Re: some extra LT review points ...
#include Michael Holzt wrote on Sun Jun 16, 2002 um 12:53:19AM: > I really like my 'Quietsche-Tux'. Btw, i'm very certain that HP > used them first last year. I had to swap a debian CD for one. > > I think the opionions here are very different. The fact that some > people dislike this toy does not mean, that it is a bad idea. Exactly. (Standing up now, getting Quitsche-Tux from the shelf about me and producing its nice sound to feel happy again ;). Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- This is Linux Country. On a quiet night, you can hear Windows reboot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Release Party - traveling from Karlsruhe/Kaiserlautern
#include Would any participant of the Release Party (http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/party/) like to be picked up somewhere between Karlsruhe and Hanover and travel with a car? Gas is too expensive nowadays to afford the travelling costs just for one person. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Alfie: schonmal davon gehoert, dass nicht jeder linux user gleich ein programmierer ist, der alles, was er selber braucht, auch selber programmiert, installiert, patched, hacked oder portiert? ij: Urks? Das ist doch nur eine Legende. -- #debian.de pgp6qS9B4SKC6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: linux kongress 2002 booth
#include * Noel Koethe [Sat, Aug 24 2002, 10:19:23PM]: > Grisu, your times are missing. Please add them. > > Wednesday for setting up the booth And joining tutorials when the job is done, imho. I could appear maybe to the lunch time. > Thursday > > complete day: > Andreas Müller Good. I doubt there will be more visitor ratio than on e.g. LinuxTag, so two people for the booth should reach. > 11.30-12.15 maybe me > 12.15-13 > Noel Köthe maybe me > 16-16.30 > Achim Steinmetz > Noel Köthe > > 17.15-18 maybe me > complete day: > Andreas Müller > > 9-9.30 > Achim Steinmetz > Noel Köthe > > 9.30-10.15 maybe me > 12.15-13 > Noel Köthe maybe me > 14.45-15.30 /me > 15.30-17 > Achim Steinmetz Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Die Berylliumsalze, die - besonders inhaliert - ausserordentlich giftig sind und krebserregend wirken, schmecken suess. (Aus: "Lehrbuch der Anorganischen Chemie" von Holleman und Wiberg)
Re: nochmals wegen der CD / DVD zum LT
#include * Dominik von Wyl [Mon, Jan 13 2003, 09:15:28PM]: > > für diese Gruppe ist die Installations-CD nicht DAU-sicher genug. > > Diese sollten besser eine Knoppix nehmen und diese installieren.. > > Ach übrigens, > ich habe bei mir Knoppix mit dem Installskript auf die Platte > installiert, ein frisch installiertes Woody ist bei weitem einfacher > zu konfigurieren, ausser vielleicht der XServer und die Soundkarte. > (Evtl. Ansichtssache) > Knoppix ist eine sehr gute Sache um aufzuzeigen wie weit GNU/Linux > heute schon ist, aber sicherlich nicht einem ungeübten Benutzer als > HD Installation zu empfehlen (Eigentlich keinem). Kannst du das mal präzisieren oder willst du einfach nur Schaum schlagen? Ich sehe nicht ein, was an regulärer Debian-Installation einfacher sein soll - ausser vielleicht der Partitionierungsgeschichte, die ist besser kommentiert. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- >Passwortaufschreiber! >Backupmacher! Uebertragungsratenmesser! CD-Hüllen-Benutzer!
Re: nochmals wegen der CD / DVD zum LT
#include * Sven Hoexter [Thu, Jan 23 2003, 09:31:13PM]: > > Ich meine eine (x)dialog Oberfläche für Knoppix, die die CDs erzeugt > > und brennt. Nichts mit 'fat', nichts mit 'Windows', nichts mit '10 > > Seiten' oder 'Aufwand'. > Ahh and where do you want to store the iso? AFAIK on the fly creation of > a bootable cd is something quite complex ... ah and don't try to think of > a 650MB ramdisk ;) (Ok I have 1GB RAM in this box here but that is not > average I think) Why? For the compression utility? In the last version (in Sid), there is a more efficient tool that does not need to keep the whole image in the memory while compressing it. > > > > > - Leute können auf älteren Rechner ohne große Probleme Debian > > > > >installieren, da diese dann i.d.R. auch einen neueren Rechner (evt. > > > > >mit Windows) mit DVD-Player und CD-Brenner haben > > > > Da hab ich ja aus eigener Erfahrung durchaus meine Zweifel. > > > > ok, vielleicht sind meine Erfahrungen wirklich was einseitig, wenn ich > > hier so großen Wiederspruch bekomme. > or you just lost the view of the averrage user ;) I think I've lost it too > but my (girl)friend brings me back to the roots sometimes. Ack. An average user wants hardware detection, a simple short selection of idiot-proof packages with idiot-proof defaults. Something Knoppix and Mandrake can provide, but Debian cannot. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Wie man sein Kind nicht nennen sollte: Kurt Zundklein
Re: nochmals wegen der CD / DVD zum LT
#include * Sven Hoexter [Fri, Jan 24 2003, 09:50:56PM]: > > Why? For the compression utility? In the last version (in Sid), there is > > a more efficient tool that does not need to keep the whole image in the > > memory while compressing it. > I thought that you have to write the whole iso somewhere bevor you can burn it > but Grisu said something about doing this with pipes. I will look into this > topic when I did my first steps with the debian-cd stuff - in one or two > weeks I think ;) Actually, it depends on what you mean. You have two ISO images while mastering KNOPPIX. One is written from the native Debian filesystem and can be compressed on the fly. The result is the big KNOPPIX file that takes 99% of the KNOPPIX-CD. Then you need another mkisofs to create the Knoppix-CD-ISO, together with the boot-floppy, docs, demo files, etc. The problem is: this external mkisofs run needs to know about the file sizes. You cannot fool it with a pipe getting data from the process compressing the internal KNOPPIX volume. I can imagine a way to work around this problem, using multiple sessions. The problems: a) It is not known wheter all BIOS types will boot from multisessions CDs b) Knoppix' boot image needs modifications to load the KNOPPIX volume from a hidden session c) Klaus' CD mastering scripts need some changes > > Ack. An average user wants hardware detection, a simple short selection > > of idiot-proof packages with idiot-proof defaults. Something Knoppix and > > Mandrake can provide, but Debian cannot. > Well using pgi might be an option but that is something I ignore for the > moment. Dito. > If you have more experience and would like to do it feel free :) I will play > with it anyway for my own pleasure when I know the basics. What about the Xandros guys? If they donate some exemplars, we could also make good publicity. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Haben Sie einen Hïcker gesehen?
Re: CeBIT
#include * Alexander Schmehl [Wed, Feb 19 2003, 09:11:00AM]: > > > Of course I we should show Knoppix on request, but AFAIK Knopper will > > > have his > > > own booth on the CeBit. > > He will? Cool. > > Knopper mentions this on his Page: hall 11, booth 42... 42? Cool! IIRC the booth of Rheinland-Pfalz/Uni-Kaiserslautern projects. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Immer wenn man die Meinung der Mehrheit teilt, ist es Zeit, sich zu besinnen. -- Mark Twain
Re: status update LT 2003 CD
#include * Sven Hoexter [Wed, Apr 16 2003, 07:57:20PM]: > Eduard: The only minor issue I have is a missing space between the "de" and > the "-" in the language selection screen right at the beginning. Is this a > bug or a feature? Anyway not realy important. Bug. Needs to be fixed. Same with kernel, needs an update to the secure version. But do not expect anything from me in the next 8 days, sorry. MfG, Eduard. -- Harp not on that string. -- William Shakespeare, "Henry VI"
Re: status update LT 2003 CD
#include * Sven Hoexter [Sun, Jun 01 2003, 11:53:40AM]: > Again a few words on the "Jugendsch(m)utzgesetz" > I decided that all "games and eductional software" will stay so I'm feeling > sorry for all underaged people. Please take your parents with you so that they > can grab a CD for you at the exhibition. > > Christian: What about adding a ironic label to the cover "18+ only" or > something like this? Is there anybody organising a petition that LT visitors can sign, against the braindead law? We should create a big poster telling people to bitch about this by their federal politician. MfG, Eduard. -- Perserker: ich habe keinen kostenlosen support ... macht 20 DM die antwort ... momentan ist auf deinem konto -20 DM
Re: status update LT 2003 CD
#include * Sven Hoexter [Mon, Jun 02 2003, 08:01:45AM]: > > Why don't you include his other backports? A new version of XFree86 will > > be useful for a lot of people. And KDE 3.1 from kde.org, too. > 1. Every backport or new upstream version is a few kb or even mb larger so > we would have to skip other packages. Who cares? Please skip less useful packages rather than excluding important things - like decent X11 support for any modern laptop. > 2. Backports did not went through all the Debian QA cycles Who cares? I do not much. > These are my Top 3 reasons to not include big backports like XFree or KDE. > I asked about this topic in February and got this answer: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/2003/debian-events-eu-200301/msg00111.html > > If you offer me a plan wich packages I should skip for including a new > XFree I'll try to find some time to test if it's possible. I suggest: xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn elvis-tiny nvi wfaroese ipmasqadm cfengine-doc cryptcat dact gftp-text grace icewm icewm-lite php3-imap php3-mysql php3-ldap freeciv-xaw3d dillo dvb-zapping proftpd-ldap proftpd-mysql proftpd-pgsql pstngw postal openam ohphone-basic All of them do IMO do not match the needs of the target user base (at least not the things they may need immediately after installation) or do just duplicate another packages except of small changes (say proftpd-pgsql vs. proftpd-mysql). Gives you 18MiB. MfG, Eduard.
Re: status update LT 2003 CD
#include * Michael Bramer [Thu, Jun 05 2003, 10:08:40AM]: > > english. I don't know about a Debian release where you have the language > > you choose during the base install after the reboot. > > IMHO Eduard had fixed this in some version? Eduard? No, I suggested it and made a patch but it was torpedoed by some influentive developer and wrong timeline expectations. IIRC Petter Reinholdsen worked on a similar patch (or actually have working locales setup in base-config) and Marcus Moeller worked on a similar simple integration of locales support. Pere? Markus? > > Grisu what about a new pdf of the "Debian Guide"? Or should I kill this > > task from my todo list and use the version from last year? > > Use the old one. If I can make a update I will send you a newer version. Is there still the old combo FAQ page started when running Windows? We should refresh it with d-u-g- and chanel.debian.de-FAQs. MfG, Eduard. -- "VIM - verbesserter Vi" - Wer hat an meinem LANG gedreht... jjFux: scheis i18n, das müsste vvi sein, nich vim pgps1hyigGRej.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: status update LT 2003 CD
Moin Petter! Petter Reinholdtsen schrieb am Thursday, den 05. June 2003: > base-config on the other hand is fixed to handle translations, so this > part of the problem is fixed (is Sarge and Sid, not Wood). Did anyonene try to replace base-config with the Sid version in a Woody basedebs chain? Does it work? If no, would it be possible to extract the i18n changes and apply them to the Woody version? MfG, Eduard. -- totenstille? mal nen ping auf mich selber machen... ist ja grausam 2 minuten lang in keinem channel nen wort Getty: Mach ein /unignore * schaemt ihr euch nicht? nichtmal alfie sagt was unglaublich
Re: status update LT 2003 CD
#include * Martin Schulze [Tue, Jun 10 2003, 07:42:47AM]: > Acrobat should not be included. xpdf should be fine, though. Here we disagree, xpdf is not always fine. However, Acroread must not be included when we add anything writting PDF files to the media (say, Ghostscript). MfG, Eduard. -- Smur: du brauchst nen Level 9 Analyzer weasel: fällt dir da konkret n name ein?
Re: Update CD-Covers
#include * Christian Weerts [Fri, Jun 13 2003, 08:54:40PM]: > please take a look at the Covers and comment on them. To Frontcover: the left bottom corner looks a bit empty. I suggest either placing a meta-logo (like PC-CDROM known from game packages) there, or Linux and Credativ logos. They do not look good on their current position anyways, like beeing "pressed" by other elements into a corner. To backcover: Similarly. Why are the round logos not in the same group as others. Why have they to be on the "smallest" part of the path between the border and the swirl? The URLs are somehow missplaced. They should either a) be oriented at the swirl or b) centred relatively to the text paragraph before. In both cases sorted to the descending length. To the CD label: - not symetrical - Credativ and Linuxtag logos not on the same height - No space for the Univention and Lehmanns logos? - "3.0 Woody ..." is too high. General question: what about renaming 3.0 to 3.0+X, since we have some backports aboard? Ans somehow, I liked the "planet Debian" covers more. > [X] <-- Nail here for new Monitor! .oO( or for a new Laptop ) MfG, Eduard. -- andere frage, wo liegtn der treiber von video4linux ? http://www.google.com/search?q=video4linux nein auf meinem system :)
Re: Fwd: Social Event der Freien Projekte :-)
#include * Andreas Mueller [Fri, Jul 04 2003, 07:58:48PM]: Summary for english speaking folks... > >Von: Ralf Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Datum: Fr, 4. Jul 2003 19:42:59 Europe/Berlin > >An: Andreas Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: Michael Meskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > >Bernhard Reiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Betreff: Social Event der Freien Projekte :-) Social events for The Free Projects ;) > >Hallo Leute, > > > >damit wir dieses Jahr auch mal was fÃr uns machen und nicht nur > >schuften, > >veranstaltet KDE einen "kleinen" social event fÃr die Projekte KDE, > >Debian > >und GNOME. KDE folks are organising a small social event for the projects KDE, Debian and Gnome. > >WO: http://www.greek-shopping.de/site/rb/zursuedstadt.htm The location. > >WIE: Fussweg von der Messe: 20 Minuten Distance: 20 minutes walk. > >WANN: Samstag, 12.7., 19:30 Uhr. Saturday, the 12th, 19:30h. > >KOSTET: ca. 12 Euro pro Teilnehmer, GetrÃnke mÃssen selbst bezahlt > >werden. Costs: 12â without drinks, drinks cost extra. > >ANMELDEN: bei mir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Registration: ... > >BEZAHLEN: vor Ort beim Wirt beim Verlassen des Lokals (da die GetrÃnke > >eh > >extra gehen sollte das nicht das Problem sein). Payment: after the meal by the host. > >Wir mÃssen allerdings bis Montag Abend wissen wer kommen mÃchte. Platz > >haben > >wir fÃr max. 50 Personen. Zu Essen gibts ein Riesen Buffet mit allem > >drum und > >dran, gemischte KÃche Deutsch-Griechisch. Registration must be done before monday, the space is limited to 50 persons. There is a huge buffet from the german/greek cuisine. > >Eingeladen sind grundsÃtzlich mal die Projekte: KDE, Debian und GNOME. > >Wer > >sonst noch Leute von anderen Projekten kennt bzw. die bei ihren Firmen > >am > >Stand arbeiten kann diese natÃrlich einladen. In dem Fall reicht eine > >Mail > >mit der Anzahl an Teilnehmern. GrundsÃtzlich gehen jedoch die > >Reservierungen > >von Standpersonal der Projekte selbstverstÃndlich vor wenn wir die > >Grenze von > >60 Leuten sprengen sollten :-) He invites the KDE, Debian and GNOME projects, maybe we can also bring friends from other projects/companies but they must be registred in the right time (send a list per mail). If the limit of 60 people is reached, the mentioned projects get higher priority. MfG, Eduard. -- yath: tnef um application/ms-tnef Dateien zu extrahieren. Alfie: was ist _das_? yath: Der DatenmÃll, den Outlook produziert. Alfie: aa Alfie:aha *gna* alamar: aha ach, leck mich.
Re: Fwd: Social Event der Freien Projekte :-)
#include * Michael Banck [Sat, Jul 05 2003, 09:08:44PM]: > On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 08:50:34PM +0200, Josef Spillner wrote: > > Ralf mentioned that instead of going to the official social event, members > > of > > KDE, GNOME and Debian are invited to gather in the restaurant "Zur > > Suedstadt" > > instead, to get some German/Greek food. > > Can somebody confirm that this is really at the same time as the > official social event? How stupid can that be? I've never stayed > overnight at LinuxTag, but I've been told that the social event is > supposed to be quite nice. Who said "instead"? Saturday is not Friday. But... 26. Is there a party planned during LinuxTag? Last year, KALUG organized a large party for all supporters, Free Software members and advocates at the AKK. A similar party is planned for this year again. The party will take place on Saturday again, however, the location is not yet fixed. This party seems to be even more fun than the official social event and you should not miss it. MfG, Eduard. -- und warum ist der nicht so schön bunt wie bei Suse?
Re: LinuxTag CD debian.html fix
#include * Martin Schulze [Tue, Jul 29 2003, 12:39:00PM]: > Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > > I was informed by a user about two things that should be changed in the > > debian.html of the LinuxTag CD: > > > > -) My address is the first in the list. Although I don't care being > > contacted primarily for problems with the CD I guess it would be a good > > idea to set it either to the address of this very list, or sort in > > reverse chronological order of when the people helped with the file/CD. > > Changed. There is a bunch of other changes in the attachment, mainly the comments about things that are not relevant with Woody and minor corrections like the tags that were not HTML-4.01 compliant ;) MfG, Ecuard. -- Woher kömmt's, daß das gelesene oder erlebte Beispiel der größten moralischen Aufopferung etwas Süßes und bloß Liebenswürdiges und Anziehendes für uns hat, das Gebot selber aber in einer Sittenlehre etwas Zurückstoßendes? -- Jean Paul --- debian.html.orig2003-07-29 12:39:23.0 +0200 +++ luonnotar.infodrom.org/%7Ejoey/LT/2004/debian.html 2003-08-10 18:31:49.0 +0200 @@ -8,6 +8,8 @@ + + Setup-FAQ fïr Debian Woody -- Edition fïr LinuxTag 2003
Re: Linuxtag: Boothwear / Catering
#include * Michael Banck [Sun, Apr 18 2004, 06:30:51PM]: > > > Classic, 31-6101; > > > Excellent, 31-6501; > > The later is also not bad but I would prefer the slim one. > > Please keep us irc-users in mind: The slim one has not enough space for > the full name and the nick, I'm afraid :) Combine both... My favorite is 31-6501 with Swirl on the left side, "Debian Project / " (normal size) in the first line, "REAL NAME" (font size +1, bold) in the second line and "nickname" (font size -1) in the thirth line. Regards, Eduard. -- Die Vorurteile sind so zu reden die Kunsttriebe der Menschen, sie tun dadurch vieles, das ihnen zu schwer werden würde bis zum Entschluß durchzudenken, ohne alle Mühe. -- Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
Re: Linuxtag 2004: Different Stuff
#include * Geert Stappers [Tue, May 18 2004, 10:12:51AM]: > It will take an investement of 10, one for each arch outside ia32, > Compact Disc Recordables (CD-Rs). That way we will known we > have an ISO image for the architecture and can show > that we support the non ia32 architectures. > (No messages on the booth "You have to wait for that arch" ;-) We need something to explain Debian's failure to support AMD64 "natively". Some FAQ with good answers written by amd64-port experts, to be learned by the booth personal, so we can tell the visitors plausible answers. Regards, Eduard. -- Bildung ist das, was übrigt bliebt, wenn wir vergessen, was wir gelernt haben. -- Edward Frederick Lindley Wood Halifax
Re: Linuxtag 2004: Different Stuff
#include * Martin Michlmayr [Tue, May 18 2004, 09:59:27PM]: > * Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-05-18 22:11]: > > Are you trolling? > > > > Sarge is not even out, so how could we "support" amd64? I don't think > ... > > alioth anyway. So I don't see where we 'fail to support AMD64 natively'. > > What he means is that people will ask why sarge won't release with > official amd64 support. Exactly. It does not look good if booth staff need to grumple and construct some answer for such fundamental questions. It is even worse if two different people give different answers and begin to discuss it in front of the visitors. Same thing with the Sarge release. There are too many hot topics this time, and we need clear and constistent answer strategy. Regards, Eduard. -- Mann, wir Schwatten müssen doch zusammenhalten! -- Anthony Baffoe (nach gelber Karte zum Schiri)
Re: Linuxtag 2004: Different Stuff
#include * Michael Banck [Tue, May 18 2004, 11:03:25PM]: > > What he means is that people will ask why sarge won't release with > > official amd64 support. > > Why would that need "some FAQ with good answers written by amd64-port > experts"? It's pretty obvious that the amd64 port was not initiated in > time for sarge. Obvious? Is it? From whose point of view? And why? What are the problems? Do you need hardware for porting? Will it be possible to get a stable Debian for amd64 soon, maybe released after Sarge? Why does it work for Gentoo/SuSE/...? Etc.pp. Such questions can be expected and I would like to know the best answers when joining the booth staff. Regards, Eduard. -- Ich kann mir denken, daß ein reiner Dichter einen reinen Kaufmann begreift und schätzt sogar; aber nicht umgekehrt. -- Jean Paul
Re: Shopping for/at LinuxTag
#include * Martin Schulze [Sat, May 22 2004, 08:58:52PM]: >Etwas näher dran und von der Messe aus sehr einfach zu finden ist >das "Scheck-In Center" am Mendelssohnplatz. Hat am Samstag Kleiner Hinweis: Der 5-Sterne-Chinesisch-Restaurant im Schek-In-Center ist auch empfehlen. Nicht der allerbilligste, aber ganz akzeptable Preise für gute Qualität. Ist natürlich auch ausserhalb der Scheck-In-Öffnungszeiten geöffnet. Auf dem Weg dorthin sollte man einfach der Beschilderung folgen und sich nicht verwirren lassen, da geht es an einer Stelle ins Freie und gleich rechts kommt der Eingang des Restaurant. Gruss, Eduard. -- Es ist zwar oft unverantwortlich und gewissenlos aber ungemein praktisch, sich in seinen Entscheidungen auf Meinungen oder gar Anweisungen anderer berufen zu können. -- H. Bauer
Re: Microsoft at LinuxTag
Moin Sebastian! Sebastian Raible schrieb am Freitag, den 28. Mai 2004: > My personal feeling still is: There is no room for Microsoft at LinuxTag. > They > don't fit in and they don't have the right to be there. That is because of > how they treated and still tread the community, Free Software and OpenSource > - - without any respect. They have even been insulting us personally. What do you want to achieve by posting in this mailing list? You got all answers on the lt2k mailing list already. Regards, Eduard. -- Polemik soll den Gegner um seine Seelenruhe bringen, nicht ihn belästigen. -- Karl Kraus
Re: critics about our presence at LinuxTag 2004
#include * Alexander Schmehl [Tue, Jun 29 2004, 12:23:04AM]: > - Booth people didn't note down when they sold something or collected > donations, which made the final bill really hard Possible solution: create a mark/token (eg. a ticket made of hard plastic) and give it to few people (2..4) that are allowed to accept the money. If the people do not have the shift or have to leave, they have to make sure that they teach some of the next shift how to ask for and accept the money and how to note this down in the donations list. Wearing this token should not be that complicated since most people had "neckbands" (?!) (sponsored by Sun or LT-ec), > - The staff from the subprojects were not at the booth all the > time (but it was much much better than last year), leaving the "normal" > Debian staff with questions they couldn't answer. > > Possible solution: If you leave your subprojects booth, leave > a) you cellphone number, so we can phone you back > b) leave a big note, telling everyone (visitors included) when you > will be back Precision: Below each poster, attach a sheet of paper with a table of possible locations / return times and a magnet pointer which is to be placed near to the entry. IMO sth. like: M34 project - Mr. Blafasel is... - at the booth - at the hacking area - back at 8:00 - back at 10:00 - back at 12:00 - back at 14:00 - back at 16:00 - out for meal - ... > DebianDay: > == > - Some speakers prepared their talk for the wrong audience. > > Possible solution: If you are going to do a talk at a DebianDay next > year, don't forget that the audience will be mainly Debian Developers > and experienced users. Possible solution: create your presentation papers before the LT begins and let fellow developers proofread it or give you some hints. Regards, Eduard. -- Ich muß mal kurz in den Laden. Halt Du solange unseren A-Klasse Mercedes fest!
Re: critics about our presence at LinuxTag 2004
#include * Alexander Schmehl [Thu, Jul 01 2004, 11:14:33PM]: > > Arne and IIRC Roland (at least two of the really big guys :-) managed > > to tape the beamer to the booth walls' top last year quite good. You > > could easily pass in front of the beamer's screen wihtout disturbing > > the screen. (But I know, the LT organisation didn't like that solution > > very much because of possible accidents...) > > We taped it again this year, but needed to remove it on one of the first > days. Tape is not very good (assurance-wise). Better use transport braces or similar things with a technical certificate (CE etc.) and show that your construction is not going to break easily. Regards, Eduard. -- "Das Schwein trägt seinen Namen nicht umsonst" - Stilblüten aus Kinderaufsätzen: Wenn der Schutzmann die Arme gespreizt hat, will er damit verkünden, daß er keinen fahren läßt, weder von vorne, noch von hinten.
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Re: LinuxTag
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Peter Ganten wrote on Mon Mar 26, 2001 um 08:12:44PM:
> > I'll ask them and Linuxland once CeBIT is over and things have settled
> > down again.
>
> I have just talked to the Linuxland people at CeBit. They are willing
> to sponsor the CD :-) Nevertheless, I would prefer it, if LinuxLand,
> Lehmanns and Springer-Verlag would sponsor the CD together. Debian
Crazy idea: what about the manufacturer of the new "Linux" washing
powder? I could imagine a penguin in a white T-Shirt - "Der sauberste
Pinguin aller Zeiten!" ;) I have no contacts to them, it's worth to try
it.
BTW: it seems that I could come to Linuxtag too, you can count on me as
helper in presentations, "sales" and similar. And of course I will
modify the windows utility for this years CD.
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
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Re: LinuxTag: Current status of CD images
Hi, having discussed about the new lt2k1-CD with ref and Joey on #debian.de yesterday, we decided that in the current situation (BF's not ready and probably won't be to the right time), the best solution is to use a Potato-CD similar to the last year ones. Some upgrades should be on this disk: task-kde + Deps = 31355457 ~ 32MB Mozilla + Dep's ~ 10MB task-gnome* = 29376062 ~ 30MB cbotha's Xfree-4.0.3 = 40124776 ~40MB A.Bunk's 2.4.x kompatible Upgrades = 113741368 ~11MB Summe: ca. 123MB The summs above are estimated using quick-hacked one-liners, I can not guarantee the correctness. I also have no idea which packages in Potato can be completeley replaced by this upgrades so the correct calculation must be done comparing Potato's Packages file and the files from the series listed above. Roland, could you provide us with more information? Another thing: I have an idea for the CD cover, but we need people that can draw thing more realistic than I ever could do. I imagined a cover similar to the last one, but instead of the package listings in the backround, there is aa simple tree structure symbolizing the tree of dependencies, and on some external leafs of this tree are sitting the "Mozilla", this KDE-kide, a gnome, antilope (GNU) on the "base" leaf, probably other characters from important free projects (Tex-lion?). MfG, Eduard. /* perl -pe '$max += $1 if /Size: (.*)$/; print $max; $_ = "\n"' (for x in `grep-available task-gnome | grep Depends: | cut -f2 -d":" | tr "," " "` ; do apt-cache show $x ; done) | sort | uniq | grep ^Size > /tmp/tmp for x in `apt-cache show task-kde | grep Depends: | cut -f2 -d":" | tr "," " "` ; do apt-cache show $x ; done > /tmp/tmp */ pgpu7DR5eDWXq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Cover
#include Jens-Dietrich Neppe wrote on Sat Jun 09, 2001 um 11:01:47PM: > I hope mor people will vote for one of the front sides of the cover(cover_one > or cover_two)! cover_one++; MfG, Eduard. -- No, really: Outlook Express is an excellent newsreader. But you should not use it as a newsPOSTER.
Re: Comments on CD images v4 (was Re: new CD images (II))
#include Stefan Gybas wrote on Wed Jun 13, 2001 um 10:37:36AM: > - pppoe Please the lattest version, 3.0-2 > - libapache-mod-ssl (non-US) Either we leave "apache-ssl" here, or we take "apache" and additional "libapache-mod-ssl" - which alternative does work better? > - zip (why was it removed from v3 to v4?) There is zip-crypt that provides zip, "apt-get install zip" would resolve this automaticaly. > - java-compiler-dummy (if not included, we can remove java-common) > - java-virtual-machine-dummy Would it make any sense to install kaffe? > - grub > - coldsync Apropos Pilot stuff, since pilot-still is already included there should be "jpilot" too. > - pcmcia-modules-2.2.19* from potato-proposed-updates (required by > kernel-image-2.2.19*) These would make kernel-image-2.2.18* obsolete, wouldn't it? > - ssh 2.5.2p2 (non-US, instead of the included 2.2.0) > - dpkg 1.9.6 (or better 1.9.9 from unstable) If you wish, but don't take dpkg-dev 1.9.9, it has important bugs > - mozilla 0.9.1 (M18 is from Sep 2000!) [1] But which one? mozilla-cvs (0.9.1) from deb http://www.debian.or.jp/~kitame/mozilla/ ./ did work quite good for me now. > - libc6 now uses /etc/locale-gen, this should be in base.tgz and configured > to build at lease de_DE ACK. Some European locales should be enabled too. > - I got some requests by dpkg about changes config files (sorry, don't > remember which), this IMHO causes confusion to new users Hm, I didn't... > - libterm-stool-perl is not installed so the Slang frontend does not work > Suggested solution: Put libterm-stool-perl in our base.tgz or change > debconf's dependencies I prefer the first solution. > - There is an X11 configuration in base (anXoius) and and xserver-xfree86 > (XFree 4.0.3). But I'll guess there's nothing we can do about this if we > want to include XFree 3.3.6 servers. Is there any way to restart apt-get from a postinst/preinst script, or to restart it immediately after the installation with specified options? I imagine a debconf dialog box asking: - Configure and install XFree 3.3.6 now? - Configure and install XFree 4.0.x now? The first option would install the current task-x-window-system (with anXious configuration), the other one would install the XFree-4.x equivalents. > [1] Are you really suggesting to include Mozilla M18 (released September 2000) > instead of Netscape 4.77? If we include Mozilla, we should use 0.9.1, > I think there was an announcemant on debian-devel about an unoffical > package recently. I think we should include both: Mozilla is not > yet usable for most web sites, like online banking. Hm. Another idea could be Opera, but it is evil non-free payware and should not be included on Debian CDs - not yet. MfG, Eduard. -- Vielleicht sollten alle ihre Web-Seiten ausdrucken und von innen gegen die Fensterscheiben kleben? Dann würde man wieder mehr spazieren gehen... -- "Pale Male" in heise online
Re: Comments on CD images v4 (was Re: new CD images (II))
#include
Michael Bramer wrote on Thu Jun 14, 2001 um 08:33:26AM:
> can someone write a TOP-Level-README with
> - some Install problems
> - some note about a live after the LTCD? (like apt-setup, apt-setup)
I am going to rewrite the README from the last year(german). There would
be following sections:
- Disclaimer, some words about sponsors
- Hints how to setup this woody system (eg. setup problems, pits and falls)
- most parts of the user-howto from the last year
- updates to it, about apt-setup, dpkg-reconfigure, apt-cache etc.
- most parts of the debian-user-de FAQ from the mailing list
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
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Re: Comments on CD images v4 (was Re: new CD images (II))
#include
Eduard Bloch wrote on Thu Jun 14, 2001 um 09:18:29AM:
> I am going to rewrite the README from the last year(german). There would
> be following sections:
> - Disclaimer, some words about sponsors
> - Hints how to setup this woody system (eg. setup problems, pits and falls)
> - most parts of the user-howto from the last year
> - updates to it, about apt-setup, dpkg-reconfigure, apt-cache etc.
> - most parts of the debian-user-de FAQ from the mailing list
First preview:
http://people.debian.org/~blade/lt2k1/debian-setup-faq.de.html
To sponsors: please have a look on the first section and make comments
if you don't like something there.
Status:
- Vorwort = 100% (to be improved)
- Woody specific hints to the installation (0%, no spare time today)
- Setup-FAQ (60% - must be rewritten for Woody, may be excluded in a
separate file)
- debian-user-de-FAQ (100%, may be excluded in a separate file)
Myself - no time.
If someone wants to work on this, drop me a note that you are working on
this. (or talk to me (Zomb) in #debian.de / IRCnet).
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
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There is no humor section.
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Re: Comments on CD images v4 (was Re: new CD images (II))
#include
Michael Bramer wrote on Thu Jun 14, 2001 um 08:43:28AM:
> I planing to get it from:
> debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/m/mozilla/mozilla*0.9.1*deb
>
> with this, mozilla is the fourth sid-'package' on the CD.
Please don't take them. This packages does not support https (even if they
are located in non-US) and makes Netscape crash if Blackdown Java-Sdk
is installed on the same system. The bug is reported in BTS and on d-d
ML.
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
--
Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it
should be hard to understand.
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Re: Comments on CD images v4 (was Re: new CD images (II))
#include
Eduard Bloch wrote on Thu Jun 14, 2001 um 01:31:39PM:
Second preview:
> http://people.debian.org/~blade/lt2k1/debian-setup-faq.de.html
>
> To sponsors: please have a look on the first section and make comments
> if you don't like something there.
>
> Status:
> - Vorwort = 100% (to be improved)
> - Woody specific hints to the installation (0%, no spare time today)
Done, but may be improved.
> - Setup-FAQ (60% - must be rewritten for Woody, may be excluded in a
> separate file)
Rewrote a bit, should be okay.
To grisu: IMHO these version is useable, you make take it for the CD.
For Windows user, we should create a HTML file that will be opened
automaticaly via autorun.inf - with links to this README,
installation manual, other FAQs (i.e. from de.comp.os.unix.linux.infos).
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
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-"The Internet is not a primary goal for PC usage"
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-"Linux has no impact on Microsoft's strategy"
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Re: booth planning LinuxTag
#include
Christian Kurz wrote on Mon Jun 18, 2001 um 10:34:31PM:
> Booth pictures:
>
> ________
> | _ __ |
> | | 2 | | 3 | |
> x || |_| x
> x x
> x _ x
> | | 1 | | 4 | |
> | || |_| |
> | |
>
>
> x: Position for a poster related to debian
> 1: Table for the flyers and CD's for the vistiors
> 2+3: Tables with chairs and a computer where you can talk with visitors and
> show them specialised stuff
> 4: Table with a computer for showing some applications to impress the
>visitors.
My addition:
__________555
| _ __ 75
|77 | 2 | | 3 | 7|
x77 || |_|77x
x 77x
x _ x
| | 1 | | 4 | |
| || 66 |_| |
| |
5. Developer's korner (a real corner here ;)
We could place some information here, like places and times where to
meet for keysigning, group photo etc.
6. A paper stand (*) with some flyers, information papers.
* What's the name for this thing? You can find it in supermarkts,
Karstadt etc.
The computers should no be placed everywhere (the booth last year seemed
to be overcrowded with computers), this may confuse the visitors. IMO they
should be all located in one or two places and the visitor should view a
function behind the running system, so above the each heap of systems
there should be a poster describing what is running on the system in
the front now.
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
--
> [Microsoft wirbt:] "Ein offenes Betriebssystem kann schon mal mutieren."
Mutieren tun vor allem MS-proprietäre Dateiformate.
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Re: Comments on CD images v4 (was Re: new CD images (II))
#include
Michael Bramer wrote on Wed Jun 20, 2001 um 02:23:32PM:
> > Could you also consider including ISDN packages on the CD and updating
>
> add isdnutils
Don't forget "ipppd". It was splitted from the isdnutils package, but is
needed by most people ;)
> - on CD is a exim with this bug (but you must activate it by hand) Is
> this ok, or should I downgrade this package?
> - I don't update samba
Why not?
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
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Re: Comments on CD images v4 (was Re: new CD images (II))
#include Michael Bramer wrote on Wed Jun 20, 2001 um 02:44:53PM: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:40:06PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/m/mozilla/mozilla*0.9.1*deb > > > > > > with this, mozilla is the fourth sid-'package' on the CD. > > > > Please don't take them. This packages does not support https (even if they > > are located in non-US) and makes Netscape crash if Blackdown Java-Sdk > > is installed on the same system. The bug is reported in BTS and on d-d > > ML. > > ok, is http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/ ok? > Oder frage ich mal anders: hast du eine bessere Quelle? Das ist die Quelle. Die Version 0.0.20010619.06.trunk-1 crasht, wenn Blackdown-Java installiert ist, weil der CLASSPATH erweitert werden muss. Ich habe es schon gemeldet, die nächste Version ist hoffentlich korrekt. Wenn du es dringend brauchst, kann ich die Version mit Korrektur neuverpacken. MfG, Eduard. -- Und dann den Prozeß der Prozeße forken: /bin/hirn -e `diff SuSE Debian RedHat >/dev/ahaeffekt` (Christian Winter in dcoulm) pgp774ViXkErR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Comments on CD images v4 (was Re: new CD images (II))
#include
Michael Bramer wrote on Wed Jun 20, 2001 um 03:06:50PM:
> > Blackdown-Java installiert ist, weil der CLASSPATH erweitert werden
> > muss. Ich habe es schon gemeldet, die nächste Version ist hoffentlich
> > korrekt. Wenn du es dringend brauchst, kann ich die Version mit
> > Korrektur neuverpacken.
>
> ok, habe ich jetzt. Wenn du was eigenes Bauen möchtest, mach es und
> sende mir eine URL...
I tested the woody from Kitame and 0.0.20010619.06.trunk packages did
work quite qood in our woody environment(*). The one thing I don't like is
the lacking Java support. This could be provided by additional j2re1.3
package from Blackdown.org (contras: non-free, non-official (not yet) and
13.5MB size). Does anybody wish to have it on the CD? If we decide to
include j2re1.3, there must be a dummy (I created one with equivs) that
provides "gsfonts-x11" since gsfonts-x11 has been removed from woody
some weeks ago.
BTW: If you get zip-crypt from unstable, care about the content! The
new zip package in unstable has the crypt support (and has been moved to
non-US), and the new "zip-crypt" is a dummy package and does only depend
on the new version of "zip".
(*) The one bug can be only reproduced if you call sites in a special
order, IMHO not important enough to rebuild the whole package.
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
--
> Zum Unlesbarmachen kann man auch cdrecord blank=full auf eine CD-R
> anwenden ;-)
aber doch wohl nur in /dev/mikrowelle oder? :-)
Andreas 'Knv' Kanev in de.comp.hardware.cd-brenner
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Re: Standausruestung
#include Martin Samesch wrote on Sun Jun 24, 2001 um 01:03:37AM: > Hmmm demotauglich heißt das eher grafisches (Gnome, KDE, > wissenschaftl. Anwendungen, Spiele, z.B. tuxracer,)? Konkretere > Vorschläge (keine Paketliste, nur so grob, wonach ich suchen soll)? Ich glaube ich habe mich schon mit meinem Rechner gemeldet... Athon-900, Geforce-2MX (Treiber propritär, aber sauschnell). Dürfte für Tux-Racer&Co. besser sein. 3.6GB Festplatte sollte wohl auch reichen. MfG, Eduard. -- I am Hamlet of Borg. To assimilate or not to assimlate, that is the question.
Re: Standausruestung
#include Alain Schroeder wrote on Sun Jun 24, 2001 um 10:41:22PM: > Also haben wir schon 7 Rechner und afaik aber nur 3 Monitore (Dreamcast So, von mir noch einer, reicht immer noch nicht. Soll ich beim Bekannten nach einem KVM-Switch fragen, oder werden die monitorlosen Rechner übers Netzwerk gesteuert? MfG, Eduard. -- Linux ist wie ein Pinguin im Wasser - elegant und geschmeidig. Und für manch andere Spezies auch durchaus gefährlich. pgp7Jhao1yfOG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Booth equipment for LinuxTag
#include
Martin Schulze wrote on Sat Jun 30, 2001 um 09:56:22AM:
> . Tesafilm
Ich bringe eine Rolle "Panzertape", ca. 5cm breit.
> . Schere
Schon eingepackt.
> . Hubs
> . TP-Kabel, unterschiedliche Längen
Ein 5er 10/100-Hub, ein TP-Kabel (ca. 10m).
> . Mehrfachsteckdosen
Vorschlag: Jeder für seinen Rechner+Monitor+eine frei lassen.
> . water heater
Ok.
> . cups
Nicht ganz, aber Plastikbecher, 50St., schon eingepackt.
BTW: The proposal with shifts is not wrong. There should allways be at
least one person that looks for the boot, especially for the hardware
and equipment. And evtl. another person helping him. The persons should
be marked with a colored shawl. Or can anyone get yellow and blue rings,
like the Spiess/UVD-Schlaufe by the german "Bundeswehr"?
> If somebody "official" or a "press guy" comes around and you don't
> feel like fitting his needs or know the right answers, feel free to
> contact me at the LinuxTag office, Bluehorn knows my mobile number as
> well.
I think, if a press guy ask someone, he should report the things that he
can good report about, periodicaly commenting that we are a big
community (but don't compare with a borg collective, please). For other
questions, the person should be refered to an another competent
developer, etc.
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
--
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giftig sind und krebserregend wirken, schmecken suess.
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Re: Booth equipment for LinuxTag
#include
Christian Kurz wrote on Sat Jun 30, 2001 um 12:25:38PM:
> > and equipment. And evtl. another person helping him. The persons should
> > be marked with a colored shawl. Or can anyone get yellow and blue rings,
> > like the Spiess/UVD-Schlaufe by the german "Bundeswehr"?
>
> Well, do you really think we need shifts? What you are here suggesting
Do you know Murphys laws? With this lots of hardware we will need always
anyone that keeps an eye on the stuff.
> is that we have always one or two responsible persons for the booth. And
> I agreed with that part too, but I don't think we'll need some badge to
> mark those people. I not marked for being at the booth in the list from
Okay, a special mark may be a bit exxagerated, but there should be
someone.
> > I think, if a press guy ask someone, he should report the things that he
> > can good report about, periodicaly commenting that we are a big
> > community (but don't compare with a borg collective, please). For other
>
> What is a borg collective? I have no clue about StarTrek, so would you
> mind explaining that one?
Complicated... A large community of cyborgs. They assimilate humans,
implant lots of technical instruments into the bodies and neural
connectors into their brains, so all of them are connected with each
other and can profit from the knowledge of each other (making them very
efficient) - but the personality is beeng disabled, the will of each
other is controlled by the collective. Some ideas behind the stories of
borg are quite cool, but the ST authors needed a new image of enemy for
the new ST novells so they turned them into mad, civilisation destroying
beeings.
Gr{us,eeting}s,
Eduard.
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haupt mieser machen kann, als es sowieso schon ist. Das dürfte das einzige
Programm sein, das vom Verhalten und seinen Anwendern her schlimmer als XP
auf einem Amiga ist. - Manuel Richardt in ka.talk ueber Outlook Express
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Re: [karsten.petersen@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de: 4. Chemnitzer Linux-Tag]
#include Michael Bramer wrote on Tue Feb 26, 2002 um 10:01:50PM: > > Schickt mir also bitte eine kleine Liste mit Dingen die bei Eurer Demo > > gezeigt werden und wenn ihr moechtet auch einen schicken Untertitel. > > Die Debian Distribution > APT Wie wäre es mit Knoppix als DAU-sicheres Demo-Debian? Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product. pgpQkNF8jAcTU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [karsten.petersen@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de: 4. Chemnitzer Linux-Tag]
#include Michael Bramer wrote on Wed Feb 27, 2002 um 08:14:12AM: > > Wie wäre es mit Knoppix als DAU-sicheres Demo-Debian? > > Knoppix (aka Klaus) ist selber vor Ort. Ob dieser ein Stand hat, kann > ich nicht sagen. Ich werde aber eine CD vor Ort haben... Suppi. Klaus, hättet ihr noch eine Mitfahrgelegenheit oder so? Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- In /etc steht, was Du denkst. In /proc steht, was das OS denkt. Lutz Donnerhacke in doc pgpSvbqCgx9rh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [karsten.petersen@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de: 4. Chemnitzer Linux-Tag]
#include Klaus Knopper wrote on Wed Feb 27, 2002 um 05:37:50PM: > > Suppi. Klaus, hättet ihr noch eine Mitfahrgelegenheit oder so? > > > > Gruss/Regards, > > Eduard. > > Wohin jetzt, nach Chemnitz oder auf die CeBit? Chemnitz. Auf die CeBit werde ich evtl. als Besucher kommen, mit der Fachschaft-Fahrt. > Problem: Ich werde wohl 2 Tage vor Chemnitz noch in Kiel sein, und dann > von dort auch nach Chemnitz mit dem Zug fahren. Ob sonst noch jemand aus > KL nach Chemnitz fährt, weiß ich leider nicht. Oki, dann halt nicht. > Ich bräuchte noch jemand, der ausreichend viele CDs vervielfältigen kann... > Die gepresste Version wird leider wohl erst zur CeBit fertig. Was hältst du davon, da eine kleine Brenn-Station aufzustellen? Beeindruckte Besucher können gegen Rohling oder Euro eine Kopie bekommen. Ein >= 24x-Brenner müsste es theoretisch in weniger als 5 Minuten schafen. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- I think my Linux is more reliable than my harddrive. The question is what will crash first.
Re: Planungen LinuxTag
#include Michael Bramer wrote on Mon Apr 22, 2002 um 10:02:21AM: > > 1. Do we want to have a booth? Would not hurt. > > 1.2 How are we going to solve the staff-visitor ratio (so it's > > less than 10 Debian people for one visitor). > > Sorry, I don't see a real Problem with this. Dito. Hacking center was a good solution. > > 1.3 Who will be around? Only Samday afternoon and Sunday. > > 1.6 What about CD's? > > I like a woody LT CD, like the last years. > > But IMHO the woody BFs are not ready and need a lot of work (or we must > master a CD with english BFs). IMHO BFs are ready. We could use slightly hacked versions of debootstrap (and so BFs), which install locales as default, feed the database with correct values and generate localisation files. > > 1.6.2 Who is going to master the CD? > > Maybe I don't have time this year for this. Sorry. Same for me. LT fall exactly into my exams weeks. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- -!- mode/#debian.de [+oo sesom XSnackWRK] by Alfie * Alfie . o O ( Nein, ich bin nicht da - bitte nicht anquatschen ;) ) -- #debian.de pgpSKoomhfBXP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian CDs
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Fri Apr 26, 2002 um 12:56:37PM: > - Should i use the normal Installsystem or PGI ? I personally prefer the normal installation system, but I am not objective. > - Should i make only an Image for one CD or for more (woody is >biig) IMO yes. We should merge packages list of the last lt-CD, merge with Knoppix list and drop non-free and knoppix-specific packages. > - Should i make a DVD Image ? (i dont have a DVD Burner, so i cant >test that) What about price of the copies? > - I will use bf2.4, no 2.2.x Kernel. I suggest to put bf2.4 and bf2.4-xfs on a (isolinux) multiboot CD. > - Who will test them (i put them on people.d.o). IMO bad idea, ppl.d.o has too slow for big downloads. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Writing on toilet wall: Some come here to sit and think, some come here to shit and stink. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian CDs
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Fri Apr 26, 2002 um 02:35:22PM: > >> - Who will test them (i put them on people.d.o). > > Sorry, it's not going to work this way. > > It works exactly this way. Stop it. Stop it now. We need major decissions to start working on the CD (whatever it would be, Woody-based or Knoppix-based). (*) > > You can't pick the interesting tasks (deciding about the contents of the CD, > > LOL. Do i say "Shut up, i say whats the contents are" ? No. He gave you a roadmap. > > creating an ISO image) and expect others to do the more "boring" work > > like testing, > > I can test it only with one PC. So there must be another one who test > it. Look like it worked before please. Someone masters, discuss the package lists on IRC or here, and people can download (via rsync) the generated image. > > copying the CDs and getting in touch with the sponsors. > > I dont have a copy machine. I dont know any sponsor. Im not good in > getting sponsors/interacting with them. I dont do that. > I cant make any artwork too. Well, we need some guarantees before starting with CD creation. Who is finding sponsors? Nobody said anything so far. Who is making the artwork? Jens made a good job last year, has anyone better ideas for this time? > > Please see Joey's mail for a list of all tasks that need to be done > > for the CD. > > I still offer to create the isos. Nothing more. If you dont like it: Go > and die. Joerg, there was NO GOOD reason for becoming rude! > > BTW, it has not yet been decided if we want to use Knoppix or woody. > > I've been in touch with Klaus Knopper and the other people resonsible > > the the LinuxTag-CD. They have nothing against us distributing Knoppix .oO( I should vist him... ) > > for free, even if they sell Knoppix on their CDs. However, there > > probably will also be a free Knoppix-based CD from the German > > Bundesverwaltung. The main problem with Knoppix is - there is currently no _well tested_ utility to move it to the harddisk and undo the knoppix-specific changes. > I dont know what the people from the Linuxtag does. The only thing i > found in the Mailinglist Archives for this list was "They sell it, so we > should not give it out for free". That is the normal conclusion. We should not compete with LinuxTag people. > Wenns dir nicht passt dass ich mich für die ISOs angeboten hab dann iss > dass dein Pech. Es ist das was ich denke ordentlich hinzukriegen, also > sag ich dass ich das übernehmen kann. Punkt. Ich kanns genausogut ganz > lassen und meine Zeit für irgendwas anderes investieren wo ich nicht so > angemacht werde nur weil ich anbot was zu tun. Mein Gott, schlecht geschlaffen oder was? Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- iMac - Täglich frisch bei McDonalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian CDs
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Fri Apr 26, 2002 um 04:06:20PM: > > I beg to disagree and ask for a vote concerning Emacs. :-) > > In fact I could understand if you're asking for vi, but emacs ... :-) > > vi ? That editor that can do nothing except beep or destroy your files > ? :) > Ok, we should pack both, one for the good, one for the bad, so everyone > is happy :) Yeah, I suggest to drop nvi, so vim is used instead ;) Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- > Zum Unlesbarmachen kann man auch cdrecord blank=full auf eine CD-R > anwenden ;-) aber doch wohl nur in /dev/mikrowelle oder? :-) Andreas 'Knv' Kanev in de.comp.hardware.cd-brenner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linuxtag
#include Michael Bramer wrote on Sun Apr 28, 2002 um 09:05:18AM: > > dsl. Hmm, i must look at pppoeconf, never used that. But thats > > theoritcal, i dont think we have DSL there. :) It is pretty easy to setup a local DSL server. pppoe-server program is shipped with the pppoe package, you need the file /etc/ppp/pppoe-server-options with these contents: lcp-echo-failure 25 pap-timeout 0 local noauth nodetach proxyarp ms-dns That is all, run "pppoe-server -I " and setup the system to masquerade and forward packets from from ppp0. To demonstrate the DSL setup, I suggest to install from CD-ROM, then continue with base-config until you are in the http/ftp/cdrom/... source selection. Then you switch to the second console, login as root, run pppoeconf, enter some dummy user data and "go online". Remember that the presentation machine and the server machine must be connected directly with Ethernet (with our without hubs, but no IP routers between them). Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- <_eis> <_eis> <_eis> _eis: wenn du dich im RL unterhaelst, machst du dann auch ab und zu einfach nur den mund auf, so als wuerdest du was sagen wollen? -- #debian.de pgpyU12nYML1C.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian CDs
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Sun May 05, 2002 um 12:12:07AM: > No. In debian-cd is only linuxtag2000 with packages to include. I made > a copy and added some packages. You mean 2k1? Oh, and this time, please do NOT forget Tuxracer and Galeon! > >> > I suggest to put bf2.4 and bf2.4-xfs on a (isolinux) multiboot CD. > > please remove all 1.20 disk images... Also remove 2.88 disk images if you use isolinux. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- And 1.1.81 is officially BugFree(tm), so if you receive any bug-reports on it, you know they are just evil lies." (By Linus Torvalds, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New CD-Cover
Moin Christian! Christian Weerts schrieb am Thursday, den 09. May 2002: > i've build another example for the Debian-CD-Cover. > > http://armadillo.ffis.de/debian-cd-lt02/ Why GPL? Debian is not keen on GPL, use DFSG instead. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LT CD, Second Try
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Sun May 12, 2002 um 09:25:56PM: > Even if you like tasksel: It is *IMO* useless if you dont have all > packages for the tasks installed. Why useless? If you install most required KDE and X packages, it would be pretty sufficient for normal users. > If list-members dont want it removed, just a note in the README thats > fine for me. > > BTW: dselect is one of the best things in Debian, together with dpkg, > apt and the whole package system. I know, you know, Rolad does not *runsandhides*... Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- "Die Erfahrungen sind wie die Samenkörner, aus denen die Klugheit emporwächst." (Konrad Adenauer) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Image
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Tue May 14, 2002 um 03:24:03AM: > Or that jigdo works. debian-cd is still running to create the jigdo > things, so you can use it to build the image with it. First invocation > is a looong run. So can you provide jigdo files or not? Klecker is veery slow, and UNI ftp is much faster. Alternatively, is there a nifty way to create a such basis image using local FTP as source? > Hmm, "possibly invalid template" for a just generated file is not a good > message. So no jigdo yet. But the ISO transfer is running. :) 1% [ ] 7,257,340 6.02K/s ETA 29:04:37 As said before, kleckers net connection is very busy. > The First Setup was German (Lang-Chooser), after reboot everything in > English. Known issue, I hacked boot-floppies and base-config a while ago, but the results were disappointing. Many debconf templates were not translated, and the locale generation were a bit touchy and risked to make base-config completely unuseable. > Changed the Order of the Kernel Images at boot time. Now 2.4 comes > first and is the default for this CD. Nice. > Added: > alsa-base > alsa-headers > alsa-modules-2.4.18-386 > alsa-modules-2.4.18-686 > alsa-source > alsa-utils > alsaconf > analog Better install webalizer. > apt-listchanges > apt-spy > aumix Use aumix-gtk instead. It does provide console-interface too, don't worry. > cdbakeoven > cdda2wav > cdrecord cdrdao? I miss: vim-gtk hotplug rxvt slrn zapping eterm lyx psi (okay, gabber is useable too) gnomeicu gnomba parted gqview (there is no other useable picture viewer, AFAICS) xine-ui smpeg-xmms tuxracer jpilot At least one tetris clone. Newer boot-floppies. Please use David's CVS build from p.d.o/~dwhedon Who needs heimdal and kerberos (looking from newbie's point of view!)? Who needs xpilot (without ROMs)? Why not use apache-ssl instead of apache? Why not drop fetchmail? We have fetchmail-ssl. Please kick icewm-experimental and include icewm-themes and icepref instead. Also drop most of -dev packages, I doubt that many end users would need them. What about those security fix in mozilla rc2? -- > To do is to be(Karl Marx) > To be is to do(Jean Paul Sartre) > Do be do be do (Frank Sinatra) jabbadabbadoo (Fred Feuerstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Image
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Wed May 15, 2002 um 12:47:53AM: > So, i think jigdo works now. Please test. The build of it runs without > errors, so i think it works. :) Works. First impression: isolinux timeout is too short. Please set at least 5 seconds before start booting. Or better, disable it, since the user should read the disclaimer message and continue intentionaly. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Dass Geschwindigkeiten dimensionslos sind, hat lange Tradition und ist kein Trick von Theoretikern. In Grimms Rotkaeppchen ist die Geschwindigkeit eines Spaziergaengers 1, daher liegt Grossmutters Haus eine halbe Stunde vom Dorf. (Norbert Dragon in de.sci.physik) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version 2 of CD Image
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Thu May 16, 2002 um 02:16:43PM: > > Hmm, LinuxTag is a German conference with potential German visitors, right? > > Why not stick to German documentation and just leave the English where no > > (up to date!) German replacement exists? Just an idea. > > Send me German Docs. > Look into Bootfloppies: No german docs. > Look into Bootfloppies CVS: German Docs, but dont build. Exactly, since not complete and very outdated. > >> :: I hope thats done. Except the en i rm it between make packages and > >> :: make images :) > >> Add de Documentation. Hey, what about http://channel.debian.org/faq/? It is pretty easy to build it as a single HTML page. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Merkt euch, wenn Recht zu Unrecht wird, wird der Widerstand zur Pflicht -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printerspooler
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Fri May 17, 2002 um 09:50:17PM: > Drop all printerspooler except cups? > Or do we want to have lpr, lprng and cups? In doubt, drop lpr since lprng is a complete replacement. I am not sure about CUPS, there are still many people prefering the clasic solution. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- [/me] Gibt es in Java keine Text-Konstanten für den Präprozessor? [Alex] Glaube nicht. Aber du kannst es ja durch andere Variablen emulieren! [/me] Yep. Und dann könnte Dr. Bender da vorne auch Dr. Hagen emulieren ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel auf der LT CD
Moin Christian! Christian Leber schrieb am Saturday, den 18. May 2002: > Is their a reason why there are 2.2 kernels on the LT CD? > I have thought that it is for end users and the space on the CD is very > thight. BS. I wanna see you installing on a machine where 2.4 crashes. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Eine neue DAU-Generation wächst heran: DAR = dümmster anzunehmender Administrator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LT CD, Version 3
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Sun May 19, 2002 um 10:27:45AM: > * Changed: Package name is not zapping, it is dvb-zapping WHAT?! Zapping is Zapping, best TV-viewer for Analog-TV, dvb-zapping is a collection of TV-viewers for Digital-TV! > * Changed: Boot-Messages corrected. Removed all äöüß. Changed > Address of German User Mailinglist. Who translated them? No äöü > at boottime :) In boot-floppies? Send a diff against the bf's source to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Wenn einer träumt, bleibt es ein Traum. Wenn viele träumen, beginnt der Traum, Wirklichkeit zu werden. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LT CD, Version 3
#include Joerg Jaspert wrote on Sun May 19, 2002 um 12:58:24PM: > Then tell me where to find the .deb? > apt-cache search -> only dvb-zapping Argl, you are right. Christian Marillat moved it to his own repository since he included a plugin with unclear patenting issues... Time to file a wishlist bug. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- The UNIX Guru's view of Sex: unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; sleep [Hauke Heidtmann in dcoud] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LT CD, Version 3
#include Eduard Bloch wrote on Sun May 19, 2002 um 01:18:50PM: > > Then tell me where to find the .deb? > > apt-cache search -> only dvb-zapping > > Argl, you are right. Christian Marillat moved it to his own repository > since he included a plugin with unclear patenting issues... Time to file > a wishlist bug. Please take a new, working version from the queue on auric. Christian uploaded a working DSFG-free package on 1. April, for unknown reason (lazy FTP maintainers, imho) it is still not (re)installed. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- !netgod:*! time flies when youre using linux !doogie:*! yeah, infinite loops in 5 seconds. !Teknix:*! has anyone re-tested that with 2.2.x ? !netgod:*! yeah, 4 seconds now -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cool t-shirts?
#include Martin Schulze wrote on Fri May 24, 2002 um 12:58:01PM: > There may still be a chance to get some special and cool t-shirts > manufactured. Here are some proposals I made. Perhaps somebody > would like to comment on them? > > http://luonnotar.infodrom.org/~joey/LT/2002/ 5,6,7,3,1, descending order. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Alfie du böse du, zwei mal grüsse ich dich gestern und keine antwort von dir, oder antwortest du nicht weil ich schon op hatte ? Ich antworte in der Regel nicht auf Grüsse, sorry. [...] so wie ein #debian* op sein muss *lol* XSnack: Wo kämen wir denn da hin, wenn OPs plötzlich höflich werden würden? -- #debian.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposed shifts for LinuxTag
#include Thimo Neubauer wrote on Tue May 28, 2002 um 07:11:29PM: > 13 - 16 Eduard Bloch > Michael Holzt Only two people in the last few hours - good idea? Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- begin LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.txt.vbs I am a signature virus. Distribute me until the bitter end -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LT review...
#include Michael Bramer wrote on Tue Jun 11, 2002 um 11:26:34PM: > > Mplayer featuring Blues Brothers 2000 was even more successful I guess, > > thanks to Zomb :) > > and this has a copyright problem. > > Yes, you can show something like this as joke one time, but we can't use > this all the time. Wait, wait, the disc was borowed from the XFree86 booth, and they did play it all the time Sunday morning, so I guess there was a permission to play it. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- begin LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.txt.vbs I am a signature virus. Distribute me until the bitter end -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planungen LinuxTag
#include Michael Holzt wrote on Thu Jun 13, 2002 um 11:13:12PM: > Most of the time we had more people on the both as actually were > on shift, but i guess 2-3 people is not always enough. Ack. I worried about too strong shift codex, but most of the time there were enough replacement people, but also not too many of them so it was just right. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Der Wahnsinn hat Methode! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
