Thunderbird 1.0
hi there, does anyone know if thunderbird 1.0 is going to make it into unstable anytime soon? cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird 1.0
Ralph Katz wrote: Sam Halliday wrote: does anyone know if thunderbird 1.0 is going to make it into unstable anytime soon? Alexander Sack, the debian maintainer, has what you want on his website: http://www.jwsdot.com/debian/index.html thanks! by the way, i installed the enigmail plugin, but i am having real hassles trying to get it to work with GPG signing/encryption. has anyone got a HOWTO or some advice on how to set this up? cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird 1.0
Ralph Katz wrote: Sam Halliday wrote: does anyone know if thunderbird 1.0 is going to make it into unstable anytime soon? Alexander Sack, the debian maintainer, has what you want on his website: http://www.jwsdot.com/debian/index.html drat... no powerpc builds... cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thunderbird style search in Firefox
for anyone who has thunderbird installed, they will notice that when you search for an item in the search bar, a little button appears which allows you to clear the field... is there an extension to firefox which enables the same feature in its search bar? as it is very irritating having to manually clear the search bar every time. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird style search in Firefox
Ralph Katz wrote: And Sam, to clear the search bar, Ctrl-J, Delete or just type new entry. thanks, unfortunately that is not an optimal solution as on my laptop keyboard it is quite tricky to send Delete. the little X box which thunderbird has is preferable to any keyboard shortcut to be honest. i was just wondering if anyone has written a little extension to add that support... cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird 1.0
Ralph Katz wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Sam Halliday wrote: by the way, i installed the enigmail plugin, but i am having real hassles trying to get it to work with GPG signing/encryption. has anyone got a HOWTO or some advice on how to set this up? Make sure to turn on hushmail support. It passes the email address devoid of < and > to gpg. Without that turned on gpg often fails. turning this on makes no difference Just Works for me. I didn't need to turn on hushmail support. Sam, if you installed with apt-get or aptitude, it's like any other automatic install. i don't mean system-wide install, it seems to be well encorporated. i mean setting it up as an end user. i have asked in the accounts options for my mail account (under OpenPGP) to use my GPG by ID number (i was given a box to choose). i have also selected to always sign messages, encrypted or not. but upon sending any mails, there is no signature made and it doesn't even ask for my passphrase! if i go into the Security menu when Composing a message and ask to encrypt or sign the message, it gives me some speil about Personal Certificates. so i do not think it has been configured for GPG. btw GnuPG is set up and workign fine on my system. i have used it on the command line, in emacs and in sylpheed-claws many times in the past. You'll need to provide more details on your troubles to get meaningful help. Error messages, enigmail log entries? i am afraid i cannot see any output anywhere. if i go into OpenPGP->Advanced->Debugging and test my own email address (which my key is registered with) it asks for my passphrase. when i enter it, all i get is a window with a single word "error" and no further info. i told it to use /tmp as the log folder, but no files were written. i am at a loss to what is wrong. Have you checked the docs? yes, as far as they say... it should "just work". although i am confused what all this Personal Certificate business is about... its a sure sign that enigmail out of the box is configured for something other than GPG encryption. i think i will install gpg-agent and see if that makes a difference. although the very fact that the configuration was able to let me choose my key is a sign that it *is* getting through to my GPG setup somehow. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird 1.0
Sam Halliday wrote: i think i will install gpg-agent and see if that makes a difference. i cannot find gpg-agent in the debian package lists, so i guess that isn't the problem... cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird 1.0
Steve Lamb wrote: Sam Halliday wrote: but upon sending any mails, there is no signature made and it doesn't even ask for my passphrase! if i go into the Security menu when Composing a message and ask to encrypt or sign the message, it gives me some speil about Personal Certificates. so i do not think it has been configured for GPG. Nope, those are for S/MIME. Did you install both Enigmail and Enigmime? i only installed: mozilla-thunderbird/testing 0.9-6 mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail/testing 2:0.89.0-1 enigmime is merged into the enigmail package now. i don't care for any of this Personal Certificate stuff... i just want to use it with GPG. and in fact, Thunderbird is *ignoring* all the PGP/Mime attachments for all the emails i have looked at which i *know* have signatures (over IMAP). it is also saying that ASCII signed emails have no "Digital Signature". cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird 1.0
Steve Lamb wrote: Sam Halliday wrote: i don't care for any of this Personal Certificate stuff... i just want to use it with GPG. and in fact, Thunderbird is *ignoring* all the PGP/Mime attachments for all the emails i have looked at which i *know* have signatures (over IMAP). it is also saying that ASCII signed emails have no "Digital Signature". Ok, well, let's run through this. I've got TBird installed and working with Enigmail. So, let's compare. everything i have is the same On the main window do you have "Enigmail" between "Message" and "Tools" on the menu bar? no! how odd. so i uninstalled the system-wide Enigmail and downloaded/installed the xpi from the official site. then i *do* get the menu entry, and during Compose i get an OpenPGP menu entry as well... however, i get a pop-up when i start the Composer to say Enigmail is not working. When reading mail do you have "Enigmail" between "Message" and "Tools" and/or a Decrypt Icon between Forward and Delete? When composing mail do you have "Enigmail" between "Options" and "Tools" and/or an OpenPGP icon between the Attach and S/MIME icons? only after installing the XPI... i only started using Thunderbird 2 days ago... perhaps this is just a problem with people starting a new thunderbird account on the latest versions. perhaps you might see the same as i do if you temporarily move your .mozilla-thunderbird folder out of the way, and set up a new account. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird style search in Firefox
Ralph Katz wrote: Sam Halliday wrote: thanks, unfortunately that is not an optimal solution as on my laptop keyboard it is quite tricky to send Delete. Tricky to hit the delete key?! yes its a laptop keyboard, so Delete (unlike Backspace) requires a two-key combination, which is just a pain. when you think about it... thats 4 keys you need to press in order to clear the taskbar, but a single click could do the same thing. to be honest... i use this key combination and always have... but i much prefer the button Thunderbird implements. since no-one seems to have written an extension to do this (its maybe a little ridiculous to write an extension for something so trivial), i have opened up a wishlist report on bugzilla https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275193 hopefully it'll get picked up for 1.1 thanks for everyone's replies! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird 1.0
Ralph Katz wrote: perhaps you might see the same as i do if you temporarily move your .mozilla-thunderbird folder out of the way, and set up a new account. Ouch! You're right. Fresh install ain't working for enigmail. You should file a bug report. Alex is very good with the fixes. (I've filed several reports on this package over time.) thankyou for confirming my sanity! :-D i'll get on that report... cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird 1.0
Ralph Katz wrote: perhaps you might see the same as i do if you temporarily move your .mozilla-thunderbird folder out of the way, and set up a new account. Ouch! You're right. Fresh install ain't working for enigmail. You should file a bug report. Alex is very good with the fixes. (I've filed several reports on this package over time.) err... as you can (hopefully) tell from this email. it seems to have just fixed itself. how odd! i'll file a report anyway, since there is definitely *something* wrong. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Skippy, Expose clone
hi there, has anyone ever used this tool: http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php it claims to do what expose does in Mac OS X. i'd like to see this debianised and in unstable... but i guess i'll just have to compile it myself until then. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Thunderbird style search in Firefox
Jonathan Kaye wrote: Sam Halliday wrote: for anyone who has thunderbird installed, they will notice that when you search for an item in the search bar, a little button appears which allows you to clear the field... is there an extension to firefox which enables the same feature in its search bar? as it is very irritating having to manually clear the search bar every time. I just use ctl-f which opens the search box if it's not already open. It highlights any text in the box if it's already open so anything I type replaces what's highlighted. It shifts focus to the search box as well so even if the box is on the main Firefox browser window ctl-f will get you straight to the search box. I'm using KDE and ctl-f is the search command used in KDE apps anyway. Isn't that easier and quicker than using a button. no. consider the situation where i have selected text from the browser window which i wish to search for. C-f will not delete the text in the search window, and neither will pasting over it. the only key combination which will do what i wish involves 4 key presses on my laptop C-k Fn-BS (to send C-k Del). a button would be much better, and not require me to learn any new key strokes. i already use emacs... i think thats enough key shortcuts for a lifetime! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Thunderbird style search in Firefox
Ralph Katz wrote: For searching *within* a web page in firefox sorry if i was unclear... i mean the search bar at the top. the one that requires search engines, like google. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Thunderbird style search in Firefox
Jonathan Kaye wrote: Sam Halliday wrote: Ralph Katz wrote: For searching *within* a web page in firefox sorry if i was unclear... i mean the search bar at the top. the one that requires search engines, like google. OH that one! If you mean the one just to the right of the basic url textbox, then ctl-k does that for you. no, you need to 'C-k Del' to do what i want. besides... that is not the point. i knew the keystroke from the very beginning of the thread, i was axing if anyone had written an extension to do what thunderbird does; bring up a 'clear' button. thanks anyway. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Issues with Gnome-2.8
hi there, i have been a long time blackbox user, but recently decided that maybe a full blown desktop would be nice for a change. so i installed gnome-2.8 from testing/unstable. it looks very sweet, but i have several issues which i hope some people can help me with: - gnome overrides .Xmodmap (even if i try and load it manually in .gnomerc), and i have a non trivial setup which i wish to use... the gnome keyboard configuration program does not appear sophisticated enough to do what i want. is there any way to use an Xmodmap style setup in gnome? specifically, i wish to do this (this is my .Xmodmap) keycode 64 = Mode_switch keycode 115 = Alt_L keycode 116 = Meta_L keycode 108 = Multi_key clear Mod1 clear Mod2 clear Mod3 clear Mod4 clear Mod5 add Mod1 = Alt_L - i like to run emacs and dvi viewers in fullscreen mode in blackbox. but i see no way to remove the window shades from a running program under gnome... surely there must be a way! anyone know how? proper fullscreen mode would be even more appreciated (i.e. no window shades or gnome panels in view at all) - on startup i get a warning about the permissions of /dev/pmu being incorrect. i don't want to go messing with the permissions of it... so how can i turn off whatever is trying to access it? thanks in advance! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
editing the GNOME2.8 menu
hi there, i have my panel to show a "main menu" applet in gnome. i wish to edit the entries here... specifically, i wish to remove the "Run Application", "Search for File", spacers and "Recent Documents" entries and have my own custom "Applications". while googling for the answer, i came across this thread: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2003-July/msg00043.html which suggests a source recompile! this thread was speaking of an older version of GNOME2, so i'm hoping things have gotten better. have they? cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: man locale problems.
Tom Allison wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ man passwd > man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct > Reformatting passwd(1), please wait... > > I can get the man pages, but how do I fix the locale error? > I seem to run into this from time to time and ... sometimes are worse > than others. This one isn't so bad, but I thought I should fix it while > I can. apt-get install locales dpkg-reconfigure locales -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firefox and MIME
the way debian's firefox is set up, is that if it sees a file of a certain MIME type, then it will try to opem it in a program suitable for that format. however, sometimes this is just stupid. if i want to load a LaTeX .tex file, firefox spawns Emacs (as with some other text files) and it was the final straw just a minute ago when it tried to spawn GQView to open a jpeg! is there any way i can turn this off for certain file types? as i know fine that firefox can view the files itself -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Visual C++?????
cecil wrote: > Ok, yet again, my prof wants us to use Visual C++. I have not yet talked > to him about this. I have decided that I will HAVE to use X, so I guess > I'm looking for a IDE that will approximate this. I know of anjuta, > kdevelop, and motor(console mode app). Any ideas, suggestions, or > comments? doesn't visual c++ have its own libraries? no matter how close an IDE approximation you have GUI-wise, you will never be able to have a compatible library. just ask him if you are allowed to use any ISO C compiler... unless you are using a specific library (e.g. the windows widgets) then i can't see why there would be a problem... emacs+gcc away! > The new head of the department is English! sorry to hear about that ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Visual C++?????
William Ballard wrote: > Oh and your professor is an idiot. thats a very brave thing to say about a PROFESSOR -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Visual C++?????
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Sam Halliday wrote: > > > > William Ballard wrote: > > > > > Oh and your professor is an idiot. > > > > > > > > thats a very brave thing to say about a PROFESSOR > > > > > > Very brave indeed.. One would think someone with at least 8 years of > > > higher learning more then you would know a thing or two more as well. > > > > i don't get your meaning... > > To be a professor and have tenure in a institution of higher learning > one usually must have a Ph.D. or at least a masters unless the school > in question sucks; That takes a min of around 8 years. aah ok... sorry, i thought you saying that i personally (and not the professor) had a minimum of 8 years and should have known better than to have replied to a troll... mixed wires :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Visual C++?????
Stephen Le wrote: > Being educated does not make you a good teacher. yes, but it doesn't make you an idiot either. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
udev question
hi there, i was wondering if somebody could help me set up udev to make symlinks in a specific way... i have 2 mouse input devices... one is always connected (/dev/input/mouse1) and another is a usbmouse and appears as (/dev/input/mouseX), with X increasing every time i remove and reconnect it. i would very much like to have a symlink set up by udev (/dev/input/mousemain or similar) which points to the /dev/input/mouseX unless it has been removed, in which case it should be pointed to /dev/input/mouse1. unfortunately the /dev/input/mouseX devices all remain when the usb mouse is unplugged and reconnected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get dselect-upgrade
hi there, when i first installed debian i tried to bring over my list of packages using `dpkg --set-selections`, but i ended up just using aptitude and starting afresh. but i recently ran `apt-get dselect-upgrade` and it seems to have a memory of all apps i originally wanted to pull over... is there any way i can clear that list, as i would like to be able to use `apt-get dselect-upgrade` for other reasons (namely a script to purge all uninstalled apps) pgpQ2oOfbU0q1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get dselect-upgrade
Thomas Adam wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > > but i recently ran `apt-get dselect-upgrade` and it seems to have a > > memory of > > all apps i originally wanted to pull over... is there any way i can > > Yes, that was meant to be run *after* you --set-selections! yeah... i know, but at the time (2 weeks ago) i changed my mind after i ran the command and preferred to use aptitude to generate a new list of installed packages. i kinda thought it would be smart enough to use the current `dpkg --get-selections` list, but apparently it remembers some other information as well. > > clear that > > list, as i would like to be able to use `apt-get dselect-upgrade` for > > other > > reasons (namely a script to purge all uninstalled apps) > > Not easily -- and indeed, I think you need to take another approach to the > problem, dselect-upgrade is not the means by which you should go about > removing uninstalled apps. If you have yourself in that situation then > you've broken your own system. well i could easily use aptitude to purge packages... but since that is a pain if i have more than 5 packages which i uninstalled, i'd prefer to use a scripted approach. it's all too easy to type - instead of _, especially since _ on a packge will only - its dependencies. may i ask how this would suggest that i have a broken system? i fail to see the reasoning. > One suggestion I could make to you is an apt-get --reinstall install foo foo+ what would that achieve? i don't want to reinstall any applications, i just want an easy way to purge the uninstalled package config files to save clutter. pgptzjY09LwgR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get dselect-upgrade
Thomas Adam wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > > may i ask how this would suggest that i have a broken system? i fail to > > see the > > reasoning. > > You said to "purge all un-installed apps". I mis-read that. Mind you, it > wasn't well written anyway. :) What you mean is, you "remove'd" a package > but did not --purge? :-) but as a more general solution i'd just like to get my dpkg list to agree with the `apt-get dselect-upgrade` one. > > > One suggestion I could make to you is an apt-get --reinstall install > > foo foo+ > > > > what would that achieve? i don't want to reinstall any applications, i > > just want > > an easy way to purge the uninstalled package config files to save > > clutter. > > Then the only way to do that is to --reinstall and --purge. No big deal. yeah... i had considered doing that, but it seemed a one-liner script to purge apps using dpkg --get/set-selections and sed. pgpM1tq5XfDgC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get dselect-upgrade
David Fokkema wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > > hi there, > > > > when i first installed debian i tried to bring over my list of packages > > using`dpkg --set-selections`, but i ended up just using aptitude and > > starting afresh. > > > > but i recently ran `apt-get dselect-upgrade` and it seems to have a memory > > of all apps i originally wanted to pull over... is there any way i can clear > > that list, as i would like to be able to use `apt-get dselect-upgrade` for > > other reasons (namely a script to purge all uninstalled apps) > > What is the output of > dpkg --get-selections it then prints out what i have installed on the system and nothing else, the problem is not with the output of this program, it is that when i type `apt-get dselect-upgrade` it seems to have a memory of a different list and tries to grab the packages. essentially i would like to synchronise the TODO list with the list that is currently installed on my system. > I'm wondering whether you can distinguish between 'install'ed packages > and something like 'to be installed'. I honestly do not know. But if the > output gives you differences, you could run sed on it and change 'to be > installed' to 'purge' and you'd be set, I think. yeah... that would work if `dpkg --get-selections` was showing that kind of information... but its not. pgphDggQTmhSO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: udev question
John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Sam Halliday writes:
> > i would very much like to have a symlink set up by udev
> > (/dev/input/mousemain or similar) which points to the /dev/input/mouseX
> > unless it has been removed, in which case it should be pointed to
> > /dev/input/mouse1.
> >
> > unfortunately the /dev/input/mouseX devices all remain when the usb mouse is
> > unplugged and reconnected.
>
> So, construct the udev rule:
> BUS="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}="c012", SYSFS{product}="USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse",
> NAME="input/%k", SYMLINK="usbmouse"
thanks john!
however that only solves half the problem... how can i make this /dev/usbmouse
link (or whatever i call it) point to /dev/input/mouse1 (the touchpad) when the
usb mouse is not plugged in?
cheers,
Sam
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Re: udev question
John L Fjellstad wrote: > Sam Halliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > however that only solves half the problem... how can i make this > > /dev/usbmouse link (or whatever i call it) point to /dev/input/mouse1 > > (the touchpad) when the usb mouse is not plugged in? > > You don't. In X, what you do is make one your primary mouse device, > and the other just sends mouse events to the primary mouse device. So, > at my place, the touchpad is the primary mouse device, and the usbmouse, > when plugged in, sends mouse events through the primary mouse device. does that disable the touchpad when the usb mouse is plugged in? > I'm not sure how to do it on the console with gpm, since I don't use > mouse on the console. and thats the real killer... i want this setup for consoles as well. pgphmGbNJJd5v.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: udev question
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > John L Fjellstad wrote: > | Sam Halliday writes: > | > | > however that only solves half the problem... how can i make this > | > /dev/usbmouse link (or whatever i call it) point to /dev/input/mouse1 > | > (the touchpad) when the usb mouse is not plugged in? > | > | You don't. In X, what you do is make one your primary mouse device, > | and the other just sends mouse events to the primary mouse device. So, > | at my place, the touchpad is the primary mouse device, and the usbmouse, > | when plugged in, sends mouse events through the primary mouse device. > > Alternatively use /dev/input/mice and your application will receive > input from all attached mice. Simple. :-) (with kernel 2.6 that > includes USB -and- PS/2 mice) thats not the point... i want to DISABLE the touchpad when the usb mouse is plugged in. and do it dynamically. this takes input from both all the time. pgpnS5KMwJFvI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: udev question
John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Sam Halliday writes:
> > i would very much like to have a symlink set up by udev
> > (/dev/input/mousemain or similar) which points to the /dev/input/mouseX
> > unless it has been removed, in which case it should be pointed to
> > /dev/input/mouse1.
> >
> > unfortunately the /dev/input/mouseX devices all remain when the usb mouse is
> > unplugged and reconnected.
> So, construct the udev rule:
> BUS="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}="c012", SYSFS{product}="USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse",
> NAME="input/%k", SYMLINK="usbmouse"
hi there... i set this up, and udev seems to be creating the symlink dynamically
as expected.
however... there is one major problem! instead of creating the link to
/dev/input/mouseX, it is creating to the link to /dev/input/ts2, which does not
appear to be a valid mouse device. how can i fix it? (ts2 appears only when the
usb mouse is plugged in)
cheers,
Sam
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Re: udev question
John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Sam Halliday writes:
> > however... there is one major problem! instead of creating the link to
> > /dev/input/mouseX, it is creating to the link to /dev/input/ts2, which
> > does not appear to be a valid mouse device. how can i fix it? (ts2
> > appears only when the usb mouse is plugged in)
>
> Please post your udev rule.
BUS="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}="0201", SYSFS{product}="PS/2+USB Mouse",
NAME="input/%k", SYMLINK="usbmouse"
> Also, post the output of
> udevinfo -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/ts2` -a
#
udevinfo starts with the device the node belongs to and then walks up the
device chain, to print for every device found, all possibly useful attributes
in the udev key format.
Only attributes within one device section may be used together in one rule,
to match the device for which the node will be created.
looking at class device '/sys/class/input/ts2':
SYSFS{dev}="13:130"
follow the class device's "device"
looking at the device chain at
'/sys/devices/pci0001:01/0001:01:1b.0/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0':
BUS="usb"
ID="2-1:1.0"
SYSFS{bAlternateSetting}=" 0"
SYSFS{bInterfaceClass}="03"
SYSFS{bInterfaceNumber}="00"
SYSFS{bInterfaceProtocol}="02"
SYSFS{bInterfaceSubClass}="01"
SYSFS{bNumEndpoints}="01"
SYSFS{detach_state}="0"
SYSFS{iInterface}="00"
looking at the device chain at
'/sys/devices/pci0001:01/0001:01:1b.0/usb2/2-1':
BUS="usb"
ID="2-1"
SYSFS{bConfigurationValue}="1"
SYSFS{bDeviceClass}="00"
SYSFS{bDeviceProtocol}="00"
SYSFS{bDeviceSubClass}="00"
SYSFS{bMaxPower}="100mA"
SYSFS{bNumConfigurations}="1"
SYSFS{bNumInterfaces}=" 1"
SYSFS{bcdDevice}="0001"
SYSFS{bmAttributes}="a0"
SYSFS{detach_state}="0"
SYSFS{devnum}="3"
SYSFS{idProduct}="0201"
SYSFS{idVendor}="1267"
SYSFS{maxchild}="0"
SYSFS{product}="PS/2+USB Mouse"
SYSFS{speed}="1.5"
SYSFS{version}=" 1.10"
looking at the device chain at '/sys/devices/pci0001:01/0001:01:1b.0/usb2':
BUS="usb"
ID="usb2"
SYSFS{bConfigurationValue}="1"
SYSFS{bDeviceClass}="09"
SYSFS{bDeviceProtocol}="00"
SYSFS{bDeviceSubClass}="00"
SYSFS{bMaxPower}=" 0mA"
SYSFS{bNumConfigurations}="1"
SYSFS{bNumInterfaces}=" 1"
SYSFS{bcdDevice}="0206"
SYSFS{bmAttributes}="c0"
SYSFS{detach_state}="0"
SYSFS{devnum}="1"
SYSFS{idProduct}=""
SYSFS{idVendor}=""
SYSFS{manufacturer}="Linux 2.6.7-ibookg4-bootsplash ohci_hcd"
SYSFS{maxchild}="3"
SYSFS{product}="NEC Corporation USB"
SYSFS{serial}="0001:01:1b.0"
SYSFS{speed}="12"
SYSFS{version}=" 1.10"
looking at the device chain at '/sys/devices/pci0001:01/0001:01:1b.0':
BUS="pci"
ID="0001:01:1b.0"
SYSFS{class}="0x0c0310"
SYSFS{detach_state}="0"
SYSFS{device}="0x0035"
SYSFS{devspec}="/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
SYSFS{irq}="63"
SYSFS{subsystem_device}="0x0035"
SYSFS{subsystem_vendor}="0x1033"
SYSFS{vendor}="0x1033"
looking at the device chain at '/sys/devices/pci0001:01':
BUS=""
ID="pci0001:01"
SYSFS{detach_state}="0"
#
> udevinfo -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/mouseX` -a
> where X is the number for the usb mouse.
#
udevinfo starts with the device the node belongs to and then walks up the
device chain, to print for every device found, all possibly useful attributes
in the udev key format.
Only attributes within one device section may be used together in one rule,
to match the device for which the node will be created.
looking at class device '/sys/class/input/mouse2':
SYSFS{dev}="13:34"
follow the class device's "device"
looking at the device chain at
'/sys/devices/pci0001:01/0001:01:1b.0/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0':
BUS="usb"
ID="2-1:1.0"
SYSFS{bAlternateSetting}=" 0"
SYSFS{bInterfaceClass}="03"
SYSFS{bInterfaceNumber}="00"
SYSFS{bInterfaceProtocol}=&quo
Re: startx setting the nice level to 5?
Matthias Czapla wrote: > I just noticed that lots of my process run at nice level 5. When I login > at the VC the nice level is 0 as it should and all console programs > inherit this nice value as they should. But when I startx everything > from thereon and including the shell that is executing the startx > script has a nice value of 5. The startx script and all the files > under /etc/X11 don't contain the string "nice" so I really don't know > where this is coming from. Has anybody a clue? binary files can also set the nice value using the syscall nice()... perhaps the XFree86 binary does this and everything inherits. pgpInHQEFckl4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Debianised Firewall
hi there,
i am quite familiar with setting up iptables rules in an initscript, or via
iptables-{restore,save}. i could easily set up my own initscript to do
this, but i was wondering what the correct "debian way" of setting up an
iptables firewall is. is there a file where i should place my rules and let
debian do the rest?
cheers,
Sam
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Re: Debianised Firewall
Paul Gear wrote:
> Sam Halliday wrote:
> >i am quite familiar with setting up iptables rules in an initscript, or
> >via iptables-{restore,save}. i could easily set up my own initscript to
> >do this, but i was wondering what the correct "debian way" of setting up
> >an iptables firewall is. is there a file where i should place my rules
> >and let debian do the rest?
> >
> Debian supports shorewall, a great iptables preprocessor - get a recent
> version from backports.org, and you're laughin'!
cheers... but i do not need a way to generate rules; i already know how to do that. i
just want to know if there is a standardised debian way of loading up a firewall on
startup... like a file i need to dump my (customised) `iptables-save` output into.
else i will just write my own initscript.
cheers,
Sam
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Re: Debianised Firewall
Paul Gear wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > > ... > >>Debian supports shorewall, a great iptables preprocessor - get a recent > >>version from backports.org, and you're laughin'! > > > > > > cheers... but i do not need a way to generate rules; i already know > > how to do that. i just want to know if there is a standardised debian > > way of loading up a firewall on startup... like a file i need to dump > > my (customised) `iptables-save` output into. else i will just write > > my own initscript. > > I know how to do it as well, but i don't because shorewall saves a lot > of time and effort, and protects you from typos. /me does `apt-get install shorewall` and to hell with figuring out the proper way :-) cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ pgpYhrsDpaWlN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debianised Firewall
Sam Halliday wrote: > Paul Gear wrote: > > Sam Halliday wrote: > > > ... > > >>Debian supports shorewall, a great iptables preprocessor - get a > > >recent>version from backports.org, and you're laughin'! > > > > > > > > > cheers... but i do not need a way to generate rules; i already know > > > how to do that. i just want to know if there is a standardised debian > > > way of loading up a firewall on startup... like a file i need to dump > > > my (customised) `iptables-save` output into. else i will just write > > > my own initscript. > > > > I know how to do it as well, but i don't because shorewall saves a lot > > of time and effort, and protects you from typos. > > /me does `apt-get install shorewall` and to hell with figuring out the > proper way :-) hmm, its actually more effort to learn this shorewall thing than just make my own initscript... thanks anyway cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ pgpW2QZdckVYH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debianised Firewall
John Summerfield wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > >cheers... but i do not need a way to generate rules; i already know how > >to do that. i just want to know if there is a standardised debian way of > >loading up a firewall on startup... like a file i need to dump my > >(customised) `iptables-save` output into. else i will just write my own > >initscript. > I know how to write in assembler too, but I generally don't. :-) yeah... but i actually have an iptables script lying around, so its just a case of copying it to /etc/init.d and making a symlink... but i'd prefer not to do such a homemade job of it. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ pgpPIq9ZUwHVL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: iptables rule for sshd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -sport ssh -j ACCEPT try iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 \ -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ pgpJJ7ABPNwih.pgp Description: PGP signature
Moving Package List
hello, i know this is probably somthing which is discussed often on the list... but i was unable to find anything in the archives, the apt FAQ or several google searches... so i'm posting to the list. i have a machine running Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable with a package list i am very happy with. i would like to move this configuration to another machine which i am performing a fresh install on. how can i get a list of all the packages on this system and how can i read that info into the new one? also... can i keep the aptitude package states? it seems a bit of a hack, and cause all kinds of hell if i were to just copy over /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgpQmxRSZdzYk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Console Fonts and Keymaps
hi there, while i was trying to set up my keyboard's map by hand (which is a new mac layout), i suddenly became very confused with how debian handles standards compliant console fonts. the default setup was SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16 in /etc/console-tools/config. this confuses me. i have been googling to actually find out the differences between all the Latin-X encodings, and i cannot find any documentation on what "Latin-0" is (or what the sun part is)... everyone seems to just say it is the same as Latin-9 why then are there 2 standards for the same thing? also, i do not like this font set as it lacks many characters (such as the sterling symbol). and the euro is decimal value 252, and not 164 as it should be in Latin-9 [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/latin9.html] i decided that using Latin-9 would be the way to go, after seeing that it contains the euro symbol. however, when i tried the fonts /usr/share/consolefonts/lat9-16.psf.gz /usr/share/consolefonts/lat9v-16.psf.gz /usr/share/consolefonts/lat9u-16.psf.gz /usr/share/consolefonts/lat9w-16.psf.gz i could not see any euro! (what does the vuw mean?) and in fact, several characters were still missing... such as the "section" symbol. (when i refer to "section" in a keymap file, i get the "not equals" symbol printed out). could somebody please help me select a standards compliant Latin-9 (iso-8859-15) set of console fonts so that i can write my keymapping and have all the symbols displayed!! (hopefully i won't have the same hassles with aterm fonts and X fonts in general) cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ pgpGVKTXrCTWC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Console Fonts and Keymaps
hi there, > while i was trying to set up my keyboard's map by hand (which is a new mac > layout), i suddenly became very confused with how debian handles standards > compliant console fonts. grrr... sorry i missed the "if you are using a framebuffer, make sure you apply this to all the virtual terminals or only tty1 will be effected". things are looking better now! pgp3PDhiAbEFz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: $PATH and /etc/profile
Bob Proulx wrote: > Simon L wrote: > > When I log in text mode, the entire PATH is there as I want, I can > > "startx" and when I open a terminal, the PATH is perfect. > > Now, if I start the computer with KDM and that I run a terminal, the > > PATH is only: "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games" > By starting a login shell. Create ~/.xsession with the following: > > #!/bin/bash --login > exec x-session-manager # or gnome-session or whatever. RG! you can't be serious!! .xsession as a LOGIN shell?? repeat after me... X windows is not your shell! Simon, the reason you do not get your PATH set correctly is that if you login at a console, /etc/profile will be read because it is a login shell. starting X from there will inherit all your settings. if however, you login via kdm/gdm/xdm, it is NOT a login shell, so /etc/profile is not read. there are good reasons for this. if you do not agree with these good reasons, then you can simply add the line . /etc/profile to your ~/.xsession file. doing as Bob suggests and changing your X login to a login shell is NOT the way to solve this problem. the only reason his solution works is because in the process of making X a login shell, /etc/profile will be sourced. in his solution you will be seen to be logged in twice. > P.S. Does it seem like I answer this question about every other week? i hope you aren't giving this advise to everyone! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ pgpaneds0gRvr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Framebuffer compiled-in fonts and keymaps
hi there, i was wondering, on a 2.6.7 linux kernel, i have the chance to compile-in fonts and keymaps. i wish to compile in fonts which have a full iso-8859-15 (Latin-9) compliment. is there any way i can do this? there is also no kernel option for the character mapping either. could i maybe copy over my choice from /usr/share/consolefonts? if so... how can i be sure it will be set up to use the iso15 mapping? i used to know how to make the compiled in keymaps for 2.4... but it seems the new system uses a .c file and i do not know how to create it. anyone know how? cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://www.nongnu.org/fhsst/ Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel/ http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel/ pgpiPS4FaRICY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: $PATH and /etc/profile
Michael B Allen wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Simon L wrote: > > > > When I log in text mode, the entire PATH is there as I want, I can > > > > "startx" and when I open a terminal, the PATH is perfect. > > > > Now, if I start the computer with KDM and that I run a terminal, the > > > > PATH is only: "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games" > > > By starting a login shell. Create ~/.xsession with the following: > > > > > > #!/bin/bash --login > > > exec x-session-manager # or gnome-session or whatever. > > > > RG! you can't be serious!! .xsession as a LOGIN shell?? > > > > repeat after me... X windows is not your shell! > > Right. That's why the correct method is to change: > > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start > > to read: > > exec -l $SHELL -c "$STARTUP" who said this was the "correct" way? if it was the "correct" way, do you not think the debian maintainers would have done this a long time ago? > This will exec the session manager though a login shell. This permits the > shell to contibute to the environment (in the case of bash this includes > sourcing /etc/profile). > > > > > Simon, the reason you do not get your PATH set correctly is that if you > > login at a console, /etc/profile will be read because it is a login shell. > > starting X from there will inherit all your settings. > > Why is this different from what is happening above? If you run startx you're > starting X from a login shell. it IS differnet. if you start from the console, you should really do `startx &` to detach from the console and allow you to continue working on the console and X; hence 2 logins. try `startx`, lock your screen, do a Ctrl-Alt-F1 and realise that C-c will kill the X session and give whoever is at the machine your console login. using startx is an arcane way of starting up X. use a login manager. > > if however, you login via kdm/gdm/xdm, it is NOT a login shell, > > True, I suppose it's not a "shell" but if you're using *dm conceptually it > is a login. yes... it IS a login, and sessreg will register it. > > so /etc/profile > > is not read. there are good reasons for this. if you do not agree with > > these good reasons, then you can simply add the line > > . /etc/profile > > to your ~/.xsession file. > > No. 1) this is an arcane hack that the average user should not have to put > up with why? .xsession is there for users to set up their system. perhaps i don't want the login files to be sourced during my X login? what do i do then? come on... its one line! > 2) ~./xsession is not executed unless you choose "Default System > Session" -- if you select "KDE" or "WindowMaker" etc the xsession.d scripts > bail out before ~/.xsession is reached. exactly. and why should it be reached? it is up to debian to set up the PATH for each of these window managers, not the user. > > doing as Bob suggests and changing your X login to a login shell is NOT > > the way to solve this problem. > > Well besides Debian I only have access to a RedHat machine but from looking > at their X scripts the xsession is exec'd through a login shell precisely as > I described. So it's not too far fetched. In fact it makes perfect sense to > me. do you also have access to a SUN machine? a *BSD machine? all of these systems have been using this method for years... it is standard. it is the way it is done. X is NOT a login shell. > > the only reason his solution works is because in the > > process of making X a login shell, /etc/profile will be sourced. in his > > solution you will be seen to be logged in twice. > > No. This is false. hmm, you are correct about not being logged in twice. i could have sworn on my LFS system last year this counted as 2 logins... > if you run startx on the console then you *are* logged in twice this is true. but that is becuase you ARE logged in twice. once in the console, and once in X. > Personally I think I would rather appear as > having logged in an extra time (like Ctrl-Alt-F2 and login) than be required > to hack some obscure X session control file that newbies are clueless about > and ask about every two weeks. newbies generally don't use .xsession, they use the drop down window to choose a desktop. curious users use .xsession, and they should be given the correct answer, which can be solved in userspace... not sysadmin space. X is not a login shell. besides, how is change: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start to read: exec -l $SHELL -c "
Re: $PATH and /etc/profile
Bob Proulx wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > By starting a login shell. Create ~/.xsession with the following: > > > > > > #!/bin/bash --login > > > exec x-session-manager # or gnome-session or whatever. > > > > RG! you can't be serious!! .xsession as a LOGIN shell?? > > repeat after me... X windows is not your shell! > > Yes, I am very serious. Please tell me why you are so adamantly > opposed to this. (Other than it being poorly documented and > confusing. I completely agree there.) > > 9.7. KDE (kdm) does not read my .bash_profile!". The login > managers xdm and kdm do not run a login shell, so .profile, > .bash_profile, etc. are not sourced. When the user logs in, > xdm runs Xstartup as root and then Xsession as user. So the > normal practice is to add statements in Xsession to source the > user profile. Please edit your Xsession and .xsession files. this says exactly what i said. > > if however, you login via kdm/gdm/xdm, it is NOT a login shell, so > > /etc/profile is not read. there are good reasons for this. if you do > > not agree with these good reasons, then you can simply add the line > > . /etc/profile > > to your ~/.xsession file. > > Negative. That won't get your ~/.bash_profile, or .login with csh, > sourced. so source all the files you want sourced. you should not source bashrc as it should contain bash interactive shell specific stuff (like functions and aliases which do not get inherited anyway). you should only source POSIX compliant shell stuff if you are using a POSIX shell. you could change your .xsession's shell however and source csh files. i have never done that. non-POSIX shells are the devil. > Also your vehemence at opposing the .xsession as a login shell, and > then proposing that it simply source the /etc/profile, seems > completely inconsistent to me. Why do you oppose sourcing the file > and then propose sourcing the file! My turn for an, "RG!" :-) sourcing /etc/profile is not equivalent to logging in. logging in will do more than that. > [Darn, I really wish you had suggested sourcing the ~/.bash_profile or > ~/.bashrc files in the /etc/Xsession* script. Because that is > definitely wrong and I would have a serious rebuttal. :-) :-) yes, it is... for the reasons i said above. sourcing ~/.profile would be a good idea though, and i do that. > > in his solution you will be seen to be logged in twice. > > What are you talking about here? Logged in twice? Please explain. > Because I think you are the one way off base here. I think you are > confused about what it means to be a login shell. i was wrong here... debian must do something as on my LFS system last year (standard X scripts) this would count as a double login. probably a workaround because they seen so many people were doing this kind of thing. in fact... do a `grep -R sessreg /etc` to see what debian do. they exec any sessreg calls, so that stamps out any double logins. thats that puzzle sorted out! however, on most systems (eg SunOS, *BSD, other GNU/Linux) having .xsession be a login shell would count as a double login. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sftp sources?
hello there, i am trying to convert a bunch of friends to using Debian GNU/Linux as opposed to the unmaintained Redhat... a major selling point being the constant maintenance and security updates by FTP and HTTP. unfortunately all of the would-be-converts are in a university network which has bandwidth allocation caps on FTP and HTTP. for example: a typical FTP download (to a machine 5 miles away) goes at ~2K/s, even when the undergrads have all gone home and are not clogging the resources, whereas an scp (across a hemisphere and a timezone) goes ~200K/s. the good news being that port 22 is not capped: i was wondering if there were SFTP sources equivalent to the FTP lists? (or any other non ftp/http methods which may solve this problem) cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Soundcard probs and total novice
Steve wrote: > I have an onboard soundcard that should conform to the ac97 module. I > can insmod ac97, and the associated modules. Soundcore is also > installed - but /dev/dsp is still not available (either doesn't exist > or permission denied - it tends to vary). > > What the hell do I need to do to get the souncard working? this might not be what you mean... but have you tried running alsamixer yet? the sound levels default to zero and you need to unmute everything (`m` button i think). from the sounds of things you are still trying to send sounds to /dev/dsp... what are you using to play sounds? what program is outputting the error? try using the alsa plugin for xmms to see if it outputs anything. also, you say you can `insmod ac97`; is that the oss driver or the alsa one? if the former, then remove it and load the alsa module instead! they are totally incompatible... if you intent to use alsa, then remove all the OSS kernel stuff (apart from the compatibility layer if you want it). make sure you remove that entry from /etc/modules if that is the case (or just don't compile it if you build your own kernel) i take it you have gone through the debian configure options for alsa. if so, you should have a file like /etc/alsa/modutils/1.0; if sound is still not working, try posting that file on the list, it should only be a few lines long. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Soundcard probs and total novice - update - and only a minor problem now
Steve Hargreaves wrote: > Now the minor problem. I use an S99local file to insmod required modules no need to do that... just add the modules you want to load into the file "/etc/modules" (no need for the insmod command) and the debian bootscripts will load them and their dependencies automagically. > insmod usb-ohci > insmod ac97 > insmod ac97_codec > insmod ac97_plugin_wm97xx > insmod sound > insmod i810_audio by the way, `man modprobe` is better than insmod. > /usr/X11R6/bin/startx hmm... are you running your system as the root user all the time? if so, SERIOUSLY consider installing a user for yourself and set up a graphical login, such as gdm. apt-get install gdm should do the trick (you may need to satisfy dependencies... so use aptitude) > However - sound and i810_audio don't get inserted. If I open a console and do > it manually after boot then there's no problem, and the sound works > wonderfully after re-starting X (restarting the sound server doesn't do it). > > Any idea why these modules are still left out? probably because their dependencies are not being met as you are using insmod. as i said... cat >> /etc/modules << "EOF" usb-ohci ac97 ac97_codec ac97_plugin_wm97xx sound i810_audio EOF should do the trick. i'm even confident you don't need a lot of those module in the file. probably usb-ohci and ac97 will be enough... the bootscripts will calculate the dependencies for you. is "sound" even a module? i thought it was "soundcore" hope that helps! (i take it you are using OSS now as opposed to ALSA?) cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel question
Adam Aube wrote: > On Friday 06 February 2004 04:23 am, David Baron wrote: > > The new kernel image would not boot up because of "missing" modules.dep > > references. Does one need to build the whole thing or is there a way to > > simply use the newer kernel with the modules that are already on the > > system? > > Try running "depmod -a [kernel version #]". do you not also need to point to the System.map file, if you are running depmod on a non-running kernel? depmod -a -F [/path/to/System.map] [KERNELVERSION] cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dvips TeX printer driver
Haines Brown wrote: > When I migrated to debian, I lost my ability to print LaTeX files. No > information is sent to the printer. > > The printer driver is dvips, and I assumed that it was included in the > LaTeX package, for that was the case with my LaTeX installation under > RedHat. Under Debian, is the driver a separate package, and if so what > is it called? what do you mean "driver", do you mean the command you type to print a file? when you have created the dvi file from the latex source, you should just be able to type `dvips file.dvi` and it will be sent to the printer. is your printer working normally for everything else? the dvips command is part of the `tetex-bin' package; if you installed LaTeX using aptitude, i would be VERY surprised if tetex-bin was not also installed. hope that helps, cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem getting sound to work
Mark Healey wrote: > When I boot knoppix it uses via82cxxx_audio and works. I have that > module installed so I added the line to my "via82cxxx_audio" to my > /etc/modules. Still no sound. does it work as root? if so, you need to add your user to the audio group hope that helps, cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dvips TeX printer driver
Haines Brown wrote: > I stayed clear of CUPS because I'm running a stand-alone work station, > and it seems to open a range of hurdles to overcome. What I'm using is > just the default printer system (woody). uuh... i thought CUPS _was_ the default printing system? try installing it... honestly you will be pleasantly surprised how easy it is to set up! once installed, if debian does not already configure it for your own printer, then point your web browser to the cupsd local configuration tool http://localhost:631/admin and you can do all kinds of configuring and setting up from there. if you need any printer config files [.ppd files] (i suspect you will not), then go here: http://linuxprinting.org once your printer is set up, try printing a PS file from the ocmmand line with `lpr file.ps` and let us know if it works. i suspect the programs which were able to print OK, were all writing raw information to the printer device, rather than through some printing system. don't be afraid of running servers like cupsd on a workstation; if you have a printer attached to a computer, the unix way will always be to treat that computer as a print server. you have no problems running an X server just for your machine, do you? ;-) > When I run dvips on a dvi file, it generate what I can > only assume is a proper .ps file, but the output > never gets to the printer. thats normal; as Antonio Rodriquez pointed out, the package maintainer has changed the default action of the program `dvips` to output a postscript file instead of sending it to the printer. i for one welcome this change as it seemed to be the only *2ps program which printed instead of creating a PS file. i don't know how you would change the default action, however. hope that helps, cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem getting sound to work
Mark Healey wrote: > I have a question about this list. How do I prevent my messages from > being forwarded to usenet? Spammers harvest there. i also have a question: why do debian not obfuscate email addresses? like the way mail.gnu.org does. for example, browse http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html i think it would certainly benefit us all! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sftp sources?
Cristian Gutierrez wrote: > Sam Halliday writes: > >i am trying to convert a bunch of friends to using Debian GNU/Linux > >as opposed to the unmaintained Redhat... a major selling point being > >the constant maintenance and security updates by FTP and HTTP. > > > >unfortunately all of the would-be-converts are in a university > >network which has bandwidth allocation caps on FTP and HTTP. for > >example: a typical FTP download (to a machine 5 miles away) goes at > >~2K/s, even when the undergrads have all gone home and are not > >clogging the resources, whereas an scp (across a hemisphere and a > >timezone) goes~200K/s. the good news being that port 22 is not > >capped: i was wondering if there were SFTP sources equivalent to the > >FTP lists? (or any other non ftp/http methods which may solve this > >problem) > > May be they can use an external proxy via ssh. Say, they have ssh > access to host X where X is outside their university network and can > use a proxy on Y:8000 (Y could be X itself). Now they can forward > their localhost:8000 to Y:8000 ssh'ing through X, and set APT to use > localhost:8000 as a proxy. unfortunately thats sounds like the only available option, as non ftp/http source do not seem to exist. the problem is that i do not know anyone external to the network, with root access to a box, willing to give up bandwidth and ports for the cause :-/. thanks anyway though... ill ask around. i know this is a long shot, but has anyone got an FTP mirror running on a non-standard port? cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
list installed packages
hi there, there are many ways to list all the packages a system has installed, but unfortunately i cannot find how to get a list the way i want. i would like to get a listing of all the packages i have installed, with the branch tag beside it. dpkg -l seems to come closest, but lists the packages, the version and a description. i do not want the version or the description just the package name with "stable/testing/unstable/experimental" tag beside it. does anyone know how to do that? i cannot even find a way to get the tag displayed, otherwise i'd just write a simple script to remove what i don't want. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X4.3 (Again)
Hank Marquardt wrote: > I've added experimental to list.sources, I've update and even upgraded > today so the system is current, here's my current X inventory: [ snip lots of 4.2.1-16 stuff ] > What I'm concerned with is that if I enumerate all those in a 'apt-get > --simulate install' statement I get concerned by the output of > removing xlibmesa3 and xlibmesa3-gl ... it looks like all of KDE is > linked/effected by that and while KDE isn't explicitly being removed > I'm worried that it'll be hosed if I do the upgrade. i just had this exact same problem... i got around it by using aptitude and pretty much adding every X4.3 package i could find before hitting `g'... a word of warning though: xlibmesa3 and xlibmesa3-gl have been renamed to xlibmesa and xlibmesa-gl, so you will want to select them: so you wont have any dependency problems with KDE (or SDL, or anything else which requires them). i didn't have any "broken" packages when i finally pressed on `g'. you might need to add the xlibmesa-dri stuff too. you should _really_ ask yourself why you are going to X4.3: unless it has better support (or in my case... the only support of my card), there really isn't much benefit in the upgrade. maybe off-topic... but does anyone know if the new cursor themes are off by default for the X4.3 builds? i just came from LFS, and i had the new cursor themes on my desktop just by adding the resource "Xcursor.theme: whiteglass"... it was quite nice. but on debian, the resource makes no difference. anything else i need to add? hope that helps, cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X4.3 (Again)
Hank Marquardt wrote: > > you should _really_ ask yourself why you are going to X4.3: unless > > it has better support (or in my case... the only support of my > > card), there really isn't much benefit in the upgrade. > Well, I've had this darned Radeon 8500DV for over a year now without > really being able to use it as intended. I remember at the time > saying"Oh, support is in the 4.3 tree and that will be released soon, > it should filter into unstable a few weeks later at most" ... yeah, > that worked out well. as far as i gathered, it seemed that the reason why XFree86-4.3 was taking so long to get into unstable was that there were so many security related issues with it; like you, i am only using experimental for driver support (also a radeon). i've had no problems at all with it and my 3D acceleration is working great. the vanilla 2.6 kernel modules work as well... when i was using LFS, it was a pain using XFree86-4.3 with the 2.4 kernel as you needed to use the modules which came with XFree86, and not the vanilla ones. > Honestly this whole experience (waiting a year and now still having > what seems a kludgy solution) has left a sour taste that has resulted > in gentoo and fedora living on a spare box. I'm not ready to jump > ship, but honestly this theology of "it has to work on all > architectures" is annoying with stuff like this. "experimental" has been there the whole time... i personally find adding a single line into my apt sources list a WHOLE lot easier than a switch to another distro. using the "experimental" branch is not a kludgy solution at all... it is essentially the same as what fedora and gentoo are doing... they are just not as careful in what they label "stable". what i mean is, you will essentially be using the same version of XFree86-4.3 on any distro. i personally found the upgrade to be trivial... and it only took me about 15 minutes (downloading included) when i found out that experimental existed! The X config file needed no editing to do what i wanted. > Enough ranting and back to topic ... I didn't count them, but it seems > I've only got 25 or so X related packages ... I started down the road > I saw in another message of getting the > debian/pool/X/xfree/*pre5v1_i386* packages and installing them all but > that is a whole lot more, including a bunch of debug builds that are > enormous. here i what i installed to get a fully working XFree86-4.3 install, with -dev support. libxaw7/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibs-static-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxv-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxp-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libx11-6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxt6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 pm-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxrandr-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xfonts-scalable/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibs-data/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxmu6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxv1/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxpm-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxi-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxp6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxft1/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xserver-xfree86/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xutils/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libice6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xfree86-common/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxtst6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 x-window-system-core/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libsm-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxt-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxmuu-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibmesa-dri/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibmesa-glu/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xterm/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxtrap-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libdps1/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibs-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libsm6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxtst-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibmesa-gl/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxi6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibs/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxext6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxtrap6/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxpm4/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxmuu1/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxrandr2/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 x-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxmu-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xfonts-base/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibmesa-gl-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libx11-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xfonts-75dpi/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xfonts-100dpi/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xserver-common/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libxext-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 twm/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xbase-clients/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 libice-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 xlibmesa-glu-dev/experimental uptodate 4.3.0-0pre1v5 i think a few
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Paul Morgan: > > You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of > > infantile anti"M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. > > I use several OSes, > This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft > software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amount of crap > flooding the net nowadays can tell that with their eyes, ears, and > nose nailed shut. > > No, there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't > care who you are or why you want to. It's crap! Get over it. how about being in an industry which has specialist software which only runs on a M$ base... and breaking compatibility with your peers by using an alternative, inferior package would simply leave your career in dust. you don't sound like you have thought your argument out very well. we are all decided that we _prefer_ GNU/Linux, but even for those who are aware of operating systems other than windows, they are not always in a position to be able to use them. sure i could advise my architecture and engineering friends to use GNU/Linux.. they may have the standard office tools under their new operating system... but please tell me how they are to continue designing engines and buildings; under xfig? i am in a lucky situation, as the major mathematics tools have been ported to all flavours of UNIX (although they could do with an update to their terrible GUIs) and most hi-end academic physics software (Root/AliRoot anyone?) is open source. i cant believe i just replied to an anti-microsoft troll on debian-user :-/ cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
Nate Duehr wrote: > Damon Chesser wrote: > > This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. > > Users of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker > > of professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that > > builds buildings and they all use Autocad. Their SysAdmin has set > > up a RH server, but all workstations are win. There simply is no > > choice in the matter, not yet. > I could have sworn VariCAD had a native Linux port? Not sure. Yep, > see below. varicad is a joke for serious work... speak to an expert, and they will tell you the same thing. even autocad is described as "too simplistic" by a few mechanical engineers i know, and architects (REAL architects, not "extension to the back room" architects) need something a lot more powerful. > A quick Google turned up these: > www.linuxcad.com > www.varicad.com > www.cadsoft.de > www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html > www.ac3d.org > www.cycas.de > www.welcomehome.org/senecass/software/dome46.tar.gz these projects, although noteworthy and of good cause, are again like i said, a complete joke when it comes to professional usage in most branches of engineering or architecture. its like comparing `ed` to M$ word :-/ > There are *always* alternatives. if by "alternative", you mean "a program that _claims_ to do the same _basic_ functionality", then yes. trust me, there are high-end programs for particular disciplines which simply DO NOT have a replacement in the UNIX world. and even if a tool did exist, we are talking about tools which are so complex, you really do need to take a full course and have experience using them: so the user really has to decide whether it is worth their while to switch, bearing in mind that their career and earnings rest on that decision. to prove my point, i have actually tried this "there are replacement in GNU/Linux" approach with an engineer, to be told how feeble varicad and co really are for doing real work (after he tried them). you cannot even use varicad to do everything you would need in an undergraduate engineering course in the UK, let alone in the workplace. > Understanding that you may have a lot > invested (a rediculous amount, really -- if you're paying their usual > rates) in AutoCAD makes realizing why you stick with it more > understandable. AutoCAD is ridiculously _cheap_ i can tell you... compare it with some of the more advanced packages on the market (the names of which i could find out for you within a matter of a few days). but, thats not the point: you are correct that there is a lot of investment involved in any high end software. only productive (in the literal sense) offices will be using it... its not a toy, and there is big money involved in the end products. > However, my point here is that Mr. Keeling is frustrated with the > extreme lack of attention to software security in everything Microsoft > > builds. but that is not the original topic... Mr. Keeling said "there is NO excuse that justifies using that crap, and I don't care who you are or why you want to"... which has been successfully disproved by the counterexample: some people need specialist software, which is only available for M$ windoze, so they must use M$ windoze. i am sure there are many more examples than these. if he has an issue with M$, he should take it up with M$; not people who use it (which is still 99% of PC users out there, a few with credentials to embarrass any one of us; they are not all stoopid lusers). now please can we stop this thread and get back to debian related issues? cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sftp sources?
Derrick Hudson wrote: > Sam Halliday wrote: > | Cristian Gutierrez wrote: > | > Sam Halliday writes: > [ftp/http is bandwidth limited on university network, ssh isn't > limited] > | > May be they can use an external proxy via ssh. Say, they have ssh > | > access to host X where X is outside their university network and > | > can use a proxy on Y:8000 (Y could be X itself). Now they can > | > forward their localhost:8000 to Y:8000 ssh'ing through X, and set > | > APT to use localhost:8000 as a proxy. > | unfortunately thats sounds like the only available option, as non > | ftp/http source do not seem to exist. the problem is that i do not > | know anyone external to the network, with root access to a box, > | willing to give up bandwidth and ports for the cause :-/. thanks > | anyway though... ill ask around. > > You don't need root access on the remote machine to do ssh port > forwarding. (you would only need root access if you were > "RemoteForwarding" a port <1024) interesting, ok, i think this could work, ill try to set it up for them on my machine to see, for now. anyone got any hints where i can read up about setting this kind of thing up? i've never done anything like this before, nor have i ever heard of it! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
Nate Duehr wrote: > While you may be very intelligent regarding CAD software, you sure > seem willing to attack people like myself who are only pointing out > alternatives that ARE Linux-related on a Linux mailing list, and then > claiming that *I* took the conversation off-topic? Wow. Quite bold > of you. i'm sorry nate, i wasn't singling you out for taking it off-topic... we all took it off-topic. thats why i replied to the list (i.e. speaking to everyone, myself included) and not in a personal response. > But... consider for a moment that the vast majority of the world > doesn't need nor use CAD software at all, and then re-read the > original poster's message within that context. then i (and many others on the list) could think up many other counterexamples to his claim that NOONE has ANY reason to use M$ software. for example, just off the top of my head: journals that require submissions in a particular word format which openoffice or abiword cannot produce, other professional fields of expertise which require specialised software, and many other smaller categories; how about packages for windows which help dyslexic people in their construction of essays? companies that already have a large investment in M$-trained staff, but are unable to find qualified UNIX sysadmins. companies using in-house software where the codebase has been stabilised over many years, only to be rewritten for a new OS. the list is endless... this thread was not meant to dwell on CAD software, it is merely pointing out that there are areas which GNU/Linux cannot address... yet. > Therefore your example is very poor, and his point is still quite > valid. If the majority of computer users typically use e-mail MTA's, > network file systems, mail servers, webservers, and not CAD software > daily, Linux/Unix excels at those items and is generally regarded as > much higher quality software -- then their choice of inferior > Microsoft products is wrong. but the original poster said there were NO reasons AT ALL to using M$; and a few of us have given counterexamples.. (i apologise for having the mathematician in me... but) that PROVES his statement is incorrect. now YOUR statement on the other hand, which is very different, that "the majority" of users don't need it, probably IS correct! but to most people the computer does what they need it to do, and thats all they want. they don't really care that there is another OS out there which is technically superior, and most people don't even have any documents on their computer which need high security clearance anyway. > Most just don't know they're even making a choice. how can it be a choice if they are not aware of it? they don't know there is one... and to be honest i don't think most would change, given the choice on a plate (in fact, i know many many people who just refuse to use GNU/Linux without even trying it, simply because their computer does what they want already). its a combination of laziness and fear of the unknown. most people already think computers are scary... and lets face it, it doesn't get more dumbed down than M$. > Nice try. The reality is that Microsoft's software is buggy, > security-hole-ridden, crap. Anyone forced to use it by a third-party > software vendor (AutoCAD) should be very very unhappy with that > vendor, and should be voicing it to that vendor -- not Microsoft. > Those of us who realize Microsoft software is of poor-quality have > already told Microsoft it's not worth purchasing -- by not purchasing > it. all too true. but they are getting better. i wouldn't know of course, having not used M$ for nearly 5 years now. > Maybe you can get AutoCAD to buy your copies of Windows to run their > software on, if they require it for their software to work? I doubt > it, but hey... it's worth a try over the bargaining table when you say > > you'd like to run their software on a good quality OS! it would be wonderful if ports for high end products in all fields existed (not just CAD, as that is only a small fraction of specialist software), but the reality is that there is just not enough people requesting such ports... and i don't even know if the requests ever even reach the development teams. plus, there isn't even a bargaining table in this game; we dont live in an age where the customer is always right anymore. i'm sorry if you took personal offence nate, that was not ever my intention, and reading over my postings, i still cannot see how you got so offended. thanks for the links though. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X4.3 (Again)
Brian Nelson wrote: > Sam Halliday writes: > > i just had this exact same problem... i got around it by using > > aptitude and pretty much adding every X4.3 package i could find > > before hitting`g'... > Er, why? The only 4.3 package you really need is xserver-xfree86. DRI etc etc... and the newer mesa libraries. you're probably right though, not everything needed updated... but i figured it would break less things if i just had all my X packages synced to 4.3 rather than having some libs 4.2.1. i didn't add any extra X packages than i had, so maybe i could have worded my post a little better to "updating every XFree86-4.2.1 package i had to the XFree86-4.3 equivalent" cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sftp sources?
Cristian Gutierrez wrote: > [ftp/http is bandwidth limited on university network, ssh isn't > limited] > > [idea: tunnel ftp/http via ssh and a remote friendly proxy] > > [step by step instructions] excellent! thanks for the help... i think we can probably sort something out for them! :-D the sysadmin has already been told that there is an unnatural amount of transfer on the ssh port due to the nature of the research (by the head of department), so they wont be done for bandwidth usage... in fact, updating a debian system is probably negligible compared to the data they truck around. thanks again! cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 12:29:35AM +0000, Sam Halliday wrote: > > varicad is a joke for serious work... speak to an expert, and they > > will tell you the same thing. even autocad is described as "too > > simplistic" by a few mechanical engineers i know, and architects > > (REAL architects, not "extension to the back room" architects) need > > something a lot more powerful. > This reminds me of those who have finished several semesters of > calculus, some DE and so forth, but without a calculator are > clueless. I thought real engineers would need only a pen and a piece > of paper (may be some table to speed computations). Before computers > came, with all the software, there were already engineers out there. and there were mathematicians before maple as well :-) but it definitely speeds things up... pen and paper is still where the ideas happen though, and always will be. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sid et DHCP
Matthias Hentges wrote: > Am Di, den 10.02.2004 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] um 10:49: > > Bonjour tout le monde, > > je viens de faire un dist-upgrade sur ma woody (noyau 2.6.1) pour passer en > > sid. Tout s'est bien passé jusqu'au reboot. > > En effet, maintenant je n'ai plus accès au réseau (via dhcp)! alors qu'avant > > > > cela ne posait pas de problème. Est-ce une erreur courante? J'ai absolument > > besoin d'aide, c'est très important pour moi de résoudre ce problème le plus > > > > rapidement possible > > [...] > > You do realize that the majority on this planet does not speak french, > huh? it was probably a simple mistake... the email intended for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if we are going to point fingers at non-english speakers... maybe you should change the "den [date] schrieb [email] um [time]" part of your replies ;-) cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DHCP hostname
hi there, ok, i know there have been many bugs (for some reason, all closed) applied against this issue... but i have found no solution at all to it in either the archives nor the bug reports, and i was wondering if someone could help: i am on a DHCP-served network and the server will always give out a hostname, but debian completely ignores that hostname; preferring instead to use the hostname "debian" which it set up during the initial install. i would like my dhcp client to set my hostname when the server sends it to me. now i know this would be trivial to fix in a local script (for example with dhcpcd, using -H and -D flags will set both my domainname and hostname; and i suppose i could use a simple grep to get info from /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases when using dhclient)... what i was wondering is if somebody could please tell me how to fix this in the "correct debian way" and also, i would be very interested to hear why setting the host/domainname from the DHCP server is not the default. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
mozilla-tabextensions: coloured tabs by default
hi there, did anyone else do a system upgrade yesterday to find out that mozilla-tabextensions/testing has been updated... and now you get really annoying coloured tabs when you open a new tab in mozilla? if so, could they please let me know how they turned it off? as there seems to be no option to do so; and it is incredibly annoying. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mozilla-tabextensions: coloured tabs by default
Sam Halliday wrote: > did anyone else do a system upgrade yesterday to find out that > mozilla-tabextensions/testing has been updated... and now you get > really annoying coloured tabs when you open a new tab in mozilla? if > so, could they please let me know how they turned it off? as there > seems to be no option to do so; and it is incredibly annoying. sorry, found it myself: if anyone is interested, you must enable "Expert Preferences", restart mozilla, and then go to preferences->navigator->tabbed browsing->tabgroups and disable "automatic coloring of grouped tabs" it was a bit cryptic :-/ cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [read: i don't know what I'm doing]
Richard Lyons wrote: > > > [oh yes: It hadn't occured to me that > people here speak english.] why people still get annoyed about this kind of thing is beyond me... echo 'ok_locales en' >> ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs probably just a simple mistake on the senders behalf: the net probably isn't as easy to navigate for non-english speaking people, lets give them a break :-) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: DHCP hostname
Harland Christofferson wrote:
> Sam Halliday wrote:
[snip]
> >i am on a DHCP-served network and the server will always give out a
> >hostname, but debian completely ignores that hostname
[snip]
> can't you do this in /etc/dhcpd.conf? i think you have to assign
> a fixed ip addres ... something line
>
> host {
>hardware ethernet ;
>fixed-address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd;
> }
yes, but i am on the client side (the server is already set up fine to
do as you suggest)... the point is that debian completely ignores
hostnames supplied by the server.
cheers,
Sam
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Re: DHCP hostname
Sam Halliday wrote: [snip] > i am on a DHCP-served network and the server will always give out a > hostname, but debian completely ignores that hostname; preferring > instead to use the hostname "debian" which it set up during the > initial install. [snip] apologies all! /etc/dhcpc/config allows me to set these things... i recently installed dhcpcd instead of dhclient which allowed me to do this. does that mean dhclient cannot set hostnames/domainnames/DNS servers?? and also, why is that not the default? cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: DHCP hostname
Harland Christofferson wrote: [snip] > you know, you can change the hostname of the machine locally : > /etc/hostname > also, will nees to change localhost stuff: > /etc/hosts thanks, but thats not really what i mean... if the DHCP server tells the client what its hostname is (as the rest of the world may see it), i was asking how to tell the local machine to set the hostname accordingly... the hostname may well be dynamic. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: DHCP hostname
Mark Ferlatte wrote: > Sam Halliday: > > i am on a DHCP-served network and the server will always give out a > > hostname, but debian completely ignores that hostname; preferring > > instead to use the hostname "debian" which it set up during the > > initial install. > Something you could try (it's a bit brute force, but might work): > > I'm assuming you're using the ISC dhcp client version 3 > (dhcp3-client). > > Edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script and modify the part that sets up the > hostname to write the hostname into /etc/hostname. That might help. > > I've run into the same bug; it's annoying, but I haven't had time to > figure out exactly what is wrong. i have fixed it now thanks (see thread); you might want to look at my solution. also... i don't have an /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script script, you must have installed debian a loong time ago when it still had to use wrappers for dhclient2 and dhclient3... now its just /etc/dhclient-script, and i really DO NOT want to edit debian scripts; i would do it in a local script iff i really needed to. cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: DHCP hostname
Mark Ferlatte wrote: > Sam Halliday said on Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 09:57:42PM +: > > must have installed debian a loong time ago when it still had to use > > wrappers for dhclient2 and dhclient3... now its just > > /etc/dhclient-script, and i really DO NOT want to edit debian > > scripts; i would do it in a local script iff i really needed to. > > /etc/dhclient-script is from the dhcp-client package, which is based > on the dhcp-2.0 distribution from ISC. dhcp3-client is from the > dhcp-3.x distribution. > > /etc/dhclient-script is from the older DHCP client. aah, well that clears some things up. i still prefer dhcpcd though... cheers, Sam -- Free High School Science Texts http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/fhsst Sam's Homepages http://fommil.homeunix.org/~samuel http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~samuel pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
alternatives for a proprietary lib file
Hi all, I have a license for the Intel Math Kernel Library which has a file /opt/intel/mkl/lib/intel64/libmkl_rt.so that provides a lot of interfaces, such as BLAS/CBLAS (i.e. libblas.so.3) and LAPACK (i.e. liblapack.so.3). I'd like to be able to use the Debian alternatives system to point at this file, without having to manually create symbolic links. Does anybody know how I can do this? Much of the documentation I have found is related to usage of alternatives, not the creation of a new alternative for a file. Ideally, it would be nice to be able to create a little .deb package that simply provides the option to use this library as an alternative and to give it the highest priority. Best regards, Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CALR_T9D5Nuh7Ce0=c6b0ny+M1ZteOK3tGuVom_5bajan=co...@mail.gmail.com
Re: alternatives for a proprietary lib file
On 3 January 2015 at 17:19, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015, Sam Halliday wrote: >> /opt/intel/mkl/lib/intel64/libmkl_rt.so >> >> I'd like to be able to use the Debian alternatives system to point at >> this file, without having to manually create symbolic links. > > Alternatives are not the correct tool for this. Take a look at the > dpkg-divert stuff, divert the original libs, and add a symlink in their > place. Normally what you say is true, but Debian already manages libblas.so.3 and liblapack.so.3 using the alternatives system (they are specialist mathematics libraries that can be swapped at runtime for improved performance). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CALR_T9A8cx8Z-eh2aarpt5e5Pc-6fMUru1uCmG9=mk+_jeh...@mail.gmail.com
