Re: Still no TeX in CD#1
Philip Charles wrote: > [ snipped ] Yes, but this does *not* answer my question at all: kernel-image-* packages do not belong to any task, are any of them more popular than tetex-bin? I believe they are not, but the only data I have to backup such statement is the popularity-contest data from the debian-cd package. If you have more recent data, *please* show it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still no TeX in CD#1
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: > Yes, but this does *not* answer my question at all: > > kernel-image-* packages do not belong to any task, are any of them more > popular than tetex-bin? I believe they are not, but the only data I > have to backup such statement is the popularity-contest data from the > debian-cd package. If you have more recent data, *please* show it. Tex has always been the next task to be included on CD1. So if a consesis of which of the following images can be moved to a later CD then it will find its way there. A number of images have already been moved. This list have some errors. Package: kernel-image-2.2.20 Package: kernel-image-2.2.20-compact Package: kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci Package: kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs Package: kernel-image-2.2.20-udma100-ext3 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-386 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-586 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-586tsc Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-686 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-686-smp Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-k6 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-k7 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-386 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-686 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-k6 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-386 Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-586tsc Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686 Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686-smp Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k6 Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k7 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sell GNU/Linux & GNU/Hurd CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still no TeX in CD#1
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Philip Charles wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > Yes, but this does *not* answer my question at all: > > > > kernel-image-* packages do not belong to any task, are any of them more > > popular than tetex-bin? I believe they are not, but the only data I > > have to backup such statement is the popularity-contest data from the > > debian-cd package. If you have more recent data, *please* show it. > > Tex has always been the next task to be included on CD1. So if a consesis > of which of the following images can be moved to a later CD then it will > find its way there. A number of images have already been moved. This > list have some errors. > > [ snipped list of kernel images ] I wonder why those images have to be in CD #1 at all. The functionality of "being able to boot the system" is well served by whatever kernel is installed by the boot floppies. If you insist that they must go in CD #1, leaving more popular packages in CD #2, we could put the less popular kernel-images in CD#2, one at a time, until TeX fits in CD#1. For this we would need the most recent popularity contest data, the one in debian-cd is quote old (from 2001). Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still no TeX in CD#1
What about putting kernel-source-2.4.18 and kernel-source-2.2.20 in CD #1 instead of the individual kernel-image-* packages? This would leave a lot of room for TeX and maybe i18n as well. (Currently kernel-source-2.4.18 is in CD #6, according to the latest jigdo file I have). The bad thing about those kernel-image-* packages is that normally you only want to install one of them, so there is a lot of wasted space in CD #1. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What kernel stuff on CD1? Was Still no TeX in CD#1
I have been convinced. What kernel images, packages, source, patches do we want on CD1? At the moment we have, rough list. Resubmitted in case you have deleated it. What no source! Phil. Package: kernel-image-2.2.20 Package: kernel-image-2.2.20-compact Package: kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci Package: kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs Package: kernel-image-2.2.20-udma100-ext3 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-386 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-586 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-586tsc Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-686 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-686-smp Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-k6 Package: kernel-image-2.4.16-k7 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-386 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-686 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-k6 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-386 Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-586tsc Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686 Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686-smp Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k6 Package: kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k7 Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 On Fri, 24 May 2002, Santiago Vila wrote: > What about putting kernel-source-2.4.18 and kernel-source-2.2.20 in CD #1 > instead of the individual kernel-image-* packages? This would leave a > lot of room for TeX and maybe i18n as well. > > (Currently kernel-source-2.4.18 is in CD #6, according to the latest > jigdo file I have). > > The bad thing about those kernel-image-* packages is that normally you > only want to install one of them, so there is a lot of wasted space in CD #1. > -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sell GNU/Linux & GNU/Hurd CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
About the improving of 1st debian CD (there are some 'duplicates',etc.)
Hi, I found some 'duplicates' in the 1st debian CD: emacs20-dl_20.7-14.3_i386.deb - ~10MB emacs20_20.7-13.1_i386.deb - ~9MB emacs21_21.2-1_i386.deb - ~12MB I understand - emacs is a very goot thing, but I think 3 different versions of emacs in the1st CD is a luxury. Maybe only one, newest version, would be enough for the 1st CD? Then ~20 Mb will be freed from 1st CD. I think in the first CD should also be: - some good apt frontends. Now there is only dselect in 1st CD. I think there should be more user-friendly apt frontends: at least one text-mode apt frontend, like aptitude (1MB) and one graphical, like stormpkg (~100 kb), see woody release notes - http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-newdistro - " <...> To replace the aging, much-maligned, yet still popular dselect, many apt frontends have been in development during the woody release cycle. Interested users should investigate the aptitude package <...> hardware, better autodetection support"; - most users need automatic hardware detection system (discover - ~150kb) and user-friendly network configuration tool (etherconf - ~20kb) packages; - User-friendly configuration tools, developed by Progeny: python-configlet (35kb), configlet-frontends (20kb), timezoneconf (30kb), localeconf (20kb); - gnumeric (because KSpread is already in 1st CD, 3MB + some depended packages); - xservers-v3.3.6 (14MB). All these packages (except maybe xservers-v3.3.6) should fit in 1st CD if we remove some 'duplicates' (like 3 versions of emacs) and maybe some not very useful for beginners packages (like erlang_8.0-4_i386.deb - 13MB or libopenh323-dev_1.7.4-6_i386.deb+ libopenh323-dbg_1.7.4-6_i386.deb - 7MB) I think in 1st CD shouldn't be a lot of *-dev or *-dbg (debug version) packages. It would be very nice if small and fast window-manager IceWM would be in 1st CDd too, but it is not a necessity. In my opinion task "Desktop Environment" should be spitted into 2 tasks: "GNOME Desktop Environment" and "KDE Desktop Environment", because most users use mainly one - GNOME or KDE and just sometimes some programs from other. The installation of Debian will be much more user-friendly and Debian OS will be simpler to use (especially for the beginners), if the packages, mentioned above, are included in the 1st Debian CD. Mantas Kriauciunas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What kernel stuff on CD1? Was Still no TeX in CD#1
On May 24, Philip Charles wrote: > I have been convinced. > > What kernel images, packages, source, patches do we want on CD1? > > At the moment we have, rough list. Resubmitted in case you have deleated > it. What no source! Certainly all the 2.4.16 packages could go; there's no point in having them and 2.4.18 as well. FWIW I'd ditch the whole lot of precompiled images (they're not on my CDs any more), especially since most are already on the CD as part of boot-floppies, but that's just me. kernel-source-2.2.20 and kernel-source-2.4.18 are probably the most useful; I'd add pcmcia-source and kernel-package too. (I also added kernel-patch-2.2-ext3 for good measure; maybe some other patches would be nice if they're small.) Chris -- Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What kernel stuff on CD1? Was Still no TeX in CD#1
We can drop 2.4.16 since we have 2.4.18 (I think this is already done). If we add kernel-source-2.4.18 and kernel-source-2.2.20, these are the popularities in decreasing order: kernel-image-2.2.20 418 kernel-source-2.4.18 150 -- we could cut here kernel-image-2.4.18-686 29 kernel-source-2.2.20 28 kernel-image-2.4.18-k718 kernel-image-2.4.18-k612 -- or maybe here kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp 10 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686 6 -- or maybe here kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc4 kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 3 kernel-image-2.4.18-386 3 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k7 2 kernel-image-2.2.20-udma100-ext3 2 kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs 1 kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci1 kernel-image-2.2.20-compact 1 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k6 0 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686-smp 0 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-586tsc 0 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-386 0 The number at the right is the fourth number in the `all-popcon-results.txt' file in http://www.debian.org/~apenwarr/popcon/ (downloaded today) which seems to be the significant one for the kernels. I would start dropping packages from the end of this list upwards until the TeX task fits (btw: tetex-bin is used regularly by 715 entries in the contest). Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About the improving of 1st debian CD (there are some 'duplicates', etc.)
Title: Re: About the improving of 1st debian CD (there are some 'duplicates', etc.) Le Fri, May 24, 2002 at 01:53:23PM +0100, Mantas K. écrivait: > we remove some 'duplicates' (like 3 versions of emacs) and maybe some not > very useful for beginners packages (like erlang_8.0-4_i386.deb - 13MB or > libopenh323-dev_1.7.4-6_i386.deb+ libopenh323-dbg_1.7.4-6_i386.deb - 7MB) > I think in 1st CD shouldn't be a lot of *-dev or *-dbg (debug version) > packages. Take care, some packages may be there because they are part of a task. Double check that before deciding to exclude a package from CD1. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/~raphael/ Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com
Re: What kernel stuff on CD1? Was Still no TeX in CD#1
Same list adding pcmcia-source: kernel-image-2.2.20 418 kernel-source-2.4.18 150 pcmcia-source 81 kernel-image-2.4.18-686 29 kernel-source-2.2.20 28 kernel-image-2.4.18-k718 kernel-image-2.4.18-k612 kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp 10 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686 6 kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc4 kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 3 kernel-image-2.4.18-386 3 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k7 2 kernel-image-2.2.20-udma100-ext3 2 kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs 1 kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci1 kernel-image-2.2.20-compact 1 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-k6 0 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686-smp 0 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-586tsc 0 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-386 0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What kernel stuff on CD1? Was Still no TeX in CD#1
Title: Re: What kernel stuff on CD1? Was Still no TeX in CD#1 Le Fri, May 24, 2002 at 11:11:13PM +1200, Philip Charles écrivait: > What kernel images, packages, source, patches do we want on CD1? Those we already have. Check tasks/exclude-woody : we're excluding kernel-image-2.4.16-*. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/~raphael/ Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com
Re: upgrading potato to woody with 3.0pre6 CDs
Michael Knoop wrote: > I had exactly the same problem. When I ran "apt-get --simulate install > dpkg apt debconf" it showed problem packages in square brackets after > packages it was "installing". Using this information, and stumbling around > for awhile, I finally found that running "apt-get remove libdb2" began a > rather extensive upgrade process that fixed things so I could continue with > the first step of "apt-get dpkg apt debconf" as before. By the way, the > extensive upgrade process actually reinstalled libdb2 after it removed it. So it looks like a problem with dependencies? Does anyone know a way to debug this? Some --verbose or --debug=sth option? Do you think anything would change if I tried with the whole seven CD set instead of just the first four? Is there any success report on upgrading potato to woody with these disks? After all it's going to be one of main uses of Debian CDs. It should better work, doesn't it? M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: About the improving of 1st debian CD (there are some 'duplicates',etc.)
Hi again, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Take care, some packages may be there because they are part of a task. >Double check that before deciding to exclude a package from CD1. I know, but we can split task between 1st and 2nd CD or remove for example *-dev packages from task and create one more task for *-dev packages. I see some people think about TeX in CD#1. TeX is good for advanced users, but most distributions now include in 1st CD packages for beginners, hardware autodetection packages, user-friendly package managers, etc. Then with only one CD you can install a working desktop system. If are advanced user - you can simply install more packages from internet or next CD's. For example I don't use KDE and KOffice at all, but think this is good idea put these packages in 1st CD, because a lot of beginers uses KDE and KOffice. Same is with Gnome. But this is not good, when KSpread is in 1st CD, but Gnumeric only in 2nd. We should think not only about us, advanced users, but about other users, especially beginners, too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
