Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Your mail is a joke, I think debian partitionning tool is the best i tried. It's your taste but don't tell it's a joke. Le 29/09/2019 à 16:56, Wayne Sallee a écrit : Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
What partitioning tool are you talking about? Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com Original Message *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Nicolas Dobigeon *To: * Wayne Sallee , Debian User *CC: * *Date: * 2019-9-29 11:09 AM Your mail is a joke, I think debian partitionning tool is the best i tried. It's your taste but don't tell it's a joke. Le 29/09/2019 à 16:56, Wayne Sallee a écrit : Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. Wayne Sallee wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Wayne Sallee writes: What partitioning tool are you talking about? Wayne Sallee mailto:wa...@waynesallee.com>wa...@waynesallee.com http://www.WayneSallee.com>http://www.WayneSallee.com When I think of the debian partitioning tool, I think of this one: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2014/04/pngqsHcq7etg4.png It is very good in the sense that it exposes a lot of features (e.g. wrt. RAID, Encryption and LVM) in a consistent user interface. At least it is much more consistent, than interacting with the different software pieces for RAID, Encryption, LVM separately. It has worked well for me every time I used it and that was possibly ~30 times and at least three different Debian versions (I think I installed lenny, squeeze, stretch). It has not stayed exactly the same between the versions, but it does not change in ways that would confuse users which know (any?) previous version. I have seen a lot of other partitioning tools, integrated in installers and outside of them. Outside installers, tools are often more focused on a specific task (like Gparted to do partitions and partition tables but not RAID setup etc) which means one would need to learn multiple tools to achieve a working system. To learn how it works, I also setup MDADM-Raid and LUKS-Encryption a few times by using the respective tools, but it was much more involved than just relying on the installer. From my point of view, the installer does such good a job at partitioning, that it would make sense to have just that feature as a standalone program to call on systems which are already installed [I know that I can boot the installer for this, but partitioning without stopping unaffected services would be nice, too]. The other partitioning systems I have seen in installers were often quite strange, because they tend to offer a "guided" mode like Debian, but in the "manual" mode still do some (to me sometimes unexpected) things automatically. E.g. if you install Windows 10, IIRC, there is a manual partitioning step which automatically creates two partitions if you create one for the system drive... Another style of installation is with the CentOS installer: I think I like it acceptably well, too. But being a more "modern" looking GUI program, I must admit that for the few times I have used that installer's partitioning features (three times or so), I needed to figure out how to "apply" my changes anew each time. Debian's dialog-driven wizard- like interface requires a few more keystrokes, but makes indicates quite clearly if it has taken a user's input or not, thus I think it is better- suited for this critical but rarely-executed task. [Note that I am not N. Dobigeon, just /my/ opinion on what the Debian Partitioning tool and its merits are in case it might help to find out what exactly is wrong about the partitioning step and how it can be improved...] YMMV Linux-Fan *Subject: * Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke *From: * Nicolas Dobigeon Your mail is a joke, I think debian partitionning tool is the best i tried. It's your taste but don't tell it's a joke. Le 29/09/2019 à 16:56, Wayne Sallee a écrit : Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the installation. It's absolutely pathetic. [...]
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:56:54 -0400 Wayne Sallee wrote: > Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the > installation. > > It's absolutely pathetic. Some more detail would be useful. For example,how would you do it better? Code submissions would be welcome. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
Wayne Sallee wrote: > Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the > installation. > > It's absolutely pathetic. Do you have specific suggestions for improvement? -dsr-
bluetooth and Debian 10
Yesterday, I finally got around to upgrading from Debian 9 to 10. After I finished, my bluetooth speaker stopped working reliably. It does always connect, and, when it does, it may or may not display in pavucontrol and doesn't appear in phonon at all. When I change its settings on the configuration tab of pavucontrol, the next time I open pavulcontrol, it's turned off. Once or twice, I've managed to get sound, but the same settings don't always work after I reboot. The speaker links with my machine when it turns on, and is listed as connected. It works with other computers and phones. Various utilities like bluez provide no help. I've checked the alsa and pulseaudio packages installed, and everything I need is there. Can anyone suggest a solution? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but I'm at a loss to suggest what. Any suggestions? o Bruce Byfield (on Pacific time) 604-421-7189 "Designing with LibreOffice": www.designingwithlibreoffice.com Prentice Pieces: https://prenticepieces.com/
Re: bluetooth and Debian 10
Bruce Byfield wrote: > Can anyone suggest a solution? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, > but I'm at a loss to suggest what. Any suggestions? it was asked recently already. reported that removing the pairing and ~/.pulse or ~/.config/pulse after which reboot and repair worked. Try first removing ~/.pulse and/or ~/.config/pulse before you login with your user. if it does not help try unpair, remove ~/.pulse and/or ~/.config/pulse and pair again.
Re: Rescuing hard disks
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 01:41:58PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 03:11:07PM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > > If I understood this right, you have two disks with data and they were > > previously configured as RAID1 volume. > > What make\model RAID-controller do you use? Because "cages" by > > themselves offer only SATA\SAS ports for disks to connect them. > > RAID functionality is provided by OS (software RAID), or RAID-controller > > (hardware RAID). > > This is indeed, key to providing a useful answer. Reading between the lines, > I suspect OP is using Hardware RAID, and most likely, they've lost their > data. > Nope, as mentioned earlier in the thread, very glad to report no such loss occurred. The first advice in this thread was right, and recreating the partition table destroyed by the hardware RAID in the cage fixed it. The filesystem in the partition hadn't been touched. Mark
Hard disks auto-spinning-down
Since a fresh install of buster, an external USB3 hard disk cage from Terramaster that I own is not automatically spinning down the disks in it when they go unused for a time. I used a previous generation of the cage with Stretch previously, it spun down the disks when they were not in use (actually a little too quickly for my taste) reliably and I don't recall doing anything to make that happen. Any thoughts on where I might look to find settings that can be tweaked to make it spin down when idle? A friend of mine uses the same cage with a Mac and says it spins down when not in use, so I feel like I should be able to do it somehow. The only thing I can think of that I've tweaked since installing buster is to disable suspend, as I didn't want the whole computer suspending when I was away for a bit, as this computer does a lot of background processing. I wonder if I overdid that and disabled something I should have left enabled? The solution to that problem involved disabling a couple of systemd targets. I just re-googled that problem because I couldn't remember what targets I disabled -- and now I see on the wiki that they are sleep.target hibernate.target suspend.target and hybrid-sleep.target. The wiki says to do "systemctl mask" on those targets but I suspect I followed someone else's advice and did "systemctl disable" on those targets. Any link to this problem? Otherwise where should I look? Thanks Mark
Re: Differences between apt-listchanges/unattended-upgrades/apticron/cron-apt
Hi, Thank you very much Dan & Jonas and sorry for the delay... I think it's pretty clearer now for me. So in case I want to A) be notified should there be any new upgrade available B) have my security packages be ugraded automatically and be notified C) receive an email with the list of changes I will need to install * apticron for A) and configure /etc/apticron/apticron.conf* unattended-upgrade for B) and configure both /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades * apt-listchanges for C) and configure /etc/apt/listchanges.conf I bet cron-apt (still with apt-listchanges) can do all of this but the configuration seems more complex/tricky. Is that all correct please? Best regards, l0f4r0 10 sept. 2019 à 19:05 de l0f...@tuta.io: > Hello, > > Can somebody explain to me the differences between apt-listchanges, > unattended-upgrades, apticron and cron-apt please? > > I have the following feeling: > * apt-listchanges: its main purpose is to indicate what's new between > different packages versions. So it's handy to learn that new packages are > available with an email alert (is it triggered automatically as soon as apt > update finds something new?) > > * unattended-upgrades: its main purpose is to upgrade your machine > automatically. Personally, I use it to update my db & upgrade my vulnerable > packages only (btw it triggers apt-listchanges) > > Am I correct? Why would I need apticron & cron-apt then (I have Debian 9)? > > Thanks in advance! > l0f4r0 >
Re: Debian Installer, Manual Partitioning is a Joke
On Sun, 29 Sep, 2019 at 10:56:54 -0400, Wayne Sallee wrote: > Debian really needs to work on the manual partitioning part of the > installation. > > It's absolutely pathetic. > > Wayne Sallee > wa...@waynesallee.com > http://www.WayneSallee.com > Thank you for your contribution. I look forward to reading your proposals for improving Debian, and how you intend to contribute.
RStudio in Buster
Hello The RStudio application, a popular IDE-like tool for programming in R, is not to my knowledge packaged in the mainstream Debian repositories. The makers of RStudio, however, provide a package which can be downloaded from their website for installation in Debian. The most recent package they provide is aiming at Stretch -- they don't seem to have produced a Buster version yet. The Stretch-facing package installs into Buster without error, but then fails when you try to launch it because it has a dependency on libssl1.0.2 and Buster uses libssl1.1 (and presumably this dependency isn't recorded at the package level) If one downloads libssl1.0.2 from the Debian package pool and installs it, it appears to install OK and RStudio starts working -- but, what damage / compromise is that likely to have done to the system? Is it OK to do this? Should one take other steps to prevent libssl1.0.2 being used by other applications? Thanks Mark
Re: Authentication for telnet.
From: Reco Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably faster than competitors. > ... your request seems to be awfully close to (in)famous A/B > problem, ... I might have read about the A/B Problem years ago but don't recall or understand well enough. > telnetd(8), "-a" and "-L" parameters. Just had a look at the parameters (again?) and don't have a clear idea to set them. Tips welcome. Regards, ... Peter E. -- https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Medical_Machines Tel: +1 604 670 0140Bcc: peter at easthope. ca
Re: Authentication for telnet.
Hello, On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco > > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? > > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably > faster than competitors. Because such a thing is hideously insecure, it has fallen into disuse and SSH is the name of the game these days, Even if you do not require the security of SSH, the mere fact that SSH is ubiquitous means that you may have an easier time using SSH for this. Have you tried SSH and found it lacking somehow? Is it a case that the hosts you are dealing with are too underpowered CPU-wise to cope with SSH's encryption? I am old enough to remember how we used to remotely manage machines before SSH was invented: rlogin. You can still install rlogin on Debian, and by crafting a suitable $HOME/.rhosts file you can provide passwordless plain text login capability. "man rlogin" and "man 5 rhosts" should get you going. I still think it is a really bad idea unless SSH is totally out of the question. Finally, it is possible to spawn a shell on a particxular port with socat and then use socat at the other end to connect to it, to provide an interactive shell session again with no authentication or encryption. See: https://blog.ropnop.com/upgrading-simple-shells-to-fully-interactive-ttys/#method2usingsocat > > ... your request seems to be awfully close to (in)famous A/B > > problem, ... > > I might have read about the A/B Problem years ago but don't recall or > understand well enough. It's when someone has a problem, and they think a particular method will solve it, so they ask about that method rather than the problem itself. They risk missing a much better solution because they focussed on the particular method they knew of. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Authentication for telnet.
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 10:51:22PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > > efficiency.) > I am old enough to remember how we used to remotely manage machines > before SSH was invented: rlogin. Oh, I see now that you were interested in passwordless equivalent of "telnet localhost". It is confusing why you would need to do this to localhost as you could just type "bash" (or dash or zsh or whatever) to get a new shell. So it would help our understanding if you were to explain what your use case is for this new interactive shell session. If you are in some sort of graphical desktop then as you already say, the usual method is just to open a new terminal emulator. On the console you could switch to a new virtual console ctrl+alt+F1, F2, F3 etc. That would have a login prompt though. Would that solution be good enough if it was automatically logged in as your user? If you are just trying to execute things as another use then su or sudo may be more appropriate. "sudo -u anotheruser -s" gets you an interactive shell session as anotheruser, and can be configured to be passwordless if you like. I mentioned rlogin. With rlogin you can still use it over localhost to switch between users in a passwordless manner. So too could SSH, of course. If it's only to the same host though it seems overkill compared to su or sudo. So I think we really do still need to know more about your use case. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Debian 10 freezes upon shutdown, reboot and logout
Hi, I'm currently having issues with a LENOVO ideapad320. Using Stretch was smooth. But this weekend I've updated to Buster and I'm having trouble to shutdown the system. Rebooting also freezes. Watchdog says the CPU number #something is 22 seconds froze. I usually don't use "logout" since it is my personal laptop and I only uses KDE, but I've decided to give i3wm a try and because of that I discovered that not only shutdown and reboot hangs the system, but also logout. I need to finish shutdown with SysReq commands everytime to sync, umount and turn off. Not sure what logs I need to look, but kern.log shows nouveau driver having problems. Not much to go after, but may be a tip. Also, I've tried to add ACPI=force to grub, just in case, to test. Nothing changed. A small detail: my var partition is separated from the root. I'm telling this because in the old system ever reboot gave me a "unable to umount var". But it was ok. When I installed Stretch in 2018 I researched the problem and it was only a warning from journal.conf that could be solved by using "volatile". Anyway, I even considered to move /var to the root just to test, but after reading more about the problem I decided not to pursue this way. It must be something else... Maybe I could try to remove nouveau just to test. But since removing and adding nouveau is really hard, and the video is working great, I want to check with you guys first for more fresh ideas. Has anyone had trouble shutting down Buster? What other options do I have to try to find the problem and a possible solution? Any other logs may be of interest? Thanks. Bèco, -- Linux user since it was called "just a hobby" (by L. Torvald) -- Dr Beco A.I. researcher "I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant" -- Alan Greenspan GPG Key: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x5A107A425102382A Creation date: pgp.mit.edu ID as of 2014-11-09
Re: PCmanFM does not recognize android device
On 9/24/19, mb wrote: > Hi! > Since i upgraded my system to buster (64Bit + lxde) PCmanFM does not > recognize my android cell-phone when connected via usb cable. > The error message is: > "The name :1.53 was not provided by any .service files" > i just realized the error message occures right after i connect to usb > and before i select "use connection for data - transfer" in android. > > i also tried this: > "mtp://[12d1:107e]/" > in pcmanfm's address bar and received the error message: > "no matching udev device found" > followed by: > "the mentioned location is not mounted". > > Any ideas? > Probably best to contact PCmanFM developers. Doesn't seems like a Debian-related problem, isn't? Best regards!
Re: Authentication for telnet.
From: Andy Smith Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:51:22 + > Is it a case that the hosts you are dealing with ... From: pe...@easthope.ca Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:15:07 -0700 > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, ... Localhost; not hosts. Also, From: peasth...@shaw.ca Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:03:50 -0700 > ... inside my Shorewalled network. From: Andy Smith Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:51:22 + > Is it a case that the hosts you are dealing with are too > underpowered CPU-wise to cope with SSH's encryption? From: peasth...@shaw.ca Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:03:50 -0700 > ... telnet opens in about 1 s. ... ssh requires about 15 s. Any computer built since 1990 should be able to run a plain old terminal session. Regards, ... P. -- https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Medical_Machines Tel: +1 604 670 0140Bcc: peter at easthope. ca
apache only servers text page
Our apache2 is only severing text or code pages instead of html pages. apache did have a "ForceType of text/plain remarking out did not solve the problem. .pl files on the server are also served are code. text/html - is used in all scripts, and it is located in the mime.types we use sublime to edit all of our .pl or .html pages. please advise.
Re: Debian 10 freezes upon shutdown, reboot and logout
Some updates on testing I'm doing: $ init 1 also hangs Booting from grub using init 3 gave me a single chance to reboot without hanging, other variables being acpi=off. But somehow I was not able to reproduce the behaviour. Messages appearing on screen when init 3 was running, or in kernel.log: --- TTM Buffer eviction failed nouveau DRM failed idle channel 0 --- Now the messages below appear while the shutting down (or rebooting) is running its course, so I have no terminal at hand. Just the notifications scrolling: (I took a picture with a mobile and wrote them by hand. Forgive any typos or abbreviations) after init 1 or reboot or shutdown actually INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks: rcu: $3-...0: (0 ticks this GP) idle=51a/1/0x4 rcu: $(detected by 6, t=5252 jiffies, g...) NMI watchdog: Watchdog detected hard LOCKUP on cpu 3 INFO: rcu_sched detected expedited stalls on CPUs/tasks: rcu: blocking rcu_node structures: watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#5 stuck for 23s! [systemd:1] ... repeats in an endless loop ... INFO: task irq/87-ELANO611:556 blocked for more than 120 seconds Tainted: GWOEL4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u1 echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs disables this message ... repeats for other tasks (haveged, systemd-logind, wpa_supplicant, dhclient, QQm1Thread, GlobalQueue, gdbus, ...) ... i2c_transfer+0x51... elan_i2c_get_report+0x1c... ? __switch_to+0x8c/0x440... elan_isr+0x4b... ? __schedule+0x2aa... ? __wake_up_common_lock+... ? irq_finalize_oneshot irq_thread_fn+0x1f... kthread+0x112 ret_from_fork+... watchdog: BUG: soft lockup... Modules linked in: ufs qnx4 hfsplus hfs minix vfat msdos fat jfs xfs dm_mod pc sst_ssp snd_hda_ext_core snd_soc_acpi_intel_match x86_pkg_temp_thermal btbcm irqbypass videobuf2_vmalloc btintel ideapad_l... pcspkr xor btrfs ecb zstd_decompre... xtables autofs4 media pcc_cpufreq... CPU: 5 PID:: 1 Comm: systemd Tainted: G Hardware name: LENOVO 81G3/LNVNB161216, BIOS 6JCN23WW 01/23/2018 RIP: 0010:smp_call_function_many+0x1f8/0x250 Code: c7 e8 6c 3f 5f 00... RAX: 0003 RBX: 9e RCX: fff... RDX: 0001 RSI: RDI: fff9e... RBP: R08: R09: R10:... R11:... R12:... R13:... R14: R15:... FS:... GS:... knlGS:... CS: ... DS: ... ES: ... CRO: CR2: CR3:... CR4: Call Trace: ? tcp_v6_pre_connect... ? add_nops... on_each_cpu... text_poke_bp __jump_label_transform... arch_jump_label... __jump_label_update... __static_key_slow_dec_cpu... __cgroup_bpf_detach... __cgroup_bpf_prog_detach... __x64_sys_bpf... do_syscall_64+0x53/0x110 entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x44/0xa9 RIP: 0033: ... repeat, different memory dump ... Task dump for CPU 3: Xorg R running task Call Trace: ? nvif_object_fini... ?nouveaus_vmm_fini ?nouveau_cli_fini ?nouveau_drm_postcl... ?drm_file_free.part ?drm_release+... ?__fput ?task_work_run... ?do_exit ?handle_mm_fault ?do_group_exit ?__x64_sys_exit_group... do_syscall_64+0x53/0x110 entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x44/0xa9 -- I would prefer to read that on logs instead of a mobile picture... Not sure yet what logs to look (or maybe turn on) dmesg shows only the starting process, not the hanging avenue when trying to shutdown. Thanks for any help or tip. Att., Beco On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 21:27, Beco wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm currently having issues with a LENOVO ideapad320. > > Using Stretch was smooth. But this weekend I've updated to Buster and I'm > having trouble to shutdown the system. > Rebooting also freezes. > > Watchdog says the CPU number #something is 22 seconds froze. > > I usually don't use "logout" since it is my personal laptop and I only > uses KDE, but I've decided to give i3wm a try and because of that I > discovered that not only shutdown and reboot hangs the system, but also > logout. > > I need to finish shutdown with SysReq commands everytime to sync, umount > and turn off. > > Not sure what logs I need to look, but kern.log shows nouveau driver > having problems. Not much to go after, but may be a tip. > Also, I've tried to add ACPI=force to grub, just in case, to test. Nothing > changed. > > A small detail: my var partition is separated from the root. I'm telling > this because in the old system ever reboot gave me a "unable to umount > var". But it was ok. When I installed Stretch in 2018 I researched the > problem and it was only a warning from journal.conf that could be solved by > using "volatile". Anyway, I even considered to move /var to the root just > to test, but after reading more about the problem I decided not to pursue > this way. > > It must be something else... Maybe I could try to remove nouveau just to > test. But since removing and adding nouveau is really hard, and the video > is working great, I want to check with you guys first for more fresh ideas. > > Has anyone had trouble shutting down Buster? What other options do I have > to try to find the problem and
Re: Authentication for telnet.
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 01:33, wrote: > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, > LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet > work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds without login. Ok, the guessing game continues, we're all trying to help you but no-one has a clue what the actual question is, or why, so I'll take a turn... About lxterminal: lxterminal runs a GUI application on your host. It uses libc so that your CPU can communicate directly with your keyboard and screen in the most efficient way possible in GUI land. About telnet: telnet manpage says """ used for interactive communication with another host using the TELNET protocol """ So telnet ... is a tool for using a *network* protocol to communicate with a *remote* host. So that's not efficient at all. Every keystroke goes via the network stack, requiring individual client and server processes, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet The guessing game: So the first puzzle is why you seem to be in some way comparing two vastly different things, lxterminal and telnet. The second puzzle is why you have a legitimate reason to 'telnet localhost' because none of us can think of a good reason. So until you tell us what the good reason is then it appears to us that you are doing something apparently ridiculous due to ignorance (yours or ours). This is a crucial question, please don't skip it if you reply. The third puzzle is whether or not you have a telnet server running on localhost and allowed by any firewall. Because you wrote that > "telnet localhost" succeeds without login. Please show what output do you get when you run 'telnet localhost'. Does it succeed now without login, or is that your unachieved goal? The fourth puzzle is what actually is your actual question. You wrote: > Can this be accomplished by configuration of PAM ? But it's unclear what the word "this" in that sentence actually refers to. A final puzzle is that I vaguely recall from other messages that you use something named Oberon. I'm totally ignorant about Oberon, so I looked at wikipedia [1] which says that Oberon it is an operating sytem with an unusual user interface. So I feel a need to ask, is Oberon involved here? Is this question about software provided by the Debian project? Because that is the unspoken assumption here, and if that is not the case then then our answers might be completely irrelevant. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_(operating_system)
Re: Authentication for telnet.
On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 14:43 +1000, David wrote: [...] > A final puzzle is that I vaguely recall from other > messages that you use something named Oberon. It came up in the discussion of why he breaks threads every time he posts to this list. The X-Mailer header in his emails says 'Oberon Mail' and it seems that MUA doesn't set In-Reply-To or References like it should do. > I'm totally ignorant about Oberon, so I looked at > wikipedia [1] which says that Oberon it is an operating > sytem with an unusual user interface. > So I feel a need to ask, is Oberon involved here? -- Tixy
Re: Authentication for telnet.
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? > > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably > faster than competitors. apt install xterm. Or press Ctrl+Alt+F2, no software installation required. > > ... your request seems to be awfully close to (in)famous A/B > > problem, ... > > I might have read about the A/B Problem years ago but don't recall or > understand well enough. You ask how to do an "A" while what you really need is to do "B", but you don't tell about "B" at all. AKA Perl's "XY" problem - [1]. > > telnetd(8), "-a" and "-L" parameters. > > Just had a look at the parameters (again?) and don't have a clear idea > to set them. Tips welcome. telnetd -a none -L /bin/bash Reco [1] https://www.perlmonks.org/?node=XY+Problem
Re: RStudio in Buster
Mark Fletcher wrote: > If one downloads libssl1.0.2 from the Debian package pool and installs > it, it appears to install OK and RStudio starts working -- but, what > damage / compromise is that likely to have done to the system? Is it OK > to do this? Should one take other steps to prevent libssl1.0.2 being > used by other applications? Usually one application is linked to specific version of one library, but it depends how the software is being compiled. This is also true for the library itself. In the case with libssl1.0.2 you are may be lucky that there is no broken dependency in libssl1.0.2 too and you can use it. What one can do to safely isolate one library is to extract that library "dpkg -x .deb " and then set explicit LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the application or even LD_PRELOAD for the library.
xfce and hybrid sleep: only in menu?
Hi. I saw that the power menu now has support for hybrid sleep and have verified that it works reliably on my system (tracking "testing"). Therefore I wanted to make this mode the default when closing the lid but I can't seem to find this option in the power settings. What gives? :) Andrea.
Re: RStudio in Buster
Hi. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 10:34:17PM +0100, Mark Fletcher wrote: > The most recent package they provide is aiming at Stretch -- they don't > seem to have produced a Buster version yet. It says otherwise here [1]: Studio 1.2.5001 - Ubuntu 18/Debian 10 (64-bit) and here [2]: Supported branches: Debian buster (stable) > The Stretch-facing package installs into Buster without error, but then > fails when you try to launch it because it has a dependency on > libssl1.0.2 and Buster uses libssl1.1 (and presumably this dependency > isn't recorded at the package level) Again, dpkg disagrees with you: $ dpkg -I /tmp/rstudio-1.2.5001-amd64.deb | grep Dep Depends: libedit2, libssl1.0.0 | libssl1.0.2 | libssl1.1, libclang-dev, libxkbcommon-x11-0, libc6 (>= 2.7) > If one downloads libssl1.0.2 from the Debian package pool and installs > it, it appears to install OK and RStudio starts working -- but, what > damage / compromise is that likely to have done to the system? Is it OK > to do this? Should one take other steps to prevent libssl1.0.2 being > used by other applications? I suggest you to update your RStudio package and to forget about libssl1.0. Reco [1] https://rstudio.com/products/rstudio/download/ [2] https://cran.rstudio.com/bin/linux/debian/
Re: Authentication for telnet.
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 15:55, Tixy wrote: > On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 14:43 +1000, David wrote: > > A final puzzle is that I vaguely recall from other > > messages that you use something named Oberon. > It came up in the discussion of why he breaks threads every time he > posts to this list. The X-Mailer header in his emails says 'Oberon > Mail' and it seems that MUA doesn't set In-Reply-To or References like > it should do. Ah yeah, thanks for the reminder. And furthermore ... On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 08:15, wrote: > From: Reco Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably > faster than competitors. I now notice that the reason that "Oberon" was lurking somewhere in my mind as a possible relevant factor is because Peter had in fact mentioned it earlier in this discussion.
