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[Alan McKiernan]

sony vaio fx215 and video out

[Dominik Juszczyk]

Hi

I have question: I want to connect my laptop to TV to watch movies on
larger screen. Is there any software to do it??? Under windows there was
option in display section where you were to tell him which display is
default.

Is that possible under Debian???

-- 
Pozdrowiam, Dominik Juszczyk

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Re: Which laptop!!! (Knoppix.org!!!)

[Robert Michel]

On Wednesday, 13. November 2002 18:15, Lukas Ruf wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, I?aki Mart?nez wrote:
> >  I want to buy a laptop and i do not know which..
> >
> >  What i want to do (with Debian):
>
> the easiest way: take a recent Debian CD with you.  Go into a shop and
> ask the seller to have the Debian installed.  Nowadays with the
> current economic situation this works sometimes -- depending on the
> shop.
>
> wbr,
> Lukas

Salve Lukas,

Why installation?

If you want to check an laptop from a friend or seller,
the Live Linux: Knoppix  (based on Debian) have an great hardwarereconition,
it boots in 3 minutes on most PC from one CD without touching the hd.
http://www.knoppix.org
In spain:
http://www.cylnux.org/knoppix-es/

Gruesse aus Aachen,
rob

Re: sony vaio fx215 and video out

[Daniel Pittman]

On 14 Nov 2002, Dominik Juszczyk wrote:
> I have question: I want to connect my laptop to TV to watch movies on
> larger screen. Is there any software to do it??? Under windows there
> was option in display section where you were to tell him which display
> is default.
> 
> Is that possible under Debian???

That depends on the video card that your machine has in it.

If you have an NVIDIA card, the binary drivers support TV output to some
degree. If it's Matrox, it's well supported. ATI is also well supported.

Anything other than that, though, and you are probably short on luck.

 Daniel

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Older Laptops...

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello, 

I am looking for some (8-20) older Laptops for some friends in 
Turkey, Kurdistan, Iran and Syria. 

They must have minimum a 486dx4/100, 16 MB of Ram, 540 MB HD, 
Floppy, CD-Rom and PCMCIA for 3c589D-Combo LAN-Cards. The Screen 
resolution is OK wit 800x600/256. 

I like to run X, balsa, mozilla, lyx and hylafax (ore something 
like this : GUI-Sugestions ???) 

Question:   Is there a list, which OLDER LAPTOPS are working 
properly with Debian/GNU-Linux 2.1 Slink (2.0.38). 

Thamks in Advance
Michelle Konzack

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Michelle Konzack & Tamay Dogan
Apt. 917
50, rue des Soultz
67000 Strasbourg

Firewall bases on iptables for a laptop or PC at work/home

[Dan Fer]

Hello,

I made up a firewall using iptables for my laptop, it works perfect whether 
you use dynamic of fixed up.


I would appreciate some coments about if you like it or find it usefull.

The whole firewall is like a template and easy to understand in which you 
can make new chains easisy using already defined ones and modifying, etc 
etc.


This firewall allows ssh and ftp and logs what it has to.

I also would like to know if anybody sees a hole or something badly made so 
I can better it.


Please check it out and let me know what you think:

http://www.debian-gnu.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=12&page=1

or

http://www.debian-gnu.com  -- Sections -- Configurations

Thanks and hope you like it

-daniel
http://www.debian-gnu.com



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Heeelp with XF86COnfig file

[Mark Banschbach]

Hi Peoplez

  I need a hand with configuring the X window.. I got
the monitor and graphics cards set.. the problem seems
to be the fonts.. the configuration file can not find
the fonts server.. and after looking in that directory
I dont see anything there either.. 

   Can you give me some ideas about if I needed to
download these or point them in the proper
directions.. 

Mark

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Re: Heeelp with XF86COnfig file

[Seneca]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 04:30:07AM -0800, Mark Banschbach wrote:
> Hi Peoplez
> 
>   I need a hand with configuring the X window.. I got
> the monitor and graphics cards set.. the problem seems
> to be the fonts.. the configuration file can not find
> the fonts server.. and after looking in that directory
> I dont see anything there either.. 
> 
>Can you give me some ideas about if I needed to
> download these or point them in the proper
> directions.. 

Have you installed xfonts-base yet?

-- 
Seneca
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Disk Problems with kernel-image-2.4.19-686

[Andreas Weigl]

Hi

First of all, I'm new to this list and new to Debian. I had Suse before, but 
since i tried Debian, I like it more and more.

Here is my Problem. I've got a Maxdata Pro 710 X. I don't have any disk 
problems with kernel-image-2.4.18-686.
When I boot 2.4.19 the System hangs at Partition check and the disk-LED is on. 
I had the same Problem with SuSE 2.4.19 but it booted when I said ide=nodma. 
This does not work with the Debian Kernel.
The exact Message when booting 2.4.18 at this Point is:
Partition check:
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [PTBL] [4864/255/63] p1 p2 p3 < p5 p6 p7 >
When I boot 2.4.19 I onley get:
Partition check:
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:

The Disk is a Fujitsu MHR2040AT. Bios is Pheonix V4R6.1 R01-C0E.
lspci says my IDE interface is a Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M5229 IDE (rev 
c4)

I want 2.4.19 because the linux-wlan-ng modules are only available for 2.4.19.
Yes, I could compile it myself, but I want to make an apt-get update to get a 
new one, instead of compiling it myself again and again :)

Any suggestions?

Andi
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-- Elvis Presley

Re: Which laptop!!!

[Derek Broughton]

From: "Simon Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 04:53, Jim Richardson wrote:
> > Why steer clear of Dell? I have been quite happy with my Inspiron 8100.
>
> On the whole me too.
>
> Have had some problems with BIOS updates so my only suggestions is don;t
> unless you really need to.
>
> Otherwise their hardware is nice and standard so very compatible.

I don't think (though I'm willing to be corrected) that they have produced a
proper ACPI-compatible BIOS yet - and most of the newer machines don't support
apm.

Re: e100 and hotplug on Thinkpad T23

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Expert" == Expert User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Expert> I did some testing and found that the /sbin/hotplug is run
Expert> only when I do insmod e100 or rmmod e100, and not when I
Expert> plug or unplug the cable.

Right. Then you are simulating plugging a device, not a cable.

Cheers!
Shyamal

Re: Which laptop!!!

[Eric S. Johansson]

Jim Richardson wrote:
Why steer clear of Dell? I have been quite happy with my Inspiron 8100. 


I'm of the same mind.  I'm very happy with my Dell Inspiron 5000 for 
hardware support.  Software support can't fog a mirror but other than 
that they're OK.


Personally, I will not purchase any laptop with "Mr. eraser head" for a 
pointing device.  Granted, my hands have been nuked from too many hours 
on the keyboard but those kind of pointing devices really aggravate my 
hands.  I also hate that they also put a dimple in the middle of your 
LCD screen.  Mr. eraser head is evil, evil, evil!


---eric

woody install on laptop

[milti]

hello,

for the past couple of days, ive been trying
to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
and have not been able to get past the rescue
disk:  the error that stands out is

   root fs not mounted

i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
fine before and actually was able to do some perl
network programming before the upgrade bug
bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??

Re: woody install on laptop

[Thomas_Kroener]

Hi milti...

On 14.11.2002 15:50 milti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> for the past couple of days, ive been trying
> to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
> sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
> and have not been able to get past the rescue
> disk:  the error that stands out is
> root fs not mounted
> i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
> fine before and actually was able to do some perl
> network programming before the upgrade bug
> bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
> anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
> at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
> installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
> netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
> as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??

The installation manual on debian.org in chapter 5.3 'Installing
from floppies' says:

Information on boot parameters which might be useful can
be found by pressing F4and F5. If you add any parameters
to the boot command line, be sure to type the boot method
(the default is linux) and a space before the first parameter
(e.g., linux floppy=thinkpad).

Might that be useful?

ciao Thomas


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Microsoft isn't the answer,
Microsoft is the question.
And the answer is NO!

Which laptop.....

[Iñaki Martínez]

Hi!!!

 I have read all of your answers...

 But what i need is something ULTRA-LIGHT!

 I am falling in love with:

http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P2

 More technical info:

http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_notebooks.shtml?products/notebooks/tech_specs/p2000_fall02_ts


 I think there is no problem to install Debian


 Another question: how good/bad is Crusoe processor???

 Debian and/or  Linux support?


thanks

Re: Which laptop.....

[Lukas Ruf]

Hi,



On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, I?aki Mart?nez wrote:

> 
>  Debian and/or  Linux support?

have you already checked http://www.linux-laptop.org/ ?

I do not know if this has already been posted -- if so, pardon the
noise...

wbr,
Lukas
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Re: woody install on laptop

[milti]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi milti...


guten tag, thomas,  wie geht's??



On 14.11.2002 15:50 milti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


for the past couple of days, ive been trying
to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
and have not been able to get past the rescue
disk:  the error that stands out is
   root fs not mounted
i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
fine before and actually was able to do some perl
network programming before the upgrade bug
bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??
   



The installation manual on debian.org in chapter 5.3 'Installing
from floppies' says:

Information on boot parameters which might be useful can
be found by pressing F4and F5. If you add any parameters
to the boot command line, be sure to type the boot method
(the default is linux) and a space before the first parameter
(e.g., linux floppy=thinkpad).

Might that be useful?

ciao Thomas


hmmm, i have read the function keys and no, nothing suggested there
worked or rather, what i saw suggested there didnt work.  what id like
to find out is, isnt the root fs during the install suppose to be the 
installed

memory??  and if so, how do i explicitly say that for the boot??  ive never
known this particular failure to happen during installation (and i have a
long history of linux install failure).  thats probably not the only 
question

i should have, but its the only one im conscious of to articulate.

still in need,

milti

Re: Which laptop!!!

[Harald Arnesen]

"Eric S. Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Personally, I will not purchase any laptop with "Mr. eraser head" for
> a pointing device.  Granted, my hands have been nuked from too many
> hours on the keyboard but those kind of pointing devices really
> aggravate my hands.  I also hate that they also put a dimple in the
> middle of your LCD screen.  Mr. eraser head is evil, evil, evil!

That's a matter of taste. For me, it's the only acceptable pointing
device apart from a standard mouse. And I can't see a trace of it on my
screen. 

But only IBM's are really good, Toshibas not of the same standard at
all.

Touchpads are (for me) totally unusable, trackballs just a little
better.
-- 
Hilsen Harald.

RE: X in Compaq Presario 900

[Fedor Karpelevitch]

sorry, I did not really understand - why did you have to bother with the
files and not just upgrade the package?

And so, you say that this radeon (is it really the same one as in presario
900?) works fine with 4.2.1, but not yet 4.1 ? From what I heard so far it
was only going to be supported in 4.3 or something... If that is right, it
is great news then!

--
fedor.


How do you explain school to a higher intelligence?
-- Elliot, "E.T."


> -Original Message-
> From: Julien MARY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:43 PM
> To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: X in Compaq Presario 900
> 
> 
> 
>  What i have done is not totally clean but works very well. 
> (for evo n160 with Rage Mobility M6 Radeon)
> 
>  I have installed everything i need with version 4.1.0. Then 
> i have downloaded the same packages from the unstable part.
> 
>  Then i have used mc to visit the .deb files.
> And i have copied everything from mc.
> For the system, no dependencies are broken.
> It is believing that it is 4.1.0 but it is 4.2.1.
> And radeon works with 4.2.1
> 
> Now, i'm glad :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2002 01:49:22 +0100
> Vicente Aguilar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > El mié, 13-11-2002 a las 17:38, Mattia Dongili escribió:
> > 
> > > Radeons are supported with X > 4.1.99 :P
> > 
> > This particular one isn't. :-P
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > These laptops ship with a new integrated chipset by ATI, 
> the IGP320M or
> > Radeon Mobility U1. A part of this chipset is the graphic 
> card, which
> > claims to be Radeon 7000 compatible but doesn't work with 
> XFree86 4.2.x
> > (even forcing drivers with ChipID, all you get is a garbled 
> screen). The
> > AGP bus, which is also part of the chipset, isn't supported by the
> > kernel either.
> > 
> > But both the framebuffer and X work with the VESA drivers.
> >  
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> > 
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Re: woody install on laptop

[milti]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   


Information on boot parameters which might be useful can
be found by pressing F4and F5. If you add any parameters
to the boot command line, be sure to type the boot method
(the default is linux) and a space before the first parameter
(e.g., linux floppy=thinkpad).
Might that be useful?
ciao Thomas
 


hmmm, i have read the function keys and no, nothing suggested there
worked or rather, what i saw suggested there didnt work.  what id like
to find out is, isnt the root fs during the install suppose to be the
installed
memory??  and if so, how do i explicitly say that for the boot??  ive
   


never
 


known this particular failure to happen during installation (and i have a
long history of linux install failure).  thats probably not the only
question
i should have, but its the only one im conscious of to articulate.
   



So where does your installation exactly fail? Already when you try to
boot from your usb floppy?

 



it fails after the linux.bin has been decompressed and it probes the system
to see what hardware is available.  as the messages fly up down the screen,
it looks (from my familiarity of watching potato boot) that it does 
identify pretty
much everything that i have attached.  it seems to complete as it does 
request
that the root.bin floppy be inserted.  however, when i do insert the 
second floppy
it is never recognised and that is when i see the message repeated: root 
fs is

not mounted.

so, i guess, the answer to your question is that it does everything that 
its supposed
to except mount a valid root fs.  as a note, i will say that when i did 
have the potato
installlation available (it is now gone), if i said root=/dev/hda1, it 
would mount that
filesystem and finish the boot (although, it would not recognise my 
network card).


now that i have reinstalled windows to my machine, is there anyway i can 
boot linux.bin
from it and then continue with a network install (as well as 
re-partitioning the hard drive

usw)??

vielen danken,

milti

Re: woody install on laptop

[milti]

milti wrote:


hello,

for the past couple of days, ive been trying
to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
and have not been able to get past the rescue
disk:  the error that stands out is

   root fs not mounted

i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
fine before and actually was able to do some perl
network programming before the upgrade bug
bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??






ive been trying this some more and the problem seems to
be the usb floppy drive.  is there anyone who has had this
problem and knows how to surmount it??

milti

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[Markus Pister]

Re: woody install on laptop

[cyn]

Yes, this has come up before - check the archives of debian-boot and
debian-laptop mailing lists (debian user might not hurt, but those two
discuss it more).

I've never done it personally - I installed from base packages on a
dos partition when I had my libretto (funky floppy disk, pcmcia -
supported after some work once installed but never got installation to
like it) and installed from cdrom with my sony.

Two options you may not have considered - one, you can base install on a
desktop by removing the hard drive.  This has the advantage of merely a
$3-6 adapter cable for the laptop HD, and you gain the full power of your
desktop for setting everything up (cdrom, processor, etc.).

Another, is doing the same thing, but putting the base files on the hard
drive in a small partition (which you can later use as swap, or just as a
spare partition)  This can be done either with lots of floppies and a
small DOS partition, or with the hard disk method outlined above.

I believe the first floppy disk does work - as linux isn't loaded yet so
it's still using the disk through the bios's native mode, correct?  That
being the case you can get far enough into the install to  point it at the
base files for the rest of it.  Hmmm you will however need  a smaller, or
older, debian boot disk for this - I believe the earlier 2.2's would
allow you to get far enough to do this, but current ones don't.  Someone
with more experience rolling floppys could advice you on this - but at
this point I think it's probably more effort than researching the usb
floppy issue.

and of course there's parallel and serial installs as always, yow.  I
prefer the HD method because it gives you a cdrom and a local HD for
plenty of speed.

-Martin N.

-
This email has been sent as a single line of query, and in no way
indicates the senders interest in or acceptance of any promotions or
"opt-in"'s unless otherwise EXPRESSLY noted.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, milti wrote:

> milti wrote:
>
> > hello,
> >
> > for the past couple of days, ive been trying
> > to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
> > sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
> > and have not been able to get past the rescue
> > disk:  the error that stands out is
> >
> >root fs not mounted
> >
> > i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
> > fine before and actually was able to do some perl
> > network programming before the upgrade bug
> > bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
> > anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
> > at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
> > installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
> > netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
> > as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ive been trying this some more and the problem seems to
> be the usb floppy drive.  is there anyone who has had this
> problem and knows how to surmount it??
>
> milti
>
>
>
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Re: woody install on laptop

[milti]

cyn wrote:


Yes, this has come up before - check the archives of debian-boot and
debian-laptop mailing lists (debian user might not hurt, but those two
discuss it more).

I've never done it personally - I installed from base packages on a
dos partition when I had my libretto (funky floppy disk, pcmcia -
supported after some work once installed but never got installation to
like it) and installed from cdrom with my sony.

Two options you may not have considered - one, you can base install on a
desktop by removing the hard drive.  This has the advantage of merely a
$3-6 adapter cable for the laptop HD, and you gain the full power of your
desktop for setting everything up (cdrom, processor, etc.).

Another, is doing the same thing, but putting the base files on the hard
drive in a small partition (which you can later use as swap, or just as a
spare partition)  This can be done either with lots of floppies and a
small DOS partition, or with the hard disk method outlined above.

I believe the first floppy disk does work - as linux isn't loaded yet so
it's still using the disk through the bios's native mode, correct?  That
being the case you can get far enough into the install to  point it at the
base files for the rest of it.  Hmmm you will however need  a smaller, or
older, debian boot disk for this - I believe the earlier 2.2's would
allow you to get far enough to do this, but current ones don't.  Someone
with more experience rolling floppys could advice you on this - but at
this point I think it's probably more effort than researching the usb
floppy issue.

and of course there's parallel and serial installs as always, yow.  I
prefer the HD method because it gives you a cdrom and a local HD for
plenty of speed.

-Martin N.

-
This email has been sent as a single line of query, and in no way
indicates the senders interest in or acceptance of any promotions or
"opt-in"'s unless otherwise EXPRESSLY noted.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, milti wrote:

 


milti wrote:

   


hello,

for the past couple of days, ive been trying
to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
and have not been able to get past the rescue
disk:  the error that stands out is

  root fs not mounted

i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
fine before and actually was able to do some perl
network programming before the upgrade bug
bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??




 


ive been trying this some more and the problem seems to
be the usb floppy drive.  is there anyone who has had this
problem and knows how to surmount it??

milti



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i am exploring the boot from hard drive option at the moment,
but cannot boot to a dos prompt with my picturebook: i get thrown
into safe windows mode and havent figured out how to just get
a dos prompt.  i will check the archives (my potato came from a
cdrom install that went like a dream once i figured out how to
keep the address for the cdrom in memory).  cant use that again
because the boot cd cracked (of course, it would be the boot cd)
and no one i know with a cd-writer knows how to create a iso image
of that cd.

unfortunately, archives checks have not served me well in the past.
the answers are often outdated or do not fit my predicament exactly.
and it is frustrating to read manuals that leave out the one crucial
piece of information that is needed, eg, present predicament: everything
ive tried now has thrown me into *safe* windows mode and not the elusive
dos prompt for which i search, even though, the online windows 
documentation
tells me that what im doing should NOT boot windows.  sigh.  


i continue on my quest.

milti

Re: woody install on laptop

[Shyamal Prasad]

milti> for the past couple of days, ive been trying to do a
milti> floppy/network install of woody on my sony picturebook (usb
milti> floppy/xircom netcard) and have not been able to get past
milti> the rescue disk: the error that stands out is

milti>root fs not mounted

The (Sony) USB floppy cannot be used with any of the Woody boot
images. Your BIOS boots from the floppy, but after that you are stuck
because it is only visible as a USB device. The bf2.4 image includes
the USB support as modules, but you need the USB floppy to get them
loaded into the kernel ;-) You are kind of stuck.

There are several patched boot/root disks that do include the USB
drivers you need in the kernel on the boot disk. 

For example you could try
http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~blochedu/usb-install/

Or follow the advice on
http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/~dhofer/sony_vaio_pcg-z505ls.html

I have the good fortune of having a Sony PCMCIA CD drive to go with my
N505VE so I have never tried the floppy method. I'm confident one of
these will work for you and you will not have to go out and build your
own boot kernel and disk.

BTW my Sony CD drive works as standard IDE drive in recovery mode if I
pass "ide1=0x180,0x386" when booting. I'm not sure this information is
going to help you, but it might.

And, oh yes, please do us the favor of not cross posting on Debian
lists! 

Cheers!
Shyamal

Re: Sony Vaio EEPROM, testers wanted

[Jean Delvare]

> You then need to install the lm-sensors packages. For stable and
> testing, you'll need an additional program, i2cdetect (it is included
> in the unstable lm-sensors package). Just get it from here:
> http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/browse.cgi/lm_sensors2/prog/detect/i2cdetect.c
> And compile it with:
> gcc -Wall -O2 i2cdetect.c -o i2cdetect

Christian Gennerat noticed that you actually can't compile from the file
directly, because the webcvs numbers the lines. Either remove the line
numbers with perl:
perl -pi -e 's/^...//;' i2cdetect.c
Or get the original source from here:
http://www.ensicaen.ismra.fr/~delvare/vaio/i2cdetect.c

Sorry for not thinking about this problem at first.

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Fax & Nokia Cardphone 2.0

[Maximilian Pascher]

Hi!

Is there anybody out there who has experiences with faxing over a Nokia 
Cardphone?
When I try efax on my cardphone device I'm told that it doesn't support fax... 

cheers

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Re: woody install on laptop

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* milti [Thu, Nov 14 2002, 12:14:52PM]:

> ive been trying this some more and the problem seems to
> be the usb floppy drive.  is there anyone who has had this
> problem and knows how to surmount it??

For USB installs, visit
http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~blochedu/usb-install/

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Re: using an external USB CD to install woody (was: woody install on laptop)

[Michael Leone]

Shyamal Prasad said:
>
> milti> for the past couple of days, ive been trying to do a
> milti> floppy/network install of woody on my sony picturebook (usb
> milti> floppy/xircom netcard) and have not been able to get past
> milti> the rescue disk: the error that stands out is
>
> milti>root fs not mounted
>
> The (Sony) USB floppy cannot be used with any of the Woody boot
> images. Your BIOS boots from the floppy, but after that you are stuck
> because it is only visible as a USB device. The bf2.4 image includes the
> USB support as modules, but you need the USB floppy to get them loaded
> into the kernel ;-) You are kind of stuck.

Hmm. That's useful to know. How about this .. I have a friend who has an
IBM ThinkPad with a broken internal CD-ROM, but a working floppy .
However, she has an external USB CD-RW. Since the woody install diskettes
include USB support as modules, can I use this external USB CD drive to
install woody on her laptop (after booting with the boot/root floppies, of
course)? Or will I need to go thru the whole install using only diskettes,
and then have it recognize the CD only after the reboot?

The last time I installed Debian not from a booting CD was potato, a long
time back. :-)

>
> There are several patched boot/root disks that do include the USB
> drivers you need in the kernel on the boot disk.
>
> For example you could try
> http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~blochedu/usb-install/
>
> Or follow the advice on
> http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/~dhofer/sony_vaio_pcg-z505ls.html


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Re: X in Compaq Presario 900

[Julien MARY]

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:50:16 -0800
Fedor Karpelevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> sorry, I did not really understand - 
>why did you have to bother with the
> files and not just upgrade the package?

Because to upgrade the package needs to use 
some packages of the unstable part. Like libc6 
and maybe many others. This has prevented me 
to break some dependencies.

> 
> And so, you say that this radeon (is it really the 
>same one as in presario 900?) works fine with 4.2.1,
> but not yet 4.1 ? From what I heard so far it
> was only going to be supported in 4.3 or something...
> If that is right, it is great news then!
> 

This is what lspci is saying to me : 
VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY

So this one is working with 4.2.1



> --
> fedor.
> 
> 
> How do you explain school to a higher intelligence?
>   -- Elliot, "E.T."
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Julien MARY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:43 PM
> > To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: X in Compaq Presario 900
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  What i have done is not totally clean but works very well. 
> > (for evo n160 with Rage Mobility M6 Radeon)
> > 
> >  I have installed everything i need with version 4.1.0. Then 
> > i have downloaded the same packages from the unstable part.
> > 
> >  Then i have used mc to visit the .deb files.
> > And i have copied everything from mc.
> > For the system, no dependencies are broken.
> > It is believing that it is 4.1.0 but it is 4.2.1.
> > And radeon works with 4.2.1
> > 
> > Now, i'm glad :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 14 Nov 2002 01:49:22 +0100
> > Vicente Aguilar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > El mié, 13-11-2002 a las 17:38, Mattia Dongili escribió:
> > > 
> > > > Radeons are supported with X > 4.1.99 :P
> > > 
> > > This particular one isn't. :-P
> > > 
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > These laptops ship with a new integrated chipset by ATI, 
> > the IGP320M or
> > > Radeon Mobility U1. A part of this chipset is the graphic 
> > card, which
> > > claims to be Radeon 7000 compatible but doesn't work with 
> > XFree86 4.2.x
> > > (even forcing drivers with ChipID, all you get is a garbled 
> > screen). The
> > > AGP bus, which is also part of the chipset, isn't supported by the
> > > kernel either.
> > > 
> > > But both the framebuffer and X work with the VESA drivers.
> > >  
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Re: Older Laptops...

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 03:21:11PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I am looking for some (8-20) older Laptops for some friends in 
> Turkey, Kurdistan, Iran and Syria. 
> 
> They must have minimum a 486dx4/100, 16 MB of Ram, 540 MB HD, 
> Floppy, CD-Rom and PCMCIA for 3c589D-Combo LAN-Cards. The Screen 
> resolution is OK wit 800x600/256. 
> 
> I like to run X, balsa, mozilla, lyx and hylafax (ore something 
> like this : GUI-Sugestions ???) 
> 
> Question:   Is there a list, which OLDER LAPTOPS are working 
> properly with Debian/GNU-Linux 2.1 Slink (2.0.38). 
> 
> Thamks in Advance
> Michelle Konzack

Those apps you wanted would work fine in Potato, too.

In fact, I think you really don't want Slink's copy of Mozilla; it
barely worked back then.  16 MB is a tight fit for it, anyway; you need
javascript, or you just need to be able to generally surf?
(The junior-internet task installs both mozilla and dillo, to offer 
either direction.)

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Re: Thinkpad 770ED, Debian Sarge, new XFree 4.2.1

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 05:00:41PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:
> 
> > and: 
> > HorizSync 28-49
> > VertRefresh 43-72
> > 
> > to:
> > HorizSync 30-70
> > VertRefresh 50-90
> 
> BTW, as far as I know, laptop screens don't care about sync and refresh
> at all.

What's going to matter most is your dotclock... which strictly speaking 
is a characteristic of your videocard, but apparently really is
something about how it talks to the LCD.

Dealt with one machine that you could give any ol' insane values to as long
as its modelines had 65.15 dotclock (or within about .5 of that). Not
sure who the LCD manufacturer was, but the video card was something in
the ATI family.

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Re: Thinkpad 770ED, Debian Sarge, new XFree 4.2.1

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 03:59:43PM -0500, Darin Strait wrote:
> > Is your kernel framebuffer-enabled? (when you boot do you see a little
> > penguin in the top left corner?)
> There is no penguin. I should be running a stock kernel. I've fiddled
> with compiling kernels, but I've never actually taken the last step and 
> installed one. I'm new.

That's perfectly fine;  I just wanted to know what kernel I'm dealing
with.  You get to be my eyes and hands :) 

> > curious you're not seeing the same menus Jeremy is;  try reconfiguring 
> > debconf itself, to show you the questions every time instead of hide the
> > ones you answered already.
> OK, I've reconfigured debconf and I will xserver-xfree86 a shot after
> undocking. 

cool 

> I've got the laptop docked right now, and I'm using my ancient 3dfx PCI
> card instead of the built-in trident card. The 3dfx card seems happy
> using it's old, unmodified 4.1 XF86Config-4 file. I don't dock much when
> running linux and I've never bothered to fully debugg this
> configuration, so the mouse is skips around sometimes 

Possibly wrong mouse type declared in the pointer section?  Hmm.
Perhaps a gpm-vs.-X problem, or a gpm-vs.X solution.

Since you're new I'll explain;  gpm invokes mouse services for console
mode, and is *supposed* to give over and not touch anything when you're
on the GUI.  In practice its good behavior varies;  but sometimes, the
only way to get a mouse to settle down in X is to load up gpm, telling 
gpm.conf to repeat mouse signals into /dev/gpmdata.  Then tell X to get
its mouse at /dev/gpmdata, and make its mousetype whatever gpm is
repeating as, and voila.  Good behavior.

Mostly bonking-head-on-the-wall for tech support on mice troubles,
unless you know this trick.

> and I need to pick
> a different video mode since 1280x1024x32 is flickery at 60Hz. It would
> also be keen if I could use one XF86Config file for docked and undocked
> operations. That's for another day.

You can have as many Monitor sections as you want.  There's options to 
declare one as internal and another as external, which works for many 
people to get that result.

The hsync/vrefresh may not matter to your LCD panel, but they'll matter
to a desktop monitor... unless, perhaps, it's an LCD monitor.
 
> One quick aside: How does X figure out which refresh rate to use? I see
> where I specify a range of refresh rates for the monitor. Does X lok at
> the range that I give for the monitor, then figure out what the highest
> refresh inside of that range is and use that?
 
There's a package called read-edid that will ask the ittybitty little
"plug and pray" brain inside a monitor what it likes best;  I think the
normal X servers try to use similar logic, but since it's a different 
code base, sometimes the results are different.

I suspect X usually uses the VESA declared modes, and if those aren't a
terribly good match it cannot tell, as long as the monitor doesn't give 
an out-of-range complaint.

It will drop modelines that fall out of your declared hsync and vrefresh
ranges, though.

> > Do you still have a copy of the XF86COnfig file from before the upgrade
> > got to it?  Maybe it says how much vidram you really do have.
> I still have the old XF86Config file. I don't see any mention of "RAM"
> or "memory" in it.

Then the old defaults probably worked okay ... which might have been
2MB.  Hmmm.

> If you tell me what section or option to look for, I
> will spelunk some some. Windows 2000 insists the card has 4 MB.

Good.  Then you should be able to declare in the "Devices" section

VideoRam4096

In theory this is supposed to be autoprobed for, but on older systems
it speeds things up to say it explicitly, so I think it can't hurt.
 
> Another observation is that the color insanity is the worst in 24 bit,
> is slightly less insane in 16 bit and 8 bit seems almost OK (or maybe
> that's just the way 8 bit looks, I haven't run such a system for a very
> long time.)
 
If the crappy gradient are actually grades of nearby colors (e.g. couple
of blues, some cyans and grays interspersed, then greens) then yeah, 8
bit is probably being normal.  If they're spectral rainbows for such
nearby color efforts, no, probably not.

I wonder, perhaps you can learn from Windows what it using for monitor 
characteristics?  Not that I expect it to say, mind you - they're
notorious for calling this a "monitor driver" when it's justa few
numbers somewhere - but it can't hurt to look at Control Panels/ System/
System Devices/ Monitor/ Properties.  (may also be accessible from
Control Panel/Display hidden among things)

> thanks,
> -d

Crossing my fingers for you :)


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Re: Thinkpad 770ED, Debian Sarge, new XFree 4.2.1

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 01:16:51PM -0800, Fedor Karpelevitch wrote:
> To the original poster:
> 
> I wonder if the videocard you have is a trident. If it is then I had the
> same problem as yo, but on a desktop. I had this problem with some earlier
> versions of xfree (probably 4.0) and then it went away in 4.1, but is back
> in 4.2; all you have to do is to download .deb from here:
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xserver-xfree86.html
> 
> then do 'dpkg -i xserver-xfree86.deb' and then put package
> xserver-xfree86 on hold so it does not get upgraded again. That's all.

If you haev a deb source (list in /etc/apt/sources.list) pointing at
that one only, you should be able to do it and its companion parts with

apt-get --force-reinstall install xserver-xfree86 xlibs

(I suspect some of the others in that "kit" may be okay, but you may 
have to reinstall the apps from the same version number.  Luckily they
are pretty much next to each other in an aptitude listing, or will 
express their complaints to a commandline apt-get.)

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Re: after "apt-get upgrade" did an ooops on keymap ( OT)

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 04:16:20PM -0500, Seneca wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 11:54:27AM -0600, suleyman wrote:
> > Any direction would be appreciated.
> > I did an apt-get update, then upgrade,something to do with console and
> > keymap was upgraded. I wasnt able to pick a keymap and now wont reboot
> > until I figure out how to go back and configure keymap to load proper
> > keymap.
> 
> Try "install-keymap $MAP" where $MAP is the name of the desired keymap
> to change the boottime keymap. Use loadkeys to change the current keymap
> (does not change boottime keymap).

Yes... and if the current keymap has your keys all in strange places, at
least tab is usually in the same place, and you can abuse tab-completion
at the commandline a bit ...

All the best

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Re: e100 and hotplug on Thinkpad T23

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 08:59:55PM -0600, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> "Expert" == Expert User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Expert> In /etc/hotplug/net.agent file there are appropriate
> Expert> entries for ifup & ifdown.  # cat /etc/sys/kernel/hotplug
> Expert> shows '/sbin/hotplug'.

I believe this is for blades in RAID-servers and other hardware that
can be yanked out while powered, much like pc-cards.  The hardware
in such devices knows how to signal a state change, and 'htoplug' is
a move towards getting them all centered around one codebase.

It'd be a closer call to wonder if it would help my cd-burner trouble -
that is, an atapi/pcmcia cd-rw which once its modules are unloaded, 
will never burn again until rebooted even if the modules reload - 
than to think it'd work on just a cord being pulled.  My ATAPI card
knows how to signal its status - or more accurately pcmcia signals
its absence and presence - a cord doesn't.

The best you get is "link beat lost" from the ethernet driver.

> Expert> BUT, removing & inserting the cable, does not have the
> Expert> desired effect of running ifup & ifdown on eth0.

Perhaps you want to follow the model found in the masqdialer software;
while obviously designed for a modem link going dead on it, it does 
have other means to try and guess that it's become detached, so that
it won't send mail into deep space.

If they don't already have something to go and look, you can make one
(and maybe submit it to update the package).  But I think you can have
it trigger other events too, so it can become your pcmcia/event.d/
equivalent.

Lemme know if it helps, I've never had to do it that way :)

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Re: Disk Problems with kernel-image-2.4.19-686

[Heather Stern]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:45:54PM +0100, Andreas Weigl wrote:
> Hi
> 
> First of all, I'm new to this list and new to Debian. I had Suse before, but 
> since i tried Debian, I like it more and more.

:)  I too, use both, and my laptops have been debian-only for awhile.
> I had the same Problem with SuSE 2.4.19 but it booted when I said ide=nodma. 
> This does not work with the Debian Kernel.

. . . snip . . . 

> I want 2.4.19 because the linux-wlan-ng modules are only available for 2.4.19.
> Yes, I could compile it myself, but I want to make an apt-get update to get a 
> new one, instead of compiling it myself again and again :)
> 
> Any suggestions?

SuSE offers the config file with the options that they mark;  Debian
offers kernel-package, to create "standard style" kernel-image packages
that meet your real environment.  

So with a copy of SuSE's 2.4.x config file to hand, you should be able
to make your own .deb that is similar enough to not crash, and maybe be
leaner in other respects, but that will also accept loose 2.4.19 family
modules via apt-get.

Give yourself a flavour of "local" or the name of your laptop, instead
of "386" or "k7" etc. and you'll be able to tell the normal images from
your own.  It's nice to apt-get new bits, not so nice when they get
themselves by accident.  (Yes, I know about Hold.  Trust me on this -
you don't want to depend on only that to save a kernel from overwrite.
Do it anyway, but take no chances.)


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Re: e100 and hotplug on Thinkpad T23

[Expert User]

> If they don't already have something to go and look, you can make one
> (and maybe submit it to update the package).  But I think you can have
> it trigger other events too, so it can become your pcmcia/event.d/
> equivalent.
> 
How do I make the cable plug/unplug trigger an event?


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Re: Which laptop.....

[Heather Stern]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 04:02:46PM +0100, I?aki Mart?nez wrote:
> Hi!!!
>  Another question: how good/bad is Crusoe processor???
 
Must be tasty, it's got two major competitors in teh tablet market and
it's still on the charts at all.

>  Debian and/or  Linux support?
 
Pretends to be a PC.  No noisy fan.   This fellow did alright with
Potato;  it's probably easier nowadays:

   Linkname: Linux on the Fujitsu LifeBook P2020
   URL:
   http://linuxonlaptops.sourceforge.net/brand/Fujitsu/model/LIFEBOOK_P-2020/

Enjoy


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RE: Mouse on a dell Latitude C640

[Ori Weisberg]

I installed tpconfig, but tpconfig seems to have some
errors.

The output of tpconfig -i is:

Found Synaptics Touchpad
Firmware: 5.9 (single-byte mode).
Sensor type: unknown (27).
Geometry: rectangular/landscape/down.
tpconfig: synaptics.c:332: query_modes: Assertion 'b1
== 0x3B' failed.
Aborted

Any suggestions?
Thanks, Ori


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> Try the package tpconfig to configure your
> touchpad...
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ori Weisberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:38 AM
> > To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Mouse on a dell Latitude C640
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I have a dell Latitude C640,
> > and running kernel 2.4.18 with XF86 4.2.1
> > 
> > The laptop has both a touchpad and the tracking
> stick
> > as built-in tracking device. My problem seems to
> be in
> > how these respond. The touchpad seems very
> sensitive,
> > it will do stuff even though i am not touching it.
> In
> > addition, the regular mouse buttons do not always
> > respond to clicking.
> > 
> > in XF86Config-4 
> > the protocol is set to "PS/2" and
> > the device to "/dev/psaux"
> > 
> > 
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated :-)
> > Ori
> > 
> > 
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Re: using an external USB CD to install woody (was: woody install on laptop)

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Michael" == Michael Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Michael> Hmm. That's useful to know. How about this .. I have a
Michael> friend who has an IBM ThinkPad with a broken internal
Michael> CD-ROM, but a working floppy .  However, she has an
Michael> external USB CD-RW. Since the woody install diskettes
Michael> include USB support as modules, can I use this external
Michael> USB CD drive to install woody on her laptop (after
Michael> booting with the boot/root floppies, of course)? Or will
Michael> I need to go thru the whole install using only diskettes,
Michael> and then have it recognize the CD only after the reboot?

Michael> The last time I installed Debian not from a booting CD
Michael> was potato, a long time back. :-)

It should work, but don't trust me on this since I have not done
it. The bf2.4 boot set (6 floppies) have the USB and SCSI modules you
should need to do this, and a little bit of modconf/modprobe and USB
knowledge should get your CD-ROM working. I'd certainly give it shot.

Cheers!
Shyamal

Libretto for sale

[Paul Nendick]

I'm selling a loaded Libretto with current Debian already
installed and working on it.  If interested, please see:

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USD CD-RW

[Michel Hardy-Vallée]

Hi! 

I'd like to know if any of you could recommend a good external USB CD-RW
known to work correctly with Woody. The usb-linux page shows these
device as being in experimental support, but are they usable to read &
burn CD-ROM/CD-R/CD-RW ?

Regards

Michel Hardy-Vallée

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sony vaio fx215 and video out

[Dominik Juszczyk]

Hi

I have question: I want to connect my laptop to TV to watch movies on
larger screen. Is there any software to do it??? Under windows there was
option in display section where you were to tell him which display is
default.

Is that possible under Debian???

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Re: Which laptop!!! (Knoppix.org!!!)

[Robert Michel]

On Wednesday, 13. November 2002 18:15, Lukas Ruf wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, I?aki Mart?nez wrote:
> >  I want to buy a laptop and i do not know which..
> >
> >  What i want to do (with Debian):
>
> the easiest way: take a recent Debian CD with you.  Go into a shop and
> ask the seller to have the Debian installed.  Nowadays with the
> current economic situation this works sometimes -- depending on the
> shop.
>
> wbr,
> Lukas

Salve Lukas,

Why installation?

If you want to check an laptop from a friend or seller,
the Live Linux: Knoppix  (based on Debian) have an great hardwarereconition,
it boots in 3 minutes on most PC from one CD without touching the hd.
http://www.knoppix.org
In spain:
http://www.cylnux.org/knoppix-es/

Gruesse aus Aachen,
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Re: sony vaio fx215 and video out

[Daniel Pittman]

On 14 Nov 2002, Dominik Juszczyk wrote:
> I have question: I want to connect my laptop to TV to watch movies on
> larger screen. Is there any software to do it??? Under windows there
> was option in display section where you were to tell him which display
> is default.
> 
> Is that possible under Debian???

That depends on the video card that your machine has in it.

If you have an NVIDIA card, the binary drivers support TV output to some
degree. If it's Matrox, it's well supported. ATI is also well supported.

Anything other than that, though, and you are probably short on luck.

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Older Laptops...

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello, 

I am looking for some (8-20) older Laptops for some friends in 
Turkey, Kurdistan, Iran and Syria. 

They must have minimum a 486dx4/100, 16 MB of Ram, 540 MB HD, 
Floppy, CD-Rom and PCMCIA for 3c589D-Combo LAN-Cards. The Screen 
resolution is OK wit 800x600/256. 

I like to run X, balsa, mozilla, lyx and hylafax (ore something 
like this : GUI-Sugestions ???) 

Question:   Is there a list, which OLDER LAPTOPS are working 
properly with Debian/GNU-Linux 2.1 Slink (2.0.38). 

Thamks in Advance
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Firewall bases on iptables for a laptop or PC at work/home

[Dan Fer]

Hello,

I made up a firewall using iptables for my laptop, it works perfect whether 
you use dynamic of fixed up.

I would appreciate some coments about if you like it or find it usefull.

The whole firewall is like a template and easy to understand in which you 
can make new chains easisy using already defined ones and modifying, etc 
etc.

This firewall allows ssh and ftp and logs what it has to.

I also would like to know if anybody sees a hole or something badly made so 
I can better it.

Please check it out and let me know what you think:

http://www.debian-gnu.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=12&page=1

or

http://www.debian-gnu.com  -- Sections -- Configurations

Thanks and hope you like it

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Heeelp with XF86COnfig file

[Mark Banschbach]

Hi Peoplez

  I need a hand with configuring the X window.. I got
the monitor and graphics cards set.. the problem seems
to be the fonts.. the configuration file can not find
the fonts server.. and after looking in that directory
I dont see anything there either.. 

   Can you give me some ideas about if I needed to
download these or point them in the proper
directions.. 

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Re: Heeelp with XF86COnfig file

[Seneca]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 04:30:07AM -0800, Mark Banschbach wrote:
> Hi Peoplez
> 
>   I need a hand with configuring the X window.. I got
> the monitor and graphics cards set.. the problem seems
> to be the fonts.. the configuration file can not find
> the fonts server.. and after looking in that directory
> I dont see anything there either.. 
> 
>Can you give me some ideas about if I needed to
> download these or point them in the proper
> directions.. 

Have you installed xfonts-base yet?

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Disk Problems with kernel-image-2.4.19-686

[Andreas Weigl]

Hi

First of all, I'm new to this list and new to Debian. I had Suse before, but 
since i tried Debian, I like it more and more.

Here is my Problem. I've got a Maxdata Pro 710 X. I don't have any disk 
problems with kernel-image-2.4.18-686.
When I boot 2.4.19 the System hangs at Partition check and the disk-LED is on. 
I had the same Problem with SuSE 2.4.19 but it booted when I said ide=nodma. 
This does not work with the Debian Kernel.
The exact Message when booting 2.4.18 at this Point is:
Partition check:
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [PTBL] [4864/255/63] p1 p2 p3 < p5 p6 p7 >
When I boot 2.4.19 I onley get:
Partition check:
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:

The Disk is a Fujitsu MHR2040AT. Bios is Pheonix V4R6.1 R01-C0E.
lspci says my IDE interface is a Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M5229 IDE (rev 
c4)

I want 2.4.19 because the linux-wlan-ng modules are only available for 2.4.19.
Yes, I could compile it myself, but I want to make an apt-get update to get a 
new one, instead of compiling it myself again and again :)

Any suggestions?

Andi
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Re: Which laptop!!!

[Derek Broughton]

From: "Simon Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 04:53, Jim Richardson wrote:
> > Why steer clear of Dell? I have been quite happy with my Inspiron 8100.
>
> On the whole me too.
>
> Have had some problems with BIOS updates so my only suggestions is don;t
> unless you really need to.
>
> Otherwise their hardware is nice and standard so very compatible.

I don't think (though I'm willing to be corrected) that they have produced a
proper ACPI-compatible BIOS yet - and most of the newer machines don't support
apm.


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Re: e100 and hotplug on Thinkpad T23

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"Expert" == Expert User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Expert> I did some testing and found that the /sbin/hotplug is run
Expert> only when I do insmod e100 or rmmod e100, and not when I
Expert> plug or unplug the cable.

Right. Then you are simulating plugging a device, not a cable.

Cheers!
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Re: Which laptop!!!

[Eric S. Johansson]

Jim Richardson wrote:

Why steer clear of Dell? I have been quite happy with my Inspiron 8100. 

I'm of the same mind.  I'm very happy with my Dell Inspiron 5000 for 
hardware support.  Software support can't fog a mirror but other than 
that they're OK.

Personally, I will not purchase any laptop with "Mr. eraser head" for a 
pointing device.  Granted, my hands have been nuked from too many hours 
on the keyboard but those kind of pointing devices really aggravate my 
hands.  I also hate that they also put a dimple in the middle of your 
LCD screen.  Mr. eraser head is evil, evil, evil!

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Re: woody install on laptop

[Thomas_Kroener]

Hi milti...

On 14.11.2002 15:50 milti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> for the past couple of days, ive been trying
> to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
> sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
> and have not been able to get past the rescue
> disk:  the error that stands out is
> root fs not mounted
> i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
> fine before and actually was able to do some perl
> network programming before the upgrade bug
> bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
> anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
> at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
> installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
> netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
> as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??

The installation manual on debian.org in chapter 5.3 'Installing
from floppies' says:

Information on boot parameters which might be useful can
be found by pressing F4and F5. If you add any parameters
to the boot command line, be sure to type the boot method
(the default is linux) and a space before the first parameter
(e.g., linux floppy=thinkpad).

Might that be useful?

ciao Thomas


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Which laptop.....

[Iñaki Martínez]

Hi!!!

 I have read all of your answers...

 But what i need is something ULTRA-LIGHT!

 I am falling in love with:

http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P2

 More technical info:

http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_notebooks.shtml?products/notebooks/tech_specs/p2000_fall02_ts


 I think there is no problem to install Debian


 Another question: how good/bad is Crusoe processor???

 Debian and/or  Linux support?


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Re: Which laptop.....

[Lukas Ruf]

Hi,



On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, I?aki Mart?nez wrote:

> 
>  Debian and/or  Linux support?

have you already checked http://www.linux-laptop.org/ ?

I do not know if this has already been posted -- if so, pardon the
noise...

wbr,
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Re: woody install on laptop

[milti]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi milti...


guten tag, thomas,  wie geht's??



On 14.11.2002 15:50 milti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

for the past couple of days, ive been trying
to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
and have not been able to get past the rescue
disk:  the error that stands out is
   root fs not mounted
i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
fine before and actually was able to do some perl
network programming before the upgrade bug
bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??
   


The installation manual on debian.org in chapter 5.3 'Installing
from floppies' says:

Information on boot parameters which might be useful can
be found by pressing F4and F5. If you add any parameters
to the boot command line, be sure to type the boot method
(the default is linux) and a space before the first parameter
(e.g., linux floppy=thinkpad).

Might that be useful?

ciao Thomas


hmmm, i have read the function keys and no, nothing suggested there
worked or rather, what i saw suggested there didnt work.  what id like
to find out is, isnt the root fs during the install suppose to be the 
installed
memory??  and if so, how do i explicitly say that for the boot??  ive never
known this particular failure to happen during installation (and i have a
long history of linux install failure).  thats probably not the only 
question
i should have, but its the only one im conscious of to articulate.

still in need,

milti



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Re: Which laptop!!!

[Harald Arnesen]

"Eric S. Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Personally, I will not purchase any laptop with "Mr. eraser head" for
> a pointing device.  Granted, my hands have been nuked from too many
> hours on the keyboard but those kind of pointing devices really
> aggravate my hands.  I also hate that they also put a dimple in the
> middle of your LCD screen.  Mr. eraser head is evil, evil, evil!

That's a matter of taste. For me, it's the only acceptable pointing
device apart from a standard mouse. And I can't see a trace of it on my
screen. 

But only IBM's are really good, Toshibas not of the same standard at
all.

Touchpads are (for me) totally unusable, trackballs just a little
better.
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RE: X in Compaq Presario 900

[Fedor Karpelevitch]

sorry, I did not really understand - why did you have to bother with the
files and not just upgrade the package?

And so, you say that this radeon (is it really the same one as in presario
900?) works fine with 4.2.1, but not yet 4.1 ? From what I heard so far it
was only going to be supported in 4.3 or something... If that is right, it
is great news then!

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> -Original Message-
> From: Julien MARY [mailto:julien.mary@;free.fr]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: X in Compaq Presario 900
> 
> 
> 
>  What i have done is not totally clean but works very well. 
> (for evo n160 with Rage Mobility M6 Radeon)
> 
>  I have installed everything i need with version 4.1.0. Then 
> i have downloaded the same packages from the unstable part.
> 
>  Then i have used mc to visit the .deb files.
> And i have copied everything from mc.
> For the system, no dependencies are broken.
> It is believing that it is 4.1.0 but it is 4.2.1.
> And radeon works with 4.2.1
> 
> Now, i'm glad :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2002 01:49:22 +0100
> Vicente Aguilar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > El mié, 13-11-2002 a las 17:38, Mattia Dongili escribió:
> > 
> > > Radeons are supported with X > 4.1.99 :P
> > 
> > This particular one isn't. :-P
> > 
> > :)
> > 
> > These laptops ship with a new integrated chipset by ATI, 
> the IGP320M or
> > Radeon Mobility U1. A part of this chipset is the graphic 
> card, which
> > claims to be Radeon 7000 compatible but doesn't work with 
> XFree86 4.2.x
> > (even forcing drivers with ChipID, all you get is a garbled 
> screen). The
> > AGP bus, which is also part of the chipset, isn't supported by the
> > kernel either.
> > 
> > But both the framebuffer and X work with the VESA drivers.
> >  
> > -- 
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Re: woody install on laptop

[Shyamal Prasad]

milti> for the past couple of days, ive been trying to do a
milti> floppy/network install of woody on my sony picturebook (usb
milti> floppy/xircom netcard) and have not been able to get past
milti> the rescue disk: the error that stands out is

milti>root fs not mounted

The (Sony) USB floppy cannot be used with any of the Woody boot
images. Your BIOS boots from the floppy, but after that you are stuck
because it is only visible as a USB device. The bf2.4 image includes
the USB support as modules, but you need the USB floppy to get them
loaded into the kernel ;-) You are kind of stuck.

There are several patched boot/root disks that do include the USB
drivers you need in the kernel on the boot disk. 

For example you could try
http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~blochedu/usb-install/

Or follow the advice on
http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/~dhofer/sony_vaio_pcg-z505ls.html

I have the good fortune of having a Sony PCMCIA CD drive to go with my
N505VE so I have never tried the floppy method. I'm confident one of
these will work for you and you will not have to go out and build your
own boot kernel and disk.

BTW my Sony CD drive works as standard IDE drive in recovery mode if I
pass "ide1=0x180,0x386" when booting. I'm not sure this information is
going to help you, but it might.

And, oh yes, please do us the favor of not cross posting on Debian
lists! 

Cheers!
Shyamal


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Re: Sony Vaio EEPROM, testers wanted

[Jean Delvare]

> You then need to install the lm-sensors packages. For stable and
> testing, you'll need an additional program, i2cdetect (it is included
> in the unstable lm-sensors package). Just get it from here:
> http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/cvs/browse.cgi/lm_sensors2/prog/detect/i2cdetect.c
> And compile it with:
> gcc -Wall -O2 i2cdetect.c -o i2cdetect

Christian Gennerat noticed that you actually can't compile from the file
directly, because the webcvs numbers the lines. Either remove the line
numbers with perl:
perl -pi -e 's/^...//;' i2cdetect.c
Or get the original source from here:
http://www.ensicaen.ismra.fr/~delvare/vaio/i2cdetect.c

Sorry for not thinking about this problem at first.

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Fax & Nokia Cardphone 2.0

[Maximilian Pascher]

Hi!

Is there anybody out there who has experiences with faxing over a Nokia 
Cardphone?
When I try efax on my cardphone device I'm told that it doesn't support fax... 

cheers

Max

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Re: using an external USB CD to install woody (was: woody install on laptop)

[Michael Leone]

Shyamal Prasad said:
>
> milti> for the past couple of days, ive been trying to do a
> milti> floppy/network install of woody on my sony picturebook (usb
> milti> floppy/xircom netcard) and have not been able to get past
> milti> the rescue disk: the error that stands out is
>
> milti>root fs not mounted
>
> The (Sony) USB floppy cannot be used with any of the Woody boot
> images. Your BIOS boots from the floppy, but after that you are stuck
> because it is only visible as a USB device. The bf2.4 image includes the
> USB support as modules, but you need the USB floppy to get them loaded
> into the kernel ;-) You are kind of stuck.

Hmm. That's useful to know. How about this .. I have a friend who has an
IBM ThinkPad with a broken internal CD-ROM, but a working floppy .
However, she has an external USB CD-RW. Since the woody install diskettes
include USB support as modules, can I use this external USB CD drive to
install woody on her laptop (after booting with the boot/root floppies, of
course)? Or will I need to go thru the whole install using only diskettes,
and then have it recognize the CD only after the reboot?

The last time I installed Debian not from a booting CD was potato, a long
time back. :-)

>
> There are several patched boot/root disks that do include the USB
> drivers you need in the kernel on the boot disk.
>
> For example you could try
> http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~blochedu/usb-install/
>
> Or follow the advice on
> http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/~dhofer/sony_vaio_pcg-z505ls.html


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Re: X in Compaq Presario 900

[Julien MARY]

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:50:16 -0800
Fedor Karpelevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> sorry, I did not really understand - 
>why did you have to bother with the
> files and not just upgrade the package?

Because to upgrade the package needs to use 
some packages of the unstable part. Like libc6 
and maybe many others. This has prevented me 
to break some dependencies.

> 
> And so, you say that this radeon (is it really the 
>same one as in presario 900?) works fine with 4.2.1,
> but not yet 4.1 ? From what I heard so far it
> was only going to be supported in 4.3 or something...
> If that is right, it is great news then!
> 

This is what lspci is saying to me : 
VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY

So this one is working with 4.2.1



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> 
> 
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>   -- Elliot, "E.T."
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Julien MARY [mailto:julien.mary@;free.fr]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 6:43 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: X in Compaq Presario 900
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  What i have done is not totally clean but works very well. 
> > (for evo n160 with Rage Mobility M6 Radeon)
> > 
> >  I have installed everything i need with version 4.1.0. Then 
> > i have downloaded the same packages from the unstable part.
> > 
> >  Then i have used mc to visit the .deb files.
> > And i have copied everything from mc.
> > For the system, no dependencies are broken.
> > It is believing that it is 4.1.0 but it is 4.2.1.
> > And radeon works with 4.2.1
> > 
> > Now, i'm glad :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 14 Nov 2002 01:49:22 +0100
> > Vicente Aguilar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > El mié, 13-11-2002 a las 17:38, Mattia Dongili escribió:
> > > 
> > > > Radeons are supported with X > 4.1.99 :P
> > > 
> > > This particular one isn't. :-P
> > > 
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > These laptops ship with a new integrated chipset by ATI, 
> > the IGP320M or
> > > Radeon Mobility U1. A part of this chipset is the graphic 
> > card, which
> > > claims to be Radeon 7000 compatible but doesn't work with 
> > XFree86 4.2.x
> > > (even forcing drivers with ChipID, all you get is a garbled 
> > screen). The
> > > AGP bus, which is also part of the chipset, isn't supported by the
> > > kernel either.
> > > 
> > > But both the framebuffer and X work with the VESA drivers.
> > >  
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Re: Older Laptops...

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 03:21:11PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I am looking for some (8-20) older Laptops for some friends in 
> Turkey, Kurdistan, Iran and Syria. 
> 
> They must have minimum a 486dx4/100, 16 MB of Ram, 540 MB HD, 
> Floppy, CD-Rom and PCMCIA for 3c589D-Combo LAN-Cards. The Screen 
> resolution is OK wit 800x600/256. 
> 
> I like to run X, balsa, mozilla, lyx and hylafax (ore something 
> like this : GUI-Sugestions ???) 
> 
> Question:   Is there a list, which OLDER LAPTOPS are working 
> properly with Debian/GNU-Linux 2.1 Slink (2.0.38). 
> 
> Thamks in Advance
> Michelle Konzack

Those apps you wanted would work fine in Potato, too.

In fact, I think you really don't want Slink's copy of Mozilla; it
barely worked back then.  16 MB is a tight fit for it, anyway; you need
javascript, or you just need to be able to generally surf?
(The junior-internet task installs both mozilla and dillo, to offer 
either direction.)

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Re: Thinkpad 770ED, Debian Sarge, new XFree 4.2.1

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 05:00:41PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:
> 
> > and: 
> > HorizSync 28-49
> > VertRefresh 43-72
> > 
> > to:
> > HorizSync 30-70
> > VertRefresh 50-90
> 
> BTW, as far as I know, laptop screens don't care about sync and refresh
> at all.

What's going to matter most is your dotclock... which strictly speaking 
is a characteristic of your videocard, but apparently really is
something about how it talks to the LCD.

Dealt with one machine that you could give any ol' insane values to as long
as its modelines had 65.15 dotclock (or within about .5 of that). Not
sure who the LCD manufacturer was, but the video card was something in
the ATI family.

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Re: Thinkpad 770ED, Debian Sarge, new XFree 4.2.1

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 03:59:43PM -0500, Darin Strait wrote:
> > Is your kernel framebuffer-enabled? (when you boot do you see a little
> > penguin in the top left corner?)
> There is no penguin. I should be running a stock kernel. I've fiddled
> with compiling kernels, but I've never actually taken the last step and 
> installed one. I'm new.

That's perfectly fine;  I just wanted to know what kernel I'm dealing
with.  You get to be my eyes and hands :) 

> > curious you're not seeing the same menus Jeremy is;  try reconfiguring 
> > debconf itself, to show you the questions every time instead of hide the
> > ones you answered already.
> OK, I've reconfigured debconf and I will xserver-xfree86 a shot after
> undocking. 

cool 

> I've got the laptop docked right now, and I'm using my ancient 3dfx PCI
> card instead of the built-in trident card. The 3dfx card seems happy
> using it's old, unmodified 4.1 XF86Config-4 file. I don't dock much when
> running linux and I've never bothered to fully debugg this
> configuration, so the mouse is skips around sometimes 

Possibly wrong mouse type declared in the pointer section?  Hmm.
Perhaps a gpm-vs.-X problem, or a gpm-vs.X solution.

Since you're new I'll explain;  gpm invokes mouse services for console
mode, and is *supposed* to give over and not touch anything when you're
on the GUI.  In practice its good behavior varies;  but sometimes, the
only way to get a mouse to settle down in X is to load up gpm, telling 
gpm.conf to repeat mouse signals into /dev/gpmdata.  Then tell X to get
its mouse at /dev/gpmdata, and make its mousetype whatever gpm is
repeating as, and voila.  Good behavior.

Mostly bonking-head-on-the-wall for tech support on mice troubles,
unless you know this trick.

> and I need to pick
> a different video mode since 1280x1024x32 is flickery at 60Hz. It would
> also be keen if I could use one XF86Config file for docked and undocked
> operations. That's for another day.

You can have as many Monitor sections as you want.  There's options to 
declare one as internal and another as external, which works for many 
people to get that result.

The hsync/vrefresh may not matter to your LCD panel, but they'll matter
to a desktop monitor... unless, perhaps, it's an LCD monitor.
 
> One quick aside: How does X figure out which refresh rate to use? I see
> where I specify a range of refresh rates for the monitor. Does X lok at
> the range that I give for the monitor, then figure out what the highest
> refresh inside of that range is and use that?
 
There's a package called read-edid that will ask the ittybitty little
"plug and pray" brain inside a monitor what it likes best;  I think the
normal X servers try to use similar logic, but since it's a different 
code base, sometimes the results are different.

I suspect X usually uses the VESA declared modes, and if those aren't a
terribly good match it cannot tell, as long as the monitor doesn't give 
an out-of-range complaint.

It will drop modelines that fall out of your declared hsync and vrefresh
ranges, though.

> > Do you still have a copy of the XF86COnfig file from before the upgrade
> > got to it?  Maybe it says how much vidram you really do have.
> I still have the old XF86Config file. I don't see any mention of "RAM"
> or "memory" in it.

Then the old defaults probably worked okay ... which might have been
2MB.  Hmmm.

> If you tell me what section or option to look for, I
> will spelunk some some. Windows 2000 insists the card has 4 MB.

Good.  Then you should be able to declare in the "Devices" section

VideoRam4096

In theory this is supposed to be autoprobed for, but on older systems
it speeds things up to say it explicitly, so I think it can't hurt.
 
> Another observation is that the color insanity is the worst in 24 bit,
> is slightly less insane in 16 bit and 8 bit seems almost OK (or maybe
> that's just the way 8 bit looks, I haven't run such a system for a very
> long time.)
 
If the crappy gradient are actually grades of nearby colors (e.g. couple
of blues, some cyans and grays interspersed, then greens) then yeah, 8
bit is probably being normal.  If they're spectral rainbows for such
nearby color efforts, no, probably not.

I wonder, perhaps you can learn from Windows what it using for monitor 
characteristics?  Not that I expect it to say, mind you - they're
notorious for calling this a "monitor driver" when it's justa few
numbers somewhere - but it can't hurt to look at Control Panels/ System/
System Devices/ Monitor/ Properties.  (may also be accessible from
Control Panel/Display hidden among things)

> thanks,
> -d

Crossing my fingers for you :)


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Re: Thinkpad 770ED, Debian Sarge, new XFree 4.2.1

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 01:16:51PM -0800, Fedor Karpelevitch wrote:
> To the original poster:
> 
> I wonder if the videocard you have is a trident. If it is then I had the
> same problem as yo, but on a desktop. I had this problem with some earlier
> versions of xfree (probably 4.0) and then it went away in 4.1, but is back
> in 4.2; all you have to do is to download .deb from here:
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xserver-xfree86.html
> 
> then do 'dpkg -i xserver-xfree86.deb' and then put package
> xserver-xfree86 on hold so it does not get upgraded again. That's all.

If you haev a deb source (list in /etc/apt/sources.list) pointing at
that one only, you should be able to do it and its companion parts with

apt-get --force-reinstall install xserver-xfree86 xlibs

(I suspect some of the others in that "kit" may be okay, but you may 
have to reinstall the apps from the same version number.  Luckily they
are pretty much next to each other in an aptitude listing, or will 
express their complaints to a commandline apt-get.)

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Re: after "apt-get upgrade" did an ooops on keymap ( OT)

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 04:16:20PM -0500, Seneca wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 11:54:27AM -0600, suleyman wrote:
> > Any direction would be appreciated.
> > I did an apt-get update, then upgrade,something to do with console and
> > keymap was upgraded. I wasnt able to pick a keymap and now wont reboot
> > until I figure out how to go back and configure keymap to load proper
> > keymap.
> 
> Try "install-keymap $MAP" where $MAP is the name of the desired keymap
> to change the boottime keymap. Use loadkeys to change the current keymap
> (does not change boottime keymap).

Yes... and if the current keymap has your keys all in strange places, at
least tab is usually in the same place, and you can abuse tab-completion
at the commandline a bit ...

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Re: e100 and hotplug on Thinkpad T23

[Heather Stern]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 08:59:55PM -0600, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> "Expert" == Expert User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Expert> In /etc/hotplug/net.agent file there are appropriate
> Expert> entries for ifup & ifdown.  # cat /etc/sys/kernel/hotplug
> Expert> shows '/sbin/hotplug'.

I believe this is for blades in RAID-servers and other hardware that
can be yanked out while powered, much like pc-cards.  The hardware
in such devices knows how to signal a state change, and 'htoplug' is
a move towards getting them all centered around one codebase.

It'd be a closer call to wonder if it would help my cd-burner trouble -
that is, an atapi/pcmcia cd-rw which once its modules are unloaded, 
will never burn again until rebooted even if the modules reload - 
than to think it'd work on just a cord being pulled.  My ATAPI card
knows how to signal its status - or more accurately pcmcia signals
its absence and presence - a cord doesn't.

The best you get is "link beat lost" from the ethernet driver.

> Expert> BUT, removing & inserting the cable, does not have the
> Expert> desired effect of running ifup & ifdown on eth0.

Perhaps you want to follow the model found in the masqdialer software;
while obviously designed for a modem link going dead on it, it does 
have other means to try and guess that it's become detached, so that
it won't send mail into deep space.

If they don't already have something to go and look, you can make one
(and maybe submit it to update the package).  But I think you can have
it trigger other events too, so it can become your pcmcia/event.d/
equivalent.

Lemme know if it helps, I've never had to do it that way :)

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Re: Disk Problems with kernel-image-2.4.19-686

[Heather Stern]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:45:54PM +0100, Andreas Weigl wrote:
> Hi
> 
> First of all, I'm new to this list and new to Debian. I had Suse before, but 
> since i tried Debian, I like it more and more.

:)  I too, use both, and my laptops have been debian-only for awhile.
> I had the same Problem with SuSE 2.4.19 but it booted when I said ide=nodma. 
> This does not work with the Debian Kernel.

. . . snip . . . 

> I want 2.4.19 because the linux-wlan-ng modules are only available for 2.4.19.
> Yes, I could compile it myself, but I want to make an apt-get update to get a 
> new one, instead of compiling it myself again and again :)
> 
> Any suggestions?

SuSE offers the config file with the options that they mark;  Debian
offers kernel-package, to create "standard style" kernel-image packages
that meet your real environment.  

So with a copy of SuSE's 2.4.x config file to hand, you should be able
to make your own .deb that is similar enough to not crash, and maybe be
leaner in other respects, but that will also accept loose 2.4.19 family
modules via apt-get.

Give yourself a flavour of "local" or the name of your laptop, instead
of "386" or "k7" etc. and you'll be able to tell the normal images from
your own.  It's nice to apt-get new bits, not so nice when they get
themselves by accident.  (Yes, I know about Hold.  Trust me on this -
you don't want to depend on only that to save a kernel from overwrite.
Do it anyway, but take no chances.)


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Re: e100 and hotplug on Thinkpad T23

[Expert User]

> If they don't already have something to go and look, you can make one
> (and maybe submit it to update the package).  But I think you can have
> it trigger other events too, so it can become your pcmcia/event.d/
> equivalent.
> 
How do I make the cable plug/unplug trigger an event?



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Re: Which laptop.....

[Heather Stern]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 04:02:46PM +0100, I?aki Mart?nez wrote:
> Hi!!!
>  Another question: how good/bad is Crusoe processor???
 
Must be tasty, it's got two major competitors in teh tablet market and
it's still on the charts at all.

>  Debian and/or  Linux support?
 
Pretends to be a PC.  No noisy fan.   This fellow did alright with
Potato;  it's probably easier nowadays:

   Linkname: Linux on the Fujitsu LifeBook P2020
   URL:
   http://linuxonlaptops.sourceforge.net/brand/Fujitsu/model/LIFEBOOK_P-2020/

Enjoy


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RE: Mouse on a dell Latitude C640

[Ori Weisberg]

I installed tpconfig, but tpconfig seems to have some
errors.

The output of tpconfig -i is:

Found Synaptics Touchpad
Firmware: 5.9 (single-byte mode).
Sensor type: unknown (27).
Geometry: rectangular/landscape/down.
tpconfig: synaptics.c:332: query_modes: Assertion 'b1
== 0x3B' failed.
Aborted

Any suggestions?
Thanks, Ori


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> Try the package tpconfig to configure your
> touchpad...
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ori Weisberg [mailto:oriweis@;yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:38 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Mouse on a dell Latitude C640
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I have a dell Latitude C640,
> > and running kernel 2.4.18 with XF86 4.2.1
> > 
> > The laptop has both a touchpad and the tracking
> stick
> > as built-in tracking device. My problem seems to
> be in
> > how these respond. The touchpad seems very
> sensitive,
> > it will do stuff even though i am not touching it.
> In
> > addition, the regular mouse buttons do not always
> > respond to clicking.
> > 
> > in XF86Config-4 
> > the protocol is set to "PS/2" and
> > the device to "/dev/psaux"
> > 
> > 
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated :-)
> > Ori
> > 
> > 
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Re: using an external USB CD to install woody (was: woody install on laptop)

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Michael" == Michael Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Michael> Hmm. That's useful to know. How about this .. I have a
Michael> friend who has an IBM ThinkPad with a broken internal
Michael> CD-ROM, but a working floppy .  However, she has an
Michael> external USB CD-RW. Since the woody install diskettes
Michael> include USB support as modules, can I use this external
Michael> USB CD drive to install woody on her laptop (after
Michael> booting with the boot/root floppies, of course)? Or will
Michael> I need to go thru the whole install using only diskettes,
Michael> and then have it recognize the CD only after the reboot?

Michael> The last time I installed Debian not from a booting CD
Michael> was potato, a long time back. :-)

It should work, but don't trust me on this since I have not done
it. The bf2.4 boot set (6 floppies) have the USB and SCSI modules you
should need to do this, and a little bit of modconf/modprobe and USB
knowledge should get your CD-ROM working. I'd certainly give it shot.

Cheers!
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Libretto for sale

[Paul Nendick]

I'm selling a loaded Libretto with current Debian already
installed and working on it.  If interested, please see:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2070714508&rd=1

Cheers,

/p

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USD CD-RW

[Michel Hardy-Vallée]

Hi! 

I'd like to know if any of you could recommend a good external USB CD-RW
known to work correctly with Woody. The usb-linux page shows these
device as being in experimental support, but are they usable to read &
burn CD-ROM/CD-R/CD-RW ?

Regards

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RE: Libretto for sale

[Joyce, Matthew]

I used to have this model, I really enjoyed using it.

Especially the screen mounted thumpad / finger buttons, I've never seen that
design since and I'm supprised.

But at 166mhz...well, it's a shame they don't make faster ones, I expect
it's to do with cpu speeds / power / heat or something.

Anyway, fond memories.

Matt


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> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 2:39 PM
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> Subject: Libretto for sale
> 
> 
> I'm selling a loaded Libretto with current Debian already 
> installed and working on it.  If interested, please see:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2070714508&rd=1
> 
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> 
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RE: Libretto for sale

[Paul Nendick]

Even at 166MHz, I've found it remarkably useful.  It compares
quite favorably to most PDA's and palmtop without sacrificing
the felxibility of a full PC.

Cheers,

/p
--- "Joyce, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I used to have this model, I really enjoyed using it.
> 
> Especially the screen mounted thumpad / finger buttons, I've
> never seen that
> design since and I'm supprised.
> 
> But at 166mhz...well, it's a shame they don't make faster
> ones, I expect
> it's to do with cpu speeds / power / heat or something.
> 
> Anyway, fond memories.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 2:39 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Libretto for sale
> > 
> > 
> > I'm selling a loaded Libretto with current Debian already 
> > installed and working on it.  If interested, please see:
> > 
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2070714508&rd=1
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> > 
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Re: e100 and hotplug on Thinkpad T23

[Dave Thayer]

On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 03:27:43PM -0800, Expert User wrote:
> > If they don't already have something to go and look, you can make one
> > (and maybe submit it to update the package).  But I think you can have
> > it trigger other events too, so it can become your pcmcia/event.d/
> > equivalent.
> > 
> How do I make the cable plug/unplug trigger an event?

If you don't mind dipping into testing/unstable...

$ apt-cache show ifplugd 
Package: ifplugd
Priority: optional
Section: net
Installed-Size: 144
Maintainer: Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Version: 0.9-2
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1)
Recommends: ifupdown
Filename: pool/main/i/ifplugd/ifplugd_0.9-2_i386.deb
Size: 20642
MD5sum: a78ebda25590f48fa32bfc4a0ff45f31
Description: A configuration daemon for ethernet devices
 ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your
 ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically
 unconfigure it if the cable is pulled. This is useful on laptops with
 onboard network adapters, since it will only configure the interface
 when a cable is really connected.
 
should do everything you want.

HTH

dt

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Re: woody install on laptop

[milti]

milti wrote:


hello,

for the past couple of days, ive been trying
to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
and have not been able to get past the rescue
disk:  the error that stands out is

   root fs not mounted

i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
fine before and actually was able to do some perl
network programming before the upgrade bug
bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??






ive been trying this some more and the problem seems to
be the usb floppy drive.  is there anyone who has had this
problem and knows how to surmount it??

milti



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woody install on laptop

[milti]

hello,

for the past couple of days, ive been trying
to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
and have not been able to get past the rescue
disk:  the error that stands out is

   root fs not mounted

i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
fine before and actually was able to do some perl
network programming before the upgrade bug
bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??




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Re: woody install on laptop

[milti]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   

Information on boot parameters which might be useful can
be found by pressing F4and F5. If you add any parameters
to the boot command line, be sure to type the boot method
(the default is linux) and a space before the first parameter
(e.g., linux floppy=thinkpad).
Might that be useful?
ciao Thomas
 

hmmm, i have read the function keys and no, nothing suggested there
worked or rather, what i saw suggested there didnt work.  what id like
to find out is, isnt the root fs during the install suppose to be the
installed
memory??  and if so, how do i explicitly say that for the boot??  ive
   

never
 

known this particular failure to happen during installation (and i have a
long history of linux install failure).  thats probably not the only
question
i should have, but its the only one im conscious of to articulate.
   


So where does your installation exactly fail? Already when you try to
boot from your usb floppy?

 


it fails after the linux.bin has been decompressed and it probes the system
to see what hardware is available.  as the messages fly up down the screen,
it looks (from my familiarity of watching potato boot) that it does 
identify pretty
much everything that i have attached.  it seems to complete as it does 
request
that the root.bin floppy be inserted.  however, when i do insert the 
second floppy
it is never recognised and that is when i see the message repeated: root 
fs is
not mounted.

so, i guess, the answer to your question is that it does everything that 
its supposed
to except mount a valid root fs.  as a note, i will say that when i did 
have the potato
installlation available (it is now gone), if i said root=/dev/hda1, it 
would mount that
filesystem and finish the boot (although, it would not recognise my 
network card).

now that i have reinstalled windows to my machine, is there anyway i can 
boot linux.bin
from it and then continue with a network install (as well as 
re-partitioning the hard drive
usw)??

vielen danken,

milti


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Re: woody install on laptop

[cyn]

Yes, this has come up before - check the archives of debian-boot and
debian-laptop mailing lists (debian user might not hurt, but those two
discuss it more).

I've never done it personally - I installed from base packages on a
dos partition when I had my libretto (funky floppy disk, pcmcia -
supported after some work once installed but never got installation to
like it) and installed from cdrom with my sony.

Two options you may not have considered - one, you can base install on a
desktop by removing the hard drive.  This has the advantage of merely a
$3-6 adapter cable for the laptop HD, and you gain the full power of your
desktop for setting everything up (cdrom, processor, etc.).

Another, is doing the same thing, but putting the base files on the hard
drive in a small partition (which you can later use as swap, or just as a
spare partition)  This can be done either with lots of floppies and a
small DOS partition, or with the hard disk method outlined above.

I believe the first floppy disk does work - as linux isn't loaded yet so
it's still using the disk through the bios's native mode, correct?  That
being the case you can get far enough into the install to  point it at the
base files for the rest of it.  Hmmm you will however need  a smaller, or
older, debian boot disk for this - I believe the earlier 2.2's would
allow you to get far enough to do this, but current ones don't.  Someone
with more experience rolling floppys could advice you on this - but at
this point I think it's probably more effort than researching the usb
floppy issue.

and of course there's parallel and serial installs as always, yow.  I
prefer the HD method because it gives you a cdrom and a local HD for
plenty of speed.

-Martin N.

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, milti wrote:

> milti wrote:
>
> > hello,
> >
> > for the past couple of days, ive been trying
> > to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
> > sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
> > and have not been able to get past the rescue
> > disk:  the error that stands out is
> >
> >root fs not mounted
> >
> > i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
> > fine before and actually was able to do some perl
> > network programming before the upgrade bug
> > bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
> > anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
> > at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
> > installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
> > netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
> > as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ive been trying this some more and the problem seems to
> be the usb floppy drive.  is there anyone who has had this
> problem and knows how to surmount it??
>
> milti
>
>
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Re: woody install on laptop

[milti]

cyn wrote:


Yes, this has come up before - check the archives of debian-boot and
debian-laptop mailing lists (debian user might not hurt, but those two
discuss it more).

I've never done it personally - I installed from base packages on a
dos partition when I had my libretto (funky floppy disk, pcmcia -
supported after some work once installed but never got installation to
like it) and installed from cdrom with my sony.

Two options you may not have considered - one, you can base install on a
desktop by removing the hard drive.  This has the advantage of merely a
$3-6 adapter cable for the laptop HD, and you gain the full power of your
desktop for setting everything up (cdrom, processor, etc.).

Another, is doing the same thing, but putting the base files on the hard
drive in a small partition (which you can later use as swap, or just as a
spare partition)  This can be done either with lots of floppies and a
small DOS partition, or with the hard disk method outlined above.

I believe the first floppy disk does work - as linux isn't loaded yet so
it's still using the disk through the bios's native mode, correct?  That
being the case you can get far enough into the install to  point it at the
base files for the rest of it.  Hmmm you will however need  a smaller, or
older, debian boot disk for this - I believe the earlier 2.2's would
allow you to get far enough to do this, but current ones don't.  Someone
with more experience rolling floppys could advice you on this - but at
this point I think it's probably more effort than researching the usb
floppy issue.

and of course there's parallel and serial installs as always, yow.  I
prefer the HD method because it gives you a cdrom and a local HD for
plenty of speed.

-Martin N.

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, milti wrote:

 

milti wrote:

   

hello,

for the past couple of days, ive been trying
to do a floppy/network install of woody on my
sony picturebook (usb floppy/xircom netcard)
and have not been able to get past the rescue
disk:  the error that stands out is

  root fs not mounted

i had potato installed (via pcmcia cd drive) just
fine before and actually was able to do some perl
network programming before the upgrade bug
bit me, so i know debian works fine on my pc.  does
anyone have any ideas as to what i need to say
at the boot prompt??  id like to finally get my picturebook
installed with the minimal windows/full debian/full netbsd.
netbsd installed like a dream.  but id like to try woody
as well.  how to get past the rescue floppy??




 

ive been trying this some more and the problem seems to
be the usb floppy drive.  is there anyone who has had this
problem and knows how to surmount it??

milti



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i am exploring the boot from hard drive option at the moment,
but cannot boot to a dos prompt with my picturebook: i get thrown
into safe windows mode and havent figured out how to just get
a dos prompt.  i will check the archives (my potato came from a
cdrom install that went like a dream once i figured out how to
keep the address for the cdrom in memory).  cant use that again
because the boot cd cracked (of course, it would be the boot cd)
and no one i know with a cd-writer knows how to create a iso image
of that cd.

unfortunately, archives checks have not served me well in the past.
the answers are often outdated or do not fit my predicament exactly.
and it is frustrating to read manuals that leave out the one crucial
piece of information that is needed, eg, present predicament: everything
ive tried now has thrown me into *safe* windows mode and not the elusive
dos prompt for which i search, even though, the online windows 
documentation
tells me that what im doing should NOT boot windows.  sigh.  

i continue on my quest.

milti


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Re: woody install on laptop

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* milti [Thu, Nov 14 2002, 12:14:52PM]:

> ive been trying this some more and the problem seems to
> be the usb floppy drive.  is there anyone who has had this
> problem and knows how to surmount it??

For USB installs, visit
http://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~blochedu/usb-install/

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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