How emulate a SUN keyboard in olvwm?
Hi, we have olvwm in your debian box and we would be able to use the F keys (F1,F2,etc) to emulate the keys front,open,cut,copy,paste,help on a SUN keyboard. I think that i must edit the .Xmodmap file but i don't known what i must write in it. Thanks a lot, Dany Dionne Physics Department Universite Laval -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing pico
At 09:56 PM 1/12/97 -0500, Daniel Stringfield wrote: >Hello. Me again. I'm the pine/pico maintainer. Its in the non-free >section. goto ftp.debian.org and look in >/pub/debian/bo/non-free/binary-i386 ### Umm... I have been looking for pine & pico for a while and can't find them :( I am in /bo right now and don't see a non-free, and it's not in /bo/binary-i386 either... Help? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PPP and /contrib
Hi folks :) 2 quick questions... 1)What is the best (easiest) way to get a PPP connection from my debian box to my isp via a modem? Ideally I'd like for it to be like my Win95 box (stop throwing things!) and dial on demand when I need Internet, and redial if disconnected. Is this possible? I remember years ago getting ppp with pppd, but it did not have those features I would like, and I think it was hard to work with. Surely there is something better now... Thanks in advance for any info! :) 2) The software in /contrib that is not guaranteed, just how "unsafe" is it for use? I'd really like to put on npasswd-boulder, for example, but the warning kinda makes me wonder about what might happen (all passwords get mailed to a newsgroup, etc..) :) Maybe I'm just too paranoid, but I just have to ask. Thanks! Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do access hda, fd0, etc. ?
> > To mount your DOS partition, do: > > > > mount -t msdos /dev/hda /mnt > > I believe this is an error. /dev/hda refers to the entire drive 0 on an > IDE system. The partition is probably /dev/hda1. Otherwise, a much > better explanation than I could have given! Really. A little mistake :) Alexander Gieg =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By: Alexander Gieg E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3222 IRC: AlexG =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There will be a time in which *all* the computers in the Earth will be using Linux! Amen! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do access hda, fd0, etc. ?
> "Gieg" == Alexander Gieg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> In Debian linux, I have certian files that I down-loaded via. a >> terminal emulator in dos, and it is on my dos partition, which >> is hda. How do I access this drive and my flopply drive fd0 in >> linux? Gieg> You need to mount these partitions. You can use some empty Gieg> directory to use as mount point. If these directories Gieg> doesn't exist, create them with mkdir. Since I discovered the 'mtools' package, I haven't had occasion to mount an msdog-formatted floppy. I highly recommend it: just insert the floppy and go, switch floppies at will, just like on msdog. I even noticed not long ago that it automagically recognizes and deals with 2m formats (e.g., 1743Kb floppies that are just as stable as the classic 1440Kb format). Hats off to the developers! -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: purged package base while update to Debian 1.2.2
> "Rick" == Rick Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rick> If I remember correctly, I just went into Rick> /var/lib/dpkg/status and set the status line for them to Rick> "purge". I think I did the same with the old "base" package, Rick> so it looks like this: Rick>Package: base Rick>Essential: yes Rick>Status: purge ok not-installed Rick> I didn't notice any problems, and it cleaned up the dselect Rick> sections. I didn't manually delete any files that had Rick> anything to do with "base". I did the same thing to get rid of an old kernel-source package that wouldn't go away. It kept telling me Danger, Package in a Severe Unstable State, and that I needed to reinstall it to be able to get rid of it, but since dpkg considers each new kernel-source package a completely new and different package, and the kernel-source-2.0.0 package was no longer on ftp.debian.org, I had to do the above manual editing process to get rid of the messages. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Linux much easier to install on 68k or PPC?
> "Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hamish> I think you're overlooking the Cyrix unfairly. A Cyrix Hamish> 6x86-P166 costs about 1/3rd of the price of a Pentium 166 Hamish> here in Australia, and according to the benchmarks, Hamish> integer performance exceeds the Intel chip. Sorry, I did indeed overlook the Cyrix. Nothing against it! Hamish> Intel's prices are extortion in comparison. Agreed! Hamish> To date, AMD K5 chips are only available in fairly low Hamish> speeds, Pentium 100 equivalent or so. Pentium 100 seems to Hamish> be a little below entry level here now. Yeah, I hate to admit it, but not long ago I naively purchased a 133Mhz AMD. I wasn't too pleased when I read in my motherboard manual that this is equivalent to a 100Mhz Intel Pentium! Let the buyer beware. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netscape and LANG variable
> Hi, > > it seems that netscape has problems when the environment variable LANG > is set to de_DE. The postscript file produced by netscape isn't > correct in this case > > e.g. With LANG variable set: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] translate > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] scale > > > and without > > 36.2 705.2 translate > 14.7 14.7 scale > > The reason for this, is because in the locale definition... the definition for decimal point and thousands seperator has been left undefined. Whoever maintains the locale definitions in /usr/share/locale/de should be notified... so this data can be corrected. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Document describing defaults users/groups?
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:15:22 EST Jean Pierre LeJacq ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'd appreciate if you could forward any information you > receive. > On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, hogendoorn r.a. wrote: > > > Is there a document describing the default users and groups, > > like "disk", "cdrom"? I found no references in either the FAQ > > or the policy manual. There is currently no documentation about this. The base-passwd is about to change soon, I retain your suggestion about documenting the various UIDs and GIDs. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's NMI recieved.
> NMI is intel nomenclature for non maskable interrupt, and > it might mean the same under linux. If so, then the kernel > is receiving an interrupt that it doesn't know how to process. > > I haven't hacked kernel code for linux, so I don't know the > terms in use. Am I right? > If its on a PC (and if memory serves correctly)... the NMI should be connected to the parity check on the RAM... -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
does dselect log package installations?
Hi, I just upgraded from an old slackware distribution to Debian 1.2. Everything seems to have gone smoothly, but I'm afraid I missed some errors during package installtion with dselect. Does dselect log installations, and if it does, where is the log file stored? thank you sincerely, Hyung-song Nam -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need information from people who have had problems with boot
No, its an 8MB Thinkpad. I will happily test out any new boot floppies that are forthcoming. Paul On 14-Jan-97 "Bruce Perens" wrote: >>I think this was a low-memory problem - it's a 4MB thinkpad, right? >Dale Scheetz and Sven Rudolph are currently working on reducing memory >usage in the boot floppies. > > Thanks > > Bruce > >> Subject: RE: Need information from people who have had problems with boot >> I would like to point out that I have finally managed to produce a working >> Debian installation on my Thinkpad 365XD. I found the 1.1 diskset on >> ftp.infomagic.com and installed the base system from those. The 1.1 disks >have >> no trouble booting the Thinkpad (though I have had no luck whatsoever booting >> with the 1.2 disks). I then pointed dselect to the iConnect 1.2 CD that I >had >> purchased and worked from there. I no longer see the 1.1 distribution on >> ftp.debian.org - would it not be a good idea to keep it? >> >> Paul >> >> On 07-Jan-97 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is building a new boot disk set while >> >I am out cleaning up after a flood in my home and have no working >> >computers. I know there are a number of people who have had trouble >> >booting for various reasons, and Dale does not have any of the feedback >> >you gave me. Please send him information on what drivers hang up your >> >system, etc. >> > >> >Thanks >> > >> >Bruce >> >-- >> >Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. >> >PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 >> > >> >-- >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> -- >> Paul Rightley DX-3 Hydrodynamics, MS P940 >> Los Alamos National LaboratoryLos Alamos, NM 87545 >> Phone: (505)667-0460 Fax: (505)665-3359 >> Email: Paul Rightley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> -- >> >> >> -- >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>-- End of excerpt from Paul Rightley > >-- >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Rightley DX-3 Hydrodynamics, MS P940 Los Alamos National LaboratoryLos Alamos, NM 87545 Phone: (505)667-0460 Fax: (505)665-3359 Email: Paul Rightley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you _STILL_ waiting for Bruce to do something? :-)
I've mostly recovered from the flood. I think I've caught up with all of the developer requests. I transferred my boot-disk duties over to Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Sven Rudolph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . If you have anything that requires my authorization or other action on my part, please write back to me. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fax programs! help please. (fwd)
On 14-Jan-97 Johann Spies wrote: >>As a traditional DOS-user who does not like Windows I have been trying out >Linux for the past few months and I am impressed >escpecially with LaTeX (I use TeTeX because of problems with the debian >LaTeX packages I experienced), Emacs, lynx and pine. > What sort of troubles did you ecperience with the Debian LaTeX package? I ask because I have had some trouble too, and was wondering if these were caused by the Debian TeX distribution or the newer TeX's in general. Also, how do you go about getting/installing TeTeX in Debian? Thank you, Paul -- Paul Rightley DX-3 Hydrodynamics, MS P940 Los Alamos National LaboratoryLos Alamos, NM 87545 Phone: (505)667-0460 Fax: (505)665-3359 Email: Paul Rightley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Debian CD?
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > I have avoided doing this on my CDs for technical reasons. I have been > concerned that a label might interfere with the proper spinning of the CD. > My blank CD supplier has a device he claims will properly center the label > to avoid these problems, so, if it will sell more CDs, or present a more > professional face, I would be happy to begin using pre-printed labels. My > other concern is that the label might come loose and gum up the drive. It > would be more reliable if I could find some mylar labels. > > Any ideas? > > Dwarf I actually didn't mean this to be taekn so seriously, but since it has, I'll explain. My boss is _not_ stupid at all! He's actually one of the most competent computer scientists I've ever worked for. He is, however, quite professional and doesn't take linux seriously at the moment. He humors me in my interest in it though. I showed him the Caldera package and he was impressed. I really want to replace a machine running caldera here with Debian, but I need to work out a couple of things. I need to be able to provide printing services to a MAC platform (1) and I need to be able to provide cross platform file services (2). The second item is a no brainer, but the first is giving me some problems. Anyway, I understand the technical concerns with CDR's (thanks to Bruce's very detailed post on the subject). But, I also know that as a musician, I can present an album's worth of music to any cheapo CD maker on virtually any media and in 3 weeks time have a batch of CDs pressed with full color inserts/packaging, etc. and a printed face. It usually costs about $1200US for 500 of these but prices go down with volume. If I'm willing to pay $30US for a single CD, it seems that there ought to be a way to get something presentable. I'll check with a guy I used for music stuff and see what he says, but I have an idea he'll say that it can't be done with CDRs. I know that one place takes a DAT tape and makes a "glass" master which is used to blow out the volume order ($2000US for 1000 CDs). This may be impracticle for Debian which changes frequently. Of course, once we're at a "stable" stable release ;-), it should be OK to pump a few out. Thanks for all the feedback, but I really didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011-81-3-3437-7967 - Tokyo, Japan -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's NMI recieved.
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Marc A. Volovic wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Shaya Potter wrote: > > > I have been recieving an NMI recieved error on my linux box at school > > recently. It says somehting like "dazed and confused, but trying to > > continue" and it does, but I'd like to fix this. I know some of the > > memory chips are probably bad, and I have replacements, but I want to > > know which chips to replace. Is there any program that will do an > > intesive memory check and report if any memory is bad. > > Yes, gcc on Linux kernel. > > Start by removing as much memory as possible. Leave 8M and compile. Then > insert _another_ set of 8MB and compile. The machine only has 8 meg in it :-(. I like my machine at work better, 48 MB :-) and as many 4 GIG scsi hard drives as I want. > > Just in case, check whether you have Parity or ECC enabled in the BIOS > but no Parity or ECC memory... This is a lowly 486 with none of that just plain 30 pin memory. Shaya -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's NMI recieved.
The error message says that I either have a hardware problem, which I doubt or a memoery problem, which I think is the case. Shaya On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Vatiainen Heikki wrote: > There seem to be at least two Debian packages that have some kind of memory > test programs. There's memtest86 in utils/hwtools and memtest in > utils/sysutils. Don't know though if NMI has anything to do with memory. > > Shaya Potter wrote: > [cut] > > know which chips to replace. Is there any program that will do an > > intesive memory check and report if any memory is bad. > > // Heikki > > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can any one recommend a mailreader...
other than pine. I would like a simple curses based reader that easily allows one to configure the mail to read automatically into separate folders depending on the address it came from, allows filename completion when reading files in or when going to different folders,etc. Preferably any configuration should be built into the interface itself, i.e. it would be nice to avoid editing a configuration file directly. -Walter The system I intend to run it on is the university system running slackware. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange
[cc'ing this to debian-user b/c I can't e-mail Michael directly ] I meant the server, but again, I can't verify this as I am not running NT or exchange server at the moment, only Linux, HP-UX, win95, win3.1, CPM, and TI 99/4A. Pretty diverse for a 17 year old wouldn't you say. :-). shaya On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Michael Meskes wrote: > Shaya Potter writes: > > I remember reading a review in PC week or maybe info world, where they > > were very happy the exchamge was supporting POP, maybe it was a beta, but > > I think it was a real release. > > Do you mean the server or the client? It seems to me that there's no problem > using a popserver with exchange clients. But how about an exchange server? > > Michael > > -- > Michael Meskes, Projekt-Manager | [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > topsystem Systemhaus GmbH| Phone: (+49) 2405/4670-44 > Europark A2, Adenauerstr. 20 | Fax: (+49) 2405/4670-10 > 52146 Wuerselen | Go SF 49ers! Use Debian GNU/Linux! > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: dselect ftp from behind a firewall
>The ftp option of dselect doesn't work for the machine I'm configuring at >work because I am behind a firewall. With the Windows program WS-FTP I > When setting up the FTP option in dselect, make sure you use passive mode. That will get you around the firewall. I installed Debian 1.2.2 on my machine 2 days ago and have been using dselect quite happily from behind a firewall. -Adam -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Debian CD?
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Robin Rowe wrote: > Hi. How do I find out what Debian CD-ROM's are available? Is there an > article somewhere that comparitively rates them? This was the original message to which I responded. I apparently offended a few of us out there. I apologize. However, please stop sending mail to the list about this. Flame my privately, and I'll gladly tear a new black hole in your universe _privately_! Get it off the list! I happen to work for a guy who thinks Solaris is too unstable for production! I personally am very familiar with installing Solaris 2.x and then having to down load patches after patches and install them according to specific uses and needs, etc. I know that the latest CDR has all the latest fixes, but I need _any_ stable CD and I can get the fixes off the net! The difference between doing this for Solaris and doing it for Debian is that Solaris is made by the same company that makes SunOS :-) We also recently dumped all gcc based developement here in the IS group (and other compliers and tools) for Sun's compiler suite. So, I'm _really_ an island now! I never said that Debian should stop being what it is. I don't think we need to choose between being geekware for universities or being commercially viable. We can be both technically superior _free_ software, and have commercial appeal. There's just more work involved :-( Again, my apologies to the list and to any individuals. Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011-81-3-3437-7967 - Tokyo, Japan -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP and /contrib
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:12:43 CST Kendrick Myatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > 1)What is the best (easiest) way to get a PPP connection from my > debian box to my isp via a modem? Ideally I'd like for it to be like my > Win95 box (stop throwing things!) and dial on demand when I need Internet, > and redial if disconnected. Is this possible? > I remember years ago getting ppp with pppd, but it did not have > those features I would like, and I think it was hard to work with. Surely > there is something better now... Thanks in advance for any info! :) It's still pppd. If you want on-demand connections, you might want to have a look at diald. > 2) The software in /contrib that is not guaranteed, just how "unsafe" > is it for use? I'd really like to put on npasswd-boulder, for example, but > the warning kinda makes me wonder about what might happen (all passwords get > mailed to a newsgroup, etc..) :) Maybe I'm just too paranoid, but I just > have to ask. I use a few packages from contrib and so far, it works well. I'm not using npasswd-boulder, but I think it's ok. If you're really paranoid, you can check out the sources :-). Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gdb warning
Having updated to Debian 1.2.1, I get a new warning upon invoking gdb: 'warning: Unable to find dynamic linker breakpoint function' This doesn't cause problems for me, but maybe for someone else. Any ideas on rectifying this? Regards, Richard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webserver/CGI
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Hi there, I have need for a web server to do one and only one : thing, run a single CGI script. I've installed Apache on my system, and : started to configure it when I though that Apache might be overkill. This : server must be VERY secure as it is both my mail server and my RADIUS : server. I linked ~www-data/index.html to /dev/null so that users cannot : (hopefully) retrieve any documents, but I'm wondering if somebody has a : better suggestion? What about just making a little program that listens on port 80 and replies with your CGI when asked for something ? That would be a solution, if you want anybody to be able to run this script. If you want something more elaborate, just make this program a bit more elaborate (something that replies only if queried a specified document, or a password system). I *think* it should work all right, but then I'm no specialist. Mat -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fax programs! help please. (fwd)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I have felt for some time that a lot of people are > > getting the wrong idea about Linux. I don't think linux is intended > > to be a suitable replacement OS for "computer illiterates" and other > > people who want to put no work into their system, and I hope linux > > developers are not trying to make it that. > > But what's the difference between an OS for computer illiterates (like > NT or NextStep) and an OS for computer gurus (like Linux - for now)? > They all have sophisticated kernels and they can all do fairly powerful > things. > I've never touched an NT box... but I don't consider NextStep an OS for computer illetarates. > > I see no reason why a system can't be developed (over time, we're not > there yet) that allows a novice user to become productive as easily > as Win95 (hopefully more easily), but gives those of us who need to > muck with the internals the opportunity to do so. > I agree... but if you look inside OS/2 or DOS, you'll see a stripped down Unix functionality... it's a Unix with its claws removed. Sure, its everybodys dream to make a system like that... and has been the discussion for years, reaching far outside this little mailbox of ours. > > The same thing the user would do with Win95. Call somebody who does > know the answer and if necessary pay them to fix it. > > I think in general your comments about the nature of Unix/Linux are > correct. This isn't a system you can use without knowing something > about how it works. But I don't think this property is essential to > it's power. Over time it can evolve into an OS for regular people and > Debian lays some of the groundwork that will make this possible. It's > and "enabling technology", as they say. > A long time ago, when I was young... and 8 bit systems ruled the Universe. I maintained and changed a system, that used a parallel bus for communications, sharing printers and storage. The system used a simple token bus, to prioritize each computer... however, there were bugs in the system, and often when the system ended its round. It didn't realease the token... and the bus hung. Now, I spent a lot of time running after each bug... and all that time, the solution was right in front of my nose. There was a single state that each system would reach, where it was *known* that the token wasn't needed... so instead of running after every bug, the solution was to ensure the token wasn't stuck in this state. All the old bugs where still there, just outside the functionality of the systems domain... and therefore irrelevant. Now, the only thing I can... is computers. I could probably try dancing, but would probably even fail to look like a clown. I could try carpending, and the roof I'd build would best be suited to take a shower under in a stormy weather... and when I state "I'd rather be computing than commuting" its because I tried the latter... and failed miserably. What I'm getting at... is that a computer illiterate is a person who is in the reverse situation. A good carpenter, or a good dancer... a great athlete... or a commuter, but definately not a computer. And when I go out to buy myself a car, I don't go into a store and order different pieces that I then put together... hopefully arriving at a usable automobile, nor do I chop down some wood and puzzle a skyscraber. But if I wanted to, I could go into a hobby store and get some pieces to puzzle in private hours... having fun puzzling an airoplane, enthrilled to see it fly! What Im driving at is... for a writer, make an environment suitable for writers... and for an office worker set up an environment for an office worker... each can be based on a common os... but to try and create a one setup to serve all... will only fail (unless you're going for a guaranteed ten years service part :-) -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Leader appearing on Long Island and Rochester N.Y.
I will be at Nassau County, Long Island, January 25 and 26, and in Rochester N.Y. January 27-31. I'd be happy to speak with any local Linux clubs that could put something together, or simply to hoist a beer with the local Linux enthusiasts. I'll be at the Linux Expo in North Carolina in April, and plan to visit France and England in May (although that date could change). Thanks Bruce Perens Debian Project Leader -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP and /contrib
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote: > 1)What is the best (easiest) way to get a PPP connection from my > debian box to my isp via a modem? Ideally I'd like for it to be like my > Win95 box (stop throwing things!) and dial on demand when I need Internet, > and redial if disconnected. Is this possible? > I remember years ago getting ppp with pppd, but it did not have > those features I would like, and I think it was hard to work with. Surely > there is something better now... Thanks in advance for any info! :) DIALD is what you want. Not as easy as Winbloze95 to setup, but has better functionality. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.southeast.net/~servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP and /contrib
> 1)What is the best (easiest) way to get a PPP connection from my > debian box to my isp via a modem? Ideally I'd like for it to be like my > Win95 box (stop throwing things!) and dial on demand when I need Internet, > and redial if disconnected. Is this possible? Yes, just install the diald package. > 2) The software in /contrib that is not guaranteed, just how "unsafe" > is it for use? I'd really like to put on npasswd-boulder, for example, but > the warning kinda makes me wonder about what might happen (all passwords get > mailed to a newsgroup, etc..) :) Maybe I'm just too paranoid, but I just > have to ask. Those packages, generally, are no less safe -- they're just not "officially" supported (often due to copyright and/or licensing restrictions). -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xfm and debian package
> Hi, > we use olvwm and we search a file manager. I can't found a debian with a > file manager like xfm. Anyone can help me? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dany Dionne > Physics Department > Universite Laval > There is a package in X11 that is called 'offix', which contains a 'xfm' like filemanager 'files' and 'trash' with drag-n-drop support. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cryptic diald message
Hi all, I've been trying to chase this one down, but no luck so far. I've got daild/ppp set up to connect to my ISP using dynamic addressing. Everything works fine, except the following weird message about "Nonzero exit status" for route when the link goes down (plus a few lines for context)" Jan 15 21:27:31 yardbird diald[108]: Closing down idle link. Jan 15 21:27:31 yardbird diald[108]: Nonzero exit status (7) on command '/sbin/route add default gw 123.456.789.10 metric 2000 dev sl0' Jan 15 21:27:31 yardbird pppd[10314]: Terminating on signal 2. Jan 15 21:27:31 yardbird pppd[10314]: Connection terminated. Jan 15 21:27:31 yardbird pppd[10314]: Exit. Jan 15 21:27:33 yardbird diald[108]: Delaying 30 seconds before clear to dial. Jan 15 21:29:31 yardbird kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully unregistered [Numbers changed to protect the innocent.] Any ideas on what this means? Thanks, jim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Debian CD?
"Bruce Perens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think all existing "silver" Debian CDs are parts of sets. > > Infomagic - 6 CDs. > Pacific Hightech - January edition of their Monthly CD, also contains > redhat updates and contrib, Java, and Linux Gazette. > Linux Systems Labs - BINARY only RH, Slackware, and Debian on one CD > for only $3. > We are working on a remedy for this situation. > We are also putting up a paid help desk for those who like to use one. The guy at LSL says that he will make a Debian-only CD (with the whole thing on it) if we can come up with a single floppy installation system (he will include the single floppy too). (He also said something about helping to support the project too.) The 6-floppy system is a huge drawback - I've seen a lot of complaints about it on USENET - it seems people have trouble digging up six floppies without errors. Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gdb warning
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:46:46 PST Richard Sevenich ([EMAIL PROTECTED] i.org) wrote: > Having updated to Debian 1.2.1, I get a new warning upon invoking gdb: > > 'warning: Unable to find dynamic linker breakpoint function' > > This doesn't cause problems for me, but maybe for someone else. Any > ideas on rectifying this? Gdb works best on statically linked executables. You probably were using a dynamically linked one... Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Comm problems
I believe I asked this question several months back, but don't recall if I received an answer.. Upon bootup I receive the message while it's setting up the serial ports.. /dev/cua0 no such device /dev/cua1 no such device /dev/cua2 no such device /dev/cua3 no such device Now, I modified /etc/rc.boot/0setserial to manually configure my ports, and I *CAN* connect with PPP and Minicom... eg. setserial [insert irq & port info here] spd_hi The problem is many CRC errors that occur while I'm connected. Any suggestions? Stuart Charlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sidewinde on IRC Internet censorship is an oxymoron. Pink Floyd: Still first in space... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian For The People
> From: Michael Stutz > ... > 1. Installation. dselect has sure come a long way. But installation and > package maintenance is still not so easy, especially for the novice or Linux > newbie. The keystrokes are sometimes confusing, as are some of the messages > (especially when a package is listed as "broken" but appears to work fine). Deciding which packages to install probably is also a complexity for new users. Maybe the previously-mentioned ideas of standard setups would be good, or maybe a higher-level grouping of packages might be good. (Newbie users could install chunks of packages instead of individual packages; there'd be less detail in general and fewer interactions to deal with. It's hard to decide which packages to install when you don't really know what they do.) > 2. Comprehensive documentation and "best practices." There is plenty of > excellent Linux documentation out there and more being written right now, > but where does one start? It would probably be a function of the I think: Exactly! > distribution to provide pointers to helpful documentation. For us, the Linux > Documentation Project and netnews are sufficient, but what about the newbie > who has no interest in administration, which is what we're talking about > here? ... > Also, would a document of "best practices" be useful for newbies? This might > be necessary because the Linux/GNU world is different from what a newbie is > probably used to. The idea of small tools who do their job well and can > interact with each other to form a larger whole, a staple bit of UNIX > philosophy, is foreign to them. They're used to a few monolithic > special-case applications with names like "word processor," "spreadsheet," > "desktop publishing." So when the new user is sitting there looking at her X (Hey, watch that _ex_clusive language.) > console, how does she, say, compose a letter and print it out? Use TeX? How? > How to maintain a database of names and addresses and print them to labels > for a mass mailing? Or create a simple flyer with a clip-art image and a few > fonts? That "best practices" document would be good even for somewhat-experienced users who aren't up to date on the latest Linux (or Unix in general) stuff, or don't know which of many possibilities was chosen in a particular distribution. > Not difficult tasks for someone familiar with Linux/GNU, but how would a new > user utilize all the powerful software her system is now running? Like the > development of Linux itself, I think the answer to this lies in using the > net -- be it some kind of web site/search engine with a new interface or > whatever, we need some way of compiling all our best practices/techniques > and whatnot and making it easily accessible. Not just searching through a > huge database but there needs to be some kind of categorization to the mess. ^^ Organization!--that is, not just categorization of existing documentation, but conscious organization of it, probably in a "Okay, So You've Installed Your Basic Linux System; Now What Can/Do You Do With It?" guide that points to other information, but organized logically. (Maybe the LDP documents cover most of that, in which case a smaller guide pointing to them, and noting Debian differences (and pointing to their full documentation) would be good.) > 3. Administration. ... > > 4. Awareness. ... > Michael Stutz | DESIGN SCIENCE LABS > http://dsl.org/m | Hypermedia, Internet, > Linux/GNU bumper stickers,indie rock,rants | Linux: http://dsl.org ^^^ Hmmm Daniel -- Daniel S. Barclay Compass Design Automation, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 100, 5457 Twin Knolls Rd. Columbia, MD 21045 USA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentation (Was: Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to ...)
> From: Fabien Ninoles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: > > > However, how are users supposed to find out about those things? > > (Not to say your suggestion is bad, but to address how to make that > > information easier to find.) > > What about a "Tip of the day" package in place of fortune > (just kidding ;) Good. :-) I HATE that "feature" of Windows 95. (I want a f**cking manual so I can look up what I need now and/or so I can read whole sections and know I know how to do whatever comes up in the future, without having to wait for random tip selection to have covered everything in the tips list--which is pretty short anyway.) Oh...yeah; sorry. Okay. #undef HATE_MICROSOFT_MODE > > > > Several comments / suggestions / questions / other ramblings, some directly > > on this, and some on documentation more generally: > > > > 1. I wish more old things pointed to new things (new things that replace or > > just enhance them), especially in manual pages (or wherever we think > > users usually look for definitive documentation). > > > > (You can find out you're doing things the wrong way or an old way > > by mentioning it on a mailing list, but that knowledge (from people > > who know about newer things) doesn't get captured in the written > > documentation as much as it might.) > > That's why Archive Mailing List are for. Did you suggest we should packed > it for local use and search? No, I wasn't suggesting that. Hmm. No, I don't think I'd want that--too much to search through and I don't think you could search it very reliably. > > > I know a new package can't modify an existing manual page > > (especially when you haven't even loaded the package on your system > > yet), but... > > > > 2. ...maybe creators and maintainers of new packages could ask maintainers > > (at least of documentation) of older packages to add links to the > > manual pages (etc.) > > I didn't undrestand your point here. If command "old_simple_x" is superseded by "new_fancy_x", then ideally the documentation for old_simple_x that a user might run into (e.g., the manual page) would say "don't forget that now there is new_fancy_x you might want to use instead." I _have_ seen that on a few Unix manual pages or somewhere similar (maybe GNU info pages for the C library, documenting routines that still exist but for which better replacements exist.) Obviously, not much of this is going to happen, at least not in internal documentation. Some documents, such as the HOWTO documents, do get updated a while. Maybe something based on or connected to them would be good. > > 3. Keep in mind that it's hard to keep up with constantly-changing > > documentation. That is, a new user probably would read all > > the HOWTOs, README files, etc., to get started, but after that, > > it's impossible to re-read everything just to find the changes. > > > > I would think that direct-lookup on-line documentation like manual > > pages or GNU info pages would be used on a continuing basis, so > > I would hope that all new information would make it into that > > reference documentation, and hopefully a few pointers to new, > > alternative, or add-on things could be included too. > > That's why Changelogs exists. I'm trying to find a way to consolidate the information. If I read a manual page for something, then I also have to check the /usr/doc directory...and any GNU info pages...and then I have to get the source package to check the ChangeLog (or are ChangeLogs included in binary Debian packages). That remind me of another documentation problem resulting from not thinking about how the software is installed: The diald manual page refers the reader to diald.h. Now why should I have download and install the diald source package just to learn which bits get which debugging information? Not a big or stupid mistake or anything, but it appears that the author was only thinking of the case in which users build diald themselves, and have the source code lying around. If we thought a little bit more about what we're doing... (I've seen a number of cases of little things that could have been better with just a little thought.) (Is there any documentation policy document, either for Debian or for Linux generally, to which I should contribute any useful ideas I might have?) > > > > Oh...whatever. > > Nevermind! Debian, IMNSHO, has one of the best documentation of all > Debian Distribution cause we make more than just put the docs from each > package, we corrected them and add to them. > > But criticizing help us (the maintainers) to make a better distribution. > Just don't forget to be polite and patient (We are only volunteers). > If you can wait, put your hands on then! Wait! That "whatever" was about whatever other thoughts I had that weren't clear or which I couldn't get written down--not
Re: Documentation (Was: Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to ...)
> From: John Labovitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ... > a related question -- has there been any thought of moving the debian > changelog entries into the Packages files themselves? when i run > dselect and it tells me there are updates, i would like to see what > the changelogs are before necessarily choosing to update. obviously, > this could vastly increase the size of the Packages files, but perhaps > the older changelog entries could be culled after some period of > time... Or maybe an automatic was of extracting them from the packages. (Expansion of the Packages file would be avoided, but the users who wanted this information could get it easily.) Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do access hda, fd0, etc. ?
Several people have suggested mounting the dos partition with: mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt If any text files are involved, the different newline characters in dos and linux can cause problems. Adding the conversion option to the file system specification in the mount command can reduce that problem. Try: mount -t msdos -o defaults,conv=auto /dev/hda1 /mnt Good Luck Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cryptic diald message
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, James Martino wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been trying to chase this one down, but no luck so far. I've got > daild/ppp set up to connect to my ISP using dynamic addressing. Everything > works fine, except the following weird message about "Nonzero exit status" > for route when the link goes down (plus a few lines for context)" > This is a bug in diald 0.14 that has been fixed in 0.15. 0.15 is not available yet as a debian package but may be soon. Erv ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ ==-- _ / / \ ---==---(_)__ __ __/ / /\ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / / /_/\ \ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ /__\ \ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org \_\/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg-split
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:04:57 -0800 Thanh Ngo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I downloaded Perl.deb package from internet in order to >install on my machine at home. The size of this package is more than >2M. >In the FAQ of Debian said , there is a program called dpkg-split in >ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools directory. Run this program in DOS >and >it will split the file into smaller size fitting on 1.44 floppy disk. >I could not find this progran in tools directory. >Anybody knows where I can find this dpkg-split program. >Thanks for your help. > >Thanh Ngo > > >-- >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" >to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I have just begun, my linux life, but I may be willing to suggest that you mount your dos partition in linux, personally I find it a lot faster when installing *.deb files. Although some errors do come up. Also, any suggestions on editing my fstab file to have both my hda1 and Windoze 95 hda2 auto-mount on startup. I tried to stab at it myself, and did create a directory "c" in root to mount hda1. Currently I have to type cd / | mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /c, every time I start up so that I can load in packages that have been downloaded from ftp sites. Thanx. Jason Wood Windows[n.]- another pane in the glass. Want a laugh and learn about me: http://www.ccil.org/~wood/ [my html/java is crippled, so beware... don't use Micro$oft I-Explorer, use Netscape 3.x] Have a great day/night whatever, I don't seem know 1 from the other. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ghostscript
Is ghostscript a package? or is this a dumb question? I searched the debian archives, found a lot of fonts and addons for ghostscript, but no ghostscript:( PaChi, michl electric RAIN http://www.electric-rain.net/ No such thing as an atheaist on the battlefield. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Debian CD?
In reply to On 15 Jan 1997 21:59:23 -0500 Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >"Bruce Perens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I think all existing "silver" Debian CDs are parts of sets. >> >> Infomagic - 6 CDs. >> Pacific Hightech - January edition of their Monthly CD, also >contains >> redhat updates and contrib, Java, and Linux Gazette. >> Linux Systems Labs - BINARY only RH, Slackware, and Debian >on one CD >> for only $3. > >> We are working on a remedy for this situation. >> We are also putting up a paid help desk for those who like to use >one. > >The guy at LSL says that he will make a Debian-only CD (with the whole >thing on it) if we can come up with a single floppy installation >system (he will include the single floppy too). (He also said >something about helping to support the project too.) > >The 6-floppy system is a huge drawback - I've seen a lot of complaints >about it on USENET - it seems people have trouble digging up six >floppies without errors. Just a note here, if your e-mail server doesn't mind you using ftpmail, it might be a good idea to learn how to use it. UUENCODE, or UUE does a better job with some binary information than does linx [linx seems to think that *.deb is a ASCII file, does anybody know how to change this so I can send a comment to CCIL [a local linux server] on how to reconfig so this doesn't continue to happen to me?]. Anybody who wants more information on ftpmail can send me a private e-mail, or if you feel its appropriate I will post it on the debain-user list. Jason Wood > > >Steve >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >-- >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" >to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to ...)
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 22:40:34 -0500 "Daniel S. Barclay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> From: Fabien Ninoles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: >> >> > However, how are users supposed to find out about those things? >> > (Not to say your suggestion is bad, but to address how to make >that >> > information easier to find.) >> >> What about a "Tip of the day" package in place of fortune >> (just kidding ;) > >Good. :-) I HATE that "feature" of Windows 95. (I want a f**cking >manual >so I can look up what I need now and/or so I can read whole sections >and know >I know how to do whatever comes up in the future, without having to >wait >for random tip selection to have covered everything in the tips >list--which >is pretty short anyway.) > >Oh...yeah; sorry. Okay. >#undef HATE_MICROSOFT_MODE > > > > > >> > >> > Several comments / suggestions / questions / other ramblings, some >directly >> > on this, and some on documentation more generally: >> > >> > 1. I wish more old things pointed to new things (new things that >replace or >> >just enhance them), especially in manual pages (or >wherever we think >> >users usually look for definitive documentation). >> > >> >(You can find out you're doing things the wrong way or an >old way >> >by mentioning it on a mailing list, but that knowledge >(from people >> >who know about newer things) doesn't get captured in the >written >> >documentation as much as it might.) >> >> That's why Archive Mailing List are for. Did you suggest we should >packed >> it for local use and search? > >No, I wasn't suggesting that. > >Hmm. No, I don't think I'd want that--too much to search through and >I don't >think you could search it very reliably. > > > >> >> >I know a new package can't modify an existing manual page >> >(especially when you haven't even loaded the package on >your system >> >yet), but... >> > >> > 2. ...maybe creators and maintainers of new packages could ask >maintainers >> >(at least of documentation) of older packages to add links >to the >> >manual pages (etc.) >> >> I didn't undrestand your point here. > >If command "old_simple_x" is superseded by "new_fancy_x", then ideally >the documentation for old_simple_x that a user might run into (e.g., >the >manual page) would say "don't forget that now there is new_fancy_x you >might >want to use instead." > >I _have_ seen that on a few Unix manual pages or somewhere similar >(maybe >GNU info pages for the C library, documenting routines that still >exist >but for which better replacements exist.) > >Obviously, not much of this is going to happen, at least not in >internal >documentation. > >Some documents, such as the HOWTO documents, do get updated a while. >Maybe something based on or connected to them would be good. > > >> > 3. Keep in mind that it's hard to keep up with >constantly-changing >> >documentation. That is, a new user probably would read >all >> >the HOWTOs, README files, etc., to get started, but after >that, >> >it's impossible to re-read everything just to find the >changes. >> > >> >I would think that direct-lookup on-line documentation >like manual >> >pages or GNU info pages would be used on a continuing >basis, so >> >I would hope that all new information would make it into >that >> >reference documentation, and hopefully a few pointers to >new, >> >alternative, or add-on things could be included too. >> >> That's why Changelogs exists. > >I'm trying to find a way to consolidate the information. If I read a >manual page for something, then I also have to check the /usr/doc >directory...and any GNU info pages...and then I have to get the source >package to check the ChangeLog (or are ChangeLogs included in binary >Debian packages). > >That remind me of another documentation problem resulting from not >thinking >about how the software is installed: > >The diald manual page refers the reader to diald.h. Now why should I >have >download and install the diald source package just to learn which bits >get which debugging information? Not a big or stupid mistake or >anything, >but it appears that the author was only thinking of the case in which >users build diald themselves, and have the source code lying around. > >If we thought a little bit more about what we're doing... >(I've seen a number of cases of little things that could have been >better with just a little thought.) > >(Is there any documentation policy document, either for Debian or for >Linux generally, to which I should contribute any useful ideas I might >have?) > > > >> > >> > Oh...whatever. >> >> Nevermind! Debian, IMNSHO, has one of the best documentation of all >> Debian Distribution cause we make more than just put the docs from >each >> package, we corrected them and add to them. >> >> But criticizing help us (the maintainers) to make a better >dis
to help us lighten up...
There have been a few flame wars and other "discussions" going back and forth. Although many of the topics can certainly offer good criticisms when taken with a shake of salt, perhaps we need something besides the norm here. Let's not turn our wonderful list into a jokes-only list, but I just want to try something different for a change. So, here we go... If Operating Systems Were Beers... DOS Beer: Requires you to use your own can opener, and requires you to read the directions carefully before opening the can. Originally only came in an 8-oz. can, but now comes in a 16-oz. can. However, the can is divided into 8 compartments of 2 oz. each, which have to be accessed separately. Soon to be discontinued, although a lot of people are going to keep drinking it after it's no longer available. Mac Beer: At first, came only a 16-oz. can, but now comes in a 32-oz. can. Considered by many to be a "light" beer. All the cans look identical. When you take one from the fridge, it opens itself. The ingredients list is not on the can. If you call to ask about the ingredients, you are told that "you don't need to know." A notice on the side reminds you to drag your empties to the trashcan. Windows 3.1 Beer: The world's most popular. Comes in a 16-oz. can that looks a lot like Mac Beer's. Requires that you already own a DOS Beer. Claims that it allows you to drink several DOS Beers simultaneously, but in reality you can only drink a few of them, very slowly, especially slowly if you are drinking the Windows Beer at the same time. Sometimes, for apparently no reason, a can of Windows Beer will explode when you open it. OS/2 Beer: Comes in a 32-oz can. Does allow you to drink several DOS Beers simultaneously. Allows you to drink Windows 3.1 Beer simultaneously too, but somewhat slower. Advertises that its cans won't explode when you open them, even if you shake them up. You never really see anyone drinking OS/2 Beer, but the manufacturer (International Beer Manufacturing) claims that 9 million six-packs have been sold. Windows 95 Beer: You can't buy it yet, but a lot of people have taste-tested it and claim it's wonderful. The can looks a lot like Mac Beer's can, but tastes more like Windows 3.1 Beer. It comes in 32-oz. cans, but when you look inside, the cans only have 16 oz. of beer in them. Most people will probably keep drinking Windows 3.1 Beer until their friends try Windows 95 Beer and say they like it. The ingredients list, when you look at the small print, has some of the same ingredients that come in DOS beer, even though the manufacturer claims that this is an entirely new brew. Windows NT Beer: Comes in 32-oz. cans, but you can only buy it by the truckload. This causes most people to have to go out and buy bigger refrigerators. The can looks just like Windows 3.1 Beer's, but the company promises to change the can to look just like Windows 95 Beer's - after Windows 95 beer starts shipping. Touted as an "industrial strength" beer, and suggested only for use in bars. Unix Beer: Comes in several different brands, in cans ranging from 8 oz. to 64 oz. Drinkers of Unix Beer display fierce brand loyalty, even though they claim that all the different brands taste almost identical. Sometimes the pop-tops break off when you try to open them, so you have to have your own can opener around for those occasions, in which case you either need a complete set of instructions, or a friend who has been drinking Unix Beer for several years. AmigaDOS Beer: The company has gone out of business, but their recipe has been picked up by some weird German company, so now this beer will be an import. This beer never really sold very well because the original manufacturer didn't understand marketing. Like Unix Beer, AmigaDOS Beer fans are an extremely loyal and loud group. It originally came in a 16-oz. can, but now comes in 32-oz. cans too. When this can was originally introduced, it appeared flashy and colorful, but the design hasn't changed much over the years, so it appears dated now. Critics of this beer claim that it is only meant for watching TV anyway. VMS Beer: Requires minimal user interaction, except for popping the top and sipping. However cans have been known on occasion to explode, or contain extremely un-beer-like contents. Best drunk in high pressure development environments. When you call the manufacturer for the list of ingredients, you're told that is proprietary and referred to an unknown listing in the manuals published by the FDA. Rumors are that this was once listed in the Physicians' Desk Reference as a tranquilizer, but no one can claim to have actually seen it. --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer & Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTE
updating packages with dpkg
Hi, I have been updating packages by manually ftping them from ftp.debian.org and putting them in a directory which I have nfs exported to the other three machines. I have then been running dpkg -i manually to install the packages I want updated. I was just about to write a script to do a comparison between my local downloaded .deb files and the output of a dpkg -l when I realised that there is probably a tool to already do this. I couldn't see a way to do this on the dpkg man page. What I want is a way comparing what is currently installed (dpkg -l) with what is available on my local mirror. What is the proper way to do this. If I need to RTFM please point me to the M. Thanks, Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: updating packages with dpkg
On Jan 16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Shand) wrote: > What I want is a way comparing what is currently installed (dpkg -l) with > what is available on my local mirror. > I believe the package you are looking for is dftp (not to be confused with dpkg-ftp). Steve Greenland -- The Mole - I think, therefore I scream "I saw _Lassie_. It took me four shows to figure out why the hairy kid never spoke. I mean, he could roll over and all that, but did that deserve a series?" [The awful movie EXPLORERS -- the stand-up alien] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can any one recommend a mailreader...
EXMH is a powerful X-based reader that meats all of your criterion (except perhaps filename completion as I am not quite sure exactly what you are talking about here). > other than pine. I would like a simple curses based > reader that easily allows one to configure the mail to read > automatically into separate folders depending on > the address it came from, allows filename completion > when reading files in or when going to different folders,etc. > > Preferably any configuration should be built into the interface > itself, i.e. it would be nice to avoid editing a configuration > file directly. > -Walter > > The system I intend to run it on is the university system running > slackware. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can any one recommend a mailreader...
> EXMH is a powerful X-based reader that meats all of your criterion (except > perhaps filename completion as I am not quite sure exactly what you are > talking about here). While I use Exmh, and I would highly recommend it myself, as far as I can tell, it meets none of the asked for criteria. It is Tcl/tk based, not curses, so it requires X. While it can handle multiple folders and can do automatic sorting, it is best (IMHO) used with slocal or procmail to handle the sorting for you. Even with its native sorting, you have to edit an external file to handle the sorting for you. It doesn't need filename completion because it is all point-and-click with file selectors and folder lists, etc. My suggestion would be a combination of procmail (to handle sorting) and elm. It doesn't do all you want or all that exmh does, but I'm happy with it when I'm away from my home machine. > > > other than pine. I would like a simple curses based > > reader that easily allows one to configure the mail to read > > automatically into separate folders depending on > > the address it came from, allows filename completion > > when reading files in or when going to different folders,etc. > > > > Preferably any configuration should be built into the interface > > itself, i.e. it would be nice to avoid editing a configuration > > file directly. > > -Walter > > > > The system I intend to run it on is the university system running > > slackware. > -- > John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) > Custom Programming| > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacaphony of the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects." -- A.L.A. v. U.S. Dept. of Justice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ghostscript
Fundamental wrote: > > Is ghostscript a package? or is this a dumb question? > > I searched the debian archives, found a lot of fonts and addons for > ghostscript, but no ghostscript:( > > PaChi, > > michl > > electric RAIN http://www.electric-rain.net/ > > No such thing as an atheaist on the battlefield. I think you want the gs package, actually gv is probably "better". -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Timestamping Error?
Hello my favorite mailing list I do this in succession within seconds of each other: endo% date Wed Jan 15 23:33:46 PST 1997 endo% touch hello endo% ls -al hello -rw-r--r-- 1 endo staff 0 Jan 16 00:26 hello endo% If you notice, the timestamp is almost an hour off. Any one have any clues or have experienced this? Running Debian 1.1./1.2 hybrid. Thanks in advance, Roger -- ~~ Roger Endo President, Warp 9 Technologies LLC SBnet, Internet for Santa Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED] 805-961-0150 ~~ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can any one recommend a mailreader...
On Jan 15, Walter Tautz wrote
> other than pine. I would like a simple curses based
> reader
> that easily allows one to configure the mail to read
> automatically into separate folders depending on
> the address it came from,
I'm not sure if I'm understanding you here: if you want incoming mail to
be split into different folders, this should be done by a mail-processor
(such as procmail or mailagent), rather than a mail user agent ("mailer").
> allows filename completion
> when reading files in or when going to different folders,etc.
>
> Preferably any configuration should be built into the interface
> itself, i.e. it would be nice to avoid editing a configuration
> file directly.
Mutt comes close: it is curses based and can be configured to go through
several folders in sequence. It does have a configuration file however
(although you can change settings for the current run at run-time).
Other distinguishing features: MIME support (mutt handles text types itself,
others go through metamail), threading, PGP support, color support,
message postponement, very configurable, easy for ELM users to switch to.
See http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~me/mutt/index.html ,
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/ for detailed information.
HTH,
Ray
P.S. Debian has a mutt package, but it is somewhat outdated.
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Re: ghostscript
On Jan 16, Bob Clark wrote
> I think you want the gs package,
Yes. The non-free one if possible, because it is better.
> actually gv is probably "better".
No. ghoscript is a PostScript interpreter, with very limited viewing
capabilities; gv and ghostview are PostScript viewers that use ghostscript
as their interpreter. gv is based on ghostview, but looks cooler, does
PDF ("acrobat") and probably has other advantages.
Ray
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Midnight Commander and gpm
Do I have to do anything to make mc talk to the mouse? At the moment, the mouse is just doing cut-and-paste as usual when mc is running. Tony. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tar dumps core
Hi, Has anyone else seen this before? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp # dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=100 100+0 records in 100+0 records out [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp # tar cvf test.tar file file [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp # tar tvfM test.tar -rw-r--r-- cmchow/cmchow 51200 Jan 16 17:37 1997 file Segmentation fault (core dumped) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp # It won't dump core if file is smaller (say a few KB) or the option M is not used. Debian 1.2, tar 1.11.8-5, libc5 5.4.13-1. Thanks. -- Billy C.-M. Chow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Department of Systems Engineering The Chinese University of Hong Kong -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: updating packages with dpkg
>> What I want is a way comparing what is currently installed (dpkg -l) with >> what is available on my local mirror. > >I believe the package you are looking for is dftp (not to be confused >with dpkg-ftp). Hmm, I think you're correct. It seems pretty bare bones but it will hopefully do the trick :) One question: If I have packages in /debian and I want to update to newer packages with dftp do I need to have the packages in /debian organised into the same heirarchy are they are on ftp.debian.org? Or can they all just be thrown into on big dir? Thanks, Adam. Earthlight Communications Limited --- P.O. Box 5301Adam Shand (fax) +64 3 477 5463 Dunedin, New ZealandSystems Manager(voice) +64 3 479 0303 --- http://www.earthlight.co.nz/homepage.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Packages installation from floppy disks
Dear Sir/Madam, As you say, I am a newbie in Linux. I have installed the Debian distribution from the floppy disks. Now, I would like to install some packages from msdos floppy disks but dselect ask me for 'packages disk'. How do I create it ? Moreover, some packages are greater than 1.44 Mb. How can I get them from internet with a computer and then install them on another computer with help of floppy disks ? Thanks Franck -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pernewbie_question
> > > I have used Debian for some time, yet seem to be a permanent newbie - > a 'pernewbie'. > > I updated from 1.1.4 to 1.2.1 and have one remaining glitch; lpr has a > problem. I am hoping someone can give me the simple solution: > > 1. As root, an attempt to 'lpr filename' leads to this error message > "lpr: /dev/lp1: unknown printer" >whereas > 'cat filename > /dev/lp1' >works OK and the /etc/printcap file looks OK and is one that used >to work. > > 2. As a user other than root, 'lpr filename' works just fine. > > Hints? > > Thanks in advance, Richard Check what "which lpr" says, both as a normal user and as root. tcsh user, MartinS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[no subject]
Hello, we have set up a router using a whole bunch of 3c509b-ethernet-cards (finally getting all recognized with a little kernel-patch). Now I have 2 ICN 4B-cards in this mashine. We are running debian 1.2 with kernel 2.0.27. I am unable to get the cards to load their firmware. I got a test-program from thinking objects, but still am unable to get a single location of shared memory for the card. All possible locations beside 0xb8000 report errors, and 0xb8000 seems to be the video-area. There is nothing in the box beside a Triton Motherboard, 6 3c509b-cards, a vga-adapter and the icn-cards. We run industrial hardware with a passive backlane with 14 isa-slots. I need to get this *mne* router working within the next week. Has anyone an idea? Regards Thomas Tomiczek System Administrator SIRECO INTERNET SERVICES GmbH -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Linux much easier to install on 68k or PPC?
> > "Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hamish> I think you're overlooking the Cyrix unfairly. A Cyrix > Sorry, I did indeed overlook the Cyrix. Nothing against it! Good to hear. Thanks for the clarification. hamish -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Discussion Role Based Packages (was Re: Fax programs! help please. (fwd)
Orn E. Hansen wrote: > > What Im driving at is... for a writer, make an environment > suitable for writers... and for an office worker set up an > environment for an office worker... each can be based on a > common os... but to try and create a one setup to serve > all... will only fail (unless you're going for a > guaranteed ten years service part :-) > Proposal: While watching the discussion concerning dselect that went on a while back it occured to me the deselect may not be the best place to implement "role based system configuration" (a setup based on what the intended user will be doing). It seems to me that dpkg should (already) support recursive packages. That is, the install(remove) script for a package would invoke dpkg to install(remove) other packages as well as modify config(and .*rc) files. And, rather than just making suggestions about how to improve dselect it would be easy enough to constuct a role based package and say 'see like this'. My current configuration is nothing to brag about, but I would like to see what the experts have done. The main benefit would be to allow an installer to invoke dpkg once(few) times on a(some) role based package(s). 1) is this possible? 2) if so, how would it be done? 3) does anyone out there feel that their setup is exemplary? (given a particular role) 4) assuming positive answers on the previous; I think such packages would be best suited for "admin". 5) would it be possible to generate a role package automagically from the dpkg status files? Thanks, from a gnubie -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg-split
Somebody already suggested mounting the DOS partition so that Linux can see it, but if you still want dpkg-split it's in package dpkg. The full path is /usr/bin/dpkg-split // Heikki -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: novice questions
Larry Clayton writes: > 1. On startup the initial login will not take any input--as if the > keyboard was frozen. So I go to vc 2 and login. Then I can login at > vc 1 again. But after I succeed with the password, it still won't > give me a prompt until I do a Ctrl C. What's happening? > > 2. It often stalls at shutdown. I get these messages: > The system is going down for reboot NOW !! > INIT: Switching to runlevel: 6 > INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal > INIT: Sending processes the Kill signal > At that point it stalls--and freezes the machine. > So I have to reset the machine. Next > time I bring up linux it has to go through e2fsck. > > 3. When I call man, for example man 9wm, I get the response, "What > manual page do you want from section 9wm?" So I try man 9wm.1 and get > the same response. What is the appropriate answer to such a question? I can't comment on #1 & #3, but I experienced #2 when I ran release 1.1. The ultimate fix was to upgrade to release 1.2 -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
Syrus Nemat-Nasser writes: [snip] > read it. Please don't feel concerned that this list is too technical for > the simpler questions. All of us were new to Linux and Debian at one > time. IMHO, the best thing that a "newbie" can do is RTFM when they can The problem with RTFM is sometime the "manual" is too big and one gets lost trying to figure out where to start (or too much info to absorb in the first pass through) > find it, and ask the simple questions when they can't find the docs. > Then, answer the simple questions when the next "newbie" comes along. At > that point, you're not a "newbie" any more, so maybe you're just a "bie"? This is the "best" solution. When you get settled in (i.e. not a 'newby'), you pickup the torch and help those 'newbies' who are desperate 8-) and need assurance that they will be helped. One of the best aspects of this list is the _friendly_ help one gets even if the question has already been asked 100 times. I find that when I have a question about a subject, I read this list for a week or so before asking. A lot of times, someone has already asked the question and there are the answers! 8-) -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
trident 9440
I use the Trident 9440AGi card with X windows. You will need the SVGA server for X windows to drive this card. Be aware that you may have to lie to the configuration program and state the video ram as twice the size reported by SuperProbe. I ran into this situation when I configured Xwindows. I don't know if it is a problem with SuperProbe or the server. -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP and /contrib
Kendrick Myatt wrote: > > Hi folks :) 2 quick questions... > > 1)What is the best (easiest) way to get a PPP connection from my > debian box to my isp via a modem? Ideally I'd like for it to be like my > Win95 box (stop throwing things!) and dial on demand when I need Internet, > and redial if disconnected. Is this possible? > I remember years ago getting ppp with pppd, but it did not have > those features I would like, and I think it was hard to work with. Surely > there is something better now... Thanks in advance for any info! :) I have one word for you: diald. diald is an excellent package which does exactly what you're describing. It will dial up a connection to your ISP on demand and transparently. It very gracefully reconnect if the line is dropped. If its configuration is a little complicated (and it isn't that complicated) it is only because it allows very sophisticated configuration of how long to let the connection go idle based up what packets have recently been sent. I have been using diald at my office for months and once you get it up you can forget about it. It just works. [ question I'm not going to field deleted ] > > Regards, > > Kendrick > -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can any one recommend a mailreader...
> While I use Exmh, and I would highly recommend it myself, as far as I > can tell, it meets none of the asked for criteria. > > It is Tcl/tk based, not curses, so it requires X. While it can handle Oops, missed that one. Sorry. Although it should be noted that MH can be used without X. > multiple folders and can do automatic sorting, it is best (IMHO) used > with slocal or procmail to handle the sorting for you. Even with its Well, as an MH program, that is expected. It is fully documented. slocal is part of MH. > native sorting, you have to edit an external file to handle the sorting > for you. It doesn't need filename completion because it is all I am not aware of a different reader for Unix that does automatic filtering without editing an external file. Anyway, it's very easy to set up. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How emulate a SUN keyboard in olvwm?
Dany Dionne wrote: > > we have olvwm in your debian box and we would be able to use the F keys > (F1,F2,etc) to emulate the keys front,open,cut,copy,paste,help on a SUN > keyboard. I think that i must edit the .Xmodmap file but i don't known > what i must write in it. > Since I need F1 to 10 for the mc, I have put the four most important SUN keys to F11 and F12: .Xmodmap: ! F1=Help (move pointer on panel, press F1 to show help on the item) ! F19=Find (after having selected some text, press F2 to do a search) ! F20=Cut (select text, press F3 to move text into clipboard) ! F16=Copy (select text, press F4 to copy text into clipboard) ! F18=Paste (insert text from clipboard at caret position) ! keycode 0x5F = F20 F20 F19 F19 keycode 0x60 = F18 F18 F16 F16 This means F11=Cut, Alt-F11=Find, F12=Paste, Alt-F12=Copy. All SUN keys are recognized as F15 to F25 so you can address them in a similar way. Best wishes -- Volker -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any IRC channels for (Debian) Linux?
Moin Hanno! Try shame.blackdown.org: if mean.netppl.fi is too far for you. Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / To-Zeilen in öffentlichen Nachrichten ist FidoNet-Technologie / / ^^ / / ... endlich 'mal wieder ein echt gelungener Witz!!! / / -- Rainer Scholz / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: novice questions
Thomas Kocourek wrote: >Larry Clayton writes: [snip] > 3. When I call man, for example man 9wm, I get the response, "What > manual page do you want from section 9wm?" So I try man 9wm.1 and get > the same response. What is the appropriate answer to such a question? It looks like it's interpreting the 9 of 9wm as the manual section number. I'm sure this shouldn't happen, but you might try giving it a section number explicitly with: man 9 9wm HTH, Casper Boden-Cummins. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cfinger and .xface
Ben Gertzfield writes: > Hi, all. Has anyone had luck putting their X-Face in the .xface file > for cfinger? Mine has two $s in it, which seems to make cfingerd try > to interpolate them into variables. How can I fix this? Normally I would say use $$ or \$ instead, but I'll try... man cfingerd --> man cfingerd.conf --> man cfingerd.text --> If you want to display a raw "$" sign, simply put two "$" signs together, or "$$". Regards Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / To-Zeilen in öffentlichen Nachrichten ist FidoNet-Technologie / / ^^ / / ... endlich 'mal wieder ein echt gelungener Witz!!! / / -- Rainer Scholz / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian-user as a digest?
The traffic on this list has become very heavy. Is it possible to get this list as a digest, e.g. once a day? -- Alexander List, Neue-Welt-Hoehe 52a, A-8042 Graz, Austria, EU phone: +43-316-474737 Home address: Dafens 4, A-6824 Schlins, Austria, EU phone: +43-5524-8560 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/alexlist PGP public key available via WWW or on request -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inexpensive color printer experience
The 'stcolor' driver in Alladdin Ghostscript 4.01 works well for me on my Epson Stylus. No 'scratching' required... Michael Linh Dang wrote: > > I've just bought a Epson Stylus 200 for $240 CAN (~ $180 US). It didn't try > the > color mode with Linux YET but color-printing is fine (in W95 :-() even > for > T-Shirt. (La)TeX documents look awsome (with -sUnidirectional option > for > ghostcsript). Oh yeah ! the Debian (1.1) ghostcsript package has no support > for > the Stylus, I have to build it from scratch :- what a shame ! > > dvips generates really really good bitmap fonts so your (La)TeX documents > look > close to laser-quality. Documents which use standard ps-fonts look > bad > (ghostscript's fonts is far from good !). On Win95, the TT fonts don't > look > very nice neither. > > So if you use (La)TeX for some front-end (LyX) for your documents, they > will > look really professional on this very cheap printer. Make sure you to add > the > -sUnidirectional option to ghostscript. It makes printing twice slower > but > your verticall lines are aligned ! > > -- > = > Linh Dang Nortel Technology > Member of Scientific StaffSpeech Recognition Software > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: to help us lighten up...
Hi girls, I really enjoyed Pete Templin's message about OS brews and, since it didn't mention Linux in particular, I thought you folks would relate better to this one... Sincere apologies for loading this otherwise serious list with another joke but I think the Linux bit really gets to the point. ;) -- Papy-EFB Peg: "What are you thinking?" Al : "If I wanted you to know, I'd be talking instead of thinking." Author: Mike Werner/Marketing/Paris/SITA/WW (09/13/96) Category: Other Subject: If Airlines were run like operating systems Straight from the 'Net': DOS Air Passengers walk out onto the runway, grab hold of the plane, push it until it gets in the air, hop on, then jump off when it hits the ground. They grab the plane again, push it back into the air, hop on, jump off... Mac Airways The cashiers, flight attendants, and pilots all look the same, talk the same, and act the same. When you ask them questions about the flight, they reply that you don't want to know, don't need to know, and would you please return to your seat and watch the movie. Windows Airlines The terminal is neat and clean, the attendants courteous, the pilots capable. The fleet of Lear jets the carrier operates is immense. Your jet takes off without a hitch, pushes above the clouds, and, at 20,000 feet, explodes without warning. OS/2 Skyways The terminal is almost empty - only a few prospective passengers mill about. The announcer says that a flight has just departed, although no planes appear to be on the runway. Airline personnel apologize profusely to customers in hushed voices, pointing from time to time to the sleek, powerful jets outside. They tell each passenger how great the flight will be on these new jets and how much safer it will be than Windows Airlines, but they will have to wait a little longer for the technicians to finish the flight systems. Maybe until mid-1995. Maybe longer. Fly Windows NT Passengers carry their seats out onto the tarmac and place them in the outline of a plane. They sit down, flap their arms, and make jet swooshing sounds as if they are flying. UNIX Express Passengers bring a piece of the airplane and a box of tools with them to the airport. They gather on the tarmac, arguing about what kind of plane they want to build. The passengers split into groups and build several different aircraft but give them all the same name. Only some passengers reach their destinations, but all of them believe they arrived. VMS Virtual Mobile Syndicate A large black jet whick looks like something Darth Vader would fly on weekends. No one is allowed to look under the hood. The plane is unresponsive, moves and steers like a cow. All controls come with preset defaults, most of which are unchangeable. The operating instructions for the plane occupy its own hanger. IBM's OS/360 Air Tram A group of engineers led by Fred Brooks walk out on the runway and start assembling a plane. As the departure time approaches, more engineers are added to the plane's construction but assembly is only slower than before. By the time the plane is fully assembled, a new mode of propulsion has been invented. The greatest contribution of the OS/360 Air Tram is the inflight magazine, "The Mythical Man Monthly". Linux People's Express A single passenger from the Unix Express wanders over to his own portion of the runway and starts to assemble his own plane. As the plane gets closer to completion, other passengers leave Unix Express to help him with assembly. A small, sleek, responsive plane is finally built. However, before each flight, a group of engineers yank parts from the plane and replace them with the latest and greatest components. A new engine is available weekly. Planes from Linux's "People's Express" are available through mail order kits. (Some assemble required.)
Re: tar dumps core
Yes, I've experienced this too. : It won't dump core if file is smaller (say a few KB) or the option M : is not used. I've put together a set of 3 QIC-150 tapes with debian 1.2. Reading/testing every single tape back is ok, where of course the overlapping files are lost. Reading it back with "M"-option makes the first tape give a Segmentation fault at an offset of about 60MB. At the first glance I thought it were a bad media, but the critical point has shown to be exactly at the same byte on another media. Anyway, I had to put in the variable LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libgnumalloc.so.5 in debian 1.2 to make tar go without seg fault, but this didn't help against that multi volume trap. Then I realized the same behavior on this special set of tapes at another system, running an older kernel and another distribution, but the same tar version "GNU tar 1.11.8". So, is this fault really ((tar-version) + data)-dependent? I usually read my tapes back with the -t option, to avoid media problems and know in advance, what surely will bit me in the future, and worked around with reading the tapes as single tapes. -Andreas. -- Uni Wuppertal, FB Elektrotechnik, Tel/Fax: (0202) 439 - 3009 Dr. Andreas Wehler; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unidentified subject!
Hi! I'm trying to use dwww to read the Debian documentation but the following error message appears when I access some of the links: The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww was not found on this server. The links done automatically by dwww seem to be fine. I suspect that perhaps the apache server is not executing cgi-bin scripts (dwww is a symlink to /usr/lib/httpd/cgi-bin/dwww.cgi script). Has anyone met this problem with dwww? I appreciate your help. Ramos. --- J. RAMOS Goncalves | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Physics - University of Reading - England - U.K. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do access hda, fd0, etc. ?
> Several people have suggested mounting the dos partition with: > mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt > > If any text files are involved, the different newline characters in dos > and linux can cause problems. Adding the conversion option to the file > system specification in the mount command can reduce that problem. Try: > > mount -t msdos -o defaults,conv=auto /dev/hda1 /mnt I think the 'conv=auto' options is now default for msdos and vfat file systems. If sometimes you *don't* want this, like for copying binary files without risk, you need to add 'conv=noauto' or something else. Alexander Gieg =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By: Alexander Gieg E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3222 IRC: AlexG =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There will be a time in which *all* the computers in the Earth will be using Linux! Amen! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with dwww.
Hi! I'm trying to use dwww to read the Debian documentation but the following error message appears when I access some of the links: The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww was not found on this server. The links done automatically by dwww seem to be fine. I suspect that perhaps the apache server is not executing cgi-bin scripts (dwww is a symlink to /usr/lib/httpd/cgi-bin/dwww.cgi script). Has anyone met this problem with dwww? I appreciate your help. Ramos. --- J. RAMOS Goncalves | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Physics - University of Reading - England - U.K. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webserver/CGI
On 16 Jan 1997, Mathieu GUILLAUME wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > : Hi there, I have need for a web server to do one and only one > : thing, run a single CGI script. I've installed Apache on my system, and > : started to configure it when I though that Apache might be overkill. This > : server must be VERY secure as it is both my mail server and my RADIUS > : server. I linked ~www-data/index.html to /dev/null so that users cannot > : (hopefully) retrieve any documents, but I'm wondering if somebody has a > : better suggestion? > > What about just making a little program that listens on port 80 and > replies with your CGI when asked for something ? That would be a > solution, if you want anybody to be able to run this script. If you want > something more elaborate, just make this program a bit more elaborate > (something that replies only if queried a specified document, or a > password system). > I *think* it should work all right, but then I'm no specialist. As an alternative, you might consider wn. It provides a very secure environment while being light-weight. There's an existing debian package and I'm developing an update. --- Jean Pierre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libc5_5.4.14-1?
Were can I find libc5_5.4.14-1? Several apps in 1.2.2 have dependencies on it an only libc5_5.4.13-1 seems to be available. Is this a bug? Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://widget.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I cannot upgrade from 2.0.0 to 2.0.27
Can anybody tell me what I need to successfully upgrade from 2.0.0 to 2.0.27. When I run dpkg on the kerneld package it says every is fine but unfortunately my sound, cd-rom and floppies stops working. Anyone? // D.J. Mashao, [EMAIL PROTECTED], -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can any one recommend a mailreader...
J.H.M.Dassen wrote: > PATRIOTISM A great British writer once said that if he had to choose > between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would > have the decency to betray his country. > - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan > Exceptionally off-topic, but the writer was E.M.Forster... (he who gave us "Room with a View", "Passage to India" and other period movies :)) Stephen --- "Normality is a statistical illusion." -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Multifunction Cards
Hello everyone, I am thinking of getting one of those multifuncion (Modem, Fax, Answerphone, Sound ...) cards. I know of only two such cards (1) The microConnect 34 office and (2) The Aztech Telephony 3000 I wonder if anyone could let me know of any other and what is the pecking order interms of quality and linux compatibility Thanks Jonathan Lawson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libc5_5.4.14-1?
Brian K Servis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Were can I find libc5_5.4.14-1? Several apps in 1.2.2 have > dependencies on it an only libc5_5.4.13-1 seems to be available. It's in unstable. > Is this a bug? Yes, but has been fixed in Debian 1.2.3. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: your mail
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Thomas Tomiczek wrote: >we have set up a router using a whole bunch of 3c509b-ethernet-cards >(finally getting all recognized with a little kernel-patch). Now I have 2 >ICN 4B-cards in this mashine. We are running debian 1.2 with kernel >2.0.27. > >I am unable to get the cards to load their firmware. I got a test-program >from thinking objects, but still am unable to get a single location of >shared memory for the card. > >All possible locations beside 0xb8000 report errors, and 0xb8000 seems to >be the video-area. > >There is nothing in the box beside a Triton Motherboard, 6 3c509b-cards, a >vga-adapter and the icn-cards. We run industrial hardware with a passive >backlane with 14 isa-slots. > >I need to get this *mne* router working within the next week. Has anyone >an idea? [Please tell your mailer to really break the lines to 75 col's] Did you try the PCI/PnP setup? Sometimes it's possible to exclude certain memory areas from beeing reserved for Plug-and-Pray purposes. You could also try isapnptools (see linux/drivers/sound/README for location) to deconfigure all PnP components in case the Motherboard has PnP BIOS. Nils -- \ /| Nils Rennebarth --* WINDOWS 42 *-- | Schillerstr. 61 / \| 37083 Göttingen | ++49-551-71626 Micro$oft's final answer | http://www.nus.de/~nils -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian 1.2.3
Debian 1.2.3 is released and contains eight updated packages.
Here is the entire ChangeLog (debian/stable/ChangeLog on ftp sites),
since I never posted a similiar announce for 1.2.1 and 1.2.2.
--- Debian 1.2.3 Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:12:39 -0600
cron (3.0pl1-37) stable unstable; urgency=medium
* Corrected postinst,prerm, and postrm scripts -- Installs and
removes rc.d links, and re-starts cron after install.
* More fixes from the BSD crew, sent to me by Marek Michalkiewicz: mostly
checks for null pointers, but also a few Makefile fixes, and at least
one potential buffer overrun (but I know of no exploits).
* Left in suidmanager stuff, but corrected default permission to 4755,
per Debian standards.
* Added CHANGES file (as /usr/doc/cron/changelog.upstream.gz) to
distribution. Added upstream README to distribution.
* Moved files out of ./debian/extra into ./debian because dpkg-source
cannot deal with createing directories. Hmmph.
* Removed filereaper reference from standard.daily
diald (0.14-9) stable unstable; urgency=low
* Correct diald-deb(8) and /etc/init.d/diald (#6379).
* /var/lib/diald/ip-{up,down} are now configuration files and they are
kept between upgrades (#5980 #6184).
* postinst perfected, diald fifo is g+rw for group dialout (#6183).
* diald fifo moved to /var/run. This is created/removed by the init
script.
dpkg (1.4.0.6) stable unstable; urgency=high
* Patched lib/vercmp.c to hopefully fix dselect epoch processing
(Bug#6204), (Bug#4590).
* Patched scripts/dpkg-buildpackage, scripts/dpkg-genchanges,
scripts/dpkg-gencontrol for epoch processing, courtesy of Loic Prylli
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Bug#6138).
* Patched dpkg-genchanges to actually honor the -u switch to specify
directory (Bug#5564).
* Applied patch to main/archive.c to correct problems setting set[gu]id
binaries, courtesy of Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(Bug#5479).
* Applied patch to dpkg-source to correct debian-only package names,
courtesy of Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Bug#5355).
libg++27 (2.7.2.1-6) stable unstable; urgency=low
* The unstripped shared libs in the -dev package caused problems, so I'm
removing them again.
* -5 and later fixes the order of the shared libs and links to them.
This release is the first without known problems, so
it should go into stable.
mgetty (1.0.0-1) stable unstable; urgency=low
* New upstream non-beta release. Voice Part removed since
considered unstable
perl (5.003.07-5) stable unstable; urgency=low
* Moved config.over.MK to the debian directory so that all the files
that I add are there.
* Just ignore the mkdir on /usr/local as the easiest solution to the
NFS-ro /usr/local problem. Suggestion by Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
xfig (3.1.4b-6) stable unstable; urgency=low
* recompiled to remove the libc5_5.4.17-1 dependancy.
(now only depends on libc5_5.4.13-1).
zlib (1:1.0.4-5) stable unstable; urgency=low
* Add epoch, to make dselect happier
--- Debian 1.2.2 Fri, 10 Jan 1997 07:46:29 -0600
doc-linux (97.01-2) stable unstable; urgency=low
* Change invalid distribution field "frozen" to "stable" in changelog
* Do not install invalid upstream files INDEX.html and mini/INDEX.html
as they do not work with the gzip'ed documents, and there is no point
in patching the html as the most popular webbrowser cannot cope with
compressed documents anyway (fixes bug #6413)
* HOWTOs that are new or updated since the last release in December:
AX25 BootPrompt Commercial Consultants DOStoLinux Distribution
HOWTO-INDEX INDEX INFO-SHEET ISP-Hookup Installation Java-CGI
META-FAQ PCMCIA Serial XFree86
* mini-HOWTOs that are new or updated since the last release in December:
Advocacy BogoMips Bridge+Firewall CD-Writer Clock DHCP
Dynamic-IP-Hacks GTEK-BBS-550 INDEX Linux+WinNT++ Locales
Multiple-Disks-Layout NFS-Root NFS-Root-Client PPP-over-minicom
ZIP-Install
wu-ftpd (2.4-27) stable unstable; urgency=medium
* patch (security and PORT command)
* missing wtmp is logged as LOG_NOTICE, not longer as LOG_ERR,
since it's normal, but significant ;-)
xemeraldia (0.3-7) unstable stable; urgency=high
* Recompiled with libc5.4.13 (bug #6424)
xfig (3.1.4b-5) stable unstable; urgency=low
* changed application name back to Fig (upstream maintainer request)
* converted to new source format
* added menu file to package
* added a few doc's.
--- Debian 1.2.1 Thu, 2 Jan 1997 02:16:15 -0600
adduser (2.13) stable unstable; urgency=high
* debmakisiert.
* Fixed dependencies. Removed stupid script.
* Maintainer address changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* /etc/adduser.conf added as a conffile
base-files (1.2.4) unstable; urgency=low
* Add "Provides: base", and "Requires: base-passwd, makedev".
boot-floppies (1.2.4) unstable; urgency=low
* Custom boo
RE: ICN-Card-Problem PLEASE HELP / URGENT
Thanks for your mail. Lets go on... -Original Message- From: Nils Rennebarth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Donnerstag, 16. Januar 1997 17:47 To: Thomas Tomiczek Cc: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Subject:Re: your mail On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Thomas Tomiczek wrote: >we have set up a router using a whole bunch of 3c509b-ethernet-cards >(finally getting all recognized with a little kernel-patch). Now I have 2 >ICN 4B-cards in this mashine. We are running debian 1.2 with kernel >2.0.27. > >I am unable to get the cards to load their firmware. I got a test-program >from thinking objects, but still am unable to get a single location of >shared memory for the card. > >All possible locations beside 0xb8000 report errors, and 0xb8000 seems to >be the video-area. > >There is nothing in the box beside a Triton Motherboard, 6 3c509b-cards, a >vga-adapter and the icn-cards. We run industrial hardware with a passive >backlane with 14 isa-slots. > >I need to get this *mne* router working within the next week. Has anyone >an idea? [Please tell your mailer to really break the lines to 75 col's] [Tomiczek] Uups - we use Outlook here, seems I need to go through the config. Well, I will anyway install exchange next days... Did you try the PCI/PnP setup? Sometimes it's possible to exclude certain memory areas from beeing reserved for Plug-and-Pray purposes. [Tomiczek] Yes, I did... Well, there is no pnp on this babe. BIOS PnP is disabled, all stuff is hardwired. I really do not like to have PnP in a router. You could also try isapnptools (see linux/drivers/sound/README for location) to deconfigure all PnP components in case the Motherboard has PnP BIOS. [Tomiczek] Do I really need to give this a try when pnp is already disabled? I also disabled all shadowing in the BIOS. Nils -- \ /| Nils Rennebarth --* WINDOWS 42 *-- | Schillerstr. 61 / \| 37083 Göttingen | ++49-551-71626 Micro$oft's final answer | http://www.nus.de/~nils [Tomiczek] By the way, your websites-reference seems to be - well - I always get 'host not found' or better, nslookup gets unexistent domain... Thanks for your help... (Vielen Dank) Thomas Tomiczek System Administrator SIRECO INTERNET SERVICES GmbH -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Test
This is a test to see if I can post to the list yet. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SECURITY: Important bug fix for /sbin/login (fwd)
Guys, has this been fixed in debian? If not, can anyone explain how to install an rpm package so I can try out rpm within debian? ;-) -- Their is a buffer overrun in /bin/login which has the potential to allow any user of your system to gain root access. util-linux-2.5-29 contains a fix for this and is available for Red Hat Linux 4.0 on all four platforms. We strongly recommend that all of Red Hat 4.0 usres apply this fix. Users of Red Hat Linux versions earlier then 4.0 should upgrade to 4.0 and then apply all available security pacakges. Users whose computers have direct internet connections may apply this update by using one of the following commands: Intel: rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.redhat.com/updates/4.0/i386/util-linux-2.5-29.i386.rpm Alpha: rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.redhat.com/updates/4.0/axp/util-linux-2.5-29.axp.rpm SPARC: rpm -Uvh ftp://ftp.redhat.com/updates/4.0/sparc/util-linux-2.5-29.sparc.rpm All of these packages have been signed with Red Hat's PGP key. Erik [mod: Forwarded by Richard Jones, Mangled by me to make this appear to have been sent by Erik himself... -- REW] - - - -- | I told you I'm not very bright -- Sugar in "Some Like It Hot" | | "RPM is the greatest thing since swap-space" - Bryan C. Andregg | | | Erik Troan = [EMAIL PROTECTED] =[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentation (Was: Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to ...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- First my apologizes about being a little "spicy" in my respond. I don't know which kind of meat I was eating this day... :) On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: > > > From: Fabien Ninoles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: > > > > > However, how are users supposed to find out about those things? > > > (Not to say your suggestion is bad, but to address how to make that > > > information easier to find.) > > > > What about a "Tip of the day" package in place of fortune > > (just kidding ;) > > Good. :-) I HATE that "feature" of Windows 95. (I want a f**cking manual > so I can look up what I need now and/or so I can read whole sections and know > I know how to do whatever comes up in the future, without having to wait > for random tip selection to have covered everything in the tips list--which > is pretty short anyway.) > > Oh...yeah; sorry. Okay. > #undef HATE_MICROSOFT_MODE > have you succesfully compiled anything after this? Doubt it except if you put this line: #define DEBIAN_LINUX YES ;) > > > > That's why Archive Mailing List are for. Did you suggest we should packed > > it for local use and search? > > No, I wasn't suggesting that. > > Hmm. No, I don't think I'd want that--too much to search through and I don't > think you could search it very reliably. Maybe Mhonarc can do little thing about it but I'm talking about an almost concised flames-cleared digest of the list, with tools to browse throwout. > > If command "old_simple_x" is superseded by "new_fancy_x", then ideally > the documentation for old_simple_x that a user might run into (e.g., the > manual page) would say "don't forget that now there is new_fancy_x you might > want to use instead." > > I _have_ seen that on a few Unix manual pages or somewhere similar (maybe > GNU info pages for the C library, documenting routines that still exist > but for which better replacements exist.) > > Obviously, not much of this is going to happen, at least not in internal > documentation. > > Some documents, such as the HOWTO documents, do get updated a while. > Maybe something based on or connected to them would be good. The case you cite only happens when a program are just included for backward compability. But most of the time, you really have two or more alternatives equally supported to do the same thing. Debian make lot of work to standardize and simplify everything. Configuration and Documentation are still the most discussed subject on the lists, but standard and freedom seems to be a little bit opposed sometime. > > > 3. Keep in mind that it's hard to keep up with constantly-changing > > > documentation. That is, a new user probably would read all > > > the HOWTOs, README files, etc., to get started, but after that, > > > it's impossible to re-read everything just to find the changes. > > > > > > I would think that direct-lookup on-line documentation like manual > > > pages or GNU info pages would be used on a continuing basis, so > > > I would hope that all new information would make it into that > > > reference documentation, and hopefully a few pointers to new, > > > alternative, or add-on things could be included too. > > > > That's why Changelogs exists. > > I'm trying to find a way to consolidate the information. If I read a > manual page for something, then I also have to check the /usr/doc > directory...and any GNU info pages...and then I have to get the source > package to check the ChangeLog (or are ChangeLogs included in binary > Debian packages). HTML is the currently supported format for Debian doc. But is not so easy to maintain. I don't won't to be the one who will have to translate all the XV doc in html (with significanted links and everything). Also, we need a good html search index too for browsing throw everything. dwww seems to be the nearest way to a solution but some work still have to be done. > That remind me of another documentation problem resulting from not thinking > about how the software is installed: > > The diald manual page refers the reader to diald.h. Now why should I have > download and install the diald source package just to learn which bits > get which debugging information? Not a big or stupid mistake or anything, > but it appears that the author was only thinking of the case in which > users build diald themselves, and have the source code lying around. > > If we thought a little bit more about what we're doing... > (I've seen a number of cases of little things that could have been > better with just a little thought.) Missing useful info are considered as a bug in Debian (contrarely to the FSF). Any "little thing" like this would be really appreciate. > > (Is there any documentation policy document, either for Debian or for > Linux generally, to which I should contribute any useful ideas I might > have?) > You'll find all the policy in the
Re: Comm problems
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Stuart Charlton wrote: > I believe I asked this question several months back, but don't recall > if I received an answer.. > > Upon bootup I receive the message while it's setting up the serial > ports.. > > /dev/cua0 no such device > /dev/cua1 no such device > /dev/cua2 no such device > /dev/cua3 no such device > > Now, I modified /etc/rc.boot/0setserial to manually configure my > ports, and I *CAN* connect with PPP and Minicom... > eg. If you have serial as a module, you should probably make sure that the auto line in /etc/modules is uncommented and then add serial to the list of drivers there as well. This will keep kerneld from unloading the serial driver and loosing all your device settings. > > setserial [insert irq & port info here] spd_hi > > The problem is many CRC errors that occur while I'm connected. > This is most likely an issue of phone line quality. I had to have the line from my house to the local junction box replaced because squirrels running up and down the line generated so much static that I couldn't hold a connection very long. If that's not it, I would look more closely at the options file and make sure that the flow control variables are in use. (crtscts) Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Debian CD?
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anybody who wants more information on ftpmail can send me a private > e-mail, or if you feel its appropriate I will post it on the debain-user > list. As long as it's not commercial software, I think it would be appropriate to post it to the list. I've never heard of it, so I'm curious. Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ghostscript
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Fundamental wrote: > Is ghostscript a package? or is this a dumb question? > > I searched the debian archives, found a lot of fonts and addons for > ghostscript, but no ghostscript:( When searching for packages, I believe that better than browsing the ftp archive is to get the files "Packages.gz" and "Contents.gz" and use less or zless to browse and search them. Thus, if the name of the software is "ghostscript" and the Debian package is called "gs", it's trivial to find out by searching for the string "ghostscript" in Packages.gz and then looking at the package name once you get there. The Contents.gz file is extremely useful when you can't find a particular binary on your system and you want to know what package it's in. It's a list of all files in Debian cross-referenced to package name. Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with 1.2 Install Disks
I've heard of others having problems with getting a working version of the installation disks and I've tried doing what was suggested in each case - "download the image and write to a fresh floppy and try again" - however, that hasn't been helping in my case. The boot/rescue disk works perfectly for me. No problems there. I can go through the boot routine, initialize the hard disk, etc, but when I try to read in the base floppies, I get errors every time. In re-creating the disks, I've experienced minor variations on when the errors occur. Sometimes, it won't even begin to read the first disk while other times, I might get error messages, but it'll continue to read the disk almost all the way through. But, no matter how far it gets on this first disk, it doesn't complete it. I should mention that I'm writing this message at work and I've been experiencing the problems at home - which is where I have the exact error message written down... ... so I can't quote it here, but it's pretty cryptic - not much english in the messages. Nothing obvious like "Data error reading, writing", "Media error", etc... The installation always ends in a kernel panic and I have to reboot. The particular system I'm currently working on is a 386SX/25, 8MB, 210MB IDE, 1.44MB FD. I've been able to get around this by installing 1.1 (no complaints there) and then upgrading via FTP to 1.2, but that's a little painful (and slow) on 386-based systems I'd like to have a working set of 1.2 install diskettes, but no luck so far. BTW, I've tried both the December and January versions of the install disk images. Same thing with either version. Any suggestions? Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Edmondson Roper Chartered Accountants http://users.uniserve.com/~erca Chilliwack, B.C. Pager: (604) 918-2054 Office: (604) 792-1915 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Solution to: not able to post to debian-user list
Victor Torrico wrote: > > Dale Scheetz wrote: > > > > On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Victor Torrico wrote: > > > > > Dale, > > > > > > My eMail From: line reads "Victor Torrico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>". What > > > file/files do I change to make it read the correct info which is: > > > "Victor Torrico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"? > > > > This is probably because you are logged in as root when you sent the > > e-mail. This is a no-no... > > Create a user account on your machine for vtorrico and use it to send your > > mail. It looks like you have user-domain set properly (the site address is > > correct), but don't forget to get your configuration set up for the user > > account as well. > > > > Good show. This may be why I couldn't post to the list using Netscape > since I was also running this as root. I'm trying a test post now with > Netscape after adduser set up vtorrico. Will advise you if this was the > answer to not being able to post to the list. Heigh Dee Ho ! Would you beleive that I can post to the list now. Perhaps others may be having a similar problem. Running Netscape 3.01 as root definitely caused the problem. Cheers, Victor -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cdrom block device
I am doing a new install with debian 1.2.1 and the 1997-04-01 base diskettes. The boot recognizes my cdrom at sr0, but I cannot mount it - finding no appropriate block device in /dev. My guess is that I should be using the 1996-12-8 set. What is the verdict? Regards, Richard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Discussion Role Based Packages (was Re: Fax programs! help please. (fwd)
> While watching the discussion concerning dselect that went on
> a while back it occured to me the deselect may not be the best
> place to implement "role based system configuration" (a setup
> based on what the intended user will be doing). It seems to
> me that dpkg should (already) support recursive packages.
> That is, the install(remove) script for a package would
> invoke dpkg to install(remove) other packages as well
> as modify config(and .*rc) files. And, rather
> than just making suggestions about how to improve dselect it
> would be easy enough to constuct a role based package and
> say 'see like this'. My current configuration is nothing to
> brag about, but I would like to see what the experts have done.
> The main benefit would be to allow an installer to invoke
> dpkg once(few) times on a(some) role based package(s).
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "role based package". Do you mean a
package that comes preconfigured for some specific task, like sendmail
with a special sendmail.cf, or something like that?
> 1) is this possible?
> 2) if so, how would it be done?
> 5) would it be possible to generate a role package automagically
>from the dpkg status files?
I have written a package, called dpkg-repack, that is in experimental
right now. It works like this:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /tmp>dpkg-repack fvwm2
dpkg-deb: building package `fvwm2' in `./fvwm2_2.0.43-BETA-0_i386.deb'.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /tmp>ls -l fvwm2_2.0.43-BETA-0_i386.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 278552 Jan 16 15:01
fvwm2_2.0.43-BETA-0_i386.deb
The fvwm2.deb that it generated has _my_ fvwm2 conffiles in it, so when I
go to install it elsewhere, it's configured with my own fvwm2 setup.
Is this what you mean? If so, yes, it's possible. dpkg-repack is
experimental because it is not guarenteed to work properly with all
packages, yet, and it's not been tested much.
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PPP traffic dies
I was wondering if anyone had any problems with PPPD just stopping (not letting any traffic through). I'm online quite a bit, and it has only been happening this last week or so... and usually after a hour or so of "heavy" traffic, it slows WAY down, and eventually won't let anything through. I'm also running diald, so that could be at fault, but not sure. My ISP kicks me off after a while, because no traffic goes through the link, and then it reconnects, and everything is fine again. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.southeast.net/~servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dselect for newbies
I'm probably fanning the flames in regard to dselect and new user installation problems, but being a recent convert to Debian and *nix, I think I might have something productive to add. When I set up my system for the first time, I didn't use dselect at all because it seemed too complex and unfriendly. I manually checked dependencies, ftp'd the packages and dpkg'd them on my system. I spent hours on the web site searching for the functionality and dependicies I wanted/needed. The most recent time I set up a system, I used dselect because I was already familiar with the packages system and to a certain degree, knew what I needed. What I really could have used was a disk with ppp, a ppp setup script and a sentence that said "Please connect to our ftp site and let dselect run once without any changes, it is configured to load some of the basic system software and bring you up to a current revision level. Sit back and watch your modem lights." The other helpful imformation that could be displayed would be some sort of progress indication in terms of time. I don't know how some of the other ISP's work, but mine limits me to a 3 hr. connection. I can reconnect immedatly, but the three hr. limit always applies. This run thru could be on a separate disk. I would have gladly set up another disk for this kind help. Obvoiusly, the basic system software downloaded in this first run needs to be decided on, but I think it should enable the user to have some docs and enough toys to allow dselect to be usable to him/her. Rob Less is more; more or less. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WordPerfect for Java
Has anyone been able to get the pre-beta of WordPerfect for Java running. The URL is http://officeforjava.corel.com/ Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Debian CD?
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:42:20 +0100 (MET) "Nathan L. Cutler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Anybody who wants more information on ftpmail can send me a private >> e-mail, or if you feel its appropriate I will post it on the >debain-user >> list. > >As long as it's not commercial software, I think it would be >appropriate >to post it to the list. I've never heard of it, so I'm curious. > >Nathan L. Cutler >Linux Enthusiast >http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc > > Here it goes: ftpmail is a free service previded by many network servers, mostly running on yes you guessed linux or unix. It allows you to request files via. ftp sights through e-mail uuencoded or in ASCII. I learned about it from a small text document on a bbs, and now I use it quite often. Here is a portion of the original text: From: //I almost skipped this part ++ |Accessing The Internet By E-Mail | | Doctor Bob's Guide to Offline Internet Access| | 6th Edition - November 1996| ++ Copyright (c) 1994-96, "Doctor Bob" Rankin All rights reserved. Permission is granted to make and distribute verbatim copies of this document provided the copyright notice and this permission notice are preserved on all copies. Feel free to upload to your favorite BBS or Internet server! // This document is now available from several automated mail servers. To get the latest edition, send e-mail to one of the addresses below. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for US, Canada & South America) Enter only this line in the BODY of the note: send usenet/news.answers/internet-services/access-via-email FTP BY E-MAIL - FTP stands for "file transfer protocol", and is a means of accessing files that are stored on remote computer systems (sites). Files at FTP sites are typically stored in a tree-like set of directories (or nested folders for Mac fans), each of which pertains to a different subject. When visiting an FTP site using a "live" internet connection, one would specify the name of the site, login with a userid & password, navigate to the desired directory and select one or more files to be transferred back to their local system. Using FTP by e-mail is very similar, except that the desired site is reached through a special "ftpmail server" which logs in to the remote site and returns the requested files to you in response to a set of commands in an e-mail message. Using FTP by e-mail can be nice even for those with full Internet access, because some popular FTP sites are heavily loaded and interactive response can be very sluggish. So it makes sense not to waste time and connect charges in these cases. To use FTP by e-mail, you first need a list of FTP "sites" which are the addresses of the remote computer systems that allow you to retrieve files anonymously (without having a userid and password on that system). There are some popular sites listed later in this guide, but you can get a comprehensive list of hundreds of anonymous FTP sites by sending an e-mail message to the internet address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include these lines in the BODY of the note. send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/sitelist/part1 ... (19 lines omitted for brevity) ... send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/sitelist/part21 You will then receive (by e-mail) 21 files which comprise the "FTP Site List". Note that these files are each about 60K, so the whole lot will total over a megabyte! This could place a strain on your system, so first check around to see if the list is already available locally. Another file you might want to get is "FTP Frequently Asked Questions" which contains lots more info on using FTP services, so add this line to your note as well: send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/faq After you receive the site list you'll see dozens of entries like this, which tell you the site name, location and the kind of files that are stored there. Site : oak.oakland.edu Country: USA Organ : Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan System : Unix Comment: Simtel Software Repository mirror Files : BBS lists; ham radio; TCP/IP; Mac; modem protocol info; MS-DOS; MS-Windows; PC Blue; PostScript; Simtel-20; Unix If you find an interesting FTP site in the list, send e-mail to one of these ftpmail servers: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Denmark) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Finland) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Germany) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Germany) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Germany) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ireland) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peru) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Poland) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Romania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sweden) [EMAIL PROTEC
Re: WordPerfect for Java
This was just today on java-linux list: // Heikki ++ Start of excerpt ++ Hello Java-Linux people, I assume that yall know this, but in case you dont, Corel's Office for Java is available for download from ftp2.corel.com. The file is in the / directory and is called coj.zip. I ran it both from appletviewer and as a standalone java application and it works well. I was not able to get it to run under Netscape, but I have not done any of the library substitutions necessary to get Netscape's java to run under Linux. I have a friend who did get it to run under Java under Netscape under Windows 95. Here are some instructions if you just want to start it up quickly: unzip coj.zip Then: appletviewer coj/Shell.html Or: cd coj java COfficeMain I think I found 1 bug in the linux jdt which probably has nothing to do with Corel's package. The jdk does not like talking to the X server on my Digital Unix system. I have seen other applications behave this way when the default visual was 24 bit TrueColor. I run the X server so the default visual is 8 bit PseudoColor and that makes most things happy. It looks like the jdk is requesting a non-default visual and then dying when it can't handle what it gets. Here is some sample output: [sample output deleted] ++ End of excerpt ++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
