Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
> "Chris" == Chris Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> For mass installs, just make a standard issue CD, boot from that CD, and Chris> copy over the OS. Or you could even make a disk image and dd it onto the Chris> hard drive. That assumes you have the same hard drive in all the machines. Chris> You can turn a 20GB drive into a 10GB drive. :) But even if you have 4 or 5 Chris> different hard drives in your organization, using disk images will still Chris> save you tons of time. Thats what we do at GE, if somebody has a funky Chris> problem with their machine, we don't reinstall Windows and all the apps, we Chris> just reimage the hard disk. It's much better to `cfdisk', `mkswap', `mke2fs' the drive, then use `cpio' to copy the filesystems. See my other message for more detail. This works even when the drives are not the same size, and when the partitioning structure is different. You can run the `cpio' across the net too, afaik. (I know it works over NFS.) -- Those who do not study Lisp are doomed to reimplement it - Poorly. A few months in the laboratory often saves several hours at the library. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom)
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
> "Steve" == Steve Morocho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> I agree, rpm is not a piece of crap. deb packages are a Steve> lot harder to create for the novice users. There is not Steve> much documentation to help in this area either. Also, when Steve> updates are released .debs are usually the last to be Steve> released (because someone usually has to hack an .rpm or Steve> something similar) When security is an issue, .rpms are Steve> usually quicker to be released and thus should never be Steve> discounted. It is fast becoming the standard package Steve> system in the industry. Point to ponder: Are these really statements of fact, or are they just marketeering claims from "press releases"? -- Those who do not study Lisp are doomed to reimplement it - Poorly. A few months in the laboratory often saves several hours at the library. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom)
Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
[...] KMH> The best way to do that that I've found so far is to set up KMH> a box with two removable hard drive racks, install and KMH> _configure_ everything on one drive, then use `cfdisk', KMH> `mkswap', and `mke2fs' to partition and format the second KMH> drive. [...] I do a possibly non-kosher thing similar to the above. I tar everything up once it is set up and stick the tar file[s] into a SCSI drive. I have a box that boots from this SCSI drive and has IDE drawers and a kernel with IDE support built as modules. I then hot-swap IDE drives, sfdisk, mke2fs, mount and un-tar without bringing down the machine. Insmoding the ide modules after switching the drives on and rmmoding before removing them seems to work fine. Never lost a drive yet, but the largest drives I worked with under this scheme were 4.3G. With the newer/larger drives, you'd probably need to make sure LILO and the BIOS agree on a geometry for the drive to be actually bootable (dunno the incantation for that yet!). cheers, BM
Re: Logging a POP3 session
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Chris Wagner wrote: > CuCiPOP tells you how many messages were downloaded by default. :) With Qpopper, you need to use the '-s' command line switch to log statistics at the daemon.notice level. --- Gerard MacNeil, P. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED] System Administrator Supercity Internet Services http://www.supercity.ns.ca
where to find web browser statistics information?
Hi! I need information about user agents used for surfing WWW (especially lynx). Where I can find it? I searched yahoo, and all pages with stats that are reachable from that search results page are either old or meaningless or are for very specific sites (like universities). Is there any integrated stats or stats for some general-purpose sites, that are not older than several monthes? TIA Best regards, -Vlad
Re: Transfer data between two comps without network
> I've used schemes such as piping data across an SSH process to achieve > this without having to encrypt the files on disk. In fact, that's how our That was the original scheme, but bosses hmmm, after some consultations said that we should transfer data on cd-roms with armed guardian. so now we've got problems, and deadlines haven't changed although we had no idea of those security issues to be resolved.
Re: where to find web browser statistics information?
Hi, On Thu, 18 May 2000, Vlad Harchev wrote: > Hi! > > I need information about user agents used for surfing WWW (especially lynx). > Where I can find it? I searched yahoo, and all pages with stats that are > reachable from that search results page are either old or meaningless or are > for very specific sites (like universities). Is there any integrated stats or > stats for some general-purpose sites, that are not older than several monthes? > Take a look at www.browserwatch.com regards Torsten > TIA > > Best regards, > -Vlad > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Media Online Internet Services & Marketing GmbH Torsten Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED] fon: 49-231-5575100fax: 49-231-55751098 Ruhrallee 39 D-44137 Dortmund
Re: Transfer data between two comps without network
> Assuming you are worried by people with promiscuous ethernet cards, > packet-sniffing. Put in a second NIC, run a crossover UTP? I assume the .. encrypting would solve that problem. or private network between two comps. And - if I could connect those two comps by some network daily data transfer would rapidly go down - 100, 1000times less. problem is - machine with source data contains security-sensitive information, which my employee wants to be physically separated from network. > think PLIP will take kindly to 50G a day, though. You did say 50G, not 50M, > right ;-) right :)
Re: Transfer data between two comps without network
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: > > > Assuming you are worried by people with promiscuous ethernet cards, > > packet-sniffing. Put in a second NIC, run a crossover UTP? I assume the > .. encrypting would solve that problem. or private network between two > comps. > And - if I could connect those two comps by some network daily data > transfer would rapidly go down - 100, 1000times less. > problem is - machine with source data contains security-sensitive > information, which my employee wants to be physically separated from > network. I think you can install NIC into machine with data (call it machine A), place another machine with large hdd with NIC in it near the source machine A (call it machine B), connect them using crosswired UTP, download data to machine B, disconnect UTP, carry machine B to destination machine (call it machine C) , and transfer the data to it using crosswired UTP too. For sure, you can format hdd on machine B before connecting it to machine A again and boot machine B from CD, so all trojans will be definitely killed:) Just think about machine B as a hot-swap HDD in a big cover :) Best regards, -Vlad
Re: where to find web browser statistics information?
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Torsten Krueger wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Vlad Harchev wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I need information about user agents used for surfing WWW (especially > > lynx). > > Where I can find it? I searched yahoo, and all pages with stats that are > > reachable from that search results page are either old or meaningless or are > > for very specific sites (like universities). Is there any integrated stats > > or > > stats for some general-purpose sites, that are not older than several > > monthes? > > > > Take a look at www.browserwatch.com Hi, Thanks for the URL. I visited this site before, but stats on this site are on browsers that visit that site, and this is not general-purpose site since it's visited by technically educated people like magazine article writers (but anyway the share of lynx will be lower on general-purpose sites). >[...] Thanks and best regards, -Vlad
ORBS not blocking, but logged in headers
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 11:03:19AM +, Russell Coker wrote:
> Also Qmail is lacking in functionality when compared to Postfix, Sendmail, or
> probably any other Unix mail server. Qmail is fast and reliable, it's good
> for installing for one of those clients who is expected to stuff up Postfix
> config files.
>
> For a serious server system it will rapidly become annoying for the
> administrator because it just won't do the things you want.
>
> Try spam blocking (both ORBs and header filtering) and address re-writing for
> two things that Qmail falls down on.
Actually, I'd really want to know how to configure Postfix to
add a header for each blocking service checked:
X-Maybe-Spam-RBL: [the text from the TXT record here]
X-Maybe-Spam-ORBS: [the text from the TXT record here]
X-Maybe-Spam-DUL: [the text from the TXT record here]
With qmail, which is what I have done a lot and know well,
that'd be easy due to the modular nature. With postfix,
I stare at the documentation and see nothing that fits,
and can't see the building blocks to implement that myself.
Please tell me how to do it.
> I doubt that Qmail is any more secure than Postfix. I doubt that it is any
> faster.
Well, postfix has had security bugs, qmail hasn't.
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RE: Transfer data between two comps without network
You could add a seperate network link between the two endpoints... With that kind of data requirements Gig Ethernet might be a good choice. You could also use SSL for the network transport in order to encrypt the data to make it more secure. DVD-RAM is nicer than ZIP as far as storage space goes.. Bill Suetholz On 17-May-00 Dariush Pietrzak wrote: > Welcome, > my problem is that I have to transfer large amount of data (20~50 Gigs) > daily. > And it can't be done via network due to 'secret' nature of that data. > I considered IDE disk put in hot-swap bay, but I found that's not the > best way to do that: > i got system on scsi disc, compiled ide-disk support as module > and when I want to remove ide-disc i unmount it, rmmod the module > then swap the discs, modprobe ide-disk, mount it. > That scheme works ... but sometimes it fails.. and when it fails I have > to reboot the system to be able to mount ide disc. that situation > is unacceptable. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on this? > (data should be moved via some physical way, not using network as that's > what bossess fear the most, zip drives could be nice, but they > B are too small, streamers seems to be to slow ) > > regards, > Dariush Pietrzak >
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
Previously Chip Salzenberg wrote: > Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious > technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and > post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades. I wouldn't call it nonsensical, but the way dpkg does it is definitely more robust. I need to take another close look at how rpm and dpkg differ in this respect anyway, so if people are interested in the little details I might be willing to write a little comparison about it.. Wichert. -- _ / Generally uninteresting signature - ignore at your convenience \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | pgpeLvM0N237y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
Steve Morocho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : | I agree, rpm is not a piece of crap. deb packages are a lot harder to | create for the novice users. There is not much documentation to help in | this area either. Also, when updates are released .debs are usually the | last to be released (because someone usually | has to hack an .rpm or something similar) When security is an issue, | .rpms are usually quicker to be released and thus should never be | discounted. It is fast becoming the standard package system in the | industry. .deb are perhaps harder to create but some tools reduce this creation to a simple make once all is installed. There is perhaps not much documentation but : # ls /usr/man/man1/dh*|wc -l 30 Everybody knows that .deb are usually the last to be released to increase stability for .deb packages. When security is an issue .rpm and .deb are both tested and it would be great to have statistics to know which is the quicker to be installed and used. .deb is already a standard package system in the industry. And again it would be nice to have statistics to confirm this purely subjective statement :) -- o-o [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michel Verdier) http://www.chez.com/mverdier
Re[2]: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
Thursday, May 18, 2000, 5:16:08 AM, Michel wrote: > .deb is already a standard package system in the industry. And again it > would be nice to have statistics to confirm this purely subjective > statement :) Purely anecdotal, but Earthlink uses dpkg and deb as their internal format for binary distribution for servers. Not much in the way of Debian machines, just the packaging format. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 02:16:08PM +0200, Michel Verdier wrote: > | deb packages are a lot harder to create for the novice users. There is > | not much documentation to help in this area either. > > There is perhaps not much documentation but : > # ls /usr/man/man1/dh*|wc -l > 30 You people probably haven't heard of things such as `apt-get source -b foo' or the New Maintainers' Guide (in `maint-guide' package or online at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ )? -- Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification
Re: Re[2]: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Steve Lamb wrote: > Purely anecdotal, but Earthlink uses dpkg and deb as their internal format > for binary distribution for servers. Not much in the way of Debian machines, > just the packaging format. :) Apple's DarwinOS also uses the dpkg tools. (So maybe Apple OS X will start using them too?) http://www.people.virginia.edu/%7Ebks7g/packages.html Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net http://bsd.reedmedia.net
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like total hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I was really looking for something within debian that's built to do "kickstart" type installations. Although what you suggest may work, it leave little flexibility between machines and also takes a lot more work then I was hoping to do. For example, I have 20 machines at a co location I need to go install. Right now with Red Hat I can take my laptop, slap a floppy in each machine, turn 'em on, 5 minutes later I have 20 fully configured machines ready to rock. Also if I use DHCP and place my kick start config file on the server, I could literally have 20 different configurations for each machine and never have to touch a key. This is a part of Red Hat, no tricks have to be done, all you need is a proper ks.cfg file and a central place where the distro comes from, usually over nfs for convenience. YOu can't beat that when doing large installations. To do what I need to do in Debian seems that it would take a very long time, even hours, which is not fun if you've ever spent time at a co location. It seems a lot of Debian users are developers and in this case I'm sure Debian is perfect, but Red Hat's kickstart allows me to see my wife at night (not really, but you know what I mean). -jeremy > > "Jeremy" == Jeremy Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Jeremy> Autoinstall (Red Hat's kickstart) > Jeremy> This is also something fairly important. We need this as we do > a > Jeremy> lot of mass installs. > > The best way to do that that I've found so far is to set up a box > with two removable hard drive racks, install and _configure_ > everything on one drive, then use `cfdisk', `mkswap', and `mke2fs' to > partition and format the second drive. Use `cpio' from a script to > copy everything from the master drive to the copy, then run the > appropriate Lilo command to make that copy bootable. You can then > mount it in another machine and it's ready to go. You have to filter > some things out when you copy. See below. > > Another way to do it would be to create a tar archive, useing "find | > grep -v -f exclude-patterns | cpio", name it `base2_2.tgz' and put it > in place on an intranet web server where you can point the Debian > installer's netfetch... Then you can install several machines at > once over the LAN... in theory. > > This is just a starter... I have not done this much yet myself, since > I don't have extra hardware to work with and really need to spend my > time on reading and studies. I have done it from drive to drive > using `cpio' to install the filesystem snapshot, but have not done it > by naming a tar format archive as base and using the debian-boot > installer. It might just work. NFS mounting the server directory > where the `cpio' or `tar' archive sits might work fine also. > > You could burn a bootable CD with the archive on it, and on the > bootable's root.bin, have `sfdisk' etc. and a script that automaticly > partitions, formats, and installs the archive. It might be simpler > to try the netfetch/dbootstrap approach though. > > You can make a copy of the system like this... it will create a > `cpio' archive... substitute `ustar' for `crc' to make a `tar' > compatible archive. RTFM's... you're on your own. > > 8<>8 > #!/bin/bash > find / -print0 | > grep --invert-match --extended-regexp --null-data > --file=/root/make-tarball.exclude-patterns | > cpio --create --format=crc --null --reset-access-time --block-size=10 | > gzip --best > /tmp/system-snapshot_$(date +%Y.%m.%d).cpio.crc.gz > 8<>8 > > You may need to tweak this some. (NO WARRANTEE) > > "make-tarball.exclude-patterns" > 8<>8 > ^/proc/.* > ^/tmp/.* > ^/lost+found > ^/boot/lost+found > ^/var/cache/apache/.* > ^/var/cache/apt/.*\.deb > ^/var/log/.*\.log > ^/var/log/\(amanda\|apache\|gdm\|ksymoops\|mailman\|news\|sendfile\|wu-ftpd\)/.* > ^/var/log/\(syslog\|smb\|nmb\|messages\|mail\|lpr\|debug\|dmesg\).* > ^/var/lock/\.LCK.* > ^/var/run/.*\.pid > ^/var/run/\(ndc\|utmp\) > ^/var/samba/.* > \.bash_history > \.gnome-errors > .*~ > /\.saves-.* > /\.#.* > /\.netscape/cache/.* > > -- http://www.xxedgexx.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: ORBS not blocking, but logged in headers
Tommi Virtanen wrote: > Actually, I'd really want to know how to configure Postfix to > add a header for each blocking service checked: > > X-Maybe-Spam-RBL: [the text from the TXT record here] > X-Maybe-Spam-ORBS: [the text from the TXT record here] > X-Maybe-Spam-DUL: [the text from the TXT record here] This is impossible to do directly in postfix. However, you can do it with procmail. -- see shy jo
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious > > technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and > > post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades. > > I wouldn't call it nonsensical, but the way dpkg does it is definitely > more robust. I need to take another close look at how rpm and dpkg > differ in this respect anyway, so if people are interested in the little > details I might be willing to write a little comparison about it.. > > Wichert. > I, for one, would be very interested in this comparison. My company has started using Linux in a pretty big way, kind of at my instigation. Because I was the only Linux guy, we used Debian of course :). But because a lot of my colleagues were new to Linux and found the Debian install to be much less "slick" than Red Hat, I was under attack as to my choice. A lot of what makes Debian cool is appreciated only after some time with it.
Re: ORBS not blocking, but logged in headers
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 06:57:00PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote: > Actually, I'd really want to know how to configure Postfix to > add a header for each blocking service checked: > > X-Maybe-Spam-RBL: [the text from the TXT record here] > Please tell me how to do it. You can't. I believe it's planned for implementation, but not done yet. > > I doubt that Qmail is any more secure than Postfix. I doubt that it is any > > faster. > Well, postfix has had security bugs, qmail hasn't. I rather suspect it's Good Enough, particularly consider it's largely a work in progress. OTOH, I'd be willing to bet that qmail is the most thoroughly audited MTA out there. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ pgpZn7eywMsfE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
Are you aware of this? http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ -- Mike On 2000-05-18 at 13:55 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > It seems a lot of Debian users are developers and in this case I'm sure > Debian is perfect, but Red Hat's kickstart allows me to see my wife at > night (not really, but you know what I mean).
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
> Previously Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > Actually, from what I've been told, rpm has at least one serious > > technical flaw: The order of execution for pre-install and > > post-install scripts is nonsensical for upgrades. > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > I wouldn't call it nonsensical, but the way dpkg does it is definitely > > more robust. I need to take another close look at how rpm and dpkg > > differ in this respect anyway, so if people are interested in the little > > details I might be willing to write a little comparison about it.. On Thu, 18 May 2000, Stephen A. Witt wrote: > I, for one, would be very interested in this comparison. Like many others, installed Slackware as my first Linux installation. I went looking for something better and found Debian. The package management has consistently improved over the years. I have only one RedHat installation, and studied the various package management tools they had available. The focus of the tools appeared to assume that you had a full distribution available locally. With 'kickstart', that perspective would be consistent the requirement to deploy file and print servers on a LAN. For updating, I used 'rpmfind' like I would 'apt-get' ... but found no equivilent to 'dselect'. Dpkg/Apt is stiving to be able to update a running system on the fly. It routinely provides me a list of both new and updated packages. Most security fixes are "in" before I get email from the redhat-security mailing list. I recently completed an upgrade from a slink (2.0.34 kernel) to potato (2.2.14) with minor trouble ... that I could have avoided if I was more skillful. What I like most about Debian Package distribution is the classifications of "main", "non-free", "contrib" and "non-US". It tells me something very important about the software I am using. It represents to me a practical implementation of the goals of the Software in the Public Interest. This organization extends and expands on the objectives of the Free Software Foundation, makes it possible for our small business to exist and is, for me, the Open Source "guarantee". For pre/post install questions, I am most interested in how closely any given installed package adheres to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS). Portability between packaging systems as defined by support for the FHS would appear to be a valid evaluation criteria. --- Gerard MacNeil, P. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED] System Administrator Supercity Internet Services http://www.supercity.ns.ca
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
I would agree most of the proposed solutions are quick hacks. The fact is, we won't be natively supporting bulk installation until Woody. And even that is in question. As I understand it, the proposed Woody install system is debconf based; moreover, debconf can have different backends for receiving configuration info, for instance, an LDAP backend, or a backend that munges an XML file from a web server. Yes, vapor vapor vapor but that's the right way to do it if you ask me. Hopefully debconf will be _de rigeur_ for any package requiring configuration info at pkg install time in Woody, so what we would have is really a general solution rather than just a partial or hack solution. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/>
Re: ORBS not blocking, but logged in headers
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 06:56:40PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 11:03:19AM +, Russell Coker wrote: > > I doubt that Qmail is any more secure than Postfix. I doubt that it is any > > faster. > > Well, postfix has had security bugs, qmail hasn't. actually, the opposite is true - no matter how much djb tries to deny it, wietse DID find a denial-of-service attack against qmail. qmail isn't faster either, in fact it is significantly slower when you have a lot of mail to send to the same server - qmail sends one message per recipient, always. postfix sends one message with multiple RCPT TO addressesmakes a big difference if you have a mailing list with, say, 1000 subscribers at hotmail.com. of course, if you WANT to send one message per recipient with postfix then you can do that - but it's an option, not a "feature" which is impossible to turn off. craig -- craig sanders
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
Agreed that this seems technically sound, but it would be really nice to have this Real Soon Now. I think it might be reasonably possible to backport this from Woody into Potato fairly soon after the release of Potato. The fact is that an automatic installation system will be really hard to test on the unstable tree. I am not proposing that something like this should really be called stable, but if it could be made compatible with the stable distribution (then Potato) that would be very helpful. -- Mike On 2000-05-18 at 19:32 -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > The fact is, we won't be natively supporting bulk installation until > Woody. And even that is in question. As I understand it, the > proposed Woody install system is debconf based; moreover, debconf can > have different backends for receiving configuration info, for > instance, an LDAP backend, or a backend that munges an XML file from a > web server.
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:55:37PM -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like > total hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I > was really looking for something within debian that's built to do > "kickstart" type installations. huh? what do you think kickstart is? it's the same kind of "total hack" - the difference is that you have to do it RedHat's way whether you like it or not, and it pretends to be easy enough to use that you don't need to know what you're doing to run it. personally, i think that anyone who needs to mass-build machines *SHOULD* know exactly what they are doing. i wouldn't trust any machine built by someone who needed such point-and-click tools. > Although what you suggest may work, it leave little flexibility > between machines and also takes a lot more work then I was hoping to > do. actually, it leaves a lot of flexibility between machines. use ed or 'perl -i' scripts to automatically edit config files in place. > For example, I have 20 machines at a co location I need to go install. > Right now with Red Hat I can take my laptop, slap a floppy in each > machine, turn 'em on, 5 minutes later I have 20 fully configured > machines ready to rock. you can do the same thing with debian...just install the nfs server package on your laptop. craig -- craig sanders
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:24:26PM -0700, Stephen A. Witt wrote: > A lot of what makes Debian cool is appreciated only after some time > with it. also, a lot of what debian does is only appreciated after you've had the misfortune of working with some other distros for a while...then you really appreciate debian's sanity. craig -- craig sanders
Re: where to find web browser statistics information?
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 04:11:42PM +0500, Vlad Harchev wrote: > I need information about user agents used for surfing WWW (especially > lynx). Where I can find it? I searched yahoo, and all pages with > stats that are reachable from that search results page are either old > or meaningless or are for very specific sites (like universities). Is > there any integrated stats or stats for some general-purpose sites, > that are not older than several monthes? i don't have a direct answer for you, but if you're trying to justify (to bosses or to a web design team or whoever) why pages should be made as browser-neutral as possible, and should be viewable on lynx then take a look at http://www.anybrowser.org/ one big reason why lynx-compatible web pages are important is for disabled users such as the blind (or almost blind) - for some people, a text-mode browser and a speech synthesizer is the ONLY way they can access the web. i don't know what your laws are like in russia, but here in australia you can get hit with a discrimination lawsuit(*) if you don't support use by the disabled - it's pretty much mandated on government web servers, and large corporate sites (e.g. banks) would be taking a big risk if their internet service did not cater to the disabled. (*) the lawsuit isn't guarranteed to win, but there is anti-discrimination legislation which applies. craig -- craig sanders
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
At 09:55 PM 5/17/00 -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: > copy everything from the master drive to the copy, then run the > appropriate Lilo command to make that copy bootable. You can then > mount it in another machine and it's ready to go. You have to filter > some things out when you copy. See below. You can't do that, I've tried it before. Lilo can't be installed on any secondary disk. Don't ask me why because I don't know. There's a HOWTO about it. +---+ |-=I T ' S P R I N C I P L E T H A T C O U N T S=- | |=- -=ALAN KEYES FOR PRESIDENT=- -=| | Balanced Budgets Personal Freedoms Morality Lower Tax | |=-- http://www.Keyes2000.com. --=| ++
Re: Transfer data between two comps without network
At 04:36 PM 5/18/00 +0500, Vlad Harchev wrote: > I think you can install NIC into machine with data (call it machine A), place >another machine with large hdd with NIC in it near the source machine A (call >it machine B), connect them using crosswired UTP, download data to machine B, A laptop would be ideal for that. +---+ |-=I T ' S P R I N C I P L E T H A T C O U N T S=- | |=- -=ALAN KEYES FOR PRESIDENT=- -=| | Balanced Budgets Personal Freedoms Morality Lower Tax | |=-- http://www.Keyes2000.com. --=| ++
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 05:54:54PM -0400, Mike Bilow wrote: > Are you aware of this? > > http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ Another tool to do this is Replicator. Sorry, but I don't a link nearby. Search for it in google. > On 2000-05-18 at 13:55 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > > > It seems a lot of Debian users are developers and in this case I'm sure > > Debian is perfect, but Red Hat's kickstart allows me to see my wife at > > night (not really, but you know what I mean). -- Pedro Guerreiro UIN: 48533103 Universidade do Algarve (EST) - Campus da Penha - 8000 Faro - PORTUGAL GPG: 0xCF32D4E7F506 DDF4 0B92 247D B8E6 13BA A6DB 9E3A CF32 D4E7
Re: where to find web browser statistics information?
At 09:59 AM 5/19/00 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: >i don't know what your laws are like in russia, but here in australia >you can get hit with a discrimination lawsuit(*) if you don't support Yeah, I've heard some scary things out of Australia lately. It's like they're moving toward socialism/communism and away from true democracy. It's good to support the disabled, but it can get ludicrous real fast. +---+ |-=I T ' S P R I N C I P L E T H A T C O U N T S=- | |=- -=ALAN KEYES FOR PRESIDENT=- -=| | Balanced Budgets Personal Freedoms Morality Lower Tax | |=-- http://www.Keyes2000.com. --=| ++
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
If kickstart is a red hat package, you can install it on debian using alien. Then you can use red hat's kickstart to install debian. :) At 01:55 PM 5/18/00 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: >Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like total >hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I was really >looking for something within debian that's built to do "kickstart" type >installations. > >Although what you suggest may work, it leave little flexibility between >machines and also takes a lot more work then I was hoping to do. Only for the initial setup. Once your base install is made, a few scripts written, it can become 100% automatic. It's just not 100% automatic out of the box. +---+ |-=I T ' S P R I N C I P L E T H A T C O U N T S=- | |=- -=ALAN KEYES FOR PRESIDENT=- -=| | Balanced Budgets Personal Freedoms Morality Lower Tax | |=-- http://www.Keyes2000.com. --=| ++
Re: Transfer data between two comps without network
At 12:48 PM 5/18/00 +0200, Dariush Pietrzak wrote: >That was the original scheme, but bosses hmmm, after some consultations >said that we should transfer data on cd-roms with armed guardian. >so now we've got problems, and deadlines haven't changed >although we had no idea of those security issues to be resolved. Then your bosses are idiots who don't know what they're talking about. A cdrom is far less secure than an encrypted transmission buecause that cd is going to stay around *forever* unless burned. And it wouldn't be to hard to pilfer one of those cd's. You can encrypt the transmission sufficiently that it would take centuries to decrypt, even with projected increases in computer power. PGP can go up to I believe 4096 bits, and you can encrypt it an infinite number of times depending on how paranoid you are. What's more, direct fiber links can't be eavesdropped on because there are no EM emissions. Exactly how far apart are these two machines? +---+ |-=I T ' S P R I N C I P L E T H A T C O U N T S=- | |=- -=ALAN KEYES FOR PRESIDENT=- -=| | Balanced Budgets Personal Freedoms Morality Lower Tax | |=-- http://www.Keyes2000.com. --=| ++
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
Hmm, I don't agree here. Kickstart is a way of automating the tasks already involved with a manual install. It does what it's supposed to do quite well and actually with the flexibility available, I rarely encounter a situation that requires more "custom" things. Hacks can be included in kickstart during the %post procedure where you can basically write your script to do whatever. I've been using Linux long enough that I don't need to use the hacker way around things for all purposes. For me it's the bottom line. Kickstart lets me setup a lot of machines very quickly with pretty much limitless control over each install. Kickstart is part of anaconda and it is design for what it does, slapping cpio tar and all the other tools you can pass an argument to is just a mess. -jeremy > On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:55:37PM -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > > Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like > > total hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I > > was really looking for something within debian that's built to do > > "kickstart" type installations. > > huh? what do you think kickstart is? it's the same kind of "total hack" > - the difference is that you have to do it RedHat's way whether you like > it or not, and it pretends to be easy enough to use that you don't need > to know what you're doing to run it. > > personally, i think that anyone who needs to mass-build machines > *SHOULD* know exactly what they are doing. i wouldn't trust any machine > built by someone who needed such point-and-click tools. > > > Although what you suggest may work, it leave little flexibility > > between machines and also takes a lot more work then I was hoping to > > do. > > actually, it leaves a lot of flexibility between machines. use ed or > 'perl -i' scripts to automatically edit config files in place. > > > For example, I have 20 machines at a co location I need to go install. > > Right now with Red Hat I can take my laptop, slap a floppy in each > > machine, turn 'em on, 5 minutes later I have 20 fully configured > > machines ready to rock. > > you can do the same thing with debian...just install the nfs server > package on your laptop. > > craig > > -- > craig sanders > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.xxedgexx.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. I know Debian has a very strict rule base on the packages it includes but every distro I have even installed always included pine and I was just wondering the reason behind not doing that with Debian. -jeremy > On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:24:26PM -0700, Stephen A. Witt wrote: > > > A lot of what makes Debian cool is appreciated only after some time > > with it. > > also, a lot of what debian does is only appreciated after you've had the > misfortune of working with some other distros for a while...then you > really appreciate debian's sanity. > > craig > > -- > craig sanders > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.xxedgexx.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
Well it's funny you brought that up because I was considering just making one huge rpm of debian and then using kickstart. Kickstart is a part of Red Hat's install, Anaconda, not really an rpm but I get your point. -jeremy > If kickstart is a red hat package, you can install it on debian using alien. > Then you can use red hat's kickstart to install debian. :) > > At 01:55 PM 5/18/00 -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > >Most of the answers I've been getting on this subject seem like total > >hacks, which may work but really are tricks to doing this. I was really > >looking for something within debian that's built to do "kickstart" type > >installations. > > > >Although what you suggest may work, it leave little flexibility between > >machines and also takes a lot more work then I was hoping to do. > > Only for the initial setup. Once your base install is made, a few scripts > written, it can become 100% automatic. It's just not 100% automatic out of > the box. > > +---+ > |-=I T ' S P R I N C I P L E T H A T C O U N T S=- | > |=- -=ALAN KEYES FOR PRESIDENT=- -=| > | Balanced Budgets Personal Freedoms Morality Lower Tax | > |=-- http://www.Keyes2000.com. --=| > ++ > > > -- http://www.xxedgexx.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
Jeremy, Because Univ of Washington doesn't allow modified tarballs to be distributed, and you have to modify the tarball's paths to be Debian compliant. So download the pine-src.deb , the pine-src-diffs.deb , and complile. Do not upload or share the resulting files. Regards - Original Message - From: Jeremy Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Stephen A. Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Debian User ; ; Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info. > > Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. I know Debian > has a very strict rule base on the packages it includes but every distro I > have even installed always included pine and I was just wondering the > reason behind not doing that with Debian. > > -jeremy > > > On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:24:26PM -0700, Stephen A. Witt wrote: > > > > > A lot of what makes Debian cool is appreciated only after some time > > > with it. > > > > also, a lot of what debian does is only appreciated after you've had the > > misfortune of working with some other distros for a while...then you > > really appreciate debian's sanity. > > > > craig > > > > -- > > craig sanders > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > http://www.xxedgexx.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 09:29:03PM -0400, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine? Just curious. because it's a violation of pine's license to distribute modified binaries. pine is non-free. debian distributes a pine-src package (in non-free) which contains the pine source code plus debian patches plus a script to auto-build. at least, we used to...haven't bothered with pine for ages because mutt is so much better (and free). > I know Debian has a very strict rule base on the packages it includes > but every distro I have even installed always included pine and I was > just wondering the reason behind not doing that with Debian. the fact that just about every other distribution is willing to violate the licensing terms for pine is no reason for debian to do the same. craig -- craig sanders
control of bandwidth in a subnet
Hi all I did a subnet using ip masquerade in a computer with two ne2000 cards to link some computers to the internet, and it is working fine.Is it possible to limit the bandwidth of a host in this subnet? Is there a way that the computer that works as a gateway control "how" the hosts in the subnet will access it? something like a factor that could be aplied to each IP on the subnet.thanx in advance.
Re: Mass install / Autoinstall (Was: Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.)
> "Craig" == Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> For example, I have 20 machines at a co location I need to go install. >> Right now with Red Hat I can take my laptop, slap a floppy in each >> machine, turn 'em on, 5 minutes later I have 20 fully configured >> machines ready to rock. Craig> you can do the same thing with debian...just install the nfs server Craig> package on your laptop. I think that with `Woody' we'll have something as good as or better than KickStart. Read up on `debconf', and think about what I said about creating a custom Debian `baseX_X.tgz'. -- Those who do not study Lisp are doomed to reimplement it - Poorly. A few months in the laboratory often saves several hours at the library. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom)
