Guessing the date style from the timezone for postgresql postinst

[Oliver Elphick]

In order to help remove unnecessary prompts from the Debian PostgreSQLl
installation script, I want it to guess the local date style, to be chosen
from the following list:

   Style  DateDatetime
   ---
   ISO1999-07-17  1999-07-17 07:09:18+01
   SQL17/07/1999  17/07/1999 07:09:19.00 BST
   POSTGRES   17-07-1999  Sat 17 Jul 07:09:19 1999 BST
   GERMAN 17.07.1999  17.07.1999 07:09:19.00 BST
   NONEURO07-17-1999  Sat Jul 17 07:09:19 1999 BST
   US 07-17-1999  Sat Jul 17 07:09:19 1999 BST
   EURO   17-07-1999  Sat 17 Jul 07:09:19 1999 BST

I propose to include the attached script. If the zone belongs to USA or
Canada, I use American format; if it belongs to another country I use
European format; if the country is unidentified I try to guess from
the zone abbreviation and its offset from UTC.  For zones which aren't based
on regional names I use ISO.

Are there any other countries besides USA and Canada which use American
datestyle?  Am I right in thinking that Canada does? 

If you have a recent potato system, with timezone files in
/usr/share/zoneinfo, could you please run the script and let me know if
it gives WRONG results for you.  If it does, please tell me your timezone
and offset (date '+%Z %z') and what the date style ought to be. If you
can suggest a change to the script that will get it right without breaking 
results for other countries, that will be even better!

Please do NOT tell me if it is RIGHT or I will be overwhelmed with mail!

If anyone wants to see the result for all timezones, this Bourne shell
fragment will do it:

 (cd /usr/share/zoneinfo;
 for TZ in `find * -type f ! -name '*.tab' ! -name localtime`
do echo -en `date '+%Z %z'`  \\t $TZ \\t
/tmp/guess.datestyle
 done |
awk '{printf "%7s %5s %40s %2s %s %s\n",$1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $6}' | 
less)

#! /bin/sh
# Guess the postgresql datestyle to use for a given timezone (from glibc)

# make sure we can find the timezone database
ZONEDIR=/usr/share/zoneinfo
if [ ! -d "$ZONEDIR" ]
then
echo "Sorry, I don't know where to find the timezone files; this
script expected to find them in $ZONEDIR"
exit 1
fi

# make sure TZ is set and exported
if [ -z "$TZ" ]
then
TZ=`date '+%Z'`
fi
export TZ

# find the timezone offset from UTC
tzno=`date '+%z'`

# Find the name of the zone - strip off unwanted header directories
x=`echo $TZ | cut -d/ -f1`
case $x in ( SystemV | posix | right )
x=`echo $TZ | cut -d/ -f2-4`
;;
* )
x=$TZ
;;
esac

# What country does this zone belong to (if undefined, set it to __)
tzcountry=`grep $x $ZONEDIR/zone.tab | head -1 | cut -c1-2` 
if [ -z "$tzcountry" ]
then
tzcountry=__
fi

# Guess the timezone
case $tzcountry in ( US | CA )
# US date format
# (I assume Canada uses US format)
GuessDateStyle=US
;;
DE )
# Germany has a style to itself
GuessDateStyle=GERMAN
;;
__ )
# No country, so see if the zone is a region or country name
x=$TZ
while echo $x | grep -q /
do
y=`dirname $x`
case $y in ( SystemV | posix | right )
y=`basename $x`
;;
esac
x=$y
done

case $x in ( Africa | Canada | Indian | Mexico | America | 
Chile | GB | Iran | Mideast | Antarctica | Cuba | Israel | NZ | Singapore | 
Arctic | Jamaica | Asia | Japan | Navajo | Turkey | Atlantic | Kwajalein | 
Australia | Egypt | Libya | US | Brazil | Eire | Pacific | Hongkong | Poland | 
Europe | Iceland | Portugal)
# try to guess the zone from the UTC offset and the
# zone abbreviation
if [ -z "$GuessDateStyle" ]
then
GuessDateStyle=EURO
# if the user has German locale, I assume
# he will want GERMAN style
if [ "$LANG" = de_DE ]
then
GuessDateStyle=GERMAN
elif [ $tzno -le -200 -a $tzno -gt -1200 ]
then
tzn=`date '+%Z'`
case $tzn in ( ADT | AST | AKDT | AKST 
| CDT | CST | EDT | EST | HADT | HAST | HST | MDT | MST | NDT | PDT | PST)
GuessDateStyle=US
;;
esac
fi

Re: multihost exim setup (general MTA question I guess)

[Mark M]

Hi,

On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:53:54PM -0400, Jonathan Lupa wrote:
> OK, this is pretty complicated to me, so the chance of me misspeaking is
> large. 

I'm no expert, so the same goes for me.
 
> What I want is the server to do the fetchmail durring ip-up and ip-down.
> That mail getting delivered to the servers MTA, and then the servers MTA
> to be smart enough to deliver appropriate mail to the workstation. Also,

Try using this in the servers exim.conf:

local_domains = *.mynetwork

> I need outbound mail on the workstation to keep going (maybe send it off
> to the server where it is spooled until ip-up, when it gets send out.

host_accept_relay = *.mynetwork   (again, in server's exim.comf)

As far as I understand what your after, you then want to run exim.conf
on your workstation and set it up as a `sattelite' system, so that
outgoing messages are sent to your server (this will also rewrite the
headers to say they are from server.mynetwork).

Also, you may want to read

http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue42/stumpel.html

I have rewritten the `outfilt' script that this URL talks about so that
the From: field is obtained from an email-alias file (clobbering the mail
reader's alias to guard against accidental changes). Also, the 
CC:'s and To: headers processing is a little more sophisticated to
ensure it will work under a variety of conditions. I will stick it on the 
web in a few days if anyone is interested.

HTH,

Mark.

Opening dynamic text file

[Mark M]

Hi,

Apols for the non debian specific Q, but I was hoping someone would
know how I could read in and process a file (a log file in this case),
and then when further lines are written read these without reloading
the whole file (performance considerations).

I thought that (using perl) continually open()ing the file without
close()ing would do the trick as the line number is not reset, but this
didn't work.

Any ideas? (or shouldn't log files be abused in this manner?)

Thanks,

Mark.

PS. Any language: python, perl, C ... - it doesn't matter.
(Well possibly with the exception of Miranda:)

Re: multihost exim setup (general MTA question I guess)

[Mark M]

Whoops, should have said

local_domains = localhost:*.mynetwork 

in server's exim.conf

Cheers,

Mark.

Re: ethernet configuration

[Phil Brutsche]

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Stephen Monroe wrote:

> Hello,
> I'm having trouble getting my ethernet to work properly.  I'm in a dorm room 
> at a university that supplies ethernet and I KNOW it worked last year.  I'm 
> dual booted and I used my winmodem in Win98 over the summer (and 
> unsuccessfully tried to configure it for Linux).  This is all I can think 
> that would have disturbed the ethernet configuration.
> 
> The driver is "tulip" and it's a Netgear card.
> Here's what I've done so far (at the advice of others):
> I did "modprobe tulip" and then "dhcpcd eth0", but that still didn't solve 
> the problem.  Neither commands returned anything.
> 
> my /etc/init.d/network file contians:
> #! /bin/sh
> ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
> route add -net 127.0.0.0
> 
> The lights on my card are actually lit up and blinking,(supposedly showing 
> data transmission, I think) but I can't ping any servers or anything.
This is how I've been able to sucessfully use DHCP with Debian slink.  I
use version 2.0 of ISC's DHCP client
(http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/DHCP/index.phtml).  Unfortunately,
there aren't any .debs available for this version, and I wouldn't trust
what's the version of dhclient included in Debian, so you'll have to
compile it from source.  Here's the /etc/dhclient.conf that I use:

send host-name ;
request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, routers, domain-name, 
domain-name-servers;
script "/etc/dhclient-script";

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How does it...

[Fredrick Schmitt]

Is the setup text based or graphial? What are the extra features this
opperating system has over my RH6 box? What system would be the
cheeziest I could run it on?

Re: How does it...

[Seth R Arnold]

Text-based.

The extra features are multiple -- the package management is by far the best
I have ever seen in any product. (I haven't tried FreeBSD yet, though.. I
hear it is nice too. :)

The updates are far more often. (Security patches are released within hours
of finding the problems..)

There are far more debian developers than redhat developers -- meaning each
package gets more attention that their red-hat counterpart, as well as
updated more often.

Debian is not without its downsides though. I have yet to find them,
however. (teehee! ;)

As for the cheeziest, I hear doritos are the cheeziest. (Actually, what did
you mean? :)

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 08:47:19PM -0500, Fredrick Schmitt wrote:
> Is the setup text based or graphial? What are the extra features this
> opperating system has over my RH6 box? What system would be the
> cheeziest I could run it on?
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] How to make a "critical section" in user program?

[John Hasler]

Wojciech writes:
> I agree, but what about the root's processes?

Root's special status extends only to file access.

> Well, but in the kernel I can't use the "write(ComFd,&c,1)".  Am I wrong?
> (I hope I've missed something)

Write a device driver and put your critical section in it.  Run the rest of
the program in user space and call the driver when you need to do the
critical stuff.
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Re: How does it...

[NatePuri]

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 08:47:19PM -0500, Fredrick Schmitt wrote:
> Is the setup text based or graphial? What are the extra features this
> opperating system has over my RH6 box? What system would be the
> cheeziest I could run it on?

Oh boy, you have hit a nerve.  You will get quite a lot of responses here.

First of all, you can run debian 2.1 (slink) and potato on something as
small as a 386 if you wanted a minimal install.

What debian offers over redhat is the following (from my point of view)

1.  More secure.  Debian has a lot more security bug fixes, and is arguable
the most secure linux.
2.  Internet upgrades work.  Apt-get utility makes upgrading over the internet
a dream come true.  Simply type 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' 
   and all updated packages will be downloaded and installed.
3.  Dependencies resolved.  You will not get error messages that rpm gives
you when a dependency is not met.  Instead the apt-get utility will
resolve all dependencies and download an install in the order of 
dependencies.  For example, 'apt-get install navigator-smotif-451'
will download libc5, xlib4g, and all the other debian packages that
netscape requires.  It doesn't get any better than that.  If there
is a missing dependency; which does happen, usually 'apt-get -f install'
and 'dpkg --configure -a' will download missing dependencies and
configure the unconfigured software.
4.  Menu integration.  When ever you install an X app dpkg will update
your menus in all you window managers. Whether you use KDE, GNOME,
icewm or fvwm your menus will always reflect the packages you have
installed. No hand editing of menu scripts needed.
5.  Fully scriptable.  Just like slack or BSD or RH, Debian does not take
the config files away from you.  If you want to manually edit
config files, there is no problem.
6.  Real install scripts.  Debian packages are the highest quality, when you
install, say, squid, the install script will prompt you to enter
basic settings so that it will work right after the install.  
7.  No distribution mangling.  When you want to get rid of something
'apt-get remove package' will remove the package and the dependencies
that are no longer in use by another prog.  It's much harder to 
break your system.

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IPX woes-want old module and new kernel-possible?

[kaynjay]

Thanks to earlier suggestions about pinpointing the source of my kernel slowing
down... it is the ipx service causing problems.  While others have noted in
earlier posts ipx issues with the 2.2.x kernels, I found none which involved
a slowdown/lockup of the machine itself.  Don't know if this is a first...?

I would like to move up from 2.0.36.  Does anyone know if one of the higher 
versions has the ipx bug resolved?  

Also, I have a dilemma.  My token-ring card (Olicom) will compile into the
2.2.9 kernel, but the patch fails on higher versions.  Their suggestion to
patch 2.2.9 for olicom, then use the kernel patches to raise 2.2.9 up higher 
also failed.  So I thought about this:

How about compiling the driver as a module, then recompiling the
kernel at the 2.2.12(13?) level with solely token ring support built in.
Then use it with the module.  Or is this totally brainless?  (Mind you that
I plead ignorance based on being a chemist, not a comp. scientist. ;)

Kenward

login failed --> critical error - immediate abort

[John Bagdanoff]

Hello

I'm running the latest potato.  I rebooted my box this morning and I got
the error after logging in (as root & as user):

critical error - immediate abort

I noticed a bug report filed about this, and so I downgraded login from
stable, and now I'm able to login.  Before I run another apt-get
upgrade, I wanted to see if anyone else had this problem and what the
solution is besides using login from stable.

John Bagdanoff  
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* Linux users:   Move up to Debian *

Free version of maildir2mbox?

[Brian May]

Hello,

Is there any DFSG free versions of maildir2mbox, included with qmail?

This program converts $HOME/Maildir/ into $HOME/Mailbox, to allow use
of Maildir, even if individual programs (eg pine, nmh) do not support
Maildir format.

(...or please correct me if pine and/or nmh do support Maildir!)

Thanks in advance,
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Re: login failed --> critical error - immediate abort

[Seth R Arnold]

I am too proud of my uptime to reboot, but switching to a different VC and
logging in worked for me, and I think I saw login upgraded when I upgraded
earlier today.

Out of curiousity though, how on earth did you downgrade login when you
couldn't log in??

:)

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 07:45:50PM -0700, John Bagdanoff wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I'm running the latest potato.  I rebooted my box this morning and I got
> the error after logging in (as root & as user):
> 
> critical error - immediate abort
> 
> I noticed a bug report filed about this, and so I downgraded login from
> stable, and now I'm able to login.  Before I run another apt-get
> upgrade, I wanted to see if anyone else had this problem and what the
> solution is besides using login from stable.
> 
> John Bagdanoff  
> -- 
> 
> 
> * Window users:  Move up to Linux  * 
> * Linux users:   Move up to Debian *
> 
> 
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Re: correct way to move /usr to a new partition..

[rich]

> > I have decided that I need more room for my Slink system... my 1GB linux
> > partition that stores my entire system is now over 80% full... I was
> > thinking of using another empty 1GB partition (/dev/hdb1 - currently
> > mounted as /linux2a) for /usr. My thinking is:
> > 
> > 1. as root, cp -r -p /usr /linux2a
> > 2. change fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 as /usr (with options set to
> > "defaults, errors=remount -ro" ???)
> > 3. rm /usr
> 
> I am more cautious -- I would rename /usr to /old_usr rather than delete it.
> No need to paint yourself into a corner you can avoid.. delete it after a
> few days of it running perfectly. :)


That's a good suggestion - my question is: is there a linux utility to
compare directories / files to see if they are the same? Seems like I've
heard of one, but can't remember...

Re: To the Debian Project, IMHO

[Nitebirz]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Simon Martin wrote:

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> 
> Ok, so this is my 2 cents worth.
> 
> GUI utilities are ok, command line utilities are ok, simple dialogs
> are ok, this is not the issue. The real issue is not to fall into the
> Microsoft or RedHat paradigm. 

Please, do not compare the two.  I run Red Hat, Debian, SuSE and FreeBSD,
and I truly believe the Red Hat guys do not deserve these criticism.  If
you run Red Hat you can use both the GUI interface or the command line
utilities, just like in any other flavor of Unix (and I am including
Solaris here too).  


> This is a flavour of Unix, Unix is not
> trivial, Unix is a fairly mature fully featured operating system and
> you have to know at least a little about what you are doing and be
> prepared to read the manual before you do something useful.
> 

That's fine.  However, many other users may just want to run a stable,
efficient OS that they have not had a chance to run so far.  I do not see
why we should limit ourselves to the "techies" or "geeks" of the world,
especially since many corporations as well as small and midsize businesses
could also benefit from running Linux as long as we also make it easy
enough for them to get the basic configuration up and running.

> IMHO one of the reasons that there is a contest between NT and Linux
> is that Microsoft said that NT was so simple to install and use,
> unfortunately tuning and other administrative tasks can be a real
> pain. Linux never made any bones about the fact that you have to
> learn to be able to use it. It's not out of the box and run. I think
> that the efforts to dumb down the operating system and say that
> anyone can use it would hurt the Linux image, maybe irreparably.
> 

I disagree here.  The main reason why there is a contest between WinNT and
Linux is not due to customer disappointment at how difficult WinNT is to
set up or run.  Rather, the main cause is the lack of stability and
scalability of that other OS.  Add to that the strings attached to a
commercial OS manufactured by a semi-monopolistic company, and you have
all the ingredients you need for people to dislike WinNT.

> Apart from that all real computer enthusiasts are masochists any way.
> Tell someone that this is a system that only real men can use (sorry
> about the sexist remark but "real people" does not convey the same
> meaning) and you'll have them fighting to get at it (how do you think
> I started) and have a real sense of achievement when they manage to
> get the system to boot, and now PPP, and now bind, and now sendmail,
> and now ...

Again I disagree here.  I do not think we are able to decide who is and
who is not a "real" computer enthusiast.  This is starting to sound like
those inquisitors back in the 1950's trying to decide who was a "good
American".  

In any case, I also doubt that the best route for Linux is to convert it
into an exclusive property of computer hobbysts.  No matter how much wemay
dislike it, that is not our decision to make.  In our societies, it is the
market the one that usually makes those decisions.

> 
> Let Microsoft take the bashing from users who do not WANT to know.
> Stay just that little bit above the rest. Have all the tools in any
> and every form. Drag'n Drop is good, but so is rcp.
> 
> And now it's back to work.
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Re: login failed --> critical error - immediate abort

[John Bagdanoff]

Hi Seth,
Sorry, didn't mean to send to you directly, twice no less :{

Seth R Arnold wrote:
> 
> I am too proud of my uptime to reboot, but switching to a different VC and
> logging in worked for me, and I think I saw login upgraded when I upgraded
> earlier today.

I did try the other VCs but still got the same error.  I, too saw the
login upgraded before my ill-fated bootup, and I thought that was the
problem.

> 
> Out of curiousity though, how on earth did you downgrade login when you
> couldn't log in??

I was able to login in single user mode (guess I shoulda mentioned
that).

John

> 
> :)
> 
> On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 07:45:50PM -0700, John Bagdanoff wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > I'm running the latest potato.  I rebooted my box this morning and I got
> > the error after logging in (as root & as user):
> >
> > critical error - immediate abort
> >
> > I noticed a bug report filed about this, and so I downgraded login from
> > stable, and now I'm able to login.  Before I run another apt-get
> > upgrade, I wanted to see if anyone else had this problem and what the
> > solution is besides using login from stable.
> >
> > John Bagdanoff
> > --
> >
> > 
> > * Window users:  Move up to Linux  *
> > * Linux users:   Move up to Debian *
> > 
> >
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Re: Opening dynamic text file

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 11:01:20AM +1000, Mark M wrote:
> Apols for the non debian specific Q, but I was hoping someone would
> know how I could read in and process a file (a log file in this case),
> and then when further lines are written read these without reloading
> the whole file (performance considerations).

  Maybe you want to open the file as a pipe from tail -f. Something
  like:

  open LOG, "tail -f ) {
$quit = myprocess $_; # process the line...
}
last if $quit;
sleep 5; # or some length of time
  }

  You might check the tail man page for other options that could be
  useful. 
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Re: Guessing the date style from the timezone for postgresql postinst

[Nicolás Lichtmaier]

>Style  DateDatetime
>---
>ISO1999-07-17  1999-07-17 07:09:18+01
>SQL17/07/1999  17/07/1999 07:09:19.00 BST
>POSTGRES   17-07-1999  Sat 17 Jul 07:09:19 1999 BST
>GERMAN 17.07.1999  17.07.1999 07:09:19.00 BST
>NONEURO07-17-1999  Sat Jul 17 07:09:19 1999 BST
>US 07-17-1999  Sat Jul 17 07:09:19 1999 BST
>EURO   17-07-1999  Sat 17 Jul 07:09:19 1999 BST
> 
> I propose to include the attached script. If the zone belongs to USA or
> Canada, I use American format; if it belongs to another country I use
> European format; if the country is unidentified I try to guess from
> the zone abbreviation and its offset from UTC.  For zones which aren't based
> on regional names I use ISO.
> 
> Are there any other countries besides USA and Canada which use American
> datestyle?  Am I right in thinking that Canada does? 

 Argentina uses dd/mm/yy, not dd-mm-yy.

berolist mail-list server

[Ben Messinger]

I am trying to get the mailing-list server "berolist" working. Setting
it up includes adding aliases such as:

listname : "|/usr/sbin/list listname"

So you see that mail sent to "listname" gets piped to the program
/usr/sbin/list , or at least that is what is suppose to happen. When I
do send mail to listname it doesn't get delivered. When I try to flush
the mail que with "runq" I see messages such as:

V 1999-09-17 22:06:25 11S7dL-00039J-00 Neither the system_aliases
director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
|/usr/sbin/list news

So, it says no uid was set. Is this a problem with my exim
configuration? How do I get a uid set? I am assuming this is the
problem. I have read the bug reports for berolist, one of which says
that permissions are wrong and to change /usr/sbin/list to SUID
lists.lists to make it work. Did I do this correctly by issuing the
commands:

# chown list.list /usr/sbin/list
# chmod u+s /usr/sbin/list

ls -l now shows:

-rwsr-xr-x   1 list list20620 Oct 14  1998 /usr/sbin/list

But I still get the same problem including the same message from runq.
Any thoughts? I would really like to get berolist working since it seems
just right for what I need. Majordomo or another full-feature list-serve
would be overkill for what I am doing, so I hope I don't have to resort
setting up one of them instead.

-Ben

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Re: Guessing the date style from the timezone for postgresql postinst

[Oliver Elphick]

Carey Evans wrote:
  >"Oliver Elphick"  writes:
  >
  >> If you have a recent potato system, with timezone files in
  >> /usr/share/zoneinfo, could you please run the script and let me know if
  >> it gives WRONG results for you.  If it does, please tell me your timezone
  >> and offset (date '+%Z %z') and what the date style ought to be. If you
  >> can suggest a change to the script that will get it right without breaking
  > 
  >> results for other countries, that will be even better!
  >
  >Given my normal environment, the script doesn't work out which country 
  >I'm in:
  >
 
Here's a revised version of the script taking into account all comments
so far.

Raul Miller wrote:
  >On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:20:13PM -0400, Joe Drew wrote:
  >> It's my personal preference that ISO standard be used unless otherwise
  >> told - but that's me.
  >
  >I tend to agree.  It would just be so simple to have the default be ISO.
  >
  >As ISO is very unambiguous, I don't think it would cause problems, either.
  >Then again, maybe someone else knows of problems it would create...

I agree that it would make things simpler, but I doubt that most people
would actually prefer it, because it isn't the way we naturally think of
dates.

Joe Drew wrote:
  >Canada is a very multicultural country, and it really is every
  >person for him- or herself.

That being so, it definitely makes sense to use ISO for Canada.

Of course, the installer can override the guess, but I like to guess as
close as possible.


#! /bin/sh
# Guess the postgresql datestyle to use for a given timezone (from glibc)

# make sure we can find the timezone database
ZONEDIR=`ls -l /etc/localtime | awk '{print $NF}' | cut -d/ -f1-4`
if [ ! -d "$ZONEDIR" ]
then
echo "Sorry, I don't know where to find the timezone files; this
script expected to find them in $ZONEDIR"
exit 1
fi

# make sure TZ is set and exported
if [ -z "$TZ" ]
then
TZ=`ls -l /etc/localtime | awk '{print $NF}' | cut -d/ -f5-10`
fi
export TZ

# find the timezone offset from UTC
tzno=`date '+%z'`

# Find the name of the zone - strip off unwanted header directories
x=`echo $TZ | cut -d/ -f1`
case $x in ( SystemV | posix | right )
x=`echo $TZ | cut -d/ -f2-4`
;;
* )
x=$TZ
;;
esac

# What country does this zone belong to (if undefined, set it to __)
tzcountry=`grep $x $ZONEDIR/zone.tab | head -1 | cut -c1-2` 
if [ -z "$tzcountry" ]
then
tzcountry=__
fi

# Guess the timezone
case $tzcountry in ( US )
# US date format
GuessDateStyle=US
;;
AR )
# Argentina
GuessDateStyle=SQL
;;
CA )
# Canada has no standard
GuessDateStyle=ISO
;;
DE )
# Germany has a style to itself
GuessDateStyle=GERMAN
;;
__ )
# No country, so see if the zone is a region or country name
x=$TZ
while echo $x | grep -q /
do
y=`dirname $x`
case $y in ( SystemV | posix | right )
y=`basename $x`
;;
esac
x=$y
done

case $x in ( Africa | Canada | Indian | Mexico | America | 
Chile | GB | Iran | Mideast | Antarctica | Cuba | Israel | NZ | Singapore | 
Arctic | Jamaica | Asia | Japan | Navajo | Turkey | Atlantic | Kwajalein | 
Australia | Egypt | Libya | US | Brazil | Eire | Pacific | Hongkong | Poland | 
Europe | Iceland | Portugal)
# try to guess the zone from the UTC offset and the
# zone abbreviation
if [ -z "$GuessDateStyle" ]
then
GuessDateStyle=EURO
if [ "$LANG" = de_DE ]
then
GuessDateStyle=GERMAN
elif [ $tzno -le -200 -a $tzno -gt -1200 ]
then
tzn=`date '+%Z'`
case $tzn in ( ADT | AST | AKDT | AKST 
| CDT | CST | EDT | EST | HADT | HAST | HST | MDT | MST | NDT | PDT | PST)
GuessDateStyle=US
;;
esac
fi
fi
;;
* )
# Not a country or region so use ISO
GuessDateStyle=ISO
;;
esac
;;
* )
# The rest of the world uses normal European format
Gue

Re: How does it...

[Rob Mahurin]

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 08:47:19PM -0500, Fredrick Schmitt wrote:
> What system would be the cheeziest I could run it on?

Unfortunately, you cannot run Debian on a block of cheese.  Work on a
cheese port is in progress, but is not even ready yet for the alpha
release.  Until then, you must run Debian on a computer.  That is,
however, about the only limitation.

Rob

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Re: Guessing the date style from the timezone for postgresql postinst

[Nicolás Lichtmaier]

> Here's a revised version of the script taking into account all comments
> so far.

 I guess Argentina isn't the only country that uses the SQL format. There
must be some others too. It would be great to find a source for this
information

ppp failure under debian (slakware with pppd 2.2 patch level 0 works)

[Robert . King]

Hi,
   I'm typing this from my old slackware install.  I connect on this
installation using cu -l /dev/cua1 then negotiating my way through my
ISP's login manually, then start pppd in another window, then quitting
from cu.  This worked fine whne this machine was a 486 and now works with
a new motherboard & cpu.  

I tried installing potato on the machine, and most things are going fine,
except that sound isn't working on the new setup, and ppp won't work on
it.  

I'm fairly sure that the serial conifg is OK, as I can get out with 
cu -l /dev/ttyS1, but when I try to start pppd, it complains about cu
having the serial line and won't let it at it.

As far as using pon, I get the following :


Aug  4 19:16:00 castle kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation) 
Aug  4 19:16:00 castle kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 199
5 Caldera, Inc. 
Aug  4 19:16:00 castle kernel: PPP line discipline registered. 
Aug  4 19:16:00 castle kernel: registered device ppp0 
Aug  4 19:16:00 castle pppd[620]: pppd 2.3.8 started by robert, uid 1000
Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (BUSY)
Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (VOICE)
Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE)
Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: send (ATZ^M)
Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: expect (OK)
Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: alarm
Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: send (AT^M)
Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: expect (OK)
Aug  4 19:17:31 castle chat[621]: alarm
Aug  4 19:17:31 castle chat[621]: Failed
Aug  4 19:17:32 castle pppd[620]: Exit.
Aug  4 19:18:00 castle kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully unregistere

One thing that concerned me was that the kernel messages from dmesg don't
mention the ppp0 device as happens on a working debian ppp machine I've seen.
The relevant part of dmesg looks like this 

PPP: version 2.3.7 (demand dialling)
PPP line discipline registered.

and that's it.

What is happening?

ppp is a kernel module and the same problem happens with kernels 
2.0.36 and 2.2.10 (from the debian packages)

Help!

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Re: Free version of maildir2mbox?

[Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo]

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Brian May wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Is there any DFSG free versions of maildir2mbox, included with qmail?
> 
> This program converts $HOME/Maildir/ into $HOME/Mailbox, to allow use
> of Maildir, even if individual programs (eg pine, nmh) do not support
> Maildir format.
> 
> (...or please correct me if pine and/or nmh do support Maildir!)

I don't know of any currently, but I am working (with a group of others)
on a library (libmailbox) for GNU mailutils that will support multiple
mailbox formats, including mbox and Maildir. When ready, such a change
should be almost trivial to do. Keep an eye out for it (Freshmeat is a
good place to watch).

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Re: su without password using libpam

[Andreas Kurth]

Ben Collins wrote:
> Ok correction on this. In the /etc/security/su.allow just put "root" (who 
> they are
> allowed to su to). and the add this line:
> 
> ###
> auth   sufficient pam_listfile.so onerr=fail sense=allow \
>   file=/etc/security/su.allow item=user apply=you
> ###
> 
> This applies the rul for "you" to be able to su to "root" without a password.

"apply=you" only makes sense in conjunction with the tty, rhost and
shell items, as stated in the docs. The above way, any user gets
passwordless root access, not only user "you".

The only way to manage this, is to set up a group wheel, use the
"auth   required   pam_wheel.so" line, add user "you" to group
wheel and do it the above way leaving out the "apply=you" option.


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Re: correct way to move /usr to a new partition..

[Seth R Arnold]

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:40:09PM -0500, rich wrote:
> 
> That's a good suggestion - my question is: is there a linux utility to
> compare directories / files to see if they are the same? Seems like I've
> heard of one, but can't remember...

$ apropos checksum
cksum (1)- checksum and count the bytes in a file
sum (1)  - checksum and count the blocks in a file
$ apropos md5
md5sum (1)   - generates or checks MD5 message digests
debsums (1)  - Check the md5sums of a package

(those are just a few of the md5 ones... :)

md5 is much nicer than the sum or cksum programs..

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Re: berolist mail-list server

[Steve Lamb]

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 10:45:31PM -0700, Ben Messinger wrote:
> V 1999-09-17 22:06:25 11S7dL-00039J-00 Neither the system_aliases
> director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
> |/usr/sbin/list news

Is list a trusted user in /etc/exim.conf?

trusted_users = mail:listar

Does the director specifically set the uid?

listar_aliases:
  driver = aliasfile
# >> Option added by convert4r3
  file_transport = address_file
# >> Option added by convert4r3
  pipe_transport = address_pipe
  file = /usr/lib/listar/aliases
  search_type = lsearch
  user = listar
  group = listar


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Dying services due to low memory?

[Ralf G. R. Bergs]

Hi there,

can anyone point me to a solution for the following problem?

I have several machines running as Internet servers, mainly FTP and HTTP. 
They're relatively low-end machines (P100 and 486-133 with 48 resp. 64 MB 
RAM.) Every couple of days I have to restart inetd or other stand-alone 
services (like syslogd, klogd, snmpd, apache.)

I'm pretty sure the reason why the processes fail is that memory usage is 
too high (it's *definitely* not due to memory problems, like failing RAM 
modules or overclocked CPUs.) Memory usage is permanently about 99%, swap 
usage only a few percent. But obviously processes are dying because they 
can't allocate "real" memory?!

Of course a work-around would be to reduce the no. of concurrent FTP users 
that I allow, but I cannot easily do that. I simply cannot accept that 
services die as easily as they do. Isn't there a way to prevent this? I need 
a high availability of my machines, and having to constantly check and 
possibly restart services is not acceptable. :-(

Thanks,

Ralf


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Re: Dying services due to low memory?

[Seth R Arnold]

Ralf, ugly as it is, you could have a cron job restart inetd every five
minutes. I have heard that there is a debian package to ensure that daemons
are always running, I have forgotten the name of course.

Perhaps you could check ebay, ubid, etc for used memory?


On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 11:17:13AM +0200, Ralf G. R. Bergs wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> can anyone point me to a solution for the following problem?
> 
> I have several machines running as Internet servers, mainly FTP and HTTP. 
> They're relatively low-end machines (P100 and 486-133 with 48 resp. 64 MB 
> RAM.) Every couple of days I have to restart inetd or other stand-alone 
> services (like syslogd, klogd, snmpd, apache.)
> 
> I'm pretty sure the reason why the processes fail is that memory usage is 
> too high (it's *definitely* not due to memory problems, like failing RAM 
> modules or overclocked CPUs.) Memory usage is permanently about 99%, swap 
> usage only a few percent. But obviously processes are dying because they 
> can't allocate "real" memory?!
> 
> Of course a work-around would be to reduce the no. of concurrent FTP users 
> that I allow, but I cannot easily do that. I simply cannot accept that 
> services die as easily as they do. Isn't there a way to prevent this? I need 
> a high availability of my machines, and having to constantly check and 
> possibly restart services is not acceptable. :-(
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
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Re: telnetd-ssl

[peter karlsson]

J.H.M. Dassen (Ray):

> Looks like the permissions on your ttyp devices are wrong; they should
> look like this:
> crw-rw-rw-   1 root tty3,   2 Mar 13  1999 /dev/ttyp2

Okay, I fixed that (it must've somehow forgot to reset them, because some
were owned by my own user accound, and had 620 permissions). But now all I
get is:


$ telnet dat95pkn
Trying 10.10.247.110...
Connected to dat95pkn.campus.mdh.se.
Escape character is '^]'.
Debian Linux/BSD/GNU/XFree86/etc potato (2.2) dat95pkn.campus.mdh.se
Connection closed by foreign host.


Ben Collins:
> Also could you check the version of the login package you have installed,
> I have another person who is having problems after upgrading to the latest
> potato version (19990827-#).

dpkg -s says:

Version: 980403-0.3.2

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latex

[Juli-Manel Merino Vidal]

Hi all,

where can I found a latex tutorial ?

Thanks.

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xemacs &

[Juli-Manel Merino Vidal]

Hi all,

I've a problem with the  key in xemacs. If I press  it does
the same as , so deleting the character before the cursor
position. It happens in the console and under X (but not with emacs,
that works fine). What I have to do to make work both keys ?
So,  deleting the current character and  to delete the 
character before the cursor position (this one works not).

Please, HELP. This is really annoying.

Thanks.

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Re: latex

[Seth R Arnold]

The canonical reference is a silly-looking book with a wierd cat on the
cover and such. It is written by a Leslie Lamport. (A quick google finds
this webpage:

http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/personal/Leslie_Lamport/home.html

Nice book. :)

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 11:59:06AM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> where can I found a latex tutorial ?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: Job in queue on hold, but not job in queue. Huh?!

[Laurent Martelli]

> "Kent" == Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Kent> I'm trying to set up printing on a Debian box to a remote
  Kent> printer. My printcap looks like: lp|hplj4l|HP Laserjet 4L:\

  Kent> 
:lp=/dev/null:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj4l:rm=:rp=hplj4l:\
  Kent> :sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:\
  Kent> :if=/etc/magicfilter/ljet4l-filter:\
  Kent> :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:

  Kent> If I try to print something (say, "lpr /etc/printcap"), and
  Kent> then do a "lpq", I get: Printer: lp@ 'HP
  Kent> Laserjet 4L' Queue: no printable jobs in queue

What version of lprng are you using ? There was a bug in potato for a
couple of days, but it has been fixed. If you're on potato, try
upgrade to the latest version of lprng.

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dselect error

[Andrew Hately]

Kenneth Litko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok, I keep getting this error from dselect
> and it is driving me nuts.  Here's
> the error:
> 
> > internal error - no filename at -e line 12,  chunk 13
> >
> > installation script returned error status 1.
> > Press RETURN to continue.


Me too, except I get it at chunk 28.

I've got a heterogenious network at home with a sparc station 2 and some
x86 machines. (40 bogomips on the sparc, but it feels like a lot fewer.)
I bought a couple of slink distributions from tree.uk.com and merged
them on my file server and am attempting to install from there. The
200MB disk X-server-only sparc installed OK, and my 200MB disk 486
router-only installed OK. When I try to install on my 'main' machine I
get the above failure message. Installing from the CDs seems to work
better though the failure occurs in an as yet unpredictable way. On my
fourth attempt to get it going I reinstalled everything, selected a
minimal initial configuration, and then began selecting packages one by
one and installing them. All went well till I selected apache which
depends on a slew of other stuff - I suspect one of the .deb's is
corrupt - but as soon as the install method tries to install the twenty
or so files, it falls over with the above.
I've looked at the dselect and dpkg documentation and am curious to look
inside /var/lib/dpkg/methods to see if I can turn on some kind of
debugging flag to get some slightly more useful output from the "mounted
install" method. However I don't know any perl (yet) so I might not be
able to achieve much.
Anyone else seen this?
Anoyone got a clue whats going wrong?
Anyone recommend a "learning perl" book for a busy software engineer
with a strong regard for Ada and a very low opinion of c, c++, java, apl
and other languages which accept bursts of line noise as syntactically
valid.
thanks in advance
Andrew

silly sendmail question

[add|ct|on]

Greetings...

I know I'm going to get a lot of responses to the tone of "read the how-to" or 
"check the archives" but I have to post my question anyway, as I have done both 
and I'm still clueless.

My question is this: I do not have a domain of my own, and connect to the net 
via PPP. I use sendmail when I'm in text mode (which honestly I prefer over 
X-Windows), and for months I've been trying to figure out how (or if) I can 
make my sender address stop looking like this:

From:(Morpheus is, of course, my "hostname", or what I named my 
computer.)

It would be nice if sendmail would report me as either my actual email address 
through my isp, or as the one I use to mail to this list (an iname account). 
The problem is of course I can't figure out how to change how sendmail reports 
me as sender, and hell I don't even know if it's possible. If it is, someone 
please tell me how? I'd appreciate it a great deal.

TIA,
addiction

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netscape: booksmarks have changed

[Remco van 't Veer]

Hi,

Some weirdness..  Today I upgraded to navigator-46 (from netgod).
Netscape reports, every 2 minutes or so, that the bookmarks are
changed and are being reloaded.  I've seen this before (after my
previous upgrade?), ignored it and it went away..  but curiosity
remains..  Does anybody know what is causing this?

Regards,
Remco


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Re: Dying services due to low memory?

[Ralf G. R. Bergs]

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:31:44 -0700, Seth R Arnold wrote:

>>[...]
>> RAM.) Every couple of days I have to restart inetd or other stand-alone 
>> services (like syslogd, klogd, snmpd, apache.)
>>[...]
>Ralf, ugly as it is, you could have a cron job restart inetd every five
>minutes. I have heard that there is a debian package to ensure that daemons
>are always running, I have forgotten the name of course.

Well, this *is* ugly indeed. I'd rather fix the reason, not the symptom. :-)

I mean I can't believe that there isn't an "elegant" way to stop *already 
running* processes from dying(sp?) because of memory shortage.

>Perhaps you could check ebay, ubid, etc for used memory?

Sorry, it took me a minute to understand what you are suggesting. My first 
thought was "I've never heard about these programs." :-)))

I don't think that's an option. I have a very limited budget and already 
spent much more than I originally wanted to spend.

Also, it's a matter of principle: We're talking about Linux, not Windoze, 
ok? So why can't the machine just run, even under memory shortages? There's 
lots of free swap space available, I don't understand why that doesn't 
suffice to keep the processes running?

Before I had that many FTP users on one of the machines, I had the machine 
running for half a year without a single reboot or me having to restart 
services. Now sometimes I have to restart inetd twice a day. If I hadn't 
sshd running which fortunately doesn't die I even had to drive a mile or two 
to fix the machine. :-(

Any other idea? Pointers to "watchdog" programs that restart services?


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Re: ppp failure under debian (slakware with pppd 2.2 patch level 0 works)

[John Hasler]

> I'm fairly sure that the serial conifg is OK, as I can get out with cu -l
> /dev/ttyS1, but when I try to start pppd, it complains about cu having
> the serial line and won't let it at it.

Odd.  I just tried cu on this system and it complains that the line is in
use.  Pon works fine.  Is there anything in /var/lock?  This might be a bug
in cu.

> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: send (ATZ^M)
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: expect (OK)
> Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: alarm
> Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: send (AT^M)
> Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: expect (OK)
> Aug  4 19:17:31 castle chat[621]: alarm
> Aug  4 19:17:31 castle chat[621]: Failed

Your modem is failing to respond.  What happens when you send it 'ATZ' from
cu?  

Please post your /etc/chatscripts/provider and /etc/ppp/peers/provider files.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Configurare la schda video

[r.mattei]

Ho una scheda video s3virge agp con chipset non supportato e non riesco
a configurare xwindow. C'è un upgrade, o qualcosa che possa fare??

Grazie

Re: su without password using libpam

[Ben Collins]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:44:58AM +0200, Andreas Kurth wrote:
> Ben Collins wrote:
> > Ok correction on this. In the /etc/security/su.allow just put "root" (who 
> > they are
> > allowed to su to). and the add this line:
> > 
> > ###
> > auth   sufficient pam_listfile.so onerr=fail sense=allow \
> > file=/etc/security/su.allow item=user apply=you
> > ###
> > 
> > This applies the rul for "you" to be able to su to "root" without a 
> > password.
> 
> "apply=you" only makes sense in conjunction with the tty, rhost and
> shell items, as stated in the docs. The above way, any user gets
> passwordless root access, not only user "you".
> 
> The only way to manage this, is to set up a group wheel, use the
> "auth   required   pam_wheel.so" line, add user "you" to group
> wheel and do it the above way leaving out the "apply=you" option.

It shouldn't according to the docs (yes I read that particular caveat, but
the logic is still there for it to work). For passwordless access, you could
make the pam_wheel.so module "sufficient" which means that belonging to the
group "root" gives them access to su without a password.

Ben

labels

[eric k. wolven]

Greetings:

I am running potato with an hpdeskjet 540c installed as my printer.

I would like  to find out how to print labels under Debian linux.

I am a hobbyist bee-keeper and give labeled honey  jars to friends.
Last year I printed my labels under a windows program but want to use
debian to print this year.  (I also don't have windows installed
anymore. :>)


Thanks for any help you can give me.


Eric Wolven

Re: telnetd-ssl

[Ben Collins]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 11:50:06AM +0200, peter karlsson wrote:
> J.H.M. Dassen (Ray):
> 
> > Looks like the permissions on your ttyp devices are wrong; they should
> > look like this:
> > crw-rw-rw-   1 root tty3,   2 Mar 13  1999 /dev/ttyp2
> 
> Okay, I fixed that (it must've somehow forgot to reset them, because some
> were owned by my own user accound, and had 620 permissions). But now all I
> get is:
> 
> 
> $ telnet dat95pkn
> Trying 10.10.247.110...
> Connected to dat95pkn.campus.mdh.se.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> Debian Linux/BSD/GNU/XFree86/etc potato (2.2) dat95pkn.campus.mdh.se
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> 
> 
> Ben Collins:
> > Also could you check the version of the login package you have installed,
> > I have another person who is having problems after upgrading to the latest
> > potato version (19990827-#).
> 
> dpkg -s says:
> 
> Version: 980403-0.3.2

Ok, just wanted to make sure it wasn't a problem with the new login package. I'm
not sure what the situation is with telnet-ssl now.

Ben

Re: silly sendmail question

[Allan K. Neal]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 07:32:38AM -0400, add|ct|on wrote:
> Greetings...
> 
> I know I'm going to get a lot of responses to the tone of "read the how-to" 
> or "check the archives" but I have to post my question anyway, as I have done 
> both and I'm still clueless.
> 
> My question is this: I do not have a domain of my own, and connect to the net 
> via PPP. I use sendmail when I'm in text mode (which honestly I prefer over 
> X-Windows), and for months I've been trying to figure out how (or if) I can 
> make my sender address stop looking like this:
> 
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Morpheus is, of course, my "hostname", or what I named my 
> computer.)
> 
> It would be nice if sendmail would report me as either my actual email 
> address through my isp, or as the one I use to mail to this list (an iname 
> account). The problem is of course I can't figure out how to change how 
> sendmail reports me as sender, and hell I don't even know if it's possible. 
> If it is, someone please tell me how? I'd appreciate it a great deal.
> 
> TIA,
> addiction
I have run across this problem too.  In the /etc/mail/sendmail.mc file you
need to include a couple of features.  

Here is a copy of my sendmail.mc file.

divert(-1)
#
# Copyright (c) 1983 Eric P. Allman
# Copyright (c) 1988, 1993
#   The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.
#
# Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
# modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
# are met:
# 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
#notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
# 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
#notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
#documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
# 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software
#must display the following acknowledgement:
#   This product includes software developed by the University of
#   California, Berkeley and its contributors.
# 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributors
#may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software
#without specific prior written permission.
#
# THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND
# ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
# IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
# ARE DISCLAIMED.  IN NO EVENT SHALL THE REGENTS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE
# FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL
# DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS
# OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION)
# HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT
# LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY
# OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
# SUCH DAMAGE.
#

#
# This file is used to configure sendmail for use with Debian systems.
#

divert(0)
VERSIONID(`@(#)sendmail.mc  8.9.1a (Linux) 19981026')
OSTYPE(debian)dnl
LOCAL_CONFIG
define(`SMART_HOST', smtp:my.isp.net)dnl
FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
FEATURE(allmasquerade)dnl
FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl
FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl
FEATURE(nouucp)dnl
define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `12h')dnl
MAILER_DEFINITIONS
MAILER(procmail)dnl
MAILER(smtp)dnl

FEATURE(accept_unresolvable_domains)


LOCAL_CONFIG
MASQUERADE_AS(usu.edu)dnl

## Custom configurations below (will be preserved)
define(`RELAY_HOST', smtp:my.isp.net)dnl
define(`RELAY_MAILER', TCP)dnl
MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`MyHostname.something')dnl
FEATURE(nocanonify)dnl
FEATURE(local_procmail)dnl

The Masquerade options tells sendmail what to pretend to be to the outside
world.  My machine is then masqueraded as my.isp.net and MyHostname.something
is never seen by the outside world.  I have also found that your hostname
needs to be hostname.something otherwise sendmail will say cannot cononify
own domain name, and take forever to actually send mail.

Hope this helps.

Allan
-- 
Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to.

Re: labels

[Anthony Campbell]

On 18 Sep 1999, eric k. wolven wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> I am running potato with an hpdeskjet 540c installed as my printer.
> 
> I would like  to find out how to print labels under Debian linux.
> 
> I am a hobbyist bee-keeper and give labeled honey  jars to friends.
> Last year I printed my labels under a windows program but want to use
> debian to print this year.  (I also don't have windows installed
> anymore. :>)
> 
> 

I've done this using latex. It takes quite a time to get the template
set up correctly but once you've done that you can print labels
indefinitely.

Anthony


-- 
Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.1 (Windows-free zone)
Book Reviews: http://www.achc.demon.co.uk/bookreviews/

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on..."   - Edward Fitzgerald (Rubaiat of Omar Khayyam)

Re: How does it...

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 20:26:35 -0700, NatePuri wrote:
> 4.  Menu integration.  When ever you install an X app dpkg will update
> your menus in all you window managers. Whether you use KDE, GNOME,
> icewm or fvwm your menus will always reflect the packages you have
> installed. No hand editing of menu scripts needed.

I'd add a 4b here: MIME integration. Packages keep your /etc/mailcap current
so your mailer, webbrowser etc. always know what MIME types your system can
handle.

Ray
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J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR  Believe all you hear. Your world may  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  | not be a better one than the one the blocks   
  | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid.  
  | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan  

Re: ppp failure under debian (slakware with pppd 2.2 patch level 0 works)

[Jesse Jacobsen]

On 09/18/99 at 17:06:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote concerning "ppp failure under 
debian (slakware with pppd 2.2 patch level 0 works)":
> Hi,
>I'm typing this from my old slackware install.  I connect on this
> installation using cu -l /dev/cua1 then negotiating my way through my
> ISP's login manually, then start pppd in another window, then quitting
> from cu.  This worked fine whne this machine was a 486 and now works with
> a new motherboard & cpu.  

I wonder if you've set up Debian to use /dev/cua1.  It should use
/dev/ttyS1 instead, since the cua- "callout" devices are being phased
out.

-- 
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Grace Lutheran Church (ELS) http://www.jvlnet.com/~jjacobsen/
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KDEDIR and KDE 1.1.2

[Pollywog]

I have KDEDIR set to /usr/bin/X11

I installed KDE 1.1.2 in this order (source, not Debian packages):

kdesupport
kdelibs
kdebase
all the other packages

The problems is that my menus do not work; only my desktop icons bring up
the apps they should bring up.  Should I have KDEDIR set to /usr/bin/X11 or
is that a mistake?

I am running Potato

--
Andrew

-
GnuPG Public KeyID: 0x48109681

Re: hi i got a question

[Craig B]

Scott Henry wrote:



> Medium answer:
> 
> WinModem (and other Win* hardware) is a really stupid idea:
> cripple the hardware to save a few manufacturing bucks.
> 


And unless you have a pretty fast system, you take a big performance hit
too.  What a rip-off.

Re: How does it...

[Fredrick Schmitt]

You knew what I meant. What is the most gutless system I could run it on
(weakest processor)?

Rob Mahurin wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 08:47:19PM -0500, Fredrick Schmitt wrote:
> > What system would be the cheeziest I could run it on?
> 
> Unfortunately, you cannot run Debian on a block of cheese.  Work on a
> cheese port is in progress, but is not even ready yet for the alpha
> release.  Until then, you must run Debian on a computer.  That is,
> however, about the only limitation.
> 
> Rob
> 
> --
> "Buy land.  They've stopped making it."
> -- Mark Twain

Re: undelete for partition tables?

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Tom Pfeifer wrote:

> Instead of me trying to cover every possible detail now (which is
> impossible anyway), I suggest you try following my procedure and try to
> account for the differences in your situation as you do it. If you have
> specific questions or problems, feel free to ask. If you really want to
> do this, you are going to have to get into this up to your eyeballs
> anyway  - I can only try to get you started.
> 

Owing to work, we were unable to work on this until Friday evening but I'm
happy to report at least partial success.  My colleague bought Norton
System Works 2000, the latest version.  The version of DiskEdit in there
does support >8GB drives.  It also has a menu command for linking in a
partition that safely adds it into the partition table for you.  Any way
the root partition was toasted.  But apart from the files in /etc it
didn't have anything much that  couldn't be replaced.  The all-important
/home partition came through fine. /var seemed to be fine when mounted
read-only but when I tried to mount it read-write, the kernel complained
that the ext2 file system had unsupported options.  In the end what I did
was to tar it up, erase and remake the filesystem and recopy the files
again.  Now the only remaining problem is the /usr partition.  On trying
to mount it I get:

mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda6,
   or too many mounted file systems

e2fsck has a -b option that will restore the superblock from backups that
are kept throughout the file system but you have to give it the number of
a sector which contains one.  Do you know what the signature of a
superblock should be?

If worst comes to worst we will just blow it away and reinstall.  There is
nothing in /usr that can't be replaced.

-- 
Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: silly sendmail question

[Rob Mahurin]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 07:32:38AM -0400, add|ct|on wrote:
> Greetings...
>
> I know I'm going to get a lot of responses to the tone of "read the
> how-to" or "check the archives" but I have to post my question
> anyway, as I have done both and I'm still clueless.
>
>  My question is this: I do not have a domain of my own, and connect
> to the net via PPP. I use sendmail when I'm in text mode (which
> honestly I prefer over X-Windows), and for months I've been trying
> to figure out how (or if) I can make my sender address stop looking
> like this:
>
>  From: 
>  (Morpheus is, of course, my "hostname", or
> what I named my computer.)
>

I tried to do exactly this for a long time and never could get it to
work right.  About the time I figured it out how to do it, I
discovered mutt, and never looked back.  Since then, I've reinstalled
sendmail, and I'm not sure if my solution works any more.

The solution that I used (and that I'm about to try again, now that
you've reminded me) is in the sendmail FAQ at
http://www.sendmail.org/faq/ .  I think it's question 3.2.

The solution that I use now is mutt.  It took me about a day to learn
to appreciate mutt, and now I use it even when (if) I'm in X.

HTH

Rob

-- 
I tried the clone syscall on me, but it didn't work.
-- Mike Neuffer trying to fix a serious time problem

Re: hi i got a question

[Pollywog]

> 
> 
>> Medium answer:
>> 
>> WinModem (and other Win* hardware) is a really stupid idea:
>> cripple the hardware to save a few manufacturing bucks.
>> 
> 

Maybe stupid today, but when modems were expensive, it made it possible for
people to have a high-speed modem at low cost.

--
Andrew

Re: undelete for partition tables?

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Laurent PICOULEAU wrote:

> Lo?c Prylli posted a C programm on the newsgroup fr.comp.os.linux some 2
> years ago to detect an ext2 partition that can help to solve Jaldhar's 
> problem.
> This programm can be found on  but I don't know
> the exact URL. If you can't find it, I have a copy of it
> 

I was unable to find this program.  Doing a web search, I did find one
called gpart but I would like to look at the program you mention too.
Then I will package whichever one is better for Debian.

So please send me the location or a copy if you can.  

-- 
Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: PCMCIA (?) Ethernet problem

[Craig B]

"Ingles, Raymond" wrote:
> 
>  I'm installing Debian 2.1 onto a Zenith "Z*Star EX", a 486/50MHz
> laptop w/8MB RAM and a 300MB HD. 



Sorry I don't have any technical help to offer you on this. But I would
like to tell you this; 

The very first time I installed Linux, in '95, was on one of those
machines your are using.  I had such problems with the installation that
I gave up and didn't install again until a few months later on a
home-built machine where I had no problems.  The shop where I worked, at
the time, was using Z stations and inevitably replaced all of them with
Gatway computers because these systems were so problematic just running
Windows.  

What Fiat was to the automotive industry Zenith is to the computer
industry.  Hopefully, for the sake of consumers, they are not making
computers anymore.

Re: To the Debian Project, IMHO

[Simon Martin]

Ok, ok, I sit corrected in several respects, but I am still adamant that any 
attempt to paint Linux as an out of the box solution
with no prior knowledge is a real danger to the on-going comercial success of 
Linux. I worked in tech-support for Xerox for about 7
years (Xerox used to sell Apple Mac, IBM PS/2 and Dell in Latin America), and I 
would say that at least 70% of the problems we had
we with users who not only did not know what they were doing (no problems with 
that) but who did not WANT to know what they were
doing. Microsoft has fixed the image of it's OS as "just use and ignore it". 
Let's not fall into that trap.

Fixing the customers expectations is paramount for a successful install. If you 
fix the expectations as "zero cost, zero learning"
then you are NOT going to have a successful install. I am fairly competent with 
Debian, but the last time I looked at RedHat, I did
not want to do any real config changes until I had read the corresponding man 
pages and other documents, and these are both Linux
based

In short. If you use a tool you have to know it. If you want to use a tool well 
you have to learn how it works. You don't get
something for nothing and you definitely don't want to tell your customers to 
expect the world for nothing.

__ _   Debian GNU User
   / /(_)_ __  _   ___  __   Simon Martin
  / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ /   Project Manager
 / /__| | | | | |_| |>  

xfree 3.3.4 debianized, where can I found it pls?

[Jean-Yves BARBIER]

Any URL?

Thanx in advance.

JY

Re: Question of Firewall & Mail Servers

[Pann McCuaig]

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 14:11, Doug Thistlethwaite wrote:

> I am working on adding a debian slink linux system as a fire wall to my
> existing company network.  When finished, we will have an ISDN router
> connected to the linux firewall machine and a separate network card
> connecting the internal network to the linux system.
> 
> The mail server will be inside of the firewall and needs to receive SMTP
> connections through the firewall.

> My question is how is this done?

There are (at least) two ways to do this. Another user has responded to
tell you how to punch a hole in your firewall for port 25. You can also
use a "store and forward" system to prevent anyone from outside your
network from talking directly to port 25 on your mail server.

One such system is smap, and another is smtpd. I've had good experience
with the latter, no experience with the former. If memory serves, I
selected smtpd because it was pretty much a drop-in on a debian slink
system that was the firewall.

I used rinetd on that system for punching holes in the firewall (port
22, ssh, for example).

http://www.obtuse.com/smtpd.html
http://www.boutell.com/rinetd/

Luck,
Pann
-- 
What's All the Buzz About Linux?L I N U X   .~.
The Choice  /V\
http://www.ourmanpann.com/linux/ of a GNU  /( )\
Generation ^^-^^

Re: xfree 3.3.4 debianized, where can I found it pls?

[dyer]

Jean-Yves BARBIER wrote:

> Any URL?
>
> Thanx in advance.
>
> JY
>

I assume you are talking about slink packages.
http://samosa.debian.org/~branden/

you can apt-get with
deb http://samosa.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ xfree86-334-slink/

hth

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Re: xfree 3.3.4 debianized, where can I found it pls?

[Erik Hovland]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 06:13:45PM +0200, Jean-Yves BARBIER wrote:
> Any URL?
http://samosa.debian.org/~branden/xfree86-334-slink/

Found from:
http://www.debian.org/~branden/

Re: "RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0"

[Craig B]

Gary Young wrote:


> 
> Some change between the kernel in Debian 2.0
> and in Debian 2.1 fails on something in my
> hardware.  I'll look at what hardware is
> in the box next.
> 
Hamm uses 2.0.34 while Slink uses 2.0.36  The only obvious difference I
have noticed is that 2.0.36 is able to proble INT 13 to size the
memory.  Compare standard output from the Hamm kernel to the Slink
kernel.  Compare version numbers to figure out which kernel components
have been updated.  That may help you zero in on the problem.  Could
there be a problem with the SCSI intialization?  You did say you were
using SCSI drives?  The driver compiled into the stock kernel has most
likely undergone some updates.  There may be some parameters you can
enter from the "boot:" prompt to get you past the delema.  There is
always the possibility that you have some hardware failure that was not
being detected by the older kernel.  Just a few things to consider.

guest accounts with wu-ftp

[Werner Reisberger]

I am trying to enable the guestgroup feature with wu-ftp (2.5.0). The login
and the chrooted environment is flawlessly but the ls command doesn't work.

The ls used within the anonymous account works. I used the same binary and
the libs within the guestgroup account without success. The ls command is
executed, wu-ftp is announcing that the command was succesfully executed
but the content of the directory isn't displayed.

I read the howto for the setup of guest accounts from the wu-ftp mailing
list archive and all variations I tried weren't sucessfull.

If I issue

  strace -f chroot ~guestuser ls

the output shows no problems with the ls, i. e. the directory contents are
displayed.

I tried to use a ls binary with statically linked libs but wasn't able
to build one. Even the gnu fileutils are compiled with shared libs.

Any hints are appreciated.

Werner

Re: xfree 3.3.4 debianized, where can I found it pls?

[Jean-Yves BARBIER]

Thanks to all of you!

JY

Re: Dying services due to low memory?

[Carl Johnson]

"Ralf G. R. Bergs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have several machines running as Internet servers, mainly FTP and HTTP. 
> They're relatively low-end machines (P100 and 486-133 with 48 resp. 64 MB 
> RAM.) Every couple of days I have to restart inetd or other stand-alone 
> services (like syslogd, klogd, snmpd, apache.)
> 
> I'm pretty sure the reason why the processes fail is that memory usage is 
> too high (it's *definitely* not due to memory problems, like failing RAM 
> modules or overclocked CPUs.) Memory usage is permanently about 99%, swap 
> usage only a few percent. But obviously processes are dying because they 
> can't allocate "real" memory?!

Why do you say that it is "obviously" the reason?  The only program
that I have ever seen that needs "real" memory and won't use swap is
javac.  In general, if you aren't using swap space then you aren't
running short of memory.  The kernel always tries to use all memory
for buffers and cache if it isn't being otherwise used.  I don't know
what your problem is, so I can't help any further, but I would look
for other problems before suspecting memory in your case.

-- 
Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: latex

[Carl Johnson]

Juli-Manel Merino Vidal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all,
> 
> where can I found a latex tutorial ?

There are books available as has already been mentioned, but if you
have tetex installed, look in the
/usr/doc/tetex-doc/texmf/latex/general/ directory.  The file lshort2e
will give you some quick information, and the others have more
detailed information.

-- 
Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: xemacs &

[Matthew Guenther]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 12:01:17PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've a problem with the  key in xemacs. If I press  it does
> the same as , so deleting the character before the cursor
> position. It happens in the console and under X (but not with emacs,
> that works fine). What I have to do to make work both keys ?
> So,  deleting the current character and  to delete the 
> character before the cursor position (this one works not).
> 
> Please, HELP. This is really annoying.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

I found this in the XEmacs help menu, under sample configurations I think.
Just add it to your .emacs file:

;; If you prefer delete to actually delete forward then you want to
;; uncomment the next line (or use `Customize' to customize this).
(setq delete-key-deletes-forward t)

And it should work.

HTH,

MBG

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that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real "wow,
that's big," time.  Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, bigness
itself looks really titchy.  Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by
staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here."
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Re: netscape: booksmarks have changed

[Brian Servis]

*- On 18 Sep, Remco van 't Veer wrote about "netscape: booksmarks have changed"
> Hi,
> 
> Some weirdness..  Today I upgraded to navigator-46 (from netgod).
> Netscape reports, every 2 minutes or so, that the bookmarks are
> changed and are being reloaded.  I've seen this before (after my
> previous upgrade?), ignored it and it went away..  but curiosity
> remains..  Does anybody know what is causing this?
> 

I have seen this when netscape crashes and I start a new one.  What
happens is that the gui has died but there still remains a netscape
engine running in the background.  Check 'ps axf' for a running
netscape/communicator that is not associated with your currently
running one and kill it.

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removal of essential packages

[Werner Reisberger]

Once again I spent a lot of time with the debian package system. It seems
to be impossible to remove an essential package although dpkg offers
an option. When I am issuing the command

dpkg --force-remove-essential perl-base

only a help message is displayed. This is frustrating since 

dpkg --force-help

displays the command as valid. I am not able to install a lot of important
packages since I have to replace perl-base v. 5.004 with v. 5.005 and the
5.004 perl with the newest one. I am stuck again with a debian package
problem. These problems are consuming most of the time for administering
the system (my next system will be slackware).

Werner

Re: removal of essential packages

[Ashley Clark]

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Werner Reisberger wrote:
> Once again I spent a lot of time with the debian package system. It seems
> to be impossible to remove an essential package although dpkg offers
> an option. When I am issuing the command
> 
> dpkg --force-remove-essential perl-base
> 
> only a help message is displayed. This is frustrating since 
> 
> dpkg --force-help
> 
> displays the command as valid. I am not able to install a lot of important
> packages since I have to replace perl-base v. 5.004 with v. 5.005 and the
> 5.004 perl with the newest one. I am stuck again with a debian package
> problem. These problems are consuming most of the time for administering
> the system (my next system will be slackware).

If anything is depending on perl-base you have to issue a 

dpkg --force-remove-essential --ignore-depends=perl-base perl-base

-- 
Ashley Clark

.xsession problem with WDM amd/or WindowMaker

[Salman Ahmed]

I am running Debian 2.1 with all updates (nothing as yet
from the unstable area) and am having this bizarre problem
with my .xsession file.

I am using Wdm 1.0-7 and WindowMaker 0.20.3-5. WindowMaker
has been specified as the default window manager by moving
its entry to the top of the /etc/X11/window-managers file.

When I try and add commands to the .xsession file for either
the root user or the non-privileged user "ssahmed", the x
session for either of those users doesn't start and I am
dumped back into the WDM login screen.

For example, I added the following lines to "ssahmed"'s
.xsession file :

xterm&
xterm&

Login failed and I was dumped back into the WDM screen. Here
is what the ~ssahmed/.xsession-errors file had to say :

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0

The only modification I have made to WDM's config is
the following line from /etc/X11/wdm/wdm-config :

DisplayManager._0.authorize:false


Can someone please explain to me how to start up X clients
from my .xsession file ?

Do I have to start up WindowMaker from my .xsession file (as
I do for RedHat) or is it enough to rely on
/etc/X11/window-managers ?

Thanks.

-- 
Salman Ahmed
ssahmed AT interlog DOT com

Re: removal of essential packages

[Brad]

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On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Werner Reisberger wrote:

> Once again I spent a lot of time with the debian package system. It seems
> to be impossible to remove an essential package although dpkg offers
> an option. When I am issuing the command
> 
> dpkg --force-remove-essential perl-base
> 
> only a help message is displayed.

Did you read that message? Note this line:
  dpkg: need an action option

dpkg is complaining that you didn't tell it to do anything! Try this
command:
  dpkg --force-remove-essential --remove perl-base

- --force-* are just flags that tell dpkg not to abort when it sees you
trying to do something potentially damaging. You still need the action
- --remove in order to remove packages.

> I am not able to install a lot of important packages since I have to
> replace perl-base v. 5.004 with v. 5.005 and the 5.004 perl with the
> newest one.

No slink packages should require > 5.004, and the current perl in potato
is 5.005 (potato perl-base just depends on perl5-base, it provides no
files). So i'm not clear on why you need to remove it in the first
place...


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Re: How does it...

[Mark Brown]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 08:32:52AM -0500, Fredrick Schmitt wrote:

> You knew what I meant. What is the most gutless system I could run it on
> (weakest processor)?

I'd guess either a 386SX/16 or an old m68k box.  Probably the 386 is the
better option - many old m68k machines are too underspeced to boot.

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PPP for non-root users

[Salman Ahmed]

How do I enable non-root users to use PPP (via pon/poff) ?

Thanks.

-- 
Salman Ahmed
ssahmed AT interlog DOT com

Re: .xsession problem with WDM amd/or WindowMaker

[Brad]

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On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Salman Ahmed wrote:

> Do I have to start up WindowMaker from my .xsession file (as
> I do for RedHat) or is it enough to rely on
> /etc/X11/window-managers ?

Yes, you do have to run the window manager explicitly if you use an
.xsession file.

You can have your .xsession use /etc/X11/window-managers, though. Just
place this at the bottom of your .xsession (code shamelessly ripped from
/etc/X11/Xsession)

 Start code 

  if [ -e /etc/X11/window-managers ]; then
for i in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/X11/window-managers`; do
  if [ -x $i ]; then
realstartup=$i
break
  fi
done
  elif [ -x /usr/bin/x-window-manager ]; then
realstartup=x-window-manager
  fi

  if [ -z "$realstartup" ]; then
if [ -x /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator ]; then
  realstartup=x-terminal-emulator
else
  # fatal error
  exec > /dev/tty
  echo -n ".xsession: unable to start X session: "
  echo "no window managers, and no terminal emulators found."
  exit 1
fi
  fi

  exec $realstartup

# End code #


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Re: PPP for non-root users

[Brad]

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On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Salman Ahmed wrote:

> How do I enable non-root users to use PPP (via pon/poff) ?

With the normal Debian setup, you only have to add those non-root users to
group dip. As root, this command should do it:
  adduser username dip


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Re: PPP for non-root users

[Mark Brown]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 01:26:17PM -0400, Salman Ahmed wrote:

> How do I enable non-root users to use PPP (via pon/poff) ?

Add them to the dip group (eg, put their name in the list at the end of the
dip entry in /etc/group).

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Re: PPP for non-root users

[Martin Fluch]

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Salman Ahmed wrote:

> How do I enable non-root users to use PPP (via pon/poff) ?

Add the user to the group dip.

Martin

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Re: sound under 2.2.x

[Levi]

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Seth R Arnold wrote:

> Would someone please confirm or deny that the latest 2.2.x plays sounds
> quite nicely? And, would someone please confirm or deny that the latest
> 2.2.x no longer munges up filesystems? I would like to upgrade to 2.2.x (no
> real reason, it just seems cooler. :) but I would like to avoid the trouble
> I had the last time I did it. (I even followed the Changes suggestions for
> everything except NFS -- which I don't use..)

I've used 2.2.12 to play sounds quite nicely, and AFAIK it hasn't done
anthing bad to my filesystems. Good luck.

-Levi

anyone using sblive under kernel 2.2.12

[Jim Ruby]

Hi,
If anyone is using the sblive under kernel 2.2.12, would you be willing to
email me the sblive .o module?
I don't have a way to edit the file with a hexed as the speach output I'm
using makes this hard.

Thanks.

Re: sb16

[Levi]

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 07:54:28AM -0700, Craig B wrote:

> >during kerenel initialization, then you have not compiled support into
> >your kernel.  Do a make mrproper then make config from withing your
> >kernel source directory.  You will need to make sure you answer yes to
> >sound supprort and sound blaster compatible support.  You will need to
> >make sure you answer yes to sound supprort and sound blaster compatible
> 
> My experience with this echos the "answer yes" phrases above.  When you
> choose sound support as a module, then you never see the irq/dma/memory
> choices in make menuconfig.  It has to be "Y" and Not "M" at least up to
> some point in the process.  

If you build sound blaster suppoert as a module, all you need to
do is supply the configs as module parameters. I use the following
command (with kenel 2.2.12).

modeprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1

You'll have to modify that to use the configuration that your card
acttally uses. Also, if your card uses is 16 bit, it'll use two
dma channels and need slightly differnt options.

-Levi

Re: .xsession problem with WDM amd/or WindowMaker

[Salman Ahmed]

On Sat September 18, Brad wrote :
 > 
 > Yes, you do have to run the window manager explicitly if you use an
 > .xsession file.
 > 
 > You can have your .xsession use /etc/X11/window-managers, though. Just
 > place this at the bottom of your .xsession (code shamelessly ripped from
 > /etc/X11/Xsession)

Thanks for the tip. Instead of copying all that code from
/etc/X11/window-managers, I just used my .xsession file from RedHat :

# Window Maker default X session startup script 

PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/bin"

# If you login from xdm, uncomment this to make error messages appear
# in the console window.
#
tail -f $USER/.xsession-errors > /dev/console &

/usr/local/bin/paralogger &

exec wmaker

Works fine now. I am able to start up the desired X clients.

Also, to get non-root users to run PPP, I just did :

usermod -G dip ssahmed

Thanks.

-- 
Salman Ahmed
ssahmed AT interlog DOT com

What is required for Kernel 2.2.12 ?

[Salman Ahmed]

As you all might have guessed, I am in the process of
customizing and configuring my Debian 2.1 so that I can
dump RH.

Next step is to move up to the 2.2.x kernel. I wish to
run 2.2.12.

Can someone tell me exactly what packages I will need to
run the 2.2.x kernel ? I know that I will need some packages
from unstable but that's ok.

Here is what my /etc/apt/sources.lists looks like right
now :

# Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits
# your mirror contains.
# deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free
# See sources.list(5) for more information, especial
# Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian dists/proposed-updates/
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
deb http://www.netgod.net/ x/

I suppose I will have to add an entry for the unstable area like :

 deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free

BTW, on a somewhat related note what problems should I expect
when I start mixing up packages from unstable ? I am doing this
on my home system which is a standalone system. I use it for
doing some development and to browse the WWW and read this list.

Thanks.

-- 
Salman Ahmed
ssahmed AT interlog DOT com

Re: What is required for Kernel 2.2.12 ?

[Aaron Solochek]

I simply go to ftp.kernel.org and download the latest kernel and compiling it.  
i.e.
put the tarball in /usr/src/ and tar-zvzf it.  Then go into /usr/src/linux/ and 
make
menuconfig.  the make dep; make clean; make bzlilo.  There are many veriations 
on
this, but I don't ever recall needing new packages.  But someone will correct 
me if
I'm wrong.

-Aaron Solochek
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Salman Ahmed wrote:

> As you all might have guessed, I am in the process of
> customizing and configuring my Debian 2.1 so that I can
> dump RH.
>
> Next step is to move up to the 2.2.x kernel. I wish to
> run 2.2.12.
>
> Can someone tell me exactly what packages I will need to
> run the 2.2.x kernel ? I know that I will need some packages
> from unstable but that's ok.
>
> Here is what my /etc/apt/sources.lists looks like right
> now :
>
> # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits
> # your mirror contains.
> # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free
> # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial
> # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian dists/proposed-updates/
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
> deb http://www.netgod.net/ x/
>
> I suppose I will have to add an entry for the unstable area like :
>
>  deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
>
> BTW, on a somewhat related note what problems should I expect
> when I start mixing up packages from unstable ? I am doing this
> on my home system which is a standalone system. I use it for
> doing some development and to browse the WWW and read this list.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Salman Ahmed
> ssahmed AT interlog DOT com
>
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Re: Dying services due to low memory?

[William T Wilson]

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Ralf G. R. Bergs wrote:

> modules or overclocked CPUs.) Memory usage is permanently about 99%, swap 
> usage only a few percent. But obviously processes are dying because they 

Then you are not running out of memory.  The kernel likes to leave all the
memory allocated.  It uses it for a disk cache and just gives it to user
programs as necessary.  You'll get "can't get a free page" messages on
console when you really start to run out.  Normally this will happen when
your swapfile gets really full, or when all your processes are trying to
run at once.

> I need a high availability of my machines, and having to constantly
> check and possibly restart services is not acceptable. :-(

What is the problem with your inetd?

Re: What is required for Kernel 2.2.12 ?

[dyer]

Salman Ahmed wrote:

> Can someone tell me exactly what packages I will need to
> run the 2.2.x kernel ? I know that I will need some packages
> from unstable but that's ok.

the minimum requirements are included in the kernel source. Look in the
Documentation/Changes file. Very straight forward. It even tells you the 
commands to
issue to get version numbers.

>
> BTW, on a somewhat related note what problems should I expect
> when I start mixing up packages from unstable ? I am doing this
> on my home system which is a standalone system. I use it for
> doing some development and to browse the WWW and read this list.

You may run into problems here. Potato is based on libc6 2.1 and slink uses 
2.0. you
may have to grab the source and compile. I'm running slink, and upgraded 
necessary
packages before potato went to 2.1. Maybe someone who has done this recently on 
slink
could be more help here.


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Re: silly sendmail question - solved

[Our feet tread sleepless meadows sweet with fear]

Thanks to all who offered advice, but I did finally find a way to trick
sendmail into using the address I wanted it to (as you can see by my address
on this post, hopefully).

The FAQs and so forth were never a help to me. I just kept changing my
configuration files around until it worked. (Took a few hours, but I'm
stubborn heheh.)

Again thanks for the help, though.

addi

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Re: sendmail again -argh!

[add|ct|on]

Please ignore my idiocy on my last post. I was logged in as the wrong user and 
so, despite my efforts to show off my success, I screwed up. Hopefully this 
time it worked properly.
Cheers,
addi

Re: What is required for Kernel 2.2.12 ?

[Erik Hovland]

> Salman Ahmed wrote:
> 
> > As you all might have guessed, I am in the process of
> > customizing and configuring my Debian 2.1 so that I can
> > dump RH.
> >
> > Next step is to move up to the 2.2.x kernel. I wish to
> > run 2.2.12.
> >
> > Can someone tell me exactly what packages I will need to
> > run the 2.2.x kernel ? I know that I will need some packages
> > from unstable but that's ok.
> >
> > Here is what my /etc/apt/sources.lists looks like right
> > now :
> >
> > # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits
> > # your mirror contains.
> > # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free
> > # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial
> > # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
> > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian dists/proposed-updates/
> > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
> > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
> > deb http://www.netgod.net/ x/
> >
> > I suppose I will have to add an entry for the unstable area like :
> >
> >  deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
> >
> > BTW, on a somewhat related note what problems should I expect
> > when I start mixing up packages from unstable ? I am doing this
> > on my home system which is a standalone system. I use it for
> > doing some development and to browse the WWW and read this list.

The biggest surprise is that glibc 2.1 is part of unstable so all packages you
get from unstable will complain about it's absence if you don't install it.
Of course you could just install it. But building all the new packages from
unstable and then applying them will mitigate this issue. Debian does actually
maintain a nice page on what to do about getting the 2.2.x kernels onto slink:
http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/running-kernel-2.2 

Hope it helps.

E

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RE: anyone using sblive under kernel 2.2.12

[Wim Kerkhoff]

Just get the emu10k1 package from developer.soundblaster.com/linux.  Unpack it,
and edit the 2.2.10 module with a text editor, changing 2.2.10 to 2.2.12.  

I got it to work under 2.2.11 by forcing it with insmod -f, that may work as
well.

On 18-Sep-99 Jim Ruby wrote:
> Hi,
> If anyone is using the sblive under kernel 2.2.12, would you be willing to
> email me the sblive .o module?
> I don't have a way to edit the file with a hexed as the speach output I'm
> using makes this hard.
> 
> Thanks.

Regards,

Wim Kerkhoff  
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Re: To the Debian Project, IMHO

[Stephan Hachinger]

Hello!

Again some criticism about your opinions...

>Ok, ok, I sit corrected in several respects, but I am still adamant that
any attempt to paint Linux as an out of the box solution
>with no prior knowledge is a real danger to the on-going comercial success
of Linux. I worked in tech-support for Xerox for about 7
>years (Xerox used to sell Apple Mac, IBM PS/2 and Dell in Latin America),
and I would say that at least 70% of the problems we had
>we with users who not only did not know what they were doing (no problems
with that) but who did not WANT to know what they were
>doing. Microsoft has fixed the image of it's OS as "just use and ignore
it". Let's not fall into that trap.
>
>Fixing the customers expectations is paramount for a successful install. If
you fix the expectations as "zero cost, zero learning"
>then you are NOT going to have a successful install. I am fairly competent
with Debian, but the last time I looked at RedHat, I did
>not want to do any real config changes until I had read the corresponding
man pages and other documents, and these are both Linux
>based
>
>In short. If you use a tool you have to know it. If you want to use a tool
well you have to learn how it works. You don't get
>something for nothing and you definitely don't want to tell your customers
to expect the world for nothing.

OK, I know what you mean. I've been using Debian for a short time and
Windows for a quite long time now, and I worked together with many people on
PC projects. I also think in a way that there are two extremes concerning PC
users: There are some who want to dive deep into the secrets of the system,
and others only want to use it for doing their work. And I (I belong to the
first group) realized, whatever I worked on, that the second group of users
also got very good results out of their work.

Let's look on what the computer was invented for: Scientific calculations.
But people had to have very good knowledge and time to use it. And what the
computer can do now (at least sometimes): Help at work and calculate things
without needing much time for administration any more. Although I like to
administrate a system properly, IMHO it is very admirable that people can
now work with computers almost with zero administration. And it makes life
easier and makes the computer work for what it was created: Solving
problems.

So, IMHO, it is not good to think that people that can only work with GUI
interfaces and "dumb" OSes are stupid or worth less. I think it's very
understandable if someone wants to concentrate on his problems and not on
his systems.

Now, what do this thoughts end up to? I think there should be both kinds of
OSes: The "just use and..." ones and the ones which require proper
administration and can be tuned properly.

Why should we let MS control the market of the "just use and ignore it"
OSes? I there should be a Linux for EVERY person, and distributions like the
coming Corel-Linux, which are almost completely GUI-based, will improve the
success of Linux. But "Linuxes" also have to be tweakable.

I think that's why there are different distros: That different users can
reach different aims. Admins who want to tune it thorougly as well as home
users who want to use it without reading any manual, just to show to
extremes.

That's what Linux should be, I think. And if Debian should become easier to
install or something like that, there should be discussions about how the
future Debian can solve problems in a better way than last versions. But
there should not be a flame war about UNIX philosophy because it's no use
starting such a war. Time and users will tell where to go finally and which
philosophies are right. Why can't there be just peaceful coexistence between
different users and philosophies???

And: About the last paragraph: I think good software can be used without
knowing any manual. It has some help functions that quickly guide to the
required functions/params. You can see what command you must call. That's
good software. I want to dive into internals of OSes. But, personally, I
don't read manuals very often. And I succeeded with WIN and with Debian this
way. So that philosophy can't be that bad.


That was my opinion about this. I already have used WIN and LINUX, and DOS,
and the GEM UI, and DR DOS, and CALDERA DOS, and so on. Intolerance brings
no solution.

Did not want to offend anyone:).


Kind Regards,

Stephan Hachinger

Re: How does it...

[Marcin Owsiany]

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 08:47:19PM -0500, Fredrick Schmitt wrote:
> Is the setup text based or graphial? What are the extra features this
> opperating system has over my RH6 box? What system would be the
> cheeziest I could run it on?

there has been a LARGE discussion on it about a week ago.
The Subject was: Why use Debian, why not RedHat?
Check the archives out. (there's a link on the web page - just have to look
close)

just my 0.02 zł :)

Marcin

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Re: dselect broke when updating to potato

[Marcin Owsiany]

On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 04:32:48PM -0400, Edward Di Geronimo Jr. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The other day I updated my system from slink to potato, and now dselect
> and apt are broken. First off, if I go into dselect and choose Access,
> Update, or Install, it exits out to the shell with the error:
> 
> dselect: unable to access method script
> `/usr/lib/dpkg//methods/charset/setup': Not a directory
> 
> The other dselect choices work.
> 
> "apt-get update" works, however, "apt-get install" always says:
> 
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
> 
> regardless of what I chose in dselect.

This is not the way to use apt.
You either apt-get install packagename
or use dselect and then apt-get dselect-upgrade

> I can't install or update anything
> with apt right now. I can still install packages with dpkg -i. I tried
> downloading a new version of the dpkg package a few minutes ago, however,
> it didn't make a difference.

don't know about the first problem you mention, though

hope this helps

Marcin

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Re: ppp failure under debian (slakware with pppd 2.2 patch level 0 works)

[Marcin Owsiany]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 05:06:18PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>I'm typing this from my old slackware install.  I connect on this
> installation using cu -l /dev/cua1 then negotiating my way through my
> ISP's login manually, then start pppd in another window, then quitting
> from cu.  This worked fine whne this machine was a 486 and now works with
> a new motherboard & cpu.  
> 
> I tried installing potato on the machine, and most things are going fine,
> except that sound isn't working on the new setup, and ppp won't work on
> it.  
> 
> I'm fairly sure that the serial conifg is OK, as I can get out with 
> cu -l /dev/ttyS1, but when I try to start pppd, it complains about cu
> having the serial line and won't let it at it.
> 
> As far as using pon, I get the following :
> 
> 
> Aug  4 19:16:00 castle kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel 
> allocation) 
> Aug  4 19:16:00 castle kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 
> 199
> 5 Caldera, Inc. 
> Aug  4 19:16:00 castle kernel: PPP line discipline registered. 
> Aug  4 19:16:00 castle kernel: registered device ppp0 
> Aug  4 19:16:00 castle pppd[620]: pppd 2.3.8 started by robert, uid 1000
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (BUSY)
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (VOICE)
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE)
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: send (ATZ^M)
> Aug  4 19:16:01 castle chat[621]: expect (OK)
> Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: alarm
> Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: send (AT^M)
> Aug  4 19:16:46 castle chat[621]: expect (OK)
> Aug  4 19:17:31 castle chat[621]: alarm
> Aug  4 19:17:31 castle chat[621]: Failed
> Aug  4 19:17:32 castle pppd[620]: Exit.
> Aug  4 19:18:00 castle kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully 
> unregistere

first thing: should there be any chat script at all if you authenticate
using cu? (i've never used cu, so i may be wrong)
Should the chat script try to reset the modem if it has already connected??
(the ATZ and AT)

I would try to edit /etc/chatscripts/provider to contain only one line:
'' ''
if I were you.

> One thing that concerned me was that the kernel messages from dmesg don't
> mention the ppp0 device as happens on a working debian ppp machine I've seen.
> The relevant part of dmesg looks like this 
> 
> PPP: version 2.3.7 (demand dialling)
> PPP line discipline registered.
> 
> and that's it.
> 
> What is happening?

this is how it looks like on my system (slink, 2.2.12):

PPP: version 2.3.7 (demand dialling)
PPP line discipline registered.
registered device ppp0
PPP BSD Compression module registered
PPP Deflate Compression module registered
PPP: ppp line discipline successfully unregistered

and as far as i can remember, the "registered device ppp0" appears only
after chat script has finished successfully:

Sep 18 12:56:04 pecet pppd[166]: Serial connection established.
Sep 18 12:56:05 pecet pppd[166]: Using interface ppp0

hope this helps,
Marcin

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Re: Dying services due to low memory?

[Marcin Owsiany]

On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 11:17:13AM +0200, Ralf G. R. Bergs wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> can anyone point me to a solution for the following problem?
> 
> I have several machines running as Internet servers, mainly FTP and HTTP. 
> They're relatively low-end machines (P100 and 486-133 with 48 resp. 64 MB 
> RAM.) Every couple of days I have to restart inetd or other stand-alone 
> services (like syslogd, klogd, snmpd, apache.)
> 
> I'm pretty sure the reason why the processes fail is that memory usage is 
> too high (it's *definitely* not due to memory problems, like failing RAM 
> modules or overclocked CPUs.) Memory usage is permanently about 99%, swap 
> usage only a few percent. But obviously processes are dying because they 
> can't allocate "real" memory?!

As far as I know the Unix processes don't care if something is physical
memory or not. They simply use virtual memory and it's kernel's job to
proviede it to them.

As for the memory amount, i don't think that running a box at its full
memory capabilities does something bad to Linux. I myself used to administer
a box which had as little as 8 MB of RAM (Pentium 90Mhz) with the following
services: httpd, ftpd, squid and sometimes even X!
It was trashing horribly, but was usable and hardly ever crashed.
So it's not the amount of physical memory you have.. i'd rather think of
making more swap (don't know how much your box has...), since some peaks in
memory usage can be lethal to Linux.
Really, i've heard of guys who have a GB of swap on their boxes and are
thinking of increasing it...

just a thought

Marcin


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Re: su without password using libpam

[Andreas Kurth]

Ben Collins wrote:
> > The only way to manage this, is to set up a group wheel, use the
> > "auth   required   pam_wheel.so" line, add user "you" to group
> > wheel and do it the above way leaving out the "apply=you" option.
> 
> It shouldn't according to the docs (yes I read that particular caveat, but
> the logic is still there for it to work). For passwordless access, you could
> make the pam_wheel.so module "sufficient" which means that belonging to the
> group "root" gives them access to su without a password.

I'm sorry. It doesn't work.

I'll stay with the method described in my last posting which is
sufficient for my needs.

Thanks again for your interest.


-- 
Andreas KurthMannheim, Germany

Re: dselect broke when updating to potato

[Edward Di Geronimo Jr.]

On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Marcin Owsiany wrote:
> > The other day I updated my system from slink to potato, and now dselect
> > and apt are broken. First off, if I go into dselect and choose Access,
> > Update, or Install, it exits out to the shell with the error:
> > 
> > dselect: unable to access method script
> > `/usr/lib/dpkg//methods/charset/setup': Not a directory

I fixed this problem. I looked in /usr/lib/dpkg/methods, and noticed
everything in that directory was a directory except for charset, which was
a text file. I moved it to /tmp, and then dselect started working again.
So I guess a wrong file got installed at some point in the potato update.
I just grepped in /var/lib/dpkg/info to try to find "methods/charset", but
didn't find anything, so I have no idea what package broke it.

Ed

Re: How does it...

[Jonathan Hall]

386SX/16, 4mb RAM, ~40mb HD.

That's the requirement for any Linux distro.

To install Debian > 1.3, you must have at least 6 (or is it 8) mb of RAM,
but once it's installed, you can take out the extra 2-4mb, and run it just
on 4mb.


On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Fredrick Schmitt wrote:

> You knew what I meant. What is the most gutless system I could run it on
> (weakest processor)?
> 
> Rob Mahurin wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 08:47:19PM -0500, Fredrick Schmitt wrote:
> > > What system would be the cheeziest I could run it on?
> > 
> > Unfortunately, you cannot run Debian on a block of cheese.  Work on a
> > cheese port is in progress, but is not even ready yet for the alpha
> > release.  Until then, you must run Debian on a computer.  That is,
> > however, about the only limitation.
> > 
> > Rob
> > 
> > --
> > "Buy land.  They've stopped making it."
> > -- Mark Twain
> 
> 
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