Re: [Debconf-team] Fwd: DebConf11 official reconfirmation of the winner
Hi Adnan, On Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010, Adnan Hodzic wrote: > > Nope, bad call :) As the decision has been taken by the DebConf Team, I > > believe you should ask *them* to provide that letter, not me. Once the > > letter is ready, I'll have no problem in adding my signature to it > > (after having read it, obviously). > > So could I have that letterhead? I guess its best & easiest if you write the letter yourself and we sign it :-) cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] T-shirt plan - order placed!
Hi, do I understand correctly, that no video shirts are being made? regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] t-shirt status update [#2]
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:38:48 -0300, Valessio Brito wrote: > Thanks Holger, I update SVG: > > http://valessiobrito.info/projetos/debconf/debconf10/t-shirt-back-end.svg > (all logos in one color, back t-shirt) *cough* Erm, I think you're missing this one: http://hands.com/~phil/debconf/hands_com_logo.svg also available as: http://hands.com/~phil/debconf/hands_com_logo.ps http://hands.com/~phil/debconf/hands_com_logo.eps sorry to mess up the design, as it's looking rather nice as it is. Cheers, Phil. P.S. I know my donation's under the limit, but it's actually getting closer all the time, as the dollar plummets slightly faster than the Pound. Today it's a bit over $1800.00 (unless Steve's already sent it), and we can probably pretend that VoIP is worth the other 200.00, so it's not even cheating any more if anyone asks :-) -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560]http://www.hands.com/ |-| HANDS.COM Ltd.http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| 10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London E18 1NE ENGLAND pgpjippn3eeUR.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] t-shirt status update [#2]
I have not seen the sponsorship on the site. There is more than any other sponsor that is not on site and must in this shirt? hands.com credative, too? more? 2010/7/7 Philip Hands : > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:38:48 -0300, Valessio Brito > wrote: >> Thanks Holger, I update SVG: >> >> http://valessiobrito.info/projetos/debconf/debconf10/t-shirt-back-end.svg >> (all logos in one color, back t-shirt) > > *cough* Erm, I think you're missing this one: > > http://hands.com/~phil/debconf/hands_com_logo.svg > > also available as: > > http://hands.com/~phil/debconf/hands_com_logo.ps > http://hands.com/~phil/debconf/hands_com_logo.eps > > sorry to mess up the design, as it's looking rather nice as it is. > > Cheers, Phil. > > P.S. I know my donation's under the limit, but it's actually getting > closer all the time, as the dollar plummets slightly faster than the > Pound. Today it's a bit over $1800.00 (unless Steve's already sent it), > and we can probably pretend that VoIP is worth the other 200.00, so it's > not even cheating any more if anyone asks :-) > -- > |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] http://www.hands.com/ > |-| HANDS.COM Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ > |(| 10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London E18 1NE ENGLAND > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > -- ://ValessioBrito.info > Comunicação e Tecnologia call: +55 71 VALESSIO ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] t-shirt status update [#2]
Hi, On Wed Jul 07, 2010 at 08:01:56 -0300, Valessio Brito wrote: > I have not seen the sponsorship on the site. There is more than any > other sponsor that is not on site and must in this shirt? > > hands.com > credative, too? > more? credativ (without the e at the end). Bernd Zeimetz sent the SVG to Jimmy yesterday. Cheers, Martin -- Martin Zobel-Helas | Debian System Administrator Debian & GNU/Linux Developer | Debian Listmaster Public key http://zobel.ftbfs.de/5d64f870.asc - KeyID: 5D64 F870 GPG Fingerprint: 5DB3 1301 375A A50F 07E7 302F 493E FB8E 5D64 F870 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] meeting minutes?
Is anyone working on summarizing the meeting? Many people couldn't stay for the full 101 minutes and it seems some decisions were made that need to be documented. Other issues might benefit from some list discussion. Without minutes it's hard to know. NB: It does not need to be the chair who does this. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Changing talks schedule?
There was a discussion in the Monday meeting about changing the talks schedule to try to avoid some of the costs for extra security gaurd coverage in CEPSR/Shapiro (the talk & bof room building). If I understand correctly, the idea is to start talks at 9:30 and reduce lunch from 2 hours to 1.5 hours. Which mean all talks before lunch need to start 30 minutes earlier and those after lunch 1 hour earliers. If this is indeed agreed, then the schedule needs to be updated in penta. iirc, Jimmy did something very similar to this once before with some sql when 9:00 am was deemed to be too early to start and 1 hour too little time for lunch. If the UPDATE used was saved somewhere, I'm failing to find it. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Changing talks schedule?
On Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > If I understand correctly, the idea is to start talks at 9:30 and reduce > lunch from 2 hours to 1.5 hours. is the eating area and the kitchen big enough to cater us all in 1.5h? how much money does that safe? is it really worth it? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Changing talks schedule?
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:23:50 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mittwoch, 7. Juli 2010, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > > If I understand correctly, the idea is to start talks at 9:30 and reduce > > lunch from 2 hours to 1.5 hours. > is the eating area and the kitchen big enough to cater us all in 1.5h? > how much money does that safe? is it really worth it? [Attendee's voice from the back of the audience, feel free to disregard completely.] I was following the "unmeeting" on Monday, and when this idea came up I had a slight "WTF?!" moment. Even almost two days later, I still consider the idea to deprive all participants of half an hour of sleep and half on hour of recreation time over lunch in exchange for USD 275 not a good deal; that saves roughly 0.1% of the whole budget or USD 0.75 per participant [0] at the cost of an -- in my opinion -- significant cut into "quality of life". I was close to transferring EUR 219 to ffis during Monday's meeting, earmarked with "DebConf10 - SOS (Save Our Sleep)" :) Again, please feel free to just ignore my thoughts. -- And thanks for your hard work on making this yet another great DebConf! Cheers, gregor [0] I hope I got at least the magnitude of the numbers right ... -- .''`. http://info.comodo.priv.at/ -- GPG key IDs: 0x8649AA06, 0x00F3CFE4 : :' : Debian GNU/Linux user, admin, & developer - http://www.debian.org/ `. `' Member of VIBE!AT & SPI, fellow of Free Software Foundation Europe `-Dammit Jim, I'm an actor, not a doctor. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] t-shirt status update [#2]
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:01:56AM -0300, Valessio Brito wrote: > more? drop.io and SFLC, I think. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] T-shirt plan - to be executed soon!
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 06:50:11PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > Hi, > > Since the contentious meeting yesterday, we've all gotten more sleep, more > ideas have been discussed, and over $5k of additional sponsorship has come in. > Hopefully we can all approach these decisions more calmly now. :) That said, > we > still don't want to waste money. The T-shirts really need to get ordered ASAP, > since Gaby needs 15 days from when we give the advance payment and then > shipping takes 3-7 days (closer to 3 given the geography). So, here's my plan, > unless there are significant objections: > > * We give everyone an attendee shirt (purple since that was one of two colors > preferred and I heard objections to canary from some people). > > * We also give "staff" shirts (black) to everyone who deserves a "you helped > us > out" shirt of any variety. > > * The cost of the extra shirts will be partially or fully offset by selling > extra shirts for $10 to those who want them. We could collect pre-orders on a > wiki page, sell on-site on Debian Day, etc, depending on how much we want to > deal with the hassle of on-site merchandise sales. If we restrict the sales to > Debian Day only I think the hassle of doing it on-site for the one day is > tolerable given the probable benefit. > > * I already know one of our sponsors wants 10 extra shirts, which at a price > of > $10 pays for roughly 15 other shirts beyond those 10. I may buy a couple > myself. I think that we should order 600 shirts, which includes the 435 which > Marga calculated we need plus 165 for sales (including the 12 I just > mentioned). I am told by Joerg, Moray, and Steven Gran that in past years > where > we've sold shirts, we've sold 150-200, and at DebConf6 we had to do several > printings and still ran out, so this is realistic. > > * If any people receiving a "staff" shirt don't want their normal attendee > shirt, or if any attendees don't want their normal shirt, they can give it to > us unworn to include in the sale at the $10 price, to help our budget. > > If at least one or two people say they like this idea and nobody objects to it > by the time I go to sleep tonight (not before 04:30 UTC / 12:30am NYC time), I > will place the order with Gaby, and will pay her tonight or tomorrow depending > on feasibility. If nobody gives an opinion either way by 16:30 UTC / 12:30pm > NYC tomorrow, I'll go ahead at that point given the urgency. This really wasn't enough time for objections to be raised. It was noted in the meeting that seperate VideoTeam shirts are a significant motivating factor. It doesn't cost any more to have video people get a video shirt instead of a staff shirt, does it? Is the order locked in with Gaby already? -edrz (who doesn't even want shirts for himself ...) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] What are our objectives?
1) Some people seem to have budget targets in mind, but it is unclear to me what they might be. I know that in a flame war from what seems like months ago, conflicting opinions about proper fiscal responsibility were espoused. So what are we trying to achieve with the budget? 2) Many of the people in the sponsorship queue claim not to be able to afford a single cent of their travel costs: not a single penny. Still a certain contingent assumes that they can pay for transit, food, and entertainment on the day trip. If these people without any money at all can afford the day trip, can they also afford to pay for food during DebCamp? Since we obviously do not take people's assertions at face value, how can we determine what is actually affordable by attendees, and cut any unnecessary sponsorship accordingly? 3) In terms of slashing budgeted expenses, many people seem to think a few hundred dollars in one place is a worthwhile and necessary cut, yet the same amount in a different area is minuscule and ridiculous to even talk about. How can we determine which sacrifices are acceptable and which would drastically undermine the quality of DebConf or Day Trip life? 4) There are myriad opinions on this list and some of the people actually doing work on the conference get demotivated by them. There are many messages I would like to reply to, but avoid doing so because it would lead to further conflict. How can we get everyone with an opinion to contribute meaningfully to the success of this conference in ways that will not make everyone else quit in disgust? My snide undertones are fair game for calling out. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Poll for Global Team Meeting July 9th-July 14th
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 04:43:48PM -0400, Pablo Duboue wrote: > All times in UTC > > http://doodle.com/rictpzi3aum48sew There are currently 8 responses. Saturday the 10th at 19 or 20 UTC is the current best fit. That's not very far away, so we should end the polling soon. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Next global team meeting: Saturday 10th at 19UTC
See you there! P. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Poll for Global Team Meeting July 9th-July 14th
> There are currently 8 responses. Saturday the 10th at 19 UTC is in. Let me send an e-mail to the list and update the topic on -team. P. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] proposed talks scheduling adjustment
hey folks-- On IRC, biella brought forward a concern about the scheduling of Eben Moglen's talk. To address it, I'd like to propose Plan A: a shift of the schedules to accomodate Eben's request to have his talk earlier than day 6: * move eben's talk (641) from day 6 to day 3 -- keep same time and place. * move all talks in the enterprise track later by one hour. This means talks 559, 589, 578, 556, 647, and 588 advance (actually, 589 will jump lunch as a result, so it should move forward by 3 hours instead of 1 -- assuming we haven't done the discussed lunch rescheduling business) * move guido trotter's talk (529) to the morning of day 6 (10am). A simpler change (plan B) to accomodate a day shift for Eben would be to just directly swap Eben's talk (641) with Guido's talk (529), but that would put Eben at the end of the day, and my impression is that a morning slot was desired). I think i could make all these changes by hand myself, but i'm not convinced that i should do so without feedback from the rest of debconf-team. I'm also not keen about making a lot of changes like this one, but i think this case is reasonable. Other thoughts? --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] What are our objectives?
Quoting Clint Adams (sch...@debian.org): Hi Clint, Not quoting anything but more "reacting" to your whole mail. As I happened to send a mail with personal opinions about options for the day trip.*and* that happened after a meeting which I didn't attend and was clearly not the easiest one for everybodyI feel the need to add a few comments. At least, please accept apologies if anything that I wrote in this mail (that can be summarized to "I'm not sure funding the baseball game is a good idea")appeared to be beating an old horse. That was purely personal opinions and not really intended to "influence" a choice in anything and even more not intended to bring trouble. Even though I follow -team for years and have always felt concerned by issues related to debconf orga, I have never been involved in core orga, so my advice is much less important than the advice of ppl who *do* things, particularly for this Debconf, which is definitely not the easiest to organize. You maybe had other things in mind when sending your mail but at least, if some bits were directly or indirectly the consequence of my own mail, I hope this one will confirm that I would feel sorry for this and that nothing was intentionally criticizing anything. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] proposed talks scheduling adjustment
On 07/07/2010 02:47 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > hey folks-- > > On IRC, biella brought forward a concern about the scheduling of Eben > Moglen's talk. Hi, I thought I would give a bit of background as to why I have requested to move his talk. We had let Eben Moglen know that he could change his talk if the time did not work out. I had a chance to meet with him yesterday about his talk and his general participation at Debconf and it is clear that he and the SFLC (Software Freedom Law Center) want an active presence at Debconf. His talk, which will be about alternatives to cloud computing, is something he would love to talk to developers about post-talk and over the course of a number of days. Having his talk on Day 6 is not ideal for allowing him to talk to developers in any depth and breadth after his talk. Given this and given that he has gone out of his way to help Debconf (in sponsorship and will help with PR), I requested the change of schedule. I think it makes a lot of sense to have him earlier and I was only able to get the necessary information yesterday so apologize over the delay. I am on this list but only as digest so please cc me if you need to respond. Thanks, Biella Gabriella Coleman, Assistant Professor Department of Media, Culture, & Communication New York University 239 Greene St, 7th floor NY NY 10003 212-992-7696 http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/faculty_bios/view/Gabriella_Coleman ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] T-shirt plan - order placed!
Hi Holger and Eric, On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 11:10:42AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > do I understand correctly, that no video shirts are being made? Under the current plans, every person who deserves an orga, volunteer, or video-team shirt based on past criteria will get a "staff" shirt. Regarding the decision process, see below. On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 10:45:12AM -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote: > This really wasn't enough time for objections to be raised. It was noted > in the meeting that seperate VideoTeam shirts are a significant > motivating factor. It doesn't cost any more to have video people get a > video shirt instead of a staff shirt, does it? I'm really sorry that I wasn't able to take the time in this case to fully address everyone's concerns. In past situations where I solicit feedback from a large group, I almost never give as little time for feedback as I did this time, and for exactly the reason Eric said. I don't expect to make a habit of giving short response times in the future, either. However, I did need to accelerate the process relative to my usual patterns, because of the timeframe issues I said at the start of the email. It takes Gaby up to 15 days after the first payment to ship the shirts, and 3-7 days after that for them to arrive. This already puts us into mid-DebCamp territory. We don't have the time to wait a couple of days for feedback, or to schedule a t-shirt meeting, or any of those things that would otherwise be good to reach a rough consensus. That said, I did try to navigate between the various wildly different opinions to pick some reasonable middle ground that enough people could be happy with, and that I would be able to order quickly without having to add significant delays asking various teams about how many of each role/size/gender combo to get. I realize I didn't do a perfect job, nor am I claiming that I did. I am claiming that I did my best to ensure we have T-shirts for the conference as timely as possible with as little problematic budgetary impact as possible. > Is the order locked in with Gaby already? We have placed the order but I have received neither a confirmation nor payment instructions from Gaby yet. If someone wants to get me a list of which of the "staff" shirts should be switched to "video" shirts, and figure out what the three shirts' color breakdown should be, and take responsibility for any people who get pissed off by any of those revisions which they don't like, I can submit a change request to Gaby. If all of that is true AND someone wants to take responsibility for possibly making our order late, we can spend more time discussing. I ordered the exact set of 80 "staff" shirts which Marga proposed in her email. > -edrz (who doesn't even want shirts for himself ...) The budget will appreciate the opportunity to sell yours, then. - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debconf.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Poll for Global Team Meeting July 9th-July 14th
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Pablo Duboue wrote: >> There are currently 8 responses. Saturday the 10th at 19 UTC > > is in. > > Let me send an e-mail to the list and update the topic on -team. > > P. Suggestion. In the future, we may want to list in the original email opening the poll, when the poll will close. (I incorrectly assumed I would have at least 48 hours to respond.) As it stands it is highly unlikely I will be able to make a midday Saturday meeting. Please let me know if there are any questions for me. Also, I will make sure someone (probably Richard) who is attending represents any business I have to report. Thanks, Brian > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DebCamp food ideas
Hi, While Micah, Clint, and I were talking last night, we got some ideas regarding food for DebCamp. We weren't sure which were good ideas, but some could save us money or simplify things. ( Context: So far, we had planned for and budgeted for DebCamp being just like DebConf. Then we thought, since it's more informal, could we change it up some? ) - How much food sponsorship is promised during DebCamp? I seem to recall it not being given all past years, depending on location. However, even if not promised this year, so far people are expecting to have it. - We could sponsor just lunch, and let people go out for dinner (with some plan for those who can't afford it). - We could do bulk take-out orders and eat outside/in dorms. - Related to the above: One meal in john jay, one not. Examples: lunch=JJ, dinner=let people go out. / dinner=JJ, lunch=go out or bulk takeout orders. Any thoughts on these ideas? Since DebCamp is more informal, we can maybe do some of these strategies save money and maybe simplify things (though JJ for all debcamp meals is pretty simple, but requires advance planning, may have logistics we need to work out, and costs more). - Richard -- | Richard Darst - rkd@ - boltzmann: up 351 days, 23:01 |http://rkd.zgib.net - pgp 0xBD356740 | "Ye shall know the truth and -- the truth shall make you free" ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] WRL (debit card) phone chat
Hi, I spoke with a friendly corporate accounts rep Ron at WRL on Tuesday, as planned, to discuss how they could meet our requirements. Here are the important takeaways from the chat (except for one, see below): Pricing === * Per-order cost: $2.95 per card plus $21.95 shipping * Under the program we're planning to do, there would be no time-based fees (e.g. recurring maintenance charges) * Setup cost: $500 (covered by SPI general funds not Deb* funds) * The ability to restrict usage by MCC is new, so Ron needed to investigate what any costs are related to that. It also might cause us to receive MasterCard instead of VISA, but the two card brands are 100% interchangeable for our purposes, including pricing and acceptance among restaurants. * They don't usually share residual amounts left over on cards for purchases under 500-1000 cards, but Ron will ask about it for us. * There is no special rate for 501(c)(3) nonprofits, and they don't charge sales tax on the cards. Tracking and controlling usage = * We would be able to put names on the cards at no extra cost * We can view online which card numbers (last 8 digits) correspond to which person, and which have been activated, at no extra cost, but we can't see their balance or transaction details due to privacy laws. We can also have them mass-activated if we want. * They will see if they are able to implement a shorter validity period than the usual 6 months, since we don't want them to be valid post-DC10. * They don't have the ability to put sub-limits on per-day/per-card purchases Overall quite a positive chat. He said he'd get back to me by close-of-business today (Wednesday); since he didn't, I'll follow up tomorrow. (<-- ACTION ITEM) The one big question: Ron said that many restaurants authorize the card for an additional 15-20% to allow for a tip. If the customer tips less than the excess authorized amount or tips in cash instead, the remainder of the money goes back on the card in 5 business days, which obviously doesn't work for us. I've heard about this practice, and I had assumed it didn't apply where tipping is uncommon like fast-food and counter-service restaurants; he said it was even true at Burger King. It's possible that it may be common elsewhere in the US but not in NYC. Can someone who has actually used a debit (not credit) card at such places in NYC clarify what actually happens? If we can resolve that question, I think we're good to go on this for weekends and the daytrip day. (For reference, I told him that we'd be ordering roughly 185 cards, which I calculated by adding sponsored-food + sponsored-food+accom + prof/corp in Richard's registration data text file, and that $150 would be the most common amount per card. In retrospect I realize I meant $75/card; that's 6 meals averaging $12.50 each.) - Jimmy Kaplowitz ji...@debconf.org ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
