Re: Obsessed with a clean system

[Oliver Elphick]

On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 04:04, Tong Sun wrote:
> Looking at the packages I installed, I know there
> would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g.,
> 
> kscreensaver ktux xscreensaver kdewallpapers atlantik
> atlantikdesigner gnome-games gnome-games-data katomic
> kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kdegames
> kdegames-card-data kenolaba kfouleggs kgoldrunner
> khangman kjumpingcube klickety kmahjongg kmessedwords
> kolf konquest kpat ksirtet ksmiletris ksokoban
> kspaceduel libgdkcardimage0 libkdegames1 libkpathsea3
> lskat
> 
> I don't want them, but I have to keep them. This to me
> is a huge list. 

You do not have to keep them.

> I used to remove all files in unwanted rpm packages in
> RH, leaving only empty shells in the system. Anybody
> has done similar things in Debian?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo apt-get -u remove kbattleship
Password:
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  kbattleship kde kde-amusements kdegames
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 4 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 963kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -L kde
/.
/usr
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/kde
/usr/share/doc/kde/README.Debian
/usr/share/doc/kde/copyright
/usr/share/doc/kde/changelog.gz

[EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -L kde-amusements
/.
/usr
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/kde-amusements
/usr/share/doc/kde-amusements/README.Debian
/usr/share/doc/kde-amusements/copyright
/usr/share/doc/kde-amusements/changelog.gz

[EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg -L kdegames
/.
/usr
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/kdegames
/usr/share/doc/kdegames/AUTHORS
/usr/share/doc/kdegames/README
/usr/share/doc/kdegames/copyright
/usr/share/doc/kdegames/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/kdegames/changelog.Debian.gz

So you see that those three reverse dependencies are actually dummy
packages.  Their only purpose is to cause other packages to be
installed.

You can safely allow them to be removed, so far as the current operation
of your system is concerned.  It might in the future lead to some
hiccups; for example, if a new and necessary dependency were to be added
to kde, you would miss it.  Arguably, that would be added at the wrong
level, though.

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Re: 2.6.x kernel doubts

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Leonardo Marques (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Im thinking in upgrade to new kernel line (2.6.x), im using
> debian stable, i wanna know if have some problem between deb
> stable and 2.6.x kernel line. If exists, can i do something?

You need to install or upgrade some packages to make it work. You at
least need to install module-init-tools, because without is you won't
be able to load any modules. Upgrading the tools for your file systems
(e.g. reiserfprogs, e2fsprogs) and procps is also recommended. The rest
depends on what features you want to use. For the new cryptoloop api
you need updated mount and losetup programs, and maybe a newer
lmsensors package. Check the Changes file in the kernel source
Documentation directory for details. You can get all the packages you
need at backports.org.

best regards
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Re: Installing nVidia GeForce4 Ti4200 drivers

[george roman]

Joris Huizer wrote:
Richard Cavell wrote:
Hi,
I wish to extract my kernel source into /usr/src.  I downloaded it as 
a bz2 file.  Only root can write into this file.  My 'GNOME Desktop 
Manager' does not allow me to log in as root.

Now in KDE my Ark program will allow me to extract, but I can't write 
into /usr/src.  I can cheat by, say, extracting somewhere else then 
using root to move it in, but how would I do this properly?


You can use the `su ` command; It'll let you log in as another 
user in your console. If you leave out the name, it'll choose to let 
you login as root (so `su` is the same as `su root`)

You can also do the extracting and compiling without root powers, if 
you are in the src group; You can add yourself to the 'src' group (`su 
-c "adduser  src"`) - if you're in the X, login out of the X and 
log in again (otherwise you're groups aren't yet updated) - I don't 
know what's needed when you are on a virtual console, but login out 
there should help too

HTH,
Joris

if you want ti install the driver (as i remember) ou have to stop x 
server. so a solution to your proble is to wsitch in a terminal with 
(Ctrl+Alt+F1 dor example), kill your x server and then install the driver.


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Can't access both CD-RW and DVD-ROM

[Jules Dubois]

I'm running sid, with a custom 2.6.7 kernel which I build with make-kpkg.

I used to be able to access my (ATAPI) CD-RW but after I fooled around to 
make my (SCSI) DVD-ROM drive work, I can't access the ATA adapter at all.

Here's a diff showing all the changes between the two configurations. 
Under the old configuration, the CD-RW works.

  @@ -242,10 +242,10 @@
  -CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=m
  +CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y
   # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE is not set
   # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY is not set
  -CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m
  +# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set
  @@ -313,7 +313,7 @@
  -# CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS is not set
  +CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y
  -CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS=y
  -CONFIG_LEGACY_PTY_COUNT=256
  +# CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS is not set

Under the new configuration only, the kernel gives this error

  root:~# hdparm -i /dev/hdc
  /dev/hdc: No such device or address

but it works properly under the old configuration.

What did I hose?


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Re: Inspiron 8200 Alsa Problems

[Kevin C. Smith]

> dircha wrote:
>>
>> You didn't mention it, so I'll ask. I have an Inspiron 8200 as well,
>> and  I'm running a self-compiled 2.6.7 kernel. Have you tried just the
>> simple  route of running alsaconf? alsaconf successfully configures my
>> sound  without a problem.
> >
>
> I did, as that has worked as well as you describe in the past for me
> also.  However now after I select the intel8x0 driver it attempts to
> use  alsamixer to raise the volume and I get a device not found error
> and  nothing further happens.
>
> However I am much more hopeful now, at least there's someone with the
> same computer in a working configuration.  Did you compile ALSA from
> the  source shipped with the kernel or from the alsa-source package?
>
> Thanks,
>
> MBG

I have the same laptop, and had the same problem.
What I did may have been overkill but it worked.

Add to /etc/modules the snd_* modules you need.

My /etc/modules looks like this:

i8k
agpgart
snd_intel8x0
snd_ac97-codec
snd_nm256
snd_pcm
snd_timer
snd_page_alloc
gameport
snd_mpu401_uart
snd_rawmidi
snd_seq_device
snd
soundcore
snd_mixer_oss
snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_oss
ide-cd
speedstep_ich
psmouse
nvidia
rtc

Sound should work after this.

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Re: Not being detected as burner

[Anthony Campbell]

On 10 Aug 2004, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Scott Mohnkern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004 Aug 10 14:54 -0500]:
> > I've got a CD R/W on my Debian (386) box, and it works fine as a CD  
> > reader, but how do I get it detected as a burner?
> 
> If you're using a 2.6 kernel, then you can simply set up xcdroast as
> root and you should be good to go (I assume your CDRW is an IDE
> device).  

[snip]

Not in my experience: xcdroast keeps complaining that the drive should
be scsi and that it will be very slow as atapi. In fact, it entirely
failed to run for me; I gave up and went to cdrecord.

Anthony

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Re: mouse doesn't work on xWindow

[ximm]

OK, the problem was exactly this, the psmouse driver.

Thank you very much.
- Original Message - 
From: "Andreas Janssen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: mouse doesn't work on xWindow


> Hello
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> > Hello, after installing debian testing on my laptop, the touchpad
> > doesn't work , nor the PS/2 mouse. Although if I connect a serial
> > mouse it works.
> >
> > If I start with knoppix v.3.4 all works fine, so I don't thik the
> > problem is the configuration file (XF86Config4)
>
> Very probably you need to load the psmouse driver. Add it
> to /etc/modules, and run "modprobe psmouse".
>
> best regards
> Andreas Janssen
>
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libmysqlclient.10 breaking on 2.6 upgrade

[Alex Storman]

Hi all,

I am trying to upgrade my kernel from 2.4.22 to 2.6.7.  When I boot to the
new kernel, apache fails when trying to load mod_auth_mysql with the error:

Cannot load /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_auth_mysql.so into server:
/usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined
in file libc.so.6 with link time reference

The person who setup this system did install mysql from source, but
mod_auth, libsqlclient, glib and libc are all installed as .debs

In attempting to fix this problem I did an apt-get upgrade with no issues
(yet...)!

Can anyone point me in the right direction for solving this problem?

Thanks,

Alex


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X doesn't react to keyboard commands

[Jesper Holmberg]

Since a while ago, X doesn't react to keyboard commands (such as
ctrl+alt+backspace to kill it, or ctrl+alt+1 to switch to the console).
Nothing happens when I press these keyboard combinations. Does anyone know
what might be the problem?

I'm using testing/unstable, with this version of X:

xfree86-common   4.3.0.dfsg.1-4

TIA

Jesper


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Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

[Brian Nelson]

On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 01:28:10AM -0400, Cristian Gutierrez wrote:
> Brian Nelson wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >>> Furthermore, I ran into problems with offline synchronization.
> >>
> >> if you are using imap, there is zero syncrhonization problems,
> >> as your email and folders are only on the imap server
> >
> > Hmm?  I don't use OfflineIMAP for shits and giggles, ya know.  [...]
> 
> I think I've been where you are right now. I wanted Gnus flexibility but
> because nnmbox was a royal PITA, and nnmaildir didn't make it a lot
> better, I envied mutt's usual performance.
> 
> So I decided to `outsource' maildir access to a dedicated
> compiled-chunk-of-C-code daemon: I have courier serving IMAP to Gnus,
> and offlineimap syncing the mail server with the *maildir folders*, not
> the local server.
> 
> Now Gnus (via nnimap) scans, enters and exits folders blazingly fast
> (unlike nnmaildir), doesn't fill up my half-gigabyte memory (as nnmbox
> did), and doesn't interfere with offlineimap; instead, courier
> does. Well, does not :-) Being a maildir directory, those two coexist
> nicely.
[...]

Interesting.  Add enough levels of indirection and you will eventually
reach email nirvana.  :)

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Re: Installing nVidia GeForce4 Ti4200 drivers

[Joris Huizer]

george roman wrote:
Joris Huizer wrote:
Richard Cavell wrote:
Hi,
I wish to extract my kernel source into /usr/src.  I downloaded it as 
a bz2 file.  Only root can write into this file.  My 'GNOME Desktop 
Manager' does not allow me to log in as root.

Now in KDE my Ark program will allow me to extract, but I can't write 
into /usr/src.  I can cheat by, say, extracting somewhere else then 
using root to move it in, but how would I do this properly?


You can use the `su ` command; It'll let you log in as another 
user in your console. If you leave out the name, it'll choose to let 
you login as root (so `su` is the same as `su root`)

You can also do the extracting and compiling without root powers, if 
you are in the src group; You can add yourself to the 'src' group (`su 
-c "adduser  src"`) - if you're in the X, login out of the X and 
log in again (otherwise you're groups aren't yet updated) - I don't 
know what's needed when you are on a virtual console, but login out 
there should help too

HTH,
Joris

if you want ti install the driver (as i remember) ou have to stop x 
server. so a solution to your proble is to wsitch in a terminal with 
(Ctrl+Alt+F1 dor example), kill your x server and then install the driver.

Nah, you'll be compiling a kernel for half an hour or longer - just open 
a xterm or gnome terminal for the compiling and do your other stuff;
The drivers won't be installed just like that: you'll need to install 
the new kernel and boot into it; You'll see no change before you reboot

HTH,
Joris
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Framebuffer: tty1 and tty2 differs

[Johann Spies]

I have used "vga=792" as a startup parameter with kernel 2.6.7.  

On tty2 I can type "reën môre" and it displays it normally.  That is
not the case on tty1 when a Greek delta replaces the ë and another
strange character the ô.

I have tried "reset" on tty1, but that makes no difference.

Any explanation and solution?

Regards
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Re: How to test new installer?

[John L Fjellstad]

John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> www.debian.org
> 
> Scroll down to projects
> 

Hardly the most logical place to find the debian installer (developers
corner).  Although you can find the debian installer by following the
network install link on the main debian site.

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module weirdness during booting

[Joris Huizer]

Hello,
I'm looking at what's happening during a boot in the /var/log/boot file:
First /etc/modules is read:
Wed Aug 11 09:54:58 2004: Calculating module dependencies... done.
Wed Aug 11 09:54:58 2004: Loading modules...
Wed Aug 11 09:54:58 2004: dmfe
Wed Aug 11 09:54:58 2004: usblp
Wed Aug 11 09:54:58 2004: uhci_hcd
Wed Aug 11 09:54:59 2004: usbhid
Wed Aug 11 09:54:59 2004: usbcore
Wed Aug 11 09:54:59 2004: All modules loaded.
Good, that makes sence (you see I'm using a 2.6.x kernel, named 
2.6.7.040630)

Then some other stuff comes around, and (I think) someone tries to load 
2.4.x modules (? no idea what'd cause this!) :

Wed Aug 11 09:55:01 2004: Detecting hardware: agpgart dmfe emu10k1 usb_uhci
Wed Aug 11 09:55:01 2004: Skipping unavailable/built-in agpgart module.
Wed Aug 11 09:55:01 2004: Skipping already loaded module dmfe.
Wed Aug 11 09:55:01 2004: Skipping unavailable/built-in emu10k1 module.
Wed Aug 11 09:55:01 2004: Skipping unavailable/built-in usb_uhci module.
Then other stuff is done again; Finally, hotplug jumps in:
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004: Starting hotplug subsystem:
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:input
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:input[success]
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:isapnp
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:isapnp   [success]
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:net
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:net  [success]
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:pci
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:  uhci-hcd: already loaded
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:  uhci-hcd: already loaded
Wed Aug 11 09:55:02 2004:  ignoring pci display device on 01:00.0
Wed Aug 11 09:55:03 2004:  snd-emu10k1: loaded successfully
Wed Aug 11 09:55:03 2004:  dmfe: already loaded
Wed Aug 11 09:55:03 2004:pci  [success]
Wed Aug 11 09:55:03 2004:usb
Wed Aug 11 09:55:04 2004:usb  [success]
Wed Aug 11 09:55:05 2004: done
Now, why is it doing everything twice? I see the same happening when the 
computer is shut down;

Also, I've no idea where discover went, I upgraded discover packages 
that had a weird problem; I logged that:

debian:/home/jorishuizer# apt-get -u dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  libdiscover1
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
debian:/home/jorishuizer# apt-get install libdiscover1
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  discover1-data
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  discover discover-data libdiscover2
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  discover1-data
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libdiscover1
1 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
I thought it'd be smart to let apt-get do what it thought was smart, but 
ever since discover doesn't start during boot (though I probably don't 
even need it as everything still functions)

Can anyone tell me what this module weirdness and stuff is? This is not 
urgent (the computer is working fine) but it just bugs me that I don't 
understand what it tries to do in the different stages of booting

Thanks for any help finding out, (if you need logs and stuff just tell 
me were to get them ;) )

Joris
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Re: I hate it when that happens...

[John L Fjellstad]

John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> help set

Interesting.  I've used linux for almost ten years now, and never
actually realized that there is a help command...  Actually tried man
set earlier (before man bash)...

Always learning something new...

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Re: smtp exim4

[David Baron]

On Wednesday 11 August 2004 03:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> If someone could at least point me in the right direction, i.e. how to
> enable smtp connections, what logs to focus on (exim's seem to be way
> to terse to be useful - maybe I can increase the logging level?), etc.

Apparently, exim4 cannot read from other machine's servers. Use something like 
fetchmail (easy to set up) to get mail from these servers onto "localhost" 
and exim4 can move it to the appropriate "unix" mailbox.

Now ... I have a (dynamic) dns hostname. If I send email to that host, it goes 
to "neverland". If my machine is turned off, then I will get an error about 
undeliverable message. If my machine is on, no  error but no delivery either. 
What am I missing?


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Re: Switching between KDE and Gnome - How?

[John L Fjellstad]

Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have both KDE and Gnome on my Sarge. I have both kdm and gdm
> display managers. 

You really only need one or the other.  Both can start any wm you want.

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Re: Obsessed with a clean system

[Jon Dowland]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:58:45 +0100, Oliver Elphick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It might in the future lead to some
> hiccups; for example, if a new and necessary dependency were to be added
> to kde, you would miss it.  Arguably, that would be added at the wrong
> level, though.

Yes I think it would - each package should describe what packages it
depends as a Depends: and failure to do so is imho a bug.

Most dependency-bugs I encounter in sid are in the KDE packages.

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FOSS

[Mohammad Shadi]

Hello 

Thank you very much for answer to our Email  about  your help.   

There is quite a variety of Linux  from which to choose 

of the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake .

But we need any more Information for choose the software Linux.

can help answer to our, please?
  
which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake is the best software 
linux?

which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake to use as a server 
operating system?

which countries  the more choose and Customer for developments in countries around the 
world and why?


Thanks a lot
Best regards

   University Students


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Reboot Problem

[Werner Otto]

Hi,

I have been reading through the posts regarding the reboot problem and
the i810_tco module.

I have done the following, in the recovery mode: rmmod i810_tco to
remove the module. I checked my /etc/hotplug/backlist and the module
was listed under the watchdog section in that file.

My PC (SB75G2 Shuttle 2.8 P 4) is even rebooting in recovery mode. Is
there something that I am missing.

When booting normally and I get to the base configuration screen it
brings a few messages through the blue screen indicating usb_uhci
interrupt, status 2, Range #1449 and something about usc_core. I do
have a creatitve cordless keyboard and mouse (USB) interface. I asume
it is all to do with the hotplug and i810_tco module?
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Re:

[John Summerfield]

wrote:
Hello

The rules for this list are "no html"

Thank you very much for answer to our Email  about  your help.   

There is quite a variety of Linux  from which to choose

of the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake .
But we need any more Information for choose the software Linux.
can help answer to our, please?
  
which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake is 
the best software linux?

which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake to 
use as a server operating system?

Debian of course. We _all_ use Debian.
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Verifying DMI Pool Data

[Tom Allison]

Can anyone tell me what kind of an error this is?
I'm stuck at the boot with this as my only message.
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Re: Obsessed with a clean system

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 09:16:19PM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 10:27:58PM -0500, matt zagrabelny wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 22:04, Tong Sun wrote:
> > > try the 4th time.
> > > 
> > > Date:  Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Subject:  Obsessed with a clean system
> > > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 
> > > Hi, 
> > > 
> > > Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean
> > > system? 
> > > 
> > > Looking at the packages I installed, I know there
> > > would be lots of them that I will never use. E.g.,
> > > 
> > > kscreensaver ktux xscreensaver kdewallpapers atlantik
> > > atlantikdesigner gnome-games gnome-games-data katomic
> > > kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kdegames
> > > kdegames-card-data kenolaba kfouleggs kgoldrunner
> > > khangman kjumpingcube klickety kmahjongg kmessedwords
> > > kolf konquest kpat ksirtet ksmiletris ksokoban
> > > kspaceduel libgdkcardimage0 libkdegames1 libkpathsea3
> > > lskat
> 

Sounds like you installed the gnome and kde dependency packages instead
of just the packages you wanted, although gnome and kde do tend to
bring way too much in with them, both installation wise and extra
setting processes overhead. One of the reasons I use fvwm and rxvt, no
kde packages and very few gnome ones I couldn't live without.

> I had this problem at first.  I fixed large amounts of it by:
> (1) use x-window-system-core & twm instead of x-window-system
> (2) use kcontrol instead of kde
> (3) use gnome-control-center instead of gnome
> 
> Use apt-get to install (1) and aptitude to install (2) and (3).
> Aptitude will bring in enough of the rest of KDE/Gnome to run just about 
> everything: if kcontrol/gnome-control-center can run and the powerset of 
> its "recommends" is installed, everything will run and extra cruft won't 
> be brought in.
> 
> When you install other things, in general use "aptitude install" because 
> you usually also want to the recommends; but sometimes to be spare just 
> use "apt-get install", to only get the minimal dependencies.  I've
> found 

You can always configure aptitude not to install recommends. Run
aptitude with no options to get the ncurses interface, press f10 for
menu, then options and dependency handling.

BTW, AFAIK recent aptitude allows you to chose a program for
installation, and then when you review packages to install you can dump
the recommends without aptitude forcing them down your thought. Or you
can also press enter on the package name and see the list of
recommends, depends, suggests and which packages depend on any given
package and play around with that.

> that for the core dev tools I usually want all the recommends but for 
> some of the more exotic dev tools I only want the depends.
> 
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Re: Sarge Release?

[Wim De Smet]

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:30:29 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thus spake Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> > James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I've googled around but can seem to find a date for the release of
> > > Sarge as stable. Anyone have any guesses?
> >
> > Sometime around Christmas 2003.
> 
> So it's already nearly 8 months late...:-)
> 
> Didn't I see a target date of September 19 2004 on the web site?

Christmas 2003 was never a 'real' date just an estimate. There
recently was a post on debian-devel-announce:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/08/msg3.html

grtz,
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Re: Building two servers

[Hans Wilmer]

John Summerfield wrote:
NO NO NO NO
"Certified to work with Red Hat Enterprise Linux" does not mean it 
depends on RHEL.
Ja, I know :) It tells you that chances to run Linux on that hardware 
are pretty good, but you can´t be sure.

For example, I´ve seen a SCSI raid controller supporting Red Hat and 
Suse. It came with its own driver, but the driver required a certain 
kernel version and thereby certain versions of the Red Hat/Suse 
distribution. Unless the vendor would have provided another driver, you 
won´t have been able to use recent software versions. Such a controller 
is just a thing to avoid.

A lot of big purchasers, like you, want to know that the hardware will 
work with the sofware. Certification costs money which Debian doesn't have.
But the hardware vendors do --- and it´s in their interest beeing able 
to tell wheather their hardware can run Debian or not ...

mentioned there. So how am I supposed to find out if a particular 
board will be usable?
Ask the vendor. If the answer is unsatsifactory, seek other products.
I surely will --- I detailed a possible configuration yesterday and can 
now begin to ask the vendors. Besides, I always like to hear what users 
say ,for that often sounds much different from what vendors promised.

At worst, building a Debian kernel from RHEL source is not the end ofthe 
world, and the source is reaidily available to you.
Hmmm, sounds like a good idea, if the need arises :)
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Re: Problem running PHP4 with Apache

[cep welly]

[KS] wrote:
Is the 'register_globals' parameter still 'on' ?
cat /etc/php4/apache/php.ini | grep -i
register_global
   

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register_globals = Off
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scope, albeit register_globals

Off!!
Anything other option?
Thanks for the help though.
/KDS
 

...that's what i mean...you should set register_globals parameter 
to on

good luck
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Re: X doesn't react to keyboard commands

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 09:57:58AM +0200, Jesper Holmberg wrote:
> Since a while ago, X doesn't react to keyboard commands (such as
> ctrl+alt+backspace to kill it, or ctrl+alt+1 to switch to the console).
> Nothing happens when I press these keyboard combinations. Does anyone know
> what might be the problem?
> 


It should be the settings in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 under the
ServerFlags section.

The Alt-Ctrl+Backspace canceling option is DontZap. don't remember the
other one.

> I'm using testing/unstable, with this version of X:
> 
> xfree86-common   4.3.0.dfsg.1-4
> 
> TIA
> 
> Jesper
> 
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Re: Orphaned libraries and programs

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> I am using Debian sid. I had also installed some packages and libraries
> from original tar balls also. Now I think there are conflicts between some
> installed libraries.
> Is there any utility or option for dpkg which lists
> libraries/executables which are not installed by dpkg?

cruft is meant for this, as another poster has already indicated.

But your local libraries & executables should all be in /usr/local.
autoconf-based configure scripts default to installing in /usr/local, so I
would look there first for problem libraries (they should be in
/usr/local/lib).
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Re: Orphaned libraries and programs

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On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 08:17:42AM -0400, Loki wrote:

> But your local libraries & executables should all be in /usr/local.
> autoconf-based configure scripts default to installing in /usr/local, so I

Which is why utilities such as 'stow' and 'checkinstall' are so
useful.

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Re: Sarge not printing

[Filipi Vianna]

so it was working at one point?
I'm changing from slackware to debian. And when I was using
slackware those procedures had always worked.
And the apsfilter test page does print perfectly, from apsfilter SETUP.
what does lpq say?
Nothing. Simply doesn't print, and act as the job was done.
i dont know if this will help, but i had trouble with a lock file
I already checked for lock files. And the lpd usualy say something
where there are lock files...
I'm asking for the list because I have no more ideas on how to
solve this matter... I had checked I logs... And apsfilter should
be working. apsfilter's lists said that debian aplies many patches
on apsfilter and they can't know what is going wrong.
I guess if I chage to magic filter it should work, but apsfilter
alway work to me. I guess that those patches debian aplies to
apsfilter are making apsfilter send wrong instructions to the
ghostscript.
How can I fix this apsfilter?
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Re: Verifying DMI Pool Data

[Jon Dowland]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:36:05 -0400, Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what kind of an error this is?
> 
> I'm stuck at the boot with this as my only message.

I think its a BIOS thing. I see it myself - have you made a recent
hardware change?

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Re: Sarge not printing

[Filipi Vianna]

James Vahn wrote:
Filipi Vianna wrote:
But when I try to print with lpr or enscript (like I always did),
and nothing happen.
The syslog don't say anything.
The /var/spool/lp/log dumps some ghostscript errors.

It sounds as if apsfilter has set up a bad filter, possibly sending
binary or text to ghostscript. Sometimes magicfilter works where
apsfilter doesn't, and visa-versa. Try cupsys too.

I had also tested diferent drivers for the same printer, with diferent
ghostscript implementations... And the results are always de same.

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Re: unresolved kernel symbols

[Kevin B. McCarty]

Hi Tong,

> I am experiencing unresolved kernel symbol problem
> when compiling my pctel modem driver. 
> 
> The compilation and installation was ok. When trying
> to load the module, I get:
> 
> % insmod -f pctel
> Using /lib/modules/2.4.25-1-386/misc/pctel.o Warning:

Please read the error message output by the kernel:

> The module you are
> trying to load
> (/lib/modules/2.4.25-1-386/misc/pctel.o) is compiled
> with a
> gcc version 2 compiler, while the kernel you are
> running is compiled with
> a gcc version 3 compiler. This is known to not work.

Is the claim of the error message true -- that you compiled the module
with gcc-2.95?  This may have happened unintentionally if, for instance,
/usr/bin/cc or /usr/bin/gcc was a symlink to gcc-2.95 on your system.
If so, then the obvious fix is to make cc and gcc be symlinks to gcc-3.3
(this should be the case by default in sarge and sid) and recompile.

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Re: Sarge not printing

[Werner Otto]

Hi, 

My machine keeps on rebooting when installing Sarge of one of the
minimul CD's. The suspect module i810_tco is not even loaded on my
machine when I do a rmmod. This happens as soon as I need to configure
the base system. When the system boots there are some conflicts
regarding: error:  usb_uhci.c interupt, status 2, range #1449. I have
a optical cordless creative mouse and keyboard (usb interface)

I am running a SB75G2 Shuttle PC P4 intell. 

Any idea what the cause might be?

Regards
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Reboot loop

[Werner Otto]

Hi,

My machine keeps on rebooting when installing Sarge of one of the
minimul CD's. The suspect module i810_tco is not even loaded on my
machine when I do a rmmod. This happens as soon as I need to configure
the base system. When the system boots there are some conflicts
regarding: error:  usb_uhci.c interupt, status 2, range #1449. I have
a optical cordless creative mouse and keyboard (usb interface)

I am running a SB75G2 Shuttle PC P4 intell.

Any idea what the cause might be?

Regards
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battery power applet nowhere to be found

[Brian Samek]

I installed sarge and apt-getted kde and acpid.  Where's the
battery power applet?  The control panel has "show battery
monitor" checked.  And I can't add it by right-clicking the
taskbar.

Thanks,

Brian

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gcc error

[Martin Wegmann]

Hello, 

I encountered a gcc problem after upgrading various other packages. Previously  
./configure worked fine but now I get this message:

./configure --with-grass50=/home/misc/software/grass/grass53_exp_2004_08_07
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot 
create executables.

config.log tells me: 

This file contains any messages produced by compilers while
running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake.

configure:698: checking host system type
configure:721: checking for gcc
configure:825: checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works
configure:841: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c  1>&5
/usr/bin/ld: unrecognized option '--as-needed'
/usr/bin/ld: use the --help option for usage information
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure: failed program was:

#line 836 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"

main(){return(0);}



> apt-cache show gcc
Package: gcc
Priority: standard
Section: devel
Installed-Size: 28
Maintainer: Debian GCC maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Source: gcc-defaults (1.17)
Version: 4:3.3.4-2
Provides: c-compiler
Depends: cpp (>= 4:3.3.4-2), gcc-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), cpp-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.4-1)
Recommends: libc-dev
Suggests: make, manpages-dev, autoconf, automake, libtool, flex, bison, gdb, 
gcc-doc
Conflicts: gcc-doc (<< 1:2.95.3)
Filename: pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/gcc_3.3.4-2_i386.deb
Size: 4904
MD5sum: 8137bb3b2add83c858090a125e071124
Description: The GNU C compiler
 This is the GNU C compiler, a fairly portable optimizing compiler for C.
 .
 This is a dependency package providing the default GNU C compiler.

Package: gcc
Priority: standard
Section: devel
Installed-Size: 52
Maintainer: Debian GCC maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Source: gcc-defaults (0.21)
Version: 2:2.95.4-14
Provides: c-compiler
Depends: cpp (>= 2:2.95.4-14), gcc-2.95, cpp-2.95
Recommends: libc-dev
Suggests: make, manpages-dev, autoconf, automake, libtool, flex, bison, gdb, 
gcc-2.95-doc
Conflicts: gcc-doc (<< 1:2.95.3)
Filename: pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/gcc_2.95.4-14_i386.deb
Size: 3420
MD5sum: ca2733b8228f1a47592714cbaa3be453
Description: The GNU C compiler.
 This is the GNU C compiler, a fairly portable optimizing compiler for C.
 .
 This is a dependency package providing the default GNU C compiler for
 Debian GNU/Linux systems (version 2.95.4 for architecture i386).
Task: c-dev


any idea what might be wrong? using debian testing/unstable TIA Martin

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Re: Obsessed with a clean system

[Kirk Strauser]

On Tuesday 10 August 2004 22:04, Tong Sun wrote:

> Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system?

No.  Drives are cheap, but my time is not.  I have a ridiculous number of 
packages installed (because Debian makes it cheap to experiment and I don't 
get too worked up about removing the ones I don't use often), and the total 
size of my system (excluding /home, but including /usr/src and all of the 
kernel tarballs extracted in there) is 5.2 GB.

That's roughly 5% of the size of a hard drive that I can buy for $60 at the 
local office supply store, or $3 worth of space.  Even if I could cut that 
in half, I'd be saving about $1.50 worth of space at a cost of hundreds of 
dollars of time.

I used to be obsessed with clean drives before I upgraded the 120MB Connor 
in my Amiga.  Since then, I haven't spent much time worrying about it.
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Re: battery power applet nowhere to be found

[Brian Samek]

Never mind.  It appears after reboot.

I thought this was linux!

Why do I have to reboot? :-)

On Wednesday 11 August 2004 10:34 am, Brian Samek wrote:
> I installed sarge and apt-getted kde and acpid.  Where's the
> battery power applet?  The control panel has "show battery
> monitor" checked.  And I can't add it by right-clicking the
> taskbar.
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Re: Obsessed with a clean system

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:28:24AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 August 2004 22:04, Tong Sun wrote:
> 
> > Anybody here is as obsessed as I am for a clean system?
> 
> No.  Drives are cheap, but my time is not.  I have a ridiculous number of 
> packages installed (because Debian makes it cheap to experiment and I don't 
> get too worked up about removing the ones I don't use often), and the total 
> size of my system (excluding /home, but including /usr/src and all of the 
> kernel tarballs extracted in there) is 5.2 GB.
> 
> That's roughly 5% of the size of a hard drive that I can buy for $60 at the 
> local office supply store, or $3 worth of space.  Even if I could cut that 
> in half, I'd be saving about $1.50 worth of space at a cost of hundreds of 
> dollars of time.
> 
> I used to be obsessed with clean drives before I upgraded the 120MB Connor 
> in my Amiga.  Since then, I haven't spent much time worrying about it.

But keeping it clean primarily saves time.  Nobody cares about disk 
space.  Why download upgrades to all those packages you never need?  
Why fight broken upgrades on things?

Unless you run stable, I guess, and don't upgrade much.


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Re: gcc error

[Florian Ernst]

Hello!

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 05:09:03PM +0200, Martin Wegmann wrote:
> configure:698: checking host system type
> configure:721: checking for gcc
> configure:825: checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works
> configure:841: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c  1>&5
> /usr/bin/ld: unrecognized option '--as-needed'
> /usr/bin/ld: use the --help option for usage information
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

Hm, sounds like  and
 should tell more, despite the
different version. So if your system is more "unstable" than
"testing" try updating binutils.

HTH,
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Re: Obsessed with a clean system

[Kirk Strauser]

On Wednesday 11 August 2004 10:33, William Ballard wrote:

> But keeping it clean primarily saves time.  Nobody cares about disk
> space.  Why download upgrades to all those packages you never need?
> Why fight broken upgrades on things?

The OP did - he was deleting the contents of packages but leaving them in 
the package database.

If there were unused packages that were causing problems, then, sure, I'd 
delete them.  That hasn't been a problem for me, though.
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Re: battery power applet nowhere to be found

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Brian Samek:
> On Wednesday 11 August 2004 10:34 am, Brian Samek wrote:
> > I installed sarge and apt-getted kde and acpid.  Where's the
> > battery power applet?  The control panel has "show battery
> > monitor" checked.  And I can't add it by right-clicking the
> 
> Never mind.  It appears after reboot. I thought this was linux!  Why
> do I have to reboot? :-) 

Perhaps all you needed to do was restart X?


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Piped package list

[Aaron Peters]

I seem to recall seeing once that one of the package
tools (dpkg, apt, or another, I don't remember) could
save a package list that could later be piped as input
to return a system to an identical list of packages
with one command.  Am I crazy, and if not, how is this
done?

TIA,

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Re: Piped package list

[Thomas Adam]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 09:17:01AM -0700, Aaron Peters wrote:
> I seem to recall seeing once that one of the package
> tools (dpkg, apt, or another, I don't remember) could
> save a package list that could later be piped as input
> to return a system to an identical list of packages
> with one command.  Am I crazy, and if not, how is this
> done?

One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian 
machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the  command 
"dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base 
install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg 
--set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade".

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Re: SMP with Intel P4 HT processor & kernel 2.6.7

[Clement]

botio wrote:
Clement wrote:
 

I can boot up with kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 but not
kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686-smp.  The booting just half soon after
starting. Can you give me some suggestions?
The hardware is, Intel m/b w 875r chip set and P4-2.8GHz processor.
   

I have this problem too on a intel d865perl, it'related to ACPI.
have a look here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125841
there is a patch at comment #49.
 

Thank you very much.  That thread of discussion (or bug report) explain 
very well what I have experienced.   Now the patch is included in the 
Redhat kernel.  Does anyone know when this patch will be incorporated 
into the Debian kernel release?

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[Debian-user] Re: FOSS

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On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:16:55PM -0500, Mohammad Shadi wrote:
> which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake is the best 
> software linux?

These are all distributions of a Linux kernel with other software.

> which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake to use as a server 
> operating system?

Personal opinion: Debian for Server systems, SuSE is a very good 
Desktop system. Mandrake is also very good. Slackware is for advanced
users. Red Hat costs $$$ (lotsa money) to justify their product.


> which countries  the more choose and Customer for developments in countries around 
> the world and why?
> 

Sorry, can't understand what you are asking, could you please
be more clear.

HTH,

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>> which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake to use as a server 
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>
> Personal opinion: Debian for Server systems, SuSE is a very good 
> Desktop system. Mandrake is also very good. Slackware is for advanced
> users. Red Hat costs $$$ (lotsa money) to justify their product.

Argh...SuSE is so unmaintainable because of RPM, though...

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Re: Piped package list

[Jacob S.]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT)
Aaron Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I seem to recall seeing once that one of the package
> tools (dpkg, apt, or another, I don't remember) could
> save a package list that could later be piped as input
> to return a system to an identical list of packages
> with one command.  Am I crazy, and if not, how is this
> done?

No, not crazy at all. It's a very useful feature.

"dpkg --get-selections >& /file/to/output.txt"

"cat /file/to/output.txt | dpkg --set-selections" 

"apt-get upgrade"

(man dpkg for more information.)

HTH & HAND,
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Installing mySQL..

[Justin Cassidy]

Hey,

 When I install mysql via apt-get I get this error:

Selecting previously deselected package mysql-server.
(Reading database ... 36754 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking mysql-server (from .../mysql-server_3.23.49-8.6_i386.deb) ...
Setting up mysql-server (3.23.49-8.6) ...
Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed.


I tried /etc/init.d/mysql start as well as many other methods of starting
mysql but it fails. Any suggestions?

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Re: Installing mySQL..

[Rus Foster]

tOn Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Justin Cassidy wrote:
Hey,
When I install mysql via apt-get I get this error:
Selecting previously deselected package mysql-server.
(Reading database ... 36754 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking mysql-server (from .../mysql-server_3.23.49-8.6_i386.deb) ...
Setting up mysql-server (3.23.49-8.6) ...
Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed.
I tried /etc/init.d/mysql start as well as many other methods of starting
Try looking in /var/lib/mysql/hostname.err. That should tell you why its 
failing

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Re: SMP with Intel P4 HT processor & kernel 2.6.7

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Clement wrote:
> botio wrote:
> >Clement wrote:
> >>I can boot up with kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 but not
> >>kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686-smp.  The booting just half soon after
> >>starting. Can you give me some suggestions?
> >>
> >>The hardware is, Intel m/b w 875r chip set and P4-2.8GHz processor.
> >>
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >I have this problem too on a intel d865perl, it'related to ACPI.
> >have a look here:
> >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125841
> >
> >there is a patch at comment #49.
> > 
> >
> 
> Thank you very much.  That thread of discussion (or bug report) explain 
> very well what I have experienced.   Now the patch is included in the 
> Redhat kernel.  Does anyone know when this patch will be incorporated 
> into the Debian kernel release?

Please file a bug, severity important.

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Re: Piped package list

[Thomas Adam]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:50:07AM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:

Please see my reply to this.

> "dpkg --get-selections >& /file/to/output.txt"

There is no need to shunt stderr as well, since if anything is
written to it (unlikely), it will taint the file.

> "cat /file/to/output.txt | dpkg --set-selections" 
> 
> "apt-get upgrade"

No, you *must* do: apt-get dselect-upgrade.

> (man dpkg for more information.)

Heh, yes, it *is* worth reading.

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Re: [Debian-user] Re: FOSS

[Brian Pack]

On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 12:36, Didar Hussain wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:16:55PM -0500, Mohammad Shadi wrote:
> > which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake is the best 
> > software linux?
> 
> These are all distributions of a Linux kernel with other software.
> 
> > which the software Redhat + Debian + SuSE + SlackWare + Mandrake to use as a 
> > server operating system?
> 
> Personal opinion: Debian for Server systems, SuSE is a very good 
> Desktop system. Mandrake is also very good. Slackware is for advanced
> users. Red Hat costs $$$ (lotsa money) to justify their product.
> 
> 
> > which countries  the more choose and Customer for developments in countries around 
> > the world and why?
> > 
> 
> Sorry, can't understand what you are asking, could you please
> be more clear.
> 

I can clear it up in one word: spam.

It seems 95% of the spam I'm receiving is actually addressed to the
list, not my home address. This is surprising since the list is mirrored
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Re: Installing mySQL..

[Thomas Adam]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 05:38:51PM +0100, Justin Cassidy wrote:

> I tried /etc/init.d/mysql start as well as many other methods of starting
> mysql but it fails. Any suggestions?

Mail the output of:

bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start

Other than that, we cannot be *any* more specific, based on what you
have told us.

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Re: Piped package list

[Jacob S.]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:58:36 +0100
Thomas Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:50:07AM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:
> 
> Please see my reply to this.
> 
> > "dpkg --get-selections >& /file/to/output.txt"
> 
> There is no need to shunt stderr as well, since if anything is
> written to it (unlikely), it will taint the file.

True. Just a (potentially bad) habit I've gotten into for piping output
from GUI stuff into a text file.

> > "cat /file/to/output.txt | dpkg --set-selections" 
> > 
> > "apt-get upgrade"
> 
> No, you *must* do: apt-get dselect-upgrade.

Yep, thanks for the correction. Looks like I should have done "man
apt-get" in addition to recommending "man dpkg". :-)

> > (man dpkg for more information.)

Jacob

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Re: Switching between KDE and Gnome - How?

[Paul E Condon]

On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 11:04:36AM +0200, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I have both KDE and Gnome on my Sarge. I have both kdm and gdm
> > display managers. 
> 
> You really only need one or the other.  Both can start any wm you want.
> 

Yes, I know I cannot/should not have both running at once, but...
When I select "graphic desktop" or some such from within tasksel,
both are installed, and it is arranged that one start running on bootup.

Surely, there is a way to rearrange things so that the other starts running
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[Debian-user] Woody to Sarge?

[Didar Hussain]

Hi all,

I've got a couple of servers running Woody. Now, when Sarge
comes along in a few weeks, how do I upgrade?

Also, how long should I wait after Sarge goes Gold. Should
I just s/woody/sarge/g and do 

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-get dist-upgrade

Or would a fresh install from a netinstaller be more advisable?

Thanks,

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mySQL startup error -detailed

[Justin Cassidy]

Here is the details of what happens when I -x /etc/init.d/mysql start

limesky:/var/lib/mysql# bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start
+ test
+ test -x /usr/sbin/mysqld
+++ dirname /etc/init.d/mysql
++ cd /etc/init.d
++ pwd -P
++ basename /etc/init.d/mysql
+ SELF=/etc/init.d/mysql
+ CONF=/etc/mysql/my.cnf
+ MYADMIN=/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf
+ cd /
+ umask 077
+ export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin
+ PATH=/bin:/usr/bin
+ export HOME=/etc/mysql/
+ HOME=/etc/mysql/
+ echo -n 'Starting MySQL database server: mysqld'
Starting MySQL database server: mysqld+ is_mysqld_alive
+ /usr/bin/safe_mysqld
++ /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ return 1
+ sleep 1
+ is_mysqld_alive
++ /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ return 1
+ sleep 1
+ is_mysqld_alive
++ /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ return 1
+ sleep 1
+ is_mysqld_alive
++ /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ return 1
+ sleep 1
+ is_mysqld_alive
++ /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ return 1
+ sleep 1
+ is_mysqld_alive
++ /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ return 1
+ sleep 1
+ is_mysqld_alive
++ /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ return 1
+ echo ...failed.
...failed.


It just fails :(
Any suggestions?

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Re: [Debian-user] Woody to Sarge?

[Thomas Adam]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:04:03PM +0530, Didar Hussain wrote:
> Also, how long should I wait after Sarge goes Gold. Should
> I just s/woody/sarge/g and do 

I recommend you use the names 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable' in
sources.list, so that you don't have to change it for the codenames.
Stable is *always* Stable, but woody != Sarge when things change.

> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade
> apt-get dist-upgrade

Basically, yes.

> Or would a fresh install from a netinstaller be more advisable?

This isn't windows.

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Re: Switching between KDE and Gnome - How?

[Stefan Nicolai O'Rear]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:35:34AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 11:04:36AM +0200, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> > Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > I have both KDE and Gnome on my Sarge. I have both kdm and gdm
> > > display managers. 
> > 
> > You really only need one or the other.  Both can start any wm you want.
> > 
> 
> Yes, I know I cannot/should not have both running at once, but...
> When I select "graphic desktop" or some such from within tasksel,
> both are installed, and it is arranged that one start running on bootup.
> 
> Surely, there is a way to rearrange things so that the other starts running
> on bootup.

You should have a file /etc/X11/default-display-manager. It contains the
filename of the display manager (xdm/kdm/gdm/etc...). Changing it should
work. (Me, I set it to /bin/false so I get a console login...)


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Re: [Debian-user] Woody to Sarge?

[Jacob S.]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:40:33 +0100
Thomas Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:04:03PM +0530, Didar Hussain wrote:
> > Also, how long should I wait after Sarge goes Gold. Should
> > I just s/woody/sarge/g and do 
> 
> I recommend you use the names 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable' in
> sources.list, so that you don't have to change it for the codenames.
> Stable is *always* Stable, but woody != Sarge when things change.

I prefer to use the release name instead of 'stable', 'testing' and
'unstable'; especially in a corporate environment. Reason being -
upgrading all of the servers to a new release takes a lot of time. And
with any release, even Debian's remarkably good ones, you should test it
on a non-critical computer/server before using it on everything.

By using release names, you can continue to get security updates while
you're waiting to install the new release; whether you're waiting for
the new release to pass your tests, or just waiting for the time to do
the dist-upgrade.

> > apt-get update
> > apt-get upgrade
^^^
This step really isn't necessary, though. Everything in it and more gets
covered in the next one.

> > apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> Basically, yes.
> 
> > Or would a fresh install from a netinstaller be more advisable?
> 
> This isn't windows.

I dist-upgraded from Potato to Woody and then from Woody to Sarge. It's
been working great without the need for a clean install. 

HTH,
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Re: [Debian-user] Woody to Sarge?

[Brian Nelson]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:04:03PM +0530, Didar Hussain wrote:
> 
> I've got a couple of servers running Woody. Now, when Sarge
> comes along in a few weeks, how do I upgrade?

Read the fine release notes.  They document how upgrades should be
performed.

> Also, how long should I wait after Sarge goes Gold. Should
> I just s/woody/sarge/g and do 
> 
> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade
> apt-get dist-upgrade

I strongly recommend against using 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to do the
upgrade (aptitude, dselect, or another frontend are a much better bet).
Again, see the release notes.

> Or would a fresh install from a netinstaller be more advisable?

Only if you installed so many backports that your system differs wildly
from vanilla woody.  Even then, it's a judgment call and depends on the
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embedded development vs. GPL (was: Re: Sarge Release?)

[Nate Duehr]

On Wed, August 11, 2004 5:58, James said:

> Let's face it, most of linux's problems are a result on not being
> about to recruit a sufficient talent pool of low level embedded
> developers. Most of those that do convert (after a convoluted learning
> path) end up at a proprietary shop that puts linux on a processor, and
> hides the key low level details.

I would add a note here, a recent discussion of licenses on an embedded
microcontroller list that shall remain anonymous pointed out that the GPL
(and more appropriately the LGPL)'s restrictions on static linking make it
VERY difficult to develop for embedded processors using Linux and create a
marketable product.

Most compilers for small microcontrollers can't take advantage of dynamic
linking, there's simply not enough storage space on the devices.

Statically linking brings bad connotations under the LGPL, so development
of libraries for embedded microcontrollers end up choosing to use licenses
like Artistic, BSD, etc.

I'm just repeating this summary comment from another mailing list as I'm
curious how the Debianistas feel about this.  If I were an embedded
developer this would be highly disappointing/discouraging.   (I'm not.)
Personally I'm just curious what folks who eat and breathe licenses think
about this situation.

Unfortunately I'll send it to -laptop since I'm not subscribed to the
tidal-wave known as -devel.  ;-)

Maybe I'll cross-post to -user... hmm.  Okay.  Just this once.

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Re: smtp exim4

[John Thomas Langton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Thomas Langton) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I installed debian sarge, exim4, and qpopper recently, everything was
> great, as long as I login at the server mail works fine.  However as
> soon as I try to use a mail client from another machine, it doesn't
> work. It seems the server is not allowing smtp connections (or pop
> connections I guess though I've been focusing on smpt right now).  I'm
> not using tls or anything fancy, just trying to get the client to
> connect to do inhouse email.  Really simple...right?
> 
> I've poured over docs, googled my heart out, looked at /etc/services
> and inetd.conf, did a lot of trial and error, and have been looking at
> any related log in /var, to no avail.
> 
> If someone could at least point me in the right direction, i.e. how to
> enable smtp connections, what logs to focus on (exim's seem to be way
> to terse to be useful - maybe I can increase the logging level?), etc.
> 
> thanks, 
> John

I realized that I was flying through the exim4-config too fast to
realize a default had changed from previous versions (or maybe I just
forgot).  Doing
dpkg--reconfigure exim4-config  I saw the setting for listening for
smtp connections, and the default is 127.0.0.1 (or localhost).  You
can set that
to blank and it will listen for smtp connections on all public
interfaces, which is what I needed to do.  Now smtp connections work
fine.

Another setting is that to relay mail for machines on your lan so they
can go out through your exim4 and out to the realworld (i.e. you're
using a smarthost setup), then you need to set it up so you're
relaying for local machines...i.e.
192.168.1.0/24  in the setting when asked for what local machines
you're relaying for.

Sorry if this is vague but should be a good pointer for newbies, or
people like me who went too fast!

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Re: smtp exim4

[John Thomas Langton]

I realized that I was flying through the exim4-config too fast to
realize a default had changed from previous versions (or maybe I just
forgot).  Doing
dpkg--reconfigure exim4-config  I saw the setting for listening for
smtp connections, and the default is 127.0.0.1 (or localhost).  You
can set that
to blank and it will listen for smtp connections on all public
interfaces, which is what I needed to do.  Now smtp connections work
fine.

Another setting is that to relay mail for machines on your lan so they
can go out through your exim4 and out to the realworld (i.e. you're
using a smarthost setup), then you need to set it up so you're
relaying for local machines...i.e.
192.168.1.0/24  in the setting when asked for what local machines
you're relaying for.

Sorry if this is vague but should be a good pointer for newbies, or
people like me who went too fast!


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> I installed debian sarge, exim4, and qpopper recently, everything was
> great, as long as I login at the server mail works fine.  However as
> soon as I try to use a mail client from another machine, it doesn't
> work. It seems the server is not allowing smtp connections (or pop
> connections I guess though I've been focusing on smpt right now).  I'm
> not using tls or anything fancy, just trying to get the client to
> connect to do inhouse email.  Really simple...right?
> 
> I've poured over docs, googled my heart out, looked at /etc/services
> and inetd.conf, did a lot of trial and error, and have been looking at
> any related log in /var, to no avail.
> 
> If someone could at least point me in the right direction, i.e. how to
> enable smtp connections, what logs to focus on (exim's seem to be way
> to terse to be useful - maybe I can increase the logging level?), etc.
> 
> thanks, 
> John


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Re: [Debian-user] Woody to Sarge?

[Thomas Adam]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:52:22PM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:
> on a non-critical computer/server before using it on everything.

Heh.

> > > apt-get upgrade
> ^^^
> This step really isn't necessary, though. Everything in it and more gets
> covered in the next one.

That's where you're wrong. Although a dist-upgrade does imply an
'upgrade', it can still turn round and bite you on the arse. Hence,
the intermediary step is *always* advisable.

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Re: smtp exim4

[John Thomas Langton]

David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On Wednesday 11 August 2004 03:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
> > If someone could at least point me in the right direction, i.e. how to
> > enable smtp connections, what logs to focus on (exim's seem to be way
> > to terse to be useful - maybe I can increase the logging level?), etc.
> 
> Apparently, exim4 cannot read from other machine's servers. Use something like 
> fetchmail (easy to set up) to get mail from these servers onto "localhost" 
> and exim4 can move it to the appropriate "unix" mailbox.
> 
> Now ... I have a (dynamic) dns hostname. If I send email to that host, it goes 
> to "neverland". If my machine is turned off, then I will get an error about 
> undeliverable message. If my machine is on, no  error but no delivery either. 
> What am I missing?

O.k., so you misunderstood my question, though your "answer" is right.
 Fetchmail should be used for exim to get mail from another server, I
was talking about direct smtp connections.

as far as the dynamic dns hostname, not really sure what you mean.  Do
you mean you have a dynamic IP on the machien where your MTA resides? 
Still not sure that matters depending on your setup.  You've given
very little information...are you sending mail to  yourself, from
yourself, on this machine with the "dynamic dns"?  Usually if mail
isn't bouncing or getting anywhere its frozen inside exim because of
delivery errors.

What you can do is check the exim logs, for me they're in
/var/log/exim4
You can also use eximon to look at the message queue, or command line
options.  Try man exim4 (or whatever version you have). You can also
look at the docs
at www.exim.org and if nothing else, be much more specific about your
problem and google it.

good luck!

John


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Re: [Debian-user] Woody to Sarge?

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Thomas Adam:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:04:03PM +0530, Didar Hussain wrote:
> > Also, how long should I wait after Sarge goes Gold. Should
> > I just s/woody/sarge/g and do 
> 
> I recommend you use the names 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable' in
> sources.list, so that you don't have to change it for the codenames.
> Stable is *always* Stable, but woody != Sarge when things change.

What a trusting sort you are.  :-)  It's because there are people like
you that I can get away with using woody, sarge, and sid instead of
stable, testing, and unstable.  You're going to be doing my beta
testing for me.  Thank you very much!  :-)

> > apt-get update
> > apt-get upgrade
> > apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> Basically, yes.
> 
> > Or would a fresh install from a netinstaller be more advisable?
> 
> This isn't windows.

... nor Redhat, SuSE, Slackware, or Mandrake.

To the OP: if you like the idea of waiting for kind people like Thomas
to test this stuff out before you try it, first "woody" then "sarge"
is what you want.  If you'd like to become one of my beta testers,
"stable", "testing", or "unstable" (pick one) is what you want.

Thanks again Thomas.  :-)


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Re: [Debian-user] Woody to Sarge?

[Brian Nelson]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:40:33PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:04:03PM +0530, Didar Hussain wrote:
> > Also, how long should I wait after Sarge goes Gold. Should
> > I just s/woody/sarge/g and do 
> 
> I recommend you use the names 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable' in
> sources.list, so that you don't have to change it for the codenames.
> Stable is *always* Stable, but woody != Sarge when things change.

I strongly recommend against that (except for unstable since it doesn't
matter).  Upgrades between stable distributions absolutely require
manual attention, and shouldn't be performed until the admin intends to
make the full upgrade.

Sticking with 'testing' after a release is just stupid.  Just stay with
the codename when it becomes stable.  Later, you can upgrade again to
the next codenamed testing when it's back in shape for the next release.

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3ware woes

[Stephen Tait]

At long last, we've finally got a RAID card for the office file server!
It's a lovely 3ware 9000 series with 8 SATA ports, and looks very lovely 
indeed. But I can't get it working for the life of me.

I use two 3ware 8000's at home (one under Debian, one under Gentoo), and 
have had zero problems with them. The old boot floppies netinst image 
worked fine, allowing me to install straight onto the RAID array. But the 
9000 card in the office server doesn't seem to want to be recognised; I've 
tried the old Debian boot floppies (via the LordSutch netinst image), the 
RC1 of the new Debian installer (which is one of the best installers I've 
ever seen, I imagine something along the line of mad props are due) and the 
x86 Gentoo 2004.2 LiveCD. None of them seem to be able to support the 3ware 
out of the box; most promising was the new installer which detected the 
3ware fine, but the modprobe failed (both automatic and manual modprobing 
3w- from the shell) under both expert24 and expert26. I was under the 
impression that the 3ware drivers for the 9000's had been out for a while, 
so I imagined they'd have made their way into the kernels by now.

The card is in the machine at the moment (running 2.4.19 on woody), and 
lspci shows it up as an unknown device:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]: Unknown device 700c (rev 11)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]: Unknown device 700d
00:07.0 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-765 [Viper] ISA (rev 02)
00:07.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-765 [Viper] IDE 
(rev 01)
00:07.3 Bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-765 [Viper] ACPI (rev 01)
00:07.4 USB Controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-765 [Viper] USB 
(rev 07)
00:0a.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc: Unknown device 1002
00:0c.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. OHCI Compliant IEEE 
1394 Host Controller (rev 43)
00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX [Fast Etherlink] 
(rev 6c)
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL AGP (rev 27)

The mobo is a Tyan S2460 with two 2000 MP's and 512MB of ECC, and has 
proved solid as a rock. The 3ware is sitting in the third PCI-X (64bit, 
33MHz) slot, and isn't (meant to be) sharing any IRQ's AFAICT (PCI-X is 
separate from the PCI bus).

Does anyone else have experience installing onto a 3ware 9000? Am I going 
to have to roll my own install, or create my own 3w-[9|x]xxx module to load 
at boot? Or is my card just b0rked?

Many thanks to anyone who can help me on this.
Cheers!
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Re: smtp exim4 qpopper

[John Thomas Langton]

nevermind, it was a simple setup issue resolved by doing 
dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config andon the section where it asks
what to listen to incoming smtp requests on (the default is 127.0.0.1
which
means it will accept nothing but requests on that machine) I set it to
blank,
which means it accepts requests on all public interfaces.

in order to relay mail from machines on your lan if your using
smarthost, you're
also going to have to specify local machines you relay for in the
config script (you enter the ip addresses) which for me was simply
192.168.1.0/24  you can
change the octet for whatever your lan uses

hope this at least points some people in the right direction 

John

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Thomas Langton) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I've recently installed debian sarge, qpopper, and exim4 on my
> machine.  Haven't changed the defaults at all and mail works locally
> fine. However, if I try to connect with a client from a different
> machine, mail does not work.
> 
> If I telnet to my linux box from my linux box it connects just fine,
> but
> if I telnet to it from the aforementioned client it can't connect.  
> 
> I've poured over docs, the config files, logs in /var, looked at
> /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf, have done a lot of trial and error,
> and am stumped.
> 
> If someone could point me in the right direction I would greatly
> greatly appreciate it.
> 
> thanks, 
> John


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Re: Switching between KDE and Gnome - How?

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:46:17AM -0700, Stefan Nicolai O'Rear wrote:
> 
> You should have a file /etc/X11/default-display-manager. It contains the
> filename of the display manager (xdm/kdm/gdm/etc...). Changing it should
> work. (Me, I set it to /bin/false so I get a console login...)

I think I remember doing this with update-alternatives somehow.


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Re: embedded development vs. GPL (was: Re: Sarge Release?)

[Jacob S.]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:54:33 -0600 (MDT)
"Nate Duehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, August 11, 2004 5:58, James said:
> 
> > Let's face it, most of linux's problems are a result on not being
> > about to recruit a sufficient talent pool of low level embedded
> > developers. Most of those that do convert (after a convoluted
> > learning path) end up at a proprietary shop that puts linux on a
> > processor, and hides the key low level details.
> 
> I would add a note here, a recent discussion of licenses on an
> embedded microcontroller list that shall remain anonymous pointed out
> that the GPL(and more appropriately the LGPL)'s restrictions on static
> linking make it VERY difficult to develop for embedded processors
> using Linux and create a marketable product.

> I'm just repeating this summary comment from another mailing list as
> I'm curious how the Debianistas feel about this.


You mean like Actiontec did with their Dual-PC modem[1] where you can
download the GPL'd source code for the firmware[2]?

I thought it was a nice solution. The product works great and Linux
hackers can modify it to their heart's content.

[1]
http://www.actiontec.com/products/tech/modems/dual_pcmodem/dpm_overview.html
[2]
ftp://128.121.226.214/pub/dualpcmodem/actiontec_release_031017.tar.gz

Jacob

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Re: unresolved kernel symbols

[Tong]

Thanks Kevin for the reply.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:13:23 -0400, Kevin B. McCarty wrote:

>> I am experiencing unresolved kernel symbol problem
>> when compiling my pctel modem driver. 
>> 
>> The compilation and installation was ok. When trying
>> to load the module, I get:
>> 
>> % insmod -f pctel
>> Using /lib/modules/2.4.25-1-386/misc/pctel.o Warning:
>> The module you are
>> trying to load
>> (/lib/modules/2.4.25-1-386/misc/pctel.o) is compiled
>> with a
>> gcc version 2 compiler, while the kernel you are
>> running is compiled with
>> a gcc version 3 compiler. This is known to not work.
> 
> Is the claim of the error message true -- that you compiled the module
> with gcc-2.95?  This may have happened unintentionally if, for instance,
> /usr/bin/cc or /usr/bin/gcc was a symlink to gcc-2.95 on your system.
> If so, then the obvious fix is to make cc and gcc be symlinks to gcc-3.3
> (this should be the case by default in sarge and sid) and recompile.

Oh, I always get that compiler version warning for gcc3. 

I've double checked, seems that I only have gcc3 installed:

$ dpkg -l | grep gcc
ii  gcc3.3.4-2The GNU C compiler
ii  gcc-3.33.3.4-3The GNU C compiler
ii  gcc-3.3-base   3.3.4-3The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
ii  libgcc13.3.4-3GCC support library

$ cc --version
cc (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-3)

~$ gcc --version
gcc (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-3)

When I get those "unresolved kernel symbols" in RH, I need to "prepare
the kernel source" -- those "make xconfig" stuffs. Do I have to do the
same in Debian?  




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Re: [Debian-user] Woody to Sarge?

[Jacob S.]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:55:33 +0100
Thomas Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:52:22PM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:
>
> > > > apt-get upgrade
> > ^^^
> > This step really isn't necessary, though. Everything in it and more
> > gets covered in the next one.
> 
> That's where you're wrong. Although a dist-upgrade does imply an
> 'upgrade', it can still turn round and bite you on the arse. Hence,
> the intermediary step is *always* advisable.

Actually, I've tried it before. Doing an upgrade before a dist-upgrade
when I'm jumping between major releases like that has always either
upgraded nothing or caused problems for me. And I wasn't even using any
backports or apt-pinning.

Instead I use upgrade in conjunction with a few  install
commands to fix the packages that were held back, didn't upgrade
properly, or whatever else _after_ the dist-upgrade is complete.

Jacob

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problem to connect by ssh in graphic mode session

[vjimenez]

How i take control to my server with ssh in graphic mode, what command i
need to use?
my computer and my server used debian

thank you for all your help


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Re: smtp exim4

[John Thomas Langton]

David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On Wednesday 11 August 2004 03:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
> > If someone could at least point me in the right direction, i.e. how to
> > enable smtp connections, what logs to focus on (exim's seem to be way
> > to terse to be useful - maybe I can increase the logging level?), etc.
> 
> Apparently, exim4 cannot read from other machine's servers. Use something like 
> fetchmail (easy to set up) to get mail from these servers onto "localhost" 
> and exim4 can move it to the appropriate "unix" mailbox.
> 
> Now ... I have a (dynamic) dns hostname. If I send email to that host, it goes 
> to "neverland". If my machine is turned off, then I will get an error about 
> undeliverable message. If my machine is on, no  error but no delivery either. 
> What am I missing?

O.k., so you misunderstood my question, though your "answer" is right.
 Fetchmail should be used for exim to get mail from another server, I
was talking about direct smtp connections.

as far as the dynamic dns hostname, not really sure what you mean.  Do
you mean you have a dynamic IP on the machien where your MTA resides? 
Still not sure that matters depending on your setup.  You've given
very little information...are you sending mail to  yourself, from
yourself, on this machine with the "dynamic dns"?  Usually if mail
isn't bouncing or getting anywhere its frozen inside exim because of
delivery errors.

What you can do is check the exim logs, for me they're in
/var/log/exim4
You can also use eximon to look at the message queue, or command line
options.  Try man exim4 (or whatever version you have). You can also
look at the docs
at www.exim.org and if nothing else, be much more specific about your
problem and google it.

good luck!

John


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Re: My last post was 2 hours ago

[Tong]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:18:00 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 04:46:07PM -0700, Tong Sun wrote:
>> and I haven't seen it yet. 
> 
> This one spammed us just fine. ;) I suggest you resend your original
> post.

;-) tried and didn't work. This hit and miss game has driven me nuts. 
:-) I've applied another email address. So hopefully the game is over, and
so are my "spams". :-)




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Re: smtp exim4 qpopper

[John Thomas Langton]

nevermind, it was a simple setup issue resolved by doing 
dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config andon the section where it asks
what to listen to incoming smtp requests on (the default is 127.0.0.1
which
means it will accept nothing but requests on that machine) I set it to
blank,
which means it accepts requests on all public interfaces.

in order to relay mail from machines on your lan if your using
smarthost, you're
also going to have to specify local machines you relay for in the
config script (you enter the ip addresses) which for me was simply
192.168.1.0/24  you can
change the octet for whatever your lan uses

hope this at least points some people in the right direction 

John

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Thomas Langton) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I've recently installed debian sarge, qpopper, and exim4 on my
> machine.  Haven't changed the defaults at all and mail works locally
> fine. However, if I try to connect with a client from a different
> machine, mail does not work.
> 
> If I telnet to my linux box from my linux box it connects just fine,
> but
> if I telnet to it from the aforementioned client it can't connect.  
> 
> I've poured over docs, the config files, logs in /var, looked at
> /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf, have done a lot of trial and error,
> and am stumped.
> 
> If someone could point me in the right direction I would greatly
> greatly appreciate it.
> 
> thanks, 
> John


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Re: Sarge not printing

[Tong]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:56:27 -0300, Filipi Vianna wrote:

>> so it was working at one point?
> I'm changing from slackware to debian. And when I was using
> slackware those procedures had always worked.
> And the apsfilter test page does print perfectly, from apsfilter SETUP.
> 
>> what does lpq say?
> Nothing. Simply doesn't print, and act as the job was done.

Filipi, are you using cups as printer driver? 



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Re: modem/isapnp trouble SOLVED

[Ross Boylan]

I solved this by deactivating my script that was attempting to set the
isapnp manually.  The modem did end up at ttyS0 (vs the old ttyS2), so
I adjusted /etc/ppp/peers/provider accordingly.

Interestingly, my soundcard (isapnp Soundblaster) also seems to have
ended up using new resources; at least the resources shown by
/proc/isapnp no longer match those in /etc/alsa/modutils/1.0.  But it
still works!  I think I saw some messages fly by that my settings were
being ignored.

I was never clear on whether specifying IO, IRQ, etc was necessary or
a good idea for ALSA, since it claimed to be PnP.  I think at one
point it was necessary, but it seems it no longer is.

The other tidbit I uncovered is that /proc/interrupts only shows
interrupts in use.  So if a driver is inactive, the interrupt may be
"reserved" but not show up on /proc/interrupts.  Apparently the driver
needs to be in active use, not just loaded (but perhaps this is
because it gets unloaded if not in use?).

On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 01:20:04PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
> I am unable to activate my dial-up modem since I rebooted yesterday,
> August 9.  I have changed neither my hardware, BIOS, kernel, or boot
> procedure since my last successful boot on July 26.  I have updated my
> software reflecting changes in testing since then.
> 
> I have tried several things to diagnose and solve the problem, so far
> without result.  If anyone could offer me any guidance, I'd be be very
> grateful.
> 
> On the same machine, the modem works under Windows 98 but Win2k can't
> connect to it.  It used to work under all systems.
> 
> Running on Intel PC style hardware, Athlon CPU, Gigabyte 7IXE4 Rev 1.0
> motherboard, AMIBIOS F9d, USRobotics internal ISA PNP modem.  The
> first COM port is disabled in BIOS.  There is a general shortage of
> interrupts.  Soundblaster card also ISAPNP.  I use devfs and evms.  I
> think I have my BIOS set for non-PNP OS.
> 
> The immediate symptom of the problem was that /dev/ttyS2 disappeared.
> On boot serial driver 5.05c shows
> July 26   now  
> ttyS01   ttyS01  0x02f8  IRQ 3
> ttyS02   ttyS00  0x03e8  IRQ 5
> i.e., ttyS02 seems to have become ttyS00.  However, changing
> /etc/ppp/peers/provider to use /dev/ttyS0 instead of /dev/ttyS2 does
> not help:
> 
> Aug 10 10:42:44 wheat pppd[3869]: pppd 2.4.2 started by ross, uid 1000
> Aug 10 10:42:45 wheat chat[3870]: Can't get terminal parameters:
> Input/output error
> Aug 10 10:42:45 wheat pppd[3869]: Connect script failed
> Aug 10 10:42:46 wheat pppd[3869]: Exit.
> 
> My main suspicion centers on trouble with isapnp.  Other candidates
> include devfs, changes in the system initialization procedure from
> software upgrades, a crash induced change in the hardware, and random
> drift in the pnp settings.
> 
> I'll take these in turn.
> 
> ISAPNP
> 
> 
> On closer inspection, it seemed that the soundcard had grabbed the IRQ
> $ cat /proc/interrupts
>CPU0
>   0: 458829  XT-PIC  timer
>   1:   3634  XT-PIC  keyboard
>   2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade
>   3:  0  XT-PIC  serial
>   5: 99  XT-PIC  SoundBlaster
>   8:  1  XT-PIC  rtc
>  11:390  XT-PIC  usb-ohci, eth0
>  12:  19545  XT-PIC  PS/2 Mouse
>  14:  48819  XT-PIC  ide0
>  15: 371190  XT-PIC  ide1
> NMI:  0
> LOC: 458835
> ERR: 96
> I tried disabling the soundcard via isapnp.  Doing this before setting
> the modem, and then enabling the soundcard, had  no effect.  Disabling
> it entirely caused system initialization to hang at "enabling ALSA
> settings".  Fortunately, single user mode still started.
> 
> However, the information on the IRQ of the modem is inconsistent:
> # cat /proc/tty/driver/serial
> serinfo:1.0 driver:5.05c revision:2001-07-08
> 0: uart:16550A port:3F8 irq:4 tx:0 rx:0 CTS|DSR|CD|RI
> 1: uart:16550A port:2F8 irq:3 baud:2400 tx:0 rx:0 RTS
> 
> That's IRQ 4, despite the fact that I have a startup script, executing
> after the standard S15isapnp (at S25), that cat's the following to
> /proc/isapnp:
> card 0 USR3070
> dev 0 USR3070
> irq 0 5
> port 0 0x03e8
> activate
> card 0 CTL00e4
> dev 0 CTL0045
> activate
> dev 0 CTL7002
> deactivate
> dev 0 CTL0022
> activate
> 
> Note the irq 0 5, i.e., set the modem to use IRQ 5.
> 
> Further, cat /proc/isapnp shows the modem is at IRQ 5, along with the
> soundcard (I have edited out some of the supplementary info):
> Card 1 'CTL00e4:Creative SB AWE64  PnP' PnP version 1.0 Product version
> 1.0
>   Logical device 0 'CTL0045:Audio'
> Device is active
> Active port 0x220,0x330,0x388
> Active IRQ 5 [0x2]
> Active DMA 1,5
> Resources 0
>   Priority preferred
>   Port 0x220-0x220, align 0x0, size 0x10, 16-bit address decoding
>   Port 0x330-0x330, align 0x0, size 0x2, 16-bit address decoding
>   Port 0x388-0x3f8, align 0x0, size 0x4, 16-bit address decoding
>   IRQ 5 High-Edge

Re: I hate it when that happens...

[Joris Huizer]

John L Fjellstad wrote:
John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

help set

Interesting.  I've used linux for almost ten years now, and never
actually realized that there is a help command...  Actually tried man
set earlier (before man bash)...
Always learning something new...
It's built in in - at least in bash ;)
HTH,
Joris
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Re: Piped package list

[Tong]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:42:10 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:

>> I seem to recall seeing once that one of the package
>> tools (dpkg, apt, or another, I don't remember) could
>> save a package list that could later be piped as input
>> to return a system to an identical list of packages
>> with one command.  Am I crazy, and if not, how is this
>> done?
> 
> One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian 
> machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the  command 
> "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base 
> install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg 
> --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade".

The dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections is a great way to save the
energy that you've spent. Yet it is not enough. 

Go to the List-Archive http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ and follow the
recent thread of "Configuration DB", if you want to save more of your
energy.

Subject: Configuration DB
Date:Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:20:53 -0400

tong




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Re: [Solved] Switching between KDE and Gnome - How?

[Paul E Condon]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:13:38AM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:46:17AM -0700, Stefan Nicolai O'Rear wrote:
> > 
> > You should have a file /etc/X11/default-display-manager. It contains the
> > filename of the display manager (xdm/kdm/gdm/etc...). Changing it should
> > work. (Me, I set it to /bin/false so I get a console login...)
> 
> I think I remember doing this with update-alternatives somehow.
> 

[Solved] Thanks, all, for trying to help, but my question was too dumb
for you to see the answer. I stumbled on the solution today. I want to
switch *desktop*, not *display managers*. To do that I pull down a
menu in the login window of the display manager that I am using,
whichever one, and select either KDE or Gnome, just prior to login.
I'd put a red-faced smiley here, if I weren't using text only MUA.

Thanks

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Re: Sarge not printing

[Filipi Vianna]

Filipi, are you using cups as printer driver? 
No.
Why?
When I use ghostscript and lpd the cups is not
necessary. I guess...
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Re: Sarge not printing

[Curt]

Filipi Vianna  em.pucrs.br> writes:

> I'm using a Linux box with sarge, with the following characteristics:
> lpr - BSD lpr/lpd
> gs-esp - Ghostscript
> apsfilter
> a2ps
 
> Everything were set up the same way I always did.
> The apsfilter test works fine, the test page was printed.
 
> I did restart the daemon
> /etc/init.d/lpd stop
> /etc/init.d/lpd start
 
> But when I try to print with lpr or enscript (like I always did),
> and nothing happen.



Nothings happens, because ghostscript bombs out before anything _can_ happen.

I was in the same boat, with the same oars, as it were.  

I couldn't fix it.

"Error: /undefined in ^Ountdictstack", to quote /var/spool/lpd/my_printer/log.

Actually, I could print pdfs from gv -- finito, period.

I gave up; I issued an "apt-get cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client
cupsys-driver-gimpprint" and everything seems to have returned to the state of
hunky-dory for my epson C82, where it belongs.

I wanted to let you know that you are not alone.  The knowledge of a shared
experience is generally comforting to alcoholics, neurotics, wife beaters,
beaten wives, drug addicts, the obese, the unhappy and computer enthusiasts
before the inexplicably broken. 


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Re: gcc error - solved

[Martin Wegmann]

Hi, 

On Wednesday 11 August 2004 17:49, Florian Ernst wrote:
[]
>
> Hm, sounds like  and
>  should tell more, despite the
> different version. So if your system is more "unstable" than
> "testing" try updating binutils.

thanks, that solved the problem and now back to testing  ,-) Martin


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Re: Configuration DB

[Jason Rennie]

On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 02:09:08AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> The debconf database is nothing more than a temporary cache of answers
> gotten from the user.  Debconf will regenerate this data by asking any
> questions it needs to.

If the Debian designers had this attitude, everything would go into
/var/cache:

  What, you want to run oowriter?  Oops, just deleted that from my
  cache.  Downloading openoffice.org-bin.deb from www.debian.org.
  Please wait.

Jason


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Re: My last post was 2 hours ago

[Philippe Marzouk]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 02:31:39PM -0400, Tong wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:18:00 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 04:46:07PM -0700, Tong Sun wrote:
> >> and I haven't seen it yet. 
> > 
> > This one spammed us just fine. ;) I suggest you resend your original
> > post.
> 
> ;-) tried and didn't work. This hit and miss game has driven me nuts. 
> :-) I've applied another email address. So hopefully the game is over, and
> so are my "spams". :-)
> 

You should also subscribe your posting address to debian-whitelist to
avoid some tests and delays.

Philippe


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installing ndiswrapper module for 2.6.7-1-686

[Brian Samek]

Using ndiswrapper for a wireless card with a windows driver on debian requires 
two steps.
1. installing the ndiswrapper tools
2. installing the ndiswrapper module
Unfortunately, there is no source package for the 2.6.7-1-686 kernel that is 
automatically installed if the 2.6 option is selected with the new sarge 
installer.  I tired compiling with the standard 2.6.7 source.  This caused 
the ndiswrapper.ko module file to be placed in /lib/modules/2.6.7/misc, and 
it does not work with 2.6.7-1-686.

It appears that I must rebuild my kernel.  However, before I do this, I'd like 
to know if there are any other options.
1. What is the 2.6.7-1-686 header files package for?
2. Is there a way I can get the source for the 2.6.7-1-686?
3. Is there a way to compile ndiswrapper for my current kernel despite not 
having access to the source?

Thanks
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Re: Configuration DB

[Jason Rennie]

On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 08:05:53PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 12:51:23PM +1000, Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> > It is not enough to simply backup /etc, as some packages automatically
> > generate config files from the debconf info (xfree86 being one).
> 
> Any package that overwrites your changes to config files and/or uses
> debconf as a registry is seriously buggy.

Seems like there's still an important question left unanswered.  We've
discussed how to duplicate installed packages.  We've discussed how to
dupliate debconf configuration.  But, as Cameron points out, some
packages need configuration files that are to be generated from the
debconf database.  dexconf does this for XFree86.  In general, how
does one know what utility/utilities to run in order to generate all
the configuration files?  Is the configuration-file-generating-utility
for each package specified in the debconf DB?

Jason


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Networking not working after dist-upgrade

[Jason D. Berg]

I just ran `apt-get dist-upgrade` after about a month of not updating my 
system. Everything went fine until a reboot when my networking stopped 
working. My wireless networking card got switched from eth1 to eth2 and 
eth2 got switched to eth1. No biggy, I thought. I just ran ifup eth2 and 
got my dhcp request taken care of. But it still does not access the 
network. Whether i'm hardwired in or not, I cannot get anywhere. It 
doesn't tell me that the network is unavailable, everything just stalls. 
I run a ping and it just sits there foreverany ideas?

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Re: Networking not working after dist-upgrade

[Patrick Donker]

Jason D. Berg wrote:
I just ran `apt-get dist-upgrade` after about a month of not updating my 
system. Everything went fine until a reboot when my networking stopped 
working. My wireless networking card got switched from eth1 to eth2 and 
eth2 got switched to eth1. No biggy, I thought. I just ran ifup eth2 and 
got my dhcp request taken care of. But it still does not access the 
network. Whether i'm hardwired in or not, I cannot get anywhere. It 
doesn't tell me that the network is unavailable, everything just stalls. 
I run a ping and it just sits there foreverany ideas?


iptables rules changed or firewall installed without noticing?
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Re: my Testing installation enters an endless reboot loop

[Michael Doyle]

On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:31, Joey Hess wrote:
> Michael Doyle wrote:
> > Beginning sometime in the past week, something has changed in Testing so
> > that my installations flip out and reboot themselves within ~ 1 minute
> > of booting. If I run the current RC 1 installer,the base installation
> > enters the reboot loop upon booting for the first time. If I run the
> > beta 4 installer, the machine works just peachy until I run tasksel and
> > install desktop environment and print server tasks - I run my installs
> > over night and can't take the bandwidth to narrow it more than that
> > right now - and I won't have the time to narrow it down manually until
> > at least Thursday.
> > 
> > The machines on which I've encountered this issure are Tangent systems
> > using a Micro-Star MS-6743 v1.x board, based on an Intel
> > Springdale-865G/865PE chipset.
> > 
> > Has anyone else experienced this issue? I can't report this as a bug
> > until I have time to track down the package(s) behind the problem.
> 
> This is probably due to new, broken versions of hotplug that load
> useless and dangerous modules such as hardware watchdog drivers. Try
> adding i810-tco to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or upgrading to hotplug
> 0.0.20040329-14. See bugs #264552 and #263556.
Adding i810-tco to /etc/hotplug/blacklist did indeed allow me to use the
installed base OS; I'll be installing a full system tonight.

Thanks.


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[OT] sysadmin job in SF Bay Area

[Vineet Kumar]

Hey everyone,

I apologize for this OT message, but this may be of interest to many
readers of this list.  My company (http://www.wavemarket.com/) is
looking to hire a sysadmin in Emeryville, CA (SF Bay Area).  I've
recently been advocating a migration from old redhat to Debian, and
hiring a similarly-minded sys admin would go a long way in the right
direction.  You can see the posting here:

http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/sad/37023037.html
http://www.wavemarket.com/careers.html

Please respond to the ads above (not this mail), using the address(es)
mentioned therein.  Feel free to also drop me a note on my personal
email address, so I can move those deb-head resumes to the top of the
stack.

Again, I apologize to the many readers of this list to whom this message
is irrelevant.  I just hope to help out the Debian community, and I know
that this list counts among its readership many knowledgeable people who
could do the position well.

good times,
Vineet
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LUGs in Nova Scotia?

[Michael D. Crawford]

Are there any Linux User Groups in Nova Scotia, Canada?
I'm in Truro, but I'd be surprised if there was one here.  I often go to 
Halifax though, which is a big enough city that I'd expect there to be a LUG there.

Thanks!
Mike
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mysql : cannot login with other users than root

[george roman]

hi, i have some troubles with my mysql-server. i cannot login with other 
users than root. this is the error

camin9:/home/george# mysql -u dan -p
Enter password:
ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (Using password: YES)
i've try to add this user with phpMyAdmin and also from command line 
from mysql.

with the root user i connect with success and i can make anny command.
i gues the problem resides on a file permision for reading or somethinf. 
but at the moment i do not know where should i look

please help.
PS this is the only normal user i have on my server.
i use debian woody
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Replacing an ethernet card

[diego]

I have a box in production that gives some problems with the ethernet
card it has installed because of its driver is not fully supported... so
I want to have it replaced with a different model, but I really can NOT
afford having it unavailable too much time, so  the question is:

Which files should I backup before it all, so that if hardware
autodetection or manual configuration fails I can leave everything
related to the network as before?

Thanks in advance


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