Re: Starting Google Chrome

[Roberto Torres Lomo]

El lun, 15-04-2013 a las 19:09 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD escribió: 
> Dear list -
> 
> Installed Google Chrome.  Can start from the applications dropdown list.
> 
> 1] No desktop icon
> 2] Wish to be able to start from command line so that I can start it 
> with a specific file.
> 
> A search on Google gives the start command as google-chrome.  I can't 
> make it work.
> 
> rosenberg:/home/ethan# google-chrome %U
> bash: google-chrome: command not found
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Ethan
> 
> 
Installing Google Chrome with dpkg doesn't install the dependencies
that the package needs to work. Have you tried running aptitude and
applied the suggested solution to do that?


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Kevin Chadwick]

> > + dropping human readable textfiles in favour of c binary code, which makes 
> > it
> > needless more complex to debug the whole show.  
> 
> That's non-sense. systemd unit files are text-files in ini-like format
> and much more readable then shell scripts with all their boiler plate.

I think you miss the point which is those unit files depend on C code
that is not as easy to follow or as well documented as tools which
follow the unix philosophy such as grep and you also don't seem
to have read between the lines about the detail of "more complex to
debug".

In any case systemd has had more attention than it deserves so look
inthis archive or likely any other archive (Gentoos a good one for
a balanced view) and lwn.net for the arguments and make your own
decision. Just don't believe the hype and understand that many pages on
freedesktop.org aren't official or balanced but abused as if they are.

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Error kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank (Squeeze 6.0.7)

[nnmbnmbnmnm .]

i am using Debian squeeze 6.0.7 with RAID 1. all is working well.
system got 32 GB RAM.

here is my dstat output

 used  buff  cach free
152M  5240k  56.7M   31.3G

however i am getting these messages when my system starts

root@acivirtsrv:~# dmesg | grep 'failed for threshold'
[2.146793] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.147039] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.147286] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.147532] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.147779] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.148025] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.148321] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.148998] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.149246] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.149492] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.149764] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.150010] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.150257] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.150504] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.150751] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.150998] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.151245] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.151492] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.151739] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.152006] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.152253] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.152907] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.153151] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.153397] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.153650] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.
[2.153903] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
-EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
directory.

Please help.

Thanks,


MYK

Re: administration of initscripts

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:33:47AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> I think you miss the point which is those unit files depend on C code

So do classic init scripts:

$ file /sbin/init
/sbin/init: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), 
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, 
BuildID[sha1]=0x313c383bcfc5369dd98468b31190be2e9b24df74, stripped
$ dpkg -S /sbin/init
sysvinit: /sbin/init
$ apt-cache show sysvinit | grep -i implemented
Tag: admin::boot, admin::configuring, implemented-in::c,

> that is not as easy to follow or as well documented as tools which
> follow the unix philosophy such as grep

grep works just fine on C code, but it's a rather blunt instrument
and not the smartest way to work on C, that's true. Luckily the Debian
archive is brimming over with tried and tested tools for that purpose
(see e.g. ctags)

> and you also don't seem to have read between the lines about the detail of
> "more complex to debug".

Michael doesn't need to read between any lines, I'm willing to bet he's one of
the most well informed people in this thread RE: systemd. He's actually run
systemd, works on the Debian package and triaged many of the bug reports.

> In any case systemd has had more attention than it deserves so look
> inthis archive or likely any other archive (Gentoos a good one for
> a balanced view) and lwn.net for the arguments and make your own
> decision. Just don't believe the hype and understand that many pages on
> freedesktop.org aren't official or balanced but abused as if they are.

What does 'official' mean?


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 09:20:03PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Lets not pollute this useful thread with systemd

It seems a thread about init systems and administration/tweaking of them is the
most appropriate place for systemd to be mentioned. Not least that it can solve
the problem the OP had. It should not be ignored or avoided from being
mentioned just because some people hate it. Some people hate sysvinit. What we
should not do is 'pollute' the thread with any misinformed bias or non
objective statements about the suitability of something for a particular job.
Let's stick to facts.

> but I will say it would be the absolute last on my list and actually systemd
> itself is incomptible with BSD not just udev and from my experience would be
> laughed out of the room by BSD devs even if it was POSIX compliant.

Luckily we're on a Debian mailing list, then, isn't it, and not a BSD one!


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huawei e169 +asterisk

[binary dreamer]

hi. i am running debian 6.0.6 that has asterisk on it.
i am trying to install chan_dongle to make use of my Huawei e169 usb, to
make/receive calls.
after following the instructions
http://wiki.e1550.mobi/doku.php?id=installation
i do the ./configure, but it stops to the make. it gives me errors.
is there a way to overcome this issue?

Re: huawei e169 +asterisk

[Darac Marjal]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:36:14PM +0300, binary dreamer wrote:
>hi. i am running debian 6.0.6 that has asterisk on it.
>i am trying to install chan_dongle to make use of my Huawei e169 usb, to
>make/receive calls.
>after following the instructions
>[1]http://wiki.e1550.mobi/doku.php?id=installation
>i do the ./configure, but it stops to the make. it gives me errors.
>is there a way to overcome this issue?

We don't have crystal balls here. It would probably help if we could see
WHAT the errors were (unless you want a snarky answer such as "fix the
errors").



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Re: huawei e169 +asterisk

[binary dreamer]

Sorry, my mistake. i forgot to mention the errors:

root@debPBX:/usr/src/dongle-read-only# automake -a
configure.in:6: installing `./config.guess'
configure.in:6: installing `./config.sub'
configure.in:7: installing `./install-sh'
configure.in:7: installing `./missing'
automake: no `Makefile.am' found for any configure output
root@debPBX:/usr/src/dongle-read-only#







On 04/16/2013 01:39 PM, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:36:14PM +0300, binary dreamer wrote:

hi. i am running debian 6.0.6 that has asterisk on it.
i am trying to install chan_dongle to make use of my Huawei e169 usb, to
make/receive calls.
after following the instructions
[1]http://wiki.e1550.mobi/doku.php?id=installation
i do the ./configure, but it stops to the make. it gives me errors.
is there a way to overcome this issue?

We don't have crystal balls here. It would probably help if we could see
WHAT the errors were (unless you want a snarky answer such as "fix the
errors").

Re: Starting Google Chrome

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:08:44PM -0400, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
> On 04/15/2013 07:59 PM, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 07:48:39PM -0400, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
> >>Kumar -
> >>
> >>Thanks.
> >>
> >>  It would be useful to know how you installed Google Chrome. If you
> >>  have installed it from the deb file, google-chrome should be the
> >>  executable.
> >>
> >>Package Manager.
> >
> >I installed the Google Chrome deb file downloaded from the Chrome
> >website¹, and that did put a file called google-chrome in /usr/bin
> >
> >To check the contents of the package, you can use dpkg -L 
> >google-chrome-stable
> >
> >Hope this helps.
> >
> >Kumar
> >
> >¹: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
> 
> =
> Kumar -
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> rosenberg:/home/ethan/Desktop#  dpkg -L google-chrome-stable
> dpkg-query: package 'google-chrome-stable' is not installed

Then download it from here:

https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/

Get the deb, and run dpkg -i 

That should install it.

Kumar
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Re: huawei e169 +asterisk

[Tom Grace]

On 16/04/13 12:12, binary dreamer wrote:
> Sorry, my mistake. i forgot to mention the errors:
> 
> root@debPBX:/usr/src/dongle-read-only# automake -a
> configure.in:6: installing `./config.guess'
> configure.in:6: installing `./config.sub'
> configure.in:7: installing `./install-sh'
> configure.in:7: installing `./missing'
> automake: no `Makefile.am' found for any configure output
> root@debPBX:/usr/src/dongle-read-only#
> 

Did you try from a tarball, rather than SVN ? You might have an easier
time with that.


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Re: Error kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank (Squeeze 6.0.7)

[nnmbnmbnmnm .]

it was a kernel bug, downgrading or upgrading may resolve the issue. in my
case upgrade works.


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:25 PM, nnmbnmbnmnm .  wrote:

> i am using Debian squeeze 6.0.7 with RAID 1. all is working well.
> system got 32 GB RAM.
>
> here is my dstat output
>
>  used  buff  cach free
> 152M  5240k  56.7M   31.3G
>
> however i am getting these messages when my system starts
>
> root@acivirtsrv:~# dmesg | grep 'failed for threshold'
> [2.146793] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.147039] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.147286] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.147532] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.147779] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.148025] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.148321] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.148998] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.149246] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.149492] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.149764] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.150010] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.150257] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.150504] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.150751] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.150998] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.151245] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.151492] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.151739] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.152006] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.152253] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.152907] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.153151] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank0 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.153397] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank1 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.153650] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank2 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
> [2.153903] kobject_add_internal failed for threshold_bank5 with
> -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same
> directory.
>
> Please help.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> MYK
>
>
>

Re: Starting Google Chrome

[Sarunas Burdulis]

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On 04/15/2013 11:13 PM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
> On 04/15/2013 09:41 PM, Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On 04/15/2013 07:09 PM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
>>> Dear list -
>>>
>>> Installed Google Chrome.  Can start from the applications dropdown list.
>>>
>>> 1] No desktop icon
>>> 2] Wish to be able to start from command line so that I can start it
>>> with a specific file.
>>>
>>> A search on Google gives the start command as google-chrome.  I can't
>>> make it work.
>>>
>>> rosenberg:/home/ethan# google-chrome %U
>>> bash: google-chrome: command not found
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Show what's installed:
>>
>> dpkg -l \*google\* | grep ^i
>>
>> Find out what has been installed from a given package,
>> e.g. from 'google-chrome-stable':
>>
>> dpkg -L google-chrome-stable
>>
>> Or filter for binaries:
>>
>> dpkg -L google-chrome-stable| grep bin
>>
>> Sarunas
>>
> ==
> Sarunas -
> 
> google-chrome not installed.
> 
> 1]How do I find out what is installed?

dpkg -l

> 2] ow do I properly install google chrome

Download from google.com (select Debian/Ubuntu package .deb).

As root, while in the directory where the downloaded file is,
run `dpkg -i downloaded_file`, e.g.:

dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb

If the above fails with dependency errors (not uncommon), then run:

apt-get -f install

which should install missing dependencies and then complete the
installation of google-chrome. This package from Google not only
installs google-chrome, but also adds Google's package repository to
your system, so the updates to google-chrome will be installed with
regular Debian package management tools.

Sarunas Burdulis
http://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas
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Re: huawei e169 +asterisk

[binary dreamer]

On 04/16/2013 02:54 PM, Tom Grace wrote:

On 16/04/13 12:12, binary dreamer wrote:

Sorry, my mistake. i forgot to mention the errors:

root@debPBX:/usr/src/dongle-read-only# automake -a
configure.in:6: installing `./config.guess'
configure.in:6: installing `./config.sub'
configure.in:7: installing `./install-sh'
configure.in:7: installing `./missing'
automake: no `Makefile.am' found for any configure output
root@debPBX:/usr/src/dongle-read-only#


Did you try from a tarball, rather than SVN ? You might have an easier
time with that.





this is the output after the tarball extraction.
root@debPBX:/usr/src/chan_dongle-1.1.r14# make
gcc -g -O2 -O6 -I.  -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include -I/usr/include 
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -fvisibility=hidden -fPIC -Wall -Wextra -MD -MT app.o 
-MF .app.o.d -MP  -o app.o -c app.c

In file included from app.c:21:
/usr/include/asterisk/version.h:1:2: error: #error "Do not include 
'asterisk/version.h'; use 'asterisk/ast_version.h' instead."

app.c: In function 'app_status_exec':
app.c:37: warning: missing initializer
app.c:37: warning: (near initialization for 'args.resource')
app.c: In function 'app_send_sms_exec':
app.c:82: warning: missing initializer
app.c:82: warning: (near initialization for 'args.device')
app.c: In function 'app_register':
app.c:162: warning: passing argument 2 of 'ast_register_application2' 
from incompatible pointer type
/usr/include/asterisk/module.h:458: note: expected 'int (*)(struct 
ast_channel *, const char *)' but argument is of type 'int (*)(struct 
ast_channel *, void *)'

make: *** [app.o] Error 1
root@debPBX:/usr/src/chan_dongle-1.1.r14#

i have tried all versions from r10 to r14 and i am getting the same problem.






i have tried all the versions from

Re: Starting Google Chrome

[Linux-Fan]

On 04/16/2013 01:09 AM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
> Dear list -
> 
> Installed Google Chrome.  Can start from the applications dropdown list.
> 
> 1] No desktop icon
> 2] Wish to be able to start from command line so that I can start it
> with a specific file.
> 
> A search on Google gives the start command as google-chrome.  I can't
> make it work.
> 
> rosenberg:/home/ethan# google-chrome %U
> bash: google-chrome: command not found
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Ethan

When you have chrome or chromium installed, you might find out the
binary name with

$ ls /usr/bin /usr/local/bin | grep -F chrom

(do not use "chrome" to also find chromium, on my system the command
results in only one line: "chromium-browser").

This should work regardless of how you installed, except for when you
have "installed" it by extracting the files to some uncommon location.

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debian wiki's mirror

[låzaro]

Hi, some peoples in my country have not internet access (please, do not
ask whay) and will be very good if we could have mirror of the debian's
wiki, so I wonder if exist some way for make a mirror of the wiki.


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Yaro Kasear]

On 04/16/2013 04:33 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:

+ dropping human readable textfiles in favour of c binary code, which makes it
needless more complex to debug the whole show.

That's non-sense. systemd unit files are text-files in ini-like format
and much more readable then shell scripts with all their boiler plate.

I think you miss the point which is those unit files depend on C code
that is not as easy to follow or as well documented as tools which
follow the unix philosophy such as grep and you also don't seem
to have read between the lines about the detail of "more complex to
debug".

In any case systemd has had more attention than it deserves so look
inthis archive or likely any other archive (Gentoos a good one for
a balanced view) and lwn.net for the arguments and make your own
decision. Just don't believe the hype and understand that many pages on
freedesktop.org aren't official or balanced but abused as if they are.

The Unix Philosophy is overapplied and used way too much like gospel. Is 
it a bad approach to system software? No, of course not! Is it the One 
True Way and Every Other Other Way the worst/evil? No, of course not!


The problem with the Unix Philosophy is it was created in a day where 
its design principles actually were essential. Today it really is less 
important and in some ways detrimental in software engineering.


Am I saying the "do everything" approach is best? Absolutely not. But 
that's not systemd's goal either. It's just expanded from being merely a 
drop-in init replacement with a nice feature set to being something that 
is probably better for Linux, being a full-scale system manager with 
init-like capabilities.


The problem with those "objective" views of systemd you speak of is that 
they're entirely based on incorrect assertions of precisely how systemd 
works. A lot of people, for example, automatically assume that systemd 
is "against" shell scripts. This is simply not true. It can run shell 
scripts, even init scripts, just fine. It's just that it identifies that 
shell scripts needn't be a *requirement* in bringing up or breaking down 
a system. It really is better for the init system to use a minimal 
approach to invoking daemons as systemd does and no initscript does. And 
of course, if you need to do more than just "run a binary" in the unit 
file, systemd doesn't stop you from using an initscript approach either.


As far as "C code that is easy to follow and is well documented" I 
should point out a couple things.


I don't see why it's important to know how systemd works at the SOURCE 
level to write a unit. Unit files are very simple and systemd has very 
well-written documentation on how to make/interpret unit files for 
yourself. I should also point out that those "Unix Philosophy" tools you 
cite, as well are "C code that is not easy to follow and is not well 
documented." Ever try to grok grep's source code? Have you ever needed 
to to understant how you use it?


Systemd is just as open source as any other compiled program you use on 
Linux, and I find this argument lacking in merit. I'm a programmer. I'd 
like to think I'm a skilled programmer. Do I REALLY need to know how 
GCC, the Linux kernel, Xorg, vi, ZSH, or any other of my tools are 
programmed to use them? Nope. All I need is good documentation on how to 
use them (And whatever APIs I program with.).


Further, I also don't see it essential to delve into systemd's source 
code to debug unit files. In fact, I do believe systemd provides more 
than a suffificient framework to debug unit files. It just won't provide 
one to debug whatever it launches. Code quality of someone else's 
programming is not and should not be a goal of systemd. If you're using 
a buggy initscript in systemd, then look at the initscript, which 
systemd merely launched.


I concede there's plenty of hype about systemd. But SysV really does 
need to be laid to rest, and Upstart does things in a very backwards 
way. OpenRC is good, but not as fast/flexible/well supported as systemd, 
and was primarily designed for Gentoo.


Conrad


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Re: huawei e169 +asterisk

[Tom Grace]

On 16/04/13 13:54, binary dreamer wrote:
> i have tried all versions from r10 to r14 and i am getting the same problem.

I just tried, following the instructions on the page you linked with no
problems, other than a missing libxml building asterisk. My system is as
follows:
$ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a
6.0.6
Linux sf-squeeze-64 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012
x86_64 GNU/Linux

The exact process I followed is:

sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` gcc g++ make libnewt-dev
libncurses5-dev openssl libssl-dev zlib1g-dev libxml2-dev
wget
http://downloads.asterisk.org/pub/telephony/asterisk/releases/asterisk-1.6.2.13.tar.gz
tar zxvf asterisk-1.6.2.13.tar.gz
cd asterisk-1.6.2.13
make clean && ./configure --disable-xmldocs && make && sudo make install
&& sudo make config
cd ..
wget
http://asterisk-chan-dongle.googlecode.com/files/chan_dongle-1.1.r14.tgz
tar xvf chan_dongle-1.1.r14.tgz
cd chan_dongle-1.1.r14
./configure --enable-manager --enable-apps
make
sudo make install

I have not tried building against the Debian packaged versions of
Asterisk, and you may have more luck asking the developers of
asterisk-chan-dongle about it.


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vnc server

[ChadDavis]

I'm a bit confused about what package is the vnc server that I need to run
in order to remote desktop into my machine.  Installed by default is a
"vino" and it says that it is a "VNC server for Gnome".  But when I search
about how to set up a vnc server on the internet, I keep finding vnc4server
package referenced instead.

Is vino a server?

Re: Starting Google Chrome

[Patrick Bartek]

- Original Message -
> From: "Ethan Rosenberg, PhD" 
> To: Debian Users List 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:09 PM
> Subject: Starting Google Chrome
> 
> Dear list -
> 
> Installed Google Chrome.  Can start from the applications dropdown list.
> 
> 1] No desktop icon
> 2] Wish to be able to start from command line so that I can start it with a 
> specific file.
> 
> A search on Google gives the start command as google-chrome.  I can't make 
> it work.
> 
> rosenberg:/home/ethan# google-chrome %U
> bash: google-chrome: command not found
> 
> Any ideas?


Use the full path to the executable.

B


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Michael,


Excerpt from Michael Biebl:


--  --
 + dropping human readable textfiles in favour of c binary code, which
 makes it
 needless more complex to debug the whole show.
>>> That's non-sense. systemd unit files are text-files in ini-like format
>>> and much more readable then shell scripts with all their boiler plate.
>> I think it was more in reference to the systemd journal, which is not
>> plaintext by any means.
> 
> It is by no means c binary code either.
> It is like saying gzipped log files are c binary code.

I stand corrected. If i have time i might teach myself better the ins- and outs
of systemd.


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Re: vnc server

[Bob Proulx]

ChadDavis wrote:
> I'm a bit confused about what package is the vnc server that I need to run
> in order to remote desktop into my machine.

With VNC there are two parts, the client and the server.  Normally you
start the server first and then connect to it with a client.

  $ vncserver
  New 'localhost:1 (rwp)' desktop is localhost:1
  Starting applications specified in /home/rwp/.vnc/xstartup
  Log file is /home/rwp/.vnc/localhost:1.log

Then connect to it.  It said :1 above so connect to :1.  (You can also
specify the display to start.)

  $ xvncviewer :1
  Password: ...

The vncserver and xvncviewer names use the Debian Alternatives
system.  You can read more about that here:

  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives

Those names will always point to the "best" or "manually selected"
currently installed vnc client and server.  It could be "vnc4".  It
could be "tightvnc".  It could be a different one.

Same as:
  $ vnc4server
  $ xvnc4viewer
Or:
  $ tightvncserver
  $ tightxvncviewer

At different times different projects leapfrog each other.  At one
time I liked the performance of tightvnc and preferred it.  But recent
versions are buggy for me and so currently I recommend vnc4 as best
for the most trouble free operation.  Historically there will be a
lot of documentation about both of those available on the web.

And then people found that starting a server was inconvenient.
Wouldn't it be better to export the current desktop?  Instead of
exporting a new, unique and different desktop?  It is possible.  There
have been various techniques.  Previously it was needed to load the
x11vnc X11 module when starting X and then you could use xvncviewer to
connect to the primary desktop instead of starting a new one.  GNOME 2
and some others now do this automatically.  (I don't know about GNOME
3.)  It is disabled by default for security.  If you walk through the
menus you will find something about desktop sharing where you can
enable it.

Here is the Debian wiki page with more information and pointers.

  http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer

> Installed by default is a "vino" and it says that it is a "VNC
> server for Gnome".  But when I search about how to set up a vnc
> server on the internet, I keep finding vnc4server package referenced
> instead.
> 
> Is vino a server?

Sorry I know nothing about vino.  But I hope sharing the above about
vnc in general was helpful.  The package page says that vino is a vnc
server for GNOME 2 and isn't available with GNOME 3.  If you are using
GNOME 2 then walk through the menus and turn it on and then connect to
it using xvncviewer.  If you are using GNOME 3 then I think you are
out of luck and would need to do something different.  What I have no
idea.

Bob


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Re: Fixing a half-configured package

[sirquijote]

Thanks to everyone who responded on this issue.  Following the advice I
managed to get this sorted.

Cheers :)



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Starting Google Chrome

[Ethan Rosenberg, PhD]

Dear list -

This will be a combined reply to all the suggestions I received:

ethan@rosenberg:~/Desktop$  ls -l /usr/bin /usr/local/bin | grep -F chrom
-rwxr-xr-x 1 rootroot3256 Apr  2 09:30 chromium
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rootroot  32 Apr  6 01:13 google-chrome -> 
/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome


ethan@rosenberg:~/Desktop$ dpkg -l \*google\* | grep ^i
ii  google-chrome-stable   26.0.1410.63-r192696 
 i386 The web browser from Google



Installing Google Chrome with dpkg doesn't install the dependencies
that the package needs to work. Have you tried running aptitude and
applied the suggested solution to do that?

Yes - See below

rosenberg:/home/ethan# apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 259 not upgraded.

dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb

works w/ errors.

apt-get -f install

completes the installation

Found a desktop file and converted to run the Credits/Purchases program

[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Name=Credit/Purchases Program
GenericName=Web Browser
X-GNOME-FullName=Google Chrome
Comment=Web browser from Google
Exec=/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome localhost/choice.php
Icon=/opt/google/chrome/product_logo_48.png
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=GNOME;GTK;Network;WebBrowser;
StartupNotify=true
Actions=Chrome;Incognito;Separator;Amazon;AOLMAIL;Facebook;FreeTv;Drive;GooglePlayMusic;Gmail;Torrentz;UbuntuOne;Youtube;Separator2;GoogleR$
Name[en_US]=Credit/Purchases Program
X-Ayatana-Desktop-Shortcuts=Chrome;
X-Desktop-File-Install-Version=0.20

[Desktop Action Chrome]
Name=Chrome
Exec=/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome


DONE!!!

THANKS TO ALL!

Ethan


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Re: huawei e169 +asterisk

[binary]

Στις 16/4/2013 6:57 μμ, ο/η Tom Grace έγραψε:

On 16/04/13 13:54, binary dreamer wrote:

i have tried all versions from r10 to r14 and i am getting the same problem.

I just tried, following the instructions on the page you linked with no
problems, other than a missing libxml building asterisk. My system is as
follows:
$ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a
6.0.6
Linux sf-squeeze-64 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012
x86_64 GNU/Linux

The exact process I followed is:

sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` gcc g++ make libnewt-dev
libncurses5-dev openssl libssl-dev zlib1g-dev libxml2-dev
wget
http://downloads.asterisk.org/pub/telephony/asterisk/releases/asterisk-1.6.2.13.tar.gz
tar zxvf asterisk-1.6.2.13.tar.gz
cd asterisk-1.6.2.13
make clean && ./configure --disable-xmldocs && make && sudo make install
&& sudo make config
cd ..
wget
http://asterisk-chan-dongle.googlecode.com/files/chan_dongle-1.1.r14.tgz
tar xvf chan_dongle-1.1.r14.tgz
cd chan_dongle-1.1.r14
./configure --enable-manager --enable-apps
make
sudo make install

I have not tried building against the Debian packaged versions of
Asterisk, and you may have more luck asking the developers of
asterisk-chan-dongle about it.





thanks a lot for the answer.
i have done a clean install of debian
root@debPBX:/usr/src/chan_dongle-1.1.r14# uname -a
Linux debPBX 2.6.32-5-486 #1 Mon Feb 25 00:22:26 UTC 2013 i586 GNU/Linux
root@debPBX:/usr/src/chan_dongle-1.1.r14#

and i have taken from the beginning the instructions and it still fails. 
the only difference is that i am installing asterisk version 11.3

what am i doing wrong?




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Re: How to get Debian live running from flash with persistence

[Christer Oldhoff]

Hi Michael,

On 2013-04-15 15:26, Michael Heerdegen wrote:
>> [...]
> 
> Thanks for the hints, it now works!  I labeled the partition
> `persistence', but to get it work, I also had to put a persistence.conf
> file on it.
> [...]
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Michael.
> 
I´m glad I could help.

You were apparently stuck at the same point as I before I stumbled upon
the informative man page.

Regards,
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Re: huawei e169 +asterisk

[Tom Grace]

On 16/04/13 19:04, binary wrote:
> thanks a lot for the answer.
> i have done a clean install of debian
> root@debPBX:/usr/src/chan_dongle-1.1.r14# uname -a
> Linux debPBX 2.6.32-5-486 #1 Mon Feb 25 00:22:26 UTC 2013 i586 GNU/Linux
> root@debPBX:/usr/src/chan_dongle-1.1.r14#
> 
> and i have taken from the beginning the instructions and it still fails.
> the only difference is that i am installing asterisk version 11.3
> what am i doing wrong?

I think the issue you are having is to do with building against a
different version of Asterisk. I'm not familiar enough with either
Asterisk or chan_dongle to say where the issue might be. It would
probably be better at this point to ask someone from the Asterisk
project, via IRC or mailing lists.

If you find an answer, it would be useful to reply, just for the benefit
of those that find this thread later.

Tom


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Re: How to get Debian live running from flash with persistence

[Brian]

On Mon 15 Apr 2013 at 21:29:22 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Brian wrote:
> > That cannot happen. Updating the system might alter grub.cfg but GRUB
> > itself is not installed or reinstalled to, for example, the MBR of any
> > disk.
> 
> This is not entirely correct.  You need to put all grub* packages on hold to
> make sure it won't ever update the boot loader itself.

It is entirely correct. Although the OP may not have realised it, he was
concerned whether

   grub-install /dev/sdX

was executed during an upgrade or dist-upgrade. He may have thought it
could occur during installing new GRUB packages or a new kernel. If it
does I've never experienced anything like this happening. Of course,
there may be a script which does this and I have overlooked it.


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Kevin Chadwick]

> > Lets not pollute this useful thread with systemd  
> 
> It seems a thread about init systems and administration/tweaking of them is 
> the
> most appropriate place for systemd to be mentioned. Not least that it can 
> solve
> the problem the OP had. It should not be ignored or avoided from being
> mentioned just because some people hate it. Some people hate sysvinit. What we
> should not do is 'pollute' the thread with any misinformed bias or non
> objective statements about the suitability of something for a particular job.
> Let's stick to facts.
> 

Fair enough. I would always agree with that. I will say I am not biased
in any way by my usage of BSD.

> > but I will say it would be the absolute last on my list and actually systemd
> > itself is incomptible with BSD not just udev and from my experience would be
> > laughed out of the room by BSD devs even if it was POSIX compliant.  
> 
> Luckily we're on a Debian mailing list, then, isn't it, and not a BSD one!

>>> Systemd has "assimilated" udev, in a manner of speaking. Udev can still 
>>> run completely without systemd, but for system builders they have to 
>>> take a lot of extra steps to seperate udev from systemd and install it. 
>>> Worse, some devs of systemd want to fully integrate udev into systemd 
>>> and make it so you can't use udev without systemd. This is bad for many 
>>> distributions as systemd may not be an option. Debian is an example: 
>>> Debian has a couple pet prijects to be ported to things
>>> like HURD and BSD, which do not provide kernel features absolutely 
>>> necessary for systemd. Some Gentoo developers have forked udev for this 
>>> reason.

I was merely replying to a few mails at once noting that the above
suggests udev is the only non posix part. Systemd is too, such as
cgroups which if you search for on the OpenBSD list you will see strong
arguments for them actually being practically pointless. I haven't the
time to look it up or talk about it here but it shouldn't be hard to
find.

Please also note that it is not about Linux or BSD either but POSIX.
Without POSIX Linux negates itself from some major projects and
turning POSIX into Linux only, negates POSIX.

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Re: administration of initscripts

[Kevin Chadwick]

> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:33:47AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > I think you miss the point which is those unit files depend on C code
> 
> So do classic init scripts:
> 
> $ file /sbin/init
> /sbin/init: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), 
> dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, 
> BuildID[sha1]=0x313c383bcfc5369dd98468b31190be2e9b24df74, stripped
> $ dpkg -S /sbin/init
> sysvinit: /sbin/init
> $ apt-cache show sysvinit | grep -i implemented
> Tag: admin::boot, admin::configuring, implemented-in::c,
> 

Yes and do you know it was designed to do just what it does for a good
reason in 32 kb of code. Hello world is 8kb

> > that is not as easy to follow or as well documented as tools which
> > follow the unix philosophy such as grep
> 
> grep works just fine on C code, but it's a rather blunt instrument
> and not the smartest way to work on C, that's true. Luckily the Debian
> archive is brimming over with tried and tested tools for that purpose
> (see e.g. ctags)
> 

I am saying it is easy for anyone to follow edit and lookup a man page
and even the c code of grep which isn't as complex as you make out and
even reduce the c to what is needed if desired in an embedded grep and
with a guarantee that any change can be made by users wherever they
like for any task and cross platform, all of which are good things.
What systemd offers is actually very little when you consider most of
it simply utilises what Unix already offers and it does take away and
divides not unites communities such as deep embedded from well very few
distros and a tiny minority of the roll your own mobile world.

> > and you also don't seem to have read between the lines about the detail of
> > "more complex to debug".
> 
> Michael doesn't need to read between any lines, I'm willing to bet he's one of
> the most well informed people in this thread RE: systemd. He's actually run
> systemd, works on the Debian package and triaged many of the bug reports.
> 

Are you trying to say I haven't ran systemd? This is the kind of
rubbish I was trying to avoid. 

> > In any case systemd has had more attention than it deserves so look
> > inthis archive or likely any other archive (Gentoos a good one for
> > a balanced view) and lwn.net for the arguments and make your own
> > decision. Just don't believe the hype and understand that many pages on
> > freedesktop.org aren't official or balanced but abused as if they are.
> 
> What does 'official' mean?
> 

If you look at freedesktop.org you will see it has official
freedesktop.org hosted projects.

Then there are things like systemd which has lots of completely
incorrect information written by one guy. One of the latest to be
flaunted around being his systemd myths which misses out all the
important arguments and skirts around the ones he actually does try to
address. I'm sure he has read LWN, so why he hasn't addressed the
arguments or allowed comments I shall let you decide upon.



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Unexpected results attempting to install Squeeze(6.0.5) to USB flash drive

[Richard Owlett]

CAUTION: My goal does *NOT* resemble a normal install

I want to do a full install to a USB flash drive (thumb 
drive). I am not looking to run the installer ISO from the 
flash drive. I do not want a "LIVE install" with or without 
persistence.


Due to constraints of another personal project I first 
investigated using LILO as bootloader. I made several tries 
and always ended up in some sort of CLI shell.


*QUESTION:* Before I start a futile trouble shooting 
procedure, is LILO known to work when installed from the 
Debian 6.0.5 set of DVDs?


My second attempt was using Grub 1.99. It almost worked 
satisfactorily. As I saw no way to disable OS_PROBER(sp?) 
during the install, the menu written to the flash drive 
includes the Operating Systems on the piece of hardware used 
to write the flash drive.
This is obviously a problem when wishing to run Debian on 
another set of hardware.


*QUESTION:* Is there a way to defeat/disable OS_PROBER(sp?) 
during installation?



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Re: administration of initscripts

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 09:06:31PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Yes and do you know it was designed to do just what it does for a good
> reason in 32 kb of code. Hello world is 8kb

Not relevant to choosing an init system.

> I am saying it is easy for anyone to follow edit and lookup a man page
> and even the c code of grep

Ah, I misunderstood you, I thought you meant init scripts were easy to
debug using grep.

> What systemd offers is actually very little when you consider most of
> it simply utilises what Unix already offers and it does take away and
> divides not unites communities such as deep embedded from well very few
> distros and a tiny minority of the roll your own mobile world.

Sorry I couldn't understand this bit.

> Are you trying to say I haven't ran systemd?

No, if I meant that I would say that directly.


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Re: Unexpected results attempting to install Squeeze(6.0.5) to USB flash drive

[Tom Furie]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 02:46:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> *QUESTION:* Is there a way to defeat/disable OS_PROBER(sp?) during
> installation?

Os-prober is at most a 'recommends' of grub. You can quite easily not
install it if you wish.

I'm not sure if os-prober can be skipped if it's installed. I would
expect so but can't offer advice as I don't currently have os-prober
installed anywhere.

Cheers,
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Re: administration of initscripts

[Kevin Chadwick]

> > Yes and do you know it was designed to do just what it does for a good
> > reason in 32 kb of code. Hello world is 8kb  
> 
> Not relevant to choosing an init system.

I believe very strongly that it is. universality with Linux supporting
smaller and smaller Arm chips is part of what I was touching on in the
paragraph you had a hard time deciphering. This is something BSD is
having a hard time competing with atleast in my experience of wanting
to be able to use BSD.

I also believe using that much processing and memory is fundamentally
flawed for a tool which may only be required to start processes, can
have functionality bolted on easily and users should have the right to
a simple and guaranteed secure and easily auditible init which Lennart
would not allow if he had his way.

And please don't reply to this with his (not his actually) sandboxing
rubbish which a is next to useless and b can be used anyway or the
taking code from daemons and generalising it to make safer daemons
rubbish.

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Re: administration of initscripts

[Roger Leigh]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:21:00AM -0500, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> [systemd] has a concurrent startup, meaning it brings a system up and down
> *very* quickly by starting independent units at the same time.
> Standard SysV init generally cannot do this, though it's hard to
> account for how initscripts will work, but I've not seen many
> distributions try and fashion a fully concurrent init system through
> init scripts.

Both Debian and SuSE use insserv to build a dependency graph of the
script relations, and startpar to run the scripts in the correct
order by traversing the graph; this can (and does) enable proper
parallelisation.

> OpenRC allegedly also has concurrent startup, but when
> using it on Gentoo I've never seen it boot as fast as systemd brings
> up Arch.

While OpenRC can certainly start things in parallel, its design
involves local recursion to solve dependencies by iteratively
invoking dependencies, and checking whether or not a given service is
started.  This has the virtue of simplicity, but some things are not
possible (inverse dependencies such as X-Starts-Before) [or more
accurately are extremely expensive since you would have to evaluate
every script's deps at every point] since there isn't a "global"
overview--you're traversing the graph node by node without being able
to see anything except the edges at that one node.

In general, the OpenRC design is nice, but being able to introspect
all the dependencies once rather than repeated evaluation would be
a very nice improvement.  Automatic startup of dependencies is great,
and one thing LSB scripts don't currently do.


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Roger Leigh]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 09:09:15PM +0200, Thilo Six wrote:
> > update-rc.d foo disable|enable
> > 
> > is one method.
> 
> Thank you for sharing this!
> It might be a nuisance but running the stop part of the initscript isn't the
> same as not touching it all?

Sorry, I don't quite understand the question here.  update-rc.d
never starts or stops anything--all it does is adjust the rc.d
links.


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Re: Unexpected results attempting to install Squeeze(6.0.5) to USB flash drive

[Brian]

On Tue 16 Apr 2013 at 14:46:07 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> My second attempt was using Grub 1.99. It almost worked
> satisfactorily. As I saw no way to disable OS_PROBER(sp?) during the
> install, the menu written to the flash drive includes the Operating
> Systems on the piece of hardware used to write the flash drive.
> This is obviously a problem when wishing to run Debian on another
> set of hardware.

It only takes a few moments to disable os-prober in /etc/default/grub
and run 'update-grub' at the first boot, so the problem is hardly a
biggie.

> *QUESTION:* Is there a way to defeat/disable OS_PROBER(sp?) during
> installation?

If you must:

After getting the installer components switch to a console. Then

   mv /bin/os-prober /bin/os-prober-orig


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Bob Proulx]

Rick Thomas wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> >I have been using Debian for many years now.  In all of that time  I
> >have never wanted to "manage" init scripts.  I always wonder.  What
> >are people trying to do?
> 
> For an example of where one will want to "manage" the init scripts,
> take a look at the thread in debian-user with subject "Serveur with
> encrypted partition : 2 steps boot." started by er...@rail.eu.org .

Uhm... yes.  And if you read that thread you will notice that I did
already post the first response in it.  :-)  I did even mention
modifying the init scripts as one possible way.  It was my first
suggestion.  But I also suggested an alternative way too that did not
change the init scripts at all.

> In fact, if you can give any helpful advice on the subject, I'm sure
> Erwan would be grateful.  And so would I, as it happens.  I've had a
> similar problem a couple of times and kludged around it (or decided
> on a different solution entirely) and I'd love to have a solution
> that "just works".

That case is actually a good example of a case where I saw no reason
to manage init scripts in it.  That doesn't mean I think that
modifying the start links is wrong.  There is more than one way to do
it.  It just means that *I* wouldn't do it in that case.  It doesn't
need it.

And so I am still looking for a good case example for it. :-)

Bob


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Re: Serveur with encrypted partition : 2 steps boot.

[Bob Proulx]

Erwan David wrote:
> update-rc.d dovecot disable 2
> reboot, indeed dovecot is not started
> telinit 3
> dovecot does not start (even if there is a Sxxdovecot in /etc/rc3.d)

Hmm...  It should start.  I just tested this on a service locally and
it starts for me.  are you sure it isn't starting due to the presence
of a new policy-rc.d script?  :-)

In any case...  I wanted to add an additional comment.  I have been
thinking of doing something like this myself.  I haven't done it yet
but if I were implementing this then I think I would have the server
contact a central machine elsewhere on the network to get the keys to
decrypt and mount the encrypted partitions.  I am not sure what the
best mechanics would be to implement it.  But I think as soon as
networking came online I would have the remote server with the
encrypted disks contact a different server that I controlled.  Have it
pull the keys for the partition from there.  Then automatically mount
the partitions.  Then have it continue the boot process normally and
start the daemons normally.

That way the machine can be rebooted in an automated way without
trouble.  I would have them go through automatically.  Then on a
normal reboot the machine would mostly behave normally.  But if the
machine were stolen it wouldn't be able to get the keys and wouldn't
be able to decrypt that disk.

Lock the key server to the remote server's IP address.  The machine
could also block waiting for the external keys and allow you to
acknowledge them if you wanted the extra security.  After
acknowledging them the machine would continue to boot normally.

If the machine were stolen then the encrypted partition would not be
unlocked automatically since it would then come from a different IP
address.  However knowing that IP address would give you a trail to
the thief.

Bob


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:21:02PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > > Yes and do you know it was designed to do just what it does for a good
> > > reason in 32 kb of code. Hello world is 8kb  
> > 
> > Not relevant to choosing an init system.
> 
> I believe very strongly that it is. universality with Linux supporting
  
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Re: iperf / ftp / http TCP poor performance in one direction (UDP good)

[Guido Martínez]

It certainly looks that way. It most likely cpu or nic related and not
something you could fix by tweaking the system...

Guido

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:50 AM, John Elliot  wrote:
> Ok - Just an update to this.
>
> Connected a Laptop to the same switch the Deb server is connected to @ POPB
> - The Laptop was able to achieve acceptable performance:
>
>  POPA -> POPB (FTP) - ~36Mb/sec
> POPB -> POPA (FTP) - ~30Mb/sec  (The link is currently in use, so there is
> some background traffic so this speed is ok)
>
> Also connected the Laptop to the same port the Deb server is connected to @
> POPB, and achieved the same results as above.
>
> So it is looking like the Deb server @ POPB is the cause...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: mtzgu...@gmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:55:12 -0300
>
>> Subject: Re: iperf / ftp / http TCP poor performance in one direction (UDP
>> good)
>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
>>
>> It's probably not disk related since iperf is also showing symptoms.
>> That being said, I'm out of clues for the moment.
>>
>> Good luck and keep up posted!
>> Guido
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 7:27 AM, emmanuel segura 
>> wrote:
>> > Hello Jhon
>> >
>> > With read test i mean dd or others tools
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/4/12 John Elliot 
>> >>
>> >> Hi - What do you mean by "read test"? hdparm?
>> >>
>> >> hdparm -tT /dev/sda1
>> >>
>> >> /dev/sda1:
>> >> Timing cached reads: 8412 MB in 2.00 seconds = 4207.53 MB/sec
>> >> Timing buffered disk reads: 190 MB in 1.94 seconds = 97.96 MB/sec
>> >>
>> >> # hdparm -Tt /dev/sda3
>> >>
>> >> /dev/sda3:
>> >> Timing cached reads: 7400 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3703.93 MB/sec
>> >> Timing buffered disk reads: 186 MB in 3.02 seconds = 61.58 MB/sec
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ftp (With ss)
>> >>
>> >> ESTAB 0 477840 :::192.168.123.2:ftp-data
>> >> :::192.168.123.1:51161
>> >> ESTAB 0 360552 :::192.168.123.2:ftp-data
>> >> :::192.168.123.1:51161
>> >>
>> >> And results (Similar to iperf):
>> >>
>> >> ftp> get 64Mb.zip
>> >> local: 64Mb.zip remote: 64Mb.zip
>> >> 200 PORT command successful
>> >> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 64Mb.zip (67108864 bytes)
>> >> 226 Transfer complete
>> >> 67108864 bytes received in 42.11 secs (1556.2 kB/s)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:08:23 +0200
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: iperf / ftp / http TCP poor performance in one direction
>> >> (UDP
>> >> good)
>> >> From: emi2f...@gmail.com
>> >> To: johnellio...@hotmail.com
>> >> CC: mtzgu...@gmail.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> >>
>> >> Hello John
>> >>
>> >> Try to do read test on the sender, if you don't find any read problem
>> >> try
>> >> to do a transfer using ftp
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/4/12 John Elliot 
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the reply:
>> >>
>> >> ss results (wget in "bad" direction):
>> >>
>> >> "Receiver" - Recv and Send does not change from "0":
>> >> ESTAB 0 0
>> >> 192.168.123.1:32815
>> >> 192.168.123.2:www
>> >>
>> >> "Sender" - snapshots below:
>> >> State Recv-Q Send-Q Local
>> >> Address:Port Peer
>> >> Address:Port
>> >> ESTAB 0 505352
>> >> 192.168.123.2:www
>> >> 192.168.123.1:32816
>> >>
>> >> ESTAB 0 522728
>> >> 192.168.123.2:www
>> >> 192.168.123.1:32816
>> >>
>> >> ESTAB 0 328696
>> >> 192.168.123.2:www
>> >> 192.168.123.1:32816
>> >>
>> >> In the other direction:
>> >>
>> >> Reciever:
>> >> ESTAB 0 0 192.168.123.2:33036 192.168.123.1:www
>> >>
>> >> Sender:
>> >> ESTAB 0 535760 :::192.168.123.1:www
>> >> :::192.168.123.2:33038
>> >> ESTAB 0 383720 :::192.168.123.1:www
>> >> :::192.168.123.2:33038
>> >> ESTAB 0 474944 :::192.168.123.1:www
>> >> :::192.168.123.2:33038
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:06:38 +0200
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: iperf / ftp / http TCP poor performance in one direction
>> >> (UDP
>> >> good)
>> >> From: emi2f...@gmail.com
>> >> To: johnellio...@hotmail.com
>> >> CC: mtzgu...@gmail.com; debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hello
>> >>
>> >> Maybe it can the the disks write speed, anayway you can use netstat or
>> >> ss
>> >> look for Recv-Q Send-Q columns
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/4/12 John Elliot 
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again for your help with this.
>> >>
>> >> I've run 500 pings (-c 500 -i 0) in both directions, and got zero loss.
>> >>
>> >> Ill try running tcpdump on both servers, and re-testing to check the
>> >> segments.
>> >>
>> >> Swapping the servers would be extremely difficult ;) (They are over
>> >> 1000k's apart, and one is in an unmanned(majority of the time) data
>> >> centre.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > From: mtzgu...@gmail.com
>> >> > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:38:40 -0300
>> >> > Subject: Re: iperf / ftp / http TCP poor performance in one direction
>> >> > (UDP good)
>> >> > To: johnellio...@hotmail.com
>> >> > CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Guido Ma

Re: administration of initscripts

[staticsafe]

On 4/16/2013 19:33, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:21:02PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
 Yes and do you know it was designed to do just what it does for a good
 reason in 32 kb of code. Hello world is 8kb  
>>>
>>> Not relevant to choosing an init system.
>>
>> I believe very strongly that it is. universality with Linux supporting
>   
>Is that a word, or an Americanism?
> 
u·ni·ver·sal·i·ty [0]
[yoo-nuh-ver-sal-i-tee]
noun, plural u·ni·ver·sal·i·ties.
1. the character or state of being universal; existence or prevalence
everywhere.
2. relation, extension, or applicability to all.
3. universal character or range of knowledge, interests, etc.

[0] - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/universality
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Equivalent of --append-to-version for deb-pkg ?

[Laurent Debian]

Hi all,
 testing  solutions for a  kernel bug  I have recompiled several times the
same version of the kernel. I like the command deb-pkg but I didn't find a
easy way to change the name of each compiled version instead of erasing the
previous one.
Ideally I am searching for the exact equivalent of append-to-version with
make-kpkg. But anything which allows me to distinguish each compiled
version would be fine.
Any tips ?
PS : probably out there but didn't find it sorry

Re: How to get Debian live running from flash with persistence

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 15 Apr 2013 at 21:29:22 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Brian wrote:
> > > That cannot happen. Updating the system might alter grub.cfg but GRUB
> > > itself is not installed or reinstalled to, for example, the MBR of any
> > > disk.
> > 
> > This is not entirely correct.  You need to put all grub* packages on hold to
> > make sure it won't ever update the boot loader itself.
> 
> It is entirely correct. Although the OP may not have realised it, he was
> concerned whether
> 
>grub-install /dev/sdX
> 
> was executed during an upgrade or dist-upgrade. He may have thought it
> could occur during installing new GRUB packages or a new kernel. If it
> does I've never experienced anything like this happening. Of course,
> there may be a script which does this and I have overlooked it.

It certainly won't happen because of the install of a new kernel.

However, it will be done if the postinst script of grub-pc has any reason to
update stage 1.  AFAIK, currently it only does that when upgrading from the
previous branch of grub, but in the future it may happen because of an
update that fixes a bug or limitation from stage 1, for example.

It may or may not do the right thing and update the right MBR.  If you need
to be sure it will never be done, place the apropriate packages on hold.
Alternatively, tell the grub-pc package's config script to install to a
persistent name for the pendrive (maybe one is available in /dev/disk/by-* ?
Otherwise, you need to tweak udev to create one), and it will update stage 1
in that place if it ever needs to do it.  dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc lets you
do that.

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Re: Equivalent of --append-to-version for deb-pkg ?

[Jaikumar Sharma]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Laurent Debian wrote:

>   testing  solutions for a  kernel bug  I have recompiled several times
> the same version of the kernel. I like the command deb-pkg but I didn't
> find a easy way to change the name of each compiled version instead of
> erasing the previous one.
> Ideally I am searching for the exact equivalent of append-to-version with
> make-kpkg. But anything which allows me to distinguish each compiled
> version would be fine.
> Any tips ?
> PS : probably out there but didn't find it sorry
>

I'm not a kernel exprert, but I use *--revision* command line option to
distinguish and create different kernels with different configurations or
for testing purposes :

$ fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=x.x kernel_image 

here *x.x" is the actual kernel revision (your own private revision) you
are going to create.

Does this solve your problem?

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what's your Debian uptime?

[Stan Hoeppner]

Linux greer 3.2.6 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 17:05:10 CST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
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Re: Equivalent of --append-to-version for deb-pkg ?

[Laurent Debian]

Well thanks for your answer but not at all since  my question was
concerning the command make deb-pkg and not make-kpkg for which I simply
uses --append-to-version
Regards


2013/4/17 Jaikumar Sharma 

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Laurent Debian 
> wrote:
>
>>   testing  solutions for a  kernel bug  I have recompiled several times
>> the same version of the kernel. I like the command deb-pkg but I didn't
>> find a easy way to change the name of each compiled version instead of
>> erasing the previous one.
>> Ideally I am searching for the exact equivalent of append-to-version with
>> make-kpkg. But anything which allows me to distinguish each compiled
>> version would be fine.
>> Any tips ?
>> PS : probably out there but didn't find it sorry
>>
>
> I'm not a kernel exprert, but I use *--revision* command line option to
> distinguish and create different kernels with different configurations or
> for testing purposes :
>
> $ fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=x.x kernel_image 
>
> here *x.x" is the actual kernel revision (your own private revision) you
> are going to create.
>
> Does this solve your problem?
>
> -- Jaikumar
>

Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Mittwoch, 17. April 2013 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> Linux greer 3.2.6 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 17:05:10 CST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
>  22:35:31 up 412 days, 10:05,  1 user,  load average: 1.18, 0.97, 0.44

Great, but beat this! More than 500 days. At about 650 days uptime I rebooted 
accidentlly. 

See the message from netrcraft. This was a a mailserver, some years ago, 
running postfix, debian-i386.

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Re: How to install Debian in such a situation

[Yuwen Dai]

> You imply the machine is still functioning and the OS is bootable, so
> d-i can be started up from this disk.
>
>>I bought a new hard disk and downloaded Debian testing version,
>> then
>> I found the CD-ROM is broken,  it can not boot from the CD-ROM.  The old
>> PC
>>   can not boot from USB disk either.  How to install the new Debian on
>> the
>> new hard disk?
>
> Please see Sections 4.4 and 5.1.4 of the Manual. You will probably want
> the hd-media images. Note that your Debian testing ISO can be put on a
> USB stick and is capable of being found and installed to the new disk.
>
>

Hi Brian,

I have hd-media installed successfully on the new hard disk.  I put
the ISO on the disk, the installer will scan the ISO file on the disk,
this is very convenient.  Thank you and other people!

Best regards,
Yuwen


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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Tixy]

On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 22:59 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Linux greer 3.2.6 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 17:05:10 CST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
>  22:35:31 up 412 days, 10:05,  1 user,  load average: 1.18, 0.97, 0.44

So you are over a year behind in installing security updates for the
kernel. (I know, if your machine doesn't have untrusted users and is
well removed or disconnected from the internet, then that doesn't really
matter).

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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Mittwoch, 17. April 2013 schrieb Tixy:
> On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 22:59 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > Linux greer 3.2.6 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 17:05:10 CST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
> > 
> >  22:35:31 up 412 days, 10:05,  1 user,  load average: 1.18, 0.97, 0.44
> 
> So you are over a year behind in installing security updates for the
> kernel. (I know, if your machine doesn't have untrusted users and is
> well removed or disconnected from the internet, then that doesn't really
> matter).

This must not be so. Look, In my case I used a self compiled kernel, with very 
few modules. And as the only security holes have been in kernel modules, I did 
not compile, I needed not to install a new kernel. Those modules were just not 
existent. KISS-style. It makes things more secure!

Hans


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RE: what's your Debian uptime?

[John Elliot]

$ uptime  16:51:12 up 1136 days, 17:01,  1 user,  load average: 0.22, 0.12, 0.08


From: hans.ullr...@loop.de
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your Debian uptime?
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 07:58:31 +0200

Am Mittwoch, 17. April 2013 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> Linux greer 3.2.6 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 17:05:10 CST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
>  22:35:31 up 412 days, 10:05,  1 user,  load average: 1.18, 0.97, 0.44
 
Great, but beat this! More than 500 days. At about 650 days uptime I rebooted 
accidentlly. 
 
See the message from netrcraft. This was a a mailserver, some years ago, 
running postfix, debian-i386.
 
Best regards
 
 
Hans


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To: hans.ullr...@loop.de
Subject: Congratulations (Uptimed@popeye)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:44:26 +0200
From: dae...@popeye.niedersachsen.de

Uptimed noticed an uptime event!
 
The uptime of popeye has reached a milestone:
500 days, 00:00:00 (five hundred days)
 
Congratulations!
 
Uptimed author,
Rob Kaper 
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