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Re: Is minder.net really screwed up?
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At 02:25 PM 3/31/2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: >Or using principles of some other existing informal schemes - like hobos and >homeless do in urban areas. If you walk close to bridges and places that they >use for shelters, i.e. you peruse their part of the network ... >you will often see elaborate markings with chalk and sometimes even paint. And often you don't notice them because you don't know what you are looking for. Let's see, this sounds like ... >Someone wrote a paper on this, there is a whole signalling language used >to inform about many important issues - like places good to overnight at >and places never to be found at. If a relatively unsophisticated >population of travelling vagabonds can develop universally understood >signalling that does not rely on anyone else to work, I am sure that >engineers can do it as well. ... steganography. They embed the symbols on the physical fabric but it occupies such a small part of the visible panorama that it remains unseen by anyone not trained to look for it. Yeah, steganography. Anyone who is interested can learn the hobos' marks and use them for their own purposes or to entrap the hobos. The thing that saves the hobos and homeless is that most police forces don't feel that they need to systematically hunt down the hobos and homeless. Once they do the hobos' marks will serve the police. For some reason I'm not getting any warm fuzzies from this idea. You know, there seems to be a very basic flaw in any of these systems: they are open so they can be infiltrated eventually. It appears that the best you can hope for is to create new network nodes faster than old ones can be compromised (and threaten the owners of those nodes BTW). That will keep the network alive but at what cost? (Hmmm, if you do it as a trojan horse you might have plausible deniability. "But ocifer! I din't know my computer was doing that. It must be some kinda virus or sumpin it got from the Internet." Naw, that won't work for long either.) Perhaps the better way is to neutralize the threat. If the sellers of an intellectual property can be assured of their cut, the police won't come after the hobos. The engineering problem is ensuring that the IP holders get their cut, not that anyone can share IP clandestinely. The latter will likely fail if people with money/power have a vested interest in its failure. We just have to remove their vested interest in its failure and they will focus their attention elsewhere. Their attention will always be focused on the money. I guess a basic question is, "do the owners of an IP have a right to collect money for the use of their IP?" If the answer is yes, the work should be on protection of IP rights. If the answer is no then do what you will. IMHO engineers aren't good at solving moral and ethical problems with technology. Anyone want to learn to fly? Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.530.676.1113 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
Re: Internet is dead (Was Re: Celsius 451 -the melting point of Cat-5)
At 01:18 AM 4/1/2002, you wrote: >Ad hoc wireless is neat, but don't assume you're golden just because you >own the infrastructure, and there are no wires to trace. Just emitters in free space. Even easier to trace than wires. >What 802.11b, >currently the only widely deployed technology is effectively 6 MBit >bandwidth/cell (assuming, no Bluetooth and other nasties are muddying up >the 2.4 GHz band, including deliberate jamming). Urban networks will be >typically hundreds to thousands cells across, requiring each cell to spend >a large fraction of available bandwidth for transit traffic. 802.11a is 54 >MBit/s on paper, That is the raw signalling rate. With reasonable overhead expect something on the order of 36 Mbps. >and it might be the last technology deployed if the Man >will get a clue as to what is going on out there. If you have the right routing protocol and interference control you can get a lot of parallelism and increase the effective bandwidth of the mesh. See http://www.skypilot.com for someone who is doing this. >Any wireless data products must be approved (see recent ultrawideband >semidebacle), giving you leverage to block them just as easily as shutting >down the odd 31337 port at ISPs side. As long as you can't fab your own >semiconductors on the desktop, you're limited to what is available >commercially, which is subject to regulations subject to politics subject >to lobbying. Yup. This problem isn't an engineering problem. > > engineers can do it as well. > >Engineers don't think as outlaws usually. The mindset seems to thrive in >.com, .gov and .mil settings, which typically also make for low-hassle >high-figure paychecks. The technical issues are simple, but getting people >hooked using viral applications is nontrivial, especially in the >worse-is-better context. User base doesn't evaluate architecture and >scalability long term, they just grab the firstbest technology they can >get their hands on. > >Getting this exactly right requires not only cunning, but also some dumb >blind luck. Maybe, higher unemployment rate amongs engineers would help. As long as the guys with the money and power want to squash what you are doing, you will eventually get squashed. Being on-the-run doesn't appeal to me much. I would rather find a way to get them to stop (or never start) chasing me. Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.530.676.1113 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
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Re: openssl/gpg and IDEA
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 11:58:56PM -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: > > IDEA seems to be completely missing from everything everywhere :-( Does > nybody know how to enable openssl for IDEA (no, I don't require the > commercial license for this)? You may be using a pre-built version of OpenSSL from which IDEA support has been removed. If you build it yourself, IDEA support is on by default. http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#LEGAL1 http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html#q3.3 -Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]1024/8C7C4DE9
Re: Firm invites experts to punch holes in ballot software
On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 03:42:47PM -0400, Ian Grigg wrote:
> Trei, Peter wrote:
> >Frankly, the whole online-verification step seems like an
> >unneccesary complication.
>
> It seems to me that the requirement for after-the-vote
> verification ("to prove your vote was counted") clashes
> rather directly with the requirement to protect voters
> from coercion ("I can't prove I voted in a particular
> way.") or other incentives-based attacks.
>
> You can have one, or the other, but not both, right?
Suppose individual ballots weren't usable to verify a vote, but
instead confirming data was distributed across 2-3 future ballot
receipts such that all of them were needed to reconstruct another
ballot's vote.
It would then be possible to verify an election with reasonable
confidence if a large number of ballot receipts were collected, but
individual ballot receipts would be worthless.
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Re: CDR: Re: Can Skype be wiretapped by the authorities? (fwd from em@em.no-ip.com)
On May 10, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Jack Lloyd wrote: Like it matters. Do you really think that the government would really allow Intel and AMD to sell CPUs that didn't have tiny transmitters in them? Your CPU is actually transmitting every instruction it executes to the satellites. That's a subtle bit of humor, right? ~brian
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Re: Is password guessing legal?
At 04:34 PM 10/28/2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: >The e-mails sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] were obtained earlier this month by first clicking on a link labeled "Check your e-mail in Uruk" on the homepage of Iraq's state-controlled ISP, Uruklink.net, then guessing the login name and password -- both of which were the same five-letter word. < Did that Wired reporter just admit to a crime? http://wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,55967,00.html What if he did? B.
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Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 16:11, J.A. Terranson wrote: > On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote: > > > I have several theories/conjectures about what is happening to mailing > > lists. > > > > First, a lot of the younger folks--who used to be some of the fresh > > blood for lists like ours--are not users of mailing lists. I expect > > some of them don't even know such things exist. For them, IM is the > > norm. (And IM is mostly an interpersonal, chat format.) > > Not true. I personally run several mailing lists with heavy political > bents. One in particular, "antisocial" (the name is a play on a post someone > made a long time ago) is vibrant and continually growing. But they need to > be nurtured - this is the failing of this list. We no longer take care to > bring in new blood. We have failed utterly to encourage new ideas. And any > new blood which may test the waters with a posting that doesn't follow median > doctrine is likely to find themselves and their deviant ideas under heavy > attack, rather than discussion. > > People won't post ideas that conflict with the mainstream (which obviously is > different in each unique forum) if these ideas are either dismissed out of > hand or attacked ad hominem. > Clay Shirky has some good thoughts on this in his essay 'The Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy', found at http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html [big snip] I've been on and off the list for years, mostly as a lurker, occasionally as a poster. Up until last month (or so) I thought the list had died. I remember that the S/N radio went way down and toad.com was going to drop the list a few years back. Some of the list 'goals' have been achieved, we now have good solid crypt that we can use. We have operating remailers (although they really need to be more user friendly). For me personally the biggest obstacle is time. As I've gotten older I don't seem to have the time to focus on following discussions in 10 different lists, or work on dozens of projects. Brian ---[Office 72.2F]--[Fridge 34.4F]---[Fozzy 90.3F]--[Coaster 63.4F]--- Linux Software Developer http://www.brianlane.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA
I just want to point out that, as far as Palladium is concerned, we really don't care how the keys got onto the machine. Certain *applications* written on top of Palladium will probably care, but all the hardware & the security kernel really care about is making sure that secrets are only divulged to the code that had them encrypted in the first place. It's all a big trust management problem (or a series of trust management problems) -- applications that are going to rely on SCP keys to protect secrets for them are going to want some assurances about where the keys live and whether there's a copy outside the SCP. I can certainly envision potential applications that would want guarantees that the key was generated on the SCP & never left, and I can see other applications that want guarantees that the key has a copy sitting on another SCP on the other side of the building. So the complexity isn't in how the keys get initialized on the SCP (hey, it could be some crazy little hobbit named Mel who runs around to every machine and puts them in with a magic wand). The complexity is in the keying infrastructure and the set of signed statements (certificates, for lack of a better word) that convey information about how the keys were generated & stored. Those statements need to be able to represent to other applications what protocols were followed and precautions taken to protect the private key. Assuming that there's something like a cert chain here, the root of this chain chould be an OEM, an IHV, a user, a federal agency, your company, etc. Whatever that root is, the application that's going to divulge secrets to the SCP needs to be convinced that the key can be trusted (in the security sense) not to divulge data encrypted to it to third parties. Palladium needs to look at the hardware certificates and reliably tell (under user control) what they are. Anyone can decide if they trust the system based on the information given; Palladium simply guarantees that it won't tell anyone your secrets without your explicit request.. --bal P.S. I'm not sure that I actually *want* the ability to extract the private key from an SCP after it's been loaded, because presumably if I could ask for the private key then a third party doing a black-bag job on my PC could also ask for it. I think what I want is the ability to zeroize the SCP, remove all state stored within it, and cause new keys to be generated on-chip. So long as I can zero the chip whenever I want (or zero part of it, or whatever) I can eliminate the threat posed by the manufacturer who initialized the SCP in the first place. Lucky Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ray wrote: >> >>> From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:51:24 -0700 >> >>> On 29 Jul 2002 at 15:35, AARG! Anonymous wrote: both Palladium and TCPA deny that they are designed to restrict what applications you run. The TPM FAQ at http://www.trustedcomputing.org/docs/TPM_QA_071802.pdf reads >>> >>> They deny that intent, but physically they have that capability. >> >> To make their denial credible, they could give the owner >> access to the private key of the TPM/SCP. But somehow I >> don't think that jibes with their agenda. > > Probably not surprisingly to anybody on this list, with the exception > of potentially Anonymous, according to the TCPA's own TPM Common > Criteria Protection Profile, the TPM prevents the owner of a TPM from > exporting the TPM's internal key. The ability of the TPM to keep the > owner of a PC from reading the private key stored in the TPM has been > evaluated to E3 (augmented). For the evaluation certificate issued by > NIST, see: > > http://niap.nist.gov/cc-scheme/PPentries/CCEVS-020016-VR-TPM.pdf > >> If I buy a lock I expect that by demonstrating ownership I >> can get a replacement key or have a locksmith legally open it. > > It appears the days when this was true are waning. At least in the PC > platform domain. > > --Lucky > > > - > The Cryptography Mailing List > Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
