Re: Menus not updating

2002-05-26 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 26-May-2002 Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 07:41:08PM +0100, Martin Rowe wrote:
> 
>> I've recently installed Debian sid on my kids' box and it's running fine, 
>> except that the menus (in Blackbox) don't get updated after an apt-get 
>> install or dist-upgrade. A manual update-menus does the trick, but I'm 
>> wondering what is missing for it not to happen automagically. It runs 
>> fine on the other sid boxes I run.
> 
> Some package maintainers have not been adding entries for the menu
> package to deal with like they used to.  Even more frustratingly, some
> maintainers will claim they added entries, but when you grab the version
> the maintainer claims they're in, they aren't there!  (As happened with
> my bug report for the tin package which I should reopen)
> 
> I consider this a grave bug for newbies making the transition.
> 

any package not supporting menu when it should (ie. almost any X app) is
violating policy.


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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 22:29, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> > It's not a "bizarre" superiority complex.  May not be valid,
> > but certainly not "bizarre".  I can list 1,000 US accomplish-
> > ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't
[snip]
> > have starved you all into submission...)
> 
> As much as US action was admirable during World War II, I've noticed
> that pretty much every American accomplishment mentioned in casual
> conversation is extremely violent, and yet Americans still refer to

Transistors, ICs, microprocessors, nylon, space exploration,
heavier-than-air flight, hard disks and lasers all seem pretty
non-violent to me...  Television, tape recording and the VCR 
are also accomplishments, but I'd rather not brag about them...

> America as a peace-loving nation.  Rght.  Even the 1960s with

_I_ never said we were/are peace-loving.  It's a nice dream, but
our country was born in revolution and continental conquest.
The apathetic peasants stayed in the Old World.  The Hungry 
came over here.

[snip]
> home and abroad.  And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd
> to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. 

  You aren't talking about Kent State are you?

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Trouble-shooting apache-perl

2002-05-26 Thread Ian D. Stewart

So,

I recently upgraded apache to apache-perl, and am trying to get to the 
point where I can start experimenting with HTML::Mason.  I've created 
an httpd.conf by starting with the file /etc/apache/httpd.conf and 
making changes as recomended in the mod_perl Guide[1].  I've also found 
a test script under /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod_perl/examples to test 
the configuration.  However, each time I try to execute this test 
script, Galeon tries to download the script itself, instead of the 
script's output.  According to the mod_perl Guide, this is the sort of 
behaviour that the ExecCGI option is designed to avoid[2].  I've looked 
over my httpd.conf and confirmed that Options ExecCGI is set for 
Location /perl.


Does anyone have any ideas for trouble-shooting this, to:

1) ensure the proper httpd.conf is being loaded
2) Apache is using the right directory for the /perl Location
3) Ensure that ExecCGI options are being properly set


Thanx,
Ian

1) http://perl.apache.org/guide
2) http://perl.apache.org/guide/config.html#_Location_Configuration


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Re: newbie: Set and read time

2002-05-26 Thread Florentin Ionescu
Either ntdate or rdate are your friends - the HOWTO explain
haw to use them.


On Sat, 25 May 2002, Peter Holm wrote :

» Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 14:14:45 +0200
» From: Peter Holm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
» To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
» Subject: newbie: Set and read time
» Resent-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 05:19:47 -0700
» Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
»
» Hi how do i set the clock and read the same ?
»
» /ph


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Re: Menus not updating

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 09:59:45PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:

> any package not supporting menu when it should (ie. almost any X app) is
> violating policy.

The X apps do have this.  Console apps that previously did have menu
entries are slowly dropping them for whatever reason, despite the fact
that it would be reasonable to spawn an xterm and start it there. 
Examples off the top of my head on this one are mutt and tin.

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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

> > home and abroad.  And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd
> > to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. 
> 
>   You aren't talking about Kent State are you?

I think that's where it was, I couldn't remember the name.  It wasn't
taught in school, strangely enough.  I heard about it elsewhere.

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accessibility

2002-05-26 Thread Dennis Heuer
Hi!

Does somebody know a project that develops kind of accessibility4linux
for the support of specific hardware for disabled people?

dennis



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solved: Set and read time

2002-05-26 Thread Peter Holm
It was fairly easy when i understood the format of the time string.

date -s "2002-05-26 15:00"

As i've got many answers which suggests pulling the time from NTP-servers i
must add (which i forgot in the original post) that i needed to set the time
in a standalone application. Just a few industrial PC:s will be hooked up in
a small network all using the eth0-ports. Now there is an eth1-port as well,
which i'll use to hook up network cameras. one camera per computer. It is
very important that the camera clock and the computers clock are
syncronized. So therefore i have set up a NTP server in the computer for the
camera to sync with.

Thanx for your help.






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newbie: Networking

2002-05-26 Thread Peter Holm



Hello.
 
I will use two small industrial PC:s in an 
application. The computers has both two ethernet ports. eth0 and eth1. I got 
problems when i configured them in /etc/network/interfaces. My first config was 
to set up both eth0 and eth1 on the same network: 10.0.0.0 at IP:s 10.0.0.50 and 
10.0.0.51 for the first computer and 10.0.0.60 and 10.0.0.61 for the second 
one.
 
My problem seemed to be that the traffic was routed 
thru eth0 or eth1 randomly after every reboot. As i'm going to hook up work 
cameras to eth1 on both computers i must somehow configure the interfaces 
differently to be able to establish any contact with the cameras.
 
Therefore i set up /etc/network/interfaces to let 
eth1 use a completly different network, which will guaretee me the traffic 
between the camera and the computer uses eth1 and not eth0. Lets say i use the 
192.168.0.0 network for the camera - computer comms. and the 10.0.0.0 network 
for the computer - computer comms.
 
Now, as the camera has a built in webserver for 
configuration. It must be accessible from the 10.0.0.0 network as well. I guess 
that meens i have to route traffic from the 10.0.0.0 network to the 192.168.0.0 
network and here is where my knowledge betrays me.
 
I hope you understand what my problem is, beeing a 
swedish guy trying to describe my problems in english isn't very easy, 
especially when it comes to technical english.
 
best regards Peterh.


HP 4100C USB scanner

2002-05-26 Thread Alan Davis
I just bought this scanner, good price, and it works erratically.  There are 
many issues.  I have gotten it to be identified on two machines running sid.  
Sane is not happy to deal with it, but it can be done.  I should not post about 
this on this list, but can someone please contact me off the list (if 
appropriate) to discuss this scanner?  Someone, I hope, who has it running.

Issues:
   OHCI vs UHCI?  Is there an issue?
   Hangs or timeouts?
   If the system sets hardware, then how to get it reset?
   Does one need some parameters for the modules?
   
By the way, is it easy to fry a scanner w/ software?  I fried my Microtek E6, 
and I suspectee it was an issue with the SCSI drivers in the kernel.  

Debian has come far, for sure, in the past few years.  Thank you to everyone 
who has made it what it is today...

Alan Davis
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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Glyn Millington
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> It's not a "bizarre" superiority complex.  May not be valid,
>> but certainly not "bizarre".  I can list 1,000 US accomplish-
>> ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't
>> not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now speaking German.  (Yes,

Oh dear.

Look, beer is one thing, but this..

Why not start an   alt.religion.debian group somewhere?  Quick,
before its too late.

Just a thought

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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Craig Dickson
begin  Craig Dickson  quotation:

> (Hah. NOW we'll have a flamewar.)

Look, guys, it was a JOKE. J - O - K - E. JOKE. Not meant to be taken
seriously.

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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 00:41, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> > > home and abroad.  And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd
> > > to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. 
> > 
> >   You aren't talking about Kent State are you?
> 
> I think that's where it was, I couldn't remember the name.  It wasn't
> taught in school, strangely enough.  I heard about it elsewhere.

Sorry, no helicopters at the "Kent State Massacre".  No 
"peaceful" anti-war protest either.

In the days preceding the "incident", there was drunken 
vandalism and the ROTC building was torched.

http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~paulsjo/KentState.html/

Note: ROTC [Reserve Officer Training Corps] is for college 
students who know they want to join the armed forces, but do 
not go to a Service Academy.

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Re: newbie: Networking

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 01:31, Peter Holm wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> I will use two small industrial PC:s in an application. 
> The computers has both two ethernet ports. eth0 and eth1. 
> I got problems when i configured them in /etc/network/interfaces. 
> My first config was to set up both eth0 and eth1 on the same 
> network: 10.0.0.0 at IP:s 10.0.0.50 and 10.0.0.51 for the first
> computer and 10.0.0.60 and 10.0.0.61 for the second one.
> 
> My problem seemed to be that the traffic was routed thru eth0 
> or eth1 randomly after every reboot. As i'm going to hook up 
> work cameras to eth1 on both computers i must somehow configure 
> the interfaces differently to be able to establish any contact 
> with the cameras.
> 
> Therefore i set up /etc/network/interfaces to let eth1 use 
> a completly different network, which will guaretee me the 
> traffic between the camera and the computer uses eth1 and 
> not eth0. Lets say i use the 192.168.0.0 network for the 
> camera - computer comms. and the 10.0.0.0 network for the 
> computer - computer comms.
> 
> Now, as the camera has a built in webserver for configuration. 
> It must be accessible from the 10.0.0.0 network as well. I 
> guess that meens i have to route traffic from the 10.0.0.0 
> network to the 192.168.0.0 network and here is where my knowledge
>  betrays me.
> 
> I hope you understand what my problem is, beeing a swedish guy 
> trying to describe my problems in english isn't very easy, 
> especially when it comes to technical english.

How about 
eth0eth1
box1:   10.0.1.110.0.0.1
box2:   10.0.1.210.0.0.2
camera1:10.0.0.3
camera2:10.0.0.4

Each interface would have a netmask of 255.255.255.0, and you
could, then, plug the 2 cameras, and the 2 eth1 interfaces into
a hub/switch.  This way, you could have a little 4 node network
since both cameras would also be on the 10.0.0.* network.  And,
both box1 and box2 could view the output from camera1 and camera2.

Both eth0 NICs could be plugged into a 2nd hub/switch,
and then head to the "main" network.

Any video that you wanted sent out to the main network would
easily be gatewayed from eth1 thru eth0.

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Re: Netiquette: crossposting, followup-to (was Re: 1:1 mirror for an entire hd)

2002-05-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Cheryl Homiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.26.0043 +0200]:
> I don't use mutt, so I don't know about follow-up-to (though am
> considering mutt). However, I do know that i have to be careful when
> replying to messages from this list. the default behavior when
> I reply to this list, but not to most of my lists, is for the
> message usually to be sent to the person rather than the list. If
> I say "yes' to "reply to all recipients" the list ends up being the
> cc. So if you get back a reply just to you instead of the entire
> list, or if you get two copies of a message, one directly to you and
> one to the list, it isn't necessarily because the person
> deliberately put your address in.

with mutt it's nice. if you have $followup_to set, then mutt will
compare the To: address to all lists you told it about with $lists and
$subscribe. a $lists entry is a mailing list which you know of, but
which you haven't subscribed, so Mail-Followup-To will include your
address so you receive replies. a $subscribe'd mailing list (one that
mutt knows about through a $subscribe statement) causes
Mail-Followup-To to only include the list address.

if you also have $honor_followup_to set, then you have three keys in
mutt:

  r - replies to the author only
  g - replies to the author and the list
  L - replies to the list only iff you know about the list ($lists
& $subscribe, and the author hasn't included his addy in the MFT
header).

what else do you want? if you also have all your lists procmail'd to
a subfilder (like i read this list in =lists/debian/user), then set
this

folder-hook . "bind index g group-reply ; bind pager g group-reply"
folder-hook lists "bind index g list-reply ; bind pager g list-reply"

and forget about L. just hit g, and it'll do everything automatically.

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which package provides?

2002-05-26 Thread Dave Price
Hello,

Which package provides the netdate command?

More generally, is there a command that can be run on a system to tell
me what package installed a perticular file?

aloha,
dave


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Re: Netiquette: crossposting, followup-to (was Re: 1:1 mirror for an entire hd)

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 09:49:18AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:

> what else do you want? if you also have all your lists procmail'd to
> a subfilder (like i read this list in =lists/debian/user), then set
> this

Is there a way to jump back over to the spool file without having to
type it out longhand or make a symlink someplace handy?

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Re: which package provides?

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 02:10:36AM -0600, Dave Price wrote:

> More generally, is there a command that can be run on a system to tell
> me what package installed a perticular file?

dpkg -S  should give it to you.

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Re: which package provides?

2002-05-26 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 26-May-2002 Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 02:10:36AM -0600, Dave Price wrote:
> 
>> More generally, is there a command that can be run on a system to tell
>> me what package installed a perticular file?
> 
> dpkg -S  should give it to you.
> 

if you have a file on your system and want to know where it came from dpkg -S
usually helps.  If the file is a generated file (created by a program or during
package install) no part of the system can help you.

If later on down the road you need to know what package to install for a
particular file there is a package 'auto-apt' which has a very nice search
capability.


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non-gui battery app?

2002-05-26 Thread Dave Price
Hi,

anyone know of a battery status program that is not GUI-based?

aloha,
dave


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bringing up multiple pc-card interfaces

2002-05-26 Thread Dave Price
Hi,

I am setting up an ancient laptop as a firewall system.

It work, except that on boot the system trys to start the network before
the cardservices are ready.

I have the configurations of eth0 and eth1 in /etc/interfaces as static.

Even after the cards are recognized, using ifconfig eth0 up, etc does no
seem to set the interface(s) up right ... so far, poping the cards out
an in appears to be the only reliable? way to get them to set up.

I would like to have card services start _very_ early in the boot
sequence, then have the two cards (xirc2ps_cs and pcnet_cs, both
modules) loaded and assigned to the correct interfaces automatically.

Is there a correct (debian) way to do this?

aloha,
dave


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Re: bringing up multiple pc-card interfaces

2002-05-26 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 26-May-2002 Dave Price wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am setting up an ancient laptop as a firewall system.
> 
> It work, except that on boot the system trys to start the network before
> the cardservices are ready.
> 
> I have the configurations of eth0 and eth1 in /etc/interfaces as static.
> 
> Even after the cards are recognized, using ifconfig eth0 up, etc does no
> seem to set the interface(s) up right ... so far, poping the cards out
> an in appears to be the only reliable? way to get them to set up.
> 
> I would like to have card services start _very_ early in the boot
> sequence, then have the two cards (xirc2ps_cs and pcnet_cs, both
> modules) loaded and assigned to the correct interfaces automatically.
> 
> Is there a correct (debian) way to do this?
> 
> aloha,
> dave
> 
> 
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this is my /etc/pcmcia/network.opts

# Note: the "network address" here is NOT the same as the IP address.
# See the Networking HOWTO.  In short, the network address is the IP
# address masked by the netmask.
#
case "$ADDRESS" in
*,*,*,*)
;;
esac

# This tries to use Debian's network setup in /etc/network/interfaces
# if no settings are given higher up in this file.  You can delete it
# if that isn't desired.

is_true $PUMP || is_true $BOOTP || is_true $DHCP || is_true $DHCLIENT || \
if [ ! "$IPADDR" -a -f /etc/network/interfaces ] ; then
INFO="Debian network setup"
start_fn () {
log /sbin/ifup $1
}
stop_fn () {
log /sbin/ifdown $1
}
fi

all of the work is done in /etc/network/interfaces.

I moved a lot of the init script to later in the boot process to accomodate
pcmcia and moved pcmcia up a bit.  update-rc.d is your friend.


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Re: non-gui battery app?

2002-05-26 Thread jereme
Dave Price wrote:
> anyone know of a battery status program that is not GUI-based?


  This may not be what you are looking for but two things come to
  mind.

  Within emacs, M-x display-battery will put a meter in the mode line.

  The apm bin from the apmd package with something like:
  $ while(true);do apm; sleep 10; clear;done;



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Re: non-gui battery app?

2002-05-26 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Sun, 26 May 2002, Dave Price wrote:

> anyone know of a battery status program that is not GUI-based?

I don't know of any, but you can make one easily. Just check
/proc/... battery? Sorry, not at my laptop at the moment so I'm not sure
of
the entry name. Might be under "apm" instead of "battery". Maybe a shell
script that beeps the speaker 3 times when you get to some % of battery
life left?

-Alex


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Re: Netiquette: crossposting, followup-to (was Re: 1:1 mirror for an entire hd)

2002-05-26 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 01:12:08AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 09:49:18AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> 
> > what else do you want? if you also have all your lists procmail'd to
> > a subfilder (like i read this list in =lists/debian/user), then set
> > this
> 
> Is there a way to jump back over to the spool file without having to
> type it out longhand or make a symlink someplace handy?

It's called !
So just type
c!

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Re: Proble - XFree86 4.2 and ATI 3D Rage LT Pro

2002-05-26 Thread Peter Whysall
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 00:24, allmail wrote:
> Dear Peter
> 
> We have experienced a lot of trouble with the Debian distro in terms of
> establishing a GUI as well.  Debian is not too bad as a server but is fairly
> woeful for the desktop at this moment.  Our opinion is that there is a need
> to totally revisit X-Windows and possibly when this movement has gained a
> bit more momentum this serious impediment to getting Debian Linux to the
> desktop will be addressed.  It seems to us that there is not only a problem
> with hardware detection but also the various graphics related routines are
> excessively demanding on processor power resulting in a slow machine.

I'm not sure I know what you mean. I'm running XFree86 at such a rate
here that I can play Quake III Arena (yes, on Linux) at 90fps at
1024x768x32bit colour.

My PC is an 800MHz P3 with 256MB RAM, and a GeForce2 MX graphics card.
No speed demon, but no slouch, either.

The only problem I've found with Debian's XFree86 installation is that
there's no hardware detection - other than that, "dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xfree86" is one of the most sane and user-friendly methods of
getting yourself cooking on gas that I've seen.

I had extreme problems with a Dell GX240 - but this was because XFree86
4.1, that's shipped with Debian Woody, doesn't understand the ATI Rage
128 Ultra TF. XFree86 4.2 does. 

*This is not a problem in Debian*.

Every operating system has hardware that is not *yet* supported.
 
> We found that Mandrake Linux is very good for getting a GUI onto difficult
> subjects such as laptops for example.  If you use Mandrake, you will almost
> certainly achieve your objective of having Linux run on the Compaq.  If you
> are very technical, you can then reverse engineer how Mandrake achieved this
> feat and copy the various drivers/config files across to Debian to get it to
> work.  Good luck.

Mandrake is...erm... *interesting*. And not in a good way. But that's
beyond the scope of this list.

I've got Debian Sid running on a truly horrible little laptop - the Acer
Travelmate 508DX. All the hardware is supported - nasty NeoMagic
graphics, nasty Intel I810 sound, nasty CardBus controller, the lot.

And the amazing (or not, depending on your point of view) thing is that
all this *worked first time*.

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Re: non-gui battery app?

2002-05-26 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 05:28:28AM -0400, jereme wrote:
> Dave Price wrote:
> > anyone know of a battery status program that is not GUI-based?
> 
> 
>   This may not be what you are looking for but two things come to
>   mind.
> 
>   Within emacs, M-x display-battery will put a meter in the mode line.
> 
>   The apm bin from the apmd package with something like:
>   $ while(true);do apm; sleep 10; clear;done;

apm has this built-in: Just do:
$ apm -M

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Re: Netiquette: crossposting, followup-to (was Re: 1:1 mirror for an entire hd)

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:09:40PM +0200, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote:

> It's called !
> So just type
> c!

I don't know if it's because it's 0324 and I'm bored, or I hated menu
hell in pine or what, but

COOLEST FEATURE EVER!

Sorry bout that.  I'm easily amused right now.

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Re: Galeon submits empty forms

2002-05-26 Thread Matthias Papesch
Hi,

seems that my original response missed the list.

James Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi, 
> I was having this problem. The solution I found was to delete 
> ~/.galeon/mozilla/galeon/prefs.js. Don't ask me why, I have no idea. It just 
> worked.
> 

Anyways, deleting this file did the trick for me and I am now a happy
camper again  Thanks!

Cheers,
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Re: Comparing squid cache versus nothing

2002-05-26 Thread Peter Whysall
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 05:24, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:03:26PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> 
> > I'd activate cache, flush it then run an automated pull of a slew of
> > sites tried against both a proxied and unproxied session.  You can get a
> > list of sites (if you want to mirror your own behavior) from the squid
> > cache logs themselves.

And you could use Galeon's saved sessions feature for this.

> Damn, I was hoping for nice stats on both.  I kinda wish there was a
> free tool for this.

I use Squid with the calamaris log analysis thinger (as part , and I
drive the whole shooting match with Webmin.

Calamaris provides very comprehensive stats.

> > Are you trying to prove something to someone or satisfy your own
> > curiosity?
> 
> Curiosity to see if its worth keeping squid duing a transparent proxy
> now that our broadband came up (we were stuffed on dialup for four days
> when the person in charge of getting everybody's share of rent and bill
> money forgot the internet bill; when I got the connction going again,
> everybody was like, "Dude, it's like being able to breathe again!").

My instinct is that it probably is worth it because your web browser will
initially ask the proxy, which is presumably either local, or attached via
LAN, rather than the remote server, which is over 56K.

I don't have any hard numbers to back this up, though. 

Take care,

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iptables 2.2.20-idepci

2002-05-26 Thread Dave Price
Hi,

I have a woody system built from a netinst cdrom i found on the debian
site.

It sets up with a 2.2.20 kernel and returns uname= 2.2.20-idepci.

I am trying to use this as a firewall system.  The system appears to
have iptables installed (even an init script and 'empty' config, but
when I try to do the commands in the howto's (even the modprobes) they
seem to fail, there do not appear to be any of the required ip_table
modules on the system.

Is anyone elso familiar with this 'distro'?  do I need to recompile my
kerenel to a 2.4 to get the ip_tables stuff, or am I missing something?

Any advice as to how to figure out what iptables capabillies I have in
this system already would be greatly appreciated.  

aloha,
dave


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Re: Comparing squid cache versus nothing

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 11:44:51AM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote:

> My instinct is that it probably is worth it because your web browser will
> initially ask the proxy, which is presumably either local, or attached via
> LAN, rather than the remote server, which is over 56K.

Will I get enough winnage over the cable modem to make it worth while
now that the broadband's back?

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Re: screens saver - scrolling marquee

2002-05-26 Thread Carlos Sousa
On Wed, 22 May 2002 10:28:33 -0500 ktb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've got a kiosk set up and would like to display what the intended
> use of the kiosk is for, in the form of a screensaver.  I've installed
> xscreensaver.  The only two screensavers included that come close are
> (...)

The noseguy screensaver (within xscreensaver) shows a little guy
wandering around on the screen, pausing from time to time to spew out a
few messages. The source of those messages can be a file or the output
of a program (default is fortune).

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Lost floppy ??

2002-05-26 Thread Ted

HI..
Whilst tyring to install tomsrtbt onto a floppy I get this response..

About to fdformat /dev/fd0u1722
Double-sided, 82 tracks, 21 sec/track. Total capacity 1722 kB.
Formatting ...
ioctl(FDFMTBEG): No such device
 FAILED fdformat error Enter to continue...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/twager/tomsrtbt-2.0.23# su
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/twager/tomsrtbt-2.0.23# whoami
root
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/twager/tomsrtbt-2.0.23# mke2fs /dev/fd0 1440
mke2fs 1.27 (8-Mar-2002)
mke2fs: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size

Needless to say the fd0 is in dev and if I do a make bzdisk it works ok...



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Re: Lost floppy ??

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:40:17PM +0100, Ted wrote:
> ioctl(FDFMTBEG): No such device
>  FAILED fdformat error Enter to continue...

> Needless to say the fd0 is in dev and if I do a make bzdisk it works ok...

Sounds like maybe you recompiled the kernel and forgot floppy support?

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Re: Lost floppy ??

2002-05-26 Thread Ted

Paul Johnson wrote:

On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:40:17PM +0100, Ted wrote:


ioctl(FDFMTBEG): No such device
FAILED fdformat error Enter to continue...




Needless to say the fd0 is in dev and if I do a make bzdisk it works ok...



Sounds like maybe you recompiled the kernel and forgot floppy support?



That was a fast reply !!!
I have not recompiled the kernel on this partition and the floppy was ok 
yesterday...It is also ok mechanically as it works on my suse partition..



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Re: Lost floppy ??

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:50:38PM +0100, Ted wrote:

> I have not recompiled the kernel on this partition and the floppy was ok 
> yesterday...It is also ok mechanically as it works on my suse partition..

Ooh, don't take us down this road...I'm still in recovery[1].  The words
"I didn't change anything" ring through my head still after half a year
every time I solve a problem that I could tell them exactly what they
changed and around when they did it...




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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Thomas Good
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Paul Johnson wrote:

> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> > > home and abroad.  And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd
> > > to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. 
> > 
> >   You aren't talking about Kent State are you?
> 
> I think that's where it was, I couldn't remember the name.  It wasn't
> taught in school, strangely enough.  I heard about it elsewhere.

It occurred in May 1970.  In 1974 I attended a protest/remembrance
there (I am an Ohioan) and heard Jane Fonda, Daniel Ellsberg, Julian
Bond, et al., speak.  It was declared a sacred site, etc.  A few 
years later the bloodsoaked ground was ploughed so a new gymnasium
could be built.  The administration was unconcerned with the protests
about this insensitive behaviour.  This sort of thing is not taught
in American schools perhaps because it is seemingly at odds with our
democratic principles.  The less polished side of US history is covered
well by Howard Zinn (Peoples History of the United States - used at
several universities) and a great book called: 'The 60s Without Apology.'

By the way gents, there was no helicopter involved at Kent State.
The guardsmen believed (or so it was said later) they had been issued
blanks.  The orders were to fire into the ground (makes more noise).
Obviously they missed..."four dead in O-Hi-O" is how Crosby, Stills
and Nash put it.  A painful chapter in the history of the US Armed
Forces.

Now there was a similar event (same time frame) that occurred at
Jackson State in Mississippi.  Maybe a helo was involved there?

Cheers (very much enjoying this thread although it isn't work related!)

Baloo - should you stop by New York City pop in.  We'll have a pint 
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Re: Suggestions for a USB Webcam

2002-05-26 Thread Thomas Hessling
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 00:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> Does anyone have any suggestions on what works well with linux?  I've
> scanned over the USB-linux devices list, so I have a feel of what
> works and what doesn't.  So I'm looking for opinions and expriences.

The Philips PCVC 740K (aka ToUcam Pro) works pretty well for me. It's
supported by the 2.4 kernel series though you might want to download a
(optional) proprietary compression module for higher resolutions and
framerates. The builtin microphone doesn't make any problems either.

If you still use a 2.2 kernel it's probably a bad choice, I didn't get
it working there yet. 


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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 07:57:27AM -0400, Thomas Good wrote:

> about this insensitive behaviour.  This sort of thing is not taught
> in American schools perhaps because it is seemingly at odds with our
> democratic principles.  The less polished side of US history is covered
> well by Howard Zinn (Peoples History of the United States - used at
> several universities) and a great book called: 'The 60s Without Apology.'

Interesting.  I might have to pick that up to get me through a
particularly dull shift.

> Now there was a similar event (same time frame) that occurred at
> Jackson State in Mississippi.  Maybe a helo was involved there?

Possibly.  I swear I remember seing film footage in a documentary on IFC
about the 60s a while back.

> Baloo - should you stop by New York City pop in.  We'll have a pint 
> and maybe a glass of decent whisky (if any is left by that time!)

Sure, not sure how I'm going to get to NYC again now that I don't have a
job that sends me *everywhere*.

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Re: Lost floppy ??

2002-05-26 Thread Ted

Paul Johnson wrote:

On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:50:38PM +0100, Ted wrote:


I have not recompiled the kernel on this partition and the floppy was ok 
yesterday...It is also ok mechanically as it works on my suse partition..



Ooh, don't take us down this road...I'm still in recovery[1].  The words
"I didn't change anything" ring through my head still after half a year
every time I solve a problem that I could tell them exactly what they
changed and around when they did it...




[1] Formerly a bob...I took up public safety for the peace and quiet.



Tis true...The only file I have edited since yesterday is the grub 
menu.lst so as to boot the suse partition from itIt looke as though I

will have to recompile and see what gives

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Re: Comparing squid cache versus nothing

2002-05-26 Thread Nicos Gollan
On Sunday 26 May 2002 12:58, Paul Johnson wrote:

> Will I get enough winnage over the cable modem to make it worth while
> now that the broadband's back?

Depends on the servers you want to access. I "only" have ADSL with 
maximum 90KB/s download, and yet the average speed seeme to be 
somewhere between 20 and 30KB/s. You connection isn't everything in the 
equation.


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Re: Lost floppy ??

2002-05-26 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include 
Ted wrote on Sun May 26, 2002 um 12:40:17PM:

fdformat is old piece of crap. Use superformat.

> About to fdformat /dev/fd0u1722

Bad idea. These format makes problems with some hardware and some
operating systems.

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Re: bringing up multiple pc-card interfaces

2002-05-26 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Sun, 26 May 2002 03:03:03 -0600
"Dave Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It work, except that on boot the system trys to start the network before
> the cardservices are ready.
> 
> I have the configurations of eth0 and eth1 in /etc/interfaces as static.

I suspect you have the interfaces listed as "auto" in /etc/interfaces?
 
> Even after the cards are recognized, using ifconfig eth0 up, etc does no
> seem to set the interface(s) up right ... so far, poping the cards out
> an in appears to be the only reliable? way to get them to set up.

I found that when I had the "auto" entry listed in /etc/interfaces, I got
the same results you are describing.  Mainly because the network attempts
to start and bring up the "auto" interfaces on it's own prior to pcmcia
having started.  This, I believe, leaves the interface in a malconfigured,
but present state.  You can confirm this by running "ifdown "
followed by "ifup ".  That should work, but a simply "ifup
" will return an error about the interface already being
present or some such.  I found if I removed the "auto" entry for the
interface from /etc/interfaces, all was well (at least on my laptop and my
wife's).  The network would start up and not try to bring up my pcmcia
interface (eth0).  Then when pcmcia started, it would recognize the card
and bring it up.

Is this possibly a configuration bug that should be reported to the
maintainer?

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Re: Menus not updating

2002-05-26 Thread Joey Hess
Paul Johnson wrote:
> The X apps do have this.  Console apps that previously did have menu
> entries are slowly dropping them for whatever reason, despite the fact
> that it would be reasonable to spawn an xterm and start it there. 
> Examples off the top of my head on this one are mutt and tin.

I'm following unstable, and mutt has a menu entry. So does tin. I think
you're seeing a trend where none exists. Any more examples?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/menu>ls -l mutt tin
-rw-r--r--1 root root  103 Mar 19 08:05 mutt
-rw-r--r--1 root root  102 Mar 16 20:45 tin

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Re: bringing up multiple pc-card interfaces

2002-05-26 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Sun, 26 May 2002 03:03:03 -0600
"Dave Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It work, except that on boot the system trys to start the network before
> the cardservices are ready.
> 
> I have the configurations of eth0 and eth1 in /etc/interfaces as static.
> 
> Even after the cards are recognized, using ifconfig eth0 up, etc does no
> seem to set the interface(s) up right ... so far, poping the cards out
> an in appears to be the only reliable? way to get them to set up.

You can find more information about this and why it's happening here:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=147676&repeatmerged=yes

The solution is very similiar to what I proposed in my earlier post.

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Recovering a dd'd MBR -Possible?

2002-05-26 Thread Russ Pitman
I have two hard drives, hda and hdb. I wiped the MBR on /dev/hdb not
realizing that it would cause the boot of /dev/hda to fail while it was
still in the chain.

With /dev/hdb switched off /dev/hda boots fine, but I need to be able to
access /dev/hdb to transfe all/most of the files over to /dev/hda.

Is it possible to rebuild the MBR on /dev/hdb without destroying the
filesystem.

Using grub as bootloader, on sid uptodate, if that is helpfull.

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Configuring mod_perl on Debian

2002-05-26 Thread Ian D. Stewart

Dear List,

I have been trying for the better part of the day to get Apache 
w/mod_perl working on a Debian Woody system.  With the help of the 
Configuration section of the mod_perl Guide, I have set up httpd.conf 
w/ mod_perl support, I have setup a /perl location with 
Apache::Registry as the PerlHandler, and I have copied a test script 
from /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-perl/examples into /perl.  However, 
whenever I try to display http://localhost/perl/test.pl, the browser 
(Galeon-1.2.1) displays a dialog asking if I want to save the file to 
disk or open it with an external application.


here is the pertinant section of httpd.conf:

Alias /perl /var/www/perl

PerlModule Apache::Registry

SetHandler perl-script
PerlHandler Apache::Registry
Options ExecCGI
allow from all
PerlSendHeader on



Any clues as to what I may be doing wrong, or where to look for more 
info, would be greatly appreciated.



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Re: non-gui battery app?

2002-05-26 Thread dman
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 02:54:07AM -0600, Dave Price wrote:

| anyone know of a battery status program that is not GUI-based?

$ cat /proc/apm

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Re: sylpheed

2002-05-26 Thread Carlos Sousa
On Fri, 24 May 2002 18:19:18 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> what's up with sylpheed-doc? or, in other words, where can i get it?

have you tried apt-get install sylpheed-doc? That's how I installed
it...

> (...)

> though i configured the line wrap at 72, it doesn't wrap by default.
> has anyone else had the same problem?

Sylpheed does no wrapping until you click on Send. Test by sending mail
to yourself. If your suspicious nature demands seeing the wrapping with
your own eyes, you can always click on the Linewrap button as you write
the text (or use the Edit menu).

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Re: iptables 2.2.20-idepci

2002-05-26 Thread dman
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 04:51:26AM -0600, Dave Price wrote:

| It sets up with a 2.2.20 kernel and returns uname= 2.2.20-idepci.
| 
| I am trying to use this as a firewall system.  The system appears to
| have iptables installed (even an init script and 'empty' config, but
| when I try to do the commands in the howto's (even the modprobes) they
| seem to fail, there do not appear to be any of the required ip_table
| modules on the system.
| 
| Is anyone elso familiar with this 'distro'?  do I need to recompile my
| kerenel to a 2.4 to get the ip_tables stuff, or am I missing something?
| 
| Any advice as to how to figure out what iptables capabillies I have in
| this system already would be greatly appreciated.  

There are 2 parts to firewalling in linux : 
o   the kernel modules that do the real work
o   the user-space program to tell the kernel what you want it to do

You can have the user-space program installed even without the
necessary kernel support.  2.2 kernels don't have iptables, they use
the older "ipchains".  If you want to use iptables you'll need a 2.4
kernel.  Otherwise install the 'ipchains' package and use it.

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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 07:34:51PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> of sharp turns, short but steep hills and one-lane corduroy bridges.

They make bridges out of corduroy?  Wow, Canada's even weirder than
I'd heard...;)

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Re: MPlayer

2002-05-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 03:32:59PM -0300, O Senhor wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>  I have compiled the MPlayer in my Debian Machine, and was fine... But
> when i try run it, (mplayer , nothing appears. Only messages
> about permission denied in some places and .mplayer configuration
> faults. But is my first time, how can i have the mplayer profile? 

IIRC, I had to copy over the missing files from mplayer installation
directory manually.  I did install mplayer a very long time ago tho.
See if it helps.

> 
>  here is the output:
> 
> 
> MPlayer 0.90pre4-2.95.4 (C) 2000-2002 Arpad Gereoffy (see DOCS!)
> 
> CPU vendor name: AuthenticAMD  max cpuid level: 1
> CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon TB Thunderbird (Type: 6, Stepping: 2)
> extended cpuid-level: 6
> CPUflags: Type: 6 MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0
> Compiled for x86 CPU with features: MMX MMX2 3DNow 3DNowEx
> Reading /home/me/.mplayer/codecs.conf: can't open
> '/home/me/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
> Reading /usr/local/share/mplayer/codecs.conf: 34 audio & 92 video codecs
> font: can't open file: /home/me/.mplayer/font/font.desc
> font: can't open file: /usr/local/share/mplayer/font/font.desc
> Linux RTC init error: Permission denied
> Using usleep() timing
> Can't open input config file /home/me/.mplayer/input.conf : No such file
> or directory
> Falling back on default (hardcoded) config
> Playing misc/videos/hochzeit.mpg
> header block 1 size: 0
> Detected MPEG-PS file format!
> VIDEO:  MPEG1  352x288  (aspect 8)  25.00 fps  1437.5 kbps (179.7
> kbyte/s)
> [V] filefmt:2  fourcc:0x1001  size:352x288  fps:25.00  ftime:=0.0400
> Detected audio codec: [mp3] drv:1 (MPEG layer-2, layer-3)
> Selecting Audio Decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3
> mp3lib: made decode tables with MMX optimization
> init layer2&3 finished, tables done
> mp3lib: using 3DNow!Ex optimized decore!
> MPEG 1.0, Layer II, 44100 Hz 224 kbit Stereo, BPF: 731
> Channels: 2, copyright: No, original: No, CRC: No, emphasis: 0
> AUDIO: srate=44100  chans=2  bps=2  sfmt=0x10  ratio: 28000->176400
> fbdev: Can't open /dev/fb0: Permission denied

This is (I think) caused by mplayer trying to use the framebuffer
device for video output.  Since you don't have access to it (I presume
it's owned by root.root), and you haven't told it about any other
output methods (due to the lack of config files I mention above), it
dies.  Try running with 'mplayer -vo x11 ' to use the X
output plugin, or '-vo sdl' to use the SDL plugin.  The SDL one seems
to be more featureful(is that even a word?) than the X one, plus it
(presumably) supports all the targets that SDL does (X, framebuffer,
ASCII!).  For a full list of all the available output plugins, try
'mplayer -vo help'.

If you want the best possible speed (under X, anyhow) tho, you need to
use the XVideo X extension.  Of course, this requires your video card
driver to support it.  The X nv driver does not, but the proprietary,
buggy, POS nvidia one does.  I'm not sure about any of the other cards
around.

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booting RAID-1

2002-05-26 Thread Patrick Albuquerque
Hi,

I've been struggling to boot into a RAID-1 (mirroring)

o  root is hda3, hdc3 as /dev/md0
o  hda3 & hdc3 have partition type 'fd'
o  root is Ext3
o  RAID enabled 2.4.18 kernel
o  initrd has raid modules (added 'raid1' to 
   /etc/mkinitrd/modules)

dmesg says:
Journalled Block Device driver loaded
md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
md: raid1 personality registered as nr 3

but boot fails, and I end up in repair mode with hda3 mounted as root
read-only.
I can mount /dev/md0 from a rescue partition ok.

Any tips?

patrick
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Re: ddt-client

2002-05-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:28:26PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
> I am trying to get a ddt acount up and running, but I am running into
> some problems.  I have this D-link cable router (DI-704) that I have
> between me and the internet.  I was wondering if anyone had experience
> setting up ddt-client to update my ddt account through this router.  I
> have tried both setting up the router to forward 1052 to my computer(I
> dont know if it is trying to forward 1052/tcp or 1052/upd like it
> should).  I also tried setting my computer as the dmz host, but nothing
> seems to work like it should.  I am running a testing system with the
> ddt-client from sid(0.5.6 if Im not mistaken).  Thanks for any help.

[I do use ddt, but I don't have cable, so I doubt I can help.]

Do you have a real IP, or is the cable router masquerading?

-rob


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Re: booting RAID-1

2002-05-26 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya patrick

try using a 2.4.18 kernel w/ raid0/1 built into the kernel
instead of modules..

and/or is that initrd referenced in your lilo.conf for "root" partition
in the lilo.conf stanza 
...
root=/dev/md0
initrd=that_one_u_used_from_rescue_partition.gz

c ya
alvin


On Sun, 26 May 2002, Patrick Albuquerque wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've been struggling to boot into a RAID-1 (mirroring)
> 
>   o  root is hda3, hdc3 as /dev/md0
>   o  hda3 & hdc3 have partition type 'fd'
>   o  root is Ext3
>   o  RAID enabled 2.4.18 kernel
>   o  initrd has raid modules (added 'raid1' to 
>  /etc/mkinitrd/modules)
> 
> dmesg says:
>   Journalled Block Device driver loaded
>   md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
>   md: raid1 personality registered as nr 3
> 
> but boot fails, and I end up in repair mode with hda3 mounted as root
> read-only.
> I can mount /dev/md0 from a rescue partition ok.
> 
> Any tips?
> 
> patrick
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Re: which package provides?

2002-05-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 01:14:15AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 02:10:36AM -0600, Dave Price wrote:
> 
> > More generally, is there a command that can be run on a system to tell
> > me what package installed a perticular file?
> 
> dpkg -S  should give it to you.

AFAIK, this will only work for packages that you have (or had, but not
purged) installed on your system.  The canonical list is
packages.debian.org, but that is apparently only for x86 and is not
always up-to-date.

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Re: persistent cookies

2002-05-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 10:54:09PM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I am trying to set up persistent cookies with lynx. I am accepting all cookes
> and have persistent_cookies set to true and mycookie file is supposed to be
> ~/.lynx_cookies. I've also done a search for any such file on my system. I 
> can't
> find a cookie file anywhere and persistent_cookies isn't working. Is there
> something missing here? Is the debian package of lynx-ssl compiled with
> exp_persistent_cookies?
> TIA.

Not really an answer, but have you tried links?  It supports SSL and
persistent cookies, as well as actually rendering tables and frames.
Overall, a very nice little browser.

-rob


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Re: Trouble-shooting apache-perl

2002-05-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:50:14AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote:
> So,
> 
> I recently upgraded apache to apache-perl, and am trying to get to the 
> a test script under /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod_perl/examples to test 

I don't know if this is related, but apache-perl and
mod-perl(libapache-mod_perl) are, AFAIK, seperate projects.  Which
package are you using?

-rob


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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 06:57, Thomas Good wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2002, Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
> By the way gents, there was no helicopter involved at Kent State.

2 days before the Massacre, there was a helicopter used to
try and disperse crowds/rioting.

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Re: Comparing squid cache versus nothing

2002-05-26 Thread Walter Reed
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 09:24:46PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Curiosity to see if its worth keeping squid duing a transparent proxy
> now that our broadband came up (we were stuffed on dialup for four days
> when the person in charge of getting everybody's share of rent and bill
> money forgot the internet bill; when I got the connction going again,
> everybody was like, "Dude, it's like being able to breathe again!").

Another reason to run squid: adzap. It's amazing how much it speeds up browsing
on my IDSL line...


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Re: non-gui battery app?

2002-05-26 Thread David Z Maze
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>   The apm bin from the apmd package with something like:
>   $ while(true);do apm; sleep 10; clear;done;

Or, more simply, just 'watch apm'.

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Re: sylpheed

2002-05-26 Thread VETSEL Patrice
On Sun, 26 May 2002 15:20:25 +0100
Carlos Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 May 2002 18:19:18 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > what's up with sylpheed-doc? or, in other words, where can i get it?
> 
> have you tried apt-get install sylpheed-doc? That's how I installed
> it...

I'v also a problem with the sylpheed-doc
I'v installed it but when i want to look french documentation by the main 
program i'd :
"apt-get install sylpheed-doc"

May be it's a problem with the localepurge i'v installed too .


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Re: MPlayer

2002-05-26 Thread VETSEL Patrice
If you are in need of a good paquetage for mplayer look here :
http://www.mplayer.fr.st/

and for other very nice here (like divx, xine ...) :
http://marillat.free.fr/


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Re: Netiquette: crossposting, followup-to (was Re: 1:1 mirror for an entire hd)

2002-05-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matijs van Zuijlen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.26.1209 +0200]:
> It's called !
> So just type
> c!

macro index I "c!\n" "opens the inbox"
macro pager I "c!\n" "opens the inbox"

then just press 'I'

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Re: Trouble-shooting apache-perl

2002-05-26 Thread Ian D. Stewart

On 2002.05.26 10:55 Rob Weir wrote:

On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:50:14AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote:
> So,
>
> I recently upgraded apache to apache-perl, and am trying to get to
the
> a test script under /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod_perl/examples to
test

I don't know if this is related, but apache-perl and
mod-perl(libapache-mod_perl) are, AFAIK, seperate projects.  Which
package are you using?


Both.  Selecting apache-perl in GnomeAPT also selects apache-common and 
libapache-mod_perl.  I assume there's some sort of dependency action 
going on.



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Re: ddt-client

2002-05-26 Thread Scott Henson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 10:45, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:28:26PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
> > I am trying to get a ddt acount up and running, but I am running into
> > some problems.  I have this D-link cable router (DI-704) that I have
> > between me and the internet.  I was wondering if anyone had experience
> > setting up ddt-client to update my ddt account through this router.  I
> > have tried both setting up the router to forward 1052 to my computer(I
> > dont know if it is trying to forward 1052/tcp or 1052/upd like it
> > should).  I also tried setting my computer as the dmz host, but nothing
> > seems to work like it should.  I am running a testing system with the
> > ddt-client from sid(0.5.6 if Im not mistaken).  Thanks for any help.
> 
> [I do use ddt, but I don't have cable, so I doubt I can help.]
> 
> Do you have a real IP, or is the cable router masquerading?

Its masquerading and Im using port forwarding.  What is weird is that my
smtp port is working because I can receive mail, but aparently the http
port is not working because people cannot access my web page.  I am
using adelphia cable as my ISP.  Im pretty much stumped on why smtp will
work, but http and ddt will not work.  Any ideas?


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Re: Suggestions for a USB Webcam

2002-05-26 Thread John
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 01:58:39PM +0200, Thomas Hessling wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 00:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> > Does anyone have any suggestions on what works well with linux?  I've
> > scanned over the USB-linux devices list, so I have a feel of what
> > works and what doesn't.  So I'm looking for opinions and expriences.

D-Link Webcam, model DSB C300 works here, using the ov511 module.  Can't
compare it with any other webcam, but works for me. I use xawtv/motv as
my software app.

John

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Re: ddt-client

2002-05-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:36:01PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
> Its masquerading and Im using port forwarding.  What is weird is that my
> smtp port is working because I can receive mail, but aparently the http
> port is not working because people cannot access my web page.

What error do they get? Is there just no response at all, or do they get
an HTTP error code? If the former, Apache may not be configured to
listen on the masqueraded interface. If the latter, then Apache may (for
example) be configured to use virtual hosts and may not recognize the
particular Host: header they're sending.

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CD Labelling Software

2002-05-26 Thread Simon Read
Folks,

Can any  one suggest  some CD label  printing software  and stationery
that can be used under Debian GNU/Linux?

If  it makes any  different I  have an  HP LaserJet  and a  HP DeskJet
printer.  I also  have some "Neato" stationery, but  their software is
PC/Mac  :(

Simon Read


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Re: accessibility

2002-05-26 Thread Jerome Acks Jr
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 07:50:38AM +0200, Dennis Heuer wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Does somebody know a project that develops kind of accessibility4linux
> for the support of specific hardware for disabled people?
> 
Hi dennis,

Here is a few:
http://www.gnu.org/directory/skipper.html
http://home.freeuk.net/thousandminds/
http://www.gnu.org/directory/emacspeakss.html
http://leb.net/blinux/
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/accessx/

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Re: ddt-client

2002-05-26 Thread dman
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:36:01PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
| On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 10:45, Rob Weir wrote:
| > On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:28:26PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
| > > I am trying to get a ddt acount up and running, but I am running into
| > > some problems.  I have this D-link cable router (DI-704) that I have
| > > between me and the internet.  I was wondering if anyone had experience
| > > setting up ddt-client to update my ddt account through this router.  I
| > > have tried both setting up the router to forward 1052 to my computer(I
| > > dont know if it is trying to forward 1052/tcp or 1052/upd like it
| > > should).  I also tried setting my computer as the dmz host, but nothing
| > > seems to work like it should.  I am running a testing system with the
| > > ddt-client from sid(0.5.6 if Im not mistaken).  Thanks for any help.
| > 
| > [I do use ddt, but I don't have cable, so I doubt I can help.]
| > 
| > Do you have a real IP, or is the cable router masquerading?
| 
| Its masquerading and Im using port forwarding.  What is weird is that my
| smtp port is working because I can receive mail, but aparently the http
| port is not working because people cannot access my web page.  I am
| using adelphia cable as my ISP.  Im pretty much stumped on why smtp will
| work, but http and ddt will not work.  Any ideas?

Does your ISP do any packet filtering?  Is there a host outside of
your network you can use to test the connection at the TCP/UDP level?

-D

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General Java question

2002-05-26 Thread Kent West
Sometimes when I go to sites that are dependent on Java (like my 
school's main web-accessible database/portal, and like www.popcap.com 
for games, etc) the features on that site don't work as they should. Is 
this because:


1) These sites are using non-standard Java features that only work with 
a few browsers/OSes?


or

2) Java for Linux is buggy/broken/missing features?

or

3) Because I don't have my Debian box/Java configured properly?

or

4) Some other cause?

Thanks for any insight!

Kent



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General question re: Report generation

2002-05-26 Thread Kent West
At work I need to generate monthly and other occassional reports out of 
an Oracle database. I started doing this years ago before I knew Linux 
existed, and use Crystal Reports on Windows to generate those reports. 
Crystal Reports is a drag-n-drop/point-n-click app that lets you create 
a "template" for how your report will look, and requires minimal 
knowledge of SQL (and my knowledge of SQL is indeed minimal -- I'm an 
"appliance operator" concerning dbms stuff). It uses ODBC to connect to 
the Oracle database.


Question: How is this done in *nix (in general terms)? If I want to do 
it from my Debian box, will I have to learn Perl/Python/etc (which I'm 
not opposed to; it's just another steep slope on getting there from 
here)? Is there a drag-n-drop replacement for Crystal on *nix? Will I 
need to use some sort of ODBC tool, or is there a more direct route to 
the data in the database? (I've played some with some *nix-flavored ODBC 
tools, and didn't have a lot of success, but mostly due to my general 
ignorance of things Database.)


Thanks for any hints!

Kent



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Re: General Java question

2002-05-26 Thread Kent West

Kent West wrote:

Sometimes when I go to sites that are dependent on Java (like 
www.popcap.com for games, etc) the features on that site don't work as 
they should.



For example, in the game Atomica, in the tutorial I click on the ball 
and then click elsewhere and absolutely nothing happens. On the other 
hand, Diamond Mine seems to work fine.


Kent



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convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Michael D. Schleif

I have avoided this long enough!

I just built a new system -- woody -- and have kde and konqueror working
very well, thank you ;>

Now, I need to wean myself from the last vestiges of m$oft.

However, I have ~2 GB of netscape Email on this nt4 box, without which I
do not want to live . . .

What are my options?

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Sun, 26 May 2002 16:24:43 -0500
"Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> However, I have ~2 GB of netscape Email on this nt4 box, without which I
> do not want to live . . .

AFAIK, the file format for the Win32 and *nix versions of Netscape are
compatible.  So you should be able to move the file over to the woody box
(many options to choose from here) and use either Netscape 4.x or Mozilla
to read them.

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Re: (alsa)-module werden falsch installiert.

2002-05-26 Thread Jan Torben Heuer
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Am Sonntag, 26. Mai 2002 19:09 schrieb Frank Barknecht:
> (ich lese die Liste, Cc überflüssig.)
sorry, falsche taste erwischt ;-)
> > da steht besagter Pfad drinn
>
> Ich wollte eigentlich wissen, welcher...
path=/lib/modules/`uname -r`/alsa

passt also.

hab ich doch gesagt ;-)

> Du hast aber wirklich das alsa-source_0.9+0rc1-1_all.deb oder so
> ähnlich installiert, ja?
Ja, ich hab mir alsa-source_0.9.0rc1-2_all.deb heruntergeladen und 
installiert. Die 0.9 Version funktioniert bei mir nicht. Ist wohl buggy.

werde jetzt mal diese source.conf nachträglich rüberkopieren und dann nochmal 
kompilieren.

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Re: (alsa)-module werden falsch installiert.

2002-05-26 Thread Jan Torben Heuer
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Am Sonntag, 26. Mai 2002 19:09 schrieb Frank Barknecht:
> > wie erwartet ist auch in dem deb archiv nicht viel drinn. ist die
> > source.conf dafür verantwortlich, was kompiliert wird? warum wurde die
> > nicht mit alsa mitinstalliert?
>
> Die gehört zu alsa-source. Warum die bei dir nicht mitinstalliert
> wurde, weiß ich nicht, darin wird die Debian-Konfiguration für das
> source-Paket gehalten. Unter anderem kann man darin festhalten, welche
> Karten-Module gebaut werden sollen, falls nicht alle. Daher mein
> Verdacht, dass bei dir was nicht stimmt, weil du ja gar keine solchen
> hast.

folgendes. Jetzt werden korrekt alle module kompiliert, aber nach 
/lib/modules/alsa kopiert. hab ich erst garnicht gefunden. Ich weiss nicht, 
woran es liegt, uname -r funktioniert, und es wird auch ein korrekter pfad 
zurückgegeben. Naja, kommt ja auch aus unstable.

hat sich als erledigt jetzt, mit etwas handarbeit geht's

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.26.2324 +0200]:
> What are my options?

install an imap server. move them out of netscape via imap.
download to debian via fetchmail from imap.

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Michael D. Schleif

martin f krafft wrote:
> 
> also sprach Michael D. Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.26.2324 +0200]:
> > What are my options?
> 
> install an imap server. move them out of netscape via imap.
> download to debian via fetchmail from imap.

Sounds simple -- any ideas how to implement this?

Can I install uw-imapd on the woody and get the mail off of the nt4 box?

Obviously, I am ignorant in these matters; so, all implementation
pointers are appreciated . . .

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Michael D. Schleif

"Michael D. Schleif" wrote:
> 
> I have avoided this long enough!
> 
> I just built a new system -- woody -- and have kde and konqueror working
> very well, thank you ;>
> 
> Now, I need to wean myself from the last vestiges of m$oft.
> 
> However, I have ~2 GB of netscape Email on this nt4 box, without which I
> do not want to live . . .
> 
> What are my options?

Also, once I figure out how to get the mail off of the nt4 box, which
debian/linux programs ought I to consider managing an Email address of
this magnitude -- and growing?

What do you think?

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Scott

Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2002 16:24:43 -0500
> "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>However, I have ~2 GB of netscape Email on this nt4 box, without which I
>>do not want to live . . .
>
> AFAIK, the file format for the Win32 and *nix versions of Netscape are
> compatible.  So you should be able to move the file over to the woody box
> (many options to choose from here) and use either Netscape 4.x or Mozilla
> to read them.

They can be read with a lot of email software.  They are pretty ordinary
email files.

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Scott

Michael D. Schleif wrote:
> "Michael D. Schleif" wrote:
>
>>I have avoided this long enough!
>>
>>I just built a new system -- woody -- and have kde and konqueror working
>>very well, thank you ;>
>>
>>Now, I need to wean myself from the last vestiges of m$oft.
>>
>>However, I have ~2 GB of netscape Email on this nt4 box, without which I
>>do not want to live . . .
>>
>>What are my options?
>
>
> Also, once I figure out how to get the mail off of the nt4 box,

Either network them or just move the NT4 hard drive temporarily to the
Linux box.

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Re: bad dist-upgrade - starting over

2002-05-26 Thread Jerome Acks Jr
On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:52:36PM +0200, Eric Smith wrote:
> Unfortunately on the way from potato to sid, my upgrade froze on
> one of the main lib6 packages.  Now I have a really disturbed
> package database.
> 
> I don't care if I have to start from scratch by removing all
> packages.  What's the best and surest way to get a working 
> installation going - any distribution.

First step in upgrading from potato to sid should be to upgrade apt and
then do a dist-upgrade.

What error messages are you getting?

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Michael D. Schleif

Paul Scott wrote:
> 
> Jamin W. Collins wrote:
>  > On Sun, 26 May 2002 16:24:43 -0500
>  > "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  >>However, I have ~2 GB of netscape Email on this nt4 box, without which I
>  >>do not want to live . . .
>  >
>  > AFAIK, the file format for the Win32 and *nix versions of Netscape are
>  > compatible.  So you should be able to move the file over to the woody box
>  > (many options to choose from here) and use either Netscape 4.x or Mozilla
>  > to read them.

Care to elaborate?

I can copy/move these Email files quite readily; but, how to read them
with else?

Of course, even if it is that simple, I am still left with the decision
regarding what program[s] is/are the best long term solution for
managing a large mass of Emails.

What do you think?

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Sun, 26 May 2002 17:54:01 -0500
"Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> >  > AFAIK, the file format for the Win32 and *nix versions of Netscape
> >  > are compatible.  So you should be able to move the file over to the
> >  > woody box(many options to choose from here) and use either Netscape
> >  > 4.x or Mozilla to read them.
> 
> Care to elaborate?

Well, it really depends on what configuration you have there.  You could
network the two machines and then FTP the files across, use SAMBA to move
them, etc.  Or, you could pull the drive from the NT machine and
temporarily put it in the Debian system and move the files.  There are
many, many, many ways to skin this cat.

> I can copy/move these Email files quite readily; but, how to read them
> with else?
> 
> Of course, even if it is that simple, I am still left with the decision
> regarding what program[s] is/are the best long term solution for
> managing a large mass of Emails.

This is an age old question in the Linux world from what I've found.  A
mail client tends to be a very personal thing.  Ask 50 Linux users which
mail client they like and why and you'll probably get about 20+ different
answers.  Perhaps if you can elaborate on what your mail client
requirements are, maybe some suggestions can be made.

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Problems with lograte

2002-05-26 Thread Adar Dembo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log$ cat /etc/logrotate.conf
# see "man logrotate" for details
# rotate log files weekly
weekly

# keep 4 weeks worth of backlogs
rotate 4

# create new (empty) log files after rotating old ones
create

# uncomment this if you want your log files compressed
#compress

# packages drop log rotation information into this directory
include /etc/logrotate.d

# no packages own wtmp, or btmp -- we'll rotate them here
/var/log/wtmp {
monthly
create 0664 root utmp
rotate 1
}

/var/log/btmp {
missingok
monthly
create 0664 root utmp
rotate 1
}

# system-specific logs may be configured here

/var/log/syslog {
weekly
rotate 52
compress
delaycompress
notifempty
mail 
create 640 root sysadmin
}

/var/log/auth.log {
weekly
rotate 52
compress
delaycompress
notifempty
mail 
create 640 root sysadmin
}

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/logrotate.d$ cat apache
/var/log/apache/*.log {
weekly
missingok
rotate 52
mail 
compress
delaycompress
notifempty
create 640 root sysadmin
sharedscripts
postrotate
/etc/init.d/apache reload > /dev/null
endscript
}

I substituted that silly tag after the mail line so I won't get spammed,
but it is a valid e-mail address; I'm sure of it. Basically, syslog and
apache's logs are created with group sysadmin, with the proper
priveledges, and compressed. However, they are not being mailed to that
e-mail address. The computer is running qmail, set up on SMTP and on
POP3, and is working perfectly for both. In /var/log/qmail/current, I
see no record of any messages sent by logrotate.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log$ ls -l auth.log*
-rw-r-1 root adm  8688 May 26 16:08 auth.log
-rw-r-1 root adm   477 May 26 06:47 auth.log.0
-rw-r-1 root adm   164 May 19 06:47 auth.log.1.gz
-rw-r-1 root adm197803 May 26 06:25 auth.log.2
-rw-r-1 root adm121176 May 19 06:25 auth.log.3
-rw-r-1 root adm   161 May 12 06:47 auth.log.3.gz
-rw-r-1 root adm   161 May  5 06:47 auth.log.4.gz
-rw-r-1 root adm 11787 Apr 28 06:47 auth.log.5.gz
-rw-r-1 root adm 27480 Apr 21 06:47 auth.log.6.gz

Furthermore, why is auth.log not being created for the group sysadmin?

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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Scott

Michael D. Schleif wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:


Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2002 16:24:43 -0500
> "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>However, I have ~2 GB of netscape Email on this nt4 box, without which I
>>do not want to live . . .
>
> AFAIK, the file format for the Win32 and *nix versions of Netscape are
> compatible.  So you should be able to move the file over to the woody box
> (many options to choose from here) and use either Netscape 4.x or Mozilla
> to read them.



Care to elaborate?

I can copy/move these Email files quite readily; but, how to read them
with else?


As a trivial start:

mail -f 

will read a mail file like this just fine.


Of course, even if it is that simple, I am still left with the decision
regarding what program[s] is/are the best long term solution for
managing a large mass of Emails.

What do you think?


See other answer(s) for this.  I use Mozilla (0.9.9) for all of my 
email.  I move files like this (20 or 30MB, not 2GB yet) around and edit 
them with a test editor all the time.  If this is one big 2GB file I 
might use Netscape on the NT box to organize them into folders first


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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Michael D. Schleif

"Jamin W. Collins" wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 26 May 2002 17:54:01 -0500
> "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> > >  > AFAIK, the file format for the Win32 and *nix versions of Netscape
> > >  > are compatible.  So you should be able to move the file over to the
> > >  > woody box(many options to choose from here) and use either Netscape
> > >  > 4.x or Mozilla to read them.
> >
> > Care to elaborate?
> 
> Well, it really depends on what configuration you have there.  You could
> network the two machines and then FTP the files across, use SAMBA to move
> them, etc.  Or, you could pull the drive from the NT machine and
> temporarily put it in the Debian system and move the files.  There are
> many, many, many ways to skin this cat.
> 
> > I can copy/move these Email files quite readily; but, how to read them
> > with else?
> >
> > Of course, even if it is that simple, I am still left with the decision
> > regarding what program[s] is/are the best long term solution for
> > managing a large mass of Emails.
> 
> This is an age old question in the Linux world from what I've found.  A
> mail client tends to be a very personal thing.  Ask 50 Linux users which
> mail client they like and why and you'll probably get about 20+ different
> answers.  Perhaps if you can elaborate on what your mail client
> requirements are, maybe some suggestions can be made.

Perhaps, if Email can be kept in a real database, then the client issues
become more a matter of taste, as you posit.

Right now, I'd like to have my next move satisfy me for a couple more
years, at least.  Basically, I'm a cli guy; but, x has gotten a lot
prettier, &c.

Are there Email clients with database hooks?  mysql?  postgres?

What do you think?

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Re: General Java question

2002-05-26 Thread Tom Cook
On  0, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sometimes when I go to sites that are dependent on Java (like my 
> school's main web-accessible database/portal, and like www.popcap.com 
> for games, etc) the features on that site don't work as they should. Is 
> this because:
> 
> 1) These sites are using non-standard Java features that only work with 
> a few browsers/OSes?
> 
> or
> 
> 2) Java for Linux is buggy/broken/missing features?
> 
> or
> 
> 3) Because I don't have my Debian box/Java configured properly?
> 
> or
> 
> 4) Some other cause?

Sorry, Kent, my psychic function is a bit on the blink at the moment.

Which browser are you using?

Which Java do you have installed?  Kaffe?  Blackdown?  Sun?  1.2?
1.3?  1.1.x?  1.3.1?

What features are the websites trying to use (Swing?  AWT?)

Wich version of Java do the websites say you need?

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Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread John

Ron Johnson wrote:


On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote:


On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote:


[snip]

To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. 
Oregonians, and to a lesser degree, Idahoans, tend to look in from the




It's not a "bizarre" superiority complex.  May not be valid,
but certainly not "bizarre".  I can list 1,000 US accomplish-
ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't
not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now speaking German.  (Yes,
you fought the Battle of Britain, but without the US Navy , for
all intents & purposes fighting the Battle of the Atlantic with
the Royal Navy well before 07-Dec-1941, Admiral Doenitz _would_
have starved you all into submission...)


H, OK, flamewar started...

Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap 
bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a 
great place to base a lot of Operations.


The main US base in Oz was at Tweed Heads, which is pretty close to 
halfway along the eastern seaboard. The US plan was to let the Japanese 
have the northern part of Oz, to a line that passes through where 
Brisbane is. It was only after major pressure from Great Britain that 
the USA abandoned the plan of letting the Japanese take AND KEEP about 
half of Australia and started to support our troops in Papua New Guinea. 
This change of tactics was instrumental in bringing about the Battle of 
the Coral Sea and the Battle of the Bismark Sea, which were pretty much 
the turning point of the Pacific war.


There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to 
get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent to 
the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies are like what 
would we expect in say an invasion from Cimmeria (an imaginary 
archipelogo somewhere to the north of Australia with a Military 
dominated expansionary Government)...


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Re: Menus not updating

2002-05-26 Thread Shaul Karl
> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 09:59:45PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> 
> > any package not supporting menu when it should (ie. almost any X app) is
> > violating policy.
> 
> The X apps do have this.  Console apps that previously did have menu
> entries are slowly dropping them for whatever reason, despite the fact
> that it would be reasonable to spawn an xterm and start it there.=20
> Examples off the top of my head on this one are mutt and tin.
> 
> --=20
> Baloo
> 


$ cat /usr/lib/menu/mutt 
?package(mutt):needs="text" section="Apps/Net" hints="Mail"\
  title="Mutt"\
  command="/usr/bin/mutt"
$

I don't use tin but the source package has tin-1.5.12.20020311/debian/tin.menu.

$ cat tin-1.5.12.20020311/debian/tin.menu 
?package(tin):needs="text" section="Apps/Net" hints="News"\
  title="rtin"\
  command="/usr/bin/rtin"
$

Both are from testing. 
According to http://packages.debian.org, the unstable packages of both apps 
have files in /usr/lib/menu and I tend to believe that they are identical to 
the files from testing. Are these files not satisfactory?
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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 06:49:50PM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote:
> Perhaps, if Email can be kept in a real database, then the client issues
> become more a matter of taste, as you posit.
> 
> Right now, I'd like to have my next move satisfy me for a couple more
> years, at least.  Basically, I'm a cli guy; but, x has gotten a lot
> prettier, &c.
> 
> Are there Email clients with database hooks?  mysql?  postgres?

Using a database is a good way to practically guarantee that at most one
mail client will ever be able to read it, I think. :)

Try one of the age-old standard formats instead. Berkeley mbox is dead
simple and supported by practically everything, although it has a few
problems (see another thread). There's also mh format and maildir. A
quick Google search or checking the documentation for various mail
clients should give you more information.

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Which Package To File This Bug Report Under?

2002-05-26 Thread Ajit George
Hello, 

I'm currently running Debian Unstable...  I'd like to report a bug
concerning a package but I'm a bit confused as to which package to file
it under. 

First, I don't think apt-get automatically logs its activities...  I can
find no mention of that in the man page.  Correct me if I am wrong
though.  I'd like the logs so I can put up the exact error messages I
got. 

I attempted to do an apt-get dist-upgrade and everything worked fine
until it attempted to: 

- install libsnmpkit2 (version 0.9-4).  Apt quit with an error saying
that it was trying to overwrite a .so installed by libsnmpkit1 
- So I tried to remove libsnmpkit1 and received another error, which was
pconf-detect(0.5-4) depended on libsnmpkit1 
-I tried to remove pconf-detect and got another error.  Couldn't remove
pconf-detect because it depended on libprinterconf0 (0.5-4) which
depended on libsnmpkit2 which wasn't installed yet 

I tried using apt-get -f install.  No dice. 

This appears to be the dependency sequence: 

pconf-detect

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ian D. Stewart

On 2002.05.26 20:05 John wrote:



There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to 
get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent 
to the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies are like 
what would we expect in say an invasion from Cimmeria (an imaginary 
archipelogo somewhere to the north of Australia with a Military 
dominated expansionary Government)...


Oh, that's nothing.  You should see what the Yanks do to folks they 
really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea').  
You wanna talk about bitter?  South Carolina's unofficial state motto 
is 'WE didn't surrender'



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Re: convert netscape/win32 Email to debian mail client ???

2002-05-26 Thread Jeffrey Chimene
> AFAIK, the file format for the Win32 and *nix versions of Netscape are

 > compatible.  So you should be able to move the file over to the woody
box
 > (many options to choose from here) and use either Netscape 4.x or
Mozilla
 > to read them.

I got bit trying to move from an Exchange server .pst file. Something
about encryption, password protection, whatever the reason it's entirely
opaque. You might want to export some messages as an interoperability
trial.

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power saving, etc..

2002-05-26 Thread Ross Tsolakidis
Title: power saving, etc..





Hi all,


Every 10 mins, my monitor basically switches off.
First I thought, the monitor was in power saving mode, checked the On Screen Display, and the powersaving mode is off.


So it must be X.
Any ideas ?


Thanks  :)


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Re: ddt-client

2002-05-26 Thread Scott Henson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 16:40, dman wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:36:01PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
> | On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 10:45, Rob Weir wrote:
> | > On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:28:26PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
> | > > I am trying to get a ddt acount up and running, but I am running into
> | > > some problems.  I have this D-link cable router (DI-704) that I have
> | > > between me and the internet.  I was wondering if anyone had experience
> | > > setting up ddt-client to update my ddt account through this router.  I
> | > > have tried both setting up the router to forward 1052 to my computer(I
> | > > dont know if it is trying to forward 1052/tcp or 1052/upd like it
> | > > should).  I also tried setting my computer as the dmz host, but nothing
> | > > seems to work like it should.  I am running a testing system with the
> | > > ddt-client from sid(0.5.6 if Im not mistaken).  Thanks for any help.
> | > 
> | > [I do use ddt, but I don't have cable, so I doubt I can help.]
> | > 
> | > Do you have a real IP, or is the cable router masquerading?
> | 
> | Its masquerading and Im using port forwarding.  What is weird is that my
> | smtp port is working because I can receive mail, but aparently the http
> | port is not working because people cannot access my web page.  I am
> | using adelphia cable as my ISP.  Im pretty much stumped on why smtp will
> | work, but http and ddt will not work.  Any ideas?
> 
> Does your ISP do any packet filtering?  Is there a host outside of
> your network you can use to test the connection at the TCP/UDP level?

I dont think it does, but I have to call them and find out for sure.  I
have friends who are outside my network, but most have windows boxes. 
If someone would volunteer to check it for me, I would be much
appreciative.  sandm.hn.org will get my ip address.  The only thing that
makes sense is that my isp is firewalling port 80 because of all those
IIS servers running and getting infected by worms.  The reason I think
this is cause smtp and pop get through just fine.  But that would make
no sense as to why 1052 would not work for ddt.  Any other ideas?

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Re: ddt-client

2002-05-26 Thread Scott Henson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 13:19, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:36:01PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
> > Its masquerading and Im using port forwarding.  What is weird is that my
> > smtp port is working because I can receive mail, but aparently the http
> > port is not working because people cannot access my web page.
> 
> What error do they get? Is there just no response at all, or do they get
> an HTTP error code? If the former, Apache may not be configured to
> listen on the masqueraded interface. If the latter, then Apache may (for
> example) be configured to use virtual hosts and may not recognize the
> particular Host: header they're sending.

No response is all they get.  And apache worked just fine from my home
using comcast as the ISP.  Im basically stumped.

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