[Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
Hi, I’d like to book my train from Madrid to Caceres on July 16th now, and I have some questions that (I think) have not been answered yet here or on the web pages. * I will arrive with the night train at 9:10 at MADRID CHAMARTIN. Is a train leaving from MADRID-PUERTA DE ATOCHA at 09:55 possible and safe to catch? * When querying from http://www.renfe.es/horarios/english/index.html (and also on[1]), I see this train leaving at 9:55. But when searching for a train via http://www.renfe.es/, under „Compra de Billets“, I only get two rather late trains (leaving at 16:25 resp. 22:25). What am I doing wrong? * Would I gain anything by waiting for the return ticket to become available, and booking both together? * Should I select the „Open return“ option? What does it mean, after all? :-) * Is it normal that there are no tickets available for the busses at http://www.venta.avanzabus.com/ yet? * Is anyone else traveling at that time? Debacle, what about you? Thanks in advance, Joachim [1] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf9/Travel/TrainBooking#Madrid_.3C-.3E_C.C3.A1ceres_matrix) -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
Hi Joachim, On Sonntag, 24. Mai 2009, Joachim Breitner wrote: > * I will arrive with the night train at 9:10 at MADRID CHAMARTIN. Is a > train leaving from MADRID-PUERTA DE ATOCHA at 09:55 possible and safe to > catch? I dont think its possible nicely, esp. if you dont know the stations etc. Maybe you *could* make it with running from train to subway and train and luck or with a taxi, but not really. > * When querying from http://www.renfe.es/horarios/english/index.html > (and also on[1]), I see this train leaving at 9:55. But when searching > for a train via http://www.renfe.es/, under „Compra de Billets“, I only > get two rather late trains (leaving at 16:25 resp. 22:25). What am I > doing wrong? Probably nothing, all websites suck and those to buy scheduled services like trains or planes suck more. On the renfe website I had the best results with searching with the form on the top left on www.renfe.es. > * Would I gain anything by waiting for the return ticket to become > available, and booking both together? Actually the cheapest is to buy online between 90min and 24h before the journay. But thats definitly not the safest. In any case you will have to print your online ticket. If you go to the station and buy it there (up to immediatly until the train leaves), the one-way price is 31 EUR. regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 15:04 +0200 schrieb Holger Levsen: > On Sonntag, 24. Mai 2009, Joachim Breitner wrote: > > * I will arrive with the night train at 9:10 at MADRID CHAMARTIN. Is a > > train leaving from MADRID-PUERTA DE ATOCHA at 09:55 possible and safe to > > catch? > > I dont think its possible nicely, esp. if you dont know the stations etc. > Maybe you *could* make it with running from train to subway and train and > luck or with a taxi, but not really. I wonder if Ian Jackson, Wookey, Nick Bane, Daniel Glassey are aware of this, according to http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf9/Travel/TrainBooking they are trying to do exactly that. Is anyone of you reading this? Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Arriving late in Madrid, what to do?
Hi! I think I got a quite suboptimal flight to Madrid, since I'll arrive there in the evening (20:25 to be precise) on the 23rd. Looking at [1] it seems I'll miss the last regular train to Caceres, but there is a "TRENHOTEL" leaving Madrid at 22:25 arriving at 01:51. But I can't book that train via that web interface (yet?). So the questions I have currently are: - Is it possible at all to get to that train in two hours from the airport? - If I arrive at Caceres in the night, can I get to the conference venue? - One Option for me would to stay the night in Madrid and get to Caceres the next day. Any recommendations on where to stay? Best regards, Alexander Links: 1: http://www.renfe.es/horarios/english/index.html ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
+++ Joachim Breitner [2009-05-24 15:22 +0200]: > Hi, > > Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 15:04 +0200 schrieb Holger Levsen: > > On Sonntag, 24. Mai 2009, Joachim Breitner wrote: > > > * I will arrive with the night train at 9:10 at MADRID CHAMARTIN. Is a > > > train leaving from MADRID-PUERTA DE ATOCHA at 09:55 possible and safe to > > > catch? > > > > I dont think its possible nicely, esp. if you dont know the stations etc. > > Maybe you *could* make it with running from train to subway and train and > > luck or with a taxi, but not really. We are hoping that we can make this connection. Ths subway site says this trip takes 20 minutes. I think that gives us a fighting chance. A back-up plan would be smart. > I wonder if Ian Jackson, Wookey, Nick Bane, Daniel Glassey are aware of > this, according to > http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf9/Travel/TrainBooking they are > trying to do exactly that. Is anyone of you reading this? We are (well I am and IWJ is). The mystery of the missing train is currently being put down to not being available yet. If it remains not available for too long we'll give up and presumably go by bus. Returning on Friday has similar questions arising. IWJ has looked at this in more detail than me. And Miriam Ruiz posted some useful info recently on how to get the best prices whilst still using the site mostly in English. I asumme we can work this out between us. Somone phoning up renfe and asking might be useful. Wookey -- Principal hats: iEndian - Balloonboard - Toby Churchill - Emdebian http://wookware.org/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Madrid-Caceres-Madrid trains: error on wiki?
Quoting Christian Perrier (bubu...@debian.org): > Many people started arranging their trip to Caceres and several > (incl. me) particularly seem to rely on trains for going at least from > Madrid to Caceres and back (I unfortunately dropped the night train > idea for going to Madrid, because of too high prices...:-( ). > .../... > > However, while trying to book these trains, I found out that the above > page seem to mention trains *that are not mentioned on RENFE web > site*: > > Madrid-Caceres: 16:40-20:02 --> no such train > Caceres-Madrid: 09:25-12:51 --> no such train Both these trains are now appearing on the RENFE web site. Exact schedules are: 16:25-20:02 Madrid-Caceres 9:25-13:11 Caceres-Madrid Both are TALGO trains (the Spanish tilting trains that are allowed to run faster on conventional tracks) and probably have fewer stops than other trains, so I would recommend choosing them. They're a little bit more expensive (30.9euros instead of 24.5 for normal prices). TALGO trains have a "web fare" that's is 12.4euros. Please note that one cannot book mor ethan two months in advance. So, for instance, I can book for July 21st but not for 31st. These trains, as well as all other trains *except the "TRENHOTEL" night trains* (first Caceres-Madrid train and last Madrid-Caceres train) are accessible for disabled people. That requires a specific assistance that has to be booked in advance (I guess they use special elevators or ramps in the stations). I corrected the wiki page: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Travel/TrainBooking ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Arriving late in Madrid, what to do?
Hi, On Sonntag, 24. Mai 2009, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > - Is it possible at all to get to that train in two hours from the airport? if you dont have to wait for your luggage certainly, else you have chances to make it ;-) > - If I arrive at Caceres in the night, can I get to the conference venue? it's 2km or so (3?) to the venue, so you would either want to take a taxi or arrange to be picked up by someone local / with a car. > - One Option for me would to stay the night in Madrid and get to Caceres > the next day. Any recommendations on where to stay? around the sol and gran via metros stations there are lots of hostels, but I'm sure there are better options. wikitravel madrid also is useful. regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
On Sun, 24 May 2009 14:41:22 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> We are (well I am and IWJ is). The mystery of the missing train is
> currently being put down to not being available yet. If it remains not
> available for too long we'll give up and presumably go by bus.
The renfe webpage is indeed fun -- yesterday it showed one more train
than when I looked a few days ago ...
Cheers,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 02:41:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Joachim Breitner [2009-05-24 15:22 +0200]: > > Hi, > > > > Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 15:04 +0200 schrieb Holger Levsen: > > > On Sonntag, 24. Mai 2009, Joachim Breitner wrote: > > > > * I will arrive with the night train at 9:10 at MADRID CHAMARTIN. Is a > > > > train leaving from MADRID-PUERTA DE ATOCHA at 09:55 possible and safe to > > > > catch? > > > > > > I dont think its possible nicely, esp. if you dont know the stations etc. > > > Maybe you *could* make it with running from train to subway and train and > > > luck or with a taxi, but not really. > > We are hoping that we can make this connection. Ths subway site says > this trip takes 20 minutes. I think that gives us a fighting chance. A > back-up plan would be smart. Hi, Neither taxi, nor the subway (Metro) are the right option from Chamartin to Atocha. The way to go is by train (Cercanias), which at that time of day should have a frequency of <10min, and a trip time of <15min. In renfe.es you have a 'Cercanias' drop menu (IIRC) where you can choose 'Madrid', and then see the timetable between Chamartin and Atocha. It is doable, but you don't have much margin for errors. Regards, Alberto -- Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta| Formación, consultoría y soporte técnico agi@(inittab.org|debian.org)| en GNU/Linux y software libre Encrypted mail preferred| http://inittab.com Key fingerprint = 9782 04E7 2B75 405C F5E9 0C81 C514 AF8E 4BA4 01C3 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 18:02 +0200 schrieb Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta: > > We are hoping that we can make this connection. Ths subway site says > > this trip takes 20 minutes. I think that gives us a fighting chance. A > > back-up plan would be smart. > > Neither taxi, nor the subway (Metro) are the right option from Chamartin > to Atocha. The way to go is by train (Cercanias), which at that time of > day should have a frequency of <10min, and a trip time of <15min. > > In renfe.es you have a 'Cercanias' drop menu (IIRC) where you can choose > 'Madrid', and then see the timetable between Chamartin and Atocha. > > It is doable, but you don't have much margin for errors. sounds better than having to wait for 7 hours in madrid (after being on the rails for a whole day already). If only the 9:55 train would appear in the booking view of renfe.es... Is it possible to book the Cercanias ticket together with the Madrid → Caceres ticker? If not, where and how can I get the Cercanias ticket? Thanks, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Madrid-Caceres-Madrid trains: error on wiki?
Quoting Christian Perrier (bubu...@debian.org): > Both these trains are now appearing on the RENFE web site. > > Exact schedules are: > 16:25-20:02 Madrid-Caceres > 9:25-13:11 Caceres-Madrid These two TALGO trains actually start and arrive in Madrid *Chamartin*. Both also stop at Atocha station. However, as Chamartin is quite more convenient to reach from the airport (line 8 all down to Nuevos Ministerios, then line 10, direction Hospital Infanta Sofia, stop at Chamartin) , some people might want to take them from Chamartin. Also note that the *night trains* *to/from* Cáceres (which are indeed Madrid-Lisbon trains) start and arrive in *Chamartin without stopping at Atocha*. I updated the wiki accordingly. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
Hi yet again, Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 14:31 +0200 schrieb Joachim Breitner: > * When querying from http://www.renfe.es/horarios/english/index.html > (and also on[1]), I see this train leaving at 9:55. But when searching > for a train via http://www.renfe.es/, under „Compra de Billets“, I only > get two rather late trains (leaving at 16:25 resp. 22:25). What am I > doing wrong? When I search for an earlier date (up to 2009-06-14), I do get this train (and a few other regional trains that did not show up for 2009-07-16). At the days from 2009-06-15 I see these trains, but it says „TREN NO DISPONIBLE A LA VENTA“, until 2009-06-20. At even later days, no connections are found. Could it just be that tickets for REGIONAL trains (R-598 in this case) are available later than tickets for the long distance trains? Thanks, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 06:38:59PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 18:02 +0200 schrieb Alberto Gonzalez > Iniesta: > > > We are hoping that we can make this connection. Ths subway site says > > > this trip takes 20 minutes. I think that gives us a fighting chance. A > > > back-up plan would be smart. > > > > Neither taxi, nor the subway (Metro) are the right option from Chamartin > > to Atocha. The way to go is by train (Cercanias), which at that time of > > day should have a frequency of <10min, and a trip time of <15min. > > > > In renfe.es you have a 'Cercanias' drop menu (IIRC) where you can choose > > 'Madrid', and then see the timetable between Chamartin and Atocha. > > > > It is doable, but you don't have much margin for errors. > > sounds better than having to wait for 7 hours in madrid (after being on > the rails for a whole day already). If only the 9:55 train would appear > in the booking view of renfe.es... > > Is it possible to book the Cercanias ticket together with the Madrid → > Caceres ticker? If not, where and how can I get the Cercanias ticket? Cercanias is a service close to what the subway is. I mean, it is used daily by thousands to move around Madrid (Province). Its price is around 1 EUR for that trip, and IIRC it should be free for those changing long distance trains between Chamartin and Atocha. I could confirm this calling Renfe this week. Regards, Alberto -- Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta| Formación, consultoría y soporte técnico agi@(inittab.org|debian.org)| en GNU/Linux y software libre Encrypted mail preferred| http://inittab.com Key fingerprint = 9782 04E7 2B75 405C F5E9 0C81 C514 AF8E 4BA4 01C3 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
+++ Joachim Breitner [2009-05-24 19:04 +0200]: > Could it just be that tickets for REGIONAL trains (R-598 in this case) > are available later than tickets for the long distance trains? I believe that is indeed the case. Often it is 2 months, rather than 3 months, which means said trains should be bookable from about now. Wookey -- Principal hats: iEndian - Balloonboard - Toby Churchill - Emdebian http://wookware.org/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Train Madrid → Caceres
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 24.05.2009, 19:49 +0200 schrieb Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta: > Cercanias is a service close to what the subway is. I mean, it is used > daily by thousands to move around Madrid (Province). Its price is around > 1 EUR for that trip, and IIRC it should be free for those changing long > distance trains between Chamartin and Atocha. I could confirm this > calling Renfe this week. That would be great. If do you so, make sure you cover the case where the ticket to Chamartin (Nighttrain from Paris) and the ticket from Atocha were bought independently. And while you are calling, could you also ask when the regional train tickets are going to be available online for July 16th and 31st, resp. TIA, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
