Re: Fwd: Firefox 52esr on PPC32 is outdated
Hi #330250 _:) About Firefox I can only say that I feel the same thing as you describe, Adrian, when you say that the current version isn't really usable on a single-core system such as a G4. Even on a Dual-G4 or a Dual-G5, TenFourFox for Mac OS X was very VERY slow... The latest versions of Firefox are way too bloated for such hardware, so maybe we need to realize that keeping a completely current userland on PPC32/64-based Linux is no longer possible. A lot of projects have moved on and even when the code compiles, it clearly isn't meant to run on such old machines. This does include some older Pentiums and Core Duos I also still lave laying around in my basement. TenFourFox was is somehwat usable actually, of course not general browsing anymore, but specific friendly sites... What's a lightweight alternative for: Lightweight of course means removing features 1) Gnome or KDE XFCE or Windowmaker + GNUstep 2) Thunderbird GNUMail 3) Firefox An issue... ArcticFox, netsurf, midori... 4) LibreOffice No real alternatives :( 5) GIMP GIMP luckily works on G4 and G5... otherwise you need several programs. Image Magick, PRICE, xv, etc. Riccardo
Re: Fwd: Firefox 52esr on PPC32 is outdated
Hi, Am 2024-12-16 21:17, schrieb Riccardo Mottola: TenFourFox was is somehwat usable actually, of course not general browsing anymore, but specific friendly sites... I actually try SeaLion [^1] on my PowerMacG511,2 (2 Ghz, 12 GB-Ram, 1 TB NVMe-SSD) with Debian 12 SID and it is surprisingly usable for a lot of websites I tried, inclusive GitHub etc. Riccardo Jan [^1]: https://github.com/wicknix/SeaLion/releases -- Herzlichst Jan Montag
Re: Firefox 52esr on PPC32 is outdated
On 2024-12-16, at 12:38 PM, Herr Montag wrote: > Hi, > > Am 2024-12-16 21:17, schrieb Riccardo Mottola: > >> TenFourFox was is somehwat usable actually, of course not general browsing >> anymore, but specific friendly sites... > > I actually try SeaLion [^1] on my PowerMacG511,2 (2 Ghz, 12 GB-Ram, 1 TB > NVMe-SSD) with Debian 12 SID and it is surprisingly usable for a lot of > websites I tried, inclusive GitHub etc. > >> Riccardo > Jan > > [^1]: https://github.com/wicknix/SeaLion/releases > > -- > Herzlichst Jan Montag > I would agree that SeaLion has been the browser that seems the most functional to me as well. I recommended this one a few months ago, the last time this question came up about a browser for these systems. People at that time were very enthusiastic about Firefox being able to work, naturally enough, but until such time as it does work, which may or may not be never, it's nice to have SeaLion available. Ken
Re: Fwd: Firefox 52esr on PPC32 is outdated
No,it's not that... Em sex., 29 de nov. de 2024 13:18, Linux User #330250 < linuxuser330...@gmx.net> escreveu: > Hey, Leo, what is your problem? > > On 29th November 2024, 16:12, Leo Historias wrote: > > -- Forwarded message - > > De: Leo Historias > > Date: qui., 28 de nov. de 2024 16:21 > > Subject: Re: Firefox 52esr on PPC32 is outdated > > To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > > Cc: debian-powerpc > > > > > > Thanks for the update. > > > > Still,I wanna hear if there's any progress on Firefox PPC32 > > port,specifically the Node.js port for 32 bit PowerPC.That dependency of > > Firefox has been ported to i386/32 bits,and this made Firefox work. > > However,that's not currently ported to PPC32,right? > > > > Specifically after your wrote this: > > On 17th September 2024, 16:35, Leo Historias wrote: > > Ah, I see. So you guys won't port the dependencies right now due to > > manpower. And you explained it well. So that's why you guys won't bring > > Firefox 115esr to powerpc yet until you bring node.js,which became a > > requirement 1 year ago. > > > > > > And thanks for clarifying I'm not too young,i will contribute later. > > Is it your desire to add your e-mail address to a spam filter? Because > you're right on target for that to happen... > > @Adrian and all the others still working on PPC32 and PPC64: BIG BIG > thanks! Your work is very hard for a very few still using this > architecture, so thank you so much! > > I myself have stopped running my PowerMacs due to time constraints, but > they're waiting for me, probably for my retirement. The problem is that > by then most likely no current Linux will exist anymore. > > I just read that CHRP will be removed from the Linux kernel with one of > the next releases. The next release is 6.13, so maybe this one? > > https://lwn.net/Articles/998180/ > > "No Apple machines should be affected." Great, and hopefully so, > although I remember that some CHRP stuff was loaded by the Linux kernel > on my PowerMac back in the day. > > About Firefox I can only say that I feel the same thing as you describe, > Adrian, when you say that the current version isn't really usable on a > single-core system such as a G4. Even on a Dual-G4 or a Dual-G5, > TenFourFox for Mac OS X was very VERY slow... The latest versions of > Firefox are way too bloated for such hardware, so maybe we need to > realize that keeping a completely current userland on PPC32/64-based > Linux is no longer possible. A lot of projects have moved on and even > when the code compiles, it clearly isn't meant to run on such old > machines. This does include some older Pentiums and Core Duos I also > still lave laying around in my basement. > > Which brings me to my final question: what could be viable replacement > applications for using an old 32-bit machine on the Internet? > What's a lightweight alternative for: > 1) Gnome or KDE > 2) Thunderbird > 3) Firefox > 4) LibreOffice > 5) GIMP > and so on... Because almost all of those projects are "no fun" on two > decade old systems and older. > > And: maybe a specific version of Debian Linux is necessary for "legacy > systems" rather than trying to keep it all current for everybody. Maybe > a PPC64 system needs other software than a PPC32 system. And as well for > i386 and so on. > > Just my 2ยข. > And THANK YOU Adrian and all others, who still work on and contribute to > PPC32 and PPC64! > > Apologies for this long posting, > and representing Leo without his knowledge and consent, for Leo and what > he wrote, because this clearly isn't the right way to talk to hard > working developers and maintainers. I hope you accept it from me instead. > > Linux User #330250 > >
Re: Firefox 52esr on PPC32 is outdated
Speaking about it,The only reason why there's no firefox on PowerPC 32 bits is because of the lack of node.js,this is the reason why Firefox works on i386,even on non-sse2 processors unlike the official version. For example in windows,The last version of Firefox on non-sse2 processors, even on 7 is 48.0.2,which is too outdated to run some modern websites like Discord which simply won't work or Youtube which works but warns you that's unsupported. If you try to install something like 52esr or 102 using the offline installer,it'll prevent you from installing. If you try to bypass it by extracting it,it'll work after clicking on the EXE but it'll be unstable and might crash. This won't be apparent from the get-go,the only thing that causes the instability is by trying any heavy websites. Don't expect stability on non-sse2 processors due to memory leaks and crashing. Even the only sign before instability is the high ram usage. Wouldn't say it won't work,especially on Windows 7 which officially supports 102. On Vista and XP,this obviously won't work unless it's 52esr. Em seg., 16 de dez. de 2024 18:21, Ken Cunningham < ken.cunningham.web...@gmail.com> escreveu: > > On 2024-12-16, at 12:38 PM, Herr Montag wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Am 2024-12-16 21:17, schrieb Riccardo Mottola: > > > >> TenFourFox was is somehwat usable actually, of course not general > browsing anymore, but specific friendly sites... > > > > I actually try SeaLion [^1] on my PowerMacG511,2 (2 Ghz, 12 GB-Ram, 1 TB > NVMe-SSD) with Debian 12 SID and it is surprisingly usable for a lot of > websites I tried, inclusive GitHub etc. > > > >> Riccardo > > Jan > > > > [^1]: https://github.com/wicknix/SeaLion/releases > > > > -- > > Herzlichst Jan Montag > > > > I would agree that SeaLion has been the browser that seems the most > functional to me as well. I recommended this one a few months ago, the last > time this question came up about a browser for these systems. > > People at that time were very enthusiastic about Firefox being able to > work, naturally enough, but until such time as it does work, which may or > may not be never, it's nice to have SeaLion available. > > Ken >
Re: Firefox 52esr on PPC32 is outdated
Build from source and edit the file to work on RISC based systems. Don't expect others to solve that problem. On Monday, December 16, 2024, Leo Historias wrote: > Speaking about it,The only reason why there's no firefox on PowerPC 32 > bits is because of the lack of node.js,this is the reason why Firefox works > on i386,even on non-sse2 processors unlike the official version. > > For example in windows,The last version of Firefox on non-sse2 processors, > even on 7 is 48.0.2,which is too outdated to run some modern websites like > Discord which simply won't work or Youtube which works but warns you that's > unsupported. If you try to install something like 52esr or 102 using the > offline installer,it'll prevent you from installing. If you try to bypass > it by extracting it,it'll work after clicking on the EXE but it'll be > unstable and might crash. This won't be apparent from the get-go,the only > thing that causes the instability is by trying any heavy websites. Don't > expect stability on non-sse2 processors due to memory leaks and crashing. > Even the only sign before instability is the high ram usage. Wouldn't say > it won't work,especially on Windows 7 which officially supports 102. On > Vista and XP,this obviously won't work unless it's 52esr. > > Em seg., 16 de dez. de 2024 18:21, Ken Cunningham < > ken.cunningham.web...@gmail.com> escreveu: > >> >> On 2024-12-16, at 12:38 PM, Herr Montag wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Am 2024-12-16 21:17, schrieb Riccardo Mottola: >> > >> >> TenFourFox was is somehwat usable actually, of course not general >> browsing anymore, but specific friendly sites... >> > >> > I actually try SeaLion [^1] on my PowerMacG511,2 (2 Ghz, 12 GB-Ram, 1 >> TB NVMe-SSD) with Debian 12 SID and it is surprisingly usable for a lot of >> websites I tried, inclusive GitHub etc. >> > >> >> Riccardo >> > Jan >> > >> > [^1]: https://github.com/wicknix/SeaLion/releases >> > >> > -- >> > Herzlichst Jan Montag >> > >> >> I would agree that SeaLion has been the browser that seems the most >> functional to me as well. I recommended this one a few months ago, the last >> time this question came up about a browser for these systems. >> >> People at that time were very enthusiastic about Firefox being able to >> work, naturally enough, but until such time as it does work, which may or >> may not be never, it's nice to have SeaLion available. >> >> Ken >> >
