
>

-- 
Best,
Michael

Re: [new bug] Msg text translation problem

I have nothing a little extra work, if I other for much more work...no
problem.

I tested your idea, and it works with one big exception:

some of the  are used for control commands:
  ... 
and I do not think it is a good idea to change that.

But until now, I have only found 2 places where <> is used and should be
translated
cmd -p 
and those could be easily changed

or do you see it differently ?

Jan.

On 22 December 2012 12:38, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 12/22/2012 12:35 PM, schrieb janI:
>
>  I like you idea !!! much easier to handle, the implementation might be a
>> little more complicated, because I have to poke around in the code to see
>> where the variables are used.
>>
>
> Yes, the initial work is maybe a bit more than wanted. However, the
> communication with our l10n people what to translate and what not could
> become really easy.
>
>  thanks for the idea.
>>
>
> :-)
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>  On 22 December 2012 12:31, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
>>
>>  Am 12/21/2012 11:00 PM, schrieb janI:
>>>
>>>   For general information, I have added a new bug 121536, regarding
>>> problems
>>>
 with translations.

 The content of the msg text in the source code is non translatable due
 to
 ambiguity.

 [xxx] means normally a variable will be inserted here
 example: "[Time]" may NOT be translated but "[l]" (for load) should be
 translated.

means normally XML and should not be translated:
 example: "hello" may NOT be translated but
 "-p" should be translated.

 $xxx means normally a variable will be inserted here
 example: "$id" may NOT be translated but "$100" dollar should be
 translated.

 Now try to explain that to our translators, it is easier to change the
 source texts !

 If nobody objects I will solve this bug, alongside with the oracle
 changes.

>>> What about to write these special variables with "nt" as postfix. Adding
>>> this to the variable name inicates that no translation is wanted or must
>>> not happen at all.
>>>
>>> To stick with your example from above it would look like this:
>>>
>>> [xxx] translation wanted
>>> [xxx-nt] no translation wanted
>>>
>>>   translation wanted
>>>   no translation wanted
>>>
>>> $xxx translation wanted
>>> $xxx-nt translation wanted
>>>
>>> Maybe a possible way around the problem?
>>>
>>

Re: Request Mwiki account


On 12/22/2012 06:57, Bycadi Rao wrote:

Dear Sir,
Myself Kiran and writing from India. I am a Vb.Net programmer and i would
like to merge OpenOffice to my vb application forms.
i saw some of the web site and try to learn the same but when ever i
clicked on something to download (ODF Toolkit) it's leading me to
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/New_accounts
page for further procedures.
My request is to kindly provide me the uesr crendentilas to download the
OCX controls of OpenOffice and use the same in vb.net...

Hope you will help me in this regard.


Hi, Kiran,

We're sorry that you're having a problem. A wiki account is necessary to 
/upload/ files to the wiki, but /not/ necessary (or even helpful) for 
downloading. The ODF Toolkit is not hosted on the wiki.


What you are seeing is an error in the links. Please write to the list 
again (not to me), and give the page URL where you found the link, and 
the link itself. Then I or someone will try to straighten this out.


/tj/
(wiki Bureaucrat)

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!


On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote:

On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES  wrote:


2012/12/22 janI 


Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to

clean

some of the dead stuff.

I would apriciate if  some of the sysop could help me with
- looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload
people are warned this will happen)



I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them...


That is why I need some help :-)

but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the upgrade
until end of year.





Regards
Ricardo




- looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at
least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")

there are too much for me alone.

Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a
slimmer system, without loosing any information.

Jan.






Hi, Jan,

Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework 
on the wiki :/ so I hope you will run your "delete stale unused 
accounts" script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We 
should get rid of a lot of stale accounts.


BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the 
"CheckUser" extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers.


/tj/

Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test

We have had a problem with math rendering, this has now been resolved and
verified.

That is the last open bugzilla issue, in parallel infra have helped me
secure all changes in the infra svn, so basically we are ready to upgrade
the production system.

In order to upgrade production I need a window of approx. 12 hours, where
the wiki is down.

Are there anybody who have opinions on when it should be done (or when not)
?

Looking at the time I have available, it can be done before 31/12/2012 or
beginning january 2013.

jan I.

On 21 December 2012 00:42, TJ Frazier  wrote:

> On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote:
>
>> Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ??
>>
>> I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1
>> hit, and that page displays ok.
>>
>> thx in advance
>> jan
>>
>>   Reference/Math_commands>
> has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine.
>
> My user page has one example. It's working fine.
>
> With the removal of the F*CK editor, the "preview before first edit"
> preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back.
>
> /tj/
>
>
>
>

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!

On 22 December 2012 22:32, TJ Frazier  wrote:

> On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote:
>
>> On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES  wrote:
>>
>>  2012/12/22 janI 
>>>
>>>  Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to

>>> clean
>>>
 some of the dead stuff.

 I would apriciate if  some of the sysop could help me with
 - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload
 people are warned this will happen)


>>> I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them...
>>>
>>>  That is why I need some help :-)
>>
>> but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the
>> upgrade
>> until end of year.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out,
 at
 least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")

 there are too much for me alone.

 Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a
 slimmer system, without loosing any information.

 Jan.


>>>
>>  Hi, Jan,
>
> Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework on
> the wiki :/ so I hope you will run your "delete stale unused accounts"
> script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We should get
> rid of a lot of stale accounts.
>
Thanks for helping, the list seems endless :-(

I will run the script again, but not until the upgrade is done, and if the
students have uploaded images they will not be deleted, my script searches
for users with no contributions of any kind, however I can modify it (if
the community agrees) to search for users with my PAGE contributions.



>
> BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the
> "CheckUser" extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers.
>
I looked at the extension, I can load that, no problem...but if I
understand it correctly it does not help identifying already created users.

Did you have a look at the new create account page, on wikitest, that is
not easy for the average spammer to bypass.

jan I.

>
> /tj/
>
>
>

Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test


On 12/22/2012 16:33, janI wrote:

We have had a problem with math rendering, this has now been resolved and
verified.

That is the last open bugzilla issue, in parallel infra have helped me
secure all changes in the infra svn, so basically we are ready to upgrade
the production system.

In order to upgrade production I need a window of approx. 12 hours, where
the wiki is down.

Are there anybody who have opinions on when it should be done (or when not)
?

Looking at the time I have available, it can be done before 31/12/2012 or
beginning january 2013.

jan I.


I would suggest a Sunday, or a Saturday, as fairly low-usage days. Any 
time of day will be inconvenient for some people, so pick a convenient 
time for you! :-)


/tj/


On 21 December 2012 00:42, TJ Frazier  wrote:


On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote:


Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ??

I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1
hit, and that page displays ok.

thx in advance
jan

  >
has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine.

My user page has one example. It's working fine.

With the removal of the F*CK editor, the "preview before first edit"
preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back.

/tj/

Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test

I will pick a time after breakfast on a sunday :-)

I have installed checkUser. In order to activate it for you, you need to go
to Special:UserRights and add the CheckUser group to your account, then you
can see it in the normal specialPages.

HOWEVER, it reports 127.0.0.2 for all users, because of ATS.

Please have a look at it, and if I am right and it is not efficient I would
like to deinstall it.

have a nice day.
Jan I.

On 22 December 2012 22:55, TJ Frazier  wrote:

> On 12/22/2012 16:33, janI wrote:
>
>> We have had a problem with math rendering, this has now been resolved and
>> verified.
>>
>> That is the last open bugzilla issue, in parallel infra have helped me
>> secure all changes in the infra svn, so basically we are ready to upgrade
>> the production system.
>>
>> In order to upgrade production I need a window of approx. 12 hours, where
>> the wiki is down.
>>
>> Are there anybody who have opinions on when it should be done (or when
>> not)
>> ?
>>
>> Looking at the time I have available, it can be done before 31/12/2012 or
>> beginning january 2013.
>>
>> jan I.
>>
>
> I would suggest a Sunday, or a Saturday, as fairly low-usage days. Any
> time of day will be inconvenient for some people, so pick a convenient time
> for you! :-)
>
> /tj/
>
>>
>> On 21 December 2012 00:42, TJ Frazier  wrote:
>>
>>  On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote:
>>>
>>>  Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ??

 I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1
 hit, and that page displays ok.

 thx in advance
 jan

   >> Reference/Math_commands>> Documentation/Reference/Math_**commands
>>> >>
>>>
>>> has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine.
>>>
>>> My user page has one example. It's working fine.
>>>
>>> With the removal of the F*CK editor, the "preview before first edit"
>>> preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back.
>>>
>>> /tj/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!

2012-12-22 Thread RGB ES

2012/12/22 TJ Frazier 

> On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote:
>
>> On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES  wrote:
>>
>>  2012/12/22 janI 
>>>
>>>  Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to

>>> clean
>>>
 some of the dead stuff.

 I would apriciate if  some of the sysop could help me with
 - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload
 people are warned this will happen)


>>> I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them...
>>>
>>>  That is why I need some help :-)
>>
>> but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the
>> upgrade
>> until end of year.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out,
 at
 least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")

 there are too much for me alone.

 Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a
 slimmer system, without loosing any information.

 Jan.


>>>
>>  Hi, Jan,
>
> Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework on
> the wiki :/


I also found a couple of wallpapers and some maps of German cities...

I just arrived up to June 2008 deleting unused files, later I'll go on. If
someone else wants to give a hand, it is welcomed ;)

Regards
Ricardo



> so I hope you will run your "delete stale unused accounts" script again,
> and with the date updated to the next month. We should get rid of a lot of
> stale accounts.
>
> BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the
> "CheckUser" extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers.
>
> /tj/
>
>
>

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!


On 12/22/2012 16:40, janI wrote:

On 22 December 2012 22:32, TJ Frazier  wrote:


On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote:


On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES  wrote:

  2012/12/22 janI 


  Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to



clean


some of the dead stuff.

I would apriciate if  some of the sysop could help me with
- looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload
people are warned this will happen)



I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them...

  That is why I need some help :-)


but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the
upgrade
until end of year.





Regards
Ricardo



  - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out,

at
least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")

there are too much for me alone.

Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a
slimmer system, without loosing any information.

Jan.





  Hi, Jan,


Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework on
the wiki :/ so I hope you will run your "delete stale unused accounts"
script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We should get
rid of a lot of stale accounts.


Thanks for helping, the list seems endless :-(

I will run the script again, but not until the upgrade is done, and if the
students have uploaded images they will not be deleted, my script searches
for users with no contributions of any kind, however I can modify it (if
the community agrees) to search for users with my PAGE contributions.

The users in question no longer have files uploaded; they've been 
deleted. If your script counts deleted contributions as active, then 
yes, please change it. Otherwise, the accounts will disappear properly.





BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the
"CheckUser" extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers.


I looked at the extension, I can load that, no problem...but if I
understand it correctly it does not help identifying already created users.

The extension is no help in identifying new spammers, but it's a great 
help in chasing them, by complaining to the ISP. I have all the 
bookmarks for that, from my time as a ML moderator.


It's also helpful in identifying multiple accounts for the same user 
(which is okay, unless they're all spammers!).



Did you have a look at the new create account page, on wikitest, that is
not easy for the average spammer to bypass.


It certainly looks ferocious! I hope it works.
/tj/


jan I.



/tj/

Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!

My script uses the log table, so if they hade made a contribution they are
not deleted, but I will change it, to check if they have an active
contribution.

the "create account" is active, so feel free to test it (the database will
be dropped afterwards).

Jan.

@RBG, we will get to 2012 hopefully before we reach 2013 :-)

thanks to all that helps deleting files.

On 22 December 2012 23:21, TJ Frazier  wrote:

> On 12/22/2012 16:40, janI wrote:
>
>> On 22 December 2012 22:32, TJ Frazier  wrote:
>>
>>  On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES  wrote:

   2012/12/22 janI 

>
>   Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to
>
>>
>>  clean
>
>  some of the dead stuff.
>>
>> I would apriciate if  some of the sysop could help me with
>> - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload
>> people are warned this will happen)
>>
>>
>>  I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of
> them...
>
>   That is why I need some help :-)
>

 but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the
 upgrade
 until end of year.




  Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>   - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH
> out,
>
>> at
>> least one russian template has a remark "please do not delete")
>>
>> there are too much for me alone.
>>
>> Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a
>> slimmer system, without loosing any information.
>>
>> Jan.
>>
>>
>>
>Hi, Jan,

>>>
>>> Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework
>>> on
>>> the wiki :/ so I hope you will run your "delete stale unused accounts"
>>> script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We should get
>>> rid of a lot of stale accounts.
>>>
>>>  Thanks for helping, the list seems endless :-(
>>
>> I will run the script again, but not until the upgrade is done, and if the
>> students have uploaded images they will not be deleted, my script searches
>> for users with no contributions of any kind, however I can modify it (if
>> the community agrees) to search for users with my PAGE contributions.
>>
>>  The users in question no longer have files uploaded; they've been
> deleted. If your script counts deleted contributions as active, then yes,
> please change it. Otherwise, the accounts will disappear properly.
>
>
>>
>>
>>> BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the
>>> "CheckUser" extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers.
>>>
>>>  I looked at the extension, I can load that, no problem...but if I
>> understand it correctly it does not help identifying already created
>> users.
>>
>>  The extension is no help in identifying new spammers, but it's a great
> help in chasing them, by complaining to the ISP. I have all the bookmarks
> for that, from my time as a ML moderator.
>
> It's also helpful in identifying multiple accounts for the same user
> (which is okay, unless they're all spammers!).
>
>
>  Did you have a look at the new create account page, on wikitest, that is
>> not easy for the average spammer to bypass.
>>
>>  It certainly looks ferocious! I hope it works.
> /tj/
>
>  jan I.
>>
>>
>>> /tj/
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test

2012-12-22 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi Jan,

I have done some more basic testing and found no more errors. I have:
* Insert a link.
* Make a page.
* Write with headings, numbered lists, character formatting.
* Upload a picture and link to it.

I'm very glad, that you are making our Wiki work again, and  I'm locking 
forward, when it becomes active.


Kind regards
Regina



janI schrieb:

Finally I got mwiki upgraded and ready for test.

version 1.20.2 of mediawiki, with AOO skin and a copy of the database is
available for testing:

wikitest.openoffice.org

It will prompt for a user/password (htaccess), which is:  wikitest/wikitest
(just used so nobody thinks it is a production wiki).

There are several changes against to current wiki, here are some of the
important ones:
- New editor (I ended up using the standard editor)
- many extensions are now part of the core (it requires that especially
creative user pages needs testing)
- special gatcha for "create account", actually it is just a reuse of an
extension that was already loaded

I have done a "run and go" test, but we need it tested a lot more before it
goes into production.

My proposal is to leave wikitest running until 31/12/2012, and anybody who
finds a problem (or a feature request) please make a bugzilla report, that
makes it easier to control.

Beginning january and once all severe bugzilla bugs for wikitest has been
solved, I will ask for a vote on replacing the current wiki.

have a nice time testing.
Jan I

Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test


On 12/22/2012 17:04, janI wrote:

I will pick a time after breakfast on a sunday :-)

I have installed checkUser. In order to activate it for you, you need to go
to Special:UserRights and add the CheckUser group to your account, then you
can see it in the normal specialPages.

HOWEVER, it reports 127.0.0.2 for all users, because of ATS.

Please have a look at it, and if I am right and it is not efficient I would
like to deinstall it.

have a nice day.
Jan I.


Yes, you are right; the IP address of 127:0:0:2 is not helpful; you can 
deinstall CheckUser. I checked my own user name, and got an earlier 
(from 12-01), real IP address. I assume that you hadn't installed ATS yet.


What I really want is email addresses. I was sure there was supposed to 
be a new way to retrieve those, but maybe I was wrong. I'll do some more 
searching on WikiMedia.


/tj/


On 22 December 2012 22:55, TJ Frazier  wrote:


On 12/22/2012 16:33, janI wrote:


We have had a problem with math rendering, this has now been resolved and
verified.

That is the last open bugzilla issue, in parallel infra have helped me
secure all changes in the infra svn, so basically we are ready to upgrade
the production system.

In order to upgrade production I need a window of approx. 12 hours, where
the wiki is down.

Are there anybody who have opinions on when it should be done (or when
not)
?

Looking at the time I have available, it can be done before 31/12/2012 or
beginning january 2013.

jan I.



I would suggest a Sunday, or a Saturday, as fairly low-usage days. Any
time of day will be inconvenient for some people, so pick a convenient time
for you! :-)

/tj/



On 21 December 2012 00:42, TJ Frazier  wrote:

  On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote:


  Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ??


I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1
hit, and that page displays ok.

thx in advance
jan

   




has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine.

My user page has one example. It's working fine.

With the removal of the F*CK editor, the "preview before first edit"
preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back.

/tj/

Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test

THANKS for the testing and the kind words. I simply try to get the
infrastructure to work as efficient as possible so that you all can use
more time making AOO better than it already is !!

@TJ: It is easy for me to provide you on a regular basis with a list of
users/email, and that does not put a load on the system like every
extension:

jan I.

On 22 December 2012 23:57, Regina Henschel  wrote:

> Hi Jan,
>
> I have done some more basic testing and found no more errors. I have:
> * Insert a link.
> * Make a page.
> * Write with headings, numbered lists, character formatting.
> * Upload a picture and link to it.
>
> I'm very glad, that you are making our Wiki work again, and  I'm locking
> forward, when it becomes active.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
>
> janI schrieb:
>
>  Finally I got mwiki upgraded and ready for test.
>>
>> version 1.20.2 of mediawiki, with AOO skin and a copy of the database is
>> available for testing:
>>
>> wikitest.openoffice.org
>>
>> It will prompt for a user/password (htaccess), which is:
>>  wikitest/wikitest
>> (just used so nobody thinks it is a production wiki).
>>
>> There are several changes against to current wiki, here are some of the
>> important ones:
>> - New editor (I ended up using the standard editor)
>> - many extensions are now part of the core (it requires that especially
>> creative user pages needs testing)
>> - special gatcha for "create account", actually it is just a reuse of an
>> extension that was already loaded
>>
>> I have done a "run and go" test, but we need it tested a lot more before
>> it
>> goes into production.
>>
>> My proposal is to leave wikitest running until 31/12/2012, and anybody who
>> finds a problem (or a feature request) please make a bugzilla report, that
>> makes it easier to control.
>>
>> Beginning january and once all severe bugzilla bugs for wikitest has been
>> solved, I will ask for a vote on replacing the current wiki.
>>
>> have a nice time testing.
>> Jan I
>>
>>
>

[DISCUSS] Recourse for Sites Which Do Not Acknowledge Trademarks

2012-12-22 Thread Dave Fisher

One of the ways that sites that offer downloads of Apache OpenOffice (or 
OpenOffice.org) often do is:

(1) Don't acknowledge that the trademarks are the Apache Software Foundation's.

(2) Make use of the project's and ASF's resources to offer free support and 
other downloads.

They simply hide as legitimate sites. One example is openoffice.us.com.

One thing that we can do to get in the way of this is keep a list of these 
domains and when web requests are referred from them we can take users to a 
warning page where we can explain the situation, help users get to legitimate 
resources and let these providers know how to properly reference trademarks and 
make their offering distinct from Apache OpenOffice.

Perhaps there is something that can be done with Google to have them downgrade 
search terms for OpenOffice for specific URLs.

Regards,
Dave

Re: [DISCUSS] Recourse for Sites Which Do Not Acknowledge Trademarks

On 23 December 2012 00:46, Dave Fisher  wrote:

> One of the ways that sites that offer downloads of Apache OpenOffice (or
> OpenOffice.org) often do is:
>
> (1) Don't acknowledge that the trademarks are the Apache Software
> Foundation's.
>
> (2) Make use of the project's and ASF's resources to offer free support
> and other downloads.
>
> They simply hide as legitimate sites. One example is openoffice.us.com.
>
> One thing that we can do to get in the way of this is keep a list of these
> domains and when web requests are referred from them we can take users to a
> warning page where we can explain the situation, help users get to
> legitimate resources and let these providers know how to properly reference
> trademarks and make their offering distinct from Apache OpenOffice.
>
I like this idea of a warning page it is simple and (I think) effective.
However they can always take the files and host them on their own server.

>
> Perhaps there is something that can be done with Google to have them
> downgrade search terms for OpenOffice for specific URLs.
>
That seems more complex to me, they have the right to the domainname and as
long as ASF does not take them to court, it is hard to proof that they do
something really wrong.

Regards,
> Dave

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

2012-12-22 Thread Peter Junge

Very good idea!

Merry Christmas everyone
Peter

On 12/22/2012 7:16 PM, janI wrote:

I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain
what I mean.

The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the
original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value.

A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal:
- limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose
- closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function

AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products
can only dream to go:
- AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth.
- AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group
- AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions
- AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented
product.
I could go on.

I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess
after all we are OPEN office.

I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont
judge it on that. It is simply a "thought out of the box", and hopefully it
can trigger some ideas.

You can see my "proposal" here:
http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png

Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world.
Jan I.

On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo wrote:

Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly...

Have a good afternoon...

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand
wrote:

Hi Michael,

this (https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/**
content/images/AOO_logos/<

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/

)
might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a
browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete
gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by
using the other wing.

Looking forward to your suggestions :)

Sincerely,
Armin

On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote:

Hello Armin,

I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo but
desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case
where
they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on their
flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is
actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg

file

I
sent yesterday.

All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something on
updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a
circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with

something

tangible during the next few hours.

Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD
high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that?

Thanks for the suggestions.

On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote:

Hi Michael,

thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the
colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about:

- only slightly changing the AOO logo
- replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today
- keeping the color, keeping the seagulls
...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle
instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and the
color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle, making
the
upper half slightly lighter than the lower one).
Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-)

HTH!
Sincerely,
Armin

On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote:

Greetings to the AOO Team!

Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in
touch
with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on
a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the

Apache

Incubator.

Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a
logo
proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo.
Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice

Google+

community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second
version
of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice
orb,
but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored

squares

that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc,
Impress,
and Base) and utilizing a streamlined font.

Without further introductions, below I present my official submission
for
the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo.

This first logo, is the proposed official logo for the project that
would
be used for our webpage and some other materials.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lETVSrwcgJc/**UNJpH6G1sxI/**
ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-5%
2520Small%2520copy.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lETVSrwcgJc/UNJpH6G1sxI/ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-5%2520Small%2520copy.jpg

There's a

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

RGB,

I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the open
blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open world.


On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES  wrote:

> 2012/12/22 janI 
>
> > I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain
> > what I mean.
> >
> > The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the
> > original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value.
> >
> > A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal:
> >   - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose
> >   - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function
> >
> > AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products
> > can only dream to go:
> > - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth.
> > - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group
> > - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized
> > versions
> > - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented
> > product.
> > I could go on.
> >
> > I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess
> > after all we are OPEN office.
> >
>
> +1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we are
> trying to go beyond every limit ;)
>
>
>
> >
> > I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please
> dont
> > judge it on that. It is simply a "thought out of the box", and hopefully
> it
> > can trigger some ideas.
> >
> > You can see my "proposal" here:
> > http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png
>
>
> I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header,
> but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of
> other situations where a big logo is needed.
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world.
> > Jan I.
> >
> >
> > On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly...
> > >
> > > Have a good afternoon...
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand  > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > this (
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/**
> > > > content/images/AOO_logos/<
> > >
> >
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/
> > > >)
> > > > might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a
> > > > browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the
> complete
> > > > gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired
> by
> > > > using the other wing.
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to your suggestions :)
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Armin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello Armin,
> > > >>
> > > >> I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo
> > but
> > > >> desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung
> case
> > > >> where
> > > >> they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on
> > their
> > > >> flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is
> > > >> actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg
> > > file
> > > >> I
> > > >> sent yesterday.
> > > >>
> > > >> All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something
> > on
> > > >> updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which
> is a
> > > >> circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with
> > > something
> > > >> tangible during the next few hours.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD
> > > >> high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for the suggestions.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>   Hi Michael,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and
> the
> > > >>> colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - only slightly changing the AOO logo
> > > >>> - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today
> > > >>> - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls
> > > >>> ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded
> rectangle
> > > >>> instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and
> > the
> > > >>> color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle,
> > making
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> upper half slightly lighter than the lower one).
> > > >>> Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> HTH!
> > > >>> Sincerely,
> > > >>>  Armin
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  Greetings to the AOO Team!
> > > 
> > >  Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've de

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

I think I've come up with something that is simplistic on the eye but
beautiful an lively.

Still working on it but stay tuned.


On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael Acevedo  wrote:

> RGB,
>
> I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the open
> blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open world.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
>
>> 2012/12/22 janI 
>>
>> > I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better
>> explain
>> > what I mean.
>> >
>> > The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the
>> > original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value.
>> >
>> > A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal:
>> >   - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose
>> >   - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function
>> >
>> > AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products
>> > can only dream to go:
>> > - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth.
>> > - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group
>> > - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized
>> > versions
>> > - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented
>> > product.
>> > I could go on.
>> >
>> > I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess
>> > after all we are OPEN office.
>> >
>>
>> +1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we
>> are
>> trying to go beyond every limit ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please
>> dont
>> > judge it on that. It is simply a "thought out of the box", and
>> hopefully it
>> > can trigger some ideas.
>> >
>> > You can see my "proposal" here:
>> > http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png
>>
>>
>> I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header,
>> but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of
>> other situations where a big logo is needed.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world.
>> > Jan I.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly...
>> > >
>> > > Have a good afternoon...
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand <
>> armin.le.gr...@me.com
>> > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Michael,
>> > > >
>> > > > this (
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/**
>> > > > content/images/AOO_logos/<
>> > >
>> >
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/
>> > > >)
>> > > > might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a
>> > > > browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the
>> complete
>> > > > gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe
>> repaired by
>> > > > using the other wing.
>> > > >
>> > > > Looking forward to your suggestions :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > Armin
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hello Armin,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo
>> > but
>> > > >> desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung
>> case
>> > > >> where
>> > > >> they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on
>> > their
>> > > >> flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is
>> > > >> actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last
>> jpeg
>> > > file
>> > > >> I
>> > > >> sent yesterday.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of
>> something
>> > on
>> > > >> updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which
>> is a
>> > > >> circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with
>> > > something
>> > > >> tangible during the next few hours.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD
>> > > >> high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks for the suggestions.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>   Hi Michael,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and
>> the
>> > > >>> colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> - only slightly changing the AOO logo
>> > > >>> - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today
>> > > >>> - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls
>> > > >>> ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded
>> rectangle
>> > > >>> instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and
>> > the
>> > > >>> color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle,
>> > making
>> > > >>> the
>> > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...

2012-12-22 Thread Kevin Grignon

Michael,

Great work. Design is very iterative. Keep pushing!

Using the design explorations is a great way to stimulate a conversation which 
can help us better understand the requirements. Perhaps we could harvest the 
criteria for success in the thread and capture in the wiki  

Then we can make the design review process less subjective by having people 
review design explorations relative to stated goals. 

Also, the mailing list is tough place to review designs, can you post the 
design explorations to the AOO UX wiki?  

Regards,
Kevin


On Dec 23, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Michael Acevedo  wrote:

> I think I've come up with something that is simplistic on the eye but
> beautiful an lively.
> 
> Still working on it but stay tuned.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael Acevedo  wrote:
> 
>> RGB,
>> 
>> I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the open
>> blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open world.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
>> 
>>> 2012/12/22 janI 
>>> 
 I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better
>>> explain
 what I mean.
 
 The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the
 original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value.
 
 A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal:
  - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose
  - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function
 
 AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products
 can only dream to go:
 - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth.
 - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group
 - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized
 versions
 - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented
 product.
 I could go on.
 
 I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess
 after all we are OPEN office.
 
>>> 
>>> +1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we
>>> are
>>> trying to go beyond every limit ;)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please
>>> dont
 judge it on that. It is simply a "thought out of the box", and
>>> hopefully it
 can trigger some ideas.
 
 You can see my "proposal" here:
 http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header,
>>> but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of
>>> other situations where a big logo is needed.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Ricardo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 
 Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world.
 Jan I.
 
 
 On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo  wrote:
 
> Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly...
> 
> Have a good afternoon...
> 
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand <
>>> armin.le.gr...@me.com
>> wrote:
> 
>>Hi Michael,
>> 
>> this (
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/**
>> content/images/AOO_logos/<
> 
 
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/
>> )
>> might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a
>> browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the
>>> complete
>> gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe
>>> repaired by
>> using the other wing.
>> 
>> Looking forward to your suggestions :)
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>>Armin
>> 
>> 
>> On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Armin,
>>> 
>>> I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo
 but
>>> desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung
>>> case
>>> where
>>> they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on
 their
>>> flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is
>>> actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last
>>> jpeg
> file
>>> I
>>> sent yesterday.
>>> 
>>> All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of
>>> something
 on
>>> updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which
>>> is a
>>> circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with
> something
>>> tangible during the next few hours.
>>> 
>>> Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD
>>> high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hi Michael,
 
 thanks f

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