Re: How do I do this in bash ??
Hi, * Dave Selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-19 11:48]: >I know 'date' gives me exactly what I want but I cant figure out how to get >tar to write a file with the value of date as its file name ... Basically, tar czf myFiles.`date`.tar.gz myfiles though that gets you whitespaces in the file name. You should use date(1) with a format string, have a look in date's manpage. Thorsten -- Intolerant people should be shot. msg24897/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I control the display output (number of lines)
Moin, * Roland Wegmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-26 11:21]: >How can I control number of lines per 'page'? For example when I use the >command 'aptitude search gnome' the output is a huge list, that 'runs >over' my 'bash window' and I can only read the last search results. Scroll back using Shift-PgUp/Shift-PgDn or use aptitude search gnome | less Thorsten -- There must be a parallel universe where Starbucks sells cocaine in dilute, controlled, taxed doses, but where (crack) caffiene is sniffed and smoked in huge binges, and smuggled in by evil Columbian cartels. - Rogerborg msg26354/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Learning PERL
Moin, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-31 15:17]: > I know this is slightly off-topic but it's definitely related to >virtually all Un*xen I've ever come across. I have a colleague who has >never used a *real* OS but now as part of his job he has to. A few times >I've come across him doing things like find/replace over and over in nedit >to change every occurrence of fred for wilma for example. NEdit is perfectly able to do things like this using regexes, in the whole file or in multiple files. See help node 3. If it gets a bit more complicated, he could use NEdit's macro language, see help node 22. Learning Perl is a good idea though. I'm afraid I didn't learn it from a book, so all I can say is that the combination of the Camel book and Ram book is great for daily work. Thorsten -- Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - Georges Santayana msg27710/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More detailed post ...
Hi, * Dave Selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-04 23:34]: >1. Is there a downloader for debian that will handle broken downloads ? If >not can anyone recommend one ? The thing usually recommended is wget(1). >2. How do I sent an 'ATZ' reset string to my modem from the command line ? Just guessing, untested: cat 'ATZ' > /dev/modem Thorsten -- Unix is not an 'A-ha!' experience, it is more of a 'Holy shit!' experience. - Colin McFadyen msg28633/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More detailed post ...
Hi, * Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-05 00:08]: >>2. How do I sent an 'ATZ' reset string to my modem from the command line ? > >Just guessing, untested: >cat 'ATZ' > /dev/modem Doh. Not cat(1), it's echo(1). Thorsten -- Is there a suspect in your family? - Contact the Ministry of Information. msg28646/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?
Hi, * Timothy Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-05 18:27]: >Have a read at what a horrible nightmare cut&paste is under X. >http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html I can't find any thing horrible in this text. Thorsten -- A smoking section in a restaurant is like a peeing section in a swimming pool. - Unknown msg28828/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?
Hi, * Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-06 02:29]: >- double-click a URL in some text in xterm >- move to mozilla >- click in the Location box >- move hand keyboard to type ^U to clear >- move hand back >- middle click to paste > >I'm sure someone will point out an easier way. - double-click a URL in some text in xterm - middle click to paste Thorsten -- You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or who says it. - Malcolm X msg29014/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: editing a text file in a tar.gz file without decompressing
Hi, * Calber Chainy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-08 11:32]: >I have example.tar.gz, and I know in it there is a file named >document.text, a plain text file that I want to edit. > >So I wondered if there is such an application that I can edit >document.text without having to untar and decompress the file. I think jEdit can do this. Thorsten -- The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience. - Albert Camus msg29409/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: editing a text file in a tar.gz file without decompressing
Hi, please don't use tofu mails. http://www.vranx.de/mail/tofu.html * Calber Chainy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-08 12:54]: >Mmmm, I cannot find it in my sources, is it a command line program? No, it's an editor written in Java. I don't know whether there is a debian package available. Thorsten -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. msg29413/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More detailed post ...
Hi, * Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-08 21:46]: >Colin Watson wrote: >> ... >> You could always follow his Mail-Followup-To: header, which is designed >> for exactly this purpose: >> >> Mail-Followup-To: Debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >But how would you propose I do that? Do a "View Source" on every >message? Yes, if your MUA forces you to do so. However, I think the better approach is to lean back a moment and think about it: Why would anyone want to have the reply twice? Is there any technical reason why you would receive one mail but not the other? >(By the way, where is that message header defined? I just searched >through all the IETF RfCs but couldn't find it.) Whatever the RFCs say, I think the motivation is clear: Don't send the mail twice. It is highly unlikely that anyone would post on a list but not be able to read it, so one reply is enough. Thorsten -- It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein msg29489/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [~OT:] reply-to triggers different address?
Hi, * Nori Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-09 17:27]: >is there a way i can tell mutt to automatically use the different >address when i'm writing to that list? or do i have to remember >myself? subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' I put these things in a different file which is sourced in my mutt.rc. Thorsten -- It is exactly because markets are amoral that we cannot leave the allocation of resources entirely to them. - George Soros msg29690/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More detailed post ...
Hi, * Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-09 19:02]: >Thorsten Haude wrote: >> However, I think the better >> approach is to lean back a moment and think about it: Why would anyone >> want to have the reply twice? > >Well, someone could want list messages that are replies to them to show >up in the their regular mailbox so they notice them quickly, and also >want all list messages to show up in a mailbox thatis specific to the >mailing list. There could be all kind of motives to copy things. I often copy files and even mails, but I don't expect anyone to take care of it for me. >> >(By the way, where is that message header defined? I just searched >> >through all the IETF RfCs but couldn't find it.) >> >> Whatever the RFCs say, ... > >Wait a minute. You can't just start demanding arbitrary behavior of >other people. But I don't. If you want to call it 'demand', I demand that you *avoid* arbitrary behavior by adding addresses to your mails. In this case, you know fucking well that I don't want each mail twice, so I figure that you must be trolling. Go away. Thorsten -- Try not to be a man of success but rather of value. - Albert Einstein msg29714/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Shells
Hi, * Radek Zajkowski [Deb] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-09 22:42]: >I'm using the bash shell, but in the package list in dselect it lists korn >and zsh as loaded as well. Can I just unistall them or does my system needs >them anyway? I doubt you would need either one, but I recommend Zsh over the Bash. Maybe you take a look at it. Thorsten -- It is up to us. - Carl Sagan msg29751/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More detailed post ...
Hi, * Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-10 03:44]: >If I use Netscape Communicator's Reply function (which I think >implements the standard Reply-to-author function), it only goes to the >author and doesn't get back to the mailing list. > >So instead I use its Reply All function (which I think implements the >standard Reply-to-all function) to get the reply back to the list. > >I'll try to delete the non-list addresses, but how the hell is what >I've been doing arbitrary behavior? I'm not intimate with the datails of Netscape's usage; you arbitrary send the mail to two addresses where one is enough to do the work. Please explain where the value is in sending the mail twice. Thorsten -- Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. - Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1 msg29840/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More detailed post ...
Hi, * Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-10 03:47]: >Is there any chance that elimination of duplicate messages can be >done (relatively easily) with procmail? Procmail can even delete spam; that's no reason to send some. Thorsten -- The best leaders are those barely known to their followers; after them, those they love; after them, those they fear; after them, those they despise. - Lao Tzu msg29841/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More detailed post ...
Hi, * Fred Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-10 08:13]: >On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 01:46, Thorsten Haude wrote: >> I'm not intimate with the datails of Netscape's usage; you arbitrary >> send the mail to two addresses where one is enough to do the work. >> >> Please explain where the value is in sending the mail twice. > >i think a bigger problem is that mail from lists.debian.org does not use >the standard convention of setting the "reply-to:" header to the list's >post address. This is usually considered a feature, not a bug: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Thorsten -- There's no such thing as a stupid question. Only stupid people. - User Friendly msg29845/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More detailed post ...
Hi, * Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-10 22:10]: >In any case now I am deleting the author's e-mail address from the >To:/Cc: list (unless I forget). Thanks. I have rarely a problem with things happening accidently on mailing lists, so this is fine by me. Thorsten -- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. - Thomas Jefferson msg29980/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Editors (was: editing a text file in a tar.gz file without decompressing)
Hi, * Paul Mackinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-11 11:22]: >I've been learning emacs (gone to far to go back to vi at this point) >and kind of sneering at all-in-one IDE's, but Jedit is worth a >look. Auto-formats nicely, prints nicely (better than emacs, IMO), >sophisticated plugin manager (you'll want a fast internet connection >to use it) with mature content, and several options for compiling. The >one I use is just a console window that runs my regular javac, but >preformats the command line for me with all the options that you >aren't using now because it would be too tedious to type. > >Haven't found a workable debugging module yet, but someone will write >one soon, this project clearly has a comitted & savvy crew behind it. In fact, I use NEdit, because jEdit is too slow for my tastes. However, jEdit is really very nice, and I hope that NEdit gets some of its features. Thorsten -- Kaufen, was einem die Kartelle vorwerfen; lesen, was einem die Zensoren erlauben; glauben, was einem die Kirche und Partei gebieten. Beinkleider werden zur Zeit mittelweit getragen. Freiheit gar nicht. - Kurt Tucholsky msg30189/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Rethinking mail
Hi, * David Turetsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-16 22:33]: [mutt and exim] >Now that I'm up in a graphical environment, do these two still make the >same sense? Is mutt available for my notebook, running under Windows XP? I think that Mutt makes a lot of sense in a graphical environment. Mut is not a cheap replacement until you get a real MUA running under an GUI, but simply a very, very good program. Mutt runs on Windows with the help of Cygwin, but I don't know about the MTA (Exim or another one). >For now, I'm running Microsoft's Outlook, which also contains my > >calendar and addressbook, and editing all but simple email using vim > >while trying to evolve a clean, coherent mail format (Something was not so clean in this mail.) Thorsten -- Getting a thrill out of some stupid quote is a sign of idiocy. - turmeric msg31179/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: XF86Config-4 option for a Wide screen notebook
Hi, * Hooman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-29 08:12]: >The first problem that I have is that the my computer's native >resoloution is 1280x854, but Xserver boots the system with 1024x780. >How can I fix this problem. The graphic card is NVidia GeForce420 >32MB and the driver in XF86Config is "nv". I needed a modeline for my 1280:768 notebook running Woody. With Knoppix 3.1 running from CD, I couldn't get any better resolution than 1024x768. So look around for your monitor's type and try to find a modeline for it. Thorsten -- People who thinks quotes are witty are fucking morons. - turmeric pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Setting up a firewall
Hi, * lameth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-06 18:51]: >I just upgraded to a cable modem at home. Is it necessary to set up a >firewall under linux to protect my computer and if so is there a >firewall packaged for debian? Firewalling is a complex thing and would require some time to plan and set up. Securing your boxen is a good idea though. Read up on it in the 'Securing Debian Manual' in the package harden-doc, available at a Debian Server near you. Thorsten -- Is there a suspect in your family? - Contact the Ministry of Information. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Would like some recommendations on Laptap: must satisfy the following ->
Hi, I just got a really sweet Notebook meeting most of your requirements. There are a lot of people running Linux on it, some BSD is also working. * Walter Tautz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-07 21:20]: >built in cdrom and floppy, no stupid docking stations...sony vaio...yikes >better yet a built in dvd drive No internal floppy, but a CD-RW/DVD drive. >needs to be able to run vmware so that windows can be run... No idea, but don't see a problem except maybe performance. >lightweight, good sized screen, great resolution, 1.5 kg, 10.6", 1280x768 >Probably i386 arch would be the best since I'm not sure VMware >will work on non i386 arch... Crusoe TM5800 >Powersave mode has to work easily in linux. Suspend works fine, if that is what you're aiming at. >It just has to work without a lot of hassles of looking for obscure patches.. >:-) So it does, though there are patches that seems to increase speed. >price is the least important but it would be nice to not to spend too much >not more than 2000US Starts at $1549 Thorsten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Would like some recommendations on Laptap: must satisfy the following ->
Hi, * Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-07 21:56]: >-- Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote >(on Monday, 07 October 2002, 09:43 PM +0200): >> I just got a really sweet Notebook meeting most of your requirements. >> There are a lot of people running Linux on it, some BSD is also >> working. >You can read through it yourself if you don't believe me, but you never >mention the brand and make of the notebook you describe... Could you >forward this info the list, please? Oh my. Fujitsu Lifebook P-2110 Thorsten -- There's no such thing as a stupid question. Only stupid people. - User Friendly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: simple shell scripting question
Hi, * Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-07 23:44]: >I have a webstie which I manage both from home (mac) and work >(woody). I use sitecopy at work but my access is only via ftp, so >sitecopy can't identify newer files on the website. So after I >upsdate the site form home, I usually log in to my work ocmputer and >immediately ftp the new site files over. This can be slightly >tedious, and I would like to be able to do this in just one command. >so I'd like to be able to do this: I'm pretty sure that sitecopy can help you. Maybe you can find something in the manpage. If not, you should have a look at wget, which is a non-interactive ftp-client. Thorsten -- Scully: Do you have a theory? Mulder: I have plenty of theories. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: zsh globbing
Hi, * Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-08 22:01]: >In bash I can do this: > >js-21:57:41-~$dpkg -l zsh* >Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >| >Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed >|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: >uppercase=bad) >||/ Name VersionDescription >+++-==-==- >ii zsh4.0.4-33 A shell with lots of features. >[...] > >In zsh: > >zsh % dpkg -l zsh* >zsh: no matches found: zsh* > >Why? Good question. Assuming no files beginning with zsh are in pwd, the bash shouldn't find anything. It's probably a matter of policy whether you are warned or not. I like the zsh way, but considering the Gazillion options of the zsh, I wouldn't be surprised if you could change it. If you want to to have useful completion of dpkg parameters, you should look around for zsh's smart completion. I use a set from SuSE and it really helps me a lot. >While I can do > >zsh % ls .z* >.zcompdump .zhistory .zshrc .zshrc~ Yup, you have these files, so they are expanded. Try this: ls .z* and you will see what zsh thinks about the files you will get. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: zsh globbing
Hi, * Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-08 23:06]: >Traditional Bourne shell behavior specifies that if a globbing >expression matches no files, then the globbing expression itself is >passed to the program as an argument. Didn't know that. I still like zsh's behaviour for this very reason: It's less surprising for people who don't know. Thorsten -- There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XML editor in debian?
Hi, * Lars Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-09 00:28]: >Are any XML editors included in the debian dostribution? If not, are >there any good freeware XML editors out there? What features are you looking for? If I would have to edit XML, I would use my bread-and-butter editor NEdit. Thorsten -- Getting a thrill out of some stupid quote is a sign of idiocy. - turmeric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt help, please
Hi, * Lonnie Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-11 00:46]: >I am using woody, and as you can see from this mailing, I can send >mail from Balsa, no problem. How do you send mail with Balsa? Do you use your MTA or any function from within Balsa? >When I fetchmail, if comes in OK, and of course I can read it in Mutt. >I can send a mail to myself locally, and the from header looks OK, and >of course it is immediately there for Mutt to read. So the MTA is working at least locally. >When I try to send a mail through my ISP, the mail seems to go >somewhere, but never shows up when I fetch the e-mail from my ISP. Also, >when I look in the mailq it is empty, and when I check >/var/spool/exim/input it is empty as well. > >So it would seem that Mutt is putting something in a header that causes >my sent mail to get rejected by my ISP, and it gets thrown >away. My first guess is that you didn't set up your MTA correctly. I don't use Exim, but I'd expect some question about local systems/domains and a smart host or relay host. These would be things to look up in Exim's documentation. Thorsten -- Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt reply_regexp help
Hi, * Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-11 20:24]: >I'm on a number of internal distribution lists where I work and they >are all terrible for format and netiquette, but one goes so far as to >add a bunch of stuff to the subject line which messes up my >threading. Actually, it could be the outlook clients doing this, but >the Re: part is actually "RE:". I think this is the reason threading >is messed up because on the few posts that come in using "Re:" >threading works. > >So, I need help putting together a reply_regexp line that will >recognize this. The default is "^(re([\[0-9\]+])*|aw):[ \t]*". >Obviously I'm regexp-impaired, so how could I change this to help my >problem? This regex should work. This not really a solution, but it may help anyway. Try Cedric Duval's Edit Thread patch: http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/index.php3#threads Thorsten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt index question
Hi, * Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-13 21:23]: >Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-13 11:49:26 +0200]: >> Thanks for the info. I actually could see the image usign xv, but it >> was quite distorted, and I couldn't find the asterisk. >> >> > man xwd >> xwud: XWD file format version mismatch. > >Interesting. It works for me using Debian stable woody xwud from the >xbase-clients 4.1.0-16 package. Mine is a SuSE 7.2. Thorsten -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt index question
Moin, * Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-14 00:33]: >Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-13 21:48:08 +0200]: >> Mine is a SuSE 7.2. > >Hmm... You know, somehow when someone has a reply address of debian@ >and the discussion is in a debian user list I don't think anyone would >fault me for assuming that you were using a Debian based system. :-) Sure. I just wanted to show why I can't try to get your results. I only use SuSE because Woody doesn't like HPT370s and I have had no time yet to look for a solution. Thorsten -- The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. - James Madison -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Straightforward printing help urgently needed
Hi, please don't sign your mails unless your keys are on the keyservers. Thorsten -- In dem Augenblick, wo wir anfangen unsere Freiheitsrechte einzuschränken, besorgen wir das Geschäft der Terroristen. - Günter Grass -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Straightforward printing help urgently needed
Moin, * Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-01 18:13]: >Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> please don't sign your mails unless your keys are on the keyservers. > >Mark's key was, at least on the ones I use. > >keyserver keyring.debian.org >keyserver wwwkeys.us.pgp.net So it must be a local problem, sorry. (Now I have the key, but can't verify it. This is probably due to a broken MDA.) Thorsten -- Unterschätze nie die Macht dummer Leute, die einer Meinung sind. - Kurt Tucholsky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPG/PGP signing
Hi, * Robert Waldner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-01 19:49]: >>> > please don't sign your mails unless your keys are on the keyservers. > >Which keyservers would that be, then? Which keep in sync with which? *.pgp.net Thorsten -- The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be inviolable. - German Grundgesetz, Article 10, Sec. 1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPG/PGP signing
Hi, * Robert Waldner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-01 23:44]: >On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:37:14 GMT, Colin Watson writes: >>On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 07:49:09PM +0100, Robert Waldner wrote: >To which keyserver is one expected to upload ones key, so that everyone > on this (and near every other, for that matter) list will be able to > get it? > >Me myself, I prefer keyserver.net, some others use keys.pgp.com, then > there's *.pgp.net and http://www.cert.dfn.de/dfnpca/pgpkserv/ > And surely, there's a ton of others out there. All of them? > Impossible. A select few? Which ones, which criteria, will fit everyone > (or as close as matters)? Well, yours is the first signature I was not able to get from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net. There are those that don't know about keyservers, but everybody else seems to use *.pgp.net. However, I thought they would exchange keys, so I would like to hear more about this, too. Thorsten -- Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. - Grundgesetz, Artikel 10, Abs. 1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPG/PGP signing
Hi, * Robert Waldner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-02 00:19]: >On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 00:08:08 +0100, Thorsten Haude writes: >>Well, yours is the first signature I was not able to get from >>wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net. There are those that don't know about keyservers, >>but everybody else seems to use *.pgp.net. > >Hmm? It sure is on there, for ages even: I see it now. The solution must be that GPG scans my outgoing mail and only accepts keys after I complained that they are not available. Thorsten -- Auch Hunger ist Krieg. - Willy Brandt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xscreensaver locks twice
Hi, I use xscreensaver to lock my notebook's screen after it resumes. For this, I start xscreensaver in ~/.xinitrc and call xscreensaver-command from apmd_proxy: xscreensaver-command -lock However, everytime the notebook wakes up and the lock is activated, I get the following error: xscreensaver: LOCK ClientMessage received while already locked. This happens even after very short suspends and even though I set the timeout to 99 hours. It's only a minor blemish, but I would still like to remove it. Do you have any idea what happens here? Thorsten -- Alles ist richtig, auch das Gegenteil. - Kurt Tucholsky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Compiling From source
Hi, * Shri Shrikumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-10 13:25]: >1. How easy is it to set something up so a group of packages get >automatically compiled (with some preset flags for optimization). With Gentoo - easy. With Debian it would take probably much longer than you can ever hope to save later. >2. Which all packages are the prime candidates. Presumably XFree86 is a >candidate - what about libc and suchlike. I already compile the kernel. Anything you often use, most certainly the libc and X, maybe qt or gtk or whatever. >Would compiling gcc speed up compiling ? Yes, but it should have no effect on the speed of the compiled program. >3. How much minimum spare hard drive space would I need? Never had a problem with that, couldn't be much. >3. Is it worth it ? No. You wouldn't notice any difference. Thorsten -- Getting a thrill out of some stupid quote is a sign of idiocy. - turmeric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RFC: Caps Lock
Hi, I want to get my caps lock key a new purpose (because I absolutely despise the current one) and want to hear your opinion about it. There are several options: - a second ctrl key - make a Modn key from the OS key, another Modn key from caps lock - make the same Modn key form OS key and caps lock So what are your thoughts about this? Is there another good use I could put caps lock to? Experiences? Thorsten -- Unterschätze nie die Macht dummer Leute, die einer Meinung sind. - Kurt Tucholsky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Caps Lock
Hi, * Glyn Kennington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-10 17:36]: >> So what are your thoughts about this? Is there another good use I >> could put caps lock to? Experiences? > >If you're a vi user, you may find it useful to swap it with Escape. Good thought! I'm not, however. Thorsten -- Alles ist richtig, auch das Gegenteil. - Kurt Tucholsky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Caps Lock
Hi, * Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-10 17:55]: >> >> So what are your thoughts about this? Is there another good use I >> >> could put caps lock to? Experiences? >One of my favs is to just set it to nothing. You can accidently hit it all >day and it won't change a thing. I think that the nuisancy of the key will be much lower if it's only a modifier. >I know it is not a popular view point, but personally I strive to never >customize things like the keyboard because I move from machine to machine a >lot. That's actually one of reason I want to do this. I sit on a Sun from time to time, and pick up the habit to search for Ctrl in the wrong place. (For some reason, that's no problem in the other direction.) Thorsten -- Der Leser hat's gut: Er kann sich seine Schriftsteller aussuchen. - Kurt Tucholsky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Caps Lock
Hi, * sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-10 19:13]: >On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 05:36:18PM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >> So what are your thoughts about this? Is there another good use I >> could put caps lock to? Experiences? > >well, if someone ever spills coke all over your laptop keyboard and >you lose the ability to type the 'a' and 's' keys, CAPS makes a >great stand in. left shift works nice for 's' too :) I see. Well, I sure hope I never need this specific piece of advice, but If I ever, I hope I'll remember. >you can even take it a step further and do what a friend of mine >does, actually taking the two keys out of the keyboard and swapping >them, making physical modifications to the keys if necessary to make >'em fit. No need to, I rarely ever look at these keys. Thorsten -- Politik kann man in diesem Lande definieren als die Durchsetzung wirtschaftlicher Zwecke mit Hilfe der Gesetzgebung. - Kurt Tucholsky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Caps Lock
Hi, * Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-10 21:04]: >Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-10 19:42:10 +0100]: >> >> So what are your thoughts about this? Is there another good use I >> >> could put caps lock to? Experiences? > >Out of the box a fresh install with X will give you the option to >customize the keyboard and make it into nothing or another control >key. I believe package you could dpkg-reconfigure in order to see >that dialog is xserver-xfree86. That would be a way to do it. I found another one that builds an xmodmap file by hand which I wanted to use. However, there are so many options that I wanted to ask you about best practises. The actual situation is a new notebook which has my first keyboard with OS keys and without umlauts. So I have to modify things anyway. >I turn the right control into caps lock so that I could still use it >for those once in a lifetime times. I plan to put that on Shift+CapsLock. >These are all just my preferences. That's exactly what I am asking for. Thorsten -- Gee, I wish we had one of them doomsday machines. - General "Buck" Turgidson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Caps Lock
Hi, * Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-10 17:36]: >I want to get my caps lock key a new purpose (because I absolutely >despise the current one) and want to hear your opinion about it. Thanks to all who answered! Thorsten -- Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MP# (or OGG) -> WAV? How?
Hi, * stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-17 15:14]: >I'm reading a bunch of records inot myy system using the great gramofile >package. I'm converting these .wav files to .mp3's (or maybe .ogg's) but I >wonder if it's possible to go the other way? Sure. The first thing that comes to mind is xmms, which has a 'Disk Writer Plugin' for this. Thorsten -- The trouble with being a peace-nik from the comfort of your home is that it's a lot harder than blindly supporting a war half way around the world. - martingale -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Double APM Resume
Hi, I want to lock my notebook's screen on resume, so I added a short script in /etc/apm/resume.d. However, I get the resume event twice and I wonder why this happens. Do you have any idea why this happens or what I can do to avoid it? Thorsten -- Getting a thrill out of some stupid quote is a sign of idiocy. - turmeric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: openoffice
Hi, * fLokNo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-30 13:56]: >how do i enable special (german) characters in openoffice like äöü. >i have an english keyboard that works fine with evolution/mozilla etc. >there i press " and then a which gives me ä. > >in oo this procedure doesnt work, how to enable it. I enter the Umlauts using an xmodmap(1) keymap. That also gets rid of the pesky Caps Lock. However, I don't use OOo, so I can't garuantee that it works. Thorsten -- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. - Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: your mail
Hi, * Gregg & Monica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-30 17:56]: >I need to know if my computer can support debianand I need to knwo if it >will support the gui...here are my computers info... > >[Information about system] There is no way somebody can garuantee that Debian will work. Just get it and try to install it, it's cheap. Thorsten -- Wasn't the storming of the Bastille an act of terrorism? Probably. Now it's a holiday. - umarsyed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cfdisk
Hi, * Bruce Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-30 19:05]: > I'm fooling around with cfdisk and wanted to ask the superiors about >something. I plan to dual boot this with windows 2000. On the first >partition because I've had disatrous results when windows is NOT on the >first partition. Anyhow, now I've created a boot partition and after I >enter the size, a new menu pops up with Beginning, End, and Cancel. Since >there is already a first partition, do I now choose End? Depends. From your description, I think you want Beginning, but I can't really say from the distance. The Beginning/End is the beginning/end of the current hole where you create the partition in. > I'll also need to create the swap and root partition. What do I choose >when this menu pops out again? All help is greatly appreciated. Depends on where you want them. Thorsten -- Auch Hunger ist Krieg. - Willy Brandt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cheap CDs
Hi, * Mark L. Kahnt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-30 19:06]: >Maybe I've just read past this several times in the package list without >my brain catching what was being said, but what is a good program for >cloning bootable data CDs? I want to make a couple extra copies of the >Woody CDs, and with both a burner and a CD-ROM on my box, I'd like to be >able to just load both up and *copy*, but nothing seems to handle it all >that well. I know that Xcdroast will clone audio CDs, but that is not my >goal. KreateCD should be able to do that, though it doesn't work here. Thorsten -- Wasn't the storming of the Bastille an act of terrorism? Probably. Now it's a holiday. - umarsyed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: your mail
Moin, * John Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-01 05:17]: >Thorsten Haude wrote: >>* Gregg & Monica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-30 17:56]: >>>I need to know if my computer can support debianand I need to knwo if >>>it will support the gui...here are my computers info... >>> >>>[Information about system] >> >>There is no way somebody can garuantee that Debian will work. Just get >>it and try to install it, it's cheap. >> >Newer is not always better. I would advise trying a version of Debian >like potato or possibly older which was developed for the age of machine >you have and will more likely run on it. You will still be VERY pleased >with the results. Also just do a very basic install and pick your >applications very carefully as you will not have a great deal of space >to work with. That may make sensse from a technical point of view, but I doubt that most people used to windows would like Potato better than Woody. Chances are good that Woody will work, so it's worth a try. Oh, and there is no reason to send me the same mail twice; I'm not even the guy doing the install. Thorsten -- The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be inviolable. - German Grundgesetz, Article 10, Sec. 1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No Umlauts in Gnome Apps
Hi, I cannot see Umlauts (äöÜ) and other special characters (æß) in my GTK applications (Gimp, EasyTAG, Gedit, GKrellM). I use a US keyboard layout and a modified keymap to enter these special characters. This works fine for KDE, LessTif and Tk, but GTK does not display them, all I get is a zero-width character. I can use the clipboard to move these zero-width character to KDE or LessTif, They are diplayed perfectly then, so it seems to be only a display problem. What's up with my system? As a side note, I also get a warning on start of most GTK apps: Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library I can remove this warning by setting LC_ALL to C, but I don't know about the consequences. Which would be the best documentation to read about this? (Setting LC_ALL does not help with special characters.) tia, Thorsten -- In dem Augenblick, wo wir anfangen unsere Freiheitsrechte einzuschränken, besorgen wir das Geschäft der Terroristen. - Günter Grass -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No Umlauts in Gnome Apps
Moin, * Johan Ehnberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-01 14:15]: >Edit /etc/environment or apt-get install localeconf so that the result >is (replace fi_FI@euro with your own locale: de_DE@euro): > >LANG=C >LC_CTYPE=fi_FI@euro >LC_NUMERIC=fi_FI@euro >LC_TIME="C" >LC_COLLATE="C" >LC_MONETARY=fi_FI@euro >LC_MESSAGES="C" >LC_PAPER="C" >LC_NAME="C" >LC_ADDRESS="C" >LC_TELEPHONE="C" >LC_MEASUREMENT="C" >LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" >LC_ALL= I have this now, and it seems to work as good as on your system. >-Some GTK apps like gnome-terminal don't work (I use xterm instead, >which gives öäå) I haven't found one of these yet. >-Other apps start slowly, eg gedit (30 sec. of 100 % CPU usage), but >give öäå I see this with gedit (which I don't use) and Eterm (which I *do* use). I also remember that I had this problem with Eterm before. I went away when I installed some additional fonts. Yes, that seems to work. Try to install xfonts-*-transcoded and see if the problem persists. >-Gnome starts up a bit slower (stops for an extra 5 secs on >Windowmanager of I remember correctly). I don't use Gnome, only some applications, so this is no problem. >-Some Gnome gunctions are really f:d up, like changing icons for >launchers. These crash on you completely. Haven't noticed anything yet. Thorsten -- Every person shall have the right freely to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. - German Grundgesetz, Article 5, Sec. 1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt and multiple identities
Hi, * Matthew Daubenspeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-01 20:57]: >folder-hook . source ~/.muttrc >folder-hook =INBOX.NWLSDsource ~/.mutt/nwlsd_muttrc > >For testing purposes, the NWLSD setup has a different set of headers >and a different signature. This seems to work when I switch to the >NWLSD folder. > >However, if I switch back to INBOX (or any other folder), it still >seems to use the NWLSD settings. If I don't switch to the NWLSD >folder, all the settings are as they should be until I switch. Any >ideas what I am doing incorrectly? Maybe you don't set the settings back? You have to set them back individually, not by file. Thorsten -- Wasn't the storming of the Bastille an act of terrorism? Probably. Now it's a holiday. - umarsyed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: good procmail alternative?
Hi, * Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-07 04:55]: >I've recently been trying to give spamassassin a go, so naturally I ended >up looking at procmail. Then I tried to build procmail, wow it sure does >take me back. Trouble is, I don't want to go back. Can anyone recommend >a more modern program/perl script that does what proc mail does and will >serve as a front end from which to call spamassassin? I used Mail::Audit for quite some time, but it probably has a serious bug which makes it impossible to verify some signed mails. It also seems to be unsupported. I will try Maildrop next. Thorsten -- You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or who says it. - Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: good procmail alternative?
Hi, * Walt Mankowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-07 05:33]: >On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 05:23:53AM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >> I used Mail::Audit for quite some time, but it probably has a serious >> bug which makes it impossible to verify some signed mails. > >Mail::Audit's MIME code has an annoying tendency to reformat message >bodies and thereby break GPG signatures. And, it's annoyingly turned >on by default. Fortunately it's easily turned off. Try some >variation of this: > > my $msg = Mail::Audit->new(nomime => 1); Duh. Now that I think of it, what is the reason to use MIME anyway? >> It also seems to be unsupported. > >It's been a while since the last release, but it is still being >supported. I sent fixes for two small bugs to the bug tracker a year ago, but got no answer (It's still unfiled in fact). You can't get much more unsupported. >In fact, Simon Cozens, the module's author, recently >started up a mailing list. See > > http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/30/0353228&mode=flat&tid=5 > >for more information. Good info, thanks. I will see whether I can get a reply there. Thorsten -- Calvin: "Who can fathom the feminine mind?" Hobbes: "I like `em anyway" msg17590/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: good procmail alternative?
Hi, * Walt Mankowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-07 15:23]: >On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 12:04:20PM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >> Duh. Now that I think of it, what is the reason to use MIME anyway? >The person who added that code wanted to do filtering based on MIME >attachments, e.g. disallow attachments, only allow certain types of >attachments, etc. The problem is, the module it's using to parse MIME >messages sometimes reformats paragraphs, and that breaks GPG >signatures. It really shouldn't have ever been released with that >option turned on by default. So the problem seems to be that the mail is changed, not that some option is activated by default. (Though I agree that it shouldn't.) >> >> It also seems to be unsupported. >> > >> >It's been a while since the last release, but it is still being >> >supported. >> >> I sent fixes for two small bugs to the bug tracker a year ago, but got >> no answer (It's still unfiled in fact). You can't get much more >> unsupported. > >There have been a lot of changes to it in CVS (some of them by me!), >but you're right that's it's been a long time since the last release, >and that no one's monitoring the bug tracker. I don't particularly need a release, but you should at least fix the bugs for which the fixes are included in the bug report. >> Good info, thanks. I will see whether I can get a reply there. > >Hopefully the fact that Simon has started up that mailing list is an >indication that he wants to jumpstart support for the module. I sure hope this. The broken signature is a complete showstopper. Thorsten -- I propose we leave math to the machines and go play outside. - Calvin msg17621/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Eterm title magic?
Hi, you should put your key on the public server. * Robert L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-17 20:09]: > I know with "Eterm -T 'foo'" I can set the title for my Eterm, but is it >possible to have it set to whatever is going on in my Term? A co-worker >using xterm has it set up so the title changes if he ssh's to a >different box, etc. > >Thoughts, theories, suggestions? Try to set the prompt. Thorsten -- It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw. - Calvin msg19716/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Eterm title magic?
Hi, * Robert L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-17 21:02]: >Thus spake Thorsten Haude ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >> you should put your key on the public server. > >Should be on keyring.debian.org in the minimum. Uploaded it a month or >more ago. It seems that wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net is down. >> >Thoughts, theories, suggestions? >> >> Try to set the prompt. > >? Set the prompt. There are special sequences that set the title. Thorsten -- Getting a thrill out of some stupid quote is a sign of idiocy. - turmeric msg19732/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sources.list
Hi, * Joyce, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-20 01:46]: >Can someone tell, is there a way of running the bit of the install procedure >which sets up the sources.list ? apt-setup I think, you should check this yourself. Thorsten -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my .muttrc is locked (i.e., read-only)
Hi, * p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-20 02:18]: >my .muttrc is "read-only." i need to >modify it, as i've been able to do >in the past. i don't know what i >did to make it r/o. > >(permissions = 666) > >$ ls -la .muttrc > >-rw-rw-rw-1 bt bt 8503 Oct 31 00:13 .muttrc That looks ok, except that I wouldn't make it world-writeable. What is the problem? What exactly are you trying to do? Thorsten -- All generalizations are false. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xterm behavior
Hi, Your lines are too long. * Robert Storey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-12-20 08:46]: >1) The prompt. Under Debian, the Xterm prompt is: sh-2.05a$ >How can it make it obey this setting: PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' You should set this in ~/.bashrc. Don't forget to export it, though I'm not even positive this is required. >2) Xterm ignores my settings in .bashrc and /etc/profiles concerning aliases. For >example, I would like to add these settings: > > alias rm='rm -i' > alias cp='cp -i' > alias mv='mv -i' > set -o noclobber > >I noticed that under Debian, my aliases in .bashrc are ignored, but I can set them >system-wide in /etc/profiles. That seems weird - any ideas? First make sure you *are* running bash in bash mode. Second, forget X11 for a second until you are sure that your shell is working. The alias thing should not be influenced by this, but you never know. Third, read up on bash's startup in the man page, INVOCATION. What happens if you source the file containing the aliases? What about other entries in .bashrc? Thorsten -- Getting a thrill out of some stupid quote is a sign of idiocy. - turmeric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automatic timeout in enlightenment?
Hi, * Larry Hunsicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-01 18:16]: >I have looked through the enlightenment stuff and I can't find anything >about an automatic log-off for inactivity. Of course, I suppose that >this might come from the login manager rather than from the windowing >system. In any case, do any of you have any suggestions about this? I suggest you immediately stop looking for a feature and start searching for a bug. This is most certainly not a feature, and I would be surprised if it is E's wrongdoing. Thorsten -- Golly, I'd hate to have a kid like me! - Calvin msg21839/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: TwinView and workspaces
Hi, * Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-01 22:06]: >Also, I'd love to have a way to have a regular text console on one >screen with X on another, but I don't really know if that's possible nor >where I would possibly begin to look for info. Any info is greatly >appreciated. Well, what happens if you use only one screen for X11? Is the other still usable? Thorsten -- You get your education from copyrighted books, you get your news from copyrighted papers and TV programs, you get your jobs from copyrighted want ads, you get your entertainment from copyrighted music and motion pictures - every aspect of life is affected by the law of copyright. - L. Ray Patterson msg21867/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
OT: Can't connect to Keyservers
Hi, I just was reminded that I have still a problem to access the key servers. When I try to send my updated key to one of the servers, I get the following error: - - - Schnipp - - - yooden@eumel> gpg --send-key 4065A1DA ~gw gpg: Senden an `wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net' erfolglos (status=400) - - - Schnapp - - - (Translation: Transmission to $server unsuccessful.) When I don't get this, I get a timeout. So where should I look to get this problem removed? Thorsten -- I say, if your knees aren't green by the end of the day, you ought to seriously re-examine your life. - Calvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bash guru wanted
Hi, * Michael Naumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-02 00:33]: >I want my bash to obey eof (^D) only if there are no jobs in the background. I can't help you with the Bash, but I recommend the Zsh. The Zsh warns you if you have running jobs, and only exits if you give the command a second time. You may also disown the process running in the background and exit anyway. Thorsten -- It is exactly because markets are amoral that we cannot leave the allocation of resources entirely to them. - George Soros -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bash guru wanted
Hi, * Michael Naumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-02 12:12]: >02.01.2003 00:52:05, Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>[Zsh] > >Thanx for your tip, >But this would not help me. As I stated, the warning is also issued by bash >and disowning jobs is also possible. Ah, sorry, I didn't read the details you wrote about the bash, because I rerely use it. Thorsten -- Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. - The Book -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt: not to fcc attachments?
Hi, * Qian Gong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-03 12:50]: >I want to configure mutt not to fcc the attachments of outgoing mails. >Usually it's not necessary and sometimes the attachments are huge. Under >pine there is a option for this purpose. Any idea how to configure this in >mutt? Thanks. unset fcc_attach Thorsten -- Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. - Pericles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console messages flit by too fast
Hi, * Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-04 18:57]: >I can't believe this is still not solved. I boot the system. I see >some ominous warnings. They scroll by so fast and are gone. Scroll back. Shift-PgUp/Shift-PgDown Thorsten -- It is exactly because markets are amoral that we cannot leave the allocation of resources entirely to them. - George Soros -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: start another X session on remote computer
Hi, * Egor Tur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-07 00:23]: >I start X from xdm. But I have any programme which I run on session of X that I >start form startx from X (use `anybody' parameter for >start X). Question: can I start this X session (from startx) on another computer? How >can I possibly do it? I don't understand. Are you sure you need to start X11 on the other computer? Maybe it's enough to start the application? Thorsten -- The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WTF is popping up that frigging window?
Hi, * Robert L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-12 16:35]: > Recently my machine started popping up a window that I don't remember >telling it to do. When I select a URL in my konqueror or mozilla windows >this pops up asking how I want to open the URL. When I double click a >URL in an Eterm it does the same thing. I think this has got something to do with the KDE clipboard thingy. You should try to change its settings. Thorsten -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compressability if ISO images (was Re: ISO image)
Hi, * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-01-15 01:32]: >Why don't these images compress well? Specifically, I took the >Knoppix V3.1-2002-12-12-EN iso and gzipped it, but only got 1% >compression. I guess the Knoppix guys already try very hard to compress what's on the CD. I hear they have 1.7GB software on this disk. Thorsten -- This is not a signature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Default folder
Hi, * Vittorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-23 14:22]: >I'm using mutt to deal with the lists I've subscribed to. > >I'd like to have the folder folder I receive my personal mail >($HOME/IN.personale) to be automatically opened when I start Mutt. > >What should I do? mutt -f Thorsten -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
Cannot configure Network
Hi, I switched from SuSE to Debian about three hours ago and already run into a wall. The only way to install Debian here is by CD-ROM, because our boxes are not bootable by floppy. So I'm stuck with this Debian 3.0 Preview CD I have. The problem is that dbootstrap never offers to configure device drivers. After step 7.11 (Install Operating System Kernel and Modules) I get straight to 7.14 (Configure the Network), which cannot find any NICs and offers only to set the box' name. I can load the module successfully (well, at least it tells me so) with modconf, but I don't know how to do the net configuration the easy way. Is this a known problem or in some way related to my unapt use of Woody? I would especially appreciate pointer to documents explaining this behavior. tia Thorsten -- When a thing has been said and said well, have no scruple. Take it and copy it. - Anatole France
Re: do I need the IPv4 protocol?
Hi, * Marcelo Chiapparini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-03 16:59]: >In order to use networking in a LAN do I need the IPv4 protocol? Most definitely. Thorsten -- Denn ein Tyrann ist nicht, wenn die Masse nicht geduldig stillhält. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: Users activity logging..
Moin, * Petre Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-06 15:09]: >i'm wondering if there is a software that would log everything a user >types,does,accesses,somewhere in a safe location.. Yup, it's called Carnivore. http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/carnivore/carnivore2.htm Thorsten -- There is no drug known to man which becomes safer when its production and distribution are handed over to criminals.
Re: cant open display
Moin, * Deva Seetharam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-04 19:59]: >i did export DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0 as user and xhost +`hostname` as root. >when i run netscape, i get the error message >Error: Can't open display:... > >then i tried export DISPLAY=:0.0 and tried to run netscape. >i get the error message >Xlib:connection to :0.0 refused by server >Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ke:0.0 > >Could anyone please explain? Not exactly, but I can maybe give a few hints. AFAIK you must run the xhost command as the user who runs the X server. What happens if you do that? There are also two authentication methods, one host based and the one with the cookies. Maybe you could read in some howto about the latter. Thorsten -- When the authorities warn you of the dangers of having sex, there is an important lesson to be learned. Do not have sex with the authorities. - Matt Groening
Re: fancy MDA sought
Moin, * martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-07 11:10]: >does anyone know of a mail delivery agent that's capable of the >following: > > (3) finally, respect ~/.forward, but if that doesn't exist, deliver to > a Maildir? if it can't deliver to Maildirs, that should not be too > much trouble as i could peruse procmail or safecat for that > >this isn't really too much of a hard piece of software, and i'd happily >write a perl script, but i don't want to deal with implementing .forward >parsing. dot-forward from qmail is almost what i am looking for, but it >can't do mailboxes (of course not, why would the high djb even think >about doing it the global way...?) I may be wrong, but wouldn't this break some expectations? I know only of MDAs that are called via ~/.forward, so there's no point in parsing it. What am I missing here? Thorsten -- There's no such thing as a stupid question. Only stupid people. - User Friendly
Re: fancy MDA sought
Moin, * martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-07 12:02]: >also sprach Thorsten Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.07.1136 +0100]: >> I may be wrong, but wouldn't this break some expectations? I know only >> of MDAs that are called via ~/.forward, so there's no point in parsing >> it. >.forward is under user control, so it doesn't matter what happens >therein, i think the delivery process started before .forward was >consulted... Whatever you think, Postfix starts my MDA because I tell it to in my ~/.forward. I've also seen this recommended for Sendmail & Procmail. So if you use your ~/.forward differently, you may run into problems, eg when one user reads the above recommendation. Thorsten -- An intellectual is someone who has found something more interesting than sex. - Edgar Wallace
Mail Chain Broken
Hi, I want to build this mail chain for my workstation: Fetchmail -> Postfix -> Mail::Audit -> Mutt -> Postfix (Mail::Audit is inactive for now.) The packages are installed, the services running. However, I cannot receive mail. A look in the logs showed no errors per se, but a lot of weird addresses. Here is one: Jan 7 15:25:34 acp1575 postfix/smtp[3727]: 1FC50F838: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=post.strato.de[192.67.198.62], delay=91, status=sent (250 PAA11280 Message accepted for delivery) Notice the to-part: acp1575 is localhost, but I doubt that twice is twice as good. Mails to the wild wild net are not rewritten and get through, so I guess that Fetchmail is the culprit. The fetchmail.rc starts like this: - - - Schnipp - - - set daemon 300 set postmaster hde set syslog - - - Schnapp - - - (The rest are accounts.) I looked through the Debian-specific Fetchmail files, but couldn't find anything amiss. What am I missing? Thorsten -- If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough.
Re: HOT GAY SEX!
Hi, * Penguin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-09 13:01]: >Do they use Debian? The site www.xpays.com is running Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) on FreeBSD. (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.xpays.com) Thorsten -- Unterschätze nie die Macht dummer Leute, die einer Meinung sind. - Kurt Tucholsky
Re: Procmail filtering on outgoing mail
Moin, * Jeremy Nickurak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-01-15 00:10]: >Any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated. My mailer does this for me, you might consider to use another one. Thorsten -- When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. - Thomas Paine
Kernel 2.6.0 Cannot Mount Root FS
Hi, I just installed Sarge and made a new Kernel (2.6.0) for it. However, the new Kernel cannot find the root file system: - - - Schnipp - - - VFS: Cannot open root device "2246" or hdh6 Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on hdh6 - - - Schnapp - - - I have no trouble booting Sarge's stock kernel (2.4.22-bf2.4). The rescue function of Sarge's DVD also works fine. I use an Abit KT7A-RAID, both disks are connected to the HPT-370 RAID controller. Grub is installed on the first disk, Sarge is on the second disk. All disks use ext3fs. The new kernel has the following options (all non-modular): - - - Schnipp - - - IDE BLK_DEV_IDE BLK_DEV_IDEDISK BLK_DEV_IDEPCI BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI BLK_DEV_HPT366 BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX EXT2_FS EXT3_FS - - - Schnapp - - - What could be the problem here? What should be my next steps to find the cause of this trouble? Thanks in advance, Thorsten -- Everything below this line is a lie. Everything above this line is a lie. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel 2.6.0 Cannot Mount Root FS
Hi, * Björn Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-06 01:36]: >I had the same problem. >You must do: make mrproper >Then: make menuconfig I see, so that one worked for you! Someone just gave me the tip that I forgot something which was always included in previous kernel: The MS-DOS partition table support. That solved it for me. Thorsten -- The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience. - Albert Camus pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian -> Windows | Windows -> Debian
Hi, * Mike Bentzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-11 00:57]: >I'd like to host my & my dad's web page on a server. I would like it to be a linux >box with debian as the OS. >It will handle the internet connection won't it? Sure, as long as you don't have especially exotic hardware for this. >and can i set up a proxy server between Debian and Windows? Between? On a third box? Can't see why you shouldn't. >We are using the same internet connection to host the server and surf the net. > >Is this possible? Of course. Thorsten -- Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent - Isaac Asimov pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Ctrl - s, s key problem
Hi, * Yan Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-18 21:28]: >I am new to debian and linux. I installed Debian last week. Now, I have >a problem. If I press Ctrl - s in a terminal or in Emacs, the s key will >not reponse anymore no matter how I press it. That's annoying. I have to >reboot the machine to get the s key to work again. But, I do need Ctrl - >s, especially when using Emacs to edit something. Anyone know how to >resolve this problem. I don't know about EmacsOS, but the terminal is locked with Ctrl-s. Just press Ctrl-q to unlock it. Thorsten -- Linux is user-friendly. But it is neither ignorant-friendly nor idiot-friendly. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Ctrl - s, s key problem
Hi, Please send me every mail only once. * Yan Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-18 21:48]: >Thorsten Haude wrote: >>I don't know about EmacsOS, but the terminal is locked with Ctrl-s. >>Just press Ctrl-q to unlock it. >> >Many thanks for the reply. However, it is not the lock problem. Only the >s key is not working, other keys work well. Now *I* wonder. I always thought this is be a feature all terminals share? Nothing happens if you press Ctrl-s? What terminal do you use? Thorsten -- There is no drug known to man which becomes safer when its production and distribution are handed over to criminals. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ssh-askpass ?!
Hi, * Roberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-19 18:08]: >I always used to use ssh with a command line like this: >$ ssh -l user hostname.domain.name >If I do it now, it tells me that file /usr/bin/ssh-askpass is missing. Dou you use a key to log into that host? I only use ssh-askpass to enter my key passphrase, not for entering passwords. See ssh-add's manpage for details. >Then I installed ssh-askpass-gnome, the GTK2 frontend for ssh-askpass... >When I am root, ssh does function normally, it asks me for the password >directly on the shell; when I am an user, and am in X, it asks me for a >password in a GTK2 dialog box; I have read ssh's manpage, where is >written that if the ambient variable SSH_ASKPASS is set, then >ssh-askpass will be invoked. But that variable does not exist! How did you make sure? It's hard to believe that ssh would make such a gross mistake in either code or documentation. >Another thing: when I do ssh from a tty such as tty1, it does not ask me >the password, writing into the shell something like this: >Permission denied, please try again. >Permission denied, please try again. >Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). >I understand what these mean, but I cannot log in the remote host... :P Sure looks like the password is fed from somewhere. Thorsten -- As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. - Dick Cavett pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie Install
Hi, * John G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-19 20:12]: >I am about to put up my first server. I hope to make it dual boot to >get experience on both linux and windows 2003. That would be a workstation then, not a server? >1. Which os do I load first. Everything I have read so far assumes I >have already installed windows. But this is a clean server. Install Windows first. It's a bad sportsman and has a history of interfering with other operating systems. Make sure that Windows boot from the bootmanager you choose. I like Grub, but Lilo seems to be more popular and more easy to use initially. >2. Which is easier, to install from the Knoppix disk, or from the Debian >disk. I know that the Knoppix will work because it booted completely from >the CD. If Knoppix works, then other Debians work. If you want to learn, I suggest installing a stock Woody. That is more work but also more learning. Don't use Sarge or Sid. Thorsten -- The history of Liberty is a history of the limitation of government power. - Woodrow Wilson pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Changing language
Moin, * Pär Lidén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-21 01:06]: >Hello! Anyone there knows how change your default language on the system? >I want all my other setting (sorting,date format and such things) to be my >native language (swedish) but I want all messages to be in english. Is >this possible to do? dpkg-reconfigure localeconf Thorsten -- Scully: Do you have a theory? Mulder: I have plenty of theories. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Future of Linux Question
Hi, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-22 23:04]: >Why doesn't someone develop a similar protocol to Microsoft's network >neighborhood and smb for Linux. So when you join a NIS like system that >it will automatically authenticate you on your Linux network with your >currently logged in user name and password. This way people that are >accustomed to using Microsoft networking could just migrate over with a >similar path. For users that are going to be desktop users they are going >to rely on a gui front end with something like network neighborhood. For far too long Microsoft has been telling people that you could have both security and convenience with all things. Thorsten -- Sometimes it seems things go by too quickly. We are so busy watching out for what's just ahead of us that we don't take the time to enjoy where we are. - Calvin pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Erm, is this spam?
Hi, * Nathan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-24 03:11]: >In the Reference code: #14715, are all files, that we found on your >computer. My guess is that it's a worm, and something stripped off its dangerous content. Something working like that was pretty successful in Germany. Thorsten -- A: Top posters Q: What's the most annoying thing about email these days? pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Derivative effects.
Hi, * Haines Brown wrote (2004-01-25 13:21): >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:43:56PM -0800, Day Brown wrote: >> > Linux comes from Unix, which was designed for mainframes. >> > windows comes from dos, which was designed for personal desktops. >> >> Well technically Unix was designed for mid-sized computers... > >And wasn't DOS designed for the workstation? The adaptation of DOS for >personal use I associate with Windows 3.1, while OS/2 was a >(object-oriented) GUI for the workstation. Nope, OS/2 is the operating system and was supposed to replace DOS. The GUI is called Presentation Manager, and the first versions of Windows were in fact called Presentation Manager for DOS. The desktop is Workplace Shell and I'm still missing some of its features. >I kind'a miss DOS. With a decent shell it might have been just endurable. Thorsten -- When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. - Edmund Burke pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: libs
Moin, * Dr Gavin Seddon wrote (2004-01-25 13:21): >Recently I have been troubled with missing libs. Is there a repository >for Debian libs? What's wrong with Apt? What are you missing? Thorsten -- I fear that Digital Rights Management today is Political Rights Management tomorrow. That embedding these kinds of technological controls into the very architecture of computing has the capacity to become a form of political control in the not so distant future. - John Perry Barlow pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: libs
Hi, Please don't disturb the threading. * Dr Gavin Seddon wrote (2004-01-25 14:32): >The prob. is, it may not find a so file that I apt-get. What are you trying to do? Thorsten -- There is no drug known to man which becomes safer when its production and distribution are handed over to criminals. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: libs
Hi, Could you please stop using tofu? http://www.vranx.de/mail/tofu.html * Dr Gavin Seddon wrote (2004-01-25 14:59): >Can you tell me of a repository that contains lbs, since apt-get finds >nothing? You are asking all the wrong questions. What repository you are looking for? What packages do you need libs for? What is apt-get supposed to find? Please explain what you are trying to do. Thorsten -- If people could put rainbows in zoos, they'd do it. - Hobbes pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installation
Hi, * Nick Kirchner wrote (2004-01-25 17:58): >During install I partition the 6GB hard drive into a 100 MB swap at the end >of the disk the rest as the Linux partition. I would've put it at the beginning to gain a little extra speed, but that shouldn't matter much. >When I try to install kernel and base system it give errors. Is there a question implicated? You surely don't expect us to be able to help you without giving any detail. Thorsten -- Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. - Daniel Webster pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Email client programs
Hi, * Curtis Vaughan wrote (2004-01-28 06:44): >I know this is not a windows list and I have never yet asked a question >like this on here before, but perhaps there is someone who knows the >answer to this question. How about asking Microsoft support about it? Thorsten -- Jede Glorifizierung eines Menschen, der im Krieg getötet worden ist, bedeutet drei Tote im nächsten Krieg. - Kurt Tucholsky pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]
Hi, * Nano Nano wrote (2004-01-30 07:01): >My first test message to the outside world bounced with: > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host smtp.comcast.net[216.148.227.125] said: >550 >[PERMFAIL] comcast.net requires valid sender (in reply to RCPT TO >command) > >exim always added my "Sender" header for me. > >What to do? What's in the log for this message? Thorsten -- Endorsing products is the American way of expressing individuality. - Calvin pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]
Moin, * Nano Nano wrote (2004-01-30 08:52): >On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 08:19:36AM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >> What's in the log for this message? > >from /var/log/mail.log: > >Jan 29 23:42:00 desk postfix/smtp[4117]: 8AEF514756: >to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=smtp.comcast.net[204.127.198.27], >delay=0, status=bounced (host smtp.comcast.net[204.127.198.27] said: 550 >[PERMFAIL] comcast.net requires valid sender (in reply to RCPT TO >command)) (Oops.) Don't be so frugal, what are the other entries for this mail? Thorsten -- Every person shall have the right freely to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. - German Grundgesetz, Article 5, Sec. 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
