Re: Good front end for small postgress dtabases?
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 04:23:26PM -0500 or thereabouts, Bob Billson wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 01:15:54PM -0500, Paul Morgan penned: [I don't have the original post -- not sure who quoted what] > > > > I need to create some small databses in postgress (christmas card list, > > > > household inventory). What choices do I have for creating user input forms, > > > > and reports in Debian? > > > > > > pgaccess I keep some simple lists: dates, tasks, books I read/want/own, account details. In the spirit of Unix, my first intuition was just created a file named "data" and add one "record" per line in a reasonably structured way. I parsed it with perl and printed it with a2ps. Then, I tried 4000 ways in Debian to do it better: I tried all the postgres/mysql front-ends, outlook knockoffs, console-only things written in ruby, &c. I hated all of them. So I spent most of 2003 writing my own in my spare time. Here's a screenshot: http://home.comcast.net/~40101.nospam/pim.png It stores data in XML, is intended for small databases, single user, but it's indexed and has referential integrity. There's keyboard shortcuts for everything. It starts fast, it's fast to navigate and slam in some data, hit save and get out. It's my own build system: all you start with is some C files, no makefiles at all. One file is called proj.c: type "gcc proj.c; ./a.out; ./proj" and it does all the automakish stuff. Type "./proj c" and it deletes that crap and you just have a flat list of C files. It's pretty cheasy but I like it. Over the course of the year I started over 20 times, but around October I got inspired and got something that works. I guess I have to open the kimino now so y'all can tell me how much it sucks before I can get to the "next level": Here it is. Be nice with your comments please. It meets its design goals -- they are probably not the design goals you expect -- I'm a pretty wierd guy, you'll probably think it's super-wierd: http://home.comcast.net/~40101.nospam/x-0.1.tar.bz2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good front end for small postgress dtabases?
On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 05:08:54PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 12:50:04PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: [snip] > > http://home.comcast.net/~40101.nospam/pim.png > > [snip] > > http://home.comcast.net/~40101.nospam/x-0.1.tar.bz2 > > > > I spent a few dozen sec.s looking at this. I didn't see how to install it, > and I am no good at all at just reading the code. Can you update it with > a README file? Yes, I will do that. "./proj" does the automake/autoconf/configure step but I'll package it so that you can "./configure; make" it. Roughly the build-depends are ability to build gnome apps; the "./proj" script generates automake scripts modeled after dia2sce output. I'll include a list of my installed packages when I update it. Question to all: I literally specify that you need automake 1.7 and autoconf 2.50: is that wise? I'll post again when this is done. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good front end for small postgress dtabases?
On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 08:57:51PM -0500, Wayne Topa wrote: > Nano Nano([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > > Question to all: I literally specify that you need automake 1.7 and > > autoconf 2.50: is that wise? > > I wondered about. I am running testing and have automake 1.4-p6-2, > which is the latest version for testing/unstable, or so apt-get tells > me. The ./proj fails because its looking for aclocal-1.7. The latest > automake has aclocal-1.4. > > I won't go out to find an automake thats not a debian packgage, but > thats me. > I'm running SID. I expect you can edit the AMVER and ACVER in proj and/or proj.c to the version numbers you have and it will work. (proj is generated by running "gcc proj.c; ./a.out".) But when I post 0.2 that has the automake;autoconf step already run, I expect you won't have to have the matching automake/autoconf installed; you'll just run ./configure. I'll take a bit of time and make the README halfway decent, because I'll need to document schema.xml before you can use it at all. Hang tight, and thanks for your eyes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good front end for small postgress dtabases?
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 08:47:53AM -0500, Wayne Topa wrote: [snip] > Changing amver=1.7 to amver=1.4, in proj, allowed proj to finish > without error. ./configure fails with > Package atk was not found in the pkg-config search path > > No Joy. :-( Here's all things pkg-config is looking for: atk gdk-pixbuf-2.0 gdk-x11-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 gmodule-2.0 gtk+-x11-2.0 libglade-2.0 libxml-2.0 pango pangox pangoxft librsvg-2.0 Here's my *rough guess* as to how to meet these dependencies: #apt-get install libatk1.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev libglib2.0-dev \ libglade2-dev libxml2-dev libpango1.0-dev librsvg2-dev I actually don't use glade or svg here - yet. But I consider those two to be part of a "modern gnome build environment", and I reuse proj.c. I got my "modern gnome build environment" by src lines to my sources.list and typing: #apt-get install dia2sce; apt-get build-dep gnome-control-center That will bring in several other dependencies that may also be required; I dunno. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good front end for small postgress dtabases?
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 02:29:31PM -0500, Wayne Topa wrote: > > As I have no to plans to 'Gnome" this, or any, of my boxen I will have to > pass. Just thought I would see what you had produced. Good Luck!! NP, I'll put it on freshmeat. Thanks for being the guinea pig. One of my 20 tries this year was to wrap the GTK2 calls with abstract headers, so I could have a QT3 implementaion, or a Win32 implementation, but I never could finish that one. I finally had to just code as thinly as possible on top of a single raw toolkit in order to keep it from spiraling out of control, and GTK floats my boat. Later! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 06:49:48PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I need to upgrade my Gallant TV Tuner card This kind of randomness happens a lot. I figure it's one of three things: either (1) the sender intended to ask debian-user this question; (2) the sender is on a shared computer and this was in the address book, and it just looked useful, or (3) it's some kind of spam. If it's (1), how would someone "stumble" onto www.debian.org and learn the address? I can imagine the clueless doing dumb things but that seems like a highly unlikely choice. If it's (3), what is the purpose of sending such a pointless spam? Is it just pointless anarchy? (2) is a stretch. Maybe debian-user is a link on some web page listing a collection of email support addresses, and the clueless just sort of click randomly to get here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 10:22:55PM -0600, Craig Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 18:27, Nano Nano wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 06:49:48PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I need to upgrade my Gallant TV Tuner card > > > > This kind of randomness happens a lot. I figure it's one of three > > things: either (1) the sender intended to ask debian-user this question; > > (2) the sender is on a shared computer and this was in the address book, > > and it just looked useful, or (3) it's some kind of spam. > > > > If it's (1), how would someone "stumble" onto www.debian.org and learn > > the address? I can imagine the clueless doing dumb things but that > > seems like a highly unlikely choice. > > > > If it's (3), what is the purpose of sending such a pointless spam? Is > > it just pointless anarchy? > > > > (2) is a stretch. Maybe debian-user is a link on some web page listing > > a collection of email support addresses, and the clueless just sort of > > click randomly to get here. > > > > Actually what surprises me most is the the number of replies and the > length of the thread for messages like his. I've posted many genuine > requests for information or help in many news groups, many of which > received not a single response, yet I've seen embecilic posts turn into > long threads. Sometimes makes me wonder what the real motivation is for > many people in these groups. > > Craig Jackson Yeah, I guess some people are just here to bitch or something. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 08:35:36PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 10:22:55PM -0600, Craig Jackson wrote: [forgot to snip on that other one!] > > received not a single response, yet I've seen embecilic posts turn into > > long threads. Sometimes makes me wonder what the real motivation is for > > many people in these groups. > > > > Craig Jackson > > Yeah, I guess some people are just here to bitch or something. Preemptively noting my own malquoting... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xfree 4.3 in sid anytime soon?
what's holding up x 4.3 from going into sid? There's some xv-enhancements for my old C&T chip I need. I did it manually once. I don't feel like messing with experimental. Should I just do it manually? Is it going to be a long time? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Warning -- mounting ext3 as ext2
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 12:44:27PM +0800, Katipo wrote: [snip] > I don't know if this relates at all, but the head of the Knoppix effort > is very shortly going to be working with the Debian development team to > get Knoppix' hardware recognition into the Debian programme. Gee, that's not obviously an enormously good idea or anything :-) I'm struggling to think of a metaphor for what an obviously good idea that is. Hearing comments like "if Knoppix doesn't find it, it won't work" and then not immediately using that always struck me as rather Luddite... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xfree 4.3 in sid anytime soon?
On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 11:22:49PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > Hi Nano Nano (are you from Mork's planet?), > I'm using 4.3 from experminatal. Are you aware that 'expermintal' is not > a complete distro like stable/testing/unstable. So you only get the > package you need and when you update, your X will not get changed to > unstable and apt will not have any problems. The list archives seem to say that experimental + sid in sources.list will result in a pure sid system, except for what you *intentionally* install from experimental. So there's no real downside to having it present in sources.list. Is that what you're also saying? It won't mess up Sid except for what I explicitly select... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dug myself into several deep holes
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:54:25AM -0500, Sam Rosenfeld wrote: > The question is: Given my current state, is it reasonable to try to > fix each of my problems separately, or would it be more sensible to > keep only the critical data and start over with a new installation? When I was learning last spring, I reinstalled my computer 5 or 6 times *per day*, trying stuff in Debian, trying Knoppix, Mandrake, Redhat, &c., to see how "they did it." Eventually I figured it out: but I solved each issue one a time, and it was like pulling teeth. Basically I would read online and learn "partial information" until I'd tried every "bad" permutation and finally learned the right one. Now I have my install scripted: boot from Woody, install, upgrade to SID from local partial mirror, run scripts. I wipe the disk or reinstall when anything gets the least bit squirrelly, which can be as little as one day or as much as every couple months. Works for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dug myself into several deep holes
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 10:38:27AM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote: > On Friday 02 January 2004 10:18 am, Nano Nano wrote: > > > Now I have my install scripted: boot from Woody, install, upgrade to SID > > from local partial mirror, run scripts. I wipe the disk or reinstall > > when anything gets the least bit squirrelly, which can be as little as > > one day or as much as every couple months. > > > > Works for me. > > Backups backups backups. Stop wiping and start restoring, if the "squirrelly" > behavior was caused by the admin, the admin should be able to put things back > the way they were. Right? Sure, it takes me 30 minutes to do a scripted install and 2 minutes to restore a partition. If that mattered to me, I'd do it. I like that "clean" feeling of doing a fresh install, that way I *know* I'm not unknowingly preserving any old bad decisions with subtle ramifications or hidden security bugs. I've got all my dotfiles saved, so after I wipe, I have to do *zero* customization. In other contexts I would make other decisions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dug myself into several deep holes
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:24:41AM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote: > On Friday 02 January 2004 11:06 am, Nano Nano wrote: > > > I've got all my dotfiles saved, so after I wipe, I have to do *zero* > > customization. In other contexts I would make other decisions. > > Not trying to be argumentative here, just an observation... > > Isn't it the configuration files where the mistakes are usually made? If > you're restoring those, you're restoring the mistakes perhaps? I can't answer this crisply. Probably if I had 20 years of Unix I'd feel like you. I almost never *need* to start over, it just gives me warm fuzzies and I don't worry about "bit rot" (read: ignorance). For server racks and my XP partition, I follow your approach. For my (solitary, single-user) Sid workstation, I like this for now. Eh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT[UnOfficial Unsubscribe FAQ
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 06:58:05PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 02:06:31PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > > Given the current security climate, it's quite possible that your last > > remark has caused your mail to end up in the inbox of some spook who might > > also read your sig and add two and two to get five. > > Like anybody in national security gives a flying fuck about some > off-handed joke in a relatively obscure mailing list. I'd like to complain about the fact that when I don't shave and wake up on the weekends I get tailed by the store security guy in the grocery store. WTF is up with that? Can't I be a slob if I feel like it? Governments don't have as much power to fuck my life up as corporations. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT[UnOfficial Unsubscribe FAQ
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 10:56:04PM -0500, charlie derr wrote: > >Governments don't have as much power to fuck my life up as corporations. > > Perhaps true in some situations, but from my point of view (as a usian), > it's getting harder and harder to tell the two apart. Not me. The assholes I hate are completely different assholes :-) My current mantra is we should remove: "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private." from currency. It may be a true statement according to a strict defintion of the word "debt," but it used to have a much richer implication in our lives -- the freedom to freely define one's self. There are greater and greater mental controls, and I feel them most strongly by "abstract forces" unassociated with governments. I'm probably losing it :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT[UnOfficial Unsubscribe FAQ
On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 09:29:32PM -0700, s. keeling wrote: > That is just so full of s**t, I'm not sure where to begin. Name a > corporation that has the power to toss you into Gitmo for an > unspecified period. All a corporation can do is throw lawyers at > you. Big deal. Equifax -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT[UnOfficial Unsubscribe FAQ
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 07:12:59AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:58:05 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 02:06:31PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > >> Given the current security climate, it's quite possible that your last > >> remark has caused your mail to end up in the inbox of some spook who might > >> also read your sig and add two and two to get five. > > > > Like anybody in national security gives a flying fuck about some > > off-handed joke in a relatively obscure mailing list. > > > > Just one example, from memory: > > You are obviously unaware of the US schoolboy who, during the Cold War, > had the Soviet travel agency (can't remember its name now, InTourist, > maybe) mail him some USSR tourist brochures for a school project. > > He became the subject of intense FBI/CIA scrutiny for a significant period > of time. His house was watched, he was photographed, mail was opened, the > family telephone was tapped, etc. I know the title will offend, but you should read the book "Useful Idiots" by Mona Charen. The phrase was Lenin's. About you :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT[UnOfficial Unsubscribe FAQ
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 10:01:31AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: [snip] > > There are always people (often good, well-meaning people) in every country > and government who seek greater control over their citizens, because they > honestly believe that they know best how people should behave and run > their lives. When a dreadful event like 9/11 occurs, these folks take > advantage of people's fears to incrementally encroach upon freedom in the > name of security. Yeah but there *really are* people out there who want to kill us. It's your job to prevent them. There are three basic approaches: aggressive (the current approach), passive (give in to them completely and abjectly -- as yet untested), or diplomacy. You probably favor "diplomacy" -- some people who hate Bush say Clinton did this. What *really* happened is we got a false sense of security that the world was at peace while the criminals really operated with impunity. The Clinton approach seems best on the surface, and is worst in reality. The aggressive approach at least truly messes up the terrorists plans. Another approach, complete and utter passivity, the "Quaker 'I Wont Fight Even To Save Myself'" approach, has not yet been tested. Let's just completely and utterly acquiecse to all of the terrorists demands. It's never been tried, but it to would keep the terrorists from killing us. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT[UnOfficial Unsubscribe FAQ
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 12:18:45PM -0600, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr. wrote: [snip] > You do not need to remove civil liberties to fight terrorism. Less > freedom does not equal more secure. Okay, what's the plan? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT[UnOfficial Unsubscribe FAQ
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 02:53:16PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: [snip] > With regard to foul language in posts, I think that the net effect is > probably that it demeans the poster more than it offends the reader. Probably. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there any encrypted or secure NFS?
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 01:04:21PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: > > > > "Antonio" == Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Antonio> What would be the best route to establish an encrypted or > > Antonio> secure nfs session? I would like to be able to mount a faraway > > Antonio> (debian) machine with confidence of not being observed. Any > > Antonio> ideas? Thanks. > > use secure rpc > use secure portmap > use secure nfs > use scp/ssh --> use a good hard to guess/type passphrase Isn't it possible to mount drives with ssh, so it does the scp tranparently? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C'mon, let's get free movie tickets!
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 05:13:00PM -0500, Balbuena, Alexander wrote: > However, who is our friend at FreeFlixTix of San Francisco ? > We cannot help but wonder who he or she might be ! > _ > Author: "Julia Leonardo" at HQ-IRM-001 > > This invitation was sent on behalf of your friend by FreeFlixTix, 110 > Pacific > Avenue Mall #172, San Francisco, CA 94111. Go here to manage your Mailings > Preferences: http://freeflixtix.com/unsubscribe.html Strictly speaking it doesn't say our friend is at FreeFlixTix. maps.yahoo.com doesn't show a "Pacific Avenue Mall" but there is a "Pacific Avenue" at that zip: http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=TOhniOp_0Tr12UjfpMYKs2.P99ZBkfut5kCg&csz=San+Francisco%2C+CA&country=us I live down the road maybe I'll go "reverse heckle" them like in Seinfeld. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
chroot for packaging
I'm dumb and lazy: I want a chroot'd woody so I can identify build-depends for my own debian package (basically a GTK 2 app). I don't want to create a separate partition: I just want to do it on some spare space on an existing partition. (1) What is an authoritative source that tells me how to do this and (2) what do I do after running dh-make to specify the depends after I install them? I know these are FAQs; I'm going to start googling now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ls nitpick
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 09:38:01PM -0600, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr. wrote: > Russ Schneider wrote: > >When you do an ls on Debian, you see something like the following: > >file1 file2 file3 dir1 > >dir2 file4 > > > >etc. > > > >When you do the same on Mandrake, you get > >file1 file2 file3 dir1/ > >dir2/ file4 > > > >You see how there's a / at the end of each directory name, making it > >really easy to tell at a glance what's a directory and what's not? > > > >Any way to config Debian's ls to do that? I realize it's just a nitpick, > >but I am curious. > > This is the "-p" switch to ls. I guess what most people tell you to do is create a "ls" command earlier in your path or in /usr/local/bin that calls "/bin/ls -p $*". I think there's something in /etc somewhere that controls this but I can't remember. > > In your .bashrc file you can enable console colors. It's not the same, > but it's a way to differentiate different types of files (the default is > dir's re a bluish color, executables are green, plain files (html, txt, > mp3's etc.) are white/gray and archives are red). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: bash scripting question -- passing values to ls
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 02:27:11AM -0500, Matt Price wrote:
> so I have to do it by hand at the moment. But shouldn't I be able to
> automate it with somthing like:
>
> ls < locate charter | grep -i font
> ?
> nothing I try works -- but I can't believe it's impossible! any
> hints?
I use backticks:
ls `locate charter | grep -i font` -ld
Some commands don't like it if you pass zillions of arguments.
You can also xargs or find, but the syntax is more cumbersome, involving
braces {} and crap. Somebody will probably post that syntax.
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Re: OT: bash scripting question -- passing values to ls
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 03:36:36AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: [snip] > > locate charter| grep -i font | while read line; do > ls -l $line; > done Invoking 'ls' in a loop is semantically different from invoking it once, although you can compensate for it. I prefer backticks because you can pipe the whole thing to less (although you can pipe a for loop to less, it looks messier) and you can't use the sort options of less, for example. Tomato, tomato. For loop is nice for somethings. Also starting a process per file might be more expensive than a single process with lots of args (but not in this case). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: bash scripting question -- passing values to ls
On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 01:10:51AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: [snip] > it looks messier) and you can't use the sort options of less, for i meant sort options of ls -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chroot for packaging
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 02:06:43AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] > > > Hi, can you explain what debootstrap? rootstrap ?? and chroot ?? are? I am > writing from a WinShit machine ppl send a link no man what ever. My BillMachine > is illiterate to that. > ed. The first sentence you wrote makes sense; the other two are nonsense. debootstrap and rootstrap are debian packages; chroot is a unix command. #apt-cache show debootstrap #apt-cache show rootstrap #man chroot and use google. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chroot for packaging
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 02:17:19AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] > > > This is exactly I wanted to avoid. Since I am writing this from a windows > machine, why my debian machine is dead, I have to google I guess. I am trying to > increase my knowledge. Oh. I don't know a lot, maybe somebody can else can help more. Here's a bit of the printout of those commands: desk:~# chroot --help; apt-cache show debootstrap; apt-cache show rootstrap Usage: chroot NEWROOT [COMMAND...] or: chroot OPTION Run COMMAND with root directory set to NEWROOT. [snip] Description: Bootstrap a basic Debian system debootstrap is used to create a Debian base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of dpkg or apt. It does this by downloading .deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory which can eventually be chrooted into. [snip/rootstrap] Description: A tool for building complete Linux filesystem images Rootstrap was originally written to provide a facility for building filesystems for use with User-mode Linux, but can be useful in other applications as well. . It uses a modular set of shell scripts to create the filesystem image, install a base system, and customize it for a particular application. Currently, it only builds Debian systems, but the architecture is such that other base systems could be used instead. . Use of rootstrap does not require root access, or special privileges of any kind. This is because it builds the filesystem inside a User-mode Linux system running under an unprivileged uid. . Filesystem creation with rootstrap is quick and painless. With a local mirror and a single command, a fresh Debian woody filesystem can be created in about 3 minutes on relatively modest hardware. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: display directories only
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 06:43:23PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 the mental interface of > Rick Weinbender told: > > > I have a basic question. > > Is there a method using "ls" from the command line to > > have it display only directories. > > I've looked thru the help (ls --help), but cant' guess the right > > switches. > > I am using the zShell zsh. In there it is easy: > > alias lsd='ls -lad *(/)' > alias lsddots='ls -lad .*(/) > #ls -d `find -type d -maxdepth 1` ? can't think of anything simpler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2.4.24 fixes local root exploit in 2.4.23
Just read on slashdot 2.4.24 is out to fix a local root exploit in 2.4.23. http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0013-mremap.txt and slashdot It sounds ominously close to the whatsits that caused all the hoopla last month; be advised. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
run alsamixer as regular user
I have to run alsamixer as root, or I get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied One of the scripts I run after I install alsa-modules is: #/usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices #chmod a+rw /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/midi /dev/sequencer /dev/audio I can run aplay and other sound things as a user. There's probably a group I should add my user to, what is it? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: delete file based on content
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 05:35:26PM -0600, Michael Martinell wrote: [snip] > > I tried the following: grep -li "Processing completed correctly" * > > This gave me the list of logs that were complete. How can I send the > results of this to the rm command. The redirection that I tried did not > seem to work. > #rm `grep -li "Processing completed correctly" *` -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: delete file based on content
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 08:10:44AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 07:28:31PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: [snip] > > > > rm `grep -li "Processing completed correctly" *` 2>/dev/null > > This is ugly, Paul: It'd suppress not only this message, but other > messages which would possibly be worth noticing. Given sufficient > number of executions, such a message will appear--and we would miss it. How about if [[ `grep -li "Processing completed correctly" *` != "" ]]; then rm `grep -li "Processing completed correctly" *` fi although from what I've read in "The Unix Haters Handbook", Paul's way is more in line with the "unix philosophy" -- laziness. In this case, you should expect rm files you can write to succeed ?? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: delete file based on content
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 11:26:51PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: [snip] err on second thought I can see why xargs is better here -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: regex pattern problem
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 09:43:28PM -0700, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Craig Tinson: > > guys.. regex patterns are a *complete* mystery so am hoping someone can > > help with one.. > > > > I have to find all entries in a file which match the following: > > > > (pg. 2) > > Which tool? I believe perl's would be: > > /\(pg\. [0-9]*\)/ > > or: > > /\(pg\. \d+\)/ > > > Shell would be: > > \(pg\. [0-9]*\) i noticed you used * in two cases and + in another, I should think you'd want to use +, or if the program only supports *: [0-9][0-9]* and sed without the "-r" switch would interpret \(\) as grouping not literal parens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
en_CA? [was Re: www.gnu.org, glibcbug, bug@gnu.org, dpkg-reconfigure locales]
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 12:25:46AM -0700, s. keeling wrote: > What a strange loop I've landed in. I started out trying to make > en_CA locale work. "dpkg-reconfigure locales" everybody said, but What features of en_CA distinguish it from en_US? Is the currency symbol "$" ?? Sort order different? Date formats? http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U20A0.pdf doesn't list a special currency symbol for canada -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt wants to remove packages installed with dpkg -i
When I install a package with dpkg -i (say one I made myself with dh_make, or one from make-kpkg), the next time I run aptitude, it is selected for automatic removal. I highlight it, hit "i", and from then on it stays on my system. I like how apt aggressively removes packages with no dependencies, but in this case it's not what I desire. Is there something I can do during "dpkg -i" to make the package "stick around" ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RH Veteran is now a Debian Newbie
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 03:06:18PM -0500, Michael B Allen wrote: > This was very useful information Derrick. The text mode support for querying, > updating, and particularly installing packages with apt-* and dpkg is indeed far > superior to rpm. It was very easy to install postfix-tls (of course configuration > appears to be another issue entirely :) > > Ok. I am well on my way to being hooked on Debian. I don't know about postfix but where possible, let Debian configure things, or do it "the debian way" -- kernels and X spring to mind, or your configuration will get clobbered by an upgrade. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how can I tell what packages depend on group memebership?
Greg F. recently said he adds all console users to the groups: audio, video, floppy, cdrom. I'll probably add my users to audio, for sure. I'm trying to decide if I should me to the other groups: I use my webcam safely without being a member of the video group. My non-cdrom users can mount cds but cannot rip or burn them. So is there a way to tell what behavior depends on being a member of what groups, by querying the package database or something? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how can I tell what packages depend on group memebership?
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 12:22:12PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > My non-cdrom users can mount cds but cannot rip or burn them. Correction: not true. I forgot I "chmod a+rw /dev/cdrom" before that works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: en_CA? [was Re: www.gnu.org, glibcbug, bug@gnu.org, dpkg-reconfigure locales]
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 02:24:01PM -0700, s. keeling wrote: > > I don't know, no, no, and yes. US does mo/day/yr, we do day/mo/yr > (when we're not doing -mm-dd (iso). Are spelling dictionaries > affected by locale? Dunno. Oi, the date format is endlessly confusing if you're American and you happen to prefer the non-American way, *and* do computers enough to think in the iso way. My most recent rent check, which I wrote last week on the 3rd of January, I wrote "04 Jan 03", saw how messed up that was, and scribbled a litle "20" in front of the "04". My landlady came by and thought I'd written the year wrong :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how can I tell what packages depend on group memebership?
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 11:08:01PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 12:22:12PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > So is there a way to tell what behavior depends on being a member of > > what groups, by querying the package database or something? > > It's not really a package database thing. Thanks for the doc link. It would be useful if the package headers contained some encoded information about what group memeberships affect its behavior, like "depends-on", "suggests", &c. Then automated tools could do interesting things based on that info. If there is a formal process for integrating that data into a future version of the package format, I'd like to pursue and nominate that. Unless you can explain why it's a bad or unworkable idea. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel options?
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 08:15:27PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The server has all sorts of fancy bells and whistles like e1000 cards and aic79xx > scsi. Since I'm installing woody, I'd like to stick with a Debian kernel, but sadly > no stable kernels have aic79xx in them already. Lots of bells and whistles I'd > rather not have, but oh well. Why not just download a kernel you like from Woody, and also the patched source, and get the .config file and then just add what you need? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
howto: file system activity to stop xscreensaver running?
I have Gaim set to go autoaway after 2 minutes of inactivity, and my xscreensaver to go on after 3 minutes (I just like it like that). I also have a camera and the motion package installed, so I trigger an action like create a .jpg whenever anything moves in front of the camera. I'd like to write a script so that whenever such a file is created, the "xscreensaver inactivity" timer is reset, so that when I'm sitting in my chair reading a web page not moving the mouse, Gaim won't go autoaway nor will xscreensaver activate. Can I do that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: en_CA? [was Re: www.gnu.org, glibcbug, bug@gnu.org, dpkg-reconfigure locales]
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 05:25:27PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 10:21:49AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > Oh! Canadian! And here the whole time I've been thinking, "California > > needs its own dialect? Well, yeah, I guess they probably do." > > That's rather insulting to Canadians to compare them to Californians. Okay, Scott. (see the recent Canada / Wizard of Oz episode of South Park) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gentile Domanda
"Gentile domanda" sounds like something your dominatrix would ask you do do... Hey the place to go is italian too! http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 08:49:33PM +0100, FPC Informatica wrote: > ciao, ho un iBook (anno 2003) e volevo sapere se Debian Woody supporta la scheda > video Ati Radeon 9200 > > ciao, grazie, Alberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: game
> Dr Gavin Seddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hi, > > > > This may seem like a lame question, but, here I spend most time > > conducting computational biophysics for drug design and I could do > > with some kind of distraction so I don't keep on working during > > breaks. I have ALWAYS avoided games on my workstation but it was > > suggested they may provide a necessary distraction. > > > > Can anyone suggest a good game that isn't just mindlessly shooting > > stuff. Say a good adventure with nice graphics that requires some > > thought? > Didn't read this thread at first. Don't knock mindless shooting games. I get enough hard thinking done programming -- I hate games that make me work as hard as I do when I'm working. Which is why I like FPS games like Quake. Left, right, up, down, and shoot. Play for 15 minutes, be done playing. Start over. Very theraputic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: ISO and Image files-semantics problem
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 09:46:47AM -0500, alex wrote: [snip] A downloaded ISO is an image. The installation CD is not an image The installation CD is a duplicate of the contents of the image. There used to be CD images which were not ISOs, but they are not current anymore. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: ISO and Image files-semantics problem
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 11:01:06AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Nano Nano wrote that the installation CD is not an image. I use the 7 > Debian CD's, the first two which I listed, of which any one is an > installation CD (although I always install from #1). To me they appear > to be images. So what does it mean when he says that the installation CD > is not an image. Dictionary.com has an entry for "image" that I guess is authoritative: # Computer Science. An exact replica of the contents of a storage device, such as a hard disk, stored on a second storage device, such as a network server. So according to this, a CD is an image, after all. I don't think this is a very good definition, however. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: ISO and Image files-semantics problem
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 07:09:23PM -0500, alex wrote: > Nano Nano wrote: > > >On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 09:46:47AM -0500, alex wrote: > >[snip] > > > >A downloaded ISO is an image. > >The installation CD is not an image > >The installation CD is a duplicate of the contents of the image. > > > > > How simple it would be to say "The installation CD is a duplicate of > the extracted contents of the ISO" I'm not sure there is a correct answer to this. The things you can do with an ISO are: mount it, burn it, extract it. "Burning an ISO" involves special ioctl commands specific to CDs to place the contents of the ISO on the CD. "Extracting an ISO" involves reading the ISO's structure and creating files on a writable file system. You could then copy those files to a CD directly, if the CD has a writable UDF file system, but the resulting CD won't be the same as if you burn it, in general. "Mounting an ISO" involves treating the ISO as a read-only file system, no copying involved. Is that clear? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to find new url's for sources.list?
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 09:15:43PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote: > Lately the Non-US mirror I used has been not responding, its the Berkley > CS one. Maybe Non-US is not longer relevnt :) I just use this: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib I'm in Mountain View, CA. My numbers are always 230 kb/sec, which is apparently my D/L cap on Comcast. Rarely I get 404s; then I wait 30 minutes and try again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALSA and Kernel 2.6
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 09:23:19AM +, Alan Chandler wrote: > > IN 2.6, these alsa modules where incorporated into the kernel - so there is > not need for the separate alsa-modules-2.xxx packages anymore. Will disabling alsa in the kernel and building from alsa-source work? I know I need to do that for pcmcia-source and ov511-modules. I would expect they are pretty similar now. Is all future alsa work going to be through the kernel only? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages.debian.org lives again
On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 10:36:42PM +0100, GCS wrote: > Hi all, > > Just to share with everyone my happiness that packages.debian.org is > functioning again. Thanks everyone involved! I know this sounds grumpy, but I'm really curious: what caused the unusually long delay, relative to the other servers? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-level locality: what is the practice?
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 04:31:07AM -0500, Abdul Latip wrote: > Hi, > > May I know what the current practice is, on putting local files/scripts, > in a large organization? > > For a small organization, /usr/local/ is a great place. > However, what if there are many local levels like sections, divisions, > corporate, etc? how about /usr/local/corporate/..., /usr/local/division/..., /usr/local/section/..., and symlink them appropriately into /usr/local/bin etc? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am I using my hard drives right?
Last Feb/Mar/Apr, as I learned Linux, I tried somewhat dilligently to understand if my IDE drives were being used "as fast as possible" -- I have a couple of UDMA/100 and a couple of UDMA/133 devices. I was thoroughly confused, but I got far enough to roughly guess that my drives were not operating in the old 33 way; but I didn't do anything special. Can somebody explain concisely and/or provide links to *simple* procedures to verify my IDE hard drives and CDs are using "advanced features" and are "tweaked"? Is it reasonable to accept that the kernel will just autodetect things optimally? I know with the Windows kernel you need to download stuff from Intel.com for Windows 2000 or things are in "compatability" mode by default. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Am I using my hard drives right?
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 04:17:28AM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> hdparm -tT /dev/hda
> hdparm -i /dev/hda
What do these numbers tell you? Sucks, or joy?
Like I said, I tried to grok the zen of hdparm, but I threw up my hands
-- it all looks very experimental and there is very little clear cut
"when x, do y" advice.
I've running 2.4.24 and have done nothing special with hdparm; is it
*possible* there is nothing to do, or is hdparm tweaking *always*
required?
desk:/home/tom# hdparm -i /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Model=Maxtor 54610H6, FwRev=JAC61HU0, SerialNo=F603SFXC
Config={ Fixed }
RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=90045648
IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2
AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled
Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 0:
* signifies the current active mode
desk:/home/tom# hdparm -tT /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 1916 MB in 2.00 seconds = 958.00 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 92 MB in 3.02 seconds = 30.46 MB/sec
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Re: Am I using my hard drives right?
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:42:20AM -, James Roberts wrote: > > /* OT I'm new to Debian (and Linux) , but (with respect) your comments on > Win2K > are not accurate. HDD performance and mode in Win2K depends on chipset and > service pack - there is little point in loading Intel drivers for a SIS > chipset. Your comments were somewhat true about the time of Win95. A new > install with latest service pack will usually see optimal settings as > default. */ I replied to this off-list, but the Win2k tweaks I'm talking about for Intel are "Intel Chipset Identification Utility" and "Intel Application Accelerator", formerly replacement IDE drivers for Win2k. They are still useful for WinXP but make a bigger difference in Win2k -- in particular, not necessarily higher I/O throughput, but lower CPU utilization. Win2k forked in 1999 -- and service packs are bugfix only -- how can it be optimal for chipsets released after that? Via has its own stuff. Servers with SCSI have their own issues. We know return you to your regularly scheduled Linux. Sorry to go OT, but I couldn't let this misrepresntation of the facts stand. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Why the net Sucks: Stonehenge
Watching a program on PBS, I decided I wanted to read about Stonehenge. Off to google, I go, searching for "Stonehenge". Didn't like the results. Tried Google directory, Yahoo, and Teoma: didn't like any of them. The experience I wanted was a deep, rich, complete, authoritative, well-annotated, and well-accepted "Library-like" experience reading about Stonehenge: names of the best scholars, the names of the most influential histories and critiques on the subject, in short the sort of experience I would get at a University Library, only faster. The internet is nothing like that. I am lucky in than San Jose has opened a San Jose State's University library to the public: even though it is not a world-class university, the quality of the knowledge available there *blows away* what I can find on the Internet. Help me out here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why the net Sucks: Stonehenge
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 09:06:25AM +, Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] > > The net is best for finding out what books to read;) > I wouldn't suggest that the net is better than an authoratitive book but > a quick search on stonehenge history produced: > http://www.britannia.com/history/h7.html as the first entry and many > more besides. How you search is key to finding the best information. Yeah, that is better. I think link #2 is even better: http://www.anima.demon.co.uk/stones/stonehen/history.html but these aren't exactly deep; these are more like the Travel Brochures you see in hotel lobbies. None of the other links are very good at all. And having to type in "stonehenge history" is the kind of beef I had with old-school search engines like Hotbot or Altavista: you have to be *so* specific or you get crap. Compare these results with typing in just "stonehenge" in the subject category of a decent university library. I want my results pages to look like that. EORant :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why the net Sucks: Stonehenge
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 06:37:34AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: [snip] > I don't see any problem. I found, I think, the sort of thing for > which you were looking in just a few seconds. [snip] > > http://www.aboutstonehenge.info/index.php Imagine what life would be like if googling for stonehenge returned results like these: http://mill1.sjlibrary.org/search/dstonehenge/dstonehenge/1,7,38,B/exact&FF=dstonehenge+england&1,27, and you could click each link and read the entire text! I guess I'd be happy if the full text of all books ever published was available online. Each of those books is probably 300 pages. I can't find *that* amount of depth on the 'net. Also, note, I found this by a single search keyword, "stonehenge". So I highly doubt "http://www.aboutstonehenge.info/index.php";, my "one stop stonehenge spot", is a substitute for the collected works on Stonehenge available in the San Jose library. Some of us are more than consumers! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reading Adobe DRM-enabled e-Books under Linux?
San Jose Public Library has a new e-book lending program. http://ebooks.sjlibrary.org/ You can keep up to 10 titles for up to 21 days, so apparently it is "DRM-enabled". The file I downloaded has the extension "etd". They say you can view them with Adobe Reader or Palm Reader. Apparently you need Adobe 6.0 for Windows or Mac, or Adobe 3.0 for Palm. Any chance of reading this in Linux? I do not intended to violate the Libraries terms (why should I? I pay my taxes) so if I have to break the DRM I don't care. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reading Adobe DRM-enabled e-Books under Linux?
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 04:40:10PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > Apparently you need Adobe 6.0 for Windows or Mac, or Adobe 3.0 > for Palm. > Update: I installed Adobe 6.0 for Windows, held my nose and did the DRM activation (at least the handcuffs were free), and viewed the .etd file. I could "Save A Copy" as a password-protected PDF - xpdf prompted me for the password. Neither my library ID nor my library password was the password. (xpdf didn't recognize the .etd file at all). Any chance of cracking the password? I need to do what Dmitri did. Adobe *said* they'd be willing to make an Adobe 6.0 for Linux with DRM, but there wasn't market share. Therefore, I do not believe I am doing anything ethically wrong here. This is a legit case of cracking DRM, the authorities will look the other way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 07:28:51PM -0800, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake David P James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [snip] > > > These present day idiots in their KKK-style outfits have no more > > > right to special treatment at Stonehenge than does Bugs Bunny. > > > Actually rather less. > > > > > > > While I agree they're little more than idiots, referring to their garb > > as "KKK-style" is a bit much considering that their outfits probably > > pre-date the KKK by a century or two. In fact, it's likely the KKK > > copied the "Druids'" outfits. > > Indeed. I wasn't imputing anything, rather attempting to use a > shorthand that most people would recognise. Mea culpa. A humble request: could everybody be more consciencous about dropping offensive terms like KKK. The cognitive processes preceding such an utterance disturb me. Being from the South, I am really sensitive about it, because people tend to conflate all Southerners with such behavior. The other day Greg Proops did a bit on the Comedy Channel about Southerners having gills, pointy heads, and needing to cross-breed. Just because *some* negative examples of a group of people exist does not mean its okay to name them in polite company. Negative examples can be constructed for any group. How about adding the children of the former awful people to the "sensitivity awareness" mechanism in your brain. Thanks for your time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 03:10:46PM +1100, Matthew Joyce wrote: > > Personally I find this request unreasonable. > Not unlike if Germans ask everyone not to mention Nazi's ever again. Um, duh, Godwin? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:27:06PM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:49:24AM +, Dave Howorth wrote: [snip] > It's just that (unless you're a pseudodruid) there's maybe 10 minutes worth > of interest in it. A lot of big stones in a rather bleak field miles from > anywhere, and there's practically no public transport. So if you're a [snip] > > Then there are lots of > > lanes and paths where nobody but locals and oddball tourists go :) What my middle-aged friend did was sneak some dope into the country in his shampoo bottle and smoke a pipe on the hill, trip out on the countryside, then went into town for a pint. You'd be surprised how many great stories start that way... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My system has Flashbacks?
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 08:38:29PM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: Content-Description: signed data [snip] > The contents of video ram aren't initialized by the hardware. They just > come up in a random state are and just going to be overwritten--why > would the video card both to zero it out? Isn't that a security problem? What if the old contents contained the image of the root password or other sensitive information? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why the net Sucks: Stonehenge
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:51:10PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 10:54:13PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > Piles of stuff, right there, including two complete categories, about > anything you could possibly want to know about Stonehenge. Piles? Did you follow those links? There are three categories: fansites (not authoritative nor deep), travel brochures and tour packages (not interested and all), and interesting sites. Let's consider the interesting sites. True, they are interesting, but compare their content and the amount of it to what I can find in the Library: Ancient Britain : the cradle of civilization, 343 pages The Druid bible, 189 pages The enigma of Stonehenge, 126 pages >From Stonehenge To Modern Cosmology., 96 pages Great Stone Circles, 199 pages Der Handel In Der Vorzeit, 340 pages The Making Of Stonehenge, 305 pages Megalithic Science, 256 pages [and so on, 27 books] So I posit that the interesting content in the library is much deeper and richer than what's on the internet. Plus, 27 hits, and *all* are spot on what I want, no fluff or crap. Obviously, for tech stuff, the internet is authoritative. And there should be travel brochures and fan sites on the internet. But I would much rather "googling for Stonehenge" returned 27 hits comprising thousands of printed pages of meaty, well-established and respected literature, than the way the internet *currently* is. Right now all the travel brochures, fan sites, TV entertainment, and (meagre) scholarly research is all mixed together. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 10:50:41PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:36:33PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 03:10:46PM +1100, Matthew Joyce wrote: > > > > > > Personally I find this request unreasonable. > > > Not unlike if Germans ask everyone not to mention Nazi's ever again. > > > > Um, duh, Godwin? > > Godwin said nothing of the sort. > > http://ursine.ca/jargon/html/G/Godwins-Law.html First, I didn't say "never" -- I said "in polite company". Second, (the weaker, non-never but merely advisory) statement is implied: otherwise why would such a law have ever been needed? You could just as well draw *many* other conclusions about threads as they grow in length; why is *this* one of particular interest, and why do people respect it? Thirdly, the spirit of what I asked was "be nice." The actuality of whether or not you actually express the concept "KKK" is immaterial -- it is a conscious choice for you to "be nice" -- or not. When I said "cognitive processes preceding such utterances", it means "stop looking for monsters in the world." That's what *they* did. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 10:38:19PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > I'd say if you really want to go for the overpowering, stereotypical > southerner, go to Idaho. Replace wife-beaters with flannel and an > Albertan accent instead of a southern drawl. I saw more than one GEO > Metro with a gun rack in Couer d'Alane. He he! I know the type of person you're talking about. I saw on the History channel the other day Couer d'Alene is the "white power / American Nazi" annual meeting place. The "wife-beater" white undershirt is not a phenotype I saw much of -- that's more of a New York Italian stereotype. In the South it's usually a black t-shirt with a picture of a wolf on it, or a picture of a naked chick in viking armor, or Dale Earnhardt's race car. They usually have shoulder sleeves. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why the net Sucks: Stonehenge
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:53:03PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > > You can get that. You could research at the British Museum, for example. > What you really want is everything for free, and you can't reasonably > expect people to give away the copyrighted product of their hard work to > freeloaders. > > If you really seriously want to research Stonehenge on the Web, then > quit whining and get your credit card out. Well, we all know how this debate goes. Let's just assume we've said all the usual things and call it over. Knowledge is the right of all people. Artificial barriers to knowledge must not be created. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP: new to debian 3.0
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, r o b wrote: > > 3) the sound driver was either not installed, or not configured properly on > installation. I get the error: > "error initializing sound driver: > device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied)" > ...when logging in. adduser audio ...that much for sure...probably other things too > > 4) is there any way to shutdown/reboot the system while logged in as a user? I'd > rather not have to su to root everytime to power down. Ctrl-Alt-Delete at the console -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 05:30:18PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > Ah, then we have another type of redneck: South by Northwest. > Southern drawl white trailer trash that somehow made it to the > northwest. Most famous example would be Tanya Harding's most recent > ex-husband. Well, this statement is going to be controversial, but one type of redneck lives in a 95% white culture, and one type lives in a roughly 50-50% white-black culture. Not that you implied anything at all like that; I just didn't want you to be confused over "who's working harder to be chill." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
howto use "local" version of libcurl2 for single app
The most recent libcurl2/curl in SID breaks gotmail. So I put it on hold and kept the N-1 version. But now I have to put openoffice.org-bin and the rest of openoffice.org on hold, because it needs the newest libcurl2. How can I go ahead and update to the latest libcurl2 and openoffice in my *main* dpkg, but just tell gotmail to use the N-1 version of libcurl2? I guess the N-1 version will just have to be unpacked but not installed. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto use "local" version of libcurl2 for single app
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 10:31:33AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:08:02AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > The most recent libcurl2/curl in SID breaks gotmail. > > So I put it on hold and kept the N-1 version. > > > > But now I have to put openoffice.org-bin and the rest of > > openoffice.org on hold, because it needs the newest libcurl2. > > > > How can I go ahead and update to the latest libcurl2 and openoffice > > in my *main* dpkg, but just tell gotmail to use the N-1 version > > of libcurl2? I guess the N-1 version will just have to be unpacked > > but not installed. > > No, unpacked-but-not-configured packages overwrite the previous version. > You'll probably have to build libcurl2 N-1 from source, stick it in > /usr/local or something, and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to get gotmail to use > it. Thanks. I meant "extracted" not unpacked -- taking the binary deb and extracting it somewhere else. I tried a bit to do what you suggested, but I'm not clever enough to pull it off and I don't have the inclination to put in the time on that. Fortunately gotmail is just a perl script so I was able to edit it to add the "--insecure" option to not check the SSL cert which is what was failing. It's not like I get trusted mail over hotmail anyway -- it's my crap account. Temp workaround. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Openoffice is getting really nice!
The newest OpenOffice in SID is really fantastic! I am amazed at how fast it starts, and how fast it runs. The widgets look fantastic, it's really starting to get that "Mozilla Firebird" non-bloat feel, without being slavishly gnome-ish. I think it's close to the "tipping point" where its going to start being cooler than the original and I'll "think of it first" instead of "thinking of it instead." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Openoffice is getting really nice!
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 03:30:20AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > The newest OpenOffice in SID is really fantastic! > I am amazed at how fast it starts, and how fast it runs. > oowriter that is; oocalc and oodraw still feel pretty bloated oocalc especially -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Floppy installation
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:52:41PM +, peter a wrote: > > > Hi, > I have a computer that I wish to install debian to. The problem is that > the only bootable device I have is a usb floppy drive, I have a usb cd-rom > as well, but not bootable. > > I wan't to be able to boot the installation from my usb floppy and the > continue to use the cd-rom och even a net-install. > > I have tried to boot with a rescue floppy, but when I insert the > root-image, it crashes. > > Any ideas anyone, cause I've all out... > /Peter Well, you could RTFM! http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-boot-from-floppies See the link for usb boot floppies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:23:10PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > I don't get where you're going with this... Merely commenting on a fact. Look at a census for the NW US and Canada sometime. Let's ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended ISP's
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 02:57:59PM -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: [snip] > In anycase, it is pointless paranoia. A much more plausible scenario > is a disgruntled employee at any of the computers between you and the > destination sniffing packets. Or someone hacking those > computers/routers. I don't know how it's done, but it's totally true: everything on your cable modem can be intercepted easily by people on your same subnet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended ISP's
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 04:18:48PM -0500, Brett Carrington wrote: [snip] > I'd guess the cable modems are ignoring data not meant for you > specifically. The actual cable line still carries all data however and > it's just a simple matter of modulating/demodulating it. Just how much bandwidth are those cables capable of carrying? I've always wondered: is every cable channel coming to my house simultaneously, plus all this broadband traffic? I seem to recall hearing the number "155 megabit" sometime. Are they using most of it? It seems like when they planned cable television in the 1970's they sure planned in a whole heck of a lot of capacity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended ISP's
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 04:35:37PM -0500, Brett Carrington wrote: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 01:26:29PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 01:07:04PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > > I don't know how it's done, but it's totally true: everything on your > > > cable modem can be intercepted easily by people on your same subnet. > > > > Not these days. Cable companies got a bit more security conscious > > about 5 years ago. > But how? The lines are -still- shared, they didn't change the entire > infastructure. Is each user's cable connection now encrypted end-to-end? > I imagine any amount of secure encryption would really hurt people > trying to play bandwidth-heavy games. (Not in actual bandwidth but computational > time on what I assume are minimally powered cable modems.) The specification is called Docsis (data over cable specification something something) 2.0. I know each cable modem has a digital certificate in it used for authentication - Cisco's cable modems use a variant of the thing they use for requesting certs for routers. I wrote a policy module for Windows Certificate Services for Cisco to handle it. I know they have the *capacity* to basically do IPsec or encrypt everything, but they're not currently. Won't that be exciting when they do! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing mplayer 1.0pre3 from source
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 03:49:48PM -0600, Todd Pytel wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:35:06 -0600 > Benjamin Sher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am a newbie but I thought I should try to install mplayer from > > source. So I downloaded the tarball source for mplayer 1.0pre3 and, > > using gcc3.33 compiler on Xandros 2.0 (Debian), I compiled it. It > > looks fine but nothing happens when I try to launch it. > > Your enthusiasm is admirable, and it is generally a good learning > experience compiling things from source. Mplayer, however, is not the > package to do this with, as you're finding out. It's incredibly tedious, > has a zillion optional codecs, some of which are hard to find and > conflict with one another, and generally leaves you with a huge variety > of libraries, codecs, includes, and other crap lying around your > filesystem. Trust me, I've done it. It was a stupid exercise, entirely > not worth the trouble. It's hard but only "first order hard" -- just keep plodding and you'll get it. And I like to do it from source so I know it's optimal. Here's my changes to the debian/rules file: configure-stamp: dh_testdir # Add here commands to configure the package. $(checkdir) ./configure --prefix=/usr --confdir=/etc/mplayer \ --enable-live --with-livelibdir=/x/b/mplay/live \ --with-win32libdir=/usr/local/lib/extralite \ --with-win32libdir=/usr/local/lib/extralite \ --with-reallibdir=/usr/local/lib/extralite \ --with-xanimlibdir=/usr/local/lib/xanimdlls \ --enable-gui $(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS) because I unpack the extralite and xanimdlls to that place, and I've done the live stuff from source to that place. Just run fakeroot debian/rules configure | less until you've gotten all the *-dev packages installed. Usually it's clear what packages to install, but sometimes I had to look carefully at the makefile to see why the test was failing. For convenience, I've put a list of all my installed packages here: http://home.comcast.net/~40101.nospam/pkg Getting RTSP:// and PNM:// RealMedia streaming was the *last* thing I got working: to do that, you need to download and build the live.com stuff. It's a very rewarding exercise to get it going. It probably took me about a week to get everything but live.com going, then a few months later it took me another week to figure that out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended ISP's
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 04:56:53PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: [snip] > > Yes all the channels and the traffic are coming on the same wire. Each > channel is at a different frequency (kind of like for regular antenna > reception), and the tv picks out whichever channel you want. Could a device in theory record every channel simultaneously? Could it in practice? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing mplayer 1.0pre3 from source
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 04:13:57PM -0600, Todd Pytel wrote: [snip] > > Do you actually understand what all the various compile-time options > are, and why you may or may not want them? For probably 99% of users, > the basic options in premade packages are all they need. If you're in > that 1% left over, then by all means compile away. It's nice to have the > power if you need it, but silly to reinvent a perfectly good wheel. I don't add any special compile-time switches to optimize it: the default debian/rules has an "--enable-runtime-cpu-detection" flag set which I remove. Mplayer will then optimize itself for your particular CPU, no heroics required. In fact, it will complain at some point that you really should do that. Not sure how *much* difference it makes, but mplayer put it in there for some reason, I'm sure. Plus, my source.list is simpler without 3rd party apt sources -- and thus my dependency hell is lessened. Plus, it's fun! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Login
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 08:24:34PM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: > Just be aware that telnet is a security disaster. Use ssh instead. Not if you're using IPSec. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Print Icon?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 08:56:25PM +, Ken Gilmour wrote: > To fix this problem open a command prompt and type "format c:" and then > type "Yes" when you are prompted to do so... "why does it give me a > prompt?" you ask! Well who cares? if you didn't want to do it why would > you have typed the command in the first place? You can't format the current drive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Print Icon?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:35:30PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 01:27:59PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > You can't format the current drive. > > That is a common misconception. I have done it. Pretty easy from the > command line. On NT? With format.exe? On C:? I just tried it, with the "/x" (force unmount) switch: it fails, files still in use. I guess it would be possible in theory, especially if you wrote your own kernel-mode code, but the standard tools check for this. I think maybe a non-system partition can be forced, and apps with open files will just get errors, but the OS won't let you destroy itself while its in use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Print Icon?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 05:40:40PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > with open files will just get errors, but the OS won't let you > destroy itself while its in use. Note you can still "destroy it" by just "del /s *"... but you can't format it, or if so, I'd like to know how. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended ISP's
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 09:34:24PM -0500, Brett Carrington wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 06:31:04PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > > What difference does it make? Quality mail providers give you > > IMAP4-SSL and POP3-SSL anyway... > > > > > Any major ISP's do this? My RBOC doesn't for DSL. I do pop3-ssl with comcast. But I don't know how to configure it for exim/smtp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentation and Useability - a proposed solution
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 08:48:08PM -0600, Mac McCaskie wrote: > Here is my proposed solution: > > Only allow completely documented packages in stable. Other packages can > go to "non-free" or "Experts Only" or some other name that will warn the > users caution is warrented. > > This solution WILL NOT prevent anyone from getting their favorite > packages but WILL reduce frustration for un-awares noobies. It will > also reduce the steep learning curve us Recovering-Windows-Users face. > And it may reduce some of these "debates" over who can walk the halls of > Debian-Land. You're just rambling. Be quiet and get to work. It takes about a month of non-stop hard-core work to get up to speed on Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended ISP's
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 07:33:05PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > Just install exim-tls and don't bother setting up a smarthost except > for those that give you problems. If anybody wants to see how to get > around that in exim4, let me know and I'll post it here and someplace > on my site. exim-tls isn't in sid; what's it called there? I don't want to do much with exim; I like the functionality "as is" in Woody with eximconfig/Smarthost only, but I would like to turn on the "tls/ssl" switch to encyrpt it as it uploads. Is the "new exim" just a drop-in replacement for what ships in Woody? I like using a Smarthost, hell, the government monitors every damn thing anyway; I'm keeping no secrets. No privacy, but it's been 100% reliable for me, and I don't care much. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is swen back?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 06:40:58AM +0100, Wilko Fokken wrote: > DENY<>^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > DENY=^Content-Type:.*text/html > DENY=^Subject:.subscribe > DENY=^Subject:.unsubscribe That looks like a remarkable sensible set of rules. What's your false positive/negative hit rate? It should be perfect. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redirecting kernel messages
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 04:59:36PM +1100, Cameron Hutchison wrote: > (and on the fast machines of today, a glance is all you get before X > starts :-) Yeah, if glance == 35 seconds. Probably 10 seconds of that is USB hotplugging doing some while it sync [001 002 003 001 002 003]. Dunno what that is. Me == doing something wrong? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorta OT: free software voice stress analysis software?
Just read http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20040116S0050: Besides lie detection, Watson said, the technology "can also measure for other emotions like anxiety, fear or even love." Indeed V Entertainment offers Pocket PC "love detector" software that can attach to a phone line or work from recorded tapes. It's available for download at www.v-entertainment.com. Instead of color-coded LEDs, a bar graph on the display indicates how much the caller to whom you are speaking "loves" you. V Entertainment claims the love detector has demonstrated 96 percent accuracy. A PC version is due next month. Anything like this in the free software world? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MPlayer plugin and flash plugin
Just in case others were "in the dark" as I was till just now, you can really make Mozilla nice with the MPlayer plugin and the Flash plugin, and the Flash Click to Play extension. http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions/#flashclick I don't want any of the other extensions listed there -- I like the fact that that stuff isn't integrated. Are there any other really cool extensions out there beside the "official" ones? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RealPlayer Autoupdate Error with Mplayer Plugin?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 08:38:46PM -0600, Benjamin Sher wrote: > Dear friends: > > I am very pleased with my Mplayer plugin in Mozilla. However, when I try to > run RealPlayer embedded files I get > > http://www.johnkerry.com/ > > (To to right column, middle: Recent TV Ads, A Good American, Real, DSL) > > I get a strange error message: > > "You do not have the necessary user permissions to enable Autoupdate. " > > What in the world is RealPlayer talking about? > > On the other hand, if I select the same clip using Windows Media Player, it > works flawlessly. > I just installed the MPlayer plugin after reading your post, and about:plugins says "MPlayer Plug-in supports QuickTime Plug-in 6.0 and Windows Media Player Plugin" and only lists Quicktime and Windows Media protocols as supported, even though my MPlayer will do live.com RealPlayer RTSP:// streaming. So, maybe it's just the plugin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: your mail
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:23:48AM +0530, Tarun Singhal wrote: > > Largest Matrimonial Portal For Agarwal > > We have the largest collection of Agarwal Bride & Groom "On the other hand, the Indian middle class is rejecting certain types of global cultural forces. One of the less appealing but increasingly visible forces of cultural globalization in Indian is the evangelical Christian movement. Missionary activity in India is growing at a rapid pace as these movements become increasingly 'Fordist', or assembly line, in character. Missionaries, primarily from American and Europe, spend a month or so in Indian cities forming and training 'cell groups' of individuals who in turn prosyletize. This in turn has led to tension between missionaries and pro-Hindu groups and has resulted in the killing of seven missionaries. These deaths were spotlighted by the national media and led to national debate about the position of relgious minorities in India. The middle classes were vocal in expressing their distress ah the changing nature of missionary actiivity in the country, as well as the intolerant response to it." from "A Tryst with Destiny: The Indian Case of Cultural Globalization" by Tulasi Srinivas, in "Many Globalizations: Cultural Diversity in the Contemporary World", ed. by Peter L. Berger and Samual P. Huntington, (c)2002. p.92. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How can I learn what packages are "new"?
How can I learn what packages are new in the repository after a certain date? Sometimes I comment out my http:// sources and just use my local file:/ source, but then when I uncomment them all of Sid is new. If I forget to "forget new" before my next apt-get update, I can't tell what's new and what's old new. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
