Re: Computers
since everyone is joining in, and before someone close this thread, i would like cash instead, i'll build my own : ) Vikki Roemer wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 02:59:37PM -0600, Steve Waterman wrote: Glenn: Are we going to purchase two computers for Kim Wallace and Jim Vanderslice? Steve I don't know, but while you're buying computers for people, can you get me one, too? I only want one computer, so I'm cheaper to buy for than them. *grin* I would like my computer to have an Athlon XP processor, a CD burner, 2 floppy drives, a >=40 GB HD, >=512 MB RAM, a 400 W powersupply, a decent sound card, a decent set of speakers, and a decent video card, please. :P Happy shopping! :) -- Gene Yoo Registered Linux User #294055 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Clearing a BIOS password
google the motherboard, and check the dip switch settings, usually dip switch number 4 is the one that resets the bios password. ** gene Mark L. Kahnt wrote: Anyone remember how to clear a password on a BIOS? I've got a box from a client that has stopped booting from CD, and this client is ready to move to dual-booting but this is his main desktop box and it needs some cuffing around the BIOS. The password was put on by the vendor of the box, who then went broke three months later. I need to get Windows working (certain key files were clobbered by yet another virus - including explorer.exe - likely others, but I'm finding them one-at-a-time) to at least extract some key data before re-partitioning, and currently, for some strange reason, Windows can't see the cd-rom at all (while 2DiskXWin does, so I know that the hardware is okay - only M$ is $crewed ;) Yeah, it's all complicated - simply put, I need to clear the BIOS password, and I've forgotten the normal trick (other than removing the battery and disconnecting the power supply, and hoping the CMOS is static RAM rather than EEPROM - which one guy I know used a number of years back for his garage-built line of boxes.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-us.debian.org caught fire
this would explain why I was able to connect and download some packages... I know I should of just stayed connected last night... Paul Johnson wrote: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/20/132259&mode=thread&tid=99&threshold=0 Yes. Caught fire. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Books on Debian
New to debian, more of freebsd and other OS users (except MS, although not by choice at work), anyways, any good reading on using debian that anybody could recommend... TIA gene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Love you guys
great, i'm glad i know this now, I'm about to get about 5 DL380/dual processor and ML540 next week to install linux... any pointers or problems that I'm going to have? I'll try installing debian before my boss makes me install rh, but then again, i'm going to have to install freebsd just for fun before we go live production :) since we're talking about servers, has anyone tried to install linux on xSeries IBM? Kirk Strauser wrote: At 2002-11-20T22:23:56Z, "deFreese, Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What do you mean especailly with a Compaq? I personally think that the Proliant servers are some of the best PC-based servers out there. Yes, but they're also the most chock-full of weird hardware. I haven't touched a Compaq since I installed on a DL380 two years ago, but it was a major pain in my neck to get that thing running. Once the install was finished, though, it ran very well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What [OT] stands for?
and i thought it stand for [O]ral [T]herapy :) Michael D. Crawford wrote: Either Ornithology or Ornithologist, depending on the context. It means the study of birds. Bird scientists are very active online. Mike -- Gene Yoo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: server monitoring program
check out -> http://www.nagios.org, nagios could monitor servers services as well as other core infrastructures... /gene Mikael Jirari wrote: I know bb4 do that quite well and it's portable on unix and windows. I think mrtg do something like that as well (disk use, load of the processor) -Original Message- From: Kevin Coyner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 December 2002 18:15 To: Debian User Subject: server monitoring program Looking for a recommendation of a server monitoring program to use. I'm responsible for serveral different websites that are run on independent ISP/hosts. A couple of these sites are on Win2K boxes, and a couple on Linux. I'm looking for a program that does simple testing to see if these sites are "just up and running" (i.e. as simple as a periodic ping). Almost needless to say, I'm not on the same network as these machines, so firewalls will be present on both my end and the server end. I'll run the program from a Debian box. Thanks Kevin -- Kevin Coyner mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 -- Gene Yoo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: server monitoring program
nagios ntop good luck. /gene Kevin Coyner wrote: Looking for a recommendation of a server monitoring program to use. I'm responsible for serveral different websites that are run on independent ISP/hosts. A couple of these sites are on Win2K boxes, and a couple on Linux. I'm looking for a program that does simple testing to see if these sites are "just up and running" (i.e. as simple as a periodic ping). Almost needless to say, I'm not on the same network as these machines, so firewalls will be present on both my end and the server end. I'll run the program from a Debian box. Thanks Kevin -- Gene Yoo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How insecure are cable connections, versus dialup?
check out monkey.org/~dugsong for dsniff //gene Geordie Birch wrote: said Jason Pepas (on 2002-12-09), some folks like to sniff passwds... those are some of the ones you should worry about... ( there are ssh based pwd sniffers too ) ssh based password sniffers? can you provide us with any evidence of this? don't know about ssh2 but ettercap works great for ssh1 man-in-the-middle attacks. Geordie. -- Gene Yoo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suitable email agent
re link promoting oberon; That looks as it it would be happy with my cuurent fetchmail/procmail sucking my imap account at my isp. As it alsu=o uses an external program like sendmail or exim, to send, is there a preferred utility to post back to that same imap server running dovecot? thanks and Cheers, Gene
Re: smail doesn't read ~/.forward file
On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 08:52:58AM +0200, you wrote:
> Hi,
> I am using smail on my debian slink box with 2.2.10 kernel.
> I set up my ~/.forward file in order to sort my mail through procmail
> ("|/usr/bin/procmail") but it didn't work.
> Trying various .forward files, I figured out that this file is not
> read at all.
You don't need to use a .forward file in this case. Read section 2c of
/usr/doc/procmail/examples/advanced. You just have to add the following
two lines to your /etc/smail/transports file, replace the existing "local"
entry:
local: return_path, local, from, driver=pipe; user=root,
cmd="/usr/bin/procmail -d $($user$)"
Gene
sendmail rejecting bad domains
I have someone trying to send me email from a machine that is behind a firewall. The firewall relays the mail through, but leaves the sender's machine name on the message. The sender's machine is not in the DNS, so sendmail rejects it with "501 Sender domain must exist". The sender can't fix his corporation's broken firewall. How do I get sendmail to allow this message through? I care less about spam than I do lost email. Thanks for any clues. -- | Gene McCulley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice: (407) 265-0772 | | Cuspy Solutions, Inc. | http://cuspy.com/~mcculley/ | Fax: (407) 265-0773 | | Your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries! |
Re: sendmail rejecting bad domains
>>>>> "Rick" == Richard A Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rick> The sender will need to setup sendmail to masquerade as his Rick> firewall. In my case, telling my customer to change his configuration is not and acceptable option. I need my sendmail to be more forgiving. >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Iannarelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter> I had the same problem. If you are using smail, in the Peter> /etc/smail/config you can adjust the authentication for a Peter> specific IP addresses or subnets. Thus your server receive Peter> e-mail from the location in question. Peter> The line in question is smtp_hello_broken_allow Hmmm. I guess I need to convert from sendmail to smail as I can't find anything in the sendmail documentation on this. Is there any other option? I think I tried smail first on my mail server machine, but I thought I had problems getting it to act as a relay for other nodes on my network, which are running sendmail. Yuck. Thanks for the suggestions. -- | Gene McCulley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice: (407) 265-0772 | | Cuspy Solutions, Inc. | http://cuspy.com/~mcculley/ | Fax: (407) 265-0773 | | Your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries! |
Re: sendmail rejecting bad domains
>>>>> "Rick" == Richard A Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rick> No problem... add this to your sendmail.mc and regenerate: Rick> FEATURE(accept_unresolvable_domains)dnl you may also wish to Rick> add FEATURE(accept_unqualified_senders)dnl to allow those Rick> b0rked clients using HELO host /* with no domain */ ... Rick> Good luck, and let me know how it goes -- Rick That works. You rule. Thank you. I owe you a beer. -- | Gene McCulley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice: (407) 265-0772 | | Cuspy Solutions, Inc. | http://cuspy.com/~mcculley/ | Fax: (407) 265-0773 | | Your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries! |
Re: Switching to KDM...
Try removing kdm, then reinstalling it. You may have to use --force-overwrite when you run dpkg on the reinstall since kdm wants to overwrite some files that were previously installed by xdm. Gene On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 02:54:01PM -0400, you wrote: > Hi, Debian newbie asking his normal stupid question :-) > > I have KDE on my computer, works just fine, etc etc. When the computer > boots up it goes straight into XDM. I can log in and kill xdm from a text > window and start up kdm, no problems there. I would, however, like to > change it so KDM starts instead of XDM. I haven't tried this in a while so > I can't recall what steps I've taken, but any advice would be much > appreciated :-) > > Jon > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: Configuring printer (HP 870Cxi)
On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 06:06:47PM +, you wrote: > Hi to all > I'm using Debian Potato and, I must say, it's wonderful, even if it's > unstable (sometimes WindowMaker 0.6 freezes, and sometimes the entire > system crashes with strange errors). > However a big problem I'm having is about printing. I'm using an HP > Deskjet 870Cxi printer, I configured /etc/printcap with the magicfilter > dj550c-filter (I haven't found the right filter for 870) but when I > print something different from text (text prints well) I get an error: > "can't find file dju550c". Where is this missing file?? I downloaded and > installed the djtools package, but that didn't resolved anything... > Any help would be very appreciated. Thanx > Bye > Marco Hi Marco, I am running potato with an HP855 printer. Here is what works for me. It should also work for your HP870. I am using apsfilter instead of magicfilter. I had problems with the potato version of apsfilter , so I installed version 4.9.7-5 from slink. I am using this in conjuction with ghostscript. For ghostscript, go to the debian ftp site and get the deb binary from debian/project/experimental. This has been hacked to include the HP850 driver, which will also work for the HP870. This setup has been performing flawlessly for me. Good luck. Gene
Re: Set a Realtek 8019AS network card to half duplex - HOW?
(hopefully I don't get flamed too hard for this!) Or you could just download ftp://152.104.125.40/cn/nic/rtl8019as/rset-8019(330).zip and extract the contents(rset8019.exe) to a DOS bootable floppy (you do still have one, right?), boot to DOS from the floppy, run the rset program and change whatever you need to, including full/half duplex. I've done this hundreds of times. Sorry, I'm more of a DOS & Winblows guy and don't know of a linux solution. hopefully this will solve your problem, though. Gene --- "Q. Gong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are using module for the NIC, it's perhaps > possible to set the half > duplex mode in the options passed to the module. > > Good luck, > > Qian = Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: mdadm RAID array disappears on reboot
In my case I had to move /etc/rcS.d/S04mdadm-raid further down on the list somewhere between modules and mount. S04 was to early. But my RAID5 doesn't have any systems files. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
home firewall problems
i'm setting up a firewall for my home network and i'm having problems w/ my network cards. eth0 connects to the internal LAN w/ address 10.10.10.1 eth1 connects to my cable modem gets a dhcp address the problem: if both cards are listed in /etc/network/interfaces eth1 will error out on its configuration. this happens both at boot time network configuration and if i restart the networking service. eth0 will work fine and be able to communicate with all workstations on the internal network. if i remove eth0's entry from the interfaces file and reboot eth1 will work perfectly. this has been confusing me for the last few days, so if anyone has ideas i would really like to hear them. below is a copy of my /etc/network/interfaces file: # The loopback interface iface lo inet loopback #eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 10.10.10.0 broadcast 10.10.10.255 # The first network card-this entry was created during the Debian installation iface eth1 inet dhcp *
Re: Re: Could not find kfmclient executable.
Hello "apt- get install konqueror" solved my problem
Re: Re: Could not find kfmclient executable.
Hello "apt-get install konqueror" solved the problem for me.
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list))
On Saturday 14 August 2021 08:44:44 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:37:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > tomas writes: > > > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? > > > > Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier > > yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but > > worked. And, of course, pigeons. > > Yes! Pigeons! UUCP over Avian Carrier. Later they shamelessly copied > that in rfc1149 [1]. > > (now seriously: my first Usenet feed actually was over UUCP over... > a 14.4k modem) > > Cheers > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carrier > > - t Chuckle, you were a bit late to that party Tomas. When I first accessed Delphi, I used a 300 baud modem on a trs-80 color computer running os9. That was before Judge Green, and the 16 air miles to the access point was still long distance. So my coco ran my LD bill up over $100 some months. Nobody had 56k modems yet. I was in hog heaven when I got my first 1200 baud modem. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
Greetings all; I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung SSD's. The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 are bonded out, and collectively show up at ata7 in dmesg. They show up as /dev/sde/f/g/h but have not otherwise been touched. So I thought I'd make sure I was up to date, annd possibly install some raid-ish stuff to prepare this array for use as /home in the bullseye install, but something is ay least 5000% aglay. sudo apt update says it wants to gut much of the system and upgrade 2588 packages. Yet my repo list looks like its normal stretch. What is going on? Do I wind up on buster or should I kiss it all goodbye? Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 08:05:27 Dan Ritter wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung > > SSD's. > > > > The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 are > > bonded out, and collectively show up at ata7 in dmesg. > > > > They show up as /dev/sde/f/g/h but have not otherwise been touched. > > > > So I thought I'd make sure I was up to date, annd possibly install > > some raid-ish stuff to prepare this array for use as /home in the > > bullseye install, but something is ay least 5000% aglay. > > > > sudo apt update says it wants to gut much of the system and upgrade > > 2588 packages. Yet my repo list looks like its normal stretch. > > > > What is going on? Do I wind up on buster or should I kiss it all > > goodbye? > > Tell us more about what you're doing, but also remember that you > can't skip stable versions in an upgrade - you need to upgrade > from stretch to buster, then to bullseye. > > -dsr- I am subbed Dan, don't need the Cc: Tell me where to read about an insitu upgrade from stretch to buster, its running very well on 5 other machines here. Or is that what apt wants to do this Monday morning by wanting to upgrade 2588 packages? This is an uptodate stretch, last checked day before yesterdaty, aka Saturday, but now it wants to do this: root@coyote:~$ apt update Hit:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease Hit:2 http://linuxcnc.org stretch InRelease Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian oldstable InRelease Hit:4 http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/debian stretch InRelease Hit:5 http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian stretch InRelease Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 2588 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. 2 hours later it still wants to do that. That is enough to put me on buster. IF it works. That is the $64,000 question, will it work? Or has somebody misscopied the apt list from buster to stretch? Thanks Dan. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 09:01:32 Gene Heskett wrote: My mis-steak, its Tuesday not Monday. > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 08:05:27 Dan Ritter wrote: > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung > > > SSD's. > > > > > > The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 > > > are bonded out, and collectively show up at ata7 in dmesg. > > > > > > They show up as /dev/sde/f/g/h but have not otherwise been > > > touched. > > > > > > So I thought I'd make sure I was up to date, annd possibly install > > > some raid-ish stuff to prepare this array for use as /home in the > > > bullseye install, but something is ay least 5000% aglay. > > > > > > sudo apt update says it wants to gut much of the system and > > > upgrade 2588 packages. Yet my repo list looks like its normal > > > stretch. > > > > > > What is going on? Do I wind up on buster or should I kiss it all > > > goodbye? > > > > Tell us more about what you're doing, but also remember that you > > can't skip stable versions in an upgrade - you need to upgrade > > from stretch to buster, then to bullseye. > > > > -dsr- > > I am subbed Dan, don't need the Cc: > > Tell me where to read about an insitu upgrade from stretch to buster, > its running very well on 5 other machines here. > > Or is that what apt wants to do this Monday morning by wanting to > upgrade 2588 packages? This is an uptodate stretch, last checked day > before yesterdaty, aka Saturday, but now it wants to do this: > > root@coyote:~$ apt update > Hit:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease > Hit:2 http://linuxcnc.org stretch InRelease > Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian oldstable InRelease > Hit:4 > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0 >/debian stretch InRelease > Hit:5 > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian > stretch InRelease > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > 2588 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see > them. > > 2 hours later it still wants to do that. That is enough to put me on > buster. IF it works. That is the $64,000 question, will it work? Or > has somebody misscopied the apt list from buster to stretch? > > Thanks Dan. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 09:08:43 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:01:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Tell me where to read about an insitu upgrade from stretch to > > buster, > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ > > > root@coyote:~$ apt update > > Hit:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease > > Hit:2 http://linuxcnc.org stretch InRelease > > Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian oldstable InRelease > > Hit:4 > > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0 > >.0/debian stretch InRelease > > Hit:5 > > http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/debian > > stretch InRelease > > Reading package lists... Done > > Building dependency tree > > Reading state information... Done > > 2588 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see > > them. > > > > 2 hours later it still wants to do that. That is enough to put me on > > buster. IF it works. > > You literally have the word "oldstable" in your sources.list for your > main Debian repository? That's a really unsound practice. It will > lead to unexpected release upgrades (or worse, unexpected *failed* > release upgrades). > Now I am doubly confused, according to what I'm looking at in the synaptic repo list, I do have that in the first entry, disabled now. I sure don't recall adding that as it had to be added since Saturday. And now its only two to be updated, lightning and t-bird, not 2588 packages. > You also have multiple third-party repositories in your sources.list. > It's strongly recommended that you remove those during the release > upgrade. You may or may not also have to remove the *packages* that > came from them. It'll be on an "at your own risk" basis if you don't. Several folks on the TDE mailing list have already reported no problems doing the update. Ditto for linuxcnc, although they may have to build a realtime kernel before linuxcnc will run right again. But thats a special case for the other machines here, and not applicable to this one which isn't running machinery heavier than a tabloid sized brother printer. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 12:00:57 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 07:24:45AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung > > SSD's. > > > > The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 are > > bonded out, and collectively show up at ata7 in dmesg. > > > > They show up as /dev/sde/f/g/h but have not otherwise been touched. > > > > So I thought I'd make sure I was up to date, annd possibly install > > some raid-ish stuff to prepare this array for use as /home in the > > bullseye install, but something is ay least 5000% aglay. > > > > sudo apt update says it wants to gut much of the system and upgrade > > 2588 packages. Yet my repo list looks like its normal stretch. > > > > What is going on? Do I wind up on buster or should I kiss it all > > goodbye? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > -- > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law > > respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > I think the others have mostly covered this but: > > Do the update to Buster - take it as slow as you need to. Bring it > bang up to date. Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? Thank you Andrew. > For the Buster to Bullseye - > > READ RELEASE NOTES :) > > Use apt. > > Change sources list. https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList > > apt update > > apt upgrade > > [That will upgrade any services / packages that can be upgraded > in place without compromising anything else.] > > apt full-upgrade > > [Which will do the final upgrade and sort otu the warning messages > about distribution has changed etc.] > > Good luck, should be relatively straightforward. > > Andy Cater Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 16:57:44 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 04:54:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > It's still at > <https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/>. Thats fine but its html in little pieces, so if the update destroys my network. I'm DIW. so where is the complete .pdf so I can read hard copy without a network? Thank you. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 17:45:49 piorunz wrote: > On 17/08/2021 21:57, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 04:54:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > > > It's still at > > <https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/>. > > Or to by more precise, that's what most important to thread author: > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgradin >g.en.html > Lots closer to what I am looking for. Thank you. > -- > > With kindest regards, piorunz. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org > ⠈⠳⣄ Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:05:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > > > What, in this helpful thread, do you find difficult to understand? > > > > You have a collection of important machines in your charge. The > > complexity of managing them does not appear to be your forte. > > Eptness appears to have deserted you. > > > > Stick wuth what you have. It is less strain on you and on us. :) > > > > -- > > Brian. > > Brian - maybe a bit more consideration? Any of us can be exasperating > but it's worth spending some time with Gene to get it right. > > Gene, > > You have two upgrades to do. > > One from stretch -> buster. 9-10 That takes you from 2017 -> 2019. > > If you can reduce your /etc/apt/sources.list by commenting out third > party repositories like Trinity, that will help. > > [Taken from https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using] > > The Stretch /etc/apt/sources.list should look like this: > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib > non-free > > Bring Stretch up to date finally: apt update ; apt full-upgrade > > Go find the release notes for Buster: > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/index.en.ht >ml - especially Section 4 and 5 > > Buster sources.list - Buster was the first list to use deb.debian.org > extensively > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free > > deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main > contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security > buster/updates main contrib non-free > > [Taken from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade] > > Use apt update ; apt upgrade ; apt full-upgrade (optionally apt > autoremove) > > Buster to Bullseye - 10-11 - 2019-2021 > > Follow the same process again, essentially > > Bullseye sources.list > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main > contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ > bullseye-security main contrib non-free > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib > non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main > contrib non-free > > Uncomment third party repositories - change appropriately, then apt > update ; apt upgrade ; apt full-upgrade > > It's worth taking time to do this and writing down what step you've > taken (or just print off the appropriate pages and use them as a tick > list) There's a lot to do and it's _easy_ to mess up. > > Take care - all best, as always, > > Andy Cater Thank you Andy, thats more of the recipe I need to follow. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:05:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > > > What, in this helpful thread, do you find difficult to understand? > > > > You have a collection of important machines in your charge. The > > complexity of managing them does not appear to be your forte. > > Eptness appears to have deserted you. > > > > Stick wuth what you have. It is less strain on you and on us. :) > > > > -- > > Brian. > > Brian - maybe a bit more consideration? Any of us can be exasperating > but it's worth spending some time with Gene to get it right. > > Gene, > > You have two upgrades to do. > > One from stretch -> buster. 9-10 That takes you from 2017 -> 2019. > > If you can reduce your /etc/apt/sources.list by commenting out third > party repositories like Trinity, that will help. > > [Taken from https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using] > > The Stretch /etc/apt/sources.list should look like this: > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib > non-free > > Bring Stretch up to date finally: apt update ; apt full-upgrade I am here, and there was only a long lit of autoremoves, which I did. I was already uptodate. > Go find the release notes for Buster: > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/index.en.ht >ml - especially Section 4 and 5 downoaded and printed setion 4 and section 5 but since I have 5 machines running buster from fresh installs from the linuxcnc site which is the same but with a realtime kernel, I don't expect any real showstoppers, but I've made dead tree out of both just in case. I'll let this simmer for 3 or 4 days, giving amanda a chance to catch up, then continue from here. Thank you Andrew. To Greg and Brian: I hope you both make it to my age, where poor short term memory will have become a daily fact, and that your experience by then is as wide as mine. I do have interests far wider than just debian. When I wrote my first program, it was for a tv station, ran on an rca 1802. That was 1979, and it was usefull enough they were still using it several times a day in 1995. Computers have gotten a few hunbred times faster and at least 100x more capable AND complex today. And I do have other interests. To many it seems. You've no doubt heard that water is not compressible, but in fact it is, it just takes another 7 miles of water on top of it to do it. I had fingerprints on the pcb's in the camera's that were on the Trieste when it went down into the mohole that took those pictures that proved it over 60 years ago. > Buster sources.list - Buster was the first list to use deb.debian.org > extensively > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free > > deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main > contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security > buster/updates main contrib non-free > > [Taken from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade] > > Use apt update ; apt upgrade ; apt full-upgrade (optionally apt > autoremove) > > Buster to Bullseye - 10-11 - 2019-2021 > > Follow the same process again, essentially > > Bullseye sources.list > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main > contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/ > bullseye-security main contrib non-free > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib > non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main > contrib non-free > > Uncomment third party repositories - change appropriately, then apt > update ; apt upgrade ; apt full-upgrade > > It's worth taking time to do this and writing down what step you've > taken (or just print off the appropriate pages and use them as a tick > list) There's a lot to do and it's _easy_ to mess up. > > Take care - all best, as always, > > Andy Cater Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye
On Wednesday 18 August 2021 08:05:43 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 09:12:24AM +0100, Tixy wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 09:03 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:48:10PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > > [an abridged version of the release notes] > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Andy, thats more of the recipe I need to follow. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > > > > > > See, *this* is exactly what I tried to avoid -- giving someone > > > > an inferior version of the release notes, empowering their > > > > laziness, > > > > > > [...] > > > > Greg *was* trying to help Gene (and us) by getting him to read > > documentation from the Debian project, rather than picking one of > > several different 'easy' suggestions from this list. > > > > If you read the release notes you get a clue what to expect and what > > to do. Or you can not bother and just rely on the helpful people on > > this list. > > > > I know from my upgrade to Buster I had to take action due to > > AppArmor and nftables now being default and ending up migrating from > > legacy network names to new 'predictable' network names. Looking at > > the release notes again, there's also changes to increase security > > with sshd and OpenSSL, and with Systemd needing entropy at boot > > (Gene has some ARM boards the latter may hit). > > > > Want to take bets that Gene won't be back in a few days with > > problems caused by some of the above changes? He could save himself, > > and you, time and hassle if he read the release notes. > > Yes, yes, and yes. Agreed that you should read the release notes. > > I tried to put more of it into one email with pointers to where the > info was derived from so that it was in one place rather than five > emails. A convenience factor - not detracting from anybody else's > suggestions. > > Like all of us, Gene has his own ways of doing things, his own > habits and his own ability to do things. That's a necessarily > "different approach from the way I'd do it / different from my > experience / abd I'm sure I could do it better myself" situation. > > That's OK - his systems, his problems to sort if stuff goes > wrong - and yes, we could get into a to and fro of a longer thread - > but if any one of the emails above sorts out how to do this with good > will and good humour - it's a net win for all concerned. > And I should also point out that the 147 IQ I tested at in the 6th grade nominally 75 years ago, is at 86, no longer daily achieved, even with a daily B1 in the pilltainer. I guess he isn't ready for me, or I'd have missed roll call years ago, but most pulmonary embolisms, which I had at 79 yo courtesy of a "one a day" vitamin with way too much vitamin k in it, have a 2% survival rate, but the oxygen starvation did cost me some of those. And while doing this, I am also doing a pair of designs in openscad, one of a rotary drive for a cnc machine, Costing 1% of the commercial product, and ATM, measureing parts that have never been combined to make a mount for a sherpa direct drive 3d printers extruder driver, and a cheap haldis "volcano" hot end assembly with a side mounted BLTouch probe. All to fit on a CR10-S Pro V2 printer whose hot end was cooked out of service by the increase in temps that feeding it PETG filament needs. All that is way off-topic for this list, only related to show where I now am mentally/physically. How many 86 yo's do you know that can still claim doing that... But now it takes me a week to recover from what I once did all day. That tends to go with a rebuilt heart thats pumping 30% of what it did 70 year ago, now timed by a pacemaker. > The list archives are searchable: Google will find stuff on keywords > and the next person to look will find some element of step by step > instructions. And that has to be good for far more folks than this fading old fart represents. Thank you. And take care, ALL of you. > > -- > > Tixy > > All the best to all on the list, as ever, > > Andy Cater Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: smart fans
On Sunday 22 August 2021 12:46:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-22 10:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > > tomas wrote: > >> I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, > >> one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM > > > > That's what you get with the 4th wire/pin? A sensor to > > read RPM? > > Opposite > 3 wire = 2 wire to drive motor + 1 wire to get speed > 4 wire = 2 wire to drive, 1 to get speed, 1 to modify speed > I as a CET, am totally unimpressed with the miss-information being thrown about in this thread. A total lack of how its actually done in real hardware. 1. Any si diode, passing a few microamps of fwd current, is in fact an excellent, does not need to be calibrated, thermometer capable of 1 degree C accuracy. There are several million candidates buried in todays cpu's. 2, even a 2 wire fan can be controlled by using this voltage to determine the on time of a small transistor. Often down to 1% speed at room tmps, so other than the cost of the time at die bondout time, its free. The 1% minimum is actually used to help distribute the motors lubricant. 3, boiled down, the temp measured by this diode can be scaled to control the fan to maintain the device being monitored at a fixed maximum temp, and its done on 2 or 3 of the gates on the cpu die intended to be used to replace a bad gate in you cpu. Intelligently done at test and bondout time, it might add 10 seconds to the time needed to verify the rest of the chip. > > "What you can't measure, you can't control" Better, if you can measure it, you can control a 2 wite motor. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: smart fans
On Sunday 22 August 2021 17:04:06 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 22 August 2021 12:46:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > On 2021-08-22 10:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > > > tomas wrote: > > >> I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, > > >> one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM > > > > > > That's what you get with the 4th wire/pin? A sensor to > > > read RPM? > > > > Opposite > > 3 wire = 2 wire to drive motor + 1 wire to get speed > > 4 wire = 2 wire to drive, 1 to get speed, 1 to modify speed > > I as a CET, am totally unimpressed with the miss-information being > thrown about in this thread. A total lack of how its actually done in > real hardware. > > 1. Any si diode, passing a few microamps of fwd current, is in fact an > excellent, does not need to be calibrated, thermometer capable of 1 > degree C accuracy. There are several million candidates buried in > todays cpu's. > > 2, even a 2 wire fan can be controlled by using this voltage to > determine the on time of a small transistor. Often down to 1% speed at > room tmps, so other than the cost of the time at die bondout time, its > free. The 1% minimum is actually used to help distribute the motors > lubricant. > > 3, boiled down, the temp measured by this diode can be scaled to > control the fan to maintain the device being monitored at a fixed > maximum temp, and its done on 2 or 3 of the gates on the cpu die > intended to be used to replace a bad gate in you cpu. Intelligently > done at test and bondout time, it might add 10 seconds to the time > needed to verify the rest of the chip. > > > > "What you can't measure, you can't control" > > Better, if you can measure it, you can control a 2 wite motor. > And I knew I couldn't get by without a typu. s/b wire. In fact, if a motor has 3 wires, there is a good chance its a tacho wire, used ONLY to tell /you/ how fast its running. > Cheers, Gene Heskett Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: New SSD card for old dell 850
On Wednesday 25 August 2021 07:59:50 juh wrote: > Dear all, > > there is a LITEONIT LMT-32L3M (LWDA) in my dell xps 850 desktop > computer. I use it for the boot and system partitions, home is on a > hard disk. > > The SSD only has 32GB and I am pondering whether I can just attach a > bigger one and reinstall debian mounting / and /home to the ssd and > using the hard disk for archives. > > Here is picture of it: > https://www.ebay.com/p/668700327 Which is called an mSATA interface, and if you scroll down, there are links to mSATA LiteOn drives up to 128GB for under a $30 bill. Seems like a relatively low risk gamble to get one and try it. <https://www.ebay.com/p/1282481418?iid=234065274043> > But I fear that it requires a sort of miniPCI interface that modern > SSDs does not have. Can anyone confirm this or even better hint to a > compatible product? > > TIA > juh Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
old handicam movie camera and kino
Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, does not now work with kino, no remote controls. kino does recognize the device in it prefs and calls it by its name, a DCR-TRV460NTSC. What do I do to ident the error? It used to work with libraw1394, but that doesn't seem to be in the repo's now. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
old handicam movie camera and kino
Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, does not now work with kino, no remote controls. kino does recognize the device in it prefs and calls it by its name, a DCR-TRV460NTSC. What do I do to ident the error? It used to work with libraw1394, but that doesn't seem to be in the repo's now. I think I have everything else that kino uses, dvgrab, the rest of the 1394 stuff too, recognized in dmesg as /dev/fw0, but only at S100 speed. it S/B S400. Or was in 2004 when this camera was new. from dmesg: firewire_core :06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0 [21283.489871] firewire_core :06:00.0: phy config: new root=ffc1, gap_count=5 [21284.001594] firewire_core :06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0 [21284.094990] firewire_core :06:00.0: created device fw1: GUID 08004601044684e4, S100 [21286.593537] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node ffc0: reading config rom failed: bus reset [22027.880117] firewire_core :06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0 [22027.880131] firewire_core :06:00.0: phy config: new root=ffc1, gap_count=5 [22028.391961] firewire_core :06:00.0: rediscovered device fw0 [22028.482526] firewire_core :06:00.0: created device fw1: GUID 08004601044684e4, S100 [22031.047900] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node ffc0: reading config rom failed: bus reset Am I missing the cards driver or ?? greping lsmod for firewire gets: firewire_ohci 45056 0 firewire_core 81920 1 firewire_ohci crc_itu_t 16384 1 firewire_core Thanks for any advise dredged up from ancient memory. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: old handicam movie camera and kino
On Sunday 29 August 2021 03:33:22 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 09:25:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, does > > not now work with kino, no remote controls. > > [...] > > > [21286.593537] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node ffc0: > > reading config rom failed: bus reset > > No idea about firewire, but my brain extension [1] yields some > leads which sound half-promising. > > Cheers > [1] > https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=firewire_core+%22giving+up+on+node >%22+%22reading+config+rom+failed%22+%22bus+reset%22 - t Chased down some likely suspects, and got the camera controls working so I can see the wedding on the tape in kino. But if I try to unmute the audio, I get a steady stream of can't open /dev/dsp so I'm still missing an audio codec I think. Usual suspects? Probably alsa-something?. Thanks Tomas. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: old handicam movie camera and kino
On Sunday 29 August 2021 06:18:46 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 04:55:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 29 August 2021 03:33:22 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 09:25:40PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Did work 15 years ago, but despite a new PCI-E firewire card, > > > > does not now work with kino, no remote controls. > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > [21286.593537] firewire_core :06:00.0: giving up on node > > > > ffc0: reading config rom failed: bus reset > > > > > > No idea about firewire, but my brain extension [1] yields some > > > leads which sound half-promising. > > > > > > Cheers > > > [1] > > > https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q=firewire_core+%22giving+up+on+ > > >node %22+%22reading+config+rom+failed%22+%22bus+reset%22 - t > > > > Chased down some likely suspects, and got the camera controls > > working so I can see the wedding on the tape in kino. > > > > But if I try to unmute the audio, I get a steady stream of can't > > open /dev/dsp so I'm still missing an audio codec I think. > > Can't-open-permission-denied or can't-open-no-such-file-or-directory? > no such file. Thanks Tomas > Cheers > - t Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: old handicam movie camera and kino
On Sunday 29 August 2021 08:21:11 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:18:46PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 04:55:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > But if I try to unmute the audio, I get a steady stream of can't > > > open /dev/dsp so I'm still missing an audio codec I think. > > > > Can't-open-permission-denied or > > can't-open-no-such-file-or-directory? > > You're absolutely correct that Gene should try to get in the habit > of including *useful* information in his help requests. This includes > exact error messages. > > In this case, we can probably guess that he's missing the OSS > emulation layer. He's probably running something so incredibly old > that it *actually* still tries to use OSS -- thus the attempts to open > /dev/dsp. > > unicorn:~$ ls -l /dev/dsp > ls: cannot access '/dev/dsp': No such file or directory > > To solve that, he might try installing this guy: > > unicorn:~$ apt-cache search alsa dsp > alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applications > [...] That wasn't the magic twanger Greg. from the terminal kino was launched in: ALSA lib pcm.c:2495:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp Could not open ALSA device "/dev/dsp": No such file or directory thousands of them. Camera speaker is alive though. Thanks Greg. > I can't claim any personal experience with it, though. I don't know > what steps are required beyond installing the package. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Solved! Re: old handicam movie camera and kino
On Sunday 29 August 2021 10:16:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 09:56:43AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > That wasn't the magic twanger Greg. > > but he was up the right path. /dev/dsp is part of the (by now > archaeological) OSS sound interface. > > To make /dev/dsp "appear", you need a kernel module faking it. > > For me, "sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss" does that trick [1]. Catting > /etc/passwd to it actually produces some sound, albeit the accent > is a bit... slithery ;-) And was an endless machine gun until ctl+c'd here. cat should have ended at some point but I let it hammer for a good minute. Then sound in kino worked, quite well in fact. > Perhaps that'll do for you, perhaps you'll need additional modules. > > Proceed with fingers crossed. Works fine, thank you guys. > > Cheers > - t Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Solved! Re: old handicam movie camera and kino
On Sunday 29 August 2021 11:57:39 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 11:14:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 29 August 2021 10:16:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > > [...] Catting /etc/passwd to it actually produces some sound, > > > albeit the accent is a bit... slithery ;-) > > > > And was an endless machine gun until ctl+c'd here. cat should have > > ended at some point but I let it hammer for a good minute. > > You actually tried it :-o > I knew it was a test exersize that would produce gibberish at best from that file, and that it wuld prove the path worked. The surprising thing was that cat looped it endlessly. > I didn't expect anything meaningful out of it; just testing that > there's a path from /dev/dsp to the speakers. I was just too lazy to > find out which kind of sound format is digestible by /dev/dsp. > Funny, though, that it took so long for you. You must have a truly big > /etc/passwd... The usual stretch, I am the only user that bleeds if cut, living alone now, there are 3 or 4 others, "usefull idiots" playing in sandboxes they theroetically can't see out of. My web page is also this box, again playing in a sandbox so I have to jump thru hoops to update it. I set up iptables about 2 years back to stop the bots from mirroring it 2 or 3 times a day, burning up my upload bandwidth, and one of those bots now has a /8 on the end, and you just have to know who owns it. :) reads robots.txt, and then ignores it. > > Then sound in kino worked, quite well in fact. > > \o/ > > Glad it worked. > > Cheers > - t Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
html only email
Had better have a very interesting subjct line or it does not get read here. I have, for security reasons, told kmail to not show html, and to override that takes up to 5 mouse clicks. Plain text that gets past spamassassin and clamav, does get read 100%. So the choice as to whether or not your message is read, is up to you. If you choose to use a broken email agent, expect to be ignored. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: html only email
On Sunday 12 September 2021 07:59:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 06:59:35AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Had better have a very interesting subjct line or it does not get > > read here. I have, for security reasons, told kmail to not show > > html, and to override that takes up to 5 mouse clicks. > > And... > > instant black background for free! Actually, Tomas, I think that is a configuration choice I made years ago and havn't touched since as these old eyes like black text on white. Plus my kmail is 1.9 since its tde's r14.0.10 version. 99.9% of kde 3.5's bugs fixed. Stable. :-) > > ;-) > > Cheers > - t Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso
On Tuesday 14 September 2021 10:08:34 Brian wrote: > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 09:27:25 +, Sriram wrote: > > [...] Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye along > > with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably somewhere > > around 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce offline , > > there is no deb file for such GUI's. > > An xfce installation will pull in about 600 M of packages no matter > what you choose to do. Does this give some perspective? > > What I would consider is: > > 1. Skip installation of a desktop in d-i and finish the remainder of > the process. > > 2. Reboot, log in and create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs. > > 3. Edit this file to have > > Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true"; > >Packages should remain in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for you to > reuse. No futher downloading of xfce packages is now needed. You have > your own personal "ISO" at no extra cost to disk space or bandwidth. > > 4. And finally do > > apt install task-xfce-desktop This is interesting and I will likely do it when I install the debian-11.1-net-install I just burnt. But, I have installed 4, 1 terabyte samsung SSD's on a separate non-raid controller card which I intend to use as a software raid-6 or 10 after moving the current boot disk with stretch on it to be /dev/sdd, or even leaving it disconnected until 11.1 is installed. It has precious data on its platters. Those samsungs have not been configured for anything yet. They are seen ok but individually in dmesg. Looked at by gparted, but nothing written. So, can the installer handle the configuration of those into a bootable format all by itself? If not, what do I install and do to ready them before moving /dea/sda out of harms way and booting the 11.1 net-install iso? I can if needed, install a 60 or bigger Gig SSD as the /boot partition on the motherboard controller as /dev/sda if the software raid can't be booted from. So how do I best proceed? Thank you. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: mdadm RAID and the Bullseye installer
On Tuesday 14 September 2021 12:55:41 Dan Ritter wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > This is interesting and I will likely do it when I install the > > debian-11.1-net-install I just burnt. > > > > But, I have installed 4, 1 terabyte samsung SSD's on a separate > > non-raid controller card which I intend to use as a software raid-6 > > or 10 after moving the current boot disk with stretch on it to be > > /dev/sdd, or even leaving it disconnected until 11.1 is installed. > > It has precious data on its platters. > > > > Those samsungs have not been configured for anything yet. They are > > seen ok but individually in dmesg. Looked at by gparted, but nothing > > written. > > > > So, can the installer handle the configuration of those into a > > bootable format all by itself? > > Yes. The installer can assemble them into an mdadm-style RAID 10 > and GRUB can boot from that. > > -dsr- Thank you Dan. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso
On Tuesday 14 September 2021 13:11:08 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 11:49:02AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 14 September 2021 10:08:34 Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 09:27:25 +, Sriram wrote: > > > > [...] Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye > > > > along with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably > > > > somewhere around 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce > > > > offline , there is no deb file for such GUI's. > > > > > > An xfce installation will pull in about 600 M of packages no > > > matter what you choose to do. Does this give some perspective? > > > > > > What I would consider is: > > > > > > 1. Skip installation of a desktop in d-i and finish the remainder > > > of the process. > > > > > > 2. Reboot, log in and create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs. > > > > > > 3. Edit this file to have > > > > > > Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true"; > > > > > >Packages should remain in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for you to > > > reuse. No futher downloading of xfce packages is now needed. You > > > have your own personal "ISO" at no extra cost to disk space or > > > bandwidth. > > > > > > 4. And finally do > > > > > > apt install task-xfce-desktop > > > > This is interesting and I will likely do it when I install the > > debian-11.1-net-install I just burnt. > > > > But, I have installed 4, 1 terabyte samsung SSD's on a separate > > non-raid controller card which I intend to use as a software raid-6 > > or 10 after moving the current boot disk with stretch on it to be > > /dev/sdd, or even leaving it disconnected until 11.1 is installed. > > It has precious data on its platters. > > > > Those samsungs have not been configured for anything yet. They are > > seen ok but individually in dmesg. Looked at by gparted, but nothing > > written. > > > > So, can the installer handle the configuration of those into a > > bootable format all by itself? > > > > If not, what do I install and do to ready them before moving > > /dea/sda out of harms way and booting the 11.1 net-install iso? I > > can if needed, install a 60 or bigger Gig SSD as the /boot partition > > on the motherboard controller as /dev/sda if the software raid can't > > be booted from. > > As ever, it depends. Are you booting using UEFI? > > If so, then you'll need to allow the partitioner to configure an ESP > EFI system partition] which will allow the machine to store files for > booting. The rest can be set up using guided partitioning and mdadm. > If you're using Legacy/DOS booting - all bets are off. > > I'd be tempted to completely disconnect your stretch drive to do this > and then reconnect it just to copy dot files and ssh configs. > Essentially, stretch is gone and the likelihood of being able to use > configs directly is low - so keep it safe out of the way until you > want to copy precious data off it, at which point mount it under /mnt > or /media temporarily. > > If you have a spare 60G SSD, then you might want to use that as boot > and root filesystem anyway and let the partitioner create the RAID > system from four absolutely identically sized disks. > > One thing to watch out for in guided partitioning is that swap space > in a dedicated partition is now only 1GB by default. If you've got a > decent amount of memory, you may never hit swap anyway. I have 32G of dram, and 14G of swap now, but with a 17 day uptime, its under 2 megs in swap. I have huge buffers set in OpenSCAD. > I won't > trespass on your patience further but will be happy to help if needed. Good to know Andy IF I can get networking to survive the reboot. But my networking is host file based and usually goes away at reboot until properly configured again. So I kep a printed copy of all that stuff. There is not a functioning dhcp server here. Usually, proper routing is impossible until avahi and friends are lined up and have bloodied the wall behind them. Otherwise avahi insists on an non-functional 169.xx,xx,xx address for route and gateway. > All best, as ever, > > Andy Cater Thanks Andy. > > So how do I best proceed? > > > > Thank you. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: (unable to start a new discussion) Re: Can surf the internet, but not my home network...
On Friday 17 September 2021 04:46:20 Brian wrote: > On Thu 16 Sep 2021 at 21:48:55 -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:46:43 -0300 > > > > Dedeco Balaco wrote: > > > Why am i unable to start a new discussion? I have sent 4 messages! > > > They have one attachment that is less than 150KiB - so, they are > > > not considered big, for the list, right? > > > > I consider 150 KiB to be monstrous. > > > > Have you tried sending a short message with no attachment? > > Dedeco Balaco already has two short messages showing in this thread. > That indicates he has the ability to start a new discussion. > > However, a new discussion should be started in a *new* thread, not > plonked willy-nilly into an existing thread. This is the second time > recently that someone has done that. The first time it involved an > experienced user! > > To take this thread further off-topic: there can be a good reason to > send an attachment; for example, a log. Compression would reduce its > size and is advised. Likewise, a screenshot of a problem should be loaded into gimp, re-exported as a .jpg, compressed until the colors are all screwed up. Leaving the compression at 12% quality will get a 250k screen shot, which will be blocked but jpeg throws away color before it throws away edges of text characters. So if showing a screen full of text to show the error, smunch the daylights out of it, it will still be readable. Even then its uo to the filters to say yay or nay. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: (unable to start a new discussion) Re: Can surf the internet, but not my home network...
On Friday 17 September 2021 09:10:01 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > edges of text characters. So if showing a screen full of text to > > show the error, smunch the daylights out of it, it will still be > > readable. > > Whatever happened to the idea of citing the actual text rather than > using an (unreadable) image? > > > Stefan Beats hell outta me Stefan, but a copy/paste from a terminal screen beats ALL the other methods for compression. But that involves launching whatever from a terminal screen, requiring the user to actaully type the command. Oh the horrors... Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Debian 11: Nvidia NVS 310 with nvidia driver freezes after two days
On Monday 20 September 2021 11:58:02 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Mon Sep 20 08:42:33 2021 "Alexander V. Makartsev" > > > wrote: > > On 19.09.2021 16:22, Roger Price wrote: > >> My Nvidia NVS 310 card with the nvidia 390.144 driver starts off > >> perfectly, but after two days freezes: no reaction to keyboard or > >> mouse action. > > > > Have you tried to run some benchmarks to force the issue? By doing > > that you could reveal some potential problem with inadequate > > cooling or problems of electrical nature. > > It is quite old hardware so it is hard to tell for sure. There > > could be myriad reasons why it freezes, ranging from faulty > > capacitors on motherboard and VGA to a faulty PSU. > > I was having similar problems with an old nVidia card (GeForce 630). > A friend gave me an ATI card to try. Although I never did get his > card to work, I did discover that my old card was in rough shape > physically. The fan had broken down, and the cooling fins on the > heat sink were full of dust bunnies. There wasn't much I could do > for the fan, but I gave the heat sink a thorough cleaning and put > the card back in. It's been running for over a week now with no > problems, where before it was locking up every day or two. > Fans can be replaced, there are vendors on ebay selling better quality replacements if you shop carefully. > >> I still have nouveau present. dpkg-query -l | grep nouveau > >> reports: ii libdrm-nouveau2:amd64 2.4.104-1 amd64 Userspace > >> interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime > >> ii xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:1.0.17-1 amd64 X.Org X server -- > >> Nouveau display driver > > > > Doesn't matter if you have 'nouveau' installed, since proprietary > > nvidia driver blacklists it for you upon installation. > > On earlier versions of Debian (I'm currently running Buster), > I was having trouble with the nouveau driver locking up. > Replacing it with nVidia's proprietary driver corrected > that problem, so I've been wary of nouveau ever since. > But if your graphics card overheats, it doesn't matter > which driver you're running. :-) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: The future of computing.
On Wednesday 22 September 2021 20:58:14 Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2021 22 Sep 16:14 -0500, harrywea...@tutanota.com wrote: > > For those with an interest: > > > > https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/5204765206263907088 > > Hmmm, as a radio amateur when I see QST, I immediately think of the > membership journal of the American Radio Relay League which has been > published since 1915 with a two year break for the Great War from 1917 > to 1919. > > Maybe IBM bought the rights to the name! > > - Nate Or the ARRL forgot to renew the copyright. Copyrights were originally issued for a period of 7 years, renewable once for an additional 7 years. Along comes Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse, and Walt had money enough to get the law changed so we have the current never expires situation by including corporations such as Disney in it definitions of authors. If its ever been renewed. But the law today gives me automatic copyright over what I write without additional public notice, I think for 90 years after I die. There is something wrong with this picture. 14 years was considered as the author having milked his writings for 99% of all they would ever generate in income. IMNSHO it (the original version) is still a good idea. Stealing an individuals creativity, and his rewards for being creative by awarding the copyright to a corporation, is theft pure and simple, and should become somebody lined up against the wall for 3rd offence grand larceny. But today, we'ed need Trumps incompleted wall to maybe have enough wall. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: The future of computing.
On Wednesday 22 September 2021 22:23:29 Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 9:13 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > There is something wrong with this picture. 14 years was considered > > as the author having milked his writings for 99% of all they would > > ever generate in income. IMNSHO it (the original version) is still a > > good idea. Stealing an individuals creativity, and his rewards for > > being creative by awarding the copyright to a corporation, is theft > > pure and simple, > > Centuries ago a philosopher wrote: Behind every great fortune lies an > equally great crime. In America too I'm afraid. > We have no patent on it. > and should become somebody lined up against the wall for 3rd > > > offence grand larceny. But today, we'ed need Trumps incompleted wall > > to maybe have enough wall. > > No there aren't that many millionaires and billionaires and They > make sure of it. > This is true, but I'd also include the mba's who's major lesson to those billionaires is its ok to do it if you don't get caught. And buy them off or do away with the witnesses if you do get caught. Jeffery E. got caught but he was not the king pin, just the disposable front man. Same game continues, new address & phone number. > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > -- Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: OT: Copyrights and patents (was: Re: The future of computing.)
On Thursday 23 September 2021 07:22:17 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:12:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Or the ARRL forgot to renew the copyright. Copyrights were > > originally issued for a period of 7 years, renewable once for an > > additional 7 years. > > Hmm, without looking it up, I thought the 7/7 years was for patents, > and copyright was a little different (maybe like 13/13?)? (But Gene > probably remembers better than I do.) Debatable, mine will be 87 in a few days, but I didn't get political in my thinking until I could vote. But before I voted, I felt strong enough about the honest man that took my mother and her baby on with without ever having enough money to adopt me as Iowa made that a very expensive process, so on turning 21 I turned that respect into changing my last name to match his. That I could do for a $20 bill. He is now long gone, but has great, great, great grandkids wearing his name. > > Along comes Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse, and Walt had money > > enough to get the law changed so we have the current never expires > > situation by including corporations such as Disney in it definitions > > of authors. If its ever been renewed. But the law today gives me > > automatic copyright over what I write without additional public > > notice, I think for 90 years after I die. > > Something like that, but doesn't sound quite right (wish I had a > better memory). Previously copyrighted works are coming into the > "public domain" year by year, about 95 years after -- oh, maybe it is > after the author's death? Something like that. The point I was trying to make is that today, the law is for sale to the highest bidder. It is no longer "of the people, by the people, for the people". One of the reasons I like debian, they have set a set of principles and are sticking to them far better than today's version of the Republic the founders envisioned in the late 1700's. > Maybe there is an alternate path to > copyright expiring? Not sure how it works if a corporation owns a > copyright -- I don't think it is perpetual. > > And, at least some of the relevant laws differ by nation. > > > There is something wrong with this picture. 14 years was considered > > as the author having milked his writings for 99% of all they would > > ever generate in income. IMNSHO it (the original version) is still a > > good idea. Stealing an individuals creativity, and his rewards for > > being creative by awarding the copyright to a corporation, is theft > > pure and simple, > > Hmm, I don't think the copyright law nor the government award the > copyright to a corporation. If a corporation gets a copyright (or > patent) that is based on some explicit contractual or implicit (like > the "work for hire" doctrine) agreement > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett Anyway, this is off-topic for this list, and I should apologize for bringing up what has been for me, a very sore subject. So, last post. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Proprietary USB Drivers; Ya Gotta' Love'em.
On Saturday 25 September 2021 14:11:30 Martin McCormick wrote: > Charles Curley writes: > > Possibly a known kernel bug. > > > > https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/538695-USB-driver-Zero-Le > >ngth-Descriptor > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/1507709452-31260-1-git-send-email-msala > >u...@iotecha.com/ > > > > -- > > Does anybody read signatures any more? > > > > https://charlescurley.com > > https://charlescurley.com/blog/ > > Thank you. That's got to be it. I've been doing debian Linux since > right around 2000 but I must admit that I don't know the easiest > way to include the patch referenced in the second link. > > I will need to do that on an i86 box plus the Raspberry Pi > I first discovered the issue on since I am apt to have the radio > connected to either system and, if this problem is fixable, this > solution is preferable because the radio defaults to using the > usbC port as the serial port so it should still work if a full > reset is ever needed and the mechanism for usb should naturally > accept as many different devices as practical because you never > know what you will need to connect until you try it and it fails. > > As an amusing aside, the radio has a usb mode, but > that's totally unrelated because in that case, USB stands for > upper side band and is a very energy-efficient method of radio > communication because it is only a spectrum of frequencies > consisting of the sidebands of an audio signal without the > carrier. It can be LSB or lower side band or USB for upper side > band. Nothing like a few new acronyms for your day. I guess that's > TMI. You forgot to mention it can get the message thru better because it has a 12 db advantage over competing noise compared to the original AM, sometimes called Ancient Mary in our circles. > Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
Greetings all; With the man markup subtracted, so what we save is exactly what we see. Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 12:34:16 Larry Martell wrote: man -t /path/to/man/file >file.txt groff -mandoc /path/to/man/file > file.txt, both quadrupled the size with lots more markup. Not what I want obviously. Thanks Larry. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 12:43:00 Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 10/1/21, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > With the man markup subtracted, so what we save is exactly what we > > see. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > > Hi, Gene. I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly, but.. I do this > (am using the LILO package as an example): > > man lilo > manLILO > > I just tested it to make sure first. Mine here looks exactly like the > terminal version when that manLILO file is viewed in Mousepad (XFE4's > text editor). That still prints all the useful "SEE ALSO", last date > edited, and e.g. "LILO(8) leads that appear at the bottom, too. > > Others here sometimes do something a little fancier than only that ">" > (greater than sign), but I can't remember what it is nor if it applies > to something as straight forward as this one. > > Cindy :) did exactly what I wanted it to do. Thank you Cindy. ;o) Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 13:58:20 Lee wrote: > On 10/1/21, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > With the man markup subtracted, so what we save is exactly what we > > see. > > Try the "--ascii" option - eg > man --ascii man > /tmp/man.txt > > Regards, > Lee Cindy's suggestion worked. Thanks Lee. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 15:47:18 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 12:24:50PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > With the man markup subtracted, so what we save is exactly what we > > see. > > If you want to reproduce what you see when you type "man bash" (just > as an example), you would need to *retain* the "man markup", not > subtract it. So, right off the bat, the question is confusing me. > > What is it you're actually trying to do here? Do you want to store > Debian's man pages in files, move them to another platform (say, > Microsoft Windows) and view them there? > > If you're not moving the files across systems, then I don't see the > point. If you want to see the same result again, just run "man bash" > again. Yes? The man page isn't going anywhere. > I'm tryting to configure the .hal file in linuxcnc, so loading the uncompressed file into geany and printing it, prints all the markup too, and any of that in a .hal file is a showstopper syntax error. I need to type it into the .hal file exactly as I see it onscreen. I thought I was doing that, Greg, when I said I wanted a file identical to what I see on screen when man has processed the manfile to show the onscrren text. Processing removes around 600 bytes. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 17:01:56 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 04:59:25PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 01 October 2021 12:34:16 Larry Martell wrote: > > > > man -t /path/to/man/file >file.txt > > groff -mandoc /path/to/man/file > file.txt, both quadrupled the size > > with lots more markup. > > > > Not what I want obviously. > > There is nothing obvious here. What do you want? Why? What are you > going to do with the resulting file(s)? What I wanted on dead tree, was exactly what I see on screen. With the manpage markup gobbled up, leaving only the text I see on screen when I type man 9 filename. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 17:17:53 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 05:05:44PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 01 October 2021 12:43:00 Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > > > man lilo > manLILO > > > > did exactly what I wanted it to do. Thank you Cindy. ;o) > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 05:07:37PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 01 October 2021 13:58:20 Lee wrote: > > > man --ascii man > /tmp/man.txt > > > > Cindy's suggestion worked. Thanks Lee. > > *sigh* > > Do you know how frustrating this is? > > "Hey guys, I want a thing. I won't give any useful details, though. > Just make this thing for me. I want you all to guess what I want, and > I'll look through the answers, and pick the one I like the most. > You're all going to be my personal army of monkeys typing on the > keyboards. One of you will produce Shakespeare for me." > > > Even now, after you've declared a winner, we can still only *guess* > what the contest rules were. > > And the decision is nonsensical, because you've declared one winner > (Cindy) when the second-place runner up (Lee) gave a command that > gives *exactly* the same result as Cindy's command. > > unicorn:~$ man ls > manls > unicorn:~$ man --ascii ls > manls2 > unicorn:~$ ls -l manls manls2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 8299 Oct 1 17:09 manls > -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 8299 Oct 1 17:10 manls2 > unicorn:~$ cmp manls manls2 > unicorn:~$ > > > We still don't know why you want this. I guess we'll never know. We apparently don't speak the same dialect of english Greg. I wanted a dead tree (aka paper) copy of a manpage, with ALL the markup totally stripped. As for Lee's suggestion, I didn't try it since Cindy's example worked perfectly and by the time I read Lee's msg, I had what I needed on the output tray of my huge printer. No reflection on Lee was intended. Still isn't. Thanks Greg. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 20:44:41 Fred wrote: > On 10/1/21 1:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 01 October 2021 12:34:16 Larry Martell wrote: > > > > man -t /path/to/man/file >file.txt > > groff -mandoc /path/to/man/file > file.txt, both quadrupled the size > > with lots more markup. > > > > Not what I want obviously. > > > > Thanks Larry. > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > > man command | col -b > command.txt > > Best regards, > Fred works fine, thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 20:53:26 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 05:44:41PM -0700, Fred wrote: > > man command | col -b > command.txt > > Curious. > > unicorn:~$ man ls > ls1 > unicorn:~$ man ls | col -b > ls2 > unicorn:~$ ls -l ls1 ls2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 8299 Oct 1 20:49 ls1 > -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 7745 Oct 1 20:49 ls2 > > Glancing at the diff -u between the two files, most of the changes > appear to be whitespace related. > > Opening them both in vim, the second one has a bunch of literal tab > characters, whereas the first one has no tabs at all -- only spaces. > > So I guess most (or all?) of the size reduction is groups of spaces > being replaced by tabs. The manpage is jogaxisget.9. and they look very close to identical, but an ls -l shows: -rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi1321 Oct 2 05:38 jogaxisget.text -rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi1580 Oct 1 17:00 jogaxisget.txt either one will do. even for copy/paste as hal treats tabs the same as spaces and reads of past looking for the text. Thank you everybody, problem solved. Now to figure out what to hook it up to in a 700+ l.o.c. file containing at least 5000 signal names. TL;DR unless interested in cnc machinery The hookup syntax is : net netname output-1 [output-2] etc etc and there is not an example line to show how its hooked up to achieve the desired logic outputs in the manpage. Only the invocation lines are given. This is what I wanted: JOGAXISGET(9) HAL Component JOGAXISGET(9) NAME jogaxisget - determines which axis jogging SYNOPSIS loadrt jogaxisget [count=N|names=name1[,name2...]] FUNCTIONS jogaxisget.N (requires a floating-point thread) PINS jogaxisget.N.Xin0 bit in axis.x.kb-jog-active <-- (edited in) example signal name jogaxisget.N.Xin1 bit in jogaxisget.N.Yin0 bit in axis.y.kb-jog-active jogaxisget.N.Yin1 bit in jogaxisget.N.Zin0 bit in axis.z.kb-jog-active jogaxisget.N.Zin1 bit in jogaxisget.N.Ain0 bit in axis.a.kb-jog-active jogaxisget.N.Ain1 bit in jogaxisget.N.Xtrigger bit out jogaxisget.N.Ytrigger bit out jogaxisget.N.Ztrigger bit out jogaxisget.N.Atrigger bit out jogaxisget.N.activeX bit out jogaxisget.N.activeY bit out jogaxisget.N.activeZ bit out jogaxisget.N.activeA bit out jogaxisget.N.Xverify bit in (default: FALSE) axisui.Xisactive jogaxisget.N.Yverify bit in (default: FALSE) axisui.Yisactive jogaxisget.N.Zverify bit in (default: FALSE) axisui.Zisactive jogaxisget.N.Averify bit in (default: FALSE) axisui.Aisactive LICENSE GPL LinuxCNC Documentation 2021-09-30 JOGAXISGET(9) The idea is to keep a gui's radio buttons up to date with what the machine is doing, when signals external to the gui ae used to move the machine, in this case a pair of encoder dials that function like the hand cranks on a manual machine when it has been converted to cnc control. With a per click distance ranging from .0001 inches to 20 thousanths per click. All this extra is unique to my machine, I wrote it. The dials I have added are very handy when one is finding the positions to start a machining operation from, but at present, applying a touch-off to establish that point does not update the gui's radio buttons, so you find a point, and blindly apply the touch-off, only to discover the touch-off has been applied to the wrong axis because the radio buttons have not been updated by moving the machine with the dials. This logic module is designed to act the same as a keyboard jog, which does update the gui's radio buttons. But its up to me to find the right signals to tie together to adhieve that, as they are mutually exclusive, only one can be TRUE at a time, the most recent. For a lathe, which only has 2 axis's only X and Z pins will be used, but for a mill at least 3 need to be "hooked" up. But both of my mills have 4 asises, and could have as many as 9. And since this module was written the "axis" and "joints" have been divorced for increased versatility, so the the subnames on the 2nd line are now duff and the new names will have to be found by experimentation. And I'm the first to use this module, so I get to write the translation rules. Since N=69! is the largest that a ti calculator can handle, fun it won't be, cuz N is well north of 1000 in this case. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Friday 01 October 2021 22:52:59 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 01 Oct 2021 at 20:53:26 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 05:44:41PM -0700, Fred wrote: > > > man command | col -b > command.txt > > > > Curious. > > > > unicorn:~$ man ls > ls1 > > unicorn:~$ man ls | col -b > ls2 > > unicorn:~$ ls -l ls1 ls2 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 8299 Oct 1 20:49 ls1 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 7745 Oct 1 20:49 ls2 > > > > Glancing at the diff -u between the two files, most of the changes > > appear to be whitespace related. > > > > Opening them both in vim, the second one has a bunch of literal tab > > characters, whereas the first one has no tabs at all -- only spaces. > > > > So I guess most (or all?) of the size reduction is groups of spaces > > being replaced by tabs. > > Yes, diff -ubw will confirm that whitespace is the only difference. > I'm too lazy to check that the /apparently/ significant differences > shown by diff and diff -u are merely caused by the left-margin offset, > which makes TABs skip to different columns from those intended. > > Like others, I tried to guess what Gene really wanted (I can barely > believe the answer) and to come up with a suitable method. I also > tried out others' suggestions. We don't know what the mysterious > man 9 actually is (unless there's a well-known command named "9"), > so I used man man and man bash¹. There is a well known man 9 command, it means to save man the trouble of searching the whole database, as there might be duplicate names to confuse the issue, but it this case look in man/man9 for the requested manpage. Sheesh, doesn't anyone read manpages anymore? :o) [...] Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Saturday 02 October 2021 07:45:07 Eric S Fraga wrote: > man pages are written in troff/nroff (which can be compiled using > groff) using the man style. You can do the following, for instance: > > gunzip -c /usr/share/man/man1/chmod.1.gz | groff -man | lp > > (or replace "lp" with "gv -" to see on screen). > > Replace chmod with specific command and note that there is a different > folder for each section of the Unix manual, man1 being for commands, > man2 for system libraries, ... > > troff is how us old-timers used to write before LaTeX took over. I > did my PhD in troff many moon ago on BSD Unix and then SunOS. > Testament to the quality of the software: I can still generate a PDF > of my thesis now after more than 30 years since I wrote it. Try that > in Word... ;-) And in 3 decades, word will have destroyed it 30 times (or more) :( Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Saturday 02 October 2021 11:13:09 Brian wrote: > On Fri 01 Oct 2021 at 17:32:37 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 01 October 2021 17:17:53 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [...] > > > > We still don't know why you want this. I guess we'll never know. > > > > We apparently don't speak the same dialect of english Greg. I wanted > > a dead tree (aka paper) copy of a manpage, with ALL the markup > > totally stripped. As for Lee's suggestion, I didn't try it since > > Cindy's example worked perfectly and by the time I read Lee's msg, I > > had what I needed on the output tray of my huge printer. No > > reflection on Lee was intended. Still isn't. > > Nitpicking time :). True. TBT, the use of bold was not something these old eyes considered. > You specified "...so what we save is exactly what > we see." Neither Cindy Sue Cause's mor Lee's give *exactly* what is > seen onscreen. If bolded headings are unwanted, either method gives a > nice text file to print. Yes, I should have more precisely stated "text". :( Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen
On Saturday 02 October 2021 16:02:52 Brian wrote: > On Sat 02 Oct 2021 at 15:43:33 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 02 October 2021 11:13:09 Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 01 Oct 2021 at 17:32:37 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Friday 01 October 2021 17:17:53 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > We still don't know why you want this. I guess we'll never > > > > > know. > > > > > > > > We apparently don't speak the same dialect of english Greg. I > > > > wanted a dead tree (aka paper) copy of a manpage, with ALL the > > > > markup totally stripped. As for Lee's suggestion, I didn't try > > > > it since Cindy's example worked perfectly and by the time I read > > > > Lee's msg, I had what I needed on the output tray of my huge > > > > printer. No reflection on Lee was intended. Still isn't. > > > > > > Nitpicking time :). > > > > True. TBT, the use of bold was not something these old eyes > > considered. > > > > > You specified "...so what we save is exactly what > > > we see." Neither Cindy Sue Cause's mor Lee's give *exactly* what > > > is seen onscreen. If bolded headings are unwanted, either method > > > gives a nice text file to print. > > > > Yes, I should have more precisely stated "text". :( > > A very reasonable respose. Your eyes may be deteriorating but there is > nothing amaiss with your intellect. Thats holding up fairly well, tested at 147 in the 7nth grade, made my living in electroncs since I quit school in the 9th grade and went to work fixing what was then a new toy called a tv, and finished off my working years as the chief engineer and the often only tech at a local tv station for 18+ years. Been retired for 19 years with enough to support my hobbies. That pulmonary embolism did cost me a few points though. That eyesight loss unfortunately is slowly happening despite the daily intake of a 40 milligram dose of lutien daily for the last 35 or so years, trying to stave off going blind because I was declared diabetic type 2 about that many years ago. Macular degeneration, where I have dark spots dead center in the dark of the moon are beginning to be noticeable. OTOH, I'll be 87 Monday, so I don't imagine it would be good to complain too loudly. I guess I'm a survivor, or he isn't ready for me yet, I have surived a pulmonary embolism that kills >98% 8 years ago, my heart has had a couple attacks, a replacement valve, some stents and a pacemaker that keeps it running at about 30% effficiency, so I tire more easily than 40 years ago. But other than the aches & pains that seem to go with the years, I actually feel pretty good yet. Currently digging out a bush that found some growth hormones in the back yard, it was 20 feet across and nearly 20 feet high when I first decided it had to go as it was damaging the house, but I'll have to get a backhoe in to finish that, and replacing about 170 feet of split rail fencing around the lower third of my place with vinyl cuz I'm tired of replaceing the split rail every 10 years and its due again. Posts rotting off at ground level. Rails breaking of their own weight etc. The vinyl should outlast me. Got around 50 feet to go. Anybody wanna help? I pay well, in cash. Take care now Brian, and the rest of you who helped. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Then it happened to me...
On Sunday 10 October 2021 06:36:32 Reco wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 08:33:03AM +0100, piorunz wrote: > > On 08/10/2021 18:10, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > I've just set postfix to drop anything from that host at SMTP > > > time, but I doubt it's going to work. I think they've found a > > > cannon to annoy debian-user subscribers with. > > > > Why we don't have this? > > https://forum.manjaro.org/ > > Maybe because there's [1]. There should be also IRC at libera.chat, > and that strange gizmo at [2]. > [1] is also superior to Discourse that Manjaro is using as [1] can be > viewed without enabled Javascript. > > You're free to convince list denizens to move elsewhere, there were > such efforts in the past. Where're still here btw. > > > We still use e-mail list, prone to spam, and abuse > > Once one uses own MTA, such issues are dealt quickly, simply, and most > importantly - permanently. > Consider it a hint. GMX is good, but not that good. > > > technology from 30 years ago? > > In other news, people are still using a wheel which was invented about > 6000 years ago (4500 BC if Wikipedia is to be believed). Some things > just get better with age. > And nothing beats federated communication system which works. There's > no reasonable alternative to SMTP yet. > > > Isn't it time to switch to online forums? > > Different way of communicating attracts different communities. I'm > sure there's lively one at [1]. > > > It's not that Debian haven't got the money, right? > > Where I'm living counting others' money is considered rude at best. > But I know a way - join Debian project, become Debian Developer, and > raise a General Resolution about Discourse. > > Reco > > [1] https://forums.debian.net/ I have to hit ctl+ quite a few times to get it readable. Then the python 3 questions were all too obvious. > [2] https://discourse.debian.org/ This does not resolve. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Mouse left button acts really strange
On Sunday 10 October 2021 09:52:40 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > On Sat, 9 Oct 2021, at 19:52, sp...@caiway.net wrote: > > I really like Logitech mouses (fast scrolling!), but when used often > > they break each one/two year. > > I use my mice almost always in bed, with the mouse either on top > of the duvet or running around under it on the sheet. (The laptop > is on an overbed table.) > > What kills them most often is me forgetting where they are and > getting out of bed causing the mouse to fly off the bed where it > often collides with a bookcase (or worse) the metal frame of the > overbed table. > > The poor mice expire traumatically, not even managing to call for > help. No SQUEAK! Just a thud. The most common failure is the solder joints on the bottom of the boards under the swithes. That wave soldering process demands that the switches be held solidly to the board, not floating 1 to 10 thou up it the air. The solder is many times heavier than the switch so if not solidly held down while the solder wave goes by, they will float just a hair, leaving an air gap between the board and the bottom of the switch. This air gap is closed by the finger pressing the button, which gradually loosens the grip of the glue holding the copper to the bottom of the board and eventually cracking the solder joint, leading to a quick double click effect from the switch closing in response to the finger, then a break as the crack opens, followed by a second click as the finger lifts again and the crack closes, then the switch opens again, giving a double click where the finger made but one push. Those of us that have a hot soldering iron grafted to a hand can fix that, but we're often considered rare birds to be avoided by the girls lest the geekiness is catching. Some of us are even CET's, but that card, laid on the HR desk has gotten me every job I ever wanted, some quite lucrative. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
A .profile puzzle
Greetings all; The local electrical system, while better than Haiti's is getting to be a nuisance with 5 second power failures about weekly, or is that weakly? Most of my machines are running a 64 bit buster with a preempt-rt kernel. I made some mods to a 3d printer project in openscad last week, printed it, but forgot to save it. So I lost it when the latest failure rebooted that machine. A procedure I had long since committed to muscle memory now requires I be root to do what I've been doing as me for the last year, so I have now reprinted that after reinventing it, 4 times, w/o changing the printout, after the latest failure I have to be root to mount the card from the printer, I have to be root to overwrite the resliced file to the printers SD card, root to do it all. But mc now goes thru the motions as me, without telling me it doesn't have permission to overwrite that file. What the heck? 2 things really. 1. Before the latest failure I could do all this as me because the mount point for the card is in my home directory, I own it all. And didn't have to be root to do any of it. This was not fixed by a 2nd reboot. 2. and another pesky thing is starting a konsole to do work, needs a $PATH modification that we used to put in ~.profile. But opening a terminal hasn't called a ". .profile" since about jessie. So thats another PITA. So, what has replaced .profile as the function for such as that in recent releases? Thank you. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: A .profile puzzle
On Sunday 17 October 2021 12:35:01 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > 1. Before the latest failure I could do all this as me because the > > mount point for the card is in my home directory, I own it all. And > > didn't have to be root to do any of it. This was not fixed by a 2nd > > reboot. > > I guess this problem is not related to the .profile issue you are > having below. Agreed. > Check the permissions on the mount point done, I still own it. > and the fstab its not in fstab, never was. I touched a file in home/gene/Downloads/3dp.stf named sdb1 to create a mount I didn't have to search thru /media to access. Up until this 5 second power failure, I could, as me, mount that SD card there, and use mc, as me, to overwrite a file on that card, then sync; eject sdb1. Led on card adapter goes out, pull the card, take it back to the printer and select and print the updated file. Now I have to be root to do any of it except the printer. The card is vfat, which has no concept of file ownership. > and also your > group membership. gene@dddprint:~/AppImages$ cat /etc/group|grep gene dialout:x:20:gene cdrom:x:24:gene sudo:x:27:gene audio:x:29:pulse,gene video:x:44:gene gene:x:1000: Nothing changed there in months. > The SD card might also need a fsck. by whose fsck? > > 2. and another pesky thing is starting a konsole to do work, needs a > > $PATH modification that we used to put in ~.profile. But opening a > > terminal hasn't called a ". .profile" since about jessie. So thats > > another PITA. > > > > So, what has replaced .profile as the function for such as that in > > recent releases? > > AFAIK bash is not reading profile when you login, but not sure - it > could be also that it is not a login shell. XFCe login, I think. I only see it once on that machine. logging in remotely with "ssh -Y machine-name" or 'user1000'@machine-name is how I generally run things from a comfy chair. > AFAIK you should open the terminal with "bash --login" to read the > profile. So try in the terminal "bash --login" Done, but no change in the $PATH. But it did take two ctl-d's to exit it. > I have put in my .profile > > alias bash='bash --login' > > long time ago Thank you deloptes. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: A .profile puzzle
On Sunday 17 October 2021 12:39:50 Dan Ritter wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > The local electrical system, while better than Haiti's is getting to > > be a nuisance with 5 second power failures about weekly, or is that > > weakly? > > That's a great case for a UPS... > Yup, but thats 4 more of them. Is anybody hving a real sale? > > 1. Before the latest failure I could do all this as me because the > > mount point for the card is in my home directory, I own it all. And > > didn't have to be root to do any of it. This was not fixed by a 2nd > > reboot. > > Are you mounting via /etc/fstab? If so, show us the line. nope, command line, as me, until this reboot. > > 2. and another pesky thing is starting a konsole to do work, needs a > > $PATH modification that we used to put in ~.profile. But opening a > > terminal hasn't called a ". .profile" since about jessie. So thats > > another PITA. > > > > So, what has replaced .profile as the function for such as that in > > recent releases? > > I'm guessing that your shell is /bin/sh. That used to be bash, > but now it's dash. I can't find an About for that one, its whatever xfce uses. > You could make your own shell bash -- just run chsh and log out, > then come back in again. > > Note that .profile is supposed to be read only by a login > shell, whereas .bashrc will be read by every interactive shell. > Here's the chunk of man bash: > >When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a > non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first reads and > executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. > After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, > and ~/.profile, in that or der, and reads and executes commands from > the first one that exists and is readable. The --noprofile option may > be used when the shell is started to inhibit this behavior. I have tried putting that path stuff in .bashrc, but that fails too. > When an interactive login shell exits, or a non-interactive > login shell executes the exit builtin command, bash reads and > executes commands from the file ~/.bash_logout, if it exists. > > When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is > started, bash reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc and > ~/.bashrc, if these files exist. This may be inhibited by using the > --norc option. The --rcfile file option will force bash to read and > execute commands from file instead of /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc. > > When bash is started non-interactively, to run a shell script, > for example, it looks for the variable BASH_ENV in the environment, > expands its value if it appears there, and uses the expanded value > as the name of a file to read and execute. Bash behaves as if the > following command were executed: if [ -n "$BASH_ENV" ]; then . > "$BASH_ENV"; fi but the value of the PATH variable is not used to > search for the filename. > > > -dsr- Thanks Dan. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: A .profile puzzle
On Sunday 17 October 2021 14:09:23 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 06:35:01PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > > > 2. and another pesky thing is starting a konsole to do work, needs > > > a $PATH modification that we used to put in ~.profile. But opening > > > a terminal hasn't called a ". .profile" since about jessie. So > > > thats another PITA. > > > > > > So, what has replaced .profile as the function for such as that in > > > recent releases? > > > > AFAIK bash is not reading profile when you login, but not sure - it > > could be also that it is not a login shell. > > AFAIK you should open the terminal with "bash --login" to read the > > profile. So try in the terminal "bash --login" > > > > I have put in my .profile > > > > alias bash='bash --login' > > > > long time ago > > OK, first thing first: that alias won't do *anything* useful. If Gene > is talking about starting a terminal from his window manager or > desktop environment, that terminal is going to run $SHELL which is > /bin/bash. It will not look at his aliases, no matter where they're > defined. It's just going to run bash. Not "bash --login". > > Now let's step back a bit. > > When you run an instance of a shell, there are two ways you can do it. > You either run a "login shell", or a "non-login shell". > > The purpose of a login shell is to be executed when you login. That's > the original intent. Back in the 70s and 80s, there was no such thing > as a "desktop". There was just the shell. You logged in by > connecting your terminal or your modem to the host system, and getting > a textual prompt. After authentication, you were "logged in", and the > system would run your account's shell with a "-" character in front of > it. This is the ancient way that your system said "this should be a > login shell, not a regular shell". > > It looks like this: > > unicorn:~$ ps -ft tty1 > UID PIDPPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD > root 699 1 0 Oct09 tty1 00:00:00 /bin/login -p -- > greg 851 699 0 Oct09 tty1 00:00:00 -bash > greg 863 851 0 Oct09 tty1 00:00:00 /bin/sh > /usr/bin/startx [...] > > See where it says "-bash"? That's my login shell. > > The purpose of having a "login shell" and a "regular shell" is because > you probably have some things that you need to do once per session, > when you login. Like, setting up your environment variables. Or > printing today's calendar, or today's message from the administration. > All of those things are unnecessary in a regular shell. The > environment is already set up, and you've already seen today's > calendar or whatever. > > Any other time you started a shell, it would not have a "-" in front > of its name, so it would be a regular shell. This included shell > escapes from your text editor or mail reader or news reader or pager. > Any time you escaped to a new shell from inside your editor, you > didn't need to go through all the gyrations that a login shell did. > You don't want to see the calendar again, etc. > > A decade or two later, some people developed a windowing system. > > In this windowing system, there's a terminal emulator. Normally when > you run a terminal emulator, you run a shell inside it. (Not always, > but usually.) This shell doesn't need to be a login shell. You're > probably going to open half a dozen terminal emulators with shells in > them, maybe more. You don't need to run the day's calendar, or set up > the session environment, in every single terminal. All of that has > been taken care of already. (Right?) > > So, in an X terminal emulator, you normally run a NON-login shell. > Just a regular shell. > > That's how it's supposed to work. > > However. > > Some people found that they had a really hard time getting their > initial environment set up during their X logins. This was common > among newbies especially, because they didn't understand the new login > procedure, and had no idea how to customize it. > > And where did we have a shit-load of Unix newbies? Universities. > > So, in the world of academia, there is a whole different paradigm. In > this world, where everyone is expected to be incompetent, the old way > of setting up your environment one time and inheriting it in every > shell... that doesn't work. > > In the newbie-centric environment, where
Re: A .profile puzzle
On Sunday 17 October 2021 15:45:36 songbird wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 17 October 2021 12:39:50 Dan Ritter wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > The local electrical system, while better than Haiti's is getting > >> > to be a nuisance with 5 second power failures about weekly, or is > >> > that weakly? > >> > >> That's a great case for a UPS... > > > > Yup, but thats 4 more of them. Is anybody hving a real sale? > > no, you buy one for the whole place and put it on tha main > panel. Thanks for the idea, but I have not seen one big enough to handle this place for the 6 or 7 seconds it takes for the 20kw generac to start. My now departed wife had COPD and needed non-stop oxygen toward the end, so I installed the generac about 8 or 9 years ago. It would take a 1500WA to handle the 2 machines in the garage plus a 1000WA in the shop building, and another 1000WA for the machine driving my 3d printers. They only make them whole house sized on bids, bring money in wheelborrows. I do reserve the right to bitch about the lack of timely maintenance as I will have to put up with this BS for a year before they'll replace the contacts in the substations voltage regulator. BTDT, several times in the 31+ years I've been here. So you could say I've been to this particular rodeo before. > i only have a small one here for my PC and a light, but it > has paid for itself many times over already in not having > random power outages take me down and mess things up. normally > when a storm comes through i turn off the PC anyways because > i really don't want to have things fried (even if i do have > the UPS and surge protection). i can do something else for > a while. > > if i were running large expensive equipment i'd surely have > some UPS and surge protection for those. if only just enough > to get them to shut down without destroying the work in > progress (or themselves). > > > songbird Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: A .profile puzzle
On Sunday 17 October 2021 21:15:21 Douglas McGarrett wrote: > On 10/17/21 8:38 PM, David Christensen wrote: > > On 10/17/21 2:12 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>> normally when a storm comes through i turn off the PC anyways > >>> because I really don't want to have things fried (even if i do > >>> have the UPS and surge protection). > >> > >> Hmmm does turning them off make any difference w.r.t a surge large > >> enough to pass through the surge suppression? > >> > >> I thought the only effective way to make a difference is to > >> *unplug* them. > > > > +1 if you service is overhead and your concern is lightning strikes. > > > > > > David > > You should unplug the charger to the laptop from the AC line AND > from the laptop, and don't forget to disconnect the LAN if it is > wired. However, you can't disconnect everything in the computer area > or you'll go crazy! It would be a good idea to disconnect the router > from the modem and from power. I got a bad hit from lightning in July, > and it did take out the router and a desktop and a laptop, and damaged > a printer, not to mention other devices around the house--like the TV, > ferinstance! > --doug Your service is probably both old and not up to code, probably grandfathered in if it was built before the NEC became the law here in the states. I brought mine up to code in 2008, as I installed a 200 amp service myself and have not lost ANYTHING but a wired keyboard since. The strike caused me to get a shock spark similar to a door knob, jolted me and killed the keyboard. I now use wireless keyboards for the extra air gap, and its all powered up 24/7/365.25. 6 of them in various locations. The idea between the NEC and various other regulations is that if the line gets hit, it should all bounce in unison so the voltage on every connected wire goes up and down in unison, so the connected stuff still see's only the 5, 12, or 24 volts that runs it. It all may be 250k volts away from ground for a few microsecnds. A dirt ground, other than whats legally connected at the meterhead, is a ground loop that upsets this balanced condition and will eat your lunch. This includes the old time practice of grounding a clothes washer to the copper cold water pipe. That is the case in this house, but that copper never touches dirt, its plastic before it leaves the house. All the network is wired from a cable modem which has lightning arrestors before the cable gets into the house. So I'm a big target, I should lose stuff, but I haven't. Who am I? For starters, I am a Certified Electroncs Technician, registered in Nebraska as NB-118. One who spent the last 18 years of his working life as the Chief Operator of a middle market television station, much of the time by myself. Now I'm your classic old fart of 87, and getting slowly rusty but I still know a few things about electricity. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: A .profile puzzle
On Monday 18 October 2021 01:12:42 Will Mengarini wrote:
> * Gene Heskett [21-10/17=Su 12:18 -0400]:
> > [...] opening a terminal hasn't called
> > a ". .profile" since about jessie [...]
>
> Check whether you *also* have either .bash_profile or
> .bash_login, because either of those supersedes .profile:
>
> ls -lA ~/.bash_{profile,login}
Neither present, just .bashrc, and .bash_logout
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: A .profile puzzle
On Monday 18 October 2021 07:17:05 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 01:42:43AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 18 October 2021 01:12:42 Will Mengarini wrote:
> > > * Gene Heskett [21-10/17=Su 12:18 -0400]:
> > > > [...] opening a terminal hasn't called
> > > > a ". .profile" since about jessie [...]
> > >
> > > Check whether you *also* have either .bash_profile or
> > > .bash_login, because either of those supersedes .profile:
> > >
> > > ls -lA ~/.bash_{profile,login}
> >
> > Neither present, just .bashrc, and .bash_logout
>
> That's as expected, then. Your .profile is not being read *now*
> because it's not supposed to be, if you use a Display Manager to
> login.
>
> Your .profile *used* to be read by terminals, because previously, your
> terminals had been configured to run login shells. However, I'd bet
> it was *not* read by your session, meaning any changes to the
> environment would not be seen by graphical applications that you
> launched directly from your Desktop or your WM, without going through
> a terminal.
>
> Assuming you run a Debian X11 Session via a Display Manager, and also
> assuming you don't have a .xsession file, you probably want to
> configure your environment in ~/.xsessionrc (note the "rc" on the
> end).
That does not exist on that machine. I'll look into it a bit later,
thanks Greg.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Sata Hard drive testing
00 ff ff ff 0f Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0fff = 268435455 > > Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: > CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > 60 00 08 ff ff ff 4f 00 15d+00:06:45.692 READ FPDMA QUEUED > ef 10 02 00 00 00 a0 00 15d+00:06:45.683 SET FEATURES [Enable SATA > feature] > 27 00 00 00 00 00 e0 00 15d+00:06:45.656 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS > EXT [OBS-ACS-3] > ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00 15d+00:06:45.654 IDENTIFY DEVICE > ef 03 46 00 00 00 a0 00 15d+00:06:45.641 SET FEATURES [Set > transfer mode] > > Error 1330 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 10525 hours (438 days + > 13 hours) > When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was > active or idle. > > After command completion occurred, registers were: > ER ST SC SN CL CH DH > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > 40 53 00 ff ff ff 0f Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0fff = 268435455 > > Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: > CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > 60 00 08 ff ff ff 4f 00 15d+00:06:45.526 READ FPDMA QUEUED > ef 10 02 00 00 00 a0 00 15d+00:06:45.517 SET FEATURES [Enable SATA > feature] > 27 00 00 00 00 00 e0 00 15d+00:06:45.491 READ NATIVE MAX ADDRESS > EXT [OBS-ACS-3] > ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00 15d+00:06:45.488 IDENTIFY DEVICE > ef 03 46 00 00 00 a0 00 15d+00:06:45.475 SET FEATURES [Set > transfer mode] > > SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 > Num Test_Description Status Remaining > LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error > # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% > 14551 - # 2 Extended offline Completed without error > 00% 14530 - # 3 Conveyance offline Completed without > error 00% 10165 - # 4 Conveyance offline Completed > without error 00% 10165 - # 5 Short offline > Completed without error 00% 10163 - # 6 Extended > offline Completed without error 00% 9997 - # 7 Short > offline Completed without error 00% 0 - > > SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 > SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS > 1 0 0 Not_testing > 2 0 0 Not_testing > 3 0 0 Not_testing > 4 0 0 Not_testing > 5 0 0 Not_testing > Selective self-test flags (0x0): > After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. > If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute > delay. What color is the sata data cable? if "hot red" aka magenta, bump it with a pencil and note if the syslog log blows up with reset errors. If it does, replace the data cable with any other color but that hot red. That particular plastic dye leads to cable failures and has been a known part of the electronics jungle since the 1970's. > > On 10/18/21 6:52 PM, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 06:25:19PM +0200, Thomas Anderson wrote: > >> I have been having problems with a drive (non-SSD) for a while now, > >> but I would like to "identify" the problem specifically, so that I > >> may perhaps be able to get the drive replaced. > > > > Assuming it's SATA/IDE drive, all you need to do is: > > > > apt install smartmontools > > smartctl -t long > > # wait for the test to finish > > smartctl -a > > > > Please post the output of the last command. > > > > Reco Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Sata Hard drive testing
On Thursday 21 October 2021 08:13:26 Dan Ritter wrote: > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > > Device Model: ST8000DM004-2CX188 > > You should be able to return this drive without proving that it > is defective; this is one of Seagates' SMR drives that they did > not disclose were SMR. > > -dsr- And what does this SMR acronym mean, Dan? Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Sata Hard drive testing
On Thursday 21 October 2021 09:02:01 David wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 23:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > And what does this SMR acronym mean, Dan? > > Questions like this can be answered with an > internet search engine. Search for "Seagate SMR". > For fun you can add search terms like > "controversy guilty dreaded bad press" etc. Very Interesting and most informative Dan, and thank you. Carefully reading between the lines of several hits also explains why I stopped having major failures of amanda, the backup software, when I replaced a 1Tbyte seagate with a 240 gig series 860 samsung SSD, used as a holding disk while amanda is collecting its data to be written to tape w/o shoeshining the tape while at the same time cutting the time to do a 20 gig backup from 3 or 4 hours, to 20 minutes. This post is also being sent to the amanda-users list to alert the users who are currently being affected by this and not finding a definitive answer. Bottom line for amanda users is, do not use todays spinniing rust drives as holding disks. They are simply not trustworthy for short term buffer storage. Symptoms are reported to the user as crc errors in the holding disk. That particular DiskList Entry is then repeated until a good crc is obtained. But that also leaves the bad crc data left on the holding disk eventually using up its capacity without manual intervention to clean up the mess. A genuine PITA for us, and leaves the drive makers in an unfavorable, bad dog, no biscuit light. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
drawing smith charts
Greetings; One of the things I occasionally do is service my local AM radio station when its off the air. This includes trying to keep the VSWR under control. I have a redpitaya Vector Network Analyser that I use to tune the tower, and it gives me the tuning state in the form of a smith chart. But while it claims to run with a linux system as the display, it doesn't, so I had to buy a cheap all-in-one with win 10 home edition on it. Works great but is a pita to setup and get started. The windows driver is also about 50x the size of the linux driver that doesn't work. What can I install to a buster machine that might make this graphical display work? We had, a decade back, a something or other "plot" that might have been able to draw a smith chart but I haven't seen it in the repos recently. It also was a square plotter, whereas the smith chart is circular at its maximum error limits. Can anyone suggest a linux substitute? Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: drawing smith charts
On Saturday 23 October 2021 05:58:12 didier gaumet wrote: > Le samedi 23 octobre 2021 à 04:58 -0400, Gene Heskett a écrit : > > Greetings; > > > > One of the things I occasionally do is service my local AM radio > > station > > when its off the air. This includes trying to keep the VSWR under > > control. > > > > I have a redpitaya Vector Network Analyser that I use to tune the > > tower, > > and it gives me the tuning state in the form of a smith chart. But > > while > > it claims to run with a linux system as the display, it doesn't, so > > I had to buy a cheap all-in-one with win 10 home edition on it. > > Works great but is a pita to setup and get started. The windows > > driver is also > > about 50x the size of the linux driver that doesn't work. > > > > What can I install to a buster machine that might make this > > graphical display work? We had, a decade back, a something or other > > "plot" that > > might have been able to draw a smith chart but I haven't seen it in > > the > > repos recently. It also was a square plotter, whereas the smith > > chart is > > circular at its maximum error limits. > > > > Can anyone suggest a linux substitute? > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > > Hello, > > I do not know nothing about radio setup, your hardware and this brand, > so I am afraid I can not help you much. > > But the manufacturer claims it works under Linux and provides > instructions to get it running: > https://redpitaya.readthedocs.io/en/latest/appsFeatures/applications/v >na/appVNA.html#linux-users-only Albeit there is an error in the link to > download the "control program" which points to the Windows client > instead of the Linux one. > The correct link > is:https://downloads.redpitaya.com/downloads/Clients/vna/vna-linux-too >l.zip Thank you very very much Didier. In my conversations with the maker in cz land I was never able to acquire that link from them. Every link they gave me pointed at the winblows version. Now to see if I can make it run on a pi4b. Or something similar that looks like a lappy but with a screen big enough to read. Attempting to run it on a pi4b running raspbian buster, which is normally running a cnc'd 11x54 lathe, with a preempt-rt kernel, it takes about 30 seconds to get to line 32 and a failure. line 32 tells it: from mpldatacursor import datacursor but it can't find mpldatacursor. found some mpl suspects, installing them on that pi now. Then runniing sudo updatedb, then try python3 ./vna.py again. And it still bails out, same error:(paste) pi@rpi4:/media/pi/workspace/vna-linux-tool $ python3 ./vna.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "./vna.py", line 32, in from mpldatacursor import datacursor ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mpldatacursor' And according to synaptic, there isn't such a critter. Any suggestions? I'll ask on the python list. Maybe someone there knows. Thank you Didier. that link is much appreciated. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: drawing smith charts
On Saturday 23 October 2021 06:06:12 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 04:58:30AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings; > > > > One of the things I occasionally do is service my local AM radio > > station when its off the air. This includes trying to keep the VSWR > > under control. > > > > I have a redpitaya Vector Network Analyser that I use to tune the > > tower, and it gives me the tuning state in the form of a smith > > chart. But while it claims to run with a linux system as the > > display, it doesn't, so I had to buy a cheap all-in-one with win 10 > > home edition on it. Works great but is a pita to setup and get > > started. The windows driver is also about 50x the size of the linux > > driver that doesn't work. > > > > What can I install to a buster machine that might make this > > graphical display work? We had, a decade back, a something or other > > "plot" that might have been able to draw a smith chart but I haven't > > seen it in the repos recently. It also was a square plotter, whereas > > the smith chart is circular at its maximum error limits. > > Python3-scikit-rf looks promising to plot the data. > > Debian electronics / Debian ham teams might have some good ideas > > apt-cache search Smith threw this up > > There's also various gnuplot / octave plots that might work. > > Hope this helps > > All best, as ever, > > Andy Cater > Progress report Andy. The code kit I got from a link Didier posted failed to find a resource it needed, but I in my dotage finally remembered I had previously installed pip3 on that rpi4b, which found the missing code and installed it, and it now runs but without connecting to the VNA because its in a briefcase in the truck. Now I need to obtain another rpi4b and put raspbian buster on it, and a full cups install so I can print the smith charts right in the antenna shack that the FCC likes to see. So progress is being made. Gotta spend a few sheckles yet, but the first job will pay for that. Since the resources to do it with linux have now been rounded up, probably my best bet is to put a 60Gb kingston SSD that isn't doing anything else in the winblows all-in-one, in place of the winblows spinning rust install, and put buster on it. Progress, for some definition of the word. That guy Murphy, that wrote all those laws, is alive and plotting against me of course. Thats been an 87 year battle he has lost every time, but he's a stubborn SOB. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: A .profile puzzle
On Saturday 23 October 2021 22:00:42 piorunz wrote: > On 17/10/2021 17:18, Gene Heskett wrote: > > The local electrical system, while better than Haiti's is getting to > > be a nuisance with 5 second power failures about weekly, or is that > > weakly? (...) > > I made some mods to a 3d printer project in openscad last week, > > printed it, but forgot to save it. So I lost it when the latest > > failure rebooted that machine. > > With all due respect, you should know that UPS to power up one > computer for an hour cost £150 on eBay, or even £70 if you can buy > used and/or replace batteries yourself etc, as I did. Just buy that > and begone will be all reboots due to flaky electric, forever. > Not forever, only as long aa the batteries last. And 95% of the ups's seriously overcharge their batteries just to burn them up in 2 or 3 years. All to get an extra 10% runtime they can advertise. Ask ma bell how long those racks of big, glass tanked lead acid batteries in the back room that power your local phone company, last. Some of them are now more than 70 years old and still as good as new. The secret is the correct charge as measured by the SG of the acid in them. You cannot of course meaure a gell cell that way, the only thing you can do is quit charging them when you stop the charge and measure the tempurature sensitive volts, or in the case of a maintenance charger, reduce it over time until arriving at a voltage that results in a charge current below that which produces gas. An experiment I did back in the 70's at a tv station with a 335 commings engine spinning a 150 kw alternator, which could run the transmitter at about 40% power since it was a twin klystron transmitter needing nearly 300 kwh for full power. When I walked in the door in '69 the starter batteries were about 2 years old and about burned up since the maintenance charger was a 20 amp gas station type with a 50 ohm current limiter, no smarts at all. 3 months later they didn't have what it took when those 2 big 225 ah truck batteries were switched to 24 volts to start that cummings. So I cut a P.O. and went to Norfolk and bought two new batteries. And put a 2200 ohm current limiter in circuit to replace the 50 which was litterally boiling the batteries. 2 weeks later they were still warm and gassing so I changed the resistor to 4.7k ohms. Another week and I'd put a 10k in. SG 2 weeks later was nearly 1.28, still too high, 3 or 4 months later the resistor had been raised to 47k, the charging current was then less than 5 milliamps, the SG was still a bit high at 1.27, but the gassing was close to stopped. 8 years later, when I headed on down the road to an office door that said Chief Engineer with my name on it, those two 8 yo batteries were still turning that cum-along 335 everything but wrong side out starting it for its weekly exercise 15 minute run. The start relays closed, the bendix slammed into the flywheel, the first cylinder to hit tdc fired and about a second later the governor hit 1800 rpm and throttled it. All in about 1 short second, and the batteries were then 8 years old. That was in 1977, 45 years ago, maybe they are still there, I haven't checked. While I was there, the alternator on my wagon failed and I got a 120 amp version off a wrecked ambulance and built my own voltage regulator, putting in 4 or 5 times the tempcomp that factory regulators give. Kept a 600 cranking amp battery at around 1.265 SG. No gassing, no water loss, started a 348 pumpjack in -30F weather like it was summertime. The wild tempcomp put that alternator wide open for around a minute after starting but the headlights were a little bright. W/O adding any water, that alternator, regulator and battery were moved to the next 3 wagons I bought while living there. So I think I know a bit about Lead acid batteries. But the little cyberpower 650 I put on the rpi4 doesn't see a very much measurable load, so if the standby doesn't start, it dumps the power to the pi 2 minutes after I pull the plug, bummer & hard on the pi. Idiotic even. from upsc myups: ups.delay.shutdown: 120 ups.delay.start: 0 ups.load: 8 8 watts to run the pi and its interfacing, and the 120 seconds to shutdown is not adjustable. IMO I got took. OTOH it was only 40 bucks. shrug. The 20kw standby is up and running in about 4 seconds, so the 120 does cover it. --< there is no space here Piotr, so your sig gets copied in the quote, put a space after the -- and your sig will, or should, disappear in replies from others to your posts. > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org > ⠈⠳⣄ Thank you Piotr. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please u
problem with an HP AIO
Greetings all; This $350 thing in 2019, a model unk cuz its a tiny label in chinese, has W10HE on it and has decided it can't run the app I bought it for, a python app that I have already proved can run on linux with out needing a winderz magician to make it run. So I decided to remove the spinning rust wonderifitwillrunthistime drive, install a 6x faster kingston 60 GB SSD and put bullseye in it. Just one problem though. Its a work computer but this is only a 20k .py script in linux, where the winderz version is about 20 megs. This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into it to swap the drive. So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as sold by wally's? Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will open it! Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: problem with an HP AIO
On Monday 25 October 2021 21:37:24 piorunz wrote: > On 26/10/2021 02:29, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > This $350 thing in 2019, a model unk cuz its a tiny label in > > chinese, has W10HE on it and has decided it can't run the app I > > bought it for, a python app that I have already proved can run on > > linux with out needing a winderz magician to make it run. > > > > So I decided to remove the spinning rust wonderifitwillrunthistime > > drive, install a 6x faster kingston 60 GB SSD and put bullseye in > > it. Just one problem though. Its a work computer but this is only a > > 20k .py script in linux, where the winderz version is about 20 megs. > > > > This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into it to > > swap the drive. > > > > So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as sold > > by wally's? > > > > Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will > > open it! > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > > Hello Gene, > > Can you try again in English this time please, I can't understand what > is the problem you have described in full 5 paragraphs instead of 1. > No essays, just say what is the problem and how you want to fix it. > I need a way into this HP all in one, there are no visible screws anyplace. I want to open it and change the 1T HD out for a 60G kingston SSD. > -- > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org > ⠈⠳⣄ Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: problem with an HP AIO
On Monday 25 October 2021 21:48:24 Greg Wooledge wrote: > how to open HP all-in-one Thank you very much, I think I found a video for the exact one I have from ddg. And have it bookmarked. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: problem with an HP AIO
On Monday 25 October 2021 22:06:09 Larry Martell wrote: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 9:57 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 25 October 2021 21:37:24 piorunz wrote: > > > On 26/10/2021 02:29, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > This $350 thing in 2019, a model unk cuz its a tiny label in > > > > chinese, has W10HE on it and has decided it can't run the app I > > > > bought it for, a python app that I have already proved can run > > > > on linux with out needing a winderz magician to make it run. > > > > > > > > So I decided to remove the spinning rust > > > > wonderifitwillrunthistime drive, install a 6x faster kingston 60 > > > > GB SSD and put bullseye in it. Just one problem though. Its a > > > > work computer but this is only a 20k .py script in linux, where > > > > the winderz version is about 20 megs. > > > > > > > > This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into > > > > it to swap the drive. > > > > > > > > So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as > > > > sold by wally's? > > > > > > > > Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will > > > > open it! > > > > > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > > > > > > Hello Gene, > > > > > > Can you try again in English this time please, I can't understand > > > what is the problem you have described in full 5 paragraphs > > > instead of 1. No essays, just say what is the problem and how you > > > want to fix it. > > > > I need a way into this HP all in one, there are no visible screws > > anyplace. I want to open it and change the 1T HD out for a 60G > > kingston SSD. > > Personally, I enjoyed Gene’s eloquent prose. Thanks Larry, but ou speak engish as a first language. Some here I suspect are still in the 80's where every byte costs money. Now its not so iron clad and I can vent my frustrations by inventing prose that is gibberish to those who never got phonics in school, and of coarse may not speak english as first language so they have a double hurdle to jump. Thats unfortunate when I do as it locks those who are translating on the fly, out of the conversation and some BWG's. My apologies as I am forever grateful to those that have learned english as a 2nd or 3rd, 4th etc language. I missed out on any other languages that may have been available when I was in school in the 1940's since I quit school shortly safter the 8th grade and went to work fixing what was then a brand new technology, tv's, and working as a broadcast engineer starting in the 1960's on till I hung that up just short of 20 years ago. In other words, I am now both a Certified Electronics Technician, but a certified old fart at 87 years. I'm growing old, but I refuse to grow up because acting my age is such a bore. :) Thank you all, I did get the help I needed. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
Greetings raid experts; The man page we have goes on and on for megabytes without ever giving an example. I thought maybe it could scan for devices so that I could build an mdadm.conf but it wont do a --scan by itself. I have installed 4 1T samsung EVo 870's on their own non-raid sata controller, but with 11 days uptime and the logrotate manager having a 10k is too big attitude, all data from the last reboot has scrolled off the end of /var/log/syslog-7.gz. But I don't see an option (or recognize it if it is there) to give it a controller id and let it make a raid10 out of the 4 identical drives it could find there. If there is such a critter, point me at it please. What I'd like to do when I install bullseye, is use this raid10 for the /home partition in the bullseye install. Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Problem with Synaptic
On Friday 12 November 2021 07:30:36 Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > On 11/11/2021 03:11 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 11 Nov 2021 at 14:34:20 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > >> On 11/11/2021 02:06 PM, Brian wrote: > >>> On Thu 11 Nov 2021 at 12:38:33 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > >>>> I am running buster on my Linux platform. > >>>> > >>>> I have installed a new Brother Laser print using the current > >>>> Brother Linux installer. > >>> > >>> The MFC-L2710DW is a modern device and is completely supported by > >>> packages shipped with Debian 11 (bullseye). It is also completely > >>> supported for printing via a wireless connection on buster. > >>> > >>> The packages needed for USB connections and scanning do not come > >>> with buster but can easily be obtained from > >>> > >>> https://github.com/alexpevzner/sane-airscan > >>> > >>> Do yourself a favour and read > >>> > >>> https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSQuickPrintQueues > >>> > >>> A user with a device such as yours does not need proprietary, > >>> non-free printing or scanning drivers in 2021. > >> > >> Very interesting. Thank you. > > > > Interesting indeed. Reaching for printing and scanning drivers, > > whether free or non-free, is still a user's first thought. I > > suppose one should work to tackle the issue you outline but > > switching to driverless printing and scanning is a lot easier > > and makes most problems involving drivers go away. Additionally, > > it future-proofs the printing and scanning systems. > > This is the immediate problem that I need to fix: > > comp@AbNormal:~$ sudo apt upgrade > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > E: The package brscan4 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an > archive for it. > > sudo apt update ran without any problems. Thats b'cuz the Brother installer puts all that stuff in /opt, and for the most part I havn't touched it in around 3 years. It has some tcp crc hiccups early on, but thats gone away a long time ago and for a cheap B&W brother lazer, and a huge MFC-J6920DW, it Just Works. And synaptic has not ever asked for my attention by fussing about it. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Problem with Synaptic
On Friday 12 November 2021 07:36:01 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 12/11/2021 09:30, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > This is the immediate problem that I need to fix: > > > > comp@AbNormal:~$ sudo apt upgrade > > Reading package lists... Done > > Building dependency tree > > Reading state information... Done > > E: The package brscan4 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an > > archive for it. > > > > sudo apt update ran without any problems. > > Try downloading it again (since it's not part of the archives, it must > be downloaded manually) and running 'apt install ./brscan4-..deb' > (substituting the actual file name, naturally). The './' is necessary > to tell apt it's a file name. No, to be precise, it tells the file system its a file in the currently cd'd to directory. Which may not be in the env's $PATH. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
On Friday 12 November 2021 08:39:31 Charles Curley wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 08:05:53 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > The man page we have goes on and on for megabytes without ever
> > giving an example.
> >
> > I thought maybe it could scan for devices so that I could build an
> > mdadm.conf but it wont do a --scan by itself.
>
> Nope, near as I can figure --scan only works with an existing RAID
> setup. You have to create it first. And you have to create it
> manually. mdadm is not going to guess.
>
> Not that I am any kind or RAID expert, but I did create a RAID1
> installation about a year ago. I recently added a drive and moved from
> RAID1 to RAID5.
>
> In the interest of protecting my data should I ever have to install
> one of these drives somewhere else, I first created a partition on
> each of the two new drives. Then:
>
> mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdc1
> /dev/sdd1
Thats what I've been looking for, a commandline example I can modify for
my use. Since posting, I have found that gparted spits out a list of
disks that have never been labeled, and those then are the disks I'll
want to use.
So
mdadm --create --verbose /dem/md0 --level=10 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sde /dev/sdf
/dev/sdg /dev/sdh
should work.
but once assembled, does it need formatted? I don't intend to encrypt.
> I then set up encryption in the RAID device:
>
> cryptsetup -y -v luksFormat /dev/md0
> cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/md0 encryptedRaid
> cryptsetup -v status encryptedRaid
> cryptsetup luksDump /dev/md0
>
> Preserve the header, just in case
> cryptsetup luksHeaderBackup /dev/md0 --header-backup-file
> ${HOSTNAME}.$(date +%Y.%m.%d).luks.raid.backup
>
> Then build the LVM on top of /dev/mapper/encryptedRaid:
>
> pvcreate /dev/mapper/encryptedRaid# create the physical volume.
> vgcreate hawk-vg-raid /dev/mapper/encryptedRaid # Create the volume
> group. lvcreate -n crc$( date +%Y ) -L 2862612M hawk-vg-raid # Create
> a logical volume
>
> etc. The RAID5 setup is working just fine.
>
> Note: The RAID volume is open for business as soon as you create it.
> But it will then take several hours to sync between the two drives.
> Same thing when I expanded from RAID1 to RAID5; it took more than a
> day of steady thrashing.
>
> Hope that helps.
A bunch, thanks.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
On Friday 12 November 2021 08:49:21 Dan Ritter wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > The man page we have goes on and on for megabytes without ever > > giving an example. > > > > I thought maybe it could scan for devices so that I could build an > > mdadm.conf but it wont do a --scan by itself. > > You are looking for > > mdadm --detail --scan > > It is in that man page, as an example under --detail. > > > But I don't see an option (or recognize it if it is there) to give > > it a controller id and let it make a raid10 out of the 4 identical > > drives it could find there. > > > > If there is such a critter, point me at it please. > > You have to feed mdadm the drives you want specifically; there's > no scattershot approach. > > Let's say that the drives are /dev/sdf, /dev/sdg, /dev/sdh and > /dev/sdi. > > (You can re-confirm what drive is what via hdparm -i, or > smartctl.) > > If you have data on them, it will be wiped out. You should copy > off anything important, and then run wipefs on each of them. > > Then, creation is > > # mdadm -C /dev/md0 --level=10 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sdf /dev/sdg > /dev/sdh /dev/sdi > > (assuming you want it named /dev/md0 and there isn't one > already) > > Then you can make a filesystem on /dev/md0 and put it in your > fstab, mount it, and copy data over to it. > Thats was my next Q... > > What I'd like to do when I install bullseye, is use this raid10 for > > the /home partition in the bullseye install. > > The installer will recognize it as an md RAID and can be told that you > want to use it as-is, or you can destroy it and re-create it without > data. > > -dsr- Thanks Dan Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
On Friday 12 November 2021 08:49:21 Dan Ritter wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > The man page we have goes on and on for megabytes without ever > > giving an example. > > > > I thought maybe it could scan for devices so that I could build an > > mdadm.conf but it wont do a --scan by itself. > > You are looking for > > mdadm --detail --scan > Null return on stretch version of mdadm. Supposedly up to date as of an hour ago. > It is in that man page, as an example under --detail. Not in the stretch man page. And its sounding as if I should do that during the bullseye install to get the more capable mdadm, but will the devices have the same names? With the reputation for volatility of device names a mistake there could destroy 23 years of data. > > But I don't see an option (or recognize it if it is there) to give > > it a controller id and let it make a raid10 out of the 4 identical > > drives it could find there. > > > > If there is such a critter, point me at it please. > > You have to feed mdadm the drives you want specifically; there's > no scattershot approach. > > Let's say that the drives are /dev/sdf, /dev/sdg, /dev/sdh and > /dev/sdi. > > (You can re-confirm what drive is what via hdparm -i, or > smartctl.) > > If you have data on them, it will be wiped out. You should copy > off anything important, and then run wipefs on each of them. > > Then, creation is > > # mdadm -C /dev/md0 --level=10 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sdf /dev/sdg > /dev/sdh /dev/sdi > > (assuming you want it named /dev/md0 and there isn't one > already) > > Then you can make a filesystem on /dev/md0 and put it in your > fstab, mount it, and copy data over to it. So mkfs.ext4 /md0 is required, ok > > What I'd like to do when I install bullseye, is use this raid10 for > > the /home partition in the bullseye install. > > The installer will recognize it as an md RAID and can be told that you > want to use it as-is, or you can destroy it and re-create it without > data. > > -dsr- Thanks Dan. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
On Friday 12 November 2021 09:29:06 David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 12 Nov 2021 at 08:05:53 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I have installed 4 1T samsung EVo 870's on their own non-raid sata
> > controller, but with 11 days uptime and the logrotate manager
> > having a 10k is too big attitude, all data from the last reboot has
> > scrolled off the end of /var/log/syslog-7.gz.
>
> Package rsyslog doesn't have attitude, it has:
>
> $ head -12 /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog
> /var/log/syslog
> {
> rotate 7 ← increase to whatever you like
> daily
> missingok
> notifempty
> delaycompress
> compress
> postrotate
> /usr/lib/rsyslog/rsyslog-rotate
> endscript
> }
> $
And I just changed daily to weekly. Daily scrolls what I want to check on
out of reach way too soon.
> Cheers,
> David.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
On Friday 12 November 2021 10:18:07 Dan Ritter wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 12 November 2021 08:49:21 Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > The man page we have goes on and on for megabytes without ever > > > > giving an example. > > > > > > > > I thought maybe it could scan for devices so that I could build > > > > an mdadm.conf but it wont do a --scan by itself. > > > > > > You are looking for > > > > > > mdadm --detail --scan > > > > Null return on stretch version of mdadm. Supposedly up to date as of > > an hour ago. > > That would be expected if you don't have any current mdadm > devices. Explains that, thanks. > > Not in the stretch man page. And its sounding as if I should do > > that during the bullseye install to get the more capable mdadm, but > > will the devices have the same names? With the reputation for > > volatility of device names a mistake there could destroy 23 years of > > data. > > After you have set them up, mdadm.conf has things like this: > > ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 name=debian:0 > UUID=aeac6271:676b1852:04f077d6:fcd285d6 ARRAY /dev/md/1 metadata=1.2 > name=debian:1 UUID=d74ff881:2e966c37:ec6ef1ec:75b8cdce ARRAY /dev/md/2 > metadata=1.2 name=debian:2 UUID=7c56166b:0d5aed8b:a9d03c45:e9b8080c That doesn't appear to be true. I have run the create which seemed to be ok, then mkfs -text4 /dev/md0, then mounted it at /home2. But /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf doesn't yet have any of that, only this: gene@coyote:~$ cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf # mdadm.conf # # Please refer to mdadm.conf(5) for information about this file. # # by default (built-in), scan all partitions (/proc/partitions) and all # containers for MD superblocks. alternatively, specify devices to scan, using # wildcards if desired. #DEVICE partitions containers # automatically tag new arrays as belonging to the local system HOMEHOST # instruct the monitoring daemon where to send mail alerts MAILADDR root # definitions of existing MD arrays # This configuration was auto-generated on Sun, 08 Aug 2021 01:18:22 -0400 by mkconf Which from your descriptions is not complete. No ARRAY statements at all. What did I do wrong? And again, I don't trust UUID's as moving a drive cable to a different socket has invalidated the whole lot of them once before. I would much rather LABEL the array, and mount it in /etc/fstab by that label. At the instant its mounted as /dev/md0 to /home2 and looks like an empty nearly 2 T-byte drive to an ls -la: gene@coyote:~$ ls -la /home2 total 24 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Nov 12 11:12 . drwxr-xr-x 29 root root 4096 Nov 12 11:16 .. drwx-- 2 root root 16384 Nov 12 11:12 lost+found LABEL as I recall is a journalctl function? Does it work on raid10's? Humm, now: gene@coyote:~/AppImages$ sudo mdadm --detail --scan [sudo] password for gene: ARRAY /dev/md0 metadata=1.2 name=coyote:0 UUID=8ad67ef1:a14d63ab:c684ec2b:42a0c011 So I should add that last line to which category in mdadm.conf? And for the time being use that UUID in /etc/fstab to mount it to /home2, right? > And during boot, the system will look for all drives/partitions that > fit that UUID for assembly, regardless of whether they are currently > named /dev/hdc3, /dev/sdq, or /dev/nvme0np1. > > -dsr- Thanks Dan Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
On Friday 12 November 2021 10:37:22 Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 09:22:12AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > mdadm --create --verbose /dem/md0 --level=10 --raid-devices=4 > > /dev/sde /dev/sdf /dev/sdg /dev/sdh > > > > should work. > > You may want to create identical partitions on each of the devices > first, and use those instead of the raw unpartitioned devices. > > The reason is that there is hardware (primarily motherboards) out > there that get upset when they see a drive without a partition > table, and just blindly make one, which corrupts your RAID. There > are ASRock motherboards which are known to do this at every boot. > > Such things are broken of course and ideally would be avoided, but > having all your drives corrupted isn't a nice way to discover that > you own one. yes, makes you want to use the whole maryann for target practice, BTDT, something I am well equipt to do. All for just moving a drives sata cable to a different socket on the previous Asus motherboard, and so is this one, an Asus PRIME Z-370-A-II with a 6 core i5. > > but once assembled, does it need formatted? > > It will be an empty block device like any other. You get to choose > what filesystem to put on it, or use it however else you might use a > block device. Condensing this down bare bones it sounds like I should un-mount it, format each to ext4 and re-create it just in case. And should nuke mdadm.conf before re-creating it. Correct? Thanks Andy. > Cheers, > Andy Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
On Friday 12 November 2021 11:34:24 Charles Curley wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:22:12 -0500 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > So > > > > mdadm --create --verbose /dem/md0 --level=10 --raid-devices=4 > > /dev/sde /dev/sdf /dev/sdg /dev/sdh > > > > should work. > > It should. But there are good reasons to put partitions on the drives > first and use the partitions.. > > > but once assembled, does it need formatted? > > Yes. It's a raw block partition. > > I put LVM on, and made a logical volume which left some space so I > would have lots of flexibility in my array. > > There is a systemd service in Bullseye that creates a snapshot of LVM > logical volumes, fscks the snapshot, and reports the result if there > is an error. So I leave at least 20 GB available on my system disk for > that. Leaving a chunk available for that on your RAID array strikes me > as a good idea. Thanks Charles. Sounds like a good idea. I'll see if I can get gparted to see them now. It see's it, but its locked, in use by the system even if unmounted. Now what? Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Re: Where do I find the definitive man page for mdadm?
On Friday 12 November 2021 11:49:29 The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-11-12 at 11:42, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 12 November 2021 10:18:07 Dan Ritter wrote: > >> Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > Not in the stretch man page. And its sounding as if I should do > >> > that during the bullseye install to get the more capable mdadm, > >> > but will the devices have the same names? With the reputation for > >> > volatility of device names a mistake there could destroy 23 years > >> > of data. > >> > >> After you have set them up, mdadm.conf has things like this: > >> > >> ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 name=debian:0 > >> UUID=aeac6271:676b1852:04f077d6:fcd285d6 ARRAY /dev/md/1 > >> metadata=1.2 name=debian:1 UUID=d74ff881:2e966c37:ec6ef1ec:75b8cdce > >> ARRAY /dev/md/2 metadata=1.2 name=debian:2 > >> UUID=7c56166b:0d5aed8b:a9d03c45:e9b8080c > > > > That doesn't appear to be true. I have run the create which seemed > > to be ok, then mkfs -text4 /dev/md0, then mounted it at /home2. > > > > But /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf doesn't yet have any of that, only this: > > > > > Which from your descriptions is not complete. No ARRAY statements at > > all. What did I do wrong? > > Not sure if you did anything wrong, but now that you've done the > --create operation, you might try running > > # mdadm --detail --scan > > again. You might see that it now outputs definition lines like the > ones Dan presented as examples; if so, you can append those lines to > mdadm.conf, and if I'm not mistaken the result should (in theory) be > valid. > > > And again, I don't trust UUID's as moving a drive cable to a > > different socket has invalidated the whole lot of them once before. > > Eh? That doesn't make any sense at all. The UUID is supposed to be > stored *on* the drive, so that it is independent of connection. I can > testify that this has been the case in my experience with mdadm > RAID-array UUIDs. Does re-running blockid rewrite those? I recall I did that when the moved cable didn't mount on reboot. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
