Re: [Debconf-discuss] skills exchange offer: emacs org-mode
I'm expecting a tool that works for me. Not a tool to work for.. El 14/08/2013 07:50, "Gunnar Wolf" escribió: > Jose Antonio Quevedo dijo [Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:54:29PM +0200]: > > Here is another one interested in this skill. > > I use emacs but this is the very first time I hear about this > > functionality, so if you prepare it I will happily join you. > > Sure! > > El 13/08/2013 19:45, "Rémi Vanicat" escribió: > > ...Make sure to show off also Org-mode's great abilities to convert > very easily formatted/marked-up text into beautiful outputs via its > many exporters. I do not use org-mode as a time-keeper / agenda / > organization thingy, but have found it a *great* tool for writing! > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] git-buildpackage session
Op 2013-08-14 om 00:04 schreef Giovanni Mascellani: > > Well, let's try to find something better, although there won't be many > possibilities. I would like to put this tutorial on the 15th, because on > the 16th there are things I would like to participate to for more or > less the whole day and I think it's better to avoid the last day (if not > other, just to leave it free for other interesting events that will pop > up in the meantime). > > During 15th, the other two slots that I'm available to sacrifice are > 11.30 and 15.30. This results into three available slots (I take the > freedom to consider my availability as mandatory!). I set up a Doodle > for voting: > > http://www.doodle.com/iyhc2iwfb6up22xn > > Please vote ASAP, because I don't know when I'll make the final decision. > > I don't think we'll find something good for everybody, but let's try to > minimize at least! :-) > Just reloaded http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/day_2013-08-15.en.html but didn't find it yet. Please announce the time and place. Cheers Geert Stappers ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] git-buildpackage session
Op 2013-08-15 om 09:20 schreef Geert Stappers: > Op 2013-08-14 om 00:04 schreef Giovanni Mascellani: > > > > Well, let's try to find something better, although there won't be many > > possibilities. I would like to put this tutorial on the 15th, because on > > the 16th there are things I would like to participate to for more or > > less the whole day and I think it's better to avoid the last day (if not > > other, just to leave it free for other interesting events that will pop > > up in the meantime). > > > > During 15th, the other two slots that I'm available to sacrifice are > > 11.30 and 15.30. This results into three available slots (I take the > > freedom to consider my availability as mandatory!). I set up a Doodle > > for voting: > > > > http://www.doodle.com/iyhc2iwfb6up22xn > > > > Please vote ASAP, because I don't know when I'll make the final decision. > > > > I don't think we'll find something good for everybody, but let's try to > > minimize at least! :-) > > > > Just reloaded http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/day_2013-08-15.en.html > but didn't find it yet. > > Please announce the time and place. > For those who follow the thread, this is from another thread: Op 2013-08-15 om 07:58 schreef Giovanni Mascellani: > Hi all. > > Il 14/08/2013 23:35, Giovanni Mascellani ha scritto: > > At last it seems that we'll do the git-buildpackage tutorial on > > 2013-08-15 at 11.30. Dear people at talks@dc.o, could you please > > schedule the event? Is the BOF room number 2 available for scheduling > > events there? > > Quick follow-up: I confirm the time and location (11.30, BOF room number > 2), but they won't be added to the schedule (events in BOF 2 cannot be > added to the schedule). It's a secret magic tutorial, you can find only > if you know where it is. That is made in order to confuse the Fedora and > Arch spies at DebConf and don't let them know the power of git-buildpackage. > > See you later, have a nice breakfast with a lot of sticky jam! > > Gio. > -- See you in about two hours in BoF room 2 Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] CERN Open Days
Hi All Not everyone interested had the chance to visit CERN yesterday. So I wanted to point out that CERN will open its Doors September 28th - 29th to the public: http://opendays2013.web.cern.ch/ In addition there will be the possibility to visit some of the underground areas during the Open Days. (Registration for that, should start any day now.) Nicola ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Daytrip with mountainbike
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:11:28PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:55:14AM +0200, Albert Dengg wrote: > > > > > Is anyone prepared to lend me a bike and I'll go with the cyclists? > > well since i did not find any bike so far, i wish you i nice bike trip. > > Uhh, thes message came to late to my vision - my bike would have > probably liked sniffing some mountain air. > > Hope you had a great daytrip anyway (as I did) well...it was not an organized one, i was on my own but it was nice, thx. albert signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] ANN: BoF moved: Freesoftware and Education -> 2013-08-06 (day 6) 14:30 BoF room 2
Hi all, Due to an interest overlap of the X2Go talk (Mike Gabriel) and the Free Software and Education BoF (Andreas Mundt), Andreas and I agreed this morning to move the Freesoftware and Education BoF (originally day-7, 9:30h) to another time slot and another room. So, this event (which is still in Penta): http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/events/963.en.html has been moved (in coordination with Tiago) to BoF room 2, 2013-08-06 (day 6), 14:30h In case the above event gets remove from Penta too soon (Tiago, could you?), here is the announcement text that is currently still to be found in Penta: """ The Free Software movement with loads of educational software and related (hardware) projects like Arduino and Raspberry Pi provide great tools to teach technology as well as spreading spirit and advantages of sharing knowledge and ideas. The idea of this meeting is to exchange ideas and experiences related to the use of Free Software in schools and other educational institutions in an informal way. Everybody interested is invited to present own projects and ideas, problems and of course solutions! Depending on the list of participants, we can in addition discuss what improvements in Debian would be nice to further improve/simplify the use of educational software. """ We hope for all the Edu people joining in. We also hope that taking BoF room 2 at 14:30h does not conflict with any other group that plans using BoF room 2 for that time slot (I scanned debconf-discuss for any announcement for that slot). Greets+Regards, Mike (and Andi) -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgp3CrA17Skjx.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] debian workflows exchange
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM, David Kalnischkies wrote: > On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 4:19 PM, alberto fuentes wrote: > > In the newbie session yesterday come out the idea of how the mundane > > easy task for some people in their daily debian's work, is really > > interesting for others just to watch "over their shoulders". > > As a "newbie" I liked the idea instantly in the session, but as the wiki > is still surprisingly empty, lets just add something myself: > "APT debugging 101 – a guided tour through dependency hell" > (officially: "Debugging (dist-)upgrades in APT") So, just for the record (its also on the wiki): Tomorrow (2013-08-16) right after the last pre-lunch dinner (12:15) in BoF 1. So that instead of lining up endlessly for dinner, I can "entertain" you for maybe 15-30 minutes (or whatever it takes to reduce the line-length ;) ). Best regards David Kalnischkies ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Java Meeting at debconf
Le mercredi 14 août 2013 07:04:15 Thomas Koch a écrit : > Ioan Eugen Stan scheduled a Java Meeting at debconf > Unfortunately he could not make it to debconf. I think we should still meet > and discuss current state and matters of Java in Debian. > > Is there anybody who would volunteer to collect topics and moderate the > session? Could anybody please reply with topic proposols to this mail (on > debian-java list only)? Just a follow-up on this for people not following debian-java list : "Java packaging in Debian" BoF [0] will be held by Sylvestre Ledru and me at initial planned location/date [1]. To make this BoF efficient, please contribute your ideas/subjects to discuss on gobby [2] document [3]. [0] https://penta.debconf.org/penta/schedule/dc13/event/985.en.html [1] thursday - BoF room 1 @ main building lower floor - 17:30 [2] https://www.debconf.org/wiki/BofHowTo#gobby.debian.org [3] debconf13/bof/Java ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Assassins: good activity during the daytrip
Even though the daytrip is never a good moment for dangerous killers to perpetrate their awful actions, yesterday's daytrip was quite fruitful in terms of decreasing the DebConf population. Indeed, 4 kills happened, apparently all of them on the boat (I'm awaiting confirmation from the victims and killers to grant them the promised bonus point). I hope killers could then steal their victim's Parfait du Val de Travers ice-cream, which was indeed a very well-chosen dessert (I wonder who did make this choice.). We now have 22 people left in them game. Please notice that I might be introducing a new rule from Friday noon for the last 24 hours of the game. It will be unveiled some time tomorrow morning. I will then also announce the official ending time for the game and the moment where results will be announced. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Group running today (Thursday) 19:30
I play to go running today at the end of the day, after dinner. http://www.openrunner.com/?id=2821196 The run is somehow hilly but, for once, begins with 2km down and 1km flatbefore a quite though climb in the woods. THat climb is on a very nice trail along a small river. After 8km, we'll reach the Mutrux cemetery (view over Mont-Blanc a bit before sunset is expected) and we'll then go back down through the forest on a quite good shape track (so, even though the light is low, there is no risk of injuries). Total length: 13km. Total positive climb: 355m. Expected duration: between 1h15 and 1h30 Meet up at the foutain Bikes are welcome, though the trail up might be sometimes difficult for them. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] x strike force bof?
Hi, Steve Langasek suggested holding an X Strike Force BoF. Please let me know if anyone else would be interested (and what times would work for you) and I'll try to get a slot, if it's not too late. Thanks, Julien ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] day trip tracks
Hi, I forgot to bring my GPS recorder during the Debian trip and I'd love to have the following tracks: * the long trail track of the last group (those who got lost for a while ;-) ) * the boat trip Does anyone have them and want to share them? Thank you very much! Mònica ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] x strike force bof?
Hi, I would be interested. For the time just pick one and I will try attend. Cheers Mike On Aug 15, 2013 12:03 PM, "Julien Cristau" wrote: > Hi, > > Steve Langasek suggested holding an X Strike Force BoF. Please let me > know if anyone else would be interested (and what times would work for > you) and I'll try to get a slot, if it's not too late. > > Thanks, > Julien > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Structuring Mentor Program Session BoF room 2 18h
As an outcome of Asheesh's "how other FLOSS communities mentor" talk were getting together at 6 in BoF room 2 to work on structuring the Debian mentoring program. Penta doesn't allow to post or reserve this room, this here should do. cheers, K -- Kevin Mueller Neubrückstrasse 55 CH - 3012 Bern Phone +41 31 301 89 61 Mobile +41 78 614 00 66 mailto:ke...@urbanfields.net GPG 0xFE224440 Twitter: kevinmoilar signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Salmiakki available at the bar
It is my pleasure to let you know that Monty of the MariaDB project has just brought 4 bottles of Salmiakki to the bar, which are now standing by the stickers exchange box and are free for grabs. Please don't take the bottles just like that, but fill yourself a cup. Memories of DebConf 5 come back. And even if not: enjoy! -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf13: Vaumarcus, Switzerland: http://debconf13.debconf.org "the duration of passion is proportionate with the original resistance of the woman." -- honoré de balzac digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Werewolf session 19:30
To avoid another late night session, we're starting at 19:30 tonight. We will have 16 seats available, and we introduce a number of new roles and rules. If you are interested in discussing their implementation, show up a little earlier. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf13: Vaumarcus, Switzerland: http://debconf13.debconf.org "when women love us, they forgive us everything, even our crimes; when they do not love us, they give us credit for nothing, not even our virtues." -- honoré de balzac digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Werewolf session 19:30
hi, On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 01:44:13PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > To avoid another late night session, we're starting at 19:30 > tonight. We will have 16 seats available, and we introduce a number > of new roles and rules. If you are interested in discussing their > implementation, show up a little earlier. At which location? Thx. Regards, cstamas -- CSILLAG Tamas (cstamas) - http://cstamas.hu/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] day trip tracks
Hi Mònica, On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:15:33PM +0200, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote: > I forgot to bring my GPS recorder during the Debian trip and I'd love to > have the following tracks: > > * the long trail track of the last group (those who got lost for a > while ;-) ) I was in the group who was running straight behind Didier and did not cared about additional tourism. ;-) The track is uploaded to OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tillea/traces/1529242 > * the boat trip Sorry I did not mind about the boat trip since I fixed the landing position of the boat in OSM some days ago (so we were actually able to land). Hope this helps Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] day trip tracks
+++ Mònica Ramírez Arceda [2013-08-15 12:15 +0200]: > Hi, > > I forgot to bring my GPS recorder during the Debian trip and I'd love to > have the following tracks: > > * the long trail track of the last group (those who got lost for a > while ;-) ) > * the boat trip > > Does anyone have them and want to share them? I logged most of the boat trip (but did not have a fix for the first few mins). In fact I logged the whole day, pretty much. Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM http://wookware.org/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] DC13 photos for the venue folks
Photographers! The folks behind Le Camp would really like to add a picture or two of our use of their space to their website. They are aware of licencing/copyright issues and won't just pull anything off the Web, but if you've made a photo that you think shows off really nicely how our conference blended in with the campus, and you would make it available for Le Camp to be published on their website, then let Didier know (or myself). Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf13: Vaumarcus, Switzerland: http://debconf13.debconf.org sex an und für sich ist reine selbstbefriedigung. digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Werewolf session 19:30
also sprach Csillag Tamas [2013.08.15.1353 +0200]: > At which location? BoF room 1. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf13: Vaumarcus, Switzerland: http://debconf13.debconf.org "there's someone in my head but it's not me." -- pink floyd, the dark side of the moon, 1972 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] sbd want to give a gpg skills-exchange session?
On Sunday, August 11, 2013 11:27:02 AM Thomas Koch wrote: > Is anybody here who could provide us the same insight into GPG and would > like to do a Skills Exchange Session about it? Helmut Grohne volunteered to do this SkillsExchange session this evening 18:30 in the Second talk room. I tried without success to get this session officially scheduled through penta so I just hope that the room will be free. Thomas Koch ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] EUR -> CHF
> >> I'd be happy to exchange CHF to EUR or to Dollars, > >> since I brought far too much CHF which I won't need > >> thanks to the great bar prices :) > > After changing 200 CHF back to EUR I'm OOM (out of money). Last 30.- I'll keep for myself. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Aikido
Hi all, Just to let you all know that we will have another Aikido session today at 8 pm at the fireplace below the flagpole. So if you are interested and would like to join just come along. -- Wolodja 4096R/CAF14EFC 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Aug 16, 15:30 BoF room 2: Ideas to document the process in security-team
Hi there, During the security BoF, two days ago, the lack of documentation was one of the main issues. Document Debian security process is complicated. It is hard to have a overall view and a detailed reference at the same time in an easy-to-update way. So, in BoF room 2, at 15:30, tomorrow Aug 16, let meet and sketch how this document should look like. Cheers, luciano ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Java Meeting at debconf
Hi Thomas, I'm not subscribed to debian-java, so cc:ing both lists - sorry. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 07:04:15AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > Ioan Eugen Stan scheduled a Java Meeting at debconf,2013-08-15, 17:30 : > https://penta.debconf.org/penta/schedule/dc13/event/985.en.html > Unfortunately he could not make it to debconf. I think we should still meet > and discuss current state and matters of Java in Debian. > Is there anybody who would volunteer to collect topics and moderate the > session? Could anybody please reply with topic proposols to this mail (on > debian-java list only)? I won't be able to attend this BoF, but there is a topic related to java packaging that I would appreciate it if you guys would take up for discussion. In January 2012, I took a stab at porting the maven-debian-helper cdbs rules to dh(1); posted the patch to the pkg-java-maintainers mailing list, and solicited feedback: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-java-maintainers/2012-January/036726.html I got a small amount of feedback initially, but had a hard time getting any further engagement around it at the time. Could the Debian Java folks have a look at this proposal - and the questions I had regarding the necessary interfaces - and discuss how this could be moved forward? In light of the "debhelper comaintainers" topic earlier in the week, this seems like a good time for us to put our heads together. Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Aug 17, 10:30 BoF room 2 - Debian Security Team: How can we fix our documentation?
On Thursday 15 August 2013, Luciano Bello wrote: > So, in BoF room 2, at 15:30, tomorrow Aug 16, let meet and sketch how this > document should look like. Ups.. I mixed up the place, the day and the timeslot. The BoF for improving Security Documentation will be: Saturday 17th, 10:30. BoF room 1 http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/events/1079.en.html Cheers, luciano ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Special session of Lightning Talks, today at 20:00, second talk room
Hi all, After some interesting conversations with other contributors in the last days, Enrico and I decided that it would be good to have a space to share ideas and good practices in hobbies, jobs and life in general that could be useful in Debian. Are you a volunteer for other projects (not necessarily IT related) or just enthusiast about something (from chess to knitting, from maths to BDSM, from running to poetry)? What lessons have you learned there? What can be re-used to make Debian a better operating system and a better community? Come tonight at 20 to the second talk room and tell us! The format of the event will be similar to lightning talks, but somewhat more informal. Feel free to prepare something, even just some notes, but don't worry too much about making it perfect. See you tonight, Francesca and Enrico ps: because this is the first time we do it and we would like everyone to be comfortable in sharing stories about personal life, this session *will not be recorded*. -- "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint is more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey... stuff" The Doctor, Doctor Who (3x10, "Blink") signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [CH] Job openings in Liip AG, Fribourg
Hi all, As you might have seen from debian-jobs [0] in June, my employer [2] and sponsor of DebConf13 is hiring talented Web Developers (DevOps, Moodle, Drupal, etc) and values FLOSS background, web experience and skills. If you are interested in discussing job opportunities at Liip in Switzerland (offices in Lausanne, Fribourg and Zürich), please come see either me (OdyX) or Kevin (kevinmoilar). We are looking forward to discuss with you! Cheers, OdyX [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-jobs/2013/06/msg1.html [@] http://www.liip.ch/ Le mercredi, 19 juin 2013 15.12:11, Didier Raboud a écrit : > Liip offers multiple work-life balance advantages such as part-time > work, parental leave, great education budget, and so on. Liip also > offers a very FLOSS-friendly atmosphere by encouraging employees to > take part and responsibilities in open-source projects. > > Finally, although the offers linked above are currently only in > german, one can very well work in french or english, although > fluency in at least one swiss official language is recommended. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] CERN Open Days
Hi all CERN just published a press release (see below): The registration to underground is now open. Nicola -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: CERN Press Release: CERN Open Days: bookings to visit the underground facilities are now being taken - Communiqué de Presse du CERN : Journées Portes Ouvertes du CERN : les réservations pour visiter les installations souterraines sont ouvertes Date: Thursday 15 August 2013, 15.00:52 From: Rolf Heuer Version française ci-dessous CERN Open Days: bookings to visit the underground facilities are now being taken Geneva, 15 August 2013. From today, CERN will be taking bookings for visits of its underground facilities during the Open Days. From 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. on 28 and 29 September, members of the public will have a rare opportunity to visit one of CERN's underground sites. Two points of the Large Hadron Collider, CERN's flagship accelerator, will be open to visitors, as will its four main experiments and the SPS, another underground accelerator. As the capacity for underground visits is limited, access to the underground facilities will be by reservation only, and tickets must be obtained from the CERN Open Days website. For safety reasons, children aged 12 or under will not be admitted to the underground sites. Each person will be able to reserve up to four tickets, which will be valid for a specific day and timeslot. The tickets, which are free of charge, will be made available on the site progressively over a four-week period. CERN operates state-of-the-art scientific instrumentation, particle accelerators and detectors, in the pursuit of fundamental knowledge about matter and the Universe. Its largest accelerator, the LHC, is an underground ring measuring 27 kilometres in circumference that smashes tiny particles into each other. Their collisions are analysed by several detectors, including in particular four huge machines measuring tens of metres in height and length, packed with millions of sensors. The LHC is fed by a chain of accelerators, the last of which is the Super Proton Synchrotron (SPS), housed in an underground tunnel measuring 7 kilometres in circumference. As well as the underground facilities, the public will be able to discover 35 other exciting sites where CERN's activities increase our knowledge, such as laboratories, the Computer Centre, accelerators and experiments accessible on the surface and technical facilities. Visitors will have the chance to meet scientists, engineers and technicians, who will explain the discoveries and technologies of the world's largest particle physics laboratory. All visits and activities will be free of charge. In view of the large number of visitors expected, certain roads will be closed to traffic. No parking for the general public will be available on the CERN sites, so visitors are strongly recommended to use public transport and the shuttle-bus service provided for the event. These shuttle buses, for which there will be no charge, will make regular trips between the external car parks and the CERN visit sites. Each visitor will be entitled to a free ticket for one return trip to the Open Days, valid on all public transport within the Unireso Tout Genève zone, courtesy of our partner for the event Transport Publics Genevois (Geneva's public transport system). To reserve tickets for the underground visits and for practical information concerning all aspects of the Open Days, please consult the website: http://www.cern.ch/opendays2013/. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Journées Portes Ouvertes du CERN : les réservations pour visiter les installations souterraines sont ouvertes Genève, le 15 août 2013. Aujourd'hui, le CERN ouvre les réservations pour visiter ses installations souterraines lors des Journées Portes Ouvertes. Les 28 et 29 septembre prochains, les visiteurs auront en effet l'opportunité exceptionnelle de visiter l'un des sites souterrains du CERN. De 9 h à 20 h, le grand public pourra accéder à deux points du Grand collisionneur de hadrons, l'accélérateur géant du CERN, ainsi qu'à ses quatre grandes expériences, et au SPS, un autre accélérateur souterrain. Les capacités de visites souterraines étant limitées, les accès seront réservés aux seuls visiteurs munis d'un ticket de réservation obtenu sur le site des Journées Portes Ouvertes du CERN. Pour des raisons de sécurité, les installations souterraines ne seront accessibles qu'aux personnes de plus de 12 ans. Chaque personne peut réserver jusqu'à quatre tickets, valides pour un créneau horaire et un jour donnés. Les tickets, gratuits, seront progressivement mis en ligne sur une période de quatre semaines. Pour faire avancer les connaissances fondamentales sur la matière et l'Univers, le CERN fait fonctionner des instruments scientifiques de pointe, des accélérateurs et des détecteurs de parti
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Salmiakki available at the bar
Quoting martin f krafft (2013-08-15 13:43:18) > It is my pleasure to let you know that Monty of the MariaDB project > has just brought 4 bottles of Salmiakki to the bar, which are now > standing by the stickers exchange box and are free for grabs. Please > don't take the bottles just like that, but fill yourself a cup. > > Memories of DebConf 5 come back. And even if not: enjoy! Great! Sipping on it for an hour by now. Party! - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] x strike force bof?
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:23:34 +0200, Michele Cane wrote: > Hi, > > I would be interested. For the time just pick one and I will try attend. > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 13:52:14 +0200, Eric Anholt wrote: > I'd be interested. Cool. Would saturday morning (sometime between 10:30 and lunch) work for you, say in bof room 2? (I don't know how to check if that room's available though) Cheers, Julien ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] x strike force bof?
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 06:21:02PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:23:34 +0200, Michele Cane wrote: > > I would be interested. For the time just pick one and I will try attend. > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 13:52:14 +0200, Eric Anholt wrote: > > I'd be interested. > Cool. Would saturday morning (sometime between 10:30 and lunch) work > for you, say in bof room 2? (I don't know how to check if that room's > available though) WFM! -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] x strike force bof?
Is it possible tomorrow? I will not be able at all to join on saturday. Cheers Mike On Aug 15, 2013 6:56 PM, "Steve Langasek" wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 06:21:02PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:23:34 +0200, Michele Cane wrote: > > > I would be interested. For the time just pick one and I will try > attend. > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 13:52:14 +0200, Eric Anholt wrote: > > > > I'd be interested. > > > Cool. Would saturday morning (sometime between 10:30 and lunch) work > > for you, say in bof room 2? (I don't know how to check if that room's > > available though) > > WFM! > > -- > Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS > Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. > Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ > slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Planning to leave DC13 by public transport?
On 15/08/2013 4:18 PM, martin f krafft wrote: Here is some information for those of you planning to leave DC13 by public transport. I am driving (rental/hire car) from Debconf to Geneva on Saturday afternoon between 4 and 5 pm. I have four empty seats; passengers welcome. Drop me an email and/or see me, and be infront of Zwingli in time! ;) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Canon powershot charger
Anyone have a battery charger for a Canon powershot or similar model? Camera is not charging via USB.. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Canon powershot charger
On Thursday, August 15, 2013 06:13:58 PM Joey Hess wrote: > Anyone have a battery charger for a Canon powershot or similar model? > Camera is not charging via USB.. I've got an universal charger that I suspect to be working with a very broad variety of batteries. Thomas Koch ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] BOF: mini-debconf with a special twist - Friday 20:00
Hey all, As I already wrote in the debian-women mailing list, I'm thinking of organizing a mini-debconf where all the speakers are female. Some people have said that they would be interested in helping and/or supporting the idea, and so it might be nice to have a quick chat about this before DebConf ends. So, if you are interested, then please come tomorrow at 20:00 at the second BOF room. -- Cheers, Marga ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Couchsurfing Request
Is there anyone Swiss that preferably lives in or nearby Yverdon - or otherwise in Geneve, Neuchatel, Bern or Zurich? The first bus to Bosnia is leaving on Tuesday so I need somewhere to stay until then! -- Its not the COST, its the VALUE! ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] The days after DC13
Hi all, I have two days in Switzerland after DebConf and so far I have no plans. Any hints about affordable places to visit/stay would be very welcome. I have a tent but I know nothing about camping sites nearby. Anyway, I'm also wondering if there're more people in the same situation. If so we could have a wikipage like we did for DC10 (https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/TravelCoordination). Regards, -- .''`. Tiago VazGPG : 1024D/A504FECA : :' : http://acaia.ca/~tiago XMPP : tiago at jabber.org `. `' tiago at debian.org IRC : tiago at OFTC `-Debian GNU/Linux - The Universal OS http://www.debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
Le 15 août 2013 01:08, "Adam Borowski" a écrit : First, some context : I'm trying to efficiently store a huge nfs-root farm (objective: 500+), therefore the perf impact should be very limited. I don't bother dedup inside files. I'm only aiming at deduping whole files. > There are two ways: I'm exploring a third way, entirely userspace (I'll draft a mixed one at the end). For that I'm using the "hardlink" package. It does operate on the file level, in userspace. It has some serious drawbacks : * bugged on a race condition when changing files * once hardlinked, one cannot write in the file anymore. It has to be written as a new one then replaced using rename(2). Despite these it has huge benefits : * Nil performance impact. * Asynchronous (offline) deduplication can be scheduled off peak hours. * usable in old-stable kernels > * a nice and clean way. The kernel interface would need to be "hey kernel, > I think the block in fd 1 offset 0 might be same as a block in fd 2 offset > 4096, care to compare and perhaps combine them?". So all the cleverness of *what* to merge would only happen in userspace ? What would be the impact of a runtime read ? > Offline (a confusing name, it's a mounted filesystem but at a later time) It can even be done asynchronously, by registering an inotify on it, and then queuing the dedups in a userspace daemon. > See how much fun can we have with data structures? > And the best of all, the kernel needs just a single syscall, with all the complexity done in userspace. That's the whole beauty of it. You then create a whole ecosystem of softwares to address that complexity in every different manner possible :) Now, the mixed approach I promised earlier : As pure userspace take is not ideal, I was thinking about adding a FUSE in-place layer than would synchronously copy deduped-hardlinks on write. Could be triggered by a open(w) or a real write(). Else than that, just offer a raw, native, access to every other fileops. Steve. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] BOF: mini-debconf with a special twist - Friday 12:30
> So, if you are interested, then please come tomorrow at 20:00 at the second > BOF room. I had forgotten that tomorrow is the birthday party. female mini-debconf meeting moved to 12:30. Let's have lunch together on the lawn. -- Regards, Marga ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Couchsurfing Request
Am Donnerstag, den 15.08.2013, 20:59 +0200 schrieb Zlatan Todoric: > Is there anyone Swiss that preferably lives in or nearby Yverdon - or > otherwise in Geneve, Neuchatel, Bern or Zurich? > > The first bus to Bosnia is leaving on Tuesday so I need somewhere to stay > until then! > We (my wife and I) can give you a free ride to Ljubljana this Sunday if you manage to come to Kreuzlingen on Saturday evening/night on your own. We will leave on Sunday around 09:00 or 10:00 in the morning, since we need to be in Slovenia in the late afternoon/early evening. If you like you can also spend the night from Sunday to Monday in Ljubljana (we will be staying in a small apartment with a spare bed, not a hotel) - also for free, of course. Sadly the train ticket from "Concise, Camp de Vaumarcus" to "Kreuzlingen" is pretty expensive (90 CHF) according to www.sbb.ch - and even more worse: you loose an evening/night at Le Camp... > ___ > Debconf-discuss mailing list > Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Early departure at 18th August
Quoting Taku YASUI (t...@debian.org): > Hi all debconf13 attendees, > > As you may know, 18th August, departure day of debconf13 is Sunday. > We have no public buses until 08:11 "Concise, Camp de Vaumarcus" in > Sundays (*1). > > (*1) http://debconf13.debconf.org/travel.xhtml#timetable > > So, if you need to depart before 8:11, we have to try to find any > other transportation > method. Then, Gaudenz creates new "Early departure" section into > Travel Coordination > page. Please input your departure information to following table (*2) > if you need early > departure. It makes us easy to coordinate, I hope. > > (*2) > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/TravelCoordination/Departure#Early_departure As of now, six people "registered" there (plus Antonio Terceiro who probably needs either to go to Geneva on Saturday evening). That fits into two trips, one leaving Le Camp at 05:00 and another one leaving at 07:00. For the moment, that can fit in my car and I can handle driving the relevant people. If more people register we might need to check with Le Camp about the minibus. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] When you miss your train in Switzerland...
Hi. This email is mostly for asking some advice to people that know more than me train rules in Switzerland. Basically, I'm coming back home by train, and I have a rather tight changing time in Biel (3 minutes). I may miss the leaving train. Fortunately I have a backup solution, taking another train a bit later and still arriving in Zurich in time for the train to Salzburg I have to take. The question is: is the same ticket that I would buy for the first solution still valid for the second one? The change would be: IC 1543: Biel 20.46 -> 21.56 Zurich With: RE 2978: Biel 20.52 -> 21.17 Bern IC 743: Bern 21.32 -> 22.31 Zurich (which is quite tight too, but at least I have one more hope...) Can someone more experienced than me of Swiss trains give me advice? (in case it helps, the general picture is: from "Concise, camp de Vaumarcus" to "Villach HBF", the solution that leaves on 2013-08-17 at 19.11 on sbb.ch) Thank you very much. Gio. -- Giovanni Mascellani Pisa, Italy Web: http://poisson.phc.unipi.it/~mascellani Jabber: g.mascell...@jabber.org / giova...@elabor.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Assassins: new rule to be introduced tomorrow
19 assassins left alive. 2 current leaders with 5 kills. Maybe one is
after the other one, who knows? ;-)
Tomorrow a new rule will be introduced:
Your Almighty ${DEITY} is angry to see how happily you people are
murdering each other. As a revenge, survivors will have to fear My
Anger starting from tomorrow 14:00 up to the end of the game (which I
currently schedule for Saturday 14:00).
${DEITY} will be allowed to burn you into ashes with the help of The
Holy HandSock of Antioch. ${DEITY} assaults can be witnessed by
anybody and still remain valid (after all, I am ${DEITY}, am I
not?). The only way to stop ${DEITY} attacks is by handing Me a piece
of cheese, or reaching the Bar (The Bar is a Sacred Place, where only
Peace, Beer, Cheese and Happiness shall happen). A piece of cheese
will buy you 3 hours of invicibility against The Holy Sock of Antioch.
Assassins survivors, you've been warned, watch your back and get
cheese at breakfast.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Assassins: new rule to be introduced tomorrow
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:02:24PM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> The only way to stop ${DEITY} attacks is by handing Me a piece
> of cheese,
What a plot do get more cheese! Please do not store it for next
DebConf's C&W party!
Have fun,
(ghosty) Andreas.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 09:17:01PM +0200, Steve Schnepp wrote: > Le 15 août 2013 01:08, "Adam Borowski" a écrit : > > First, some context : I'm trying to efficiently store a huge nfs-root farm > (objective: 500+), therefore the perf impact should be very limited. > > I don't bother dedup inside files. I'm only aiming at deduping whole files. > I'm exploring a third way, entirely userspace (I'll draft a mixed one at > the end). > > For that I'm using the "hardlink" package. So you're using a filesystem with the capability you want, without actually using it. The "clone" ioctl does a copy-on-write link, without changes of semantics involved with hard links. > It does operate on the file level, in userspace. It has some serious > drawbacks : > * bugged on a race condition when changing files bedup lessens this flaw by briefy marking the file as immutable. This means a write attempt when the file is being linked results in a permission failure rather than data loss. Lower level support is needed to eliminate races entirely. > * once hardlinked, one cannot write in the file anymore. It has to be > written as a new one then replaced using rename(2). You said you're on btrfs. If for some reason you want to be filesystem independent, you can instead go with iunlink, a hack included in the vserver patch. It adds a new xattr file flag that causes marked hardlinks to cow the file when you try to write to it. This is less efficient that btrfs: it operates on a file rather than block level, but works with most filesystems. You just need to apply a kernel patch. > Despite these it has huge benefits : > * Nil performance impact. Not nil, it's in the best case same as both of btrfs ways. Ie, nil during read, but you need to actually hash the files. Oh, and unlike btrfs, you need to hash EVERYTHING rather than just modified files. And as anyone who tried to rsync a big disk knows, even statting is often a matter of half an hour+ on rotational disks. A btrfs-aware tool can enumerate changed files without having to stat anything else. > * Asynchronous (offline) deduplication can be scheduled off peak hours. Same. > * usable in old-stable kernels Ok, that's one point. If you insist to run an old kernel, though, you'd still want at least iunlink so you don't risk data corruption with hardlinks. Because if something writes to a file that used to be identical, the other copy is overwritten as well. > > * a nice and clean way. The kernel interface would need to be "hey > > kernel, > > I think the block in fd 1 offset 0 might be same as a block in fd 2 > > offset > > 4096, care to compare and perhaps combine them?". > > So all the cleverness of *what* to merge would only happen in userspace ? Yes, in all of ways listed so far. BTW, it turns out the syscall I mentioned is on its way to getting merged after all: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/26331 > What would be the impact of a runtime read ? Nil, obviously. That's the whole point of built-in cow. You want noatime, obviously, but it strange it's not the default everywhere already. > > Offline (a confusing name, it's a mounted filesystem but at a later time) > > It can even be done asynchronously, by registering an inotify on it, and > then queuing the dedups in a userspace daemon. That'd be effectively online dedup, with all usual flaws but costing you an extra write + read compared to ZFS (assuming equally competent implementations, which might be not true). > > And the best of all, the kernel needs just a single syscall, with all the > > complexity done in userspace. > > That's the whole beauty of it. You then create a whole ecosystem of > softwares to address that complexity in every different manner possible :) The risky part is in the kernel, userspace can't destroy data here, at most be less efficient than possible. > Now, the mixed approach I promised earlier : > > As pure userspace take is not ideal, I was thinking about adding a FUSE > in-place layer than would synchronously copy deduped-hardlinks on write. > Could be triggered by a open(w) or a real write(). Ie, iunlink but with an extra layer of kernel<->user copying, which carries a serious performance loss. -- ᛊᚨᚾᛁᛏᚣ᛫ᛁᛊ᛫ᚠᛟᚱ᛫ᚦᛖ᛫ᚹᛖᚨᚲ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Special session of Lightning Talks, today at 20:00, second talk room
Hi again, thank you very much for everyone who showed up at the session and big thanks to all the speakers. The session was really a success, and it definitely has been (at least to us) food for thought. Cheers, Francesca and Enrico ps: I have been asked if it's possible to have an anonymized summary of the session. @ all speakers: is it ok for you? I haven't taken notes but I think I'll be able to remember the main points of each talk. -- "Nessuna conquista è per sempre. C'è sempre qualcuno che è interessato a toglierla. Per cui resistere non è solo un dovere, ma una necessità dei giovani, altrimenti non si va avanti!" Maria Cervi signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] X Strike Force BoF: main talk room, Aug 16 09:30
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 19:07:04 +0200, Michele Cane wrote: > Is it possible tomorrow? I will not be able at all to join on saturday. > So we got a slot in the main talk room tomorrow morning at 09:30. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] When you miss your train in Switzerland...
Hi gio, On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:55:39PM +0200, Giovanni Mascellani wrote: > Hi. > > This email is mostly for asking some advice to people that know more > than me train rules in Switzerland. Basically, I'm coming back home by > train, and I have a rather tight changing time in Biel (3 minutes). I > may miss the leaving train. Fortunately I have a backup solution, taking > another train a bit later and still arriving in Zurich in time for the > train to Salzburg I have to take. > > The question is: is the same ticket that I would buy for the first > solution still valid for the second one? Someone local should confirm what I am saying, but as far as I know it depends on the type of the ticket. If you buy a discounted ticket that can be it is only valid for that one train. Normal tickets are not bound to a particular one. Regards, cstamas -- CSILLAG Tamas (cstamas) - http://cstamas.hu/ Alright, nobody move! I have a dragon and I'm not afraid to use it! -- Donkey from Shrek ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:06:10PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Heya, > for http://sources.debian.net (and to implement pabs' crazy ideas --- > it's always pabs' fault!) I'm playing with btrfs deduplicaiton [1]. > > If anyone here at DebConf13 has experience with bedup, even better if > with large amount of data (~ TBs), please let me know and/or come talk > to me. I need you! I would advise against btrfs. I am happy to share my experiences my ZFS deduplication. Regards, cstamas -- CSILLAG Tamas (cstamas) - http://cstamas.hu/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:04:19AM +0200, Csillag Tamas wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:06:10PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > Heya, > > for http://sources.debian.net (and to implement pabs' crazy ideas --- > > it's always pabs' fault!) I'm playing with btrfs deduplicaiton [1]. > > > > If anyone here at DebConf13 has experience with bedup, even better if > > with large amount of data (~ TBs), please let me know and/or come talk > > to me. I need you! > > I would advise against btrfs. > > I am happy to share my experiences my ZFS deduplication. the right sentence is: I am happy to share my experiences *with* ZFS deduplication. Regards, cstamas -- CSILLAG Tamas (cstamas) - http://cstamas.hu/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:06:53AM +0200, Csillag Tamas wrote: > > I would advise against btrfs. > > > > I am happy to share my experiences my ZFS deduplication. > > the right sentence is: > I am happy to share my experiences *with* ZFS deduplication. You mean, duplicate it, or give us the ability to read that part of your brain directly? *duck* -- ᛊᚨᚾᛁᛏᚣ᛫ᛁᛊ᛫ᚠᛟᚱ᛫ᚦᛖ᛫ᚹᛖᚨᚲ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] When you miss your train in Switzerland...
On Thursday 15 August 2013 23.54:55 Csillag Tamas wrote: > Hi gio, > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:55:39PM +0200, Giovanni Mascellani wrote: > > Hi. > > > > This email is mostly for asking some advice to people that know > > more than me train rules in Switzerland. Basically, I'm coming > > back home by train, and I have a rather tight changing time in > > Biel (3 minutes). I may miss the leaving train. Fortunately I have > > a backup solution, taking another train a bit later and still > > arriving in Zurich in time for the train to Salzburg I have to > > take. > > > > The question is: is the same ticket that I would buy for the first > > solution still valid for the second one? > If you buy a discounted ticket that can be it is only valid for that > one train. Normal tickets are not bound to a particular one. Local here: That is correct. However: Normal ticket bound to the route. So as the alternative connection changes the route the ticket would probably not be valid anymore. Still I don't think you need to worry. Connecting trains usually wait and in this case I think it is actually the same train just relabelled (ICN 543 arriving on track 3 and leaving 3min later as ICN 1543 from track 3). So if your worried, the best thing probably is to talk to the conductor once you are on the train... Nicola ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 09:17:01PM +0200, Steve Schnepp wrote: > > There are two ways: > > I'm exploring a third way, entirely userspace (I'll draft a mixed one at > the end). > > For that I'm using the "hardlink" package. Oh, right! I didn't think about this, but it does in fact perfectly fit the sources.d.n use case (deduplication granularity is mostly at the file level, file only changes at every 6-hour update, etc). With how many files have you tried it (max)? Feel free to catch me in the hacklab (i.e. the bar :)) to discuss this, or let me know how to recognize you. Thanks! -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:35:35AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 09:17:01PM +0200, Steve Schnepp wrote: > > > There are two ways: > > > > I'm exploring a third way, entirely userspace (I'll draft a mixed one at > > the end). > > > > For that I'm using the "hardlink" package. > > Oh, right! I didn't think about this, but it does in fact perfectly fit > the sources.d.n use case (deduplication granularity is mostly at the > file level, file only changes at every 6-hour update, etc). > > With how many files have you tried it (max)? > > Feel free to catch me in the hacklab (i.e. the bar :)) to discuss this, > or let me know how to recognize you. There are backup tools working this way (rsync also have this option: --link-dest) rsnapshot (which builds on rsync also uses this) so this is a viable option. The number of hardlink on a file is practicaly limitless. Regards, cstamas -- CSILLAG Tamas (cstamas) - http://cstamas.hu/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] The days after DC13
On 15/08/13 21:03, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: > Hi all, > > I have two days in Switzerland after DebConf and so far I have no plans. Any > hints about affordable places to visit/stay would be very welcome. I have a > tent but I know nothing about camping sites nearby. > > Anyway, I'm also wondering if there're more people in the same situation. If > so > we could have a wikipage like we did for DC10 > (https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/TravelCoordination). > > Regards, Helo! Same situation here. I plan to stay in the french-speaking part of .ch up to ~24th, but I've absolutely no idea about what's worth doing/seeing whatsoever. As a hint: As the Yverdon-Concise bus was going through what-I-think Grandson, Champagne and Bonvillars [1][2][3][4][5][6] was, and reminded me about Zagreb's old town area, for those where to Banja Luka. My first shot would be to go in that direction. Cheers, Dererk 1. https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3495/3833548171_489090b97c_o.jpg 2. http://www.laregion.ch/wp-content/uploads/1209012-grandson.jpg 3. http://www.lake-geneva-switzerland.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/10/Chateau-de-Grandson-Castle-16.jpg 4. http://www.lake-geneva-switzerland.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/10/grandson-castle-2-640x426.jpg 5. http://waronscreen.com/data/Files/La%20Com%C3%A8te/MOZ_0207.JPG 6. http://www.juradreiseenland.ch/pictures/content/_3lacs/musee_yverdon_maison_ailleurs1.jpg -- BOFH excuse #79: Look, buddy: Windows 3.1 IS A General Protection Fault. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:56:54AM +0200, Csillag Tamas wrote: > There are backup tools working this way (rsync also have this option: > --link-dest) rsnapshot (which builds on rsync also uses this) so this is a > viable option. > > The number of hardlink on a file is practicaly limitless. Sure, but that's not the interesting performance measure, is it? The point is rather how efficient is the tool on top to discover the need of using hard links instead of copies. And _that_ is likely heavily affected by the _total_ number of files you're applying deduplication upon. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] someone leaves early and goes to north by car?
I'm thinking about going to Aachen, in Belgium to meet some friends and I'm looking for a lift. Is there someone that leave before sunday and goes to north by car? -- Inviato dal computer che sto usando in questo momento Enrico Agliotti cell. +39-328-0517312 tel. con segreteria: +39-011-23415553 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Friday talks in room 2
Hello, Please note that some changes happened for the room #2 talks. We reordered some of them: http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/day_2013-08-16.en.html Sylvestre ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 01:18:16AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:56:54AM +0200, Csillag Tamas wrote: > > There are backup tools working this way (rsync also have this option: > > --link-dest) rsnapshot (which builds on rsync also uses this) so this is a > > viable option. > > > > The number of hardlink on a file is practicaly limitless. > > Sure, but that's not the interesting performance measure, is it? > > The point is rather how efficient is the tool on top to discover the > need of using hard links instead of copies. And _that_ is likely heavily > affected by the _total_ number of files you're applying deduplication > upon. I guess you are not around anymore (i did not found you). Let's discuss about this tomorrow (well, during the day ;-). Regards, cstamas -- CSILLAG Tamas (cstamas) - http://cstamas.hu/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] X Strike Force BoF: main talk room, Aug 16 09:30
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:33:54PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 19:07:04 +0200, Michele Cane wrote: > > Is it possible tomorrow? I will not be able at all to join on saturday. > So we got a slot in the main talk room tomorrow morning at 09:30. Not sure I'll be able to make it at this hour on such short notice, but I'll try. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] btrfs deduplication / bedup users at DebConf13?
Hi there, Stefano.
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 09:17:01PM +0200, Steve Schnepp wrote:
>> > There are two ways:
>>
>> I'm exploring a third way, entirely userspace (I'll draft a mixed one at
>> the end).
>>
>> For that I'm using the "hardlink" package.
>
> Oh, right! I didn't think about this, but it does in fact perfectly fit
> the sources.d.n use case (deduplication granularity is mostly at the
> file level, file only changes at every 6-hour update, etc).
I'm not Steve, but this is *much* easier than the deduplication of blocks... :)
If you only need to use this coarse deduplication, then take a look at
rdfind, instead of hardlink. Hardlink compares the files that are
likely to be the same (e.g., same size) byte by byte, while rdfind
uses hashes (md5 or sha1, at your option) to compare the files.
Of course, only use rdfind if you can tolerate the (very small) risk
of hash collisions (but, then, the COW filesystems also use hashes for
this thing).
That being said, I usually use hardlink, because I prefer to type long
options with double dashes, instead of rdfind. (OK, that's frivolous).
:) But for the harder work, I use rdfind.
> With how many files have you tried it (max)?
I have tried it with probably much fewer files than you have (about
10^6 files only), but the vast majority of the time is spent with a
cold cache with (spinning) hard disks, for both approaches.
I can elaborate more on this, perhaps in a blog post, if there is interest.
Regards,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] X Strike Force BoF: main talk room, Aug 16 09:30
I'll be there. See you later. Mike On Aug 16, 2013 2:05 AM, "Steve Langasek" wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:33:54PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 19:07:04 +0200, Michele Cane wrote: > > > > Is it possible tomorrow? I will not be able at all to join on > saturday. > > > So we got a slot in the main talk room tomorrow morning at 09:30. > > Not sure I'll be able to make it at this hour on such short notice, but > I'll > try. > > -- > Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS > Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. > Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ > slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org > ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
