Re: sid: nVidia fails with x.org

[Ron Johnson]

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On 04/23/07 10:21, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Since the latest sid upgrade, I haven't been able to make use of the nvidia
> drivers.  Here's the x.org output:
> 
> xauth:  creating new authority file /home/baloo/.serverauth.30719
> 
> X Window System Version 1.3.0
> Release Date: 19 April 2007
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3
> Build Operating System: Linux Debian
> Current Operating System: Linux ursa-major 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26
> 17:57:1
> 5 UTC 2007 i686
> Build Date: 21 April 2007
> Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
> to make sure that you have the latest version.
> Module Loader present
> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
> (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 23 08:20:53 2007
> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
> 
> (II) Module already built-in
> dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv40gl
> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (loader failed, 7)
> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) No drivers available.
> 
> Fatal server error:
> no screens found
> giving up.
> xinit:  Connection reset by peer (errno 104):  unable to connect to X server
> xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
> 
> Any ideas?

A 2.6.20.x kernel where PARAVIRT is *disabled* definitely works with
the nvidia.com 9755 driver.

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Jefferson LA  USA

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Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Re: Re: Irresponsible user stories!

[Gnu_Raiz]

 
"Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrote:

> Did you end up figuring out who this person is, or not?

I never did other than the fact that he probably goes by the name of Jon. 
I would really need to have access to the logs to determine who logged in 
at that lab by that name. Otherwise it would be more work to determine 
who the person was.

I have to agree my University is Windows only and a good lab tech, or 
administrator should of detected it right away. That is why I am not 
surprised that people get away with this, 97% of the computers I log onto 
have outdated bioses, and older versions of software that is not patched. 
For example that computer had a bios version of A00, an old Dell probably 
5 years old, with a crt monitor, and a dusty keyboard with a manual 
rollbar mouse. That is why I was surprised that networking was not 
working. Parentally someone has setup something correctly, I give credit 
to Novel as the University uses their software for networking. I can't 
even get a ping, but I did not try a static IP address, just ifconfig, 
and dhclient to see if I could talk to the router, but no dice.  Whats 
even more funny is this was located in the math building, and the lab is 
supposedly run by the math, and computer science department.

I use to carry around baby wipes, to clean the screens, and keyboards of 
the computers I used.  It's kind of funny, you would think that the lab 
techs would do that on occasion, but no one seems to bother. I do notice 
that if you do clean a few screens and keyboards, students seem to want 
those computers more. I only use the labs to save on printing ink at 
home, even with that I use one ink cartridge every 3-4 months.  

I was talking to one of my professors she was telling us that the 
department was forcing them to use outlook as their mail client. You 
would get in trouble if you used another client, or any unauthorized mail 
agent such as webmail, Goggle or other such stuff. So I am not surprised 
that students get away with this stuff, put what gets me is my University 
is trying to do Microsoft on the cheap.

You would think that Open Source would have a really good hold at a place 
like this, but it doesn't. What I mean is they the University wants 
everyone to use Microsoft but they require the students to purchase the 
license.  In fact the University bookstore does not sell software, in 
order to get a student license you need to go to an office in a basement 
and fill out a special form then pay the student price, then take back 
the receipt to the same place then they will give you the discs. I have 
even thought about writing a professor .doc howto to tell students and 
professors of how to use Open Source software such as Open Office, and 
how to use tools such as catdoc, and Goggle to do papers and projects. As 
an example I was sent a .doc file of like two sentences that took up 25 
kilobytes, no special headers, or frames was needed after saving it 
to .txt it was like 8 kilobytes. I mean the professor could of just c/p 
it to an email but had to use it as an attachment. I mean I could really 
write a ten page howto, just to explain the benefits of not using .doc 
and ppt, how pdf, htlm are preferred just to not confuse students.  Oh if 
your curious about what University I attend it's the University of 
Memphis, not that it makes any difference.

Gnu_Raiz


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[OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Michael Dominok]

Am Dienstag, den 24.04.2007, 02:46 -0500 schrieb Gnu_Raiz:

[Snipped Horrorstory]

> Oh if 
> your curious about what University I attend it's the University of 
> Memphis, not that it makes any difference.

Is this typical for US-universities?
3 out of the 3 (german) universities I have attended were running
*nix-system for their students/stuff.

Looks like "old Europe" is leading here?

Cheers

Michael



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Re: Debian User List

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:38:34 -0700
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Paul,

> > Nah, the kids these days think MLs are old hat and frumpy compared
> > to web forums.
> No, kids are lazy and don't want to learn how to research, or do the

Maybe, but why then, do they faff around logging in to web sites,
checking for new messages, and what-not when firing up an MUA and
having it brought to you is soo much simpler?

> research themselves.

That, at least, appears to be true.   :-(

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Re: Unix-ify File Names

[Frank Terbeck]

Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Frank Terbeck wrote:
>> Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Frank Terbeck wrote:
 Daniel B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[...]
>>> For example, Emacs' tags files use commas as delimiters, and (last I
>>> knew) don't have an escape/encoding mechansim for representing a comma
>>> _in_ a file name, so (again, last I knew) a Linux kernel file with
>>> a comma in its name doesn't get processed right.
>> So? Just because there are programs that limit the namespace of the
>> files they are working with (which is _absolutely_ okay), does not
>> mean, that shell scripts must obey to these programs' behaviours. 
>
> How did you infer that I was arguing that the shells should follow
> those programs' behaviors?  I wasn't arguing for that.
>
> I was pointing out that using shell-special characters in filenames
> was (somewhat) bad--it triggers problems with non-robust programs.

Then where is the point for the discussion? I am not telling anyone
to bring filenames with weird characters into their system. But it is
possible to support them if they are there.

If you do not know about the data you are dealing with, limiting the
code does not make sense. But I said that before.

[...]
>> Btw: xargs is not needed if your find binary is reasonably POSIX
>> compliant. Just use '+' instead of ';' with the -exec option. (Yes, I
>> know that GNU find didn't support this for quite some time.)
>
> Which version of find supports that?  My (Sarge) system's man page
> for find doesn't seem to mention it yet.

I said GNU find didn't support it for quite some time.
But nevertheless, SUSv3 defined it before (and there is not just the
GNU version of find in this world).

The GNU find in etch supports it.

> Does the "+" make find invoke the command with multiple filenames at
> once?

Yes.

>>> However, what about the general case?
>>>
>>> It sounds like for i in `...` doesn't have an escaping/encoding
>>> mechanism that is sufficient to handle both (unescaped) asterisks
>>> that represent wildcards and escaped/encoded asterisks that represent
>>> literal asterists.
>> I don't think you really understand, what is happening here.
>> [snip]
>> % foo='bar\ baz' ; % for i in `echo "$foo"` ; do echo "($i)" ; done
>> (bar\)
>> (baz)
>> [snap]
>> You _cannot_ escape things there. 
>
> So how am I misunderstanding it?  (I said it sounds like the shell
> for loop doesn't support escaping.  You said one cannot escape
> things there.  Those statements are consistent with each other.
> So how am I not understanding it?

See end of mail.

>> You see, this is not the type of thing, you want to teach beginners.
>> Hence, 'for i in `...`' loops should be avoided by beginners (did you
>> realize, that you dropped 'ls *glob*' from the backtick expression? 
>
> Yes.  Did you realize that I was trying to talk about cases that are
> more general that just globbing done by the shell?

Yes. Otherwise you would have left the glob in there.
But you are narrowing the subject until it fits your argumentation.

> (By the way, why do keep sticking extraneous commas in the middle
> your sentences?)

No native English speaker here. Want to recommend a book about
grammar?

[...]
>>> Is there any such command (or, say, built-in function)?
>> It sounds like you are looking for 'eval'.
>
> Yes, that does seem like the easier (and safer) ("right") way.

No. 'eval' is a great tool and has its uses. But it does not make
loops easier, nor safer.

>> But this has got noting to do with the original subject.
>> And this misunderstanding leads me to the conclusion, that you should
>> read up on how various expansions in POSIX shells work (and probably
>> on a few common pitfalls, like maximum size of arguments for external
>> processes, too.);
>
> Yeah, I know about that one (well, that there is a limit, if not
> details).

You do not know it. Otherwise you would know how the expansion in
  for var in `foobar baz`
works, and not argue about 'loops do not support escaping'. Escaping
is a different topic, that does not apply here.

I will not continue the discussion just for the sake of it.
I think I have made my point clear by now.

Regards, Frank

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nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Re: sid: nVidia fails with x.org

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 04/23/07 10:21, Paul Johnson wrote:

Since the latest sid upgrade, I haven't been able to make use of the nvidia
drivers.  Here's the x.org output:

xauth:  creating new authority file /home/baloo/.serverauth.30719

X Window System Version 1.3.0
Release Date: 19 April 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3
Build Operating System: Linux Debian
Current Operating System: Linux ursa-major 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26
17:57:1
5 UTC 2007 i686
Build Date: 21 April 2007
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 23 08:20:53 2007
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

(II) Module already built-in
dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv40gl
(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (loader failed, 7)
(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) No drivers available.

Fatal server error:
no screens found
giving up.
xinit:  Connection reset by peer (errno 104):  unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console

Any ideas?


A 2.6.20.x kernel where PARAVIRT is *disabled* definitely works with
the nvidia.com 9755 driver.



Unfortunately with an MX-440 and an MX-400 I need *at most* the 9731 
driver :-(


Hugo



















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plextor px-230a Err in debian installation

[MH CA]

Hi
I have a plextor CD Writer on my PC , after booting from CD writer and running 
setup checks , debian throws an error that says can not find the CD ROM device 
while it`s booting from this device ! what` s the problem?
thanks

   
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Re: sid: nVidia fails with x.org

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 04/23/07 10:21, Paul Johnson wrote:
Since the latest sid upgrade, I haven't been able to make use of the 
nvidia

drivers.  Here's the x.org output:

xauth:  creating new authority file /home/baloo/.serverauth.30719

X Window System Version 1.3.0
Release Date: 19 April 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3
Build Operating System: Linux Debian
Current Operating System: Linux ursa-major 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26
17:57:1
5 UTC 2007 i686
Build Date: 21 April 2007
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 23 08:20:53 2007
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

(II) Module already built-in
dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv40gl
(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (loader failed, 7)
(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) No drivers available.

Fatal server error:
no screens found
giving up.
xinit:  Connection reset by peer (errno 104):  unable to connect to X 
server

xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console

Any ideas?


A 2.6.20.x kernel where PARAVIRT is *disabled* definitely works with
the nvidia.com 9755 driver.



Unfortunately with an MX-440 and an MX-400 I need *at most* the 9731 
driver :-(


Hugo



But see this:
http://www.khensu.org/index.php?itemid=182

Hugo


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hosed etch upgrade

[Graham Seaman]

Hi,

I had a system which had been running updates from test (ie. etch) for a 
while and when etch was formally released like an idiot decided I could 
do the final upgrade without reading the upgrade documents...


Result: I rebooted before having upgraded the kernel (I'm on 
2.6.8-2-686) and so udev doesn't work and I have no network access (ie. 
no eth0). I decided the easiest way round this would be to do a kernel 
upgrade, but the machine also has no floppy drive so I've been burning 
CDs trying to get all the necessary dependencies over as I find the ones 
I've missed. I've now run out of CDs so about to set off to buy some 
more (unfortunately nowhere near here sells debian cd sets :-(


Currently I am trying to install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, which 
requires a ramdisk creator, which I didn't have. As yaird has fewer 
nested dependencies than initramfs I went that way, but now get the 
error message during installation:


yaird error: destination /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686.new already 
exists (fatal)


This error message persists when I remove the offending file. Does 
anyone have any ideas - or know if there is an easier approach to get my 
system back? (eg. some way to switch off udev and  get my network back 
manually)


Thanks!

Graham


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Default soundcard with alsa

[Atis]

Hi,

I have two soundcards, but after each reboot the built-in gets
default, so after every reboot i have to run alsaconf, and select
correct soundcard.

How i can have my second card to be primary after every reboot? I
suspect alsaconf doesn't write something correctly, but i don't get
any error messages.

Currently using Lenny, but had the same problem on Etch.

Regards,
Atis

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci | grep udio
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
01:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep snd
snd_cmipci 31456  5
gameport   14632  1 snd_cmipci
snd_pcm_oss38368  0
snd_mixer_oss  15200  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm68676  3 snd_cmipci,snd_pcm_oss
snd_page_alloc  9640  1 snd_pcm
snd_opl3_lib9920  1 snd_cmipci
snd_hwdep   8836  1 snd_opl3_lib
snd_mpu401_uart 8064  1 snd_cmipci
snd_seq_dummy   3844  0
snd_seq_oss28768  0
snd_seq_midi8192  0
snd_seq_midi_event  7008  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq45680  6
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer  20996  4 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq
snd_rawmidi22560  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_device  7820  6
snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
snd47012  18
snd_cmipci,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
soundcore   9248  2 snd


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problem with debmirror on etch: Release signature does not verify.

[Alex Teclo]

Hi there,

I am having a problem with debmirror on etch: It used to work, but now
it fails to download files properly
Package: debmirror
Version: 20060907.1
Debian Release: 4.0



Here is /etc/debmirror.conf:


# /etc/debmirror.conf
# Output options
$verbose=1;
$progress=0;
$debug=0;

# Download options
# $host="
ftp.belnet.be";

# $user="anonymous";
$remoteroot="";
$download_method="http";
@dists="etch";
@sections="main,contrib,non-free";

@arches="i386";
# @extra_dirs="";

# @ignores="";
# @excludes="";
# @includes="";
# @excludes_deb_section="";
# @limit_priority="";

$skippackages=0;
$getcontents=0;
$do_source=0;

$max_batch=0;

# Security/Sanity options
$ignore_release_gpg=0;
$ignore_release=0;
$check_md5sums=0;
$ignore_small_errors=0;

# Cleanup

$cleanup=1;
$post_cleanup=0;

# Locking options

$timeout=300;

# Rsync options
$rsync_batch=200;
$rsync_options="-aIL --partial";

# FTP/HTTP options
$passive=0;
# $proxy="";


# Dry run
$dry_run=0;

# The config file must return true or perl complains.

# Always copy this.
1;



Here's what my script does:
#!/bin/bash
#

# Main mirror
#
debmirror -v --host=ftp.belnet.be --root="/debian" --dist="etch"
--section="main,contrib,non
-free" /home/mirror/debian

#
# debian-security
#
debmirror -v --host=ftp.de.debian.org
--root="/debian-security" --dist="etch/updates"
--section="main,contrib,non-free" /home/mirror/debian-security

#
# debian-multimedia
#
debmirror -v --host=
www.debian-multimedia.org --dist="etch" --section="main,contrib,non
-free" /home/mirror/debian-multimedia


Here are the results:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:12 /home/mirror>debmirror -v --host=
ftp.belnet.be --root="/debian" --dist="etch"
--section="main,contrib,non-free" /home/mirror/debian

Mirroring to /home/mirror/debian from
http://ftp.belnet.be//debian/
Arches: i386
Dists: etch,etch
Sections: main,contrib,non-free,main,contrib,non-free
Pdiff mode: use.

Attempting to get lock, this might take 2 minutes before it fails.

Get Release files.
[0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release... ok
[0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release.gpg... ok
gpg: Signature made dim 08 avr 2007 12:42:00 CEST using DSA key ID 6070D3A1

gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found

gpg: Signature made dim 08 avr 2007 11:38:40 CEST using DSA key ID ADB11277
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
Release signature does not verify.

[0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release... ok

[0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release.gpg... ok
gpg: Signature made dim 08 avr 2007 12:42:00 CEST using DSA key ID 6070D3A1
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found

gpg: Signature made dim 08 avr 2007 11:38:40 CEST using DSA key ID ADB11277

gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
Release signature does not verify.
Errors:
Release signature does not verify.

Release signature does not verify.
Failed to download some Release or
Release.gpg files!
WARNING: releasing 1 pending lock...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:12 /home/mirror>



[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:14 /home/mirror>debmirror -v --host=

ftp.de.debian.org --root="/debian-security" --dist="etch/updates"
--section="main,contrib,non-free" /home/mirror/debian-security
Mirroring to /home/mirror/debian-security from

http://ftp.de.debian.org//debian-security/
Arches: i386
Dists: etch,etch/updates

Sections: main,contrib,non-free,main,contrib,non-free
Pdiff mode: use.

Attempting to get lock, this might take 2 minutes before it fails.
Get Release files.
[0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release... dists/etch/Release failed 404 Not Found

dists/etch/Release failed md5sum check, removing

[0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release.gpg... dists/etch/Release.gpg failed
404 Not Found
dists/etch/Release.gpg failed md5sum check, removing
Release signature does not verify.

[0%] Getting: dists/etch/updates/Release... ok

[0%] Getting: dists/etch/updates/Release.gpg... ok
gpg: Signature made dim 22 avr 2007 16:56:05 CEST using DSA key ID 6070D3A1
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found

Release signature does not verify.

Errors:
Download of dists/etch/Release failed: 404 Not Found Download of
dists/etch/Release.gpg failed: 404 Not Found Release signature does
not verify.
Release signature does not verify.

Failed to download some Release or
Release.gpg files!
WARNING: releasing 1 pending lock...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:14 /home/mirror>


[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10:15 /home/mirror>debmirror -v --host=
www.debian-multimedia.org
--dist="etch" --section="main,contrib,non-free" /home/mirror/debian-multimedia
Mirroring to /home/mirror/debian-multimedia from
http://www.debian-multimedia.org//

Arches: i386
Dists: etch,etch
Sections: main,contrib,non-free,main,contrib,non-free
Pdiff mode: use.
Attempting to get lock, this might take 2 minutes before it fails.

Get Release files.
[0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release... ok

[0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release.gpg... ok
gpg: Signature made dim 22 avr 2007 10:17:59 CEST using DSA key ID 1F41B907
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found

R

Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Michael Pobega]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 10:28:56AM +0200, Michael Dominok wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 24.04.2007, 02:46 -0500 schrieb Gnu_Raiz:
> 
> [Snipped Horrorstory]
> 
> > Oh if 
> > your curious about what University I attend it's the University of 
> > Memphis, not that it makes any difference.
> 
> Is this typical for US-universities?
> 3 out of the 3 (german) universities I have attended were running
> *nix-system for their students/stuff.
> 
> Looks like "old Europe" is leading here?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 

This isn't typical at all; I went to SUNYIT two weeks ago to check it
out (I submitted an application, haven't heard yet though) and most of
their PCs run either FreeBSD or Gentoo Linux. The non-computer science
PCs run Windows though, but that is out of the proffesor's grasp.

SUNYIT focuses on open source software, they even have a Linux Kernel
Development class. But I'm only saying this to stick up for US schools,
because not all are like that; Some of them actually support FLOSS, to
the point where they use it in their own school and advise that the
students use it on their own computers.

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Re: hosed etch upgrade

[Graham Seaman]

Given the mess I've now reached, decided the easiest thing is to do a 
full install of etch from scratch and restore data from backup... please 
ignore previous message...


Graham

Graham Seaman wrote:

Hi,

I had a system which had been running updates from test (ie. etch) for 
a while and when etch was formally released like an idiot decided I 
could do the final upgrade without reading the upgrade documents...


Result: I rebooted before having upgraded the kernel (I'm on 
2.6.8-2-686) and so udev doesn't work and I have no network access 
(ie. no eth0). I decided the easiest way round this would be to do a 
kernel upgrade, but the machine also has no floppy drive so I've been 
burning CDs trying to get all the necessary dependencies over as I 
find the ones I've missed. I've now run out of CDs so about to set off 
to buy some more (unfortunately nowhere near here sells debian cd sets 
:-(


Currently I am trying to install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, which 
requires a ramdisk creator, which I didn't have. As yaird has fewer 
nested dependencies than initramfs I went that way, but now get the 
error message during installation:


yaird error: destination /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686.new already 
exists (fatal)


This error message persists when I remove the offending file. Does 
anyone have any ideas - or know if there is an easier approach to get 
my system back? (eg. some way to switch off udev and  get my network 
back manually)


Thanks!

Graham





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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Tyler Smith]

On 2007-04-24, Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is this typical for US-universities?
> 3 out of the 3 (german) universities I have attended were running
> *nix-system for their students/stuff.
>
> Looks like "old Europe" is leading here?
>

 3 out of 3 Canadian Universities I have attended were running MS-only
 labs. Ah, not true, my current department maintains a single mac for
 some phylogenetic software. The first time I ever saw a *nix OS other
 than my own was on a visit to Oxford, where the computer lab was
 running Suse.

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Re: hosed etch upgrade

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Hi Graham,

sorry for your troubles.

Graham Seaman wrote:
> Given the mess I've now reached, decided the easiest thing is to do a
> full install of etch from scratch and restore data from backup... please
> ignore previous message...
> 
> Graham
> 
> Graham Seaman wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I had a system which had been running updates from test (ie. etch) for
>> a while and when etch was formally released like an idiot decided I
>> could do the final upgrade without reading the upgrade documents...
>>
>> Result: I rebooted before having upgraded the kernel (I'm on
>> 2.6.8-2-686) and so udev doesn't work and I have no network access

Ooops. No, you *did not* have updates from testing/etch running on your
system for a while. Even oldstable sarge has kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686,
ie. a more recent one than you have/had on your system.

Sarge gives:
uname -a
Linux srv 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Tue Dec 5 21:26:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

etch gives:
Linux johannes2 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686
GNU/Linux

Please take care that your apt/aptitude is configured correctly
(/etc/apt/sources.list)

HTH,

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dpkg-buildpackage; building from subversion

[John Pye]

Hi all,

I'm trying to get my head around package building with Debian, coming
from my earlier experiences with RPMs.

One technique which I found quite good with RPMs was the ability to
create a tarball that *included* the necessary .spec file, and then
just typing "rpmbuild -ta mytarball.tar.bz2". This would extract the
spec file from the tarball and then proceed with the build in my
special build directory (/usr/src/rpm or wherever).

Is there any comparable way of building a .deb package from a single
tarball like this?

The reason I ask is because I am packaging *my own* software. Being
required to apply a diff against my own tarball in this case doesn't
seem to make sense. Most of the tutorials seem to assume that you are
packaging someone else's code, so the focus is a bit different.

So: assuming I have complete control over what is in my tarball, what
is the neatest, tidiest and safest way to set up and run an
actual .deb build?

Cheers
JP


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Re: [OT] Re: Debian User List

[Cybe R. Wizard]

"Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> But then again, each generation has it's faults. Just look at the 60s!

Hey, watch it, bub; the '60s were the ideal time what with all the
head-banging the police were doing.  No, really, at least back then we
were socially conscious.

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Re: Irresponsible user stories!

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Gnu_Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> Oh if 
> your curious about what University I attend it's the University of 
> Memphis, not that it makes any difference.

Ah, the old Memphis State University.  As I recall their only good
department was the drama Dept.  Hey, they did, "HAIR!," back in the
late '60s.  It comes as no surprise that they are Windows-only and
probably don't even know Windows very well.
Good luck.
(Is The Circuit Playhouse still around?)

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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Nate Bargmann]

* Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Apr 24 03:33 -0500]:
> Am Dienstag, den 24.04.2007, 02:46 -0500 schrieb Gnu_Raiz:
> 
> [Snipped Horrorstory]
> 
> > Oh if 
> > your curious about what University I attend it's the University of 
> > Memphis, not that it makes any difference.
> 
> Is this typical for US-universities?

Pretty much.

> Looks like "old Europe" is leading here?

Well, if you consider that a decade or so ago that our universities
implemented technology from a national vendor and what was most likely
to be found in the workplace, it's not so unusual.  The huge installed
base creates its own momentum.  The tide is (probably) slowly turning,
but it will take a while.

- Nate >>

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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Carl Fink]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 06:45:48AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:

> This isn't typical at all; I went to SUNYIT two weeks ago to check it
> out (I submitted an application, haven't heard yet though) and most of
> their PCs run either FreeBSD or Gentoo Linux. The non-computer science
> PCs run Windows though, but that is out of the proffesor's grasp.

I don't even know what SUNYIT stands for.

I asked a computer lab assistant at SUNY Stony Brook about this story. All
their lab PCs have CD and USB booting switched off, and the BIOS
password-protected. And the cases padlocked.
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Re: [OT] Re: Debian User List

[Michael Pobega]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 06:26:46AM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> "Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> > But then again, each generation has it's faults. Just look at the 60s!
> 
> Hey, watch it, bub; the '60s were the ideal time what with all the
> head-banging the police were doing.  No, really, at least back then we
> were socially conscious.
> 

I was more of less referring to the heaps of drug addicted teenagers,
actually. I'm not saying the generation is bad, but what the kids did is
bad; Just as my generation is bad for doing ridiculous, immature things
(MySpace anybody?).

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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Michael Pobega]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 07:43:41AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 06:45:48AM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> 
> > This isn't typical at all; I went to SUNYIT two weeks ago to check it
> > out (I submitted an application, haven't heard yet though) and most of
> > their PCs run either FreeBSD or Gentoo Linux. The non-computer science
> > PCs run Windows though, but that is out of the proffesor's grasp.
> 
> I don't even know what SUNYIT stands for.
> 

State University of New York Institute of Technology

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Re: Help needed with server setup at work

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 05:24:35AM +0200, Rico Secada wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> At work we have a bunch of NFS servers. The servers provide the home
> directories for all the employees client machines. 
> 
> Most of the employees mount their home dirs manually, but some are
> mounted using scripts. Employee John knows he belongs to NFS server 1,
> and emplyoee Britney knows she belongs to NFS server 3 and so on.
> 
> Now due to new conditions I have to set up a new system from which ALL
> employees are able to mount their home directories from their homes
> (where they live). 

Sounds like you really need more than just NFS-export-to-home sort of
thing... What about other things on the network? (email, internal
servers via ssh, you-name-it)  Would they need access to that too, as if
they were in the office?

If so, then a VPN might suit you. I'd recommend openvpn ...

> Since I only have one IP address at my disposal, I need to set up some
> kind of union system in which all home directories apear as they live
> on just one server. Besides that I have to figure out what kind of
> security I need to use. I have been thinking about AFS, and also NFS
> tunneled via OpenSSH.
>
> About the union thing I first thought of somehow union mouting all the
> different home directories on a single machine which then serves as
> the access point, but I am affraid if that particular machine crashes,
> then no one can get to their files. 

If you set up a VPN (and the relevant routing etc), then they should be
able to mount the drives as they normally do in the office...

Hope this helps
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RE: Newbie Aptitude Question about Security Updates

[Jan Sneep]

Now that's what I needed to hear. You are the first to mention an "orange
asterisk" !! ... I suppose Groucho could also have said "Well if you don't
like our first answer ... we have others" :O) So is there some place on the
Gnome desktop that I can click on to get positive feedback that all the
current security updates are in place? As I have never seen an asterisk in
three months, of any color on the tool bar, I'm assuming that something
hasn't been working properly?

I have ALWAYS done the standard stable install, NEVER complied or added even
so much as one simple package and that's my frustration. I had hoped that
the OS would have been more user friendly than Windows. Just as an example,
yesterday I wasted the entire day trying to re-install the OS. Must have
wiped the hard drive, formatted it and tried the Net Install at least 5
times and couldn't figure out what prompt I had answered differently in
prior installs that worked. Finally I decided to try and make a new install
image CD. At that point I realized that a new kernel had been released this
month and my old CD wouldn't work. So now I have a new desktop to figure
out, well at least new to me. Have to figure out how to get Samba and Cups
working all over again. So in effect I'm almost back to where I was in
January. Very frustrating.

I suspect it was the new release that messed things up with Apitude in the
first place. It would have been nice if the program was smart enough to
recognise that there had been a new release and ask me if I wanted to
upgrade the kernel. But then again the Aptitude documentation makes it sound
very simple and SAFE. The program will automatically manage all the
dependencies and even remove packages that are no longer required. I had
never done an update and since I've been given the impression that program
updates are being done all the time it made sense that some dead wood would
need to be removed.

By the way, is there some way / place to identify documentation errors? Did
a search on "workgroup" to try and find out where I can specify the Windows
Workgroup in the Gnome Help documentation. Under "Network Administration
Tool Manual" , section 3.6 "To change the way your system identifies itself
in Windows networks" the documentation says that you can change the
workgroup setting. But in fact not under the General Tab nor under any of
the Tabs can you see what Workgroup is being presented never mind change it.
Documentation also mentions being able to put in WINS addresses, but none of
the tabs show that either. :O(

Jan

-Original Message-
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BartlebyScrivener
Sent: April 23, 2007 10:57 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Newbie Aptitude Question about Security Updates


On Apr 23, 5:00 pm, "Jan Sneep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Doug,
>
> But with all due respect ... it should be easier ... a lot easier! ...
> simple basic stuff, like getting the latest Security Updates, IMHO should
be
> a no-brainer for the average user and not require a System Administrator
to
> do ... :O(

Well now just a minute. If you did a standard install with the default
Gnome desktop, all you had to do was wait for a little orange asterik
to appear on the toolbar, click on it, and all of your security
updates would be automatically installed. No asterik means there are
no security updates. That IS dead simple.

I'm not blaming you, because it's easy to get stray advice here and
there and then end up using a program (Aptitude), even though you
don't know the options and implications. But Gnome and Synaptic are
dead simple.

You can use Ubuntu as someone suggested. That is easier, if it
installs. Though after five or six installations of each, I think
Debian installs more reliably. Ubuntu is really easy, but (again, just
my personal experience) is not as stable as Debian, assuming you
install all of the updates willy nilly on both distributions. Every so
often something breaks in a big way with an Ubuntu update. That should
not happen with Debian stable, unless you start installing your own
packages and modules.

No expert, but that's been my experience. As Groucho said, "Those are
my principles, and if you don't like them. Well, I have others."

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Re: sid: nVidia fails with x.org

[Wackojacko]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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Hash: SHA1

On 04/23/07 10:21, Paul Johnson wrote:

Since the latest sid upgrade, I haven't been able to make use of the nvidia
drivers.  Here's the x.org output:

xauth:  creating new authority file /home/baloo/.serverauth.30719

X Window System Version 1.3.0
Release Date: 19 April 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3
Build Operating System: Linux Debian
Current Operating System: Linux ursa-major 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26
17:57:1
5 UTC 2007 i686
Build Date: 21 April 2007
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Apr 23 08:20:53 2007
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

(II) Module already built-in
dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv40gl
(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (loader failed, 7)
(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) No drivers available.

Fatal server error:
no screens found
giving up.
xinit:  Connection reset by peer (errno 104):  unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console

Any ideas?


A 2.6.20.x kernel where PARAVIRT is *disabled* definitely works with
the nvidia.com 9755 driver.



I can also confirm that the debian packaged drivers also work with 
2.6.20 (self compiled) on AMD64.  No juggling required.


HTH

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Re: Default soundcard with alsa

[Mike]

Hi,

I have two soundcards, but after each reboot the built-in gets
default, so after every reboot i have to run alsaconf, and select
correct soundcard.

How i can have my second card to be primary after every reboot? I
suspect alsaconf doesn't write something correctly, but i don't get
any error messages.

Currently using Lenny, but had the same problem on Etch.

Regards,
Atis

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci | grep udio
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
01:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 
10)


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep snd
snd_cmipci 31456  5
gameport   14632  1 snd_cmipci
snd_pcm_oss38368  0
snd_mixer_oss  15200  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm68676  3 snd_cmipci,snd_pcm_oss
snd_page_alloc  9640  1 snd_pcm
snd_opl3_lib9920  1 snd_cmipci
snd_hwdep   8836  1 snd_opl3_lib
snd_mpu401_uart 8064  1 snd_cmipci
snd_seq_dummy   3844  0
snd_seq_oss28768  0
snd_seq_midi8192  0
snd_seq_midi_event  7008  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq45680  6
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer  20996  4 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq
snd_rawmidi22560  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_device  7820  6
snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
snd47012  18
snd_cmipci,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
soundcore   9248  2 snd



Have you disable your built-in sound card in your BIOS? 



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Etch / ThinkPad 600E / D-Link DFE-690TXD

[Michael Lueck]

Sarge worked beautifully with my "mobile server" ala ThinkPad 600E and a PCCard 
D-Link DFE-690TXD. Unfortunately Etch (clean install) fails to detect the card... it 
warns of no NIC being detected.

So is the trusty old TP 600E's card slots deemed too old to support, or is the 
D-Link card the problem...???

Thanks,

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Re: Default soundcard with alsa

[Michael Pobega]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 01:21:01PM +0300, Atis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have two soundcards, but after each reboot the built-in gets
> default, so after every reboot i have to run alsaconf, and select
> correct soundcard.
> 
> How i can have my second card to be primary after every reboot? I
> suspect alsaconf doesn't write something correctly, but i don't get
> any error messages.
> 
> Currently using Lenny, but had the same problem on Etch.
> 
> Regards,
> Atis
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci | grep udio
> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
> Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
> 01:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
> 

After setting up your sound card with alsaconf run alsactl to save the
settings for the next reboot. It worked perfectly fine for me, I was
having a similar time a while back, haven't had it since.

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Re: Help with NTFS & FAT32

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Please don't send confirmation requests to thousands of users of mailing
lists!

This will put you in suspicion of being a spammer fishing for valid
e-mail addresses.

Thanks,

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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Matthew K Poer]

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Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Apr 24 03:33 -0500]:
>> Am Dienstag, den 24.04.2007, 02:46 -0500 schrieb Gnu_Raiz:
>>
>> [Snipped Horrorstory]
>>
>>> Oh if 
>>> your curious about what University I attend it's the University of 
>>> Memphis, not that it makes any difference.
>> Is this typical for US-universities?
> 
> Pretty much.
> 
>> Looks like "old Europe" is leading here?
> 
> Well, if you consider that a decade or so ago that our universities
> implemented technology from a national vendor and what was most likely
> to be found in the workplace, it's not so unusual.  The huge installed
> base creates its own momentum.  The tide is (probably) slowly turning,
> but it will take a while.
> 
> - Nate >>
> 
Poor computer systems at school are just begging for Identify Theft.
Nearly every student at schools out here are required to give their
Social Security Number to the school. It is sort of common knowledge
that this is not necessary, common to everyone but the database software
that no one will rewrite, I am guessing.

At least at KSU they have recently changed school ID numbers from SSN to
a random 9-digit number.

System Horror Story: At my old high school, students all log in in the
same format: First three letters of last name + School ID, and
everyone's password was "shs" The only piece of security was in not
knowing your buddies' School ID... which was insecure if you browse the
network drive and click 'up directory' button. It would list every
user's folder, by username.

Computers were able to boot from CD or USB, so I was able to boot DSL if
I wanted to. At one point earlier in the year, network drives were
writable by students. So I put a copy of portable Firefox on the apps:
drive, then left a txt note for the admin telling them that I did it,
and that this did not violate the Acceptable Use Policy. I never heard
from him. The school either didn't notice, or didn't care, but I am
betting on the former, because it was still there the day I left.

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Re: [OT] Re: Debian User List

[Joe Hart]

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Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 06:26:46AM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
>> "Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
>>> But then again, each generation has it's faults. Just look at the 60s!
>> Hey, watch it, bub; the '60s were the ideal time what with all the
>> head-banging the police were doing.  No, really, at least back then we
>> were socially conscious.
>>
> 
> I was more of less referring to the heaps of drug addicted teenagers,
> actually. I'm not saying the generation is bad, but what the kids did is
> bad; Just as my generation is bad for doing ridiculous, immature things
> (MySpace anybody?).
> 

Every generation has it good points and bad points.  It is a phase of
growing up.  I know a lot of people who were burn-outs in the late 70's
early 80's that turned out to be respectable parents later.  I hope the
misfit youth of today's generation do the same.

What I find so appalling about society is that no matter how much we are
told to study history so we don't fall into the doing the same mistakes
again, we seem to be doing just that.

You would think that past lessons would have taught the leaders of the
world a thing or two, but looking at the problems in our world, things
for the most part have not improved.  If anything they've gotten worse
because now we have a lot of people like me who sit behind a computer
for several hours a day doing nothing but staring at a screen and
bashing at a keyboard.

At least I don't watch much television :)

Joe

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RE: Newbie Aptitude Question about Security Updates

[Jan Sneep]

Found it !!!

Desktop -> Administation -> Update Manager

and yes the check shows that all is good ... :O)

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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Newbie Aptitude Question about Security Updates


Now that's what I needed to hear. You are the first to mention an "orange
asterisk" !! ... I suppose Groucho could also have said "Well if you don't
like our first answer ... we have others" :O) So is there some place on the
Gnome desktop that I can click on to get positive feedback that all the
current security updates are in place? As I have never seen an asterisk in
three months, of any color on the tool bar, I'm assuming that something
hasn't been working properly?

I have ALWAYS done the standard stable install, NEVER complied or added even
so much as one simple package and that's my frustration. I had hoped that
the OS would have been more user friendly than Windows. Just as an example,
yesterday I wasted the entire day trying to re-install the OS. Must have
wiped the hard drive, formatted it and tried the Net Install at least 5
times and couldn't figure out what prompt I had answered differently in
prior installs that worked. Finally I decided to try and make a new install
image CD. At that point I realized that a new kernel had been released this
month and my old CD wouldn't work. So now I have a new desktop to figure
out, well at least new to me. Have to figure out how to get Samba and Cups
working all over again. So in effect I'm almost back to where I was in
January. Very frustrating.

I suspect it was the new release that messed things up with Apitude in the
first place. It would have been nice if the program was smart enough to
recognise that there had been a new release and ask me if I wanted to
upgrade the kernel. But then again the Aptitude documentation makes it sound
very simple and SAFE. The program will automatically manage all the
dependencies and even remove packages that are no longer required. I had
never done an update and since I've been given the impression that program
updates are being done all the time it made sense that some dead wood would
need to be removed.

By the way, is there some way / place to identify documentation errors? Did
a search on "workgroup" to try and find out where I can specify the Windows
Workgroup in the Gnome Help documentation. Under "Network Administration
Tool Manual" , section 3.6 "To change the way your system identifies itself
in Windows networks" the documentation says that you can change the
workgroup setting. But in fact not under the General Tab nor under any of
the Tabs can you see what Workgroup is being presented never mind change it.
Documentation also mentions being able to put in WINS addresses, but none of
the tabs show that either. :O(

Jan

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On Apr 23, 5:00 pm, "Jan Sneep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Doug,
>
> But with all due respect ... it should be easier ... a lot easier! ...
> simple basic stuff, like getting the latest Security Updates, IMHO should
be
> a no-brainer for the average user and not require a System Administrator
to
> do ... :O(

Well now just a minute. If you did a standard install with the default
Gnome desktop, all you had to do was wait for a little orange asterik
to appear on the toolbar, click on it, and all of your security
updates would be automatically installed. No asterik means there are
no security updates. That IS dead simple.

I'm not blaming you, because it's easy to get stray advice here and
there and then end up using a program (Aptitude), even though you
don't know the options and implications. But Gnome and Synaptic are
dead simple.

You can use Ubuntu as someone suggested. That is easier, if it
installs. Though after five or six installations of each, I think
Debian installs more reliably. Ubuntu is really easy, but (again, just
my personal experience) is not as stable as Debian, assuming you
install all of the updates willy nilly on both distributions. Every so
often something breaks in a big way with an Ubuntu update. That should
not happen with Debian stable, unless you start installing your own
packages and modules.

No expert, but that's been my experience. As Groucho said, "Those are
my principles, and if you don't like them. Well, I have others."

bs


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Re: Etch / ThinkPad 600E / D-Link DFE-690TXD

[Matthew K Poer]

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Michael Lueck wrote:
> Sarge worked beautifully with my "mobile server" ala ThinkPad 600E and a
> PCCard D-Link DFE-690TXD. Unfortunately Etch (clean install) fails to
> detect the card... it warns of no NIC being detected.
> 
> So is the trusty old TP 600E's card slots deemed too old to support, or
> is the D-Link card the problem...???
> 
> Thanks,
> 
I was having this problem on my 600. Try booting with acpi=off kernel
flag. ACPI for some reason conflicts with the pcmcia/cardbus module/s,
at least in the 2.6.x kernel on etch.

And, of course, with acpi off you will not have any battery monitoring.

Consider trying the 2.4 kernel with acpi on to see if it will have this
issue (I was about to attempt this when the HDD to the laptop started
clicking and spitting errors. blah.)

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Re: iceweasel and javascripts

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Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hi Bartleby.
> 
> BartlebyScrivener, 24.04.2007 03:34:
>> Using Debian Etch and iceweasel, I have a problem with my banking
>> site. Some of the search options do not appear. When I hover over
>> buttons, the status line says: javascript:void(0)
> 
> Then contact the people responsible for such an awful site.
> 
>> I have tried installing several java packages from synaptic, e.g.,
>> java-common, but these don't seem to work. I have the enable
>> javascript boxes checked on Iceweasel, but can't get it to work.
>>
>> Is there a special java download I need to add?
> 
> Nothing, since JAVA has nothing to do with JavaScript. The latter is directly
> embedded into the rendering engine of your browser so if something does not 
> work
> you either misconfigured your browser or the specific site just sucks.
> 
> 
> Regards, Mathias
> 
Agreed. Java and Javascript are completely and entirely different
things, so no package will help you.

It is likely that the web site designers are of poor quality and created
the site for IE.

We can know for sure if you can post a link to the web site you are
having problems with.

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Re: reiserfs to ext3

[Paul Johnson]

Kushal Kumaran wrote in Article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to
gmane.linux.debian.user:

> On 4/5/07, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 4/4/07, Johannes Wiedersich
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > If you have enough disk space to accomodate your data *without*
>> > compression you could do the following:
>> >
>> > - boot a 'rescue system' (I recommend knoppix) from CD or usb
>> > - mount both your partition and the one with the free space
>> > - rsync -avx your data to the free space
>> > - reformat your partition to ext3 (all data will be lost, so make sure
>> >   you have good backups!)
>> > - rsync all your data back to the new ext3-partition
>> > - adjust your /etc/fstab (replace reiserfs by ext3)
>> > - cross your fingers and reboot
>>
>> OK, but  if copy the file to  fat32 partion,  any problem ?
>>
> 
> You'll lose the permission bits and owner/group, etc.  (Maybe even
> filename case, but I'm not sure).  Use tar if all you have is fat32.

If it's VFAT, it'll retain case, though you can't have two files with the
same name seperated only by different cases in VFAT.

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Re: reiserfs to ext3

[Paul Johnson]

S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) wrote in Article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to
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> My system now runing on reiserfs partation, i want to make it ext3 without
> reinstalling debian. any idea ?

The Hard Disk Upgrade HOWTO probably provides the best method.  You will
need someplace to put your data while you make the conversion.

http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html

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Re: GPL v3?

[Paul Johnson]

Curt Howland wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
to gmane.linux.debian.user:

> On Thursday 05 April 2007 12:24, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
> heard to say:
>> Joe writes:
>> > Agreed, but how else can one do it if congress is unwilling to
>> > make a new law or repeal an existing one?
>>
>> "Something must be done.  This is something.  Therefor it must be
>> done."
>>
>> Would you fix a flat tire by putting water in the gas tank because
>> you lack an air pump?
> 
> That's what Governments do every day.

Sounds more consistent with the behavior of people who start new threads
when replying instead of sticking with the thread they're replying to...

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Re: security for a home system

[Paul Johnson]

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to
gmane.linux.debian.user:

> On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 01:23:00AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote in Article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> posted to gmane.linux.debian.user:
>> 
>> > If I have two boxes, with two users, linked by ethernet and one box is
>> > on dial-up to the ISP, with nothing listening on external ports except
>> > the ntp daemon, what is a reasonable stance on security?
>> 
>> Probably, yes.
> ??

It never hurts to have a border router between your network and the
Internet, with only the ports you intend to use forwarded to the
appropriate server.

>> > Given that anyone who breaks into the house will have physical access
>> > to the consoles anyway, do I need a whiz-bang long root password,
>> > strong passwords on the regular uses, and all the other hypervigalance?
>> 
>> Yes.  It's not necessarily what's on the machine, but how it's resources
>> can
>> be abused.  Most spam is sent from compromised systems of various types.
>> 
> 
> But how does a strong password protect against a physical attack on the
> computer?  If I find there's been a break into my home, I'll assume that
> they got into the computer.

It doesn't.  Still, if someone manages to find a way into your system, you
should make it hard for them to escalate privileges.

>> > If ssh isn't even listening on external interfaces, does it matter if I
>> > allow root to ssh (useful for rsyncing backups between the boxes)?
>> 
>> I would recommend against allowing root ssh just in case.  It's not that
>> hard to sudo anyway.
> 
> But then how do I rsync the backups?  For example, if I make it so that
> group adm can read everything, and I'm in group adm, should I just rsync
> it with my user name?  OTOH, doesn't having group adm able to read the
> backups cause a decrease in security?  If someone then gets adm access,
> they can read everything in the backups.

rsync and ssh aren't the same, so I'm a little confused where you're coming
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Re: reiserfs to ext3

[Paul Johnson]

S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) wrote in Article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to
gmane.linux.debian.user:

> On 4/4/07, Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> If you have enough disk space to accomodate your data *without*
>> compression you could do the following:
>>
>> - boot a 'rescue system' (I recommend knoppix) from CD or usb
>> - mount both your partition and the one with the free space
>> - rsync -avx your data to the free space
>> - reformat your partition to ext3 (all data will be lost, so make sure
>>   you have good backups!)
>> - rsync all your data back to the new ext3-partition
>> - adjust your /etc/fstab (replace reiserfs by ext3)
>> - cross your fingers and reboot
> 
> 
> OK, but  if copy the file to  fat32 partion,  any problem ?

Yes.  Fat32 lacks filesystem permissions.  You will lose metadata.

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Re: xkb options

[Celejar]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:44:26 -0400
cga2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> Say, you are like myself fluent in English, Spanish, and French.  
> 
> Occasionally, you will need to enter text in any one of these three
> languages.
> 
> You have a US keyboard that doesn't have the relevant mappings either
> for French or Spanish.
> 
> With a US keyboard, my understanding is that you have two options:
> 
> 1. Switch keyboard mappings whenever you need to switch languages.
> 
> 2. Use "extensions" to the US keyboard to enter those characters that
>do no have their dedicated key on my laptop.
> 
> Option 1. is equivalent to unplugging your US keyboard and plugging in a
> French or Spanish keyboard on the fly.. The important thing here is why
> would you want to do that .. ?  _As I understand it_ .. it means that
> you are fluent, I should say "literate" not with just the languages
> themselves .. but also .. and more importantly.. with the layout of
> these keyboards .. What this means is that for it to be in any way an
> effective data entry interface you need to have mastered _two_
> additional keyboard layouts so you can use them with as little overhead
> and inconvenience as you would your native keyboard layout.
> 
> Option 2. is just a matter of finding some means of entering those
> characters that are not native to the US keyboard - there is no
> dedicated key that lets you enter and "o" with an acute accent on top ..
> or an "n" with a tilde on top on my keyboard .. etc. so I have to enter
> them via other means ..  using a "compose" key ..  using a timeout
> feature and a keymap (as in vim) .. using "dead keys" ..  none are
> perfect but they all let you do the job effectively.
> 
> My day-to-day experience is with option 2. 
> 
> For my own particular needs, I believe it is more effective than option
> 1.. because most of my interaction is in the "dominant" idiom.  
> 
> But if I spent half of my time typing in Spanish and half of my time
> typing in cyrillic, for instance .. it might be worth the effort of
> learning to type fluently on a Spanish keyboard and a Russian keyboard ..
> that's a lot of work, mind you .. but if you plan to do this for a
> number of years .. a lifetime, possibly ..  then it could mean that
> switching keyboard layouts is the sensible choice.

I'm going for what you call option one; my alternate language doesn't
use the Latin alphabet, so it's an entirely different keymapping,
rather than just a few extra symbols to compose. I'm not yet fluent /
literate in the other keymapping, but I intend to become so, since I do
anticipate a lifetime of its use.

> When reading the above, please do keep in mind that the symbols that
> appear on your keyboard are immaterial.  You cannot see them anyway when
> your fingers are on top of the keys, anyway, right?

I understand that. I'm actually currently using dvorak7m to teach
myself touch typing using the dvorak keymapping, and I'm using an
ordinary qwerty keyboard. I switch back and forth with 'setxkbmap
dvorak' / 'setxkbmap us. 

> As a multilingual person, I often think that in the long run, a third
> option might prove less of a headache .. you set up a collection of
> "thin clients" with different keyboards based on the languages that you
> are familiar with and just use them to connect to a server that handles
> them all transparently ..  so with nimble footwork you would just need
> to propel yourself from one workstation to the other whenever you need
> to switch .. 
> 
> :-)

I really need to learn to touch type properly, and then there will
really be no reason not to use the same keyboard for everything,
switching on the fly with 'setkkbmap' or something like I mentioned
above (e.g. 'grp:ctrl_rwin_toggle'). Why wouldn't that be the optimal
solution?

> 
> > > I do understand the above may not be your primary concern .. as well as
> > > your frustration and the desire to figure out why it's not working the
> > > way it's advertised, though.  I'm curious as well.
> > > 
> > > I have only one Windows key on this laptop and I have remapped to CTRL
> > > so I can reach it comfortably with my left thumb. 
> > > 
> > > Please let us know when you find something.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > cga
> > 
> > A bit more information (and a correction) about my issues:
> > Here's what various option settings do on my system:
> > 
> > win_switch - either win key temporarily switches keyboard layout
> > win_toggle - no effect (either win key)
> > rwin_switch - right win key temporarily switches keyboard layout
> > rwin_toggle - right win key permanently switches keyboard layout
> > shift_win_switch - no effect
> > shift_rwin_switch - no effect
> > ctrl_shift_switch - no effect (keys seem to behave just as they do when
> > pressed together with ctrl_shift without the option being set)
> > ctrl_shift_toggle - permanently switch keyboard layout
> > 
> > Can someone point me to an explanation of how to interpret these
> > combinations?
> > 

Re: dpkg-buildpackage; building from subversion

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 03:59:56AM -0700, John Pye wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> So: assuming I have complete control over what is in my tarball, what
> is the neatest, tidiest and safest way to set up and run an
> actual .deb build?
> 
Since you mention subversion in the subject line, you want
svn-buildpackage.

Regards,

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Re: Etch / ThinkPad 600E / D-Link DFE-690TXD

[Michael Lueck]

Matthew K Poer wrote:

I was having this problem on my 600. Try booting with acpi=off kernel
flag. ACPI for some reason conflicts with the pcmcia/cardbus module/s,
at least in the 2.6.x kernel on etch.


Where should I set that kernel flag? I maintained Lilo as the loader as that is what my production servers / firewalls all use. I use XFS on root, and did not know to make a separate /boot as ext3 to 
get Grub to work.



Consider trying the 2.4 kernel with acpi on to see if it will have this
issue 


I successfully used a kernel package from Debian testing for Sarge. 
Specifically the kernel level was/is: 2.6.12-10.

The battery is dead on the ThinkPad, so it will be of little issue to me! ;-)

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More Nvidia Problems

[David Baron]

After accidently losing the (proprietory) kernel module, I rebuild it with 
their .run program (after having downgraded a lot of stuff to the lib6c from 
stable/testing since the Sid one produced unrunnable results).

1. Kicks about its own libnvidiatls files. It puts them there.

2. I can no longer set the screen resolution. No vaid resolutions found!

Any ideas or must we wait until Sid finally gets straightened out?

I also downgraded X but that did not change anything at all.


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UUID vs /dev

[Andrea S. Gozzi]

I noticed that ubuntu 7.04 switched to the UUID method for
drives/partitions identification in fstab.
I heard rumors that debian will soon do the same (or already does).

Even with google I couldn't find any *impartial* comparison of the two
methods for identifying hardware.
Since it seems to be what most distributions will do from now on, I
wanted to discuss its benefits and/or flaws.

Personally I don't see any point in using UUID=xxx instead
of /dev/xxx (also beacuse to get the ID you need 'vol_id -u /dev/xxx'),
but there are surely pros I'm not aware of...


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Re: Debian User List

[Celejar]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:37:41 -0400
"Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> I completely agree with this; If I wasn't bound to always have to
> monitor my battery life and wireless signal graphically (Because I'm on
> a laptop) I'd probably be using Ion3 or wmii instead of Window Maker. 

How about gkrellm?

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laptop harddrive noise

[Adam Hardy]

I installed etch onto a new pc which is made up of a low energy consumption mobo 
and two 2.5 inch laptop 120 gig harddrives.


The low energy consumption was my priority because I want to leave the machine 
on 24x7. However these are the first 2.5 inch harddrives I've ever had and they 
(or at least one of them) are making a disconcerting clicking noise every 5 to 
25 seconds at random - it sounds a bit like a metronome, if it wasn't so irregular.


What I'm wondering, is whether it's etch reading or writing and the noise is the 
 disc spinning up or the heads engaging.


I've configured the machine to run as a proxy gateway for my network with a 
firewall, but also with KDE, although that's not running as I sit here now 
listening to it. I shut down a few of the daemons that I thought might be 
causing it, but it carries on regardless.


As well as being disconcerting, it's also an issue because I want to use this as 
a media center as well, and the last thing I want is some constant clicking noise.




Thanks,

Adam


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Newbie help how to enlarge root partition

[John Fleming]

I'm the guy that recently dd'd hda (40GB) to hdb (160GB) and then put the 
larger drive in the first position, making it now the new hda.  I knew I 
would then be using only 40GB of the 160GB HDD.  I thought it would be easy 
to enlarge the 40GB root partition, but this newbie is having trouble with 
that.


I tried using a Knoppix live CD and QtParted, but I still couldn't figure 
out to do it - When the root partition was selected, "resize" was not even 
an option (dimmed out).


I've looked at fdisk and parted, but I need help.  Do I need to start over 
copying my 40GB HDD to a properly-partitioned 160GB HDD, or can someone give 
me detailed instructions to expand my 40GB root partition to use the 
available free space on the new drive?


Thanks - My current partitions are shown below.  - John
Debian Sarge


# fdisk /dev/hda

The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 19457.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
  (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/hda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1480138564001   83  Linux
/dev/hda248024863  498015f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda548024863  497983+  82  Linux swap / Solaris

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Re: Debian User List

[Michael Pobega]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 10:11:41AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:37:41 -0400
> "Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I completely agree with this; If I wasn't bound to always have to
> > monitor my battery life and wireless signal graphically (Because I'm on
> > a laptop) I'd probably be using Ion3 or wmii instead of Window Maker. 
> 
> How about gkrellm?
> 
> Celejar
> 

I just tried it out and I'm not really a fan; It's too "in the way" for
me, and it doesn't recognize my battery correctly (Whereas wmacpi does).

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Re: UUID vs /dev

[Michael Pobega]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:03:13PM +0200, Andrea S. Gozzi wrote:
> I noticed that ubuntu 7.04 switched to the UUID method for
> drives/partitions identification in fstab.
> I heard rumors that debian will soon do the same (or already does).
> 
> Even with google I couldn't find any *impartial* comparison of the two
> methods for identifying hardware.
> Since it seems to be what most distributions will do from now on, I
> wanted to discuss its benefits and/or flaws.
> 
> Personally I don't see any point in using UUID=xxx instead
> of /dev/xxx (also beacuse to get the ID you need 'vol_id -u /dev/xxx'),
> but there are surely pros I'm not aware of...
> 
> 
> Andrea
> 
> 

I think UUID is used because it is better to use UUID to recognize the
drives than /dev. For example, if you're trying to have your USB drive
automount to /mnt/usb, you'd use something like "/dev/sdb1" in fstab,
correct? What if you plug in an external drive? That will be picked up
at /dev/sdb, and following that the USB thumbdrive will be picked up as
/dev/sdc. The reason for UUIDs is to make it so that the computer can
recognize the drives by their device ID rather than the order they were
plugged in.

I may be wrong though. This is what I've been told.

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Re: iceweasel and javascripts

[Celejar]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:05:15 -0400
Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Mathias Brodala wrote:
> > Hi Bartleby.
> > 
> > BartlebyScrivener, 24.04.2007 03:34:
> >> Using Debian Etch and iceweasel, I have a problem with my banking
> >> site. Some of the search options do not appear. When I hover over
> >> buttons, the status line says: javascript:void(0)
> > 
> > Then contact the people responsible for such an awful site.
> > 
> >> I have tried installing several java packages from synaptic, e.g.,
> >> java-common, but these don't seem to work. I have the enable
> >> javascript boxes checked on Iceweasel, but can't get it to work.
> >>
> >> Is there a special java download I need to add?
> > 
> > Nothing, since JAVA has nothing to do with JavaScript. The latter is 
> > directly
> > embedded into the rendering engine of your browser so if something does not 
> > work
> > you either misconfigured your browser or the specific site just sucks.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, Mathias
> > 
> Agreed. Java and Javascript are completely and entirely different
> things, so no package will help you.
> 
> It is likely that the web site designers are of poor quality and created
> the site for IE.
> 
> We can know for sure if you can post a link to the web site you are
> having problems with.

Just to make sure, is javacript enabled in your browser
(Edit->Prefs->Content->Enable Javascript)? Is a plugin (e.g. Noscript)
blocking it?

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Re: Linux/Debian documentation suggestion

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-04-17 20:25:34, schrieb Glenn Moeller-Holst:
> Hi NG

Mailinglist!

> Purposes:
> *When "I" is in the catalog "/var/log" - what commands can I use here?

1) What is "I"?
2) /vat/log is what it is. A log directory.

> *Which commands is occluded by others at "/var/log"?

???

> *If I deinstall "this" package - which commands are then lost?

dpkg -L  |grep bin/

> *A command "xxy" at "/var/log" - which package is responsible? (Am I 
> using the right package command?)

???

> *If I want or need command xxzz, which packages can give me that?

apt-file search 

> *If a given command is in some sense considered obsolete, which 
> commands is then endorced?

???

> The "man" and "info" documentation should (with time) be included in 
> the package. Why should I search the net for command documentations? 
> The system should supply the right documentation.

The Documentation IS already there!

> Have this feature-idea not occured to others?

What are you talking about?

> Optional more suggestion:
> 
> A script file should document which "commands-pools" is required. 
> Before execution of a script, the system should check these 
> requirement.

???

If you install a debian package, all nessesary
IS already there, including the depends...

Are you working with LFS (Linux-From-Scratch) and never tried Debian?

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Re: Debian User List

[Celejar]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:27:07 -0400
"Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 10:11:41AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:37:41 -0400
> > "Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > I completely agree with this; If I wasn't bound to always have to
> > > monitor my battery life and wireless signal graphically (Because I'm on
> > > a laptop) I'd probably be using Ion3 or wmii instead of Window Maker. 
> > 
> > How about gkrellm?
> > 
> > Celejar
> > 
> 
> I just tried it out and I'm not really a fan; It's too "in the way" for
> me, and it doesn't recognize my battery correctly (Whereas wmacpi does).

I'm also still using the Xfce panel plugins even after playing with
gkrellm, partly because as you say they're smaller and simpler (the
gkrellm ibam battery monitor seems to work fine for me, though). I
imagine that it might be possible to customize gkrellm to have a lower
profile, but I haven't played hat much with it yet.

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Re: More Nvidia Problems

[Liam O'Toole]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:14:26 +0300
David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Any ideas or must we wait until Sid finally gets straightened out?

We'll be waiting a long time ;-)

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Re: Irresponsible user stories!

[Celejar]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:39:40 -0400
"Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 04:26:02PM -0600, Nate Duehr wrote:
> > On 4/23/07, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 03:25:20PM -0500, Gnu_Raiz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> [ Snip Story ]
> > >>
> > >
> > >That's pretty awesome, one of the best stories I've heard in a long
> > >while. Did you end up figuring out who this person is, or not? I would
> > >have had a look through his browser history and cookies to check out
> > >where he visits, and gotten him in trouble; Honestly, I don't mind if
> > >people look at porn and stuff, but doing it on a public computer and
> > >denying other people access is definitely out of the question.
> > 
> > Bah.  The people who should be in trouble here are the folks who don't
> > know how to set up a lab properly in a college (read: hostile)
> > computing environment.
> > 
> > Those machines shouldn't be capable of booting from outside media,
> > should re-image themselves regularly (possibly at each boot) and
> > should be severely locked-down to only do the things approved in that
> > lab.
> > 
> > I wouldn't even call it an "interesting" story.  Crud like that has
> > been happening in college computer labs for decades.
> > 
> > With appropriate changes, the lab admins would have known the second
> > someone took a machine offline, and should have immediately approached
> > and stopped the student from loading Linux on the box, if that wasn't
> > the box's intended purpose.
> > 
> > It's just another bad college lab admin story, is all it is.
> > 
> > Welcome to college... if they don't respect their own network enough
> > to protect it from people reloading machines, it probably shows what
> > kind of engineering and work they do protecting both your
> > network-saved data and your personal information in the main systems
> > in the University too -- if it's the same admins.  In many schools it
> > is not.
> > 
> > Buy your own machine, and keep it heavily firewalled with all outside
> > services shut off, if you ever even THINK about plugging it into that
> > network.
> > 
> > Nate
> > 
> > 
> 
> Are you even able to do that with Windows? I believe the original story
> said all of the computers were powered by Windows, so I wouldn't doubt
> if the college didn't have any "big" tech guys. But you're right, it was
> very much related to the laziness of the sysadmins, but you have to
> admit it's still a humorous story.

I don't think that protecting Windows machines with firewalls and
shutting down services is particularly difficult.

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Re: oddity in apt-cache

[Celejar]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:45:12 -0400
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > I think many people would not like it if apt-cache no longer found the
> > local packages, custom kernels, etc. If a package is still installed
> > then its information is included in apt's package cache, and "apt-cache"
> > bases all its results on this cache. It does not query the repositories
> > at all but it gets this information indirectly whenever you run "apt-get
> > update" (or aptitude, etc.).
> > 
> > If you want to run queries on what is available in the repositories you
> > will probably have to use "apt-file" or "rmadison" (from package
> > "devscripts").
> 
> You can use apt-cache policy to see what suites if any a package is
> available in.
> 
> -- 
> see shy jo

Maybe I missed something, but I thought the issue here was getting info
on repos that aren't in your sources.list, which I believe 'apt-cache
policy ' doesn't do.

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Re: files in /var/tmp

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2007-04-16 10:45:24, schrieb Daniel B.:
> Why would you need to erase the disk like that?

Because the D-I create only new blocks and some special
designed viruses may find there Data via a block count?

And yes, we have tried soch things and it works!
Under Linux as under Windows

So you need a real format of the partition.

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Re: AVM B1 not recognized with 2.6.18-4-k7 (etch)

[Michelle Konzack]

Hallo Klaus,

weil keiner antwortete:  

Vieleicht hilfts.

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Re: iceweasel and javascripts

[BartlebyScrivener]

On Apr 24, 12:00 am, Mathias Brodala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  so if something does not work
> you either misconfigured your browser or the specific site just sucks.
>

Well, so I would have thought. But then why does Firefox 2.0.0.3 on
Windows XP have no problems rendering the site, but iceweasel 2.0.0.3
on Etch cannot seem to render it? Same settings as near as I can tell.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: laptop harddrive noise

[Joe Hart]

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Adam Hardy wrote:
> I installed etch onto a new pc which is made up of a low energy
> consumption mobo and two 2.5 inch laptop 120 gig harddrives.
> 
> The low energy consumption was my priority because I want to leave the
> machine on 24x7. However these are the first 2.5 inch harddrives I've
> ever had and they (or at least one of them) are making a disconcerting
> clicking noise every 5 to 25 seconds at random - it sounds a bit like a
> metronome, if it wasn't so irregular.
> 
> What I'm wondering, is whether it's etch reading or writing and the
> noise is the  disc spinning up or the heads engaging.
> 
> I've configured the machine to run as a proxy gateway for my network
> with a firewall, but also with KDE, although that's not running as I sit
> here now listening to it. I shut down a few of the daemons that I
> thought might be causing it, but it carries on regardless.
> 
> As well as being disconcerting, it's also an issue because I want to use
> this as a media center as well, and the last thing I want is some
> constant clicking noise.
> 
> 
How much memory does this laptop have, and what services are you
actually running?  I would turn off everything and then enable things
one by one.  AFAIK, there should be no disk access if there are no
services running and there is enough ram (which is most likely the case)
to run the system without having to use swap.

Do you really think it is wise to use the laptop as a do-it-all machine
like you're planning?

Joe

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Re: Unable to make a bootable CD from the image files.

[Celejar]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:50:05 -0400
"Andrew J. Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> > I am having a big problem. I am trying to start with Linux for the first
> > time. I know nothing about the system, but this is not yet the problem
> > because I am still trying to start.
> >  
> > I have made a couple of disc images before, but now I cannot make a
> > working one. I downloaded a lot of the image files, I extracted them
> > with Isobuster to a directory in the hard disk, and than copied the full
> > (folders and files) ISO section to a CD and added the files
> > BootImage.img and BootCatalog.cat, which were outside of the ISO that
> > ISO section to the CD root. I rebooted and tried to boot from the CD,
> > but after two or three of seconds of trying, the computer resumes to
> > another option.
> >  
> > I have tried with the first downloaded full image disk and also with the
> > NetInst version. Both with the sane result.
> >  
> > Will anyone kindly tell me if I am making any mistake, maybe on building
> > the CD, please? If I am, what exactly should I do in order to get a
> > workable booting CD.
> >  
> > Thank you very much for any help.
> 
> If you are trying to install Debian from Windows and you have a
> reasonably fast Internet connection, I'd suggest visiting the site
> http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/ or http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ and
> installing Debian using the program available for download there.
> Despite the name, it will *not* delete your Windows installation, it
> simply launches the debian-installer from your hard disk instead of a
> bootable CD-ROM. You have the option to resize your Windows partition or
>  use unpartitioned space on your disk drive.
> 
> As for booting the CD, don't do anything to the ISOs you download. Just
> burn them directly to CD-R(W). Don't "extract" them, that will probably
> strip out the boot information. I know there's a free Windows program
> that records ISO images to disk, but I cannot remember the name of it.
> Does someone on this list know of it?

Here are a bunch:
http://www.snapfiles.com/Freeware/gmm/fwcdburn.html
I haven't tried them.

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Re: [OT] Re: Debian User List

[Celejar]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:34:17 +0200
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Andrew J. Barr wrote:
> > Michael Pobega wrote:
> >> Oh, and the point of this mail is that I too fall into the "Young"
> >> group, seeing as I'm seventeen. While most of my friends have spent half
> >> the day boasting about how AOL has a new layout, I've been trying to get
> >> a LUG set up in my local area.
> > 
> > I'm 22, FWIW. I can't help but think whenever I happen upon sites like
> > this[0], things designed for people my age, "what an amazingly useless
> > waste of resources!"
> > 
> > [0] http://avatars.yahoo.com/ -- I was told this was the reason people
> > on my Jabber account's Yahoo transport roster had these strange
> > bobble-head buddy icons. Oh yeah, the "site requires Windows or OS X and
> > Flash for no good reason."
> > 
> Complete uselessness.  Talk about people without a life!  Maybe that's
> why they need things like Second Life in the first place.
> 
> Kudos to you for not falling into the gutter with so many of your
> generation.  These things might be fun the first time, but they get old
> very fast.
> 
> BTW, I don't have Windows or OSX and I can view that site just fine.
> Not that I will be using any of the services.  I've opted out of IM.
> It's bad enough that I have a phone.

I can't access the site, since I don't have a flash extension
installed. See what not enabling flash can gain!

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Re: More Nvidia Problems

[Joe Hart]

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Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:14:26 +0300
> David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Any ideas or must we wait until Sid finally gets straightened out?
> 
> We'll be waiting a long time ;-)
> 

Just because you gave me this opportunity. ;-)

This is one of the reasons I run Sidux.  I can sail the stormy waters of
Sid in a boat that floats nicely on the waves, although I admit some of
the waves are high enough to lap over the deck, none as of yet have
caused the ship to capsize.

Seriously, read Ron Johnson's posts on this subject.  The answer is
quite clear.

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Re: iceweasel and javascripts

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

BartlebyScrivener wrote:

On Apr 24, 12:00 am, Mathias Brodala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 so if something does not work
you either misconfigured your browser or the specific site just sucks.



Well, so I would have thought. But then why does Firefox 2.0.0.3 on
Windows XP have no problems rendering the site, but iceweasel 2.0.0.3
on Etch cannot seem to render it? Same settings as near as I can tell.

Thanks for any help.

bs




User Agent switcher?

Hugo


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Re: iceweasel and javascripts

[Graham Seaman]

I've had similar problems with the gentoo version ('bon echo') on dumb 
sites which  recognise browsers by  name,  instead of testing for 
javascript capabilities. The fix was to install the User Agent Switcher 
plugin and tell the site you're anything but what you really are (IE7 
seems to be a reasonably successful choice). Of course this messes up 
usage stats and possibly negates the reason for becoming 'ice weasel' in 
the first place...


Graham

BartlebyScrivener wrote:

On Apr 24, 12:00 am, Mathias Brodala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

 so if something does not work
you either misconfigured your browser or the specific site just sucks.




Well, so I would have thought. But then why does Firefox 2.0.0.3 on
Windows XP have no problems rendering the site, but iceweasel 2.0.0.3
on Etch cannot seem to render it? Same settings as near as I can tell.

Thanks for any help.

bs


  



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Re: [OT] Re: Debian User List

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Celejar wrote:
> I can't access the site, since I don't have a flash extension
> installed. See what not enabling flash can gain!

I'm on a PowerPC laptop. Flash isn't an option for me. :P

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Re: iceweasel and javascripts

[charlie derr]

BartlebyScrivener wrote:

On Apr 24, 12:00 am, Mathias Brodala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 so if something does not work
you either misconfigured your browser or the specific site just sucks.



Well, so I would have thought. But then why does Firefox 2.0.0.3 on
Windows XP have no problems rendering the site, but iceweasel 2.0.0.3
on Etch cannot seem to render it? Same settings as near as I can tell.

Thanks for any help.

bs




If you really care, I suppose you could install the firebug plugin in both XP/firefox and etch/iceweasel and compare the results 
of visiting your bank's page.  The webdeveloper plugin might also prove useful.  No guarantees that you'll definitively find the 
answer this way, but what's the harm in trying?


good luck,
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Re: no USB mouse in Etch

[Tim Frink]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:20:12 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:

>> 
>> Any ideas what might be wrong?
> 
> What is the output of
> 
> ls -l /dev/input/by-id/

There is no such a device.

> 
> Do you see output (codes) scrolling by if you run (as root)
> 
> cat /dev/input/mice | hd
> 
> and you move the mouse? (CTRL+C to exit)

No, when I move my USB mouse, there is no output. Moving my touchpad,
I see some code.

Regards,
Chris


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Re: AVM B1 not recognized with 2.6.18-4-k7 (etch)

[Klaus Troeger]

Michelle Konzack wrote:

Hallo Klaus,

weil keiner antwortete:  

Vieleicht hilfts.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant


  

Hallo Michelle,

vielen Dank, aber die "Basic" URL kenne ich schon ;-)

Ist inzwischen gelöst, anderer PCI-Steckplatz, andere IRQ und
schon war alles o.k.

Danke trotzdem

Klaus

Re: dpkg-buildpackage; building from subversion

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

John Pye wrote:


> So: assuming I have complete control over what is in my tarball, what
> is the neatest, tidiest and safest way to set up and run an
> actual .deb build?
> 

First you need to debianize the tar ball using dh_make. If it is already
debianized, you can build the packages using

dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot

I am not sure where subversion comes into picture in your problem. May be I
am not understanding the question properly.

Roberto has written a very good document on customizing debian packages with
detailed instructions. But unfortunately I could not locate it in google.

You can take a look at my own crude version of building customized gnuplot
packages.
http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/2007/04/build-gnuplot-with-gnu-readline-and.html

hth
raju

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Re: dpkg-buildpackage; building from subversion

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 03:59:56AM -0700, John Pye wrote:
> I'm trying to get my head around package building with Debian, coming
> from my earlier experiences with RPMs.

Welcome to Debian!

> One technique which I found quite good with RPMs was the ability to
> create a tarball that *included* the necessary .spec file, and then
> just typing "rpmbuild -ta mytarball.tar.bz2". This would extract the
> spec file from the tarball and then proceed with the build in my
> special build directory (/usr/src/rpm or wherever).
> 
> Is there any comparable way of building a .deb package from a single
> tarball like this?

Not that I know of. But you can do it from an expanded source directory
in several ways:

$ cd $sourcedir ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
or if you just want the .deb and don't need build-dependencies checked:
$ cd $sourcedir ; fakeroot debian/rules binary
 
> The reason I ask is because I am packaging *my own* software. Being
> required to apply a diff against my own tarball in this case doesn't
> seem to make sense. Most of the tutorials seem to assume that you are
> packaging someone else's code, so the focus is a bit different.

You don't *have* to have a .diff - this is the case for "native"
packages. It's worth noting that native packages will not have a
debian-specific version number (e.g. "1.3" instead of the non-native
"1.3-1").  

If you start of with your "raw" (non-debianized) source directory and run
$ cd $sourcedir; dh_make --native
you should start off in the right direction (read up on dh_make first -
it's in the dh-make package) [1]

If you're doing you own software, then you probably want the debian/
directory in subversion too - and svn-buildpackage is your friend.

> So: assuming I have complete control over what is in my tarball, what
> is the neatest, tidiest and safest way to set up and run an
> actual .deb build?

Neat, tidy and safe? I'm sure that these goals must be conflicting in
some respects :-)

There are several build tools available in debian, some of which are:
- pbuilder - handy for building in a controlled environment (=chroot)
- pbuilder-uml - build in an virtual machine
- pentium-builder/athlon-builder - architecture-optimized packages

and lots more - mostly geared towards automated builds, usually starting
with the .dsc and tarball source...

Hope this helps

[1] dh-make is the traditional debian package build system - there are
others (newer ones) around too (which I never experimented with).
Anything that ends up with a valid .deb file will do.
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Re: xkb options

[Russell L. Harris]

* Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070424 08:42]:
> I understand that. I'm actually currently using dvorak7m to teach
> myself touch typing using the dvorak keymapping, and I'm using an
> ordinary qwerty keyboard. I switch back and forth with 'setxkbmap
> dvorak' / 'setxkbmap us. 
...
> I really need to learn to touch type properly, and then there will
> really be no reason not to use the same keyboard for everything,
> switching on the fly with 'setkkbmap' or something like I mentioned
> above (e.g. 'grp:ctrl_rwin_toggle'). Why wouldn't that be the optimal
> solution?

Yes; that is the optimal solution.  I learned to touch type in 1963,
and I switched to the Dvorak-Classic layout in 1983.  The transition
took only a few weeks, because I refused to return to the QWERTY
layout.  The transition takes much longer if you switch back and forth
from Dvorak to QWERTY.

However, back then I did use a keyboard in which the keycaps
were marked according to the Dvorak layout.  But now I use a standard
keyboard on which the keys have QWERTY markings.  

English keyboard users who decide to make the switch should choose the
"Dvorak-Classic" layout instead of the plain "Dvorak" layout.  The
difference is that in the Classic layout -- which follows the original
as designed by Dvorak himself -- the numeric key row is as follows:

[ 7 5 3 1 9 0 2 4 6 8 ]

But the layout adopted by ANSI (American National Standards Institute)
about 1983 uses the QWERTY arrangement for the numeric row of keys.
This sometimes is called the "modified Dvorak" layout, but most of the
time it simply is called the "Dvorak" layout.

If you wish to be able to type numbers without pain and without error,
insist upon the Dvorak-Classic layout!  Note that Dvorak-Classic is
available in XKB.  

RLH


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When USB Harddisk connected, nothing happens

[Lars de Bruin]

Hi,

When i connect my Maxtor OneTouch 500GB III EXT3 , dmesg says there is a 
new device connected:
Apr 21 21:31:12 localhost kernel: usb 5-5: new high speed USB device 
using address 2

What happens then is a mistry for me:
1. When i run top: id = 100% load
2. System load goes up exactly to 2.0 2.0 2.0
3. No dev is given to the external harddisk
4. I have to reboot to see the external harddisk
5. cat /proc/usb/devices my terminal hangs
6. lsusb my terminal hangs

This is not the way it should be.
The disk is 100% ok and tested on a Ubuntu Laptop, and i have run fschk.

Server:
Debian Sarge (updated)
kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16
2x 160GB (Software Mirror) md0
2x 200GB (Software Mirror) md1
2GB Memory




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Re: Default soundcard with alsa

[Stephen Cormier]

On April 24, 2007 07:21:01 am Atis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have two soundcards, but after each reboot the built-in gets
> default, so after every reboot i have to run alsaconf, and select
> correct soundcard.
>
> How i can have my second card to be primary after every reboot? I
> suspect alsaconf doesn't write something correctly, but i don't get
> any error messages.
>
> Currently using Lenny, but had the same problem on Etch.
>
> Regards,
> Atis
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci | grep udio
> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6
> Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
> 01:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev
> 10)
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep snd
> snd_cmipci 31456  5
> gameport   14632  1 snd_cmipci
> snd_pcm_oss38368  0
> snd_mixer_oss  15200  2 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm68676  3 snd_cmipci,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_page_alloc  9640  1 snd_pcm
> snd_opl3_lib9920  1 snd_cmipci
> snd_hwdep   8836  1 snd_opl3_lib
> snd_mpu401_uart 8064  1 snd_cmipci
> snd_seq_dummy   3844  0
> snd_seq_oss28768  0
> snd_seq_midi8192  0
> snd_seq_midi_event  7008  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
> snd_seq45680  6
> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
> snd_timer  20996  4 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq
> snd_rawmidi22560  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
> snd_seq_device  7820  6
> snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
> snd47012  18
> snd_cmipci,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu
>401_uart,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 
>  9248  2 snd

Create a file/modify the existing one to be similar to the one I show below 
with the module for your PCI card being the first (snd-card-0 index=0 lines) 
then have your onboard as the second (snd-card-1 index=1 lines). Now when you 
start your machine the cards should be detected and used in the proper order.

cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound

alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
options snd-emu10k1 index=0
alias snd-card-1 snd-intel-hda
options snd-intel-hda index=1
alias snd-card-2 snd-bt87x
options snd-bt87x index=2

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Re: [OT] Re: Debian User List

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Andrew J. Barr wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>> I can't access the site, since I don't have a flash extension
>> installed. See what not enabling flash can gain!
> 
> I'm on a PowerPC laptop. Flash isn't an option for me. :P
> 

Yes, that's why people shouldn't design flash only sites.  Sure it might
be fine for people who like to make funny videos or something, but for a
business it is a stupid idea.  Personally, if my bank decided to do
something so ludicrous I would change banks.

I have flash enabled in my browser, only so I can see the advertising,
which I block with adblock-plus ;-)  Honestly, I think it is a shame
that flash has become a de-facto standard when Macromedia (now Adobe)
refuses to create the players for all systems.

If they refuse to create the software, the least they could do would be
to open the standard so that others could.  Alas, that doesn't seem to
be the case, and Adobe is historically bad at this sort of thing.  It
seems they are firmly in the MS camp, as are some other companies.

Alas, there is little we can do but hope that someone can reverse
engineer the format well enough to create packages that you can use.
Don't hold your breath because by the time they do, there will be a
newer version that everyone else moves to.  A harsh bit of reality if
you ask me.

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Re: iceweasel and javascripts

[John Hasler]

bs writes:
> But then why does Firefox 2.0.0.3 on Windows XP have no problems
> rendering the site, but iceweasel 2.0.0.3 on Etch cannot seem to render
> it? Same settings as near as I can tell.

Doesn't Firefox on XP have access to Microsoft DLLs?

As someone else mentioned, there may also be a useragent bug in the site.
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Configuration of a Powerbook G4

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Hi everybody, I am a new user so please forgive me if I ask you silly questions 
in poor english.

I have a problem after installing Debian 4.0 on my Powerbook G4 (you can find 
in this link all the specs 
http://support.apple.com/specs/powerbook/PowerBook_G4_12-inch_DVI.html), as 
Xserver does not work.
Do you know a step by step configuration tutorial for this laptop, or do you 
have any suggestions? I couldn't find any detailed information with google.
Thanks
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Re: When USB Harddisk connected, nothing happens

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Lars de Bruin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When i connect my Maxtor OneTouch 500GB III EXT3 , dmesg says there is a
> new device connected:
> Apr 21 21:31:12 localhost kernel: usb 5-5: new high speed USB device
> using address 2
> What happens then is a mistry for me:
> 1. When i run top: id = 100% load
> 2. System load goes up exactly to 2.0 2.0 2.0
> 3. No dev is given to the external harddisk
> 4. I have to reboot to see the external harddisk
> 5. cat /proc/usb/devices my terminal hangs
> 6. lsusb my terminal hangs
> 
> This is not the way it should be.
> The disk is 100% ok and tested on a Ubuntu Laptop, and i have run fschk.
> 
> Server:
> Debian Sarge (updated)
> kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16
> 2x 160GB (Software Mirror) md0
> 2x 200GB (Software Mirror) md1
> 2GB Memory
> 
> 
> 
> 
I would suggest upgrading the Sarge Server to Etch.  Etch uses udev,
which should work much better with newer hardware.  Comparing a process
on Ubuntu and a process on Sarge is not really fair because Ubuntu has
much newer packages than Sarge does, even when it is fully updated.

Joe

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Re: UUID vs /dev

[Bob McGowan]

Michael Pobega wrote:

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:03:13PM +0200, Andrea S. Gozzi wrote:

I noticed that ubuntu 7.04 switched to the UUID method for
drives/partitions identification in fstab.
I heard rumors that debian will soon do the same (or already does).

Even with google I couldn't find any *impartial* comparison of the two
methods for identifying hardware.
Since it seems to be what most distributions will do from now on, I
wanted to discuss its benefits and/or flaws.

Personally I don't see any point in using UUID=xxx instead
of /dev/xxx (also beacuse to get the ID you need 'vol_id -u /dev/xxx'),
but there are surely pros I'm not aware of...


Andrea




I think UUID is used because it is better to use UUID to recognize the
drives than /dev. For example, if you're trying to have your USB drive
automount to /mnt/usb, you'd use something like "/dev/sdb1" in fstab,
correct? What if you plug in an external drive? That will be picked up
at /dev/sdb, and following that the USB thumbdrive will be picked up as
/dev/sdc. The reason for UUIDs is to make it so that the computer can
recognize the drives by their device ID rather than the order they were
plugged in.

I may be wrong though. This is what I've been told.



This is correct, but is a 'high overview' level description.  A few more 
details, maybe, will help understanding what's going on (and the only 
downside I know for it).


First, the UUID and LABEL methods work in basically the same way, but 
the UUID is generally considered better, particularly for drives that 
migrate between systems (such as USB or Firewire).  There is less of an 
issue with colliding values between multiple systems using the UUID.


On booting, the system scans devices and determines the UUID (or LABEL), 
and creates symlinks from the UUID/LABEL directories (/dev/disk/by-uuid 
or /dev/disk/by-label) pointing to the actual device node associated 
with the UUID/LABEL.


So the system can find a device node, using the LABEL or UUID.  Once 
found, the system uses the device node.  It's this that leads to the 
single 'downside' that I've seen, of using UUID/LABEL:


Once mounted, the system 'forgets' the UUID/LABEL, so output of the 
'mount' command lists device nodes.  Same for 'df'.


And, KwikDisk (KDE applet) will show two items for a particular mount 
point, the content from fstab (LABEL/UUID) and the device node actually 
mounted and used to access the device.  It's pretty quickly obvious (for 
the moderately experienced user) which element to use to umount the 
device, but the multiple entries can become confusing if you have 
several disks or partitions set up this way.


Bob


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Re: Etch / ThinkPad 600E / D-Link DFE-690TXD

[Michael Lueck]

Michael Lueck wrote:


Where should I set that kernel flag?


Never mind, I found the spot.

First, to test it out, I edited /etc/lilo.conf adding an append="acpi=off" 
line. That indeed worked.

So I reinstalled booting the Etch CD with options: expert acpi=off

Installation went smoothly, and /etc/lilo.conf even reflected the acpi=off.

Debian Etch certainly has a high degree of polish!

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Re: UUID vs /dev

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Bob McGowan wrote:
> Michael Pobega wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> I think UUID is used because it is better to use UUID to recognize the
>> drives than /dev. For example, if you're trying to have your USB drive
>> automount to /mnt/usb, you'd use something like "/dev/sdb1" in fstab,
>> correct? What if you plug in an external drive? That will be picked up
>> at /dev/sdb, and following that the USB thumbdrive will be picked up as
>> /dev/sdc. The reason for UUIDs is to make it so that the computer can
>> recognize the drives by their device ID rather than the order they were
>> plugged in.
>>
>> I may be wrong though. This is what I've been told.
>>
> 
> This is correct, but is a 'high overview' level description.  A few more
> details, maybe, will help understanding what's going on (and the only
> downside I know for it).
> 
> First, the UUID and LABEL methods work in basically the same way, but
> the UUID is generally considered better, particularly for drives that
> migrate between systems (such as USB or Firewire).  There is less of an
> issue with colliding values between multiple systems using the UUID.
> 
> On booting, the system scans devices and determines the UUID (or LABEL),
> and creates symlinks from the UUID/LABEL directories (/dev/disk/by-uuid
> or /dev/disk/by-label) pointing to the actual device node associated
> with the UUID/LABEL.
> 
> So the system can find a device node, using the LABEL or UUID.  Once
> found, the system uses the device node.  It's this that leads to the
> single 'downside' that I've seen, of using UUID/LABEL:
> 
> Once mounted, the system 'forgets' the UUID/LABEL, so output of the
> 'mount' command lists device nodes.  Same for 'df'.
> 
> And, KwikDisk (KDE applet) will show two items for a particular mount
> point, the content from fstab (LABEL/UUID) and the device node actually
> mounted and used to access the device.  It's pretty quickly obvious (for
> the moderately experienced user) which element to use to umount the
> device, but the multiple entries can become confusing if you have
> several disks or partitions set up this way.

Thanks Bob, for the clear explanation.

Now I understand why in Windows when one wants to "safely remove" a
device it shows a list of things that make it very hard to figure out
what to click on.  That of course has little bearing on my now since I
dumped my MS baggage.

I can understand the usage of UUID on removable drives, but it seems the
new way of dealing with *all* disks is UUID.  Why this needs to be so
for normal hard drives remains a mystery to me.

Joe

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Re: laptop harddrive noise

[Adam Hardy]

Joe Hart on 24/04/07 15:51, wrote:

Adam Hardy wrote:

I installed etch onto a new pc which is made up of a low energy
consumption mobo and two 2.5 inch laptop 120 gig harddrives.

The low energy consumption was my priority because I want to leave the
machine on 24x7. However these are the first 2.5 inch harddrives I've
ever had and they (or at least one of them) are making a disconcerting
clicking noise every 5 to 25 seconds at random - it sounds a bit like a
metronome, if it wasn't so irregular.

What I'm wondering, is whether it's etch reading or writing and the
noise is the  disc spinning up or the heads engaging.

I've configured the machine to run as a proxy gateway for my network
with a firewall, but also with KDE, although that's not running as I sit
here now listening to it. I shut down a few of the daemons that I
thought might be causing it, but it carries on regardless.

As well as being disconcerting, it's also an issue because I want to use
this as a media center as well, and the last thing I want is some
constant clicking noise.



How much memory does this laptop have, and what services are you
actually running?  I would turn off everything and then enable things
one by one.  AFAIK, there should be no disk access if there are no
services running and there is enough ram (which is most likely the case)
to run the system without having to use swap.

Do you really think it is wise to use the laptop as a do-it-all machine
like you're planning?


There's loads of RAM - 2 gigs. I ended up with only the networking services 
(dhcpd, iptables etc) running, I stopped everything else. The noises continued 
until I powered down. I left it for a while and when I came back and booted the 
machine, the noise was no longer occuring. Strikes me as a hardware problem now.


Regarding your question, the main priority is to have the machine run 
efficiently, i.e. low power consumption, low heat output, low noise, 24x7, 
acting as a server and internet gateway. About 1/4 of the time though it will be 
used to play music, dvds, surf the web etc.


Whether that's a bad idea with this hardware setup should make itself apparent 
fairly quickly. It doesn't seem such a bad thing to me - but I admit I have 
little experience with laptops.


The main thing I'm worried about is overheating which in the short term will 
cause the intel cpu to drop its speed deliberately. In the long term if it runs 
hot all the time, the cpu just won't last as long. I intend to keep an eye on it.



Adam


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Re: cups and samba stop working after upgrade to etch

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 19:48:49 -0400, Bill Shofner wrote:
> On 04/23/2007 05:58:06 PM, Florian Kulzer wrote:

[...]

>> One more thing to try is to get rid of samba completely:
>>
>> aptitude --purge-unused purge samba samba-common smbclient
>> webmin-samba smbldap-tools
>
> L550r:/home/bill# aptitude --purge-unused purge samba samba-common 

[...]

>> and then to reinstall only these packages:
>>
>> aptitude install samba samba-common smbclient
>
> Re-installing samba ...
>
> L550r:/etc# aptitude install samba samba-common smbclient

[...]

> Setting up samba (3.0.24-6) ...
> Generating /etc/default/samba...
> tdbsam_open: Converting version 0 database to version 3.
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 1 (min password 
> length), returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 2 (password history), 
> returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 3 (user must logon to 
> change password), returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 4 (maximum password 
> age), returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 5 (minimum password 
> age), returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 6 (lockout duration), 
> returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 7 (reset count 
> minutes), returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 8 (bad lockout 
> attempt), returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 9 (disconnect time), 
> returning 0
> account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 10 (refuse machine 
> password change), returning 0

I am not sure what to make of these messages, but I have very little
experience in running a samba server. It seems like the daemons start up
OK now.

[...]

> Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd.
>
> Setting up smbclient (3.0.24-6) ...
>
>
> No error message e-mail this time.  Let me see what I can see from the 
> wife's Windows computer
>
> When trying to add a printer on my wife's Windows XP machine I am asked for 
> a user name and password to connect to this computer. I supply the username 
> and password but am unable to connect to the printer. Is samba finally 
> running?

You have to set up the exported folders, printers, authorized users,
etc. again. Purging the samba packages removed all your configuration
files, but since we could not isolate the cause of your problem we did
not have much choice. See Greg's recent mail for tips about samba
administration. 

I think you can now also restore the rest of your system (your libc6
version was OK, by the way.) I would do it like this:

1) Comment out all unofficial repositories (including debian-multimedia)
   in your /etc/apt/sources.list. 

2) Run "aptitude update" and then
   
   aptitude search '~i!~Odebian'

   to get a list of all unofficial/obsolete packages. Save this list of
   packages. Verify that nothing important is on the list and run

   aptitude remove '~i!~Odebian'

   (Ask here if you are unsure about what is important.)

3) Now your system should be clean and it should be possible to
   reinstall the Debian packages that were removed because they were
   broken earlier.

4) After that has been done you can include debian-multimedia and other
   unofficial repositories again in your sources.list. Make sure to
   change "sarge" to "etch" where necessary. Then run "aptitude update"
   and it should be possible to install all the extra packages you want
   (e.g. w32codecs).

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Re: UUID vs /dev

[Thilo Six]

Joe Hart wrote the following on 24.04.2007 18:28:



> I can understand the usage of UUID on removable drives, but it seems the
> new way of dealing with *all* disks is UUID.  Why this needs to be so
> for normal hard drives remains a mystery to me.

First
I had used the LABEL in fstab even before Ubuntu did use UUIDs.

Where is this use full?
e.g.
I get used to play with my system.  ;)
Do this, do that, try an other distri and so on.

Once after an "testinstallation" the /dev/sda[1-9) system got confused.
What was /var = /dev/sda5 (or s.th.) had now been /dev/sda6 which contained
my  /home data.
Imagine my face at realising this. ;)

anyway man fstab:
<--
Instead of giving the device explicitly, one may indicate the (ext2  or xfs)
filesystem that is to be mounted by its UUID or volume label (cf.
e2label(8) or  xfs_admin(8)),  writing  LABEL=  or  UUID=,
e.g.,   `LABEL=Boot'   or  `UUID=3e6be9de-8139-11d1-9106-a43f08d823a6'.
This will make the system more robust: adding or removing a  SCSI  disk
changes the disk device name but not the filesystem volume label.
-->

> Joe

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Re: When USB Harddisk connected, nothing happens

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Hello Lars,

Lars de Bruin wrote:
> When i connect my Maxtor OneTouch 500GB III EXT3 , dmesg says there is a
> new device connected:
> Apr 21 21:31:12 localhost kernel: usb 5-5: new high speed USB device
> using address 2
> What happens then is a mistry for me:
> 1. When i run top: id = 100% load
> 2. System load goes up exactly to 2.0 2.0 2.0
> 3. No dev is given to the external harddisk
> 4. I have to reboot to see the external harddisk
> 5. cat /proc/usb/devices my terminal hangs
> 6. lsusb my terminal hangs

According to your subject line: all this == nothing

What does fdisk -l tell you?

Could it be that there are some hardware problems with usb on your sarge
system?
I had some 'funny' problems with usb hard drives on one of my (older)
computers and it turned out that those disappeared, when I connected the
usb disk to another computer (different hardware, but same
installation/configuration).

Otherwise it could also be a configuration issue.

I have used many different usb disks on many different sarge systems
without problems.

HTH, regards,
Johannes

> This is not the way it should be.
> The disk is 100% ok and tested on a Ubuntu Laptop, and i have run fschk.
> 
> Server:
> Debian Sarge (updated)
> kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16
> 2x 160GB (Software Mirror) md0
> 2x 200GB (Software Mirror) md1
> 2GB Memory



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Re: Irresponsible user stories!

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Celejar wrote:
> I don't think that protecting Windows machines with firewalls and
> shutting down services is particularly difficult.

But maybe more difficult than
aptitude install 
;-)

The point in this particular case is, that this computer lab apparently
does not apply security patches regularly and does not protect their
systems from someone entering the room and installing a new OS of their
liking on any computer; thus encouraging abuse of any kind.

Protecting their machines with firewalls and shutting down services is
only about the final step required to improve security along a much
longer journey...

Johannes


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Network Bandwidth Sniffer

[Bruffey, Mark]

Is there a program that I can install on Debian that will identify every
other node on the network and report in real time (or even in summary)
how much bandwidth each node is using? Thanks, Mark
 

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Re: laptop harddrive noise

[yag]

You may want to check this.


http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_hard_drive_clicking



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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Amy Templeton]

Michael Dominok wrote:
> [Snipped Horrorstory (by Gnu Raiz)]
> Gnu Raiz wrote:
> > Oh if your curious about what University I attend it's
> > the University of Memphis, not that it makes any
> > difference.
>
> Is this typical for US-universities?

*Sigh*...it certainly is at mine. Almost all the labs are
Windows-only, but a few proudly sport fancy new Macs. Of
course, even the Macs run Microsoft products (particularly
MS-Office). Many people have no idea that Firefox is
installed on the computers and use IE exclusively. And they
blame the fact that the network isn't secure on IRC--it's
forbidden without special permission, and yet they allow
people to send and receive MS Office files over the Internet
and use Outlook Express! Oh, and they require professors to
set up websites sites on a lovely online program called
Blackboard, which is not only proprietary software but also
clearly just *bad* (I know several students with physical
handicaps who simply can't use it because it breaks their
screen readers). And to top it all off, if you seek support
for anything computer-related and it comes out you use
Linux, the support folks just assume that you don't need
help after all (even if it's a hardware problem) because
you're clearly a "computer wizard."

I've managed to get a few professors to recognize some
accessibility problems with the website thing and also to
start sending files in open formats such as PDFs and text
(because it really is inconvenient to go to the library or a
computer lab just to read my email), but for the most part
everything computer-related on campus is just bad news. And
it kind of puts me in a bad situation because I advocate/am
active in a lot of groups on a lot of different issues, so
with the computer stuff on top of everything else I kind of
get seen sometimes as "that girl who complains about
everything," since my school does have some serious
accessibility issues in general.

In non-computer realms, however, it's an amazing school.
Very progressive, even. *Shrug*

Amy

P.S.:  They start the MS training early. When I was in high
   school, they offered classes on how to become
   "Microsoft Office Certified" or some such nonsense.


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Re: dpkg-buildpackage; building from subversion

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On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 03:59:56AM -0700, John Pye wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to get my head around package building with Debian, coming
> from my earlier experiences with RPMs.
two bits:
the debian-mentors mailing list and website (google will find it)
its specifically about helping folks making deb packages
lar's recent overview at here[0].

[0] http://liw.iki.fi/liw/talks/debian-packaging-tutorial.pdf

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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[John L Fjellstad]

Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is this typical for US-universities?
> 3 out of the 3 (german) universities I have attended were running
> *nix-system for their students/stuff.
>
> Looks like "old Europe" is leading here?

Well, I only attended on US college, but Santa Clara U always had a UNIX
lab.  Used to be HP-UX, now it's Solaris.  Actually, the engineering lab
has three systems, Solaris, Linux and Windows.

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Re: UUID vs /dev

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> for normal hard drives remains a mystery to me.
there were times that folks had a drive showup as hda and then sda or
hda then hde because of various issues(distro, kernel module, etc.)
UUID or similar methods removed those issues and provides consisent
device nameing.
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Re: Irresponsible user stories!

[Gnu_Raiz]

 
"Cybe R. Wizard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrote:

>Ah, the old Memphis State University.  As I recall their only good
>department was the drama Dept.  Hey, they did, "HAIR!," back in the
>late '60s.  It comes as no surprise that they are Windows-only and
>probably don't even know Windows very well.
>Good luck.
>(Is The Circuit Playhouse still around?)

>Cybe R. Wizard

Yeah the Circuit Playhouse is still around but it's been incorporated into 
an new name called the playhouse on the square. They are doing a lot of 
construction on campus probably looks a lot different now then back in 
the day.

http://map.memphis.edu/
http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=752b8a8b-dd61-4d87-99b5-dfa45ab28978

The second link is a local story about some brazen bandits stealing some 
weapons out of a swat van while they ate at a BBQ joint. What was funny 
is we received an E-mail last week about how the University is secure, 
but this happened behind the college library a few weeks before that.

http://media.www.dailyhelmsman.com/media/storage/paper875/news/2007/04/10/News/Stabbing.Suspects.Arrested.Friday-2831806.shtml

Anyway I am a transplant, been here over 10 years my wife was born and 
raised here but some places are pretty rough. If everything goes well I 
should be done with my education in a year to year in a half. But I have 
been at senior status for like 2 years. Oh if your curious about why I 
have sticked with Gnu_Raiz,  it goes back to my Usenet days with 
Alt.binaries just never felt the need to drop it.

Gnu_Raiz


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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Andrew Perrin]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, John L Fjellstad wrote:


Michael Dominok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Is this typical for US-universities?
3 out of the 3 (german) universities I have attended were running
*nix-system for their students/stuff.

Looks like "old Europe" is leading here?


Well, I only attended on US college, but Santa Clara U always had a UNIX
lab.  Used to be HP-UX, now it's Solaris.  Actually, the engineering lab
has three systems, Solaris, Linux and Windows.

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My sense is that it's typical for universities to do the standard lock-in 
thing for desktop environments, i.e., most people use Windows so we do 
too. However, most universities also run more serious systems for servers, 
enterprise computing, and research, and these are often unix-ish of some 
sort. My two office computers and my laptop, all university owned, are all 
Debian pure, but with tenure, hey, what are they going to do to me? :)


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Re: texlive document source files

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 02:19:13 +, Tyler Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm confused as to how to install source files for use with
> texlive. I'm editing a multifile document, and I want to use a .bst
> file to format the bibliography. It works if I put this file in the
> same directory as the document. But I want to put it in a directory
> that bibtex will search automatically, so that I can refer to it for
> documents in any directory without making many copies. So I checked
> with kpathsea for the path to bst files. One of the options was
> ~/texmf/tex/latex/bibtex/bst, so I created that directory, put the
> ..bst file in there, and ran mktexlsr. However, bibtex complains that
> the file is not found when I run it. What have I missed?
> 
> I'm using emacs with auctex/reftex, running the latest version of
> texlive et al on Lenny.

Try to put the .bst files into

~/texmf/bibtex/bst/

Also, make sure that your version of mktexlsr still includes the user's
~/texmf by default. The newest version does not seem to do that anymore
on my Sid system. (texlive 2007-4, which AFAIK is not in Lenny yet)

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Re: Debian User List

[Amy Templeton]

"Michael Pobega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I completely agree with this; If I wasn't bound to always
> have to monitor my battery life and wireless signal
> graphically (Because I'm on a laptop) I'd probably be
> using Ion3 or wmii instead of Window Maker.

Hmm, you know, I think that both of those window managers
offer the ability to display messages to the user (I *could*
just be making that up, but I don't think so). In that case,
you could toss together a simple BASH script or something
that would periodically display your battery usage and
wireless signal, since there are shell commands that can
output that kind of info...so if you really want to switch,
that could possibly be a workable option (then again, it
might just get annoying).

Amy


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Re: [OT] Universities, Linux, M$, USA

[Bill Thompson]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:10:48 -0400
Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> P.S.:  They start the MS training early. When I was in high
>school, they offered classes on how to become
>"Microsoft Office Certified" or some such nonsense.

This is because Microsoft donates millions of dollars to schools
specifically to sponsor programs that encourage exclusive use of M$
software. At the University of Washington in Seattle (Microsoft's
home town) BG and PA practically bought the UW computing program
(http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=allen09&date=20031009)
subsequently, most of the Unix resources have been replaced by C++
courses and the labs with Windows systems. 

I am sure this is happening all over the US, just one of the benefits
of living in a corporate run state. Don't worry EU, your next.

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Re: no USB mouse in Etch

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 14:48:42 +, Tim Frink wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:20:12 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> 
> >> 
> >> Any ideas what might be wrong?
> > 
> > What is the output of
> > 
> > ls -l /dev/input/by-id/
>
> There is no such a device.

/dev/input/by-id/ should be a directory of symbolic links which tell you
which input hardware has which device node. Maybe your udev is not
working properly. What is the output of

dpkg -l udev hotplug linux-image-\* | awk '/^[^D|+]/{print $1,$2,$3}'

> > Do you see output (codes) scrolling by if you run (as root)
> > 
> > cat /dev/input/mice | hd
> > 
> > and you move the mouse? (CTRL+C to exit)
> 
> No, when I move my USB mouse, there is no output. Moving my touchpad,
> I see some code.

If you have /dev/input/mouse0 or similar then you should also try that.

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Re: Disable ipv4 fragmentation

[Steve Langasek]

None of the lists you've sent this to are appropriate forums for this
question; redirecting to debian-user.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 05:39:53PM +, J HU wrote:
> Dear experts,

> I'm working with sockets in a debian with a version of kernel 2.6.x, and 
> I'd like to disable the fragmentation of the ipv4 introduce.
> I have read that there was the option of modified the file 
> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_always_defrag but it doesn't exist.
> So I'm totally lost and I need to disable that fragmentation or change the 
> size to the maximum of 65535.
> Anyone can help me?

What do you expect the system to do with oversized packets instead of
fragmenting them?  Discard them?

Fragmentation is used any time a given packet is too large to fit inside a
single frame of the underlying transport, as determined by the network
interface's MTU.

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Re: libXfont.so.1: undefined symbol: FT_Init_FreeType

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 01:48:36 +0300, gustavo halperin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> After upgrade to Debian release 4.0 I suffer some problems, the big one is 
> that the connection to X server be come lost if I call to: Eterm or to xpdf 
> or to ida.
> The are no message in no place, the only message I get is from the tty1 
> from where I start the X (startx). Below I attach the message:
>
>/usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfont.so.1: 
> undefined symbol:FT_Init_FreeType
>Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server 
> shutdown).
>xterm:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server ":0.0"
>X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
>X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
>xinit:  connection to X server lost.
>[27226] SessionExit already in progress ... now exiting
>X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

What is the output of these commands:

X -version

file /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfont.so.1

dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfont.so.1

apt-cache policy libxfont1

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Re: Since chvt works, the problem must be the keymap

[Amy Templeton]

Since chvt works, is there any way to make chvt a command
that is accessible by a normal user such as myself so that I
could bind it to a key with xbindkeys (for those of you just
tuning in, I can't seem to switch to a VT from X with the
standard Control-Alt- keybindings), but can using chvt
as root or with sudo. It doesn't seem to be a file
permissions problem, as I can *invoke* chvt as a normal user
but get the error "VT_ACTIVATE: Operation not permitted"
when I do so.

Any answers are much appreciated.

Amy


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