Re: gnuserv

[Johann Spies]

Mike O'Connor wrote:

> The gnuserv package also distributes a script named "dtemacs" which
> will run check for an already running instance of emacs, and start one
> if non is found.


> More information about gnuserv can be found at:
> 
>  http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnuClient

None of those scripts (and I think I got my original script also from
documentation like this) is working as expected.  

When I use dtemacs to open a file (say /tmp/em)  I also get:

Warning (initialization): An error occurred while loading `/home/js/.emacs':

as well as an additional 

Symbol's function definition is void: temp-directory

and the main window does not contain /tmp/em.

With other scripts from the wiki I can open emacs but gnuclient is
complaining:


23276 pts/6R  0:00 /usr/bin/emacs a
gnuclient: Connection refused
gnuclient: unable to connect to local

and it then runs a new emacs process.

I have removed gnuserv from my system now.  I could not get it to work
as expected.

Regards
Johann
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Re: Book reader

[Johann Spies]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0600, Viatcheslav Trotsak wrote:
> What is the special software use in Debian for books reading (analog
> ICEReader)? 

I don't know ICEReader but FBReader is available in Debian. If you
run "aptitude show fbreader" you will see an impressive list of
features.

Regards
Johann

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Re: "deborphan" is a wonderful utility

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Mark Allums wrote:

> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>
> >   theoretically, i can see that it shouldn't cause any breakage.
> > but i was curious when i noticed that "libhal1" on this etch
> > system is listed as an orphan.
> >
> >   coming from a fedora universe, i always thought of the HAL layer
> > as fairly fundamental, but i guess i've stripped this server down
> > far enough that even the HAL library isn't being used anymore.
>
> Possibly libhal1 was replaced by a differently named version.  This
> happens occasionally, although usually apt/aptitude/Synaptic handles
> it properly.
>
> Or possibly not; my system has libhal1, and it is shown to be
> available in Stable, Testing, and Unstable versions (Lenny, Squeeze,
> and Sid).  A whole slew of things depends on it, such as several
> parts of X, so you must be correct, and your system is pretty
> minimal.

  the "minimal" part appears to be correct.  it's a back-room server,
ssh-accessible only, no X.  i've been removing things to the point
where i'm now down below 450 packages.  i'm a big believer in
simplicity.

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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,24.Aug.09, 20:56:27, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 
> kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task..

maildir (and procmail too as I hear, but I don't like its syntax) is 
*very* powerful. I recently did a major rewrite on my maildrop rules. I 
had one rule for each Debian list, now I have exactly one:

# These are the lists.debian.org lists
if (/^List-Id:.*/)
{
to Maildir/.debian.$MATCH1  
}

Similar for googlegroups, alioth, ... All that was needed was a bit of 
folder renaming ;)

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Re: Grub boot problems

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,24.Aug.09, 13:51:14, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> Lenny stable, here is the respective part of my menu.lst:
> 
> title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-686
> root(hd1,0)
> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet
> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
> 
> I'm getting an error on boot that's related to the root (hd1,0) line:
> 
> Filesystem type unknown, Partition type 0xde
> 
> 0xde is a dell maintenance partition.  fdisk -l /dev/sdb returns the
> following:

What the booted system is not always entirely consistent to when boot is 
run from BIOS. Assuming you only have to disks in your system (you 
forgot to mention your disk/partition layout), what happens if you 
change that line into:

root(hd0,0)

?

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Re: Confused about lenny, KDE4 and debian-multimedia.org

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,24.Aug.09, 20:34:00, Steve wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm running lenny (kde3) using several of  Christian Marillat's multimedia 
> packages.  Installing k9copy fails due to unmet lib dependencies.  They 
> appear to be kde4 libs yet are clearly in the stable branch.  I'm use to 
> waiting on sid repos to stabilize but this is a new one on me.

KDE4 libs *are* available in stable (lenny), but without specific error 
messages (preferably from aptitude or apt-get) it's impossible to help 
further. And your sources.list might help too ;)

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Re: "deborphan" is a wonderful utility

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,25.Aug.09, 05:00:07, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
 
>   the "minimal" part appears to be correct.  it's a back-room server,
> ssh-accessible only, no X.  i've been removing things to the point
> where i'm now down below 450 packages.  i'm a big believer in
> simplicity.

You might want to disable "recommends" then:

,[ /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local ]
| // This machine is on diet
| APT::Install-Recommends "false";
`

But do check the "recommends" of a package before filing bugs for 
missing functionality ;)

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Re: Grub boot problems

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,25.Aug.09, 12:42:46, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon,24.Aug.09, 13:51:14, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> > Lenny stable, here is the respective part of my menu.lst:
> > 
> > title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-2-686
> > root(hd1,0)
> > kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet
> > initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
> > 
> > I'm getting an error on boot that's related to the root (hd1,0) line:
> > 
> > Filesystem type unknown, Partition type 0xde
> > 
> > 0xde is a dell maintenance partition.  fdisk -l /dev/sdb returns the
> > following:
> 
> What the booted system is not always entirely consistent to when boot is 
> run from BIOS. Assuming you only have to disks in your system (you 

Should have reread my mail before sending :( That should read:

"What you see in the already booted system is not always consistent to 
what grub shows when it runs from BIOS."


> forgot to mention your disk/partition layout), what happens if you 
> change that line into:
> 
> root  (hd0,0)
> 
> ?

That's still a valid question. BTW, when you are at the grub console (or 
editing your boot stanza) you can use the tab-completion to figure out 
the correct partition :) Try something like:

root(hd[tab][tab]

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emacs23 problem (was gnuserv)

[Johann Spies]

While trying to find why auctex is not working as expected  with
errors like this:
==
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Cannot open load file" "auctex.e=
l")
  load("auctex.el" nil t t)
  eval-buffer(# nil "/home/js/.emacs" nil t)  ; Reading at =
buffer position 5005
  load-with-code-conversion("/home/js/.emacs" "/home/js/.emacs" t t)
  load("~/.emacs" t t)
  #[nil "=08=85=B4=00   =C6=3D=83=11=00=C7=08=C8Q=827=00
=C9=3D=833=00=CA=C7=
=CB=CC#=83#=00 7=00=CA=C7=CB=CE#=83/=00 7=00 7=00=C7=08=D0Q=1A=D1=13=D2\n #=
=88=0B=D1=3D=83_=00=D3=D4=D5=C7=08=D6Q!\"=1C=D2\f #=88=0B=D1=3D=83^=00\n=13=
)=0B=83=A4=00=D7=0B! =83=A4=00=D9=0B!=89=1D=DAP=1E\"=DB=0E\"!=83=80=00=0E\"=
=82=8B=00=DB=0D!=83=8A=00=0D=82=8B=00 =15=83=A3=00=DC=0D=0B\"=83=A1=00=DD=
=DE=0D=0B#=88=DF=E0!=88=0D=13*=0E#?=85=B3=00=CB=1E$=D2=E1 #))=87" [init-fil=
e-user system-type user-init-file-1 user-init-file otherfile source ms-dos =
"~" "/_emacs" windows-nt directory-files nil "^\\.emacs\\(\\.elc?\\)?$" "~/=
=2Eemacs" "^_emacs\\(\\.elc?\\)?$" "~/_emacs" "/.emacs" t load expand-file-=
name "init" file-name-as-directory "/.emacs.d" file-name-extension "elc" fi=
le-name-sans-extension ".el" file-exists-p file-newer-than-file-p message "=
Warning: %s is newer than %s" sit-for 1 "default" alt inhibit-default-init =
inhibit-startup-screen] 7]()
  command-line()
  normal-top-level()
==

I found that when I use emacs22 this does not happen.  I then
reinstalled gnuserv and with emacs22 that was also working as
expected.  My earlier problem which I reported on this list was when
used emacs23.

Should I file a bugreport?

Regards
Johann


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Re: emacs23 problem

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-08-25 12:08 +0200, Johann Spies wrote:

> While trying to find why auctex is not working as expected  with
> errors like this:
> (snip)
>
> I found that when I use emacs22 this does not happen.  I then
> reinstalled gnuserv and with emacs22 that was also working as
> expected.  My earlier problem which I reported on this list was when
> used emacs23.
>
> Should I file a bugreport?

No, because there is already one: http://bugs.debian.org/539749.

Sven


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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Micha]

On 8/24/2009 11:34 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:

On Mon August 24 2009, Micha wrote:

Personally I use fetchmail + procmail to fetch and filter my mail


I use fetchmail to pull in my mail for all my domain accounts. Kmail pulls it
all in via my local user. From there I have many, MANY filters to put mail in
separate folders.
what benefit would I get from procmail?



1. The ability to move from kmail to something else if you want without 
rewriting your rules.
2. The ability to pull mail without having kmail running (via a cron job or 
fetchmail daemon)
3. Text file with regular expression based rules that you know where it resides 
and can back it up and human read it


If you don't care about these three than nothing (some consider the third a 
downside, not an improvement but that's personal preference not an absolute)


On the downside, if you want to explicitly pull mail now, pulling mail from 
kmail doesn't pull the mail off your accounts, you need to do that explicitly 
from the command line


It's all down to personal preferences.

I played around a lot at the time looking for a mail client I'd be happy with 
(Still haven't found one) and worked quite a bit with mutt (I'm not sure if it 
even supports pulling mail itself) so fetchmail + procmail was the best option 
for me.


If this is a remotely accessible machine, you also have the advantage of being 
able to use a gui mail client locally and a text one remotely or serve your 
folders via an imap server and then you are not limited at all.



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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma,25.aug.09, 13:32:21, Micha wrote:
 
> On the downside, if you want to explicitly pull mail now, pulling
> mail from kmail doesn't pull the mail off your accounts, you need to
> do that explicitly from the command line

Not very familiar with kmail, but claws-mail (sylpheed too?) has 
configurable "Actions" which you can use to run external 
programs/scripts.

> I played around a lot at the time looking for a mail client I'd be
> happy with (Still haven't found one) and worked quite a bit with
> mutt (I'm not sure if it even supports pulling mail itself) so
> fetchmail + procmail was the best option for me.

mutt does SMTP, POP3 and IMAP now, but who cares ;)

Regards,
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Important commands lose permissions after upgrades.

[Nuno Magalhães]

Hi,

This is the second apt-get dist-upgrade that i've done recently and
the second time i get this issue. After the upgrade, many important
commands lose permissions (i.e. chmod 000), which has caused me weird
boots and sometimes nagging the lists with incorrect problems - like
why isn't swap mounting or the clock one hour off.

# ls -l /usr/bin |grep ^--
-- 1 root root   57552 2009-07-24 05:29 gpasswd
# ls -l /usr/sbin |grep ^--
-- 1 rootroot  43952 2009-07-24 05:29 groupadd
-- 1 rootroot  39528 2009-07-24 05:29 groupdel
-- 1 rootroot  51752 2009-07-24 05:29 groupmod
-- 1 rootroot  41992 2009-07-24 05:29 grpck
-- 1 rootroot  36808 2009-07-24 05:29 grpconv
-- 1 rootroot  36616 2009-07-24 05:29 grpunconv
-- 1 rootroot  54640 2009-07-24 05:29 newusers
-- 1 rootroot  36496 2009-07-24 05:29 pwck
-- 1 rootroot  32592 2009-07-24 05:29 pwconv
-- 1 rootroot  26992 2009-07-24 05:29 pwunconv
-- 1 rootroot   9976 2009-08-13 13:35 rdev
-- 1 rootroot 690400 2009-06-16 10:52 tcpdump
-- 1 rootroot   9208 2009-08-13 13:35 tunelp
-- 1 rootroot  85232 2009-07-24 05:29 useradd
-- 1 rootroot  58160 2009-07-24 05:29 userdel
-- 1 rootroot  83312 2009-07-24 05:29 usermod
-- 1 rootroot  45288 2009-07-24 05:29 vipw
# ls -l /sbin |grep ^--
-- 1 root root23552 2009-08-23 18:14 badblocks
-- 1 root root 5376 2009-08-13 13:35 ctrlaltdel
-- 1 root root86016 2009-08-23 18:14 debugfs
-- 1 root root15624 2009-08-23 18:14 dumpe2fs
-- 1 root root27408 2009-08-13 13:35 fsck.minix
-- 5 root root56864 2009-08-23 18:14 mke2fs
-- 1 root root 6928 2009-08-13 13:35 mkfs
-- 5 root root56864 2009-08-23 18:14 mkfs.ext2
-- 5 root root56864 2009-08-23 18:14 mkfs.ext3
-- 5 root root56864 2009-08-23 18:14 mkfs.ext4
-- 5 root root56864 2009-08-23 18:14 mkfs.ext4dev
-- 1 root root18544 2009-08-13 13:35 mkfs.minix

halt, swapon and hwclock were also on the list but i've set them to
750. Is this a feature or is some package messing around? I did have
bastille a while ago but it gave me more problems than it solved so
i've long since purged it.

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Re: a pseudo-"clone" facility for migrating to new hardware?

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Joe wrote:
> 
>> My advice would be to grit your teeth and install a completely new
>> system, based on your existing packages. Then copy the data and as
>> much configuration information as possible. Sorry.
> 
>   it only just occurred to me that, yes, that's what i have to do
> since it's currently a 32-bit system and i'm moving it to a 64-bit
> server.  duh.  (yes, i know i could install a 32-bit OS but that would
> be a waste of all that 64-bit processing power.)

If you run the 64bit kernel with 32bit userland, you are not wasting too
much of that power. YMMV.

You can more or less automatically get a list of installed packages from
your existing install and feed it to aptitude on the new server. After
that you just have to copy /etc/passwd et al., only the customized
etc-files, and of course your data. I'd suggest rsync for this.

Give your new server a different hostname & ip at first, check if
everything works fine and then finally swap hostname & ip with the old
server. Shouldn't be a lot of work.

Cheers,
Johannes

NB: If old and new hardware are not to different (same architecture ;-)
), it is possible to just rsync all file systems of the old box to the
new box, adjust fstab if it needs tweaking and reboot. When my server
had some hardware problems I just took the hard disk to a different
(more modern, more capable) machine and rebooted fine.
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a couple remaining issues after dist-upgrade, etch -> lenny

[Robert P. J. Day]

  i finally pulled the trigger on this, almost 300 packages upgraded,
rebooted and here are some of the (apparently non-fatal) issues i ran
across:

1) my /etc/aliases.db file was deleted.  no problem, i just recreated
it with

  # postalias hash:/etc/aliases

  easy enough to fix but should i have expected that?  couldn't
  something that obvious be part of the automatic upgrade process?

2) log error that there was no permission to read
  /etc/ldap/slapd.conf, not surprising since the perms on that file
  were:

  root root -rw---

  changed perms to 644, that seems to have solved that problem.
  should i have expected that as well?  or was there a better way
  to solve that access problem?

3) in fact, running "aptitude upgrade" tells me that slapd is still
  only partially configured, but trying to finish the configuration
  gives me:

=

Setting up slapd (2.4.11-1) ...
  Backing up /etc/ldap/slapd.conf in /var/backups/slapd-2.3.30-5+etch2... done.
  Upgrading BDB 'checkpoint' options... .
  Moving old database directories to /var/backups:
  Loading from /var/backups/slapd-2.3.30-5+etch2:
  - directory dc=,dc=com... failed.

Loading the database from the LDIF dump failed with the following
error while running slapadd:
/etc/ldap/slapd.conf: line 50: unknown directive  outside 
backend info and database definitions.
slapadd: bad configuration file!
dpkg: error processing slapd (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

=

  i'm not an LDAP expert -- can i just comment out the offending line?

defaultaccess write

  i'm guessing there's been a change in the syntax of that config file
  and i just have to read up on it.

off to check if there are any more issues, but if that's the extent of
them, i'm in good shape.

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Re: a couple remaining issues after dist-upgrade, etch -> lenny

[Niu Kun]

Robert P. J. Day 写道:

  i finally pulled the trigger on this, almost 300 packages upgraded,
rebooted and here are some of the (apparently non-fatal) issues i ran
across:

1) my /etc/aliases.db file was deleted.  no problem, i just recreated
it with

  # postalias hash:/etc/aliases

  easy enough to fix but should i have expected that?  couldn't
  something that obvious be part of the automatic upgrade process?

2) log error that there was no permission to read
  /etc/ldap/slapd.conf, not surprising since the perms on that file
  were:

  root root -rw---

  changed perms to 644, that seems to have solved that problem.
  should i have expected that as well?  or was there a better way
  to solve that access problem?

3) in fact, running "aptitude upgrade" tells me that slapd is still
  only partially configured, but trying to finish the configuration
  gives me:

=

Setting up slapd (2.4.11-1) ...
  Backing up /etc/ldap/slapd.conf in /var/backups/slapd-2.3.30-5+etch2... done.
  Upgrading BDB 'checkpoint' options... .
  Moving old database directories to /var/backups:
  Loading from /var/backups/slapd-2.3.30-5+etch2:
  - directory dc=,dc=com... failed.

Loading the database from the LDIF dump failed with the following
error while running slapadd:
/etc/ldap/slapd.conf: line 50: unknown directive  outside 
backend info and database definitions.
slapadd: bad configuration file!
dpkg: error processing slapd (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

=

  i'm not an LDAP expert -- can i just comment out the offending line?

defaultaccess write
  
Don't know if defaultaccess is set to write is good enough for your 
application.

You can try comment it out or add the following line to your config file:
access to *
   by  *  write
As far as I know, it's really dangerous and should be fully tested in 
advance.

Hope this helps.

  i'm guessing there's been a change in the syntax of that config file
  and i just have to read up on it.

off to check if there are any more issues, but if that's the extent of
them, i'm in good shape.

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Re: a couple remaining issues after dist-upgrade, etch -> lenny

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:

> Robert P. J. Day 写道:
> >   i finally pulled the trigger on this, almost 300 packages upgraded,
> > rebooted and here are some of the (apparently non-fatal) issues i ran
> > across:

... snip ...

> > 3) in fact, running "aptitude upgrade" tells me that slapd is still
> >   only partially configured, but trying to finish the configuration
> >   gives me:
> >
> > =
> >
> > Setting up slapd (2.4.11-1) ...
> >   Backing up /etc/ldap/slapd.conf in /var/backups/slapd-2.3.30-5+etch2...
> > done.
> >   Upgrading BDB 'checkpoint' options... .
> >   Moving old database directories to /var/backups:
> >   Loading from /var/backups/slapd-2.3.30-5+etch2:
> >   - directory dc=,dc=com... failed.
> >
> > Loading the database from the LDIF dump failed with the following
> > error while running slapadd:
> > /etc/ldap/slapd.conf: line 50: unknown directive  outside
> > backend info and database definitions.
> > slapadd: bad configuration file!
> > dpkg: error processing slapd (--configure):
> >  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
> >
> > =
> >
> >   i'm not an LDAP expert -- can i just comment out the offending line?
> >
> > defaultaccess write
> >
> Don't know if defaultaccess is set to write is good enough for your
> application.
> You can try comment it out or add the following line to your config file:
> access to *
>by  *  write
> As far as I know, it's really dangerous and should be fully tested in advance.
> Hope this helps.

  for now, just to finish getting slapd configured, i commented out
the "defaultaccess" line, at which point i got the error:

"error while running slapadd:
/etc/ldap/slapd.conf: line 64:  extra cruft after 

that line originally read:

  lastmod on replogfile /var/lib/ldap/replog

so i just obeyed the diagnostic and changed it to:

  lastmod on

and the slapd configuration completed.  i'll go over the docs later
but, as long as slapd seems to be running for the moment, i'm hoping
those changes are adequate.

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Grub vrs: Lilo

[Account for Debian group mail]

Hello,

I recently changed some of our machines from booting with Lilo to Grub. 
Now when doing a kernel upgrade nothing is said about having to reboot the 
computer like it did with Lilo.


I see nothing in the logs about the computer using the new kernel so I 
assume you still need to reboot to run the new kernel? Can anyone set me 
straight on this? Logs below on Kernel upgrade.


Thanks,

Ken


Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch3 
(using .../linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch4_amd64.deb) ...
The directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64 still exists. Continuing as 
directed.

Done.
Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 ...
Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub.
You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub 
instead!


Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default
Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-amd64
Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done

Setting up linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch4) ...

 Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link 
/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/source

 However, I can not read the target: No such file or directory
 Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/source

Running depmod.
Finding valid ramdisk creators.
Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk.
Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
(2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch3 was configured last, according to dpkg)
Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
(2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch3 was configured last, according to dpkg)
Running postinst hook script /sbin/update-grub.
You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub 
instead!


Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default
Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64
Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-amd64
Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done


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Re: "deborphan" is a wonderful utility

[Nuno Magalhães]

fslint and cruft are also helpful in keeping a system clean, by
finding out duplicate files, broken links, etc.

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Re: Grub vrs: Lilo

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,25.Aug.09, 06:33:25, Account for Debian group mail wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I recently changed some of our machines from booting with Lilo to
> Grub. Now when doing a kernel upgrade nothing is said about having
> to reboot the computer like it did with Lilo.
> 
> I see nothing in the logs about the computer using the new kernel so
> I assume you still need to reboot to run the new kernel? Can anyone
> set me straight on this? Logs below on Kernel upgrade.

If you upgrade the kernel you always have to reboot the computer (unless 
you use kexec), this has nothing to do with lilo or grub. The advantage 
of grub vs. lilo is that you don't need to rerun grub if you change 
something in menu.lst, while with lilo you always have to run 'lilo', 
even if the filename of the kernel image remains the same.

Regards,
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Re: "deborphan" is a wonderful utility

[Michael Ekstrand]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   much thanks to whoever suggested "deborphan" recently to help me
> clean out unused libraries.  i've been fairly conservative with it,
> getting rid of libs a bit at a time and making sure things still run.

> p.s.  starting with a server that had just over 600 packages, i'm now
> down to 460, with no loss in functionality.  hopefully, this will make
> that final upgrade as safe as possible.
> 
> p.p.s.  i'm starting to like this debian thing more and more.  :-)

If you like deborphan, you might also like Aptitude's "automatic"
packages.  If a package is marked as Automatically installed (do this
with M), then it will be removed once nothing else depends on it.  I
find it invaluable for keeping my system pruned on a regular basis.
Also, if I'm going through and don't know if I need something, I'll mark
it automatic and see if it goes away.

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final issue? imapproxy: "Error reading banner line from server ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

  this might actually be the final issue for me to resolve after this
upgrade (one can only hope).  there is one package that is still only
partially configured:  imapproxy.  an attempt to complete its
configuration generates:

Log started: 2009-08-25  10:01:25
Setting up imapproxy (1.2.6-5) ...
Starting IMAP proxy: invoke-rc.d: initscript imapproxy, action "start" failed.
dpkg: error processing imapproxy (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 imapproxy
Log ended: 2009-08-25  10:01:26

  and the diagnostic dumped into mail.err reads:

SetBannerAndCapability(): Error reading banner line from server on \
  initial connection: Success -- exiting.

i have absolutely *no* clue what to do about that, so i am wide open
to advice here.  if i can deal with this, i might be home free.
every attempt to do a safe upgrade generates that same diagnostic.

rday

p.s.  should i have done something differently during the upgrade to
have avoided this issue?
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Re: final issue? imapproxy: "Error reading banner line from server ..."

[Niu Kun]

Robert P. J. Day 写道:

  this might actually be the final issue for me to resolve after this
upgrade (one can only hope).  there is one package that is still only
partially configured:  imapproxy.  an attempt to complete its
configuration generates:

Log started: 2009-08-25  10:01:25
Setting up imapproxy (1.2.6-5) ...
Starting IMAP proxy: invoke-rc.d: initscript imapproxy, action "start" failed.
dpkg: error processing imapproxy (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 imapproxy
Log ended: 2009-08-25  10:01:26

  and the diagnostic dumped into mail.err reads:

SetBannerAndCapability(): Error reading banner line from server on \
  initial connection: Success -- exiting.

i have absolutely *no* clue what to do about that, so i am wide open
to advice here.  if i can deal with this, i might be home free.
every attempt to do a safe upgrade generates that same diagnostic.

rday

p.s.  should i have done something differently during the upgrade to
have avoided this issue?
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Show us the output of
/etc/init.d/imapproxy start
And see if you have the file /var/log/mail.err
Look into it if there's one and see if it helps.


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Re: final issue? imapproxy: "Error reading banner line from server ..."

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Niu Kun wrote:

> Robert P. J. Day 写道:
> >   this might actually be the final issue for me to resolve after this
> > upgrade (one can only hope).  there is one package that is still only
> > partially configured:  imapproxy.  an attempt to complete its
> > configuration generates:
> >
> > Log started: 2009-08-25  10:01:25
> > Setting up imapproxy (1.2.6-5) ...
> > Starting IMAP proxy: invoke-rc.d: initscript imapproxy, action "start"
> > failed.
> > dpkg: error processing imapproxy (--configure):
> >  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> >  imapproxy
> > Log ended: 2009-08-25  10:01:26
> >
> >   and the diagnostic dumped into mail.err reads:
> >
> > SetBannerAndCapability(): Error reading banner line from server on \
> >   initial connection: Success -- exiting.
> >
> > i have absolutely *no* clue what to do about that, so i am wide open
> > to advice here.  if i can deal with this, i might be home free.
> > every attempt to do a safe upgrade generates that same diagnostic.

> Show us the output of

> /etc/init.d/imapproxy start

  there is none.  i just get a prompt back, but that service doesn't
start.

> And see if you have the file /var/log/mail.err
> Look into it if there's one and see if it helps.

  i listed the output from mail.err above -- it's the single line
referring to "SetBannerAndCapability", that's all.  that line is
printed upon every attempt to finish configuring imapproxy.

  and the "dpkg" status shows that that package is still only "install
ok half-configured".  although, since this merely an "optional"
package, shouldn't i be able to take it out or ignore it for now?
email does seem to be working so perhaps fixing this package can be
pushed down the priority list for now.

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Re: TV Tuner

[Thomas H. George]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 03:12:31PM -0700, Kevin Ross wrote:
> > From: Thomas H. George [mailto:li...@tomgeorge.info]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:47 PM
> > 
> > I recently emeraged from the dark ages and purchased a 23" LCD monitor.
> > Now I am wondering about purchasing a TV tuner and connecting the cable
> > box (Comcast) to the pc rather than replacing my 15 year old analog tv
> > set.  Nothing larger than a 27" LCD TV will fit in the solid cherry tv
> > cabinet, hardly large than the monitor.
> > 
> > Any comments?

...
> 
> 
> As for tuner cards, the Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250 works well, I have one.
> It's PCI Express. There are also PCI, USB, and networked tuners, such as the
> HDHomeRun.  However, with a tuner card, it's highly likely the only channels
> that won't be encrypted will be your locals.

Purchased and installed Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250.  After installation
X-window failed to start, error message Type1, no such module.  lspci
showed multimedia video controller Conexant Device 8880 (rev 4) had been
added.  Removed the board until I learn how to correct this problem.

...
 
> I invite you to come over to the Linux HTPC section on AVS Forums
> (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=76) where we blab on and
> on about HTPC's with Linux.
> 
Perhaps I will learn the solution to my problem at this forum?

Tom


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How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Peng Yu]

Hi,

My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
directory?

Regards,
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Re: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Niu Kun]

Peng Yu 写道:

Hi,

My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
directory?

Regards,
Peng


  

So far as I know, Redhat also support apt serie tools.
But in your case, I don't think you can install such a package 
automatically with those tools.
You can try to extract the content of the deb package and put them in 
your home directory.

And then you can try if it works for you.


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apparently, lenny, apache 1.3 and php5 is a bad combination

[Robert P. J. Day]

  i was hoping to continue running apache 1.3 on my new lenny system,
just until i could make sure i had a clean upgrade path, then make the
switch to apache2.  but it seems like i won't have that option since
i'm running some apps (eg., horde) which now fails to make a mysql DB
connection, and that's because the php4-mysql package was removed to
make way for php5-mysql, but apache 1.3 currently has only php4
support.

  i did notice that there's a "libapache-mod-php5" package that is
supposed to add php5 support to apache1, but trying to install that
tells me that that package is "BROKEN", and that libapache-mod-php4
would be removed.  which doesn't do me much good.

  is there a way to just add php5 support to apache 1.3 so i can get
horde up and running again, or should i just bite the bullet and do
what it takes to switch to apache2?  (apache2 is currently on the
system, it's just not being started.)

  thoughts?

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Re: a pseudo-"clone" facility for migrating to new hardware?

[Joe]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Joe wrote:


Apache/php is also very slightly different, and I still have a
couple of minor quirks I haven't tracked down yet. Unavoidable
whichever way you go.


  does that refer to upgrading from apache1 to apache2?  because when
i do my full upgrade from etch to lenny later today, i'm happy to
leave things with apache1 for the time being, until i'm ready to make
that final upgrade.  (i'm assuming i have the ability to leave apache1
in place.)



No, it was apache2 already. The only things I have noticed have been 
very minor, which is why they're not fixed yet. I can't recall if 
anything needed to be fixed at the 1.3 -> 2.0 changeover last year, so 
if there was it was also quite minor.


I get an error message two or three times a week about there being no 
virtual hosts configured, which didn't happen before.


Also, I use moosic to provide a random play facility, and when the list 
is empty, calling the page should go straight into the new selection 
routine, but it's now showing me an empty playlist. That's most likely a 
pure php issue, but again I haven't got around to investigating it yet.


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Re: apparently, lenny, apache 1.3 and php5 is a bad combination

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   i was hoping to continue running apache 1.3 on my new lenny system,
> just until i could make sure i had a clean upgrade path, then make the
> switch to apache2.  but it seems like i won't have that option since
> i'm running some apps (eg., horde) which now fails to make a mysql DB

IIRC, there is *NO* apache 1.3 in lenny. It has been discontinued.

There have been several *years* of having both apache versions supported
by debian in order to allow for flexible planning of the upgrade from
apache 1 to apache 2.

Cheers,
Johannes
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Re: apparently, lenny, apache 1.3 and php5 is a bad combination

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   is there a way to just add php5 support to apache 1.3 so i can get
> horde up and running again, or should i just bite the bullet and do
> what it takes to switch to apache2?  (apache2 is currently on the
> system, it's just not being started.)
> 
>   thoughts?

Just bite the bullet.

Reading /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz will help you getting
started with Debian's apache2.

Cheers,
Johannes
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Re: Important commands lose permissions after upgrades.

[Jochen Schulz]

Nuno Magalhães:
> 
> This is the second apt-get dist-upgrade that i've done recently and
> the second time i get this issue. After the upgrade, many important
> commands lose permissions (i.e. chmod 000), which has caused me weird
> boots and sometimes nagging the lists with incorrect problems - like
> why isn't swap mounting or the clock one hour off.

The first thing I would do in your situation is to make sure my disk
isn't dying. Run a forced fsck on all filesystems (including /) and use
smartctl (packege: smartmontools) to check your disk for errors.

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Re: apparently, lenny, apache 1.3 and php5 is a bad combination

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

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>
> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >   i was hoping to continue running apache 1.3 on my new lenny
> > system, just until i could make sure i had a clean upgrade path,
> > then make the switch to apache2.  but it seems like i won't have
> > that option since i'm running some apps (eg., horde) which now
> > fails to make a mysql DB
>
> IIRC, there is *NO* apache 1.3 in lenny. It has been discontinued.
>
> There have been several *years* of having both apache versions
> supported by debian in order to allow for flexible planning of the
> upgrade from apache 1 to apache 2.

  yes, i now realize that, so i guess my next step is to just migrate
all my configuration files over to apache2 and stop using apache.

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Re: apparently, lenny, apache 1.3 and php5 is a bad combination

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

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>
> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >   is there a way to just add php5 support to apache 1.3 so i can
> > get horde up and running again, or should i just bite the bullet
> > and do what it takes to switch to apache2?  (apache2 is currently
> > on the system, it's just not being started.)
> >
> >   thoughts?
>
> Just bite the bullet.
>
> Reading /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz will help you
> getting started with Debian's apache2.

  i *was* planning on doing that as my last upgrade phase at my
leisure.  i just didn't realize that i would have to do that
*immediately* to continue to have a working web server.

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Re: VLC sid upgrade loses color, has wrong aspect ratio (Solved!)

[Joel Roth]

Easy solution... 

Delete the .vlc directory in your home directory. 

VLC now keeps its config information in $HOME/.config/vlc/

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=855394
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Re: apparently, lenny, apache 1.3 and php5 is a bad combination

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> 
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>> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>>   is there a way to just add php5 support to apache 1.3 so i can
>>> get horde up and running again, or should i just bite the bullet
>>> and do what it takes to switch to apache2?  (apache2 is currently
>>> on the system, it's just not being started.)
>>>
>>>   thoughts?
>> Just bite the bullet.
> 
>   i *was* planning on doing that as my last upgrade phase at my
> leisure.  i just didn't realize that i would have to do that
> *immediately* to continue to have a working web server.

That's why you should have read the release notes [1] *before* upgrading
from etch to lenny.

FWIW, apache 2 was introduced to debian stable with the release of
'sarge' in 2005 [2].

Cheers,
Johannes

[1]
http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete

[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2005/msg3.html
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RE: apparently, lenny, apache 1.3 and php5 is a bad combination

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:rpj...@crashcourse.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:41 AM
> 
>   is there a way to just add php5 support to apache 1.3 so i can get
> horde up and running again, or should i just bite the bullet and do
> what it takes to switch to apache2?  (apache2 is currently on the
> system, it's just not being started.)

As long as all of the PHP-based software you have running comes from Debian
packages, then upgrading to Apache 2 will be very straightforward, since any
Debian-packaged software will fully support Apache2+php5, such as Horde and
IMP.

If you've downloaded tarballs of some other PHP-based programs, and not used
Debian versions, then you should be able to just download the latest stable
version of whatever program it is, since Apache2+php5 are the standard
versions now, and are supported by virtually every PHP-based web program.

If you've written your own website with an older version of PHP, then you
should also have the expertise needed to upgrade your program to use PHP5.
:)

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Apache error for debian 2.6.24

[Michael Kurecka]

I'm trying to run Apache on a debian 2.6.24 system but it doesn't seem
to be working and I get the following error in the error.log file once a
second.
 
(38)Function not implemented: Couldn't create pollset in child; check
system or user limits
 
Upon googling I came across various posts that stated 2.6.26 was needed.
Is there not a way to make it work with 2.6.24 or could this be a setup
issue?

RE: TV Tuner

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Thomas H. George [mailto:li...@tomgeorge.info]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:42 AM
> 
> Purchased and installed Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250.  After installation
> X-window failed to start, error message Type1, no such module.  lspci
> showed multimedia video controller Conexant Device 8880 (rev 4) had
> been
> added.  Removed the board until I learn how to correct this problem.

Recent versions of xorg-server do not include the type1 font module
(completely replaced by freetype).

Remove it from the "Modules" section in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.

It does seem really bizarre that it would work without the board installed,
and fail with it installed, though.  One should have nothing to do with the
other.

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Re: TV Tuner

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:25:25AM -0700, Kevin Ross wrote:
> > From: Thomas H. George [mailto:li...@tomgeorge.info]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:42 AM
> > 
> > Purchased and installed Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250.  After installation
> > X-window failed to start, error message Type1, no such module.  lspci
> > showed multimedia video controller Conexant Device 8880 (rev 4) had
> > been
> > added.  Removed the board until I learn how to correct this problem.
> 
> Recent versions of xorg-server do not include the type1 font module
> (completely replaced by freetype).
> 
> Remove it from the "Modules" section in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
> 
> It does seem really bizarre that it would work without the board installed,
> and fail with it installed, though.  One should have nothing to do with the
> other.

I haven't been following this thread, so if I'm off-base, just ignore
me.

Some hauppauge cards have an *output*. Perhaps X is seeing this output
and getting confused resulting in failing to start? 

A


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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Chris Jones]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:56:27PM EDT, Paul Cartwright wrote:

[..]

> but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about
> my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task..

As another poster hinted, this is another example of the hidden benefits
of cloning the Microsoft model.

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Re: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 02:01:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
>> install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
>> Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
>> directory?
>
> You can't.
>
> Anyway, why install a *Debian* package, when you should be trying to  
> install an RPM?

Sometimes (like now, for me), you are on a Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS
machine administered by someone else and want to use some software
which is available on Debian with ease. It is tough, because of the
several dependencies, library requirements etc.; so much that it is
better to compile the package from source, but sometimes, it might be
useful to just grab that executable from the Debian package? (I have
never done this though.

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RE: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Peng Yu [mailto:pengyu...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:11 AM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
> install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
> Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
> directory?
> 
> Regards,
> Peng

Find an RPM package for whatever program you want installed, preferably from
the same distro that you're running, and extract the contents of the package
with the rpm command into your home directory.  Create a bin folder in your
home directory and add it to your path.  Copy the extracted program into
that folder.  If the program also depends on libraries that aren't currently
installed, follow the same procedure to download and extract the needed
library RPMs, making a lib folder, and adding it to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH
environment variable.


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Re: Confused about lenny, KDE4 and debian-multimedia.org

[SteveM]

On Tuesday 25 August 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>
> KDE4 libs *are* available in stable (lenny), but without specific error
> messages (preferably from aptitude or apt-get) it's impossible to help
> further. And your sources.list might help too ;)

Yes, the sources.list did help.  It read sid, not lenny.  Thanks for 
making me look a little harder.  I'm surprised some many other packages 
installed without error.

thx,
steve


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Re: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-25 14:08, Kumar Appaiah wrote:

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 02:01:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
directory?

You can't.

Anyway, why install a *Debian* package, when you should be trying to  
install an RPM?


Sometimes (like now, for me), you are on a Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS
machine administered by someone else and want to use some software
which is available on Debian with ease. It is tough, because of the
several dependencies, library requirements etc.; so much that it is
better to compile the package from source, but sometimes, it might be
useful to just grab that executable from the Debian package? (I have
never done this though.


But binary Debian packages also have dependencies, which are 
sometimes named differently than in the RHAT world.


Besides, I *think* that RPMs now have the ability to be installed 
under $HOME.


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Re: TV Tuner

[Thomas H. George]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:25:25AM -0700, Kevin Ross wrote:
> > From: Thomas H. George [mailto:li...@tomgeorge.info]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:42 AM
> > 
> > Purchased and installed Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250.  After installation
> > X-window failed to start, error message Type1, no such module.  lspci
> > showed multimedia video controller Conexant Device 8880 (rev 4) had
> > been
> > added.  Removed the board until I learn how to correct this problem.
> 
> Recent versions of xorg-server do not include the type1 font module
> (completely replaced by freetype).
> 
> Remove it from the "Modules" section in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
> 
> It does seem really bizarre that it would work without the board installed,
> and fail with it installed, though.  One should have nothing to do with the
> other.

In the meantime I put the card in a Debian Squeeze box and there was no
problem with X-Windows but I don't know how to use the card.  Gnome
didn't recognize it so I tried to use wine to run the setup.exe on the
cd but this failed.  I think I read one post that said Ubuntu recognized
it out of the box.  Is this the best way or can Debian do this too?  If
so, how?

Tom
> 
> -- Kevin
> 
> 
> 


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Re: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Mark Allums]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2009-08-25 10:10, Peng Yu wrote:

Hi,

My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
directory?


You can't.

Anyway, why install a *Debian* package, when you should be trying to 
install an RPM?


RedHat and Fedora may let you install foreign packages, but I expect you 
need to do some work to make it happen.  For instance, Debian has the 
"alien" tool to convert RPMs to .deb.  Even then, Debian users are not 
home and dry, because the install scripts may do dumb things trying to 
install a foreign package, and apt/aptitude/Synaptic (dpkg) may get 
confused.


It would be better to install from source, and GNU-style source can be 
installed by a regular user. It would not be part of the usual 
aggregation of packages, it would probably wind up in the /usr/local 
areas, or in your home hierarchy, according to the options you give to 
the ./configure script.


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Re: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-25 10:10, Peng Yu wrote:

Hi,

My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
directory?


You can't.

Anyway, why install a *Debian* package, when you should be trying to 
install an RPM?


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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-25 13:55, Chris Jones wrote:

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:56:27PM EDT, Paul Cartwright wrote:

[..]


but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about
my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task..


As another poster hinted, this is another example of the hidden benefits
of cloning the Microsoft model.


Is that a benefit or a "benefit"?

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RE: TV Tuner

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Thomas H. George [mailto:li...@tomgeorge.info]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:15 PM
> 
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:25:25AM -0700, Kevin Ross wrote:
> > > From: Thomas H. George [mailto:li...@tomgeorge.info]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:42 AM
> > >
> > > Purchased and installed Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250.  After
> installation
> > > X-window failed to start, error message Type1, no such module.
> lspci
> > > showed multimedia video controller Conexant Device 8880 (rev 4) had
> > > been
> > > added.  Removed the board until I learn how to correct this
> problem.
> >
> > Recent versions of xorg-server do not include the type1 font module
> > (completely replaced by freetype).
> >
> > Remove it from the "Modules" section in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
> >
> > It does seem really bizarre that it would work without the board
> installed,
> > and fail with it installed, though.  One should have nothing to do
> with the
> > other.
> 
> In the meantime I put the card in a Debian Squeeze box and there was no
> problem with X-Windows but I don't know how to use the card.  Gnome
> didn't recognize it so I tried to use wine to run the setup.exe on the
> cd but this failed.  I think I read one post that said Ubuntu
> recognized
> it out of the box.  Is this the best way or can Debian do this too?  If
> so, how?
> 

I just posted a response to your question on AVS Forums, but the short
answer is, don't use the Windows software that comes with it.  Install
MythTV instead.

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Re: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[debian]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:10:32 -0500
Peng Yu  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
> install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
> Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
> directory?
> 
> Regards,
> Peng

This is obviously an administered machine, so unless you're trying to
do something devious, why not just request that the program be
installed?  I can't imagine that a program like "screen" would be
denied.

jeff


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Re: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Alex Samad]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 02:08:12PM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 02:01:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> My system is RedHat. But I don't have root permission. But I want to
> >> install a Debian package (for example, screen) in my home directory.
> >> Can somebody let me know how to install such a package in my home
> >> directory?
> >
> > You can't.
> >
> > Anyway, why install a *Debian* package, when you should be trying to  
> > install an RPM?
> 
> Sometimes (like now, for me), you are on a Red Hat/Fedora/CentOS
> machine administered by someone else and want to use some software
> which is available on Debian with ease. It is tough, because of the
> several dependencies, library requirements etc.; so much that it is
> better to compile the package from source, but sometimes, it might be
> useful to just grab that executable from the Debian package? (I have
> never done this though.

I find in these situation rpmfind.net to be very helpful - this is also
the situation I am thankful I work with debian :)

Alex

> 
> Kumar
> 
> 

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Re: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Mitchell Laks]

On 19:20 Mon 24 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> startx or gdm?

i shut off gdm and am working with startx at the command line.
:)
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Re: How to install a debian package without root on a non-Debian system?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 25 August 2009 14:40:35 deb...@waysoft.com wrote:
> I can't imagine that a program like "screen" would be
> denied.

1. Non-standard (i.e. not part of the well-understood system image).
2. Additional work load -- maintenance; security.

...just off the top of my head.
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Re: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-25 15:58, Mitchell Laks wrote:

On 19:20 Mon 24 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:

startx or gdm?


i shut off gdm and am working with startx at the command line.
:)


Good for you!

Have you tried "startx -- -v"?  It might not work, but couldn't hurt.

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Re: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Mitchell Laks]

On 00:36 Tue 25 Aug , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> look in /tmp or /var/tmp
> 
> delete related files and dirs belonging to the user and restart X.
> 
> they probably killed the pc and it has some lock files around
> 
> it's broken!

I agree that there is some file that is causing the problem, but I think it is 
in
/home/bill rather than in /tmp /var/tmp. I just deleted
rm -rf and thing owned my bill in those two driectories
and still no solution.

Recall that if I change the login directory to 
/home/bill/temp in /etc/passwd
then bill can startx just as any other user can. it is only 
from the /home/bill that x fails (silently :()

thanks,
mitchell



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Re: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,25.Aug.09, 17:11:45, Mitchell Laks wrote:
 
> Recall that if I change the login directory to 
> /home/bill/temp in /etc/passwd
> then bill can startx just as any other user can. it is only 
> from the /home/bill that x fails (silently :()

What are the permissions of that directory?

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Re: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Mitchell Laks]

On 16:06 Tue 25 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:
> >i shut off gdm and am working with startx at the command line.
> >:)
> 
> Good for you!

i only put it on for my sister anyway, i use command line
> 
> Have you tried "startx -- -v"?  It might not work, but couldn't hurt.

i have tried it no success.
mitchell


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Re: Important commands lose permissions after upgrades.

[Nuno Magalhães]

> The first thing I would do in your situation is to make sure my disk
> isn't dying. Run a forced fsck on all filesystems (including /) and use
> smartctl (packege: smartmontools) to check your disk for errors.

Erhm... the drive's fairily recent, it's a "Maxtor 160GB SATA II
7200RPM 8Mb Cache" from 2006. The system does the occasional fsck and
the most recent (2-3 days ago) was on /. SMART reported the drive as
beying ok, although i barely used it.

This only happens if i dist-upgrade my system, so i assume it's some
package i have and its pre/post scripts or something similar.

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Re: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 17:11:45 -0400, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> On 00:36 Tue 25 Aug , Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> > look in /tmp or /var/tmp
> > 
> > delete related files and dirs belonging to the user and restart X.
> > 
> > they probably killed the pc and it has some lock files around
> > 
> > it's broken!
> 
> I agree that there is some file that is causing the problem, but I think it 
> is in
> /home/bill rather than in /tmp /var/tmp. I just deleted
> rm -rf and thing owned my bill in those two driectories
> and still no solution.
> 
> Recall that if I change the login directory to 
> /home/bill/temp in /etc/passwd
> then bill can startx just as any other user can. it is only 
> from the /home/bill that x fails (silently :()

Which filesystem is used on the partition that holds /home/bill? When
did you last check it for errors? Does "smartctl -a ..." report anything
suspicious about the hard drive?

What do you get from

stat /home/bill/

lsattr -d /home/bill/

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Re: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Mitchell Laks]

On 16:06 Tue 25 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-08-25 15:58, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> >On 19:20 Mon 24 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>startx or gdm?
> >
> >i shut off gdm and am working with startx at the command line.
> >:)
> 
> Good for you!
> 
> Have you tried "startx -- -v"?  It might not work, but couldn't hurt.
> 

i had tried that and it did not work.
i was looking for the options of X itself...


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RE: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Kevin Ross]

> From: Mitchell Laks [mailto:ml...@post.harvard.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:48 PM
> 
> On 16:06 Tue 25 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 2009-08-25 15:58, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> > >On 19:20 Mon 24 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:
> > >>startx or gdm?
> > >
> > >i shut off gdm and am working with startx at the command line.
> > >:)
> >
> > Good for you!
> >
> > Have you tried "startx -- -v"?  It might not work, but couldn't hurt.
> >
> 
> i had tried that and it did not work.
> i was looking for the options of X itself...

Is there something in your ~/.xinitrc, ~/.Xsessionrc, or ~/.xserverrc file
causing startup to fail?

Have you looked for errors in the ~/.xsession-errors file?


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RE: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[Kevin Ross]

> From: JoeHill [mailto:joeh...@teksavvy.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:14 PM
> > Is there something in your ~/.xinitrc, ~/.Xsessionrc, or ~/.xserverrc
> file
> > causing startup to fail?
> >
> > Have you looked for errors in the ~/.xsession-errors file?
> 
> Okay, c'mon, did you read his original post? I mean, really:
> 
> "I looked for .xinitrc .xsession files .xsession-error  files etc.
> 
> I looked in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and no information..."

Actually I read every post in this thread, and by the time I got to the last
post, I forgot that detail from the first post, since it was never mentioned
again.

Sorry for the extra line noise.  Move along, nothing to see here...

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Re: x won't start as a particular user. for other users works fine. what file is causing it? how to troubleshoot?

[JoeHill]

Kevin Ross wrote: 

> > From: Mitchell Laks [mailto:ml...@post.harvard.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:48 PM
> > 
> > On 16:06 Tue 25 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:  
> > > On 2009-08-25 15:58, Mitchell Laks wrote:  
> > > >On 19:20 Mon 24 Aug , Ron Johnson wrote:  
> > > >>startx or gdm?  
> > > >
> > > >i shut off gdm and am working with startx at the command line.
> > > >:)  
> > >
> > > Good for you!
> > >
> > > Have you tried "startx -- -v"?  It might not work, but couldn't hurt.
> > >  
> > 
> > i had tried that and it did not work.
> > i was looking for the options of X itself...  
> 
> Is there something in your ~/.xinitrc, ~/.Xsessionrc, or ~/.xserverrc file
> causing startup to fail?
> 
> Have you looked for errors in the ~/.xsession-errors file?

Okay, c'mon, did you read his original post? I mean, really:

"I looked for .xinitrc .xsession files .xsession-error  files etc.

I looked in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and no information..."

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Re: motherboad for desktop

[Alexandru Cardaniuc]

Ron Johnson  writes:

> On 2009-08-23 11:01, Francesco Pietra wrote:
>> Hi: My old K7S5A (SiS735 chipset) Athlon i386 lenny desktop has died
>> and I am wondering how to set up a new one for the same service
>> (running 32bit graphic scientific programs, besides office use, and
>> establishing scp connection with my amd64 computing machines).
>> Absolutely no need of multicore, rather, a single fast processor
>> would be of use for scientific purposes as parallelized codes are
>> rare stuff. I thought to by a second hand single-processor
>> motherboard but it might result as a bad jump into the past. Also, I
>> have a couple of unused 150GB Raptor WD HDs that could only be used
>> if nthe motherboard has SATA connections (better two, so as to set
>> up a RAID1).
>> Any suggestion on which motherboard (or motherboard type if you
>> prefer to be uncommittal about brand) would be greatly appreciated.
>
> If I wanted the fastest-available single-core CPU, I'd look for these
> on Ebay: Pentium D 900 at 3.4 GHz Pentium 4 6X1 at 3.8 GHz

As a bonus, you'll be able to save some money on heating in the Winter :)


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Re: [Debian] Re: Grub boot problems

[Andrew Reid]

On Monday 24 August 2009 22:46:55 Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
> > Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> >> kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet
> >
> > you have the root already
> >
> > root(hd1,0) is used for setup, I think.
>
> The only reason I posed the question is because all my Dell PCs have
> this problem, and every time Debian upgrades the kernel APT redoes
> munu.lst, so the computers won't boot.  It doesn't take long to fix the
> problem, but it would seem that a better solution rather than constantly
> having to modify menu.lst would be to fix the problem once and for all
> on the PC end.

  What is "groot" set to in your menu.lst?  It's possible/likely
that just setting the right "groot" and re-running update-grub
will fix things.  If leaving it out works, then (hd0,0) is a 
likely candidate for the right answer.

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my monitor wont start

[Salman Bashir]

Hi

I installed Debian through network option. However after installation, I booted 
my computer for the first time and waited for my "moment of truth". However I 
got a blank screen on my LCD monitor which said, "Video mode not supported". 
And debian I guess was working fine but there was no output on screen.

What do I do?

regards
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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Chris Jones]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 03:02:44PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-08-25 13:55, Chris Jones wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:56:27PM EDT, Paul Cartwright wrote:
>>
>> [..]

>>> but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking
>>> about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task..

>> As another poster hinted, this is another example of the hidden
>> benefits of cloning the Microsoft model.

> Is that a benefit or a "benefit"?

I'll leave that for the OP to decide.. 

Thanks for providing the historical background.. never knew Microsoft
had invented the all-in-one mailer that does one thing right.. make it
difficult to switch.

CJ


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RE: my monitor wont start

[Kevin Ross]

Press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to switch to a text console.  You should be able to login
normally and fix your xorg.conf file.  Also, from within X, you can press
Ctrl-Alt-+ to cycle through the resolutions.  One of them should make your
monitor happy.

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Re: modifier keys stop working [second try]

[Steve Kleene]

[At the risk of being annoying, I am re-posting this question.]

I am repeatedly losing modifier-key function.

I run an up-to-date Lenny system and use the window manager fvwm (2.5.26-1)
so that I can mostly work from the command line.  I also have a virtual XP
machine (VM, VMware 1.06).

If I use the VM for a few minutes (usually Photoshop, sometimes Acrobat), I
find that SHIFT, CTRL, and ALT no longer modify what I enter in the Linux
window.  For example, CTRL-c, ALT-c, and SHIFT-c all just send `c'.  The
modulator keys all still function in the VMware window.  I have not
identified any particular sequence that causes the change.  Shutting down the
VM doesn't fix it.  Exiting fvwm and calling startx again does.  When I ran
"dumpkeys -l" in the healthy and diseased states, the outputs were identical.
In my previous build (Etch + fvwm 2.5.18-3 + VMware 1.0.4), I never had this
problem.

The questions ...

1. Any idea what causes this or how to prevent it?  I'm not optimistic here.
2. Can anyone suggest a command line that might restore the key functions so
   that I wouldn't have to shut down the window manager?
3. Finally, a fun puzzle (inspired by actual events).  If I have a window up
   with text I want to save before shutting down the windows, how can I do
   the save without modifier keys?  I can copy the text with the mouse, but
   then what?  Redirect (< > << |) needs the SHIFT key.  I can't terminate
   stdin with CTRL-d.  I'm hoping to do better than scrot + OCR.

Thanks.


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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-25 18:29, Chris Jones wrote:

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 03:02:44PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2009-08-25 13:55, Chris Jones wrote:

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:56:27PM EDT, Paul Cartwright wrote:

[..]



but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking
about my 200 kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task..



As another poster hinted, this is another example of the hidden
benefits of cloning the Microsoft model.



Is that a benefit or a "benefit"?


I'll leave that for the OP to decide.. 


Thanks for providing the historical background.. never knew Microsoft
had invented the all-in-one mailer that does one thing right.. make it
difficult to switch.


Actually, I think that was a Nutscrape "innovation", needed because 
of Windows' limited/non-existent multitasking abilities at the time.


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Re: Help with dict-client in Lenny?

[s. keeling]

Charlie :
>  On Sun, 10 May 2009 18:29:56 -0600 "s. keeling" 
>  shared this with us all:
> 
> >Hi.  I've two Lenny boxes, both pretty much hand-crafted (as in no
> >"Desktop Environment" on install; I startx into fluxbox).
> >
> >On one of them, dict-client works as expected.  It brings the result
> >up in a pager.  In the other box, no pager.  It just dumps it to
> >stdout.  How do I change this, or track down the problem?  I've looked

Sorry it took so long to find your reply; seems to happen to me a lot.
This was useful, thanks.  /etc/dictd/dict.conf contains:

# pager most
server localhost 
server dict.org
server dict0.us.dict.org
server alt0.dict.org

I uncomment the pager line and get:

/etc/dictd/dict.conf:17: syntax error, unexpected TOKEN_STRING, expecting 
TOKEN_SERVER
/etc/dictd/dict.conf:17: pager most
/etc/dictd/dict.conf:17: ^
dict (yyerror): parse error


most is installed.


>  This may help from man dict:
> 
>  -c file or --config file
>Specify  the  configuration  file.   The  default  is
>  to  try ~/.dictrc and /etc/dictd/dict.conf, using the first file that

Again, thanks.


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Re: "deborphan" is a wonderful utility

[Celejar]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:07:35 -0400 (EDT)
"Robert P. J. Day"  wrote:

...

> p.s.  starting with a server that had just over 600 packages, i'm now
> down to 460, with no loss in functionality.  hopefully, this will make
> that final upgrade as safe as possible.

Just as a miscellaneous reference point, I recently reinstalled Debian
on my laptop, partly in order to move to full disk encryption, and
partly as a drastic way to remove accumulated cruft.  Instead of doing
the --get-selection --set-selection thing, I just did a minimal install
and then added things back as I needed them.  I currently have 624
packages installed, and that's with build-essential, X, a large chunk
of Xfce (but not all of it), several (mostly relatively lightweight) X
apps (liferea, sylpheed, geany, mplayer), iceweasel, openoffice.org
writer, and sundry other stuff.

> p.p.s.  i'm starting to like this debian thing more and more.  :-)

+1

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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Celejar]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:21 +0300
Micha  wrote:

> On 8/24/2009 11:34 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > On Mon August 24 2009, Micha wrote:
> >> Personally I use fetchmail + procmail to fetch and filter my mail
> >
> > I use fetchmail to pull in my mail for all my domain accounts. Kmail pulls 
> > it
> > all in via my local user. From there I have many, MANY filters to put mail 
> > in
> > separate folders.
> > what benefit would I get from procmail?

...

> 3. Text file with regular expression based rules that you know where it 
> resides 
> and can back it up and human read it

As the resident Sylpheed fanboy, I must point out that Sylph stores
all its configuration, including its filter rules (which can utilize
regex's), in fairly easy to understand XML files under
$HOME/.sylpheed-2.0.

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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Celejar]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:44:57 +0300
Andrei Popescu  wrote:

> On Ma,25.aug.09, 13:32:21, Micha wrote:
>  
> > On the downside, if you want to explicitly pull mail now, pulling
> > mail from kmail doesn't pull the mail off your accounts, you need to
> > do that explicitly from the command line
> 
> Not very familiar with kmail, but claws-mail (sylpheed too?) has 
> configurable "Actions" which you can use to run external 
> programs/scripts.

Of course Sylph does ;)

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Re: modifier keys stop working [second try]

[Celejar]

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:34:48 -0400
Steve Kleene  wrote:

...

> 3. Finally, a fun puzzle (inspired by actual events).  If I have a window up
>with text I want to save before shutting down the windows, how can I do
>the save without modifier keys?  I can copy the text with the mouse, but
>then what?  Redirect (< > << |) needs the SHIFT key.  I can't terminate
>stdin with CTRL-d.  I'm hoping to do better than scrot + OCR.

Why can't you just paste the text into an open editor in another
window?  Have I misunderstood some aspect of the situation?

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Re: .mov skipping?

[i'll teach you to turn away.]

Ron Johnson  wrote:
RJ> On 2009-08-22 01:58, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
>>   nope, all of the recent offenders report "ISO Media, Apple 
>> QuickTime movie" with file. the only working .movs i have around right now 
RJ> Like I said, run idvid on them.

erm. installing tovid wants to remove a bunch of crap i use 
regularly. i hate that.

if that's what it comes down to, i guess i either wait for the 
appropriate upgrade to hit or i just suck it up. :/ thanks anyhow.

lish
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Inquiry:How to make use of VM to install RedHat 7.2

[hadi motamedi]

Dear All
Can you please do me favor and let me know how we can make use of CentOS 5
installation on the pc and make use of it as host for VMWare/Virtualbox/Qemu
and then inside one of VM try to install RedHat 7.2 ?
Sorry bothering you and thank you in advance
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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Chris Jones]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57:01PM EDT, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:21 +0300
> Micha  wrote:

> ...

> > 3. Text file with regular expression based rules that you know where
> > it resides and can back it up and human read it

> As the resident Sylpheed fanboy, I must point out that Sylph stores
> all its configuration, including its filter rules (which can utilize
> regex's), in fairly easy to understand XML files under
> $HOME/.sylpheed-2.0.

Nice.. 

So it should be fairly straightforward to generate a procmail .rc file
and move the filters  where they rightly belong..

:-)

CJ



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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Tue, Aug 25 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Mon,24.Aug.09, 20:56:27, Paul Cartwright wrote:
>
>> but looking at the procmailrc( now non-existant), then thinking about my 200 
>> kmail filters, I'm not sure I could tackle that task..
>
> maildir (and procmail too as I hear, but I don't like its syntax) is 
> *very* powerful. I recently did a major rewrite on my maildrop rules. I 
> had one rule for each Debian list, now I have exactly one:
>
> # These are the lists.debian.org lists
> if (/^List-Id:.*/)
> {
>   to Maildir/.debian.$MATCH1  
> }
>
> Similar for googlegroups, alioth, ... All that was needed was a bit of 
> folder renaming ;)

Hmm. Here is my Debian section; this pulls out emails for my
 packages from the pts, discards all other devel-changes mail;  pulls
 out boring debbugs  email, send bugs for my package into a package
 specific folder,  pulls out mail sent to bugs I reported separately,
 and then files every debian group to a separate folder.

Oh, I used to separate out ballots and votes, etc, but that is
 mostly done away with.

After mailagent, procmail seems ... underpowered.

manoj

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Re: .mov skipping?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-25 21:58, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:

Ron Johnson  wrote:
RJ> On 2009-08-22 01:58, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
  nope, all of the recent offenders report "ISO Media, Apple 
QuickTime movie" with file. the only working .movs i have around right now 

RJ> Like I said, run idvid on them.

	erm. installing tovid wants to remove a bunch of crap i use 
regularly. i hate that.


	if that's what it comes down to, i guess i either wait for the 
appropriate upgrade to hit or i just suck it up. :/ thanks anyhow.


Really?  It's Depends list isn't that unusual for this kind of s/w, 
so what does it want to deinstall?


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Re: ProcMail, WAS: Re: Fetchmail and Gmail

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-08-25 23:30, Chris Jones wrote:

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57:01PM EDT, Celejar wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:32:21 +0300
Micha  wrote:



...



3. Text file with regular expression based rules that you know where
it resides and can back it up and human read it



As the resident Sylpheed fanboy, I must point out that Sylph stores
all its configuration, including its filter rules (which can utilize
regex's), in fairly easy to understand XML files under
$HOME/.sylpheed-2.0.


Nice.. 


So it should be fairly straightforward to generate a procmail .rc file
and move the filters  where they rightly belong..


Or, if you are in your right mind, maildrop.

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Can't recall the package name..........

[Charlie]

Just got a new hard drive after the old one died, trying to get printer
working, can't recall the package name that has all the printer
information and drivers.

Can someone please inform me.

Thank you
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Re: Can't recall the package name..........

[Kousik Maiti]

Use cups.


On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Charlie  wrote:

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> Just got a new hard drive after the old one died, trying to get printer
> working, can't recall the package name that has all the printer
> information and drivers.
>
> Can someone please inform me.
>
> Thank you
> Charlie
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Re: Can't recall the package name..........

[Charlie]

Found it thank you.

Sorry for the noise.

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Re: Can't recall the package name..........

[Charlie]

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:57:35 +0530 Kousik Maiti 
sent this information:


>Use cups.

Thank you
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