Uploads required for 2.2r3

[Martin Schulze]

[Not only Overfiend wants to spam, me too Please be careful when
replying to this mail.]

Packages listed below need a recompile for some architectures.
Could these be issued?  Since they'll have to go into stable
please ensure that you build them on a stable machine.

Further investigation
-

These packages need further investigation.  One reason the package is
listed here could be that I'm not yet convinced this package should go
into stable, but don't want to reject it entirely at the moment.
Another reason could be that released and updated architectures are
not in sync yet.

cfs stable1.3.3-7 powerpc, sparc
cfs stable1.3.3-8 alpha, i386, m68k
cfs updates   1.3.3-8 arm

Get architectures in sync

PowerPC and sparc missing

This is non-US.

gpg-rsaref  stable1.1-1   alpha
gpg-rsaref  stable1.1-2   i386, powerpc, sparc
gpg-rsaref  updates   1.1-2   arm

Get architectures in sync

alpha is missing

This is non-US.

nedit   updates   1:5.1.1-3   arm, i386, m68k, powerpc

nedit is now Free Software.

alpha and sparc missing

ecpgupdates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
ecpgupdates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
libpgperl   updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
libpgperl   updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
libpgsql2   updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
libpgsql2   updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
libpgtclupdates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
libpgtclupdates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
odbc-postgresql updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
odbc-postgresql updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
pgaccessupdates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
pgaccessupdates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
postgresql-client   updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
postgresql-client   updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
postgresql-contrib  updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
postgresql-contrib  updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
postgresql-dev  updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
postgresql-dev  updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
postgresql-doc  updates   6.5.3-26all
postgresql-pl   updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
postgresql-pl   updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
postgresql-test updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
postgresql-test updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
postgresql  updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
postgresql  updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc
python-pygresql updates   6.5.3-25alpha, sparc
python-pygresql updates   6.5.3-26arm, i386, m68k, powerpc

Packages (-25) fixes a problem that can result in data loss,
packages (-26) fix some nastyness with the prerm script

* Patch from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NOKUBI Takatsugu) and the PosgreSQL-J
  Mailing List to cure loss of data (under some circumstances) in
  vacuum.  Closes: 81292

Arch's out of sync: i.e. alpha and sparc missing for -26

libreadline2-altdev  stable2.1-12  sparc
libreadline2-altdev  stable2.1-20  m68k
libreadline2-altdev  stable2.1-21  i386
libreadline2-altdev  updates   2.1-21  m68k
libreadline2 stable2.1-12  sparc
libreadline2 stable2.1-20  m68k
libreadline2 stable2.1-21  i386
libreadline2 updates   2.1-21  m68k
libreadlineg2stable2.1-17  sparc
libreadlineg2stable2.1-19  alpha, arm, powerpc
libreadlineg2stable2.1-20  m68k
libreadlineg2stable2.1-21  i386
libreadlineg2updates   2.1-21  m68k, sparc

Get architectures back in sync

sparc doesn't support libc5 anymore.

alpha, arm and powerpc missing

tkseti  stable2.10-1  arm
tkseti  stable2.12-1  powerpc
tkseti  stable2.12-2  alpha, i386, sparc
tkseti  updates   2.12-2  arm

Get versions back in sync.

PowerPC missing

unzip-crypt  stable5.32-1  m68k
unzip-crypt  stable5.40-1.0alpha, i386, powerpc, sparc
unzip-crypt  updates   5.40-1.0arm

Get architectures in sync.

m68k missing

This is non-US.

xcalstable4.1-8  alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, sparc
xcalupdates   4.1-9  alpha, arm, i386, powerpc, sparc

aj: a calendar program getting days of a month wrong seems a
decent thing to fix.

m68k missing

libhz-dev   updates   0.3.9-1potato1.1  i386, m68k, powerpc
libhz0  updates   0.3.9-1potato1.1  i386, m68k, powerpc
zh-autoconvert  stable0.3.4-1   alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, 
sparc
zh-autoconvert  updates   0.3.9-1potato1.1  i386, m68k, power

Re: php4 for potato

[Martin Schulze]

Hi!

Petr Cech has compiled php4 for **stable** again, since it contained two
bugs that should not make it into stable.  He has placed his files on
pandora.d.o/~cech/php4 so any maintainer can grab it.

Petr, please upload it to stable.  Somebody has to recompile it for other
five architectures.  Porters, are you listening?  I hope so.. be so kind,
please.

Regards,

Joey

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boot-floppies for stable

[Martin Schulze]

If somebody is compiling boot-floppies 2.2.22 (for stable through
proposed-updates) for any non-i386 arch, please let me know.

At the moment, I know that powerpc does not build due to a
kernel issue.  I don't know anything about the other archs.

Arch's in question: alpha, arm, m68k, sparc.

Regards,

Joey

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[2.2r3] glibc 2.1.3-18 for alpha and powerpc?

[Martin Schulze]

Hi,

why is there no glibc 2.1.3-18 for alpha and powerpc but only
2.1.3-17?  This hasn't changed for a couple of weeks now.  If
possible I'd like to have it in sync.  If that's not possible
I'd like to know why.

Source:

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.1.3.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.1.3-18.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.1.3-18.diff.gz

Regards,

Joey

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[2.2r3] readline2 2.1-21 for alpha and powerpc missing

[Martin Schulze]

Who's going to compile readline2 2.1-21 for alpha and powerpc?

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/libs/readline2_2.1-21.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/libs/readline2_2.1.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/libs/readline2_2.1-21.diff.gz

Regards,

Joey

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[2.2r3] cfs 1.3.3-8 for powerpc and sparc missing

[Martin Schulze]

Who's going to upload cfs 1.3.3-8 for powerpc and sparc to pandora?

ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/potato/non-US/main/source/cfs_1.3.3-8.dsc
ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/potato/non-US/main/source/cfs_1.3.3.orig.tar.gz
ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/potato/non-US/main/source/cfs_1.3.3-8.diff.gz

Regards,

Joey

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[2.2r3] INN2 2.2.2.2000.01.31-5 for alpha, arm, powerpc missing

[Martin Schulze]

So who's working on INN2 2.2.2.2000.01.31-5 for alpha, arm and powerpc
for proposed-updates?

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/inn2/inn2_2.2.2.2000.01.31.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/inn2/inn2_2.2.2.2000.01.31-5.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/inn2/inn2_2.2.2.2000.01.31-5.diff.gz

Regards,

Joey

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Re: new potato boot-floppies

[Martin Schulze]

Andrew Sharp wrote:
> For people who care about powerpc stuff
> 
> While the changelog below mentions powerpc, these are of course only
> ia32 floppies.  Having no patience, I have taken the liberty to
> build a boot floppy for oldworld apple powermacs that solves the
> dreaded no response from keyboard when prompting to insert root
> floppy problem.  It seems to work for doing installs on the one

I'm not sure if I got you right.  What was required to build this
image?  Isn't it built through the regular powerpc build targed?

Regards,

Joey

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Re: new potato boot-floppies

[Martin Schulze]

Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 03:04:59PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Andrew Sharp wrote:
> > > For people who care about powerpc stuff
> > > 
> > > While the changelog below mentions powerpc, these are of course only
> > > ia32 floppies.  Having no patience, I have taken the liberty to
> > > build a boot floppy for oldworld apple powermacs that solves the
> > > dreaded no response from keyboard when prompting to insert root
> > > floppy problem.  It seems to work for doing installs on the one
> > 
> > I'm not sure if I got you right.  What was required to build this
> > image?  Isn't it built through the regular powerpc build targed?
> 
> his image is just the old 2.2.16 boot floppy since the potato r2 boot
> floppies are broken.  drow is trying to fix that in the r3 boot
> floppies.

ARGS.  Is he "trying to fix this" or did he "actually fix this"?

Drow, it would be a good time to appear now... :)

Regards,

Joey

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Re: new potato boot-floppies

[Martin Schulze]

Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> > > his image is just the old 2.2.16 boot floppy since the potato r2 boot
> > > floppies are broken.  drow is trying to fix that in the r3 boot
> > > floppies.
> > 
> > ARGS.  Is he "trying to fix this" or did he "actually fix this"?
> > 
> > Drow, it would be a good time to appear now... :)
> 
> Fixed.  I just booted the same floppies I put in Incoming half an hour
> ago and got a good way into an install.

I am *very* happy to hear this.

Regards,

Joey

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Recompile needed for 2.2r4

[Martin Schulze]

Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r4
=

Up-to-date version on http://master.debian.org/~joey/2.2r4/

Recompiles required
---

These packages need further investigation.  One reason the package is
listed here could be that I'm not yet convinced this package should go
into stable, but don't want to reject it entirely at the moment.
Another reason could be that released and updated architectures are
not in sync yet.

cfs stable1.3.3-7 powerpc, sparc
cfs stable1.3.3-8 alpha, i386, m68k
cfs updates   1.3.3-8 arm

Get architectures in sync

PowerPC and sparc missing

This is non-US.

icecast-client  stable1.0.0-1 alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, sparc
icecast-server  stable1.0.0-1 alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, sparc
icecast-server  updates   1.3.10-1i386, m68k, powerpc

Alleged security update.

Changelog says:

* Several security exploits found to icecast.  No simple way to patch

* old version, so upgrade to latest stable version from icecast.org

* If questions or assistance needed join #icecast on openprojects.net 
IRC

Do you have a documentation about said security exploits?
That's still pending

Is it something different than this one?

"icecast" is a server used to distribute audio streams to compatible
clients such as winamp, mpg123, xmms and many others.
Matt Messier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and John Viega ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
have identified several buffer overflow and format strings problems
in Icecast that could be remotely exploited.
Our latest update to this software changes the package to use an
unprivileged user ("icecast") for the daemon, so the impact of this
vulnerability is not as high. Recent distributions (CL >= 5.1) have
this package compiled with StackGuard to make it more difficult to
exploit buffer overflows.

It's said to be.

Clarification appreciated.

inn2-dev  updates   2.2.2.2000.01.31-4.1  arm
inn2-dev  updates   2.2.2.2000.01.31-5alpha, i386, m68k, sparc
inn2-inewsupdates   2.2.2.2000.01.31-4.1  arm
inn2-inewsupdates   2.2.2.2000.01.31-5alpha, i386, m68k, sparc
inn2  updates   2.2.2.2000.01.31-4.1  arm
inn2  updates   2.2.2.2000.01.31-5alpha, i386, m68k, sparc
task-news-server  updates   2.2.2.2000.01.31-5all

Security Update, DSA 023

Bdale reports a serious problem with this upload, it broke
some functionality.  He's going to upload a fixed version, so
this will have to wait for 2.2r4 then.  Fixed for 2.2.2.2000.01.31-5.

arm and powerpc missing

nedit   updates   1:5.1.1-3   alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc

nedit is now Free Software.

sparc missing

php4-cgi-gd updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgi-gd updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-cgi-imap   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgi-imap   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-cgi-ldap   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgi-ldap   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-cgi-mhash  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgi-mhash  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-cgi-mysql  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgi-mysql  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-cgi-pgsql  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgi-pgsql  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-cgi-snmp   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgi-snmp   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-cgi-xmlupdates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgi-xmlupdates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-cgiupdates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-cgiupdates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-devupdates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2all
php4-gd updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-gd updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-imap   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-imap   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-ldap   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-ldap   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-mhash  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-mhash  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-mysql  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-mysql  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-pgsql  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-pgsql  updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato2i386, m68k, powerpc
php4-snmp   updates   4.0.3pl1-0potato1.1  alpha, sparc
php4-snmp   updates   

Linux Hacker Meeting (formerly m68k Hacker Meeting)

[Martin Schulze]

Hi folks,

we're happy to announce that the Linux User Group Oldenburg is
organizing another instance of the traditional m68k hackers meeting in
Oldenburg, Germany.

The development sesstion will last two days, from 15th to 16th of
October.  You're invited to arrive on the afternoon/ evening of the
14th of October.

Since there are other architectures as well, only few m68k boxes left
over, we've renamed it to "Linux Hackers Meeting".

As usual we will provide two rooms, one for hack^H^H^H^Hworking and
one for resting (sleeping).  We'll also provide net.connectivity as
usual.  Like last year it will take place at the University building
in Wechloy.  A map will follow.

I will provide two HP9000/425 boxes (m68k) and one HP9000/7xx (parisc)
for general hacking if you don't want to take your machine with you.

There will be a web page covering this event.  I guess that it hasn't
been set up yet, though.  Please expect information at

   http://www.debian.north.de/LUGO/

For further questions please contact me or [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Details will follow later.

At the same time we will organize a LinuxDay that aims to show Linux
and its application to the public.  This will be set up on Friday
while he public part will be at Saturday.  Both events will take place
in the same building.

Regards,

Joey

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not tried it.  -- Donald E. Knuth

Re: Linux Hacker Meeting (formerly m68k Hacker Meeting)

[Martin Schulze]

Bernd Harries wrote:
> > we're happy to announce that the Linux User Group Oldenburg is
> > organizing another instance of the traditional m68k hackers meeting in
> > Oldenburg, Germany.
> 
> Do we have to send application mails? Frank used them to schedule

Yes, I just haven't gotton around preparing that mail.  I was at the
Linux Kongress recently, then had to organize several things, backup
job etc.

> tables, chairs, drinks and Broetchen AFAIK.

We're trying to get it for free, though, our tries weren't successful
yet, but we're continuing.

> And Power supply of course. ;-)

We will have 2x 3 different power cycles so we should not reach another
power breakdown - unless you carry tons of hardware with you...

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Linux Hacker Meeting (formerly m68k Hacker Meeting)

[Martin Schulze]

Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Bernd Harries wrote:
> > > And Power supply of course. ;-)
> > 
> > We will have 2x 3 different power cycles so we should not reach another
> ^^
> > power breakdown - unless you carry tons of hardware with you...
> 
> Power `circuits', I guess? I try to avoid power cycles :-)

Ok, I definitively need sleep...  You're right, of course.
(2x 3 ways to access to power for the areas (two computer areas))

Regards,

Joey

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Invitation for the 1999 Linux Hacker's Meeting

[Martin Schulze]

This is the official invitation for the the 1999 Linux Hacker Meeting
in Oldenburg (formerly known as m68k Hacker's Meeting[1]).

Date: 15th + 16th October 1999

Location: Oldenburg, University, Wechloy

The development meeting will take place at the same rooms like last
year.  However, if "too" many people are coming, we're going to swab
the rooms, so the bigger room would be used for working.  We're also
organizing three independend power circuits that should help us avoid
a general power failure. :-)

We will get sponsored IP from the computing center of our University.
We are trying to get food sponsored as well.  At this time I can't
give prognostics if and how successful we will be.  If we aren't,
there will be fluid stuff and rolls etc. for regular prices.  If we
are, they will be free of charge.

You may arrive on Thursday if you like.  You may also stay longer if
you like.  If you need to picked up at the train station, let us know
when you're going to arrive - i.e. tell us to receive a mobile number
from one of us.

If you can't carry machines with you, I will probably take some
special boxes from me for porting.

1x HP9000/425 (m68k), 16MB
1x HP9000/425 (m68k), 8MB
1x HP9000/7xx (parisc)
1x DECsystem 5000/240 (mipsel), 64MB

[1] I have renamed the meeting from "m68k Hacker's Meeting" since not
only 680x0 people are attending and not only this hardware is
worked on.  The last meetings have shown that several people carry
an alpha, powerpc, sparc or whatever with them.

To help us planing with the rooms, amount of food and other please
fill out the following form and send it back to me.

--8<--8<--8<

Name .:

Date of arrival ..: ( ) Thursday, October 14th 
( ) Friday, October 15th 
( ) Saturday, October 16th 

Date of departure : ( ) Friday, October 15th 
( ) Saturday, October 16th 
( ) Sunday, October 17th 
( ) Monday, October 18th 
( ) later

Number of machines ...:

Number of monitors ...:

Name may be placed on web page: ( ) yes
( ) no

If you don't know how many boxes and monitors you're going to take
with you, please give a rough guess.  We only need this information to
properly plan for our power supplies and room requirements.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Linux Hacker Meeting (formerly m68k Hacker Meeting)

[Martin Schulze]

Martin Schulze wrote:
> we're happy to announce that the Linux User Group Oldenburg is
> organizing another instance of the traditional m68k hackers meeting in
> Oldenburg, Germany.
> 
> The development sesstion will last two days, from 15th to 16th of
> October.  You're invited to arrive on the afternoon/ evening of the
> 14th of October.
> 
> There will be a web page covering this event.  I guess that it hasn't
> been set up yet, though.  Please expect information at
> 
>http://www.debian.north.de/LUGO/

I wonder what I did when I wrote that?  The URL is entirely broken.
It should read

http://www.infodrom.north.de/LUGO/

of course.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Invitation for the 1999 Linux Hacker's Meeting

[Martin Schulze]

Sorry for quoting myself, but... read on.

Martin Schulze wrote:
> This is the official invitation for the the 1999 Linux Hacker Meeting
> in Oldenburg (formerly known as m68k Hacker's Meeting[1]).
> 
>   Date: 15th + 16th October 1999
> 
>   Location: Oldenburg, University, Wechloy
> 
> The development meeting will take place at the same rooms like last
> year.  However, if "too" many people are coming, we're going to swab
> the rooms, so the bigger room would be used for working.  We're also
> organizing three independend power circuits that should help us avoid
> a general power failure. :-)
> 
> We will get sponsored IP from the computing center of our University.
> We are trying to get food sponsored as well.  At this time I can't
> give prognostics if and how successful we will be.  If we aren't,
> there will be fluid stuff and rolls etc. for regular prices.  If we
> are, they will be free of charge.

This has been resolved.  Food will be sponsored.  Thus, no participation
fees will be taken.

> You may arrive on Thursday if you like.  You may also stay longer if
> you like.  If you need to picked up at the train station, let us know
> when you're going to arrive - i.e. tell us to receive a mobile number
> from one of us.
> 
> To help us planing with the rooms, amount of food and other please
> fill out the following form and send it back to me.
> 
> --8<--8<--8<
> 
> Name .:
> 
> Date of arrival ..: ( ) Thursday, October 14th 
> ( ) Friday, October 15th 
> ( ) Saturday, October 16th 
> 
> Date of departure : ( ) Friday, October 15th 
> ( ) Saturday, October 16th 
> ( ) Sunday, October 17th 
> ( ) Monday, October 18th 
> ( ) later
> 
> Number of machines ...:
> 
> Number of monitors ...:
> 
> Name may be placed on web page: ( ) yes
> ( ) no
> 
> If you don't know how many boxes and monitors you're going to take
> with you, please give a rough guess.  We only need this information to
> properly plan for our power supplies and room requirements.

If you know more people who would be interested but don't read the
lists where this letter is posted to, please forward it to them.

Regards,

Joey

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Second Announcement regarding the 1999 Linux Hacker's Meeting

[Martin Schulze]

Hi,


I'd like to remind those of you who have forgotton about the meeting
or who have forgotton to register.

Please forward this mail whereever you find it appropriate.  I'm sure
that I have missed some lists and forgot some individual.

Following a four-years tradition there will be another Linux Hacker
Meeting this year.  It will take place next weekend, officially from
friday to saturday, while it is no problem to arrive on thursday and
to leave on sunday.

Date: 15th + 16th October 1999

Location: Oldenburg, University, Wechloy

Web: http://oldenburger.linuxtage.de/meeting/

This Hackers Meeting was formerly known as m68k hackers meeting,
though, with the time there were more and more non-m68k (and non-i386
as well) boxes so it's a general Linux Hackers Meeting.  This is the
fourth meeting.  Since Franky Neumann is far away in Karlsruhe I have
taken over administration.

Just like the last years, the purpose of this meeting is to get as
much of the Linux core developers and active users together to discuss
current problems, show off projects, exchange news, and generally to
have fun.

For those of you who are new to this meeting, Oldenburg is a town in
the north of Germany.  It's some 40km far from Bremen and about 40km
south of the northern coast (the northsea is about 60km far).  Like
last year the meeting will use some rooms at the mathematics
department of the local University.

One room is reserved for night issues (sleeping if you like) and there
will be access to showers as well.  Food (fluid, bread, marmelade,
butter, coffee, tea, milk, fruits etc.) will be organized by the local
user group and sponsored by a local company, except dinner.

We will have sponsored IP access by the local computing center and
Joerg Dorchain will - as usual - configure his machine as masquerading
gateway during the meeting.  This time we will provide three
independent power circuits to avoid a general power failure like last
year.

It would be good if everyone takes all his networking hardware with
him.  Even an internal network can be fun (as we noticed in Solingen
'95).  That includes things like:

  . Ethernet/ArcNet(uhm..) boards
  . Cabling (RG58, RG62, T connectors, terminators, SLIP cabling)
  . Serial terminals for debugging purposes
  . PCs (where available) that could act as gateways/cross compile machines

What you should take with you at least:

  . Your computer and monitor, mouse, keyboard, cabling
  . Other peripherals (CD-ROM, DAT etc.)
  . Technical documentation - 68030/040/060/851/881/882, HP
etc. manuals, VGA controller databooks etc.
  . At least one triple plug to provide power for your machine (of
course more where available)
  . Long power cable reels where available
  . Air mattress, sleeping-bag, cushion, ear plug if those next to
you tend to snort :-)
  . Clothes, tooth-brush, tooth-paste, soap, towel
  . programmer's food - fruit, chocolate, "Haribo", chips etc.
  . soldering iron, tools, screw-driver, spare parts
  . Please also take plate, knife/fork and your coffee mug/whatever
with you.  We will try to provide enough for you but that's still
unclear.
  . Road map, http://oldenburger.linuxtage.de/meeting/ contains a local
map beginning at the highway.  Please check out Franky's old
description on how to get here:
http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~amigo/Oldenburg98/get_here.html


 !!   Please mark all things that you take with you and want to take  !!
 !!   back as well with your name!!!

On friday lunch can be taken by the local cafeteria, on saturday
they're closed but you may eat a second breakfast or walk to McD
*sigh*.  Dinner will be eaten as a group in some nice restaurants.

We will get some boxes of water, cola, juice for you.

  . Smoking.  In the rooms we use smoking is prohibited.  Please walk
outside for that.
  . No drunkards.  We won't mind people drinking a beer or two, but
please stay reasonable.  If someone starts going wild, we'll have
him thrown out.
  . Phone: I know that most of you will come with a mobile so you'll
know how to get reached.  For those who haven't one of use has one
as well and we can provide his number on demand.
  . Entrance fee:  None!
  . If anyone starts misusing our ip connection (like trying to hack
accounts or flood-pinging the network), we'll send him home
immediately.  I mean it!  We'll be made responsible for any abuses
of the services we get offered.  We haven't had any problems of
that kind the last two years, but I'll better to mention it.

How about those guys who are still very active but have not visited
Oldenburg yet - any chance, Andreas etc? :-)

To help us planing with the rooms, amount of food and other please
fill out the following form and send it back to me.

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Name .:

Date of arrival ..

Re: RS/6000 and other systems

[Martin Schulze]

Hartmut Koptein wrote:
>  We need people who do tests with the current boot-floppies. And we need
>  reports about it. What does work, what not. 
> 
>  I need reports for prep and power-mac systems. 
> 
>  I need also help in what system goes in what categories as chrp, pmac and
>  prep. 
> 
> 
>  Please have a look at  
> http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/install/install.html
> 
> 
>  Which rs/6k is chrp, which one is prep???
> 
>  What about system from Bull and other systems?

Obviously lots of things to be documented on the ports pages...

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Urgent inquiry for Paper bags!

[Martin Schulze]

Michael Schmitz wrote:
> > > > Cool! Another 2000 bucks...
> > >
> > > More, probably. He spammed a lot of lists. Are you gonna fax him the list
> > > advertising policy?
> > >
> > Well, what is the procedure for that? Is the list-owner responsible for
> > billing?
> 
> The list operator should send a bill. What I thought of was merely sending

Nope!

If a bill is to be sent it has to be sent by a treasurer, e.g. the one
from SPI which is Darren Benham.

> a reminder. If someone other than the list operator needs to act on this
> (i.e. in order to file some papers before the equivalent of a small claims
> court) he'd need a power of attorney from the list operator. But that
> might not even be necessary, Martin Schulze is one of the listmasters and
> in the spam fighting group.
> 
>   Michael
> 

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1 package(s) to rebuild on powerpc/stable

[Martin Schulze]

These packages have to be rebuilt for stable on powerpc in order to let
the packages go into 2.2r7.

Please find URLs to source packages attached below for convenience.
When uploading, please take care of the distribution, which should
contain 'stable' and nothing else.

For further explanation please check the detailed report at
.

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/listar/listar_0.129a.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/listar/listar_0.129a-2.potato2.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/listar/listar_0.129a-2.potato2.diff.gz

Thank you for your contribution,

Joey

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2 package(s) to rebuild on powerpc/stable

[Martin Schulze]

These packages have to be rebuilt for stable on powerpc in order to let
the packages go into 3.0r1.

Please find URLs to source packages attached below for convenience.
When uploading, please take care of the distribution, which should
contain 'stable' and nothing else.

For further explanation please check the detailed report at
.

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocaml/ocaml_3.04-14.diff.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocaml/ocaml_3.04-14.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocaml/ocaml_3.04.orig.tar.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xnc/xnc_4.4.7-3.woody.1.diff.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xnc/xnc_4.4.7-3.woody.1.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xnc/xnc_4.4.7.orig.tar.gz

Thanks for your contribution,

Joey

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1 package(s) to rebuild on powerpc/stable

[Martin Schulze]

These packages have to be rebuilt for stable on powerpc in order to let
the packages go into 3.0r1.

Please find URLs to source packages attached below for convenience.
When uploading, please take care of the distribution, which should
contain 'stable' and nothing else.

For further explanation please check the detailed report at
.

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocaml/ocaml_3.04-14.diff.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocaml/ocaml_3.04-14.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ocaml/ocaml_3.04.orig.tar.gz

Thanks for your contribution,

Joey

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Invitation to the Oldenburg Linux Developers Meeting

[Martin Schulze]

Dear developers,

there will be another Linux developers meeting taking place in
Oldenburg at the last weekend in September this year.  Like last year,
we will be able to start on Wednesday and work until Sunday.  So
diligent people can work up to four days in Oldenburg.


Executive summary:

URL:   http://meeting.ffis.de/Oldenburg2005/
What:  Oldenburg Linux Developers Meeting #A
Who:   Every developer interested in Linux on non-i386 platforms
   Every developer interested in developing the debian-installer
   Every developer interested in Debian-Java
When:  September, 21st to 25th (Wednesday noon to Sunday afternoon)
Where: University of Oldenburg, science building in Oldenburg Wechloy
Orga:  ffis e.V., Martin 'Joey' Schulze
Bonus: Regular rooms again, at least partially


The goal of this developers meeting is to provide developers a means
to work in common on the non-i386 Linux ports and related topics and
to further the exchange of ideas and discussion about these ports.
However, Debian developers and Debian Java people have asked whether
they can piggy-back a meeting at the same location as well.

We will have dedicated working and sleeping rooms in the university.
We are allowed to use the shower facility of the sports department
nearby where we can sleep as well this year.

We will have dinner together in a restaurant in the evening.  I'll put
a plan will be on the web soon.  If you prefer to stay at the
university and not go out having a dinner, please let me know in time
as this affects restaurant space requirements.

We will have a never-ending breakfast in one of the working rooms.
I'll get rolls each morning and try to ensure that there will be
enough butter, cheese, sausages, jam, Nutella and stuff.  I will also
take care of non-alcoholic fluids.

Beside machines, equipment and documentation you'll need to take with
you a sleeping bag, maybe a camping mat or cot, towels, shower stuff,
personal toilett accessories, maybe medicine, clothes.  A mug, plate
and cutlery are optional but helpful.  Don't forget enough power
chords, extenders and network cables.

You'll find routing information on the website mentioned above.

If you would like to attend the meeting, please send back the
following form, so that I can calculate space, power and food.

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Name :

Date of arrival .: ( ) Wednesday, Sep, 21st
   ( ) Thursday, Sep, 22nd
   ( ) Friday, Sep, 23rd 
   ( ) Saturday, Sep, 24th

Date of departure ...: ( ) Friday, Sep. 23rd
   ( ) Saturday, Sep. 24th
   ( ) Sunday, Sep. 25th

___ usable seats in my car, once arrived (only if you come by car)
(four usable seets --> one driver, three guests)

Special requirements for food: __
(Vegetarian should be covered with 10% of all, vegan people will need
special attention)
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If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask me.

Kind regards,

Joey

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Re: The powerpc port should be removed from etch release candidates ...

[Martin Schulze]

Sven Luther wrote:
> I have seen Frans claim various times about patches and changes i was
> proposing that it will never be applied anyway because i proposed it, and he
> didn't thrust me. Do you really thing that in the light of this me sending in
> patches just to have them rote in the BTS is valable ? 
> 
> world+dog has svn access to the d-i repo, why then did they remove me from it
> ? 

Does somebody see a connection between your last question and the
first question of the paragraph quoted?

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Invitation to the 6th Linux Developers Meeting in Oldenburg

[Martin Schulze]

  -
  6th Linux Developers Meeting in Oldenburg


   Thursday, September 27th to Sunday, 30th


   University of Oldenburg, Wechloy
  -


This is the public invitation for Linux developers to attend this
years' Linux Developers Meeting in Oldenburg.  The scope of this
meeting is to port Linux to non-intel architectures. It is derived
from the linux/m68k meeting 1995 in Solingen , though, recently there
were a lot of other architectures as well.

Just like the last years, the purpose of this meeting is to get as
much of the Linux/m68k core developers and active users together to
discuss current problems, show off projects, exchange news, and
generally to have fun.

Like last year, the meeting will take place from thursday afternoon
(September 27th) to sunday evening (September 30th).  You don't have
to attend from thursday, it's an offer for those of you who would like
to and who can afford coming early.  If you can't make it that early,
just join when you can afford it.  The meeting will take place at the
same place like last year (that is University of Oldenburg, Wechloy).

For those of you, who don't know Oldenburg yet, it's in the northern
part of Germany.  That means, you'll find lots of green areas (trees,
meadows etc.), good air and less industries.  The meeting will be held
at the science building of the University of Oldenburg, in Oldenburg
Wechloy.

If you would like to attend the meeting, please send back this form,
so I can calculate space, power, food and stuff.  Space, power and
connectivity will thankfully be sponsored by the University, food and
stuff will be sponsored by ffis e.V., except dinner in restaurants.
We will be able to use showers inside of the sport building.

You'll need to take with you these things: machines, monitors,
technical documentation (very important), enough triple plugs for your
machines, some network cabling, some hubs/switches, sleeping bag, air
mattress, towel, shower stuff, plate, cutlery, coffee mug.

Comprehensive Information are on the web:
http://oldenburger.linuxtage.de/Oldenburg2001/

Regards,

Joey

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Linux Developer's Meeting in Oldenburg 2001 - Sept 27th - 30th

Name  :
E-Mail:

I'd like to attend on these days:

[ ] Thursday, September 27th
[ ] Friday, September 28th
[ ] Saturday, September 29th
[ ] Sunday, September 30th

Dinner will be from 7pm - 9pm or something.  If you plan to arrive
within this period, make sure you know how to reach me mobile.

Number of machines ...:
Number of monitors ...:

Name may be placed on web page: ( ) yes
( ) no

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Recompile cfs for stable

[Martin Schulze]

ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/c/cfs/cfs_1.3.3-8.dsc
ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/c/cfs/cfs_1.3.3.orig.tar.gz
ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/c/cfs/cfs_1.3.3-8.diff.gz

A recompile for powerpc/stable is required.

Regards,

Joey

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Stable upload of boot-floppies 2.2.26

[Martin Schulze]

It would be nice if boot-floppies_2.2.26 would be uploaded into stable for
all missing archs, i.e. for alpha, arm, m68k, powerpc, sparc

Especially a powerpc upload would be nice since the only
reason for 2.2.26 to get into stable is to fix powerpc
problems...

Regards,

Joey

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Recompile bwbasic for stable

[Martin Schulze]

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bwbasic/bwbasic_2.20pl2.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bwbasic/bwbasic_2.20pl2-3.2.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bwbasic/bwbasic_2.20pl2-3.2.diff.gz

An upload of this version for stable is required for the following
architectures: alpha, i386, powerpc and arm (if possible)

Regards,

Joey

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Recompile telnet for stable

[Martin Schulze]

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netkit-telnet/netkit-telnet_0.16.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netkit-telnet/netkit-telnet_0.16-4potato.3.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netkit-telnet/netkit-telnet_0.16-4potato.3.diff.gz

This package requires an upload to stable for these architectures:
alpha, arm, m68k, powerpc and sparc.

Regards,

Joey

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Recompile freewnn for stable

[Martin Schulze]

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/freewnn/freewnn_1.1.0+1.1.1-a016.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/freewnn/freewnn_1.1.0+1.1.1-a016-1.potato.3.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/freewnn/freewnn_1.1.0+1.1.1-a016-1.potato.3.diff.gz

A recompile of this package is required on the following
architectures: alpha, arm, powerpc and sparc

Regards,

Joey

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Recompile xtel for stable

[Martin Schulze]

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xtel/xtel_3.2.1.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xtel/xtel_3.2.1-4.potato.1.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xtel/xtel_3.2.1-4.potato.1.diff.gz

This package requires a recompile and upload to stable for the
following architectures: alpha, arm, powerpc and sparc

Regards,

Joey

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Recompile postgresql for stable

[Martin Schulze]

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/postgresql/postgresql_6.5.3.orig.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/postgresql/postgresql_6.5.3-27.dsc
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/postgresql/postgresql_6.5.3-27.diff.gz

This package requires a recompilation and upload to stable for the
following architectures: alpha, arm, powerpc and sparc

Regards,

Joey

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Re: powerpc.d.o -> voltaire.d.o

[Martin Schulze]

Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 06:10:34AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Since tervola.Infodrom.North.DE isn't really useful nowadays, the
> > CNAME powerpc.debian.org should probably be changed to voltaire.debian.org.
> 
> FWIW, when I created voltaire.d.o, debian-admin implied that they'd
> rather deprecate the .d.o aliases.

Now that there are so many hosts of one arch, that's proper.  When we
started, we only had on ia32, one m68k and one powerpc.  It was no big
deal to alias them.  Nowardays, it's not required and useful anymore.

Regards,

Joey

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4 package(s) to rebuild on powerpc/stable

[Martin Schulze]

These packages have to be rebuilt for stable on powerpc in order to let
the packages go into 2.2r5.

Please find URLs to source packages attached below for convenience.
When uploading, please take care of the distribution, which should
contain 'stable' and nothing else.

For further explanation please check the detailed report at
.

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/inn2/inn2_2.2.2.2000.01.31.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/inn2/inn2_2.2.2.2000.01.31-5.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/inn2/inn2_2.2.2.2000.01.31-5.diff.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mailman/mailman_1.1.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mailman/mailman_1.1-10.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mailman/mailman_1.1-10.diff.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openldap/openldap_1.2.12-2.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openldap/openldap_1.2.12.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openldap/openldap_1.2.12-2.diff.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/contrib/source/misc/tkseti_2.12-2.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/contrib/source/misc/tkseti_2.12.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/contrib/source/misc/tkseti_2.12-2.diff.gz

Thank you for your contribution,

Joey

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4 package(s) to rebuild on powerpc/stable

[Martin Schulze]

These packages have to be rebuilt for stable on powerpc in order to let
the packages go into 2.2r5.

Please find URLs to source packages attached below for convenience.
When uploading, please take care of the distribution, which should
contain 'stable' and nothing else.

For further explanation please check the detailed report at
.

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dump/dump_0.4b25.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dump/dump_0.4b25-0.potato.1.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dump/dump_0.4b25-0.potato.1.diff.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/groff/groff_1.15.2.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/groff/groff_1.15.2-3.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/groff/groff_1.15.2-3.diff.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_0.1.9.1-1.potato1.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nfs-utils/nfs-utils_0.1.9.1-1.potato1.tar.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/x11/xcin_2.5.2-1.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/x11/xcin_2.5.2.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/x11/xcin_2.5.2-1.diff.gz

Thank you for your contribution,

Joey

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3 package(s) to rebuild on powerpc/stable

[Martin Schulze]

These packages have to be rebuilt for stable on powerpc in order to let
the packages go into 2.2r6.

Please find URLs to source packages attached below for convenience.
When uploading, please take care of the distribution, which should
contain 'stable' and nothing else.

For further explanation please check the detailed report at
.

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/admin/adjtimex_1.10-1.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/admin/adjtimex_1.10.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/admin/adjtimex_1.10-1.diff.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/devel/gcc_2.95.2-13.1.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/devel/gcc_2.95.2.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/source/devel/gcc_2.95.2-13.1.diff.gz

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/samba_2.0.7.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/samba_2.0.7-5.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/samba_2.0.7-5.diff.gz

Thank you for your contribution,

Joey

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1 package(s) to rebuild on powerpc/stable

[Martin Schulze]

These packages have to be rebuilt for stable on powerpc in order to let
the packages go into 2.2r6.

Please find URLs to source packages attached below for convenience.
When uploading, please take care of the distribution, which should
contain 'stable' and nothing else.

For further explanation please check the detailed report at
.

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/squid/squid_2.2.5.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/squid/squid_2.2.5-4.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/squid/squid_2.2.5-4.diff.gz

Thank you for your contribution,

Joey

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Re: Debian PowerPC (was: Re: Debian and Power Macintosh)

[Martin Schulze]

On Fri, Nov 07, 1997 at 01:12:39PM -0500, Klee Dienes wrote:
> Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Sorry about the bad archive file --- somehow it got truncated on the
> way over.  The FILE 'mklinuxfs.tar.gz' (8Mb) should be complete.  I
> believe you will need to decompress it locally before you can use it
> with the MkLinux installer.

We won't use he MkLinux installer but try to install it as a whole
or in parts using tar and gunzip.

To be hones this machine even doesn't have the installer as I had
to re-install MacOS on it.

Tomorrow I'll create an account for you on that machine, same
as on master.  Somehow I forgot that.

Regards

Joey

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Re: PowerPC.debian.org

[Martin Schulze]

Klee Dienes writes:
> 
> > The system looks quite good (it's Debian so what else would you
> > expect).  There is only one problem that we don't have a compiler on
> > that machine at the moment.  I hope this will change within the next
> > days.
> 
> Oops, sorry about that.  There's a few packages that I built "by
> hand", either by heavy tweaking to the source files, or in some cases
> by pillaging other people's binary packages.
> 
> To make sure I don't get too dependent on this "cheating", I've been
> keeping those files in a separate directory.  They're now in my home
> directory on master.debian.org under ~klee/debian (I'd put them on
> powerpc.debian.org, but I don't yet have a home directory or sudo
> access).

Sorry for that, I think it's because your account was not created
by hand but introduced by the mklinuxfs, you've now got a home directory.

> And while I remember:
> 
> Be careful also that the versions of bash and e2fsprogs in the ftp
> repository are currently highly unstable --- e2fsck in particular will 
> often trash entire filesystems by mistake.

Oh my dear!  We have to be careful with that.

> I used the versions of bash and e2fsprogs from the alien/ directory in
> the install image; we should probably stick with those until we get
> the new ones working better.

I'll install them as soon as they arrive.

Regards

Joey

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Fwd: Compiled bible-kjv 4.00-3 (powerpc) on tervola.infodrom.north.de

[Martin Schulze]

Howdy folks,

I really should fake the Date line. Yes it's night over here.
But there's still good news.  It seems the machine does some useful
work now.  Look at the generated mail and upload announcement

Regards

Joey


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Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:37:01 +0500
Resent-From: Johnie Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This is an automatically-generated report of an attempt to
recompile this package, so you can see how it fares on other
systems and architectures.  If you do not wish to receive this,
contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Automatic build was successful.  The results will be uploaded to master.

||/ NameVersionDescription
+++-===-==-
ii  dpkg1.4.0.18   Package maintenance system for Debian Linux
ii  gcc 2.7.2-3GNU C Compiler
ii  binutils2.7-2  GNU Binary Utility Development Utilities
ii  libc6-dev   0.961212-2 Additional libraries required to compile

Linux tervola 2.1.42 #21 Sat Sep 20 11:10:05 PDT 1997 ppc unknown
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Package: bible-kjv
Version: 4.00-3

** ** Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:24:16 -0500: Unpacking "bible-kjv_4.00-3.dsc".

bible-kjv (4.00-3) unstable; urgency=low

  * Build under hamm.
  * Retake package since I am still listed as maintainer.

 -- Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:04:45 -0800


** ** Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:24:39 -0500: Building bible-kjv on powerpc for 
powerpc.
** ** Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:25:07 -0500: Build of bible-kjv successful. 
:-)


dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code
dpkg-buildpackage: no source included in upload


** ** Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:25:07 -0500: Studying bible-kjv_4.00-3_powerpc.deb.

 new debian package, version 2.0.
 size 2605668 bytes: control archive= 488 bytes.
 543 bytes,13 lines  control  
 Package: bible-kjv
 Version: 4.00-3
 Architecture: powerpc
 Depends: libc6
 Installed-Size: 2755
 Maintainer: Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Description: King James Version of the Bible. Old textbased UI.
  This package includes the King James Version of the Bible (translated in
  1611) which is and was widely used in the English speaking culture
  and a search/browse engine that allows searching and reading passages from
  scripture. Includes full concordance.
  .
  It would be nice if someone could setup up a webinterface for the bible.
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1997-12-11 21:24 ./
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1997-12-11 21:24 usr/
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1997-12-11 21:24 usr/doc/
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1997-12-11 21:24 usr/doc/bible-kjv/
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-rw-r--r-- root/root   554 1997-12-11 21:24 usr/doc/bible-kjv/copyright.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root   394 1997-12-11 21:24 
usr/doc/bible-kjv/README.linux.gz
-rw-r--r-- root/root   388 1997-12-11 21:24 
usr/doc/bible-kjv/changelog.debian.gz
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drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1997-12-11 21:24 usr/man/
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-rw-r--r-- root/root878552 1997-12-11 21:24 usr/lib/bible.data.conc


sh: deblint: command not found


** ** Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:25:09 -0500: Build of bible-kjv complete.

-rw-rw-r--   1 johnie   Debian515 Dec 11 21:25 
bible-kjv_4.00-3_powerpc.changes
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  2605668 Dec 11 21:25 
bible-kjv_4.00-3_powerpc.deb




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Re: Installation Questions and Boot Disks?

[Martin Schulze]

Hi Espy!

> I'm wondering what's the best way to "assimilate" a non-Debian installed
> system into a Debian one.
> 
> I assume that I need to install a base system (either MkLinux or "normal"
> RedHat) and then get dpkg and dselect installed somehow.

I tried that one but it was very hard as the MkLinux/RedHat is heavily
screwed.  It took me several months (i couldn't afford working on it
every day though).

This time I tried a different way and I'm really impressed.  Klee
Dienes has created an mklinuxfs.tar.gz (look at his home directory
on masterr, and the /alien directory) which is some debian base for 
powerpc.

After installing this one, configuring it and fixing permissions
it works.  Ask netgod, his auto-compiler is running as hell.

> Is anyone working on a native Debian installer for Power Macs? Or is that
> waiting on a full "base" section?

Hartmut Koptein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> seems to be working on it.

> I have noticed that the source for the RAM disk based RedHat installer is
> available at <ftp://samba.anu.edu.au/pub/linux-pmac/install-source/>,
> perhaps that could be used as the basis for a Debian installer.

Yes, I've mirrored it here.

> I don't have any experience with building boot disks, but I am willing to
> help in whatever way I can.

I think this should not be too difficult as you can boot the machine
via floppy, so it should be possible to use the boot-floppies package
(but forget the syslinux stuff)

Please take a look at the system, I'll create the same account as
on master: powerpc.debian.org.

Regards

Joey

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Re: libgmp work

[Martin Schulze]

On Sat, Dec 13, 1997 at 11:47:47PM -0800, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> 
> So, I'm curious who's working on gmp and what problems people are
> having.  I need gmp for ssh...

Afaik theres still a problem.  Just try to compile it and you'll
see the problem.  We're getting internal compiler errors during
compilation of some packages (binutils, egcs...)

Regards

    Joey


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Glibc on PowerPC

[Martin Schulze]

Good day David,

I've created an account for you on the Debian PowerPC machine.  It's
the same password as on master.  At the moment only telnet and ftp
access works (no ssh, rlogin, rsh).

We'd be happy if you could try to get a recent glibc compile on that
architecture.  This would solve some of our problems with compiling
various programs on that machine.

The machine is aliased to powerpc.debian.org.

Regards,

    Joey

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Re: forwarded message from Geoffrey KEATING (fwd)

[Martin Schulze]

On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 07:31:08PM +0100, Vincent Renardias wrote:
> 
> Bad news: the current glibc snapshot and the old 961212 snapshot are
> INCOMPATIBLE. (cf: the attached emails)
> 
> I suggest the following:
> 
> 1/ patch egcs-1.0.1 and install binutils .18 to get a clean dev. env.
> 
> 2/ release the current glibc snapshot as libc6.1 (as it's the case in
> Debian/alpha).

As this would be a very strong change, I believe we should first verify
that the new glibc works and that we're able to set up a fresh system.

At the moment we have an mklinuxfs.tar.gz containing "old" libraries.
We need this for a new system, too.

Before Guy is removing the files on master which I think would
be needed (btw. remove it step by step so mirrors doesn't get screwed)
in order to get a consistant system.

BUT: If a new installation is needed we still need the old libraries.
This means we need to store them somewhere.  I'll burn them on cd-rom
before the directories vanishes.  If there's enough space what I think
I'll put some rpm's on it, too.

We also need to keep the libc6 and libc6.1 debfiles around so we are
able to do new installations.

Well, this also bombs my plans.  I was about finishing the
Debian-PowerPC-Howto, seems this has to wait now.

> So on tervola:
> 
> * we keep the current 961212 snapshot as libc6 (so the current binaries
> can run).
> 
> * we install glibc-980111 as libc6.1{-dev} and use it to build and install
> new packages.

Does this affect the soname, too?  I fear yes, but I also don't really
see a way to get around this

> * ALL the powerpc binaries MUST be rebuilt and uploaded. (we should ask
> guy to purge the current binary-powerpc I think to be sure no old package
> is left)
> 
> Sounds good? (Or is there something in the forwarded emails I've missed)

Not really...

If we can provide runtime libc6 (current) and new libc6.1 with
new binaries depend on this it should be ok.

Regards

Joey

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Re: forwarded message from Geoffrey KEATING (fwd)

[Martin Schulze]

On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 09:03:11PM +0100, Vincent Renardias wrote:

> > At the moment we have an mklinuxfs.tar.gz containing "old" libraries.
> > We need this for a new system, too.

> Why?!

tervola2 or a system for the sponsor.

> I don't think it is a big problem anyway since our current glibc snapshot
> really calls itself 'libc-2.0.91', so it more appropriate to package it
> under libc6.1-2.0.91 than libc6-2.x.y...
> 
> > BUT: If a new installation is needed we still need the old libraries.
> > This means we need to store them somewhere.  I'll burn them on cd-rom
> > before the directories vanishes.  If there's enough space what I think
> > I'll put some rpm's on it, too.
> 
> No new installation required I think (cf: above)

Well, do you remember the time when the machine kept crashing at least
every second day and the filesystem got completely screwed up?

Apart from that I'd like to be able to install it on another machine.
I would be very unhappy if we needed to start from the very beginning
again.  I'm just careful.

Regards

Joey

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Re: Freeze of Hamm in other architectures

[Martin Schulze]

On Fri, Apr 03, 1998 at 02:56:05PM -0500, Brian White wrote:
> Please include me on any replies since I don't actually subscribe to this 
> list.
> 
> What is the general consensus about the stability of each of these
> architectures (powerpc, alpha, and sparc)?  Should they be release with
> the i386 and m68k versions as 2.0 or should that wait until a later time
> (perhaps 2.1)?

PowerPC won't be ready for 2.0.  We still have severe glibc problems
that need to be solved first.  Don't count on us, we keep unstable for
now.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: no anonymous access to powerpc.debian.org ...

[Martin Schulze]

On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 05:12:02PM +0200, LUTHER Sven wrote:
> Hello, ...
> 
> > I've been pointed to
> >ftp://powerpc.debian.org/pub/Linux/linux-ppc/debian/
> > which contains .deb's for glibc and sundry other stuff.
> 
> It seems that this site is not freely accessible.
> i tried to access it but without success :

That's what I hoped as  I don't want more hosts with aftp in that
lan.  Please use ftp.infodrom.north.de instead, same path.

Regards,

Joey

> I suppose that this is only a debian developper accessible site, and that

correct.

> all the ongoing stuff for debian-ppc is there and not in the slink
> distribution.

Incorrect.  ftp.infodrom is a >10gig public ftp server.

> would it be possible to find the information encoutered there on some
> anonymous accessible site, if you don't want it in the slink distribution
> for now.

right above.

Sorry for the inconvenience,

Joey

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Re: Debian make my G3 go!

[Martin Schulze]

Dan Jacobowitz wrote:
> >  Like  Alex Romosan I used linuxppc and mounted the partition with debian
> >  on it, but I couldn't get quik to work, so I used quik under MacOS. I used
> > the swap partion that I normally use for linuxppc.  
> 
> Quik is going to be packaged and cleaned up; Matt McLean is working on
> it.  There's a few bugs.

Good.  I'll have to try a more recent Quik on tervola in order to get it
boot from the IDE disk.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian make my G3 go!

[Martin Schulze]

Joel Klecker wrote:
> At 13:00 -0700 1998-08-15, Martin Schulze wrote:
> >Dan Jacobowitz wrote:
> >> >  Like  Alex Romosan I used linuxppc and mounted the partition with debian
> >> >  on it, but I couldn't get quik to work, so I used quik under MacOS. I
> >>used
> >> > the swap partion that I normally use for linuxppc.
> >>
> >> Quik is going to be packaged and cleaned up; Matt McLean is working on
> >> it.  There's a few bugs.
> >
> >Good.  I'll have to try a more recent Quik on tervola in order to get it
> >boot from the IDE disk.
> 
> I made /dev/hda7 on tervola bootable using quik 1.3.0, I suggest you try
> booting from it. The current SCSI root partition remains bootable, so you
> should be able to go back to it if booting from IDE fails.

Do you know what I need to tell OF to boot from IDE?

ide/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:0 or what?

I assume hda7 contains the same system like the current?

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Status of Debian on the PowerMacs?

[Martin Schulze]

I've included a prelimnary installation document in my powerpc web
pages at http://master.debian.org/~joey/powerpc/install.html.

I need more information in order to complete it.  I'd appreciate
if the people who recently have installed the system would send
me appropriate paragraphs.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Status of Debian on the PowerMacs?

[Martin Schulze]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've just reinstalled debian from the base.tar.gz tarball.
> 
> I had (have) three difficulties: 1) relating to the tarball 2)
> another because I was installing **over** a redhat/mklinux
> system, and 3) no editor worked.
> 
> 1)  dselect/dpkg uses awk to determine diskspace available.
> My awk was a mess of back and forth symlinks ultimately pointing
> to gawk, which because of glibc2 would only segfault, hence
> no disk space available, hence deselect failed.

This is a known bug which has been addressed.  The base system
currently lacks an awk.  Hartmut will include one in the next
base tarball.

> 2) I had a bunch of shell-utils, chown, chmod, etc... in path
> built with incompatible libs.  Had to blow them away.

Did you try to reinstall the shellutils.deb?

This libc is incompatible with most of all libc's for PowerPC
before.  You cannot run old binaries with the new libc.[1]

> 3) vi /etc/inittab (or any file) would only give me an empty screen.
> I've not figured that one out yet.

Did you try to install a different editor?

Check your TERM, LINES and COLUMNS variables.  I know from other
systems that they mess up with my screen modes.

> It may or may not be a difficulty, but I've still to figure out
> just how to convert a running system to debian without blowing

Since the libraries this is difficult.  We tried this, I believe these
trials did cost us at least half of a year - together with endless
compilations of new and old C libraries, compatibility packages,
screwing the system etc.

> everything away.  I have difficulties `bootstrapping' dpkg.  Apt
> seems easier, but I did not find an apt-get for powerpc.

Try to compile it on your own.  If it's not in main but in experimental
it won't be compiled regularily.

> > I've included a prelimnary installation document in my powerpc web
> > pages at http://master.debian.org/~joey/powerpc/install.html.
> > 
> > I need more information in order to complete it.  I'd appreciate
> > if the people who recently have installed the system would send
> > me appropriate paragraphs.

[1] You can still run them, there is a bincompat package/program/library,
but it didn't work as expected.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Status of Debian on the PowerMacs?

[Martin Schulze]

Alex Romosan wrote:
> i think you should mention that the kernel version has to be greater
> than 2.1.102 (not sure about the last digit) because of the
> chown/lchown problem. i spent enough time figuring this out.

done.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian/PPC

[Martin Schulze]

Erwan Lerale wrote:
> > > I have a 5300C powerbook what do you think about running this
> > > computer under Linux ? I have seen a lot of contradictions in the
> > > doc i have read.
> > 
> > Oh, I don't know much about hardware.  If mklinux or linuxppc

Neither do I, btw.  Hardware gets developed faster than I can follow
and I find software much more interesting.

> > supports this machine Debian does, too.  In that case it will
> > be a good idea to run it with Linux. :-)
> I'm not very good with the macintosh world ;( Could you please tell

Neither do I, btw.  I owned intel PCs for about 10 years, did some
hardware hacking in my former life, and learned to hate Apples.
Then I got this machine next to me... Wow, with Linux they're useful...

> me how can i install the powerpc-base.tar.gz ? i don't want to
> run the mklinux installer ... ;)

Ok.  You should the the following:

a) boot the disk under Linux, somehow, via installer, boot disk,
   cdrom.  At least it runs under Linux.

b) Get essential programs to work.  These are: shell, mke2fs, tar,
   pdisk (fdisk replacement) gunzip, mount, umount (sync, eject
   could be helpful), maybe quik

c) a way to access external data, e.g. by ftp'ing, reading from
   a hfs partition, external disk with data written by another 
   system.

If these work you should:

. partition the disk
. mke2fs a file system on it
. mount it
. mount the hfs partition (assuming you put the powerpc-base there)
. Install it with cat power-base|gzip -d|tar -x -C /mnt -f -
. Adjust passwords
. Install a working kernel
. Figure how you can boot, either by using quik or a different
  mechanism
. Adjust OF
. try to boot

> Cu soon under debian/PPC :)

I hope so.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian Linux on PowerPC

[Martin Schulze]

Nico De Ranter wrote:
> I'm currently trying to reuse a number of PowerMacs we have lingering
> around after we kicked out the marketing department.  I have a few
> of them running MkLinux but since we standardised on Debian for our
> PC's I would prefer to run Debian on our Macs also.  Is the the current
> PowerPC version stable?  And ifso how can I install it?  I found the
> page on the regarding "Intallation of Debian GNU/Linux on PowerPC
> machines" but it stops after repartitioning the drive and a reference
> to "Boot Variables 1.3" which doesn't seem to exist anymore.  Can you
> give me any idea on how to put Debain on my Mac?

Currently the PowerPC port seems to be stable.  However we don't have
boot disks right now.

Please reload the installation page.  I've added the remaining.  Sorry,
I was forced to put up *something* and there was no time left to complete
it.

http://www.debian.org/~joey/powerpc/install.html

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Debian/PPC

[Martin Schulze]

Hartmut Koptein wrote:
> Hi Joey,
> 
> > If these work you should:
> > 
> > . partition the disk
> > . mke2fs a file system on it
> > . mount it
> > . mount the hfs partition (assuming you put the powerpc-base there)
> > . Install it with cat power-base|gzip -d|tar -x -C /mnt -f -
> > . Adjust passwords
> > . Install a working kernel
> > . Figure how you can boot, either by using quik or a different
> >   mechanism
> > . Adjust OF
> > . try to boot
> 
> 
> add you this to the powerpc html page? I'll do it, when i have some more time
> for it.

Done.

> Second: i cannot find my tarball in Incoming. Please save it from your mirrors
> Incoming to a better place. 

No problem, I already addressed this:

ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/Linux/linux-pmac/debian/current/base-powerpc.tar.gz

Regards,

Joey

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It's done

[Martin Schulze]

Folks,

it's done.

Tervola now boots from the IDE disk.  I noticed that 1.5GB of
space is already used and there's only 400MB left.  I'm not sure
if that's the expected disk usage.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: It's done

[Martin Schulze]

Hartmut Koptein wrote:
> > Tervola now boots from the IDE disk.  I noticed that 1.5GB of
> > space is already used and there's only 400MB left.  I'm not sure
> > if that's the expected disk usage.
> 
> :-) I think Espy has already many packages installed. 
> 
> Only 400MB ... hmmm ... not enough to compile fortune-mod. 

fortune-mod needs *more* than fourhundred megabytes?  I've seen
big packages, and I've seen large packages, and I've even heard
of huge packages but this breaks everything.[1]

> Have you a second hardisk for compiling purpose ??

Currently there's also the 1gig scsi drive connected and the
300mb scsi drive that we use as backup system.  It contains
the last but one system.  Please do *not* use it for something
else.  The 1gig drive however can be used freely.

Once finlandia (main server) is fixed I'll re-arrange disks in
some systems which might affect tervola as well.

Regards,

Joey

[1] Did you mix up 400MB with 400kB?

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Re: sid for LinuxPPC, boot-disks

[Martin Schulze]

First of all, you might want to check out the current installation
document at http://www.debian.org/~joey/powerpc/install.html

Uwe Muench wrote:
> I have a PowerMac 4400/220 with LinuxPPC... I don't like the 
> RedHat-distrib for LinuxPPC, though (ie they don't have a xntp
> included), therefore I'd like to use the upcoming upgrade to switch to
> Debian...

Good choice.  I've set CC to the debian-powerpc list.  Feel free to
check that list, too, i.e. it's archive at
http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/

> Now: How do I do this? I didn't see any LinuxPPC-bootdisks...

Currently we don't have them.  I seem to remember that one out of
the porting team was about playing around with them.  Until that
you either have to use the linuxppc bootdiske (to be found at
ftp.linuxppc.org) or overwrite an existing system by unpacking a
tarball over it.

> Is there a way to slowly upgrade from RedHat to Debian without
> booting? Since the machine is my mailserver, etc, I want the upgrade
> to have almost no impact on the normal user usage, of course... ;-)

If you're familiar with Debian this is no problem.  If you're not,
this will be a hassle.

Basically you should get the powerpc base system tarball.  If you
don't want to harm your existing system, you should untar it in
/new and copy as much files to their normal places as you can.

ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/Linux/linux-pmac/debian/glibc2.1-system/base-powerpc.tar.gz

The most important files are:
/var/lib/dpkg
/etc/init.d* /etc/rc* /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/alternatives
/usr/bin
/usr/sbin

These files have to be copied as a minimum since they include
basic tools and configuration files for a Debian system.  Once
you have installed this tarball you can continue with dpkg -i
or dselect.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: List of powerpc owners

[Martin Schulze]

Hartmut Koptein wrote:
> Moin,
> 
> this is a list of people with a powerpc system. It is always good to have such
> a list. A mbr system is missing! Did someone know who has such a system?
> 
> Joey: if you have some minutes, could you append this list (only the debian 
> people)
>   to the powerpc-html page (after some corrections, if something is 
> missing,
>   Stefan, Sven: what is your system name?)??
>   With an email link?

I added it.  Should be on master/va tomorow.  Until then it's at
http://www.infodrom.north.de/~joey/Linux/Debian/master/powerpc/machines.html

Yes, I know that the URL is long.  It'll become
http://www.debian.org/~joey/powerpc/machines.html

Please tell me corrections.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Want some help? ("Will hack for CDs")

[Martin Schulze]

Jesper Skov wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm seriously considering helping out with the PowerPC/Debian port
> (partly to stress test the Linux/APUS port but also because I feel the
> need to work on some application level stuff - rebooting gets boring
> in the long run) and spend the morning downloading PPC Debian
> binaries... I only downloaded admin, devel, emacs, libs and base - and
> it's not really working out. So, on to plan B - asking silly questions
> on the list:
> 
> I need to get a couple of CDs with the current PPC binaries and
> sources and wonder where to get those. I looked at UK distributers and
> a few American, but none of them seem to do PPC images. So, where

Come to Oldenburg and this is possible.  There will be quite some people
with burners around and a debian mirror is good reachable - if the power
is not turned off.  Even then I can write you two cd's.

Right now it doesn't make much sense selling ppc cds.  The system
doesn't yet boot off off a cd nor do we have a powerpc boot disk
set.  This is one of the things we should consider for Oldenburg.
It would be helpful if you could try to work something out so we
would have a start.

> would I get it?  Come to think of it, shouldn't Debian be sponsoring
> the startup cost for new developers by sending appropriate CDs? :)

The costs for new cd's are so low that it doesn't make sense to
invent a debian office who sends freshly burned CD roms to new
wannabe maintainers.  There are a lot of maintainers all around
the world who can burn you a custom Cd if you just ask.  Hint:
Phil Hands also lives in the UK.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Want some help? ("Will hack for CDs")

[Martin Schulze]

Jesper Skov wrote:
> Martin> Come to Oldenburg and this is possible.  There will be quite
> Martin> some people with burners around and a debian mirror is good
> Martin> reachable - if the power is not turned off.  Even then I can
> Martin> write you two cd's.
> 
> Hey! This is what I hoped for all along... Except I probably will not
> come to Oldenburg :(

What a pity.

> Martin> Right now it doesn't make much sense selling ppc cds.  The
> Martin> system doesn't yet boot off off a cd nor do we have a powerpc
> Martin> boot disk set.  This is one of the things we should consider
> Martin> for Oldenburg.  It would be helpful if you could try to work
> Martin> something out so we would have a start.
> 
> I thought someone was already working on boot floppies (I think I saw
> a few postings in the archive about this).

I know that Espy is working on it.  But when three ppc hackers are
around 5 computers there is a fair chance to get it working faster
than by the work of one single person.

> I was hoping for pointers to someone who has the technology (CD
> burner) and a mirror of the PPC stuff. Any Debian distributor who
> knows more about Debian than "it's those premade images I can
> download, burn and sell". Preferably one I could pay with plastic -
> which rules out the U.K. distributors :(

For commercial vendors there is no market for exprimental Debian
PowerPC stuff.  I'm nagged by a vendor in .de for about half a year.
But without boot floppies and stable glibc this doesn't make sense.
Now that the libc is stable we need the boot floppies. :-)

Regards,

Joey

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tervola moved

[Martin Schulze]

Doh,

I forgot to tell you.  I've taken tervola off of the net in order
to bring it to the hackers meeting.  I'll hook it up to the "real"
net again sunday evening or monday morning.

Regards,

Joey

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utill-linux, package

[Martin Schulze]

Since I don't get util-linux compile at the first time I wonder
who compiled it last time.

Regards,

Joey

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ADB, single, button, mouse

[Martin Schulze]

Hi,

did anybody notice that support for one button mouse doesn't seem
to work with our current kernel?  Somebody wants to work on this
one?  Btw. it's a little bit confusing since you can select text
on the text console with gpm, you just cannot paste it...

We tried to solve this in Oldenburg but broke my machine by that..

Regards,

Joey

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tervola back (Re: tervola moved)

[Martin Schulze]

Martin Schulze wrote:

> I forgot to tell you.  I've taken tervola off of the net in order
> to bring it to the hackers meeting.  I'll hook it up to the "real"
> net again sunday evening or monday morning.

I've recovered the machine from our breakdown and it's back.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: utill-linux, package

[Martin Schulze]

Dan Jacobowitz wrote:
> That's a leftover from haggie's habit pf binary-only NMUs, right?  I
> have patches for it, and I filed a bug with them as I recall - check
> the BTS.  If they aren't there I'll send them to you; and in fact if
> someone will look over them first, I may NMU.

I can't find the patch in the bug tracking system, Neither on
http://www.infodrom.north.de/Debian/Bugs/db/pa/lutil-linux.html
nor on http://master.debian.org/~cpbs/d.html .

I may be blind, but...

Did you get agetty working again?  I wonder why it stopped because
this was one of the first programs that I've patched for the powerpc,
some 1.5 years ago.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Problem with emacs package.

[Martin Schulze]

Rob Browning wrote:
> but this won't work because -T is a linker option.  Further we need an
> absolute path because gcc is called from several directories, so
> ppc.ldscript isn't always in the same dir.  From looking at the
> ibmrs6000.h I can see that they use $(srcdir) which would be perfect.
> We could just say this:
> 
>   #define LD_SWITCH_MACHINE -Wl,-T,$(srcdir)/src/ppc.ldscript
> 
> Unfortunately, it doesn't work.  $(srcdir) is never expanded.  I don't
> know how the ibmrs6000.h makes it work yet.
> 
> If no one has better ideas, I'll probably just put a gcc wrapper in
> debian/bin and put it first in the path.

Can't you work with some weird^H^H^H^H^Htricky `pwd` stuff?

Regards,

Joey

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Re: I would like to try installing debian-ppc

[Martin Schulze]

Tamas Papp wrote:
> > disk. It is still not clear how to get a core system on the partition. I
> > get the tarball and then what? Please help me or at least tell me what to
> > read.
> Meanwhile I found a more detailed set of instructions
> (http://www.infodrom.north.de/~joey/Linux/Debian/master/powerpc/install.html)
> and I would like to know where I could find boot floppies. I tried
> ftp.linuxppc.org but I got lost in the directory tree and I couldn't find
> nor installer.coff neither partition.coff.

Yesterday I accidently found an older directory where I've put *that* kind
of stuff.  So drop me a line if you want the two disks.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Where could I find a boot floppy image?

[Martin Schulze]

Tamas Papp wrote:
> I was trying for three hours. My problem is that I can't get into the OF
> directly, using the Option-Command-O-F keys. Does anybody know about other
> key combinations (PPC 5400/180)?

Another way is to use BootVariables and turn off the [ ] auto-boot
option.  If you're running Linux you could also use nvsetenv auto-boot?

Regards,

Joey

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Re: utill-linux, package

[Martin Schulze]

Martin Schulze wrote:
> I may be blind, but...

Indeed, I am. :(  There it is:

http://www.infodrom.north.de/Debian/Bugs/db/pa/lutil-linux.html

> Did you get agetty working again?  I wonder why it stopped because
> this was one of the first programs that I've patched for the powerpc,
> some 1.5 years ago.

Anyway, the problem still is that agetty doesn't assign the correct
tty to login or something.  This results in accepting the password
on the new (agetty-served) console while login or agetty prompts for
the password on that one, too, but you have to enter the password
on the console from where you started the getty.  The resulting shell
uses the correct output but wrong input tty.

Somebody want's to fix this?

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Status of debian-powerpc?

[Martin Schulze]

Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
>   hi,
> I subscribed to this list to find out about the progress of debian-ppc.
> What's the status? Is it long before it's usable? Is the glibc 2.1 stable?

It's usable and stable.  It lacks an installation method though.  This
is one of the things we're going to work on soon.  If you can contribute
that would be fine.

> Finally, where can I find the base files and packages to download?

Please read http://www.debian.org/~joey/powerpc/install.html

Regards,

Joey

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Re: problems booting my ppc with linux

[Martin Schulze]

Czako Krisztian wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I still have problems booting my IBM RS/6000 (ppc 604e, 200mhz) with
> Linux.
> I've tried the CHRP and PReP images without any success.
> The CHRP image's loader starts, gunzips, copies the OF device list then
> hangs, so the Linux kernel doesn't start. The PReP image hangs right
> after starting it. I've tried several images from several places.

Did you also try the xcoff images that are stored somewhere on ftp.linuxppc.org?

You could also try to ask on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (address might
be wrong) for a working boot system / kernel.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Fix buildd@powerpc.debian.org bounces!

[Martin Schulze]

Guy Maor wrote:
> 
> 

> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:54:40 +0200 (CEST)
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: mail failed, returning to sender
> 
> |- Failed addresses follow: -|
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... transport smtp: 550 relaying to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> prohibited by administrator
> |- Message text follows: |
> Received: at Infodrom Oldenburg (/\##/\ Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2)
>   from master.debian.org by finlandia.Infodrom.North.DE
>   via smail with smtp
>   id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:54:36 +0200 (CEST) 
> Received: from ([209.176.56.5]) by teergrube (10 sec delayed, relaying denied)
> Received: (qmail 19938 invoked by uid 878); 10 Oct 1998 18:54:34 -
> Date: 10 Oct 1998 18:54:34 -
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: Debian Installer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Debian/powerpc Build Daemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: xpuzzles_5.4.4-2_powerpc.changes INSTALLED
> 
> [body not included]
> 

Args.  I was told that this was fixed yesterday, so I didn't pay
attention anymore.  Apparently it was not.  I apologize for my lack
for administrator duties.

I'm sorry, but people keep installing exim but forget about contacting
me about it.

I have now re-installed Smail since it's the MTA that causes least trouble
and I'm able to configure it.

It provides:

 . Local user delivery

 . Support for ~/.forward files

 . Support for real-user to bypass a .forward file

 . Localhost is localhost, tervola, tervola.infodrom.north.de
   and powerpc.debian.org

 . Outgoing mail is sent to a smarthost

 . Incoming mail is only accepted from the 0 MX machine.

 . Execution via inetd, limited by tcpd

Please don't change it without notifying me.

The same setup should be installed on kullervo.  If not, I might get over
and remove exim there in order to install Smail, too.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: sysklogd broke my root login

[Martin Schulze]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> sysklogd_1.3-29.deb  powerpc
> 
> Everything on that machine tracks unstable.
> 
> I don't know if this is a bug or something local.  Has
> anyone else run into it?

Sure, read the archive of debian-devel.  Please use the -30 release, that
one is stable again.  I broke -27 and -29, I apologize, and I keep myself
off of sysklogd until the freeze takes place, in the optimistic hope that
this will ever happen.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Web page (~joey)

[Martin Schulze]

Peter Abrahamsen wrote:
> Greets again,
> 
>   I found the following web page, which explains a method of installing
> debian-ppc:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/~joey/powerpc/install.html
> 
> Anyway, for the chap that was also seeking to find out how to install, it
> looks like you can go to the url above, and skip to step 6 (after making a new
> partition for the debian, mke2fs'ing it, and mounting it, naturally).
> 
> It looks like it will be easy enough, and I see no reason why the linuxPPC
> kernel (even the prebuilt one) should not work for us. Is this correct?

Generally the prebuilt should work, but you know Murphy, don't you?  In
my case it didn't detect the ethercard which made the machine pretty useless.

> I'm very anxious to get this working - I have to get a harddrive back from a
> friend to install off of. Once I'm going, what area needs most work? I.e.,
> would it be of must use for me to learn how to make .deb packages, and start
> compiling stuff, or are there other areas which need work? I am not a C
> programmer, but there should be other things I can do to help.

There are a bunch of packages (~300 irrc) that are not compilable on
our powerpc machines.  Hartmut maintainer a list.  These need work.  For
the regular stuff we have some auto-compiler running.

The second - but very important - issue covers the boot-floppies for
PowerPC.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Apple Clone with Linux

[Martin Schulze]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have problems with  Linux on a Umax Clone. The Processor is an PPC 604 e
> with 250 Mhz. Sometimes it works sometimes not. What i`f done wrong ? If
> Possible send me an installertip (possible in German) to try again. Thanks a
> lot
> A. Ellersiek

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Re: Debian on Apple 180c

[Martin Schulze]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Has anyone else had a problem booting debian on a pre-powerpc apple 
> powerbook? I can't get past the color selection screen. It just stopsjust 
> stopped, not frozen.
>   
>   Chris Smith

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Invitation to the Oldenburg Linux Developers Meeting #9

[Martin Schulze]

Moin!

   Invitation to the Oldenburg Linux Developers Meeting #9
   ---

Executive summary:

URL:   http://oldenburger.linuxtage.de/Oldenburg2004/
What:  Oldenburg Linux Developers Meeting #9
Who:   Every developer interested in Linux on non-i386 platforms
   Every developer interested in developing the debian-installer
When:  September, 22nd to 26th (Wednesday noon to Sunday afternoon)
Where: University of Oldenburg, science building in Oldenburg Wechloy
Orga:  ffis e.V., Martin 'Joey' Schulze


Keeping the tradition alive we will organise another Linux developers
meeting in Oldenburg this year at the last weekend of September.  This
year, however, we will be able to use the facility from Wednesday to
Sunday, hence, one day longer than before.

There were loud complaints last year about the meeting being too
short, so it will be extended by one day this time.  The meeting will
take place at the University of Oldenburg in the scientific building
in Oldenburg Wechloy.

the goal of this developers meeting is to provide developers a means
to work in common on the non-i386 Linux ports and related topics and
to further the exchange of ideas and discussion about the several
ports.

We will have dedicated working and sleeping rooms as before.  We
should be able to use three more rooms during the nights in case the
number of attending developers is too high for the two dedicated
sleeping rooms.  We will be able to use the shower facility of the
sports department nearby.

This year Debian developers will join us again for work on the new
debian-installer.  They will probably want to test the installer on
some "obscure" hardware they don't normally have access to, so don't
worry if you should receive such a request.

We will have dinner together in a restaurant in the evening.  A
preliminary plan is on the web already, but the restaurants and the
order may still change.  We will have a barbecue on Friday for this is
the tenth developers meeting already.

As usual we will have a never-ending breakfast in the large working
room.  I will get rolls each morning and ensure that there will be
butter, cheese, saussages, jam, Nutella and stuff.  I'll also take
care of non-alcoholic fluids.

Attendance is free of cost including food and beverage in the working
rooms (although we are always thankful for donations, EUR 10-20 per
person should cover the expenses).  However, for the barbecue on
Friday instead of a restaurant we would be thankful if you could take
a stake in the expenses, EUR 5-10 should cover the costs.

Beside machines, equipment and documentation you'll need to take with
you a sleeping bag, maybe a camping mat or cot, towels, shower suff,
personal toilett stuff, maybe medicine, clothes, mug and plate are
optional but helpful.

You'll find routing information on the website mentioned above.

If you would like to attend the meeting, please send back the
following form, so that we can calculate space, power and food.

Name :

Date of arrival .: ( ) Wednesday, Sep, 22nd
   ( ) Thursday, Sep, 23rd
   ( ) Friday, Sep, 24th 
   ( ) Saturday, Sep, 25th

Date of departure ...: ( ) Friday, Sep. 24th
   ( ) Saturday, Sep. 25th
   ( ) Sunday, Sep. 26th

[ ] Vegetarian (only needed for the barbecue)

___ usable seats in my car, once arrived (only if you come by car)

Special requirements for food: __

If you come by train/plane and want me to pick up up in Bremen or
Oldenburg, please drop me the exact arrival and departure times as
well.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask me.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Invitation to the Oldenburg Linux Developers Meeting #9

[Martin Schulze]

Martin Schulze wrote:
> Moin!
> 
>Invitation to the Oldenburg Linux Developers Meeting #9
>---
> 
> Executive summary:
> 
> URL:   http://oldenburger.linuxtage.de/Oldenburg2004/

Correct URL is <http://meeting.ffis.de/Oldenburg2004/>.  The above
domain got lost unfortunately.

> What:  Oldenburg Linux Developers Meeting #9
> Who:   Every developer interested in Linux on non-i386 platforms
>Every developer interested in developing the debian-installer
> When:  September, 22nd to 26th (Wednesday noon to Sunday afternoon)
> Where: University of Oldenburg, science building in Oldenburg Wechloy
> Orga:  ffis e.V., Martin 'Joey' Schulze

> If you would like to attend the meeting, please send back the
> following form, so that we can calculate space, power and food.
> 
> Name :
> 
> Date of arrival .: ( ) Wednesday, Sep, 22nd
>( ) Thursday, Sep, 23rd
>( ) Friday, Sep, 24th 
>( ) Saturday, Sep, 25th
> 
> Date of departure ...: ( ) Friday, Sep. 24th
>( ) Saturday, Sep. 25th
>( ) Sunday, Sep. 26th
> 
> [ ] Vegetarian (only needed for the barbecue)
> 
> ___ usable seats in my car, once arrived (only if you come by car)
> 
> Special requirements for food: __
> 
> If you come by train/plane and want me to pick up up in Bremen or
> Oldenburg, please drop me the exact arrival and departure times as
> well.
> 
> If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask me.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: MLton on PowerPC: voltaire's Christmas wish?

[Martin Schulze]

Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 12:38:20PM -0500, Adam Goode wrote:
> > The price of this upgrade is $30.
> > http://dealram.com/prices/15/256MB.html
> > I will match funds with someone who puts in $15! :)
> 
> I'll match you for $15 too. :-)
> There's another anonymous person who said they'd donate also, so that is
> $10 each. However, I don't know who the person is who runs voltaire.
> 
> I've CC'd this to debian-admin in the hopes that they can tell us where to
> mail RAM so that it is installed in voltaire. 

Dan Jacobowitz.

> ( Assuming that voltaire is situated in the States )

It is, traceroute should tell you more.

Regards,

Joey

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