Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Sunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ultimately Phill, there are those of us who have lived outside the USA and > have seen the true face of what you call socialism. I'd venture to say, > you haven't lived in say Romania. Ask Marcel Popescu for example about > how things were in Romania, a socialist state. While things have indeed changed quite a lot since our communist times, Romania is still a socialist country - and, as I told Reese, unfortunately it's not only the government, but 99% of the people. As for how things were - for example, you couldn't be without a job. That was a crime punished by prison. So you had to go where the state sent you. [True, being fired was a highly unlikely event - you had to come drunk, or to *visibly* do absolutely nothing.] Mark
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[Forwarded from another list. LOL... they finally got it.] UN: Governing hurts poor countries UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The United Nations singled out bad governance, and not a lack of cash, in the world's poorest countries as the main reason why they haven't been able to pull themselves out of poverty. A U.N. Development Program report called Tuesday for governments to develop national anti-poverty programs that tackle an entire range of related issues, not just the problem of how to increase incomes. If governments take this initiative, they will fill the "missing link" of good government and set their countries on the road to alleviating poverty, the report found. "Money has been thrown at poverty reduction, unfortunately in decreasing amounts nowadays, but ... what has been missing has been the organized policy environment at the national level to put in place anti-poverty strategies," UNDP administrator, Mark Malloch Brown, told a news conference. See full story at http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2565425779-b4a
Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As
At 11:22 AM 08/04/00 -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote: >From: Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> It's pie-in-the-sky, but were I in the oval office, I'd declare martial >> law, kill all the bureaucratic agencies that aren't authorized by the >> constitution, burn the federal register, and put the states on notice - >> follow suit or else. > >Just another damn socialist... imposing his will on everybody else. This is >not freedom; freedom can't be accomplished by imposing YOUR will, unless >you're God. > >> Then end martial law, and let the grand experiment begin anew. >> > >Ahem. And the rest of the people will just have to trust you. "Read my lips: >the martial law will last for a very short time." Like I said, it was pie-in-the-sky. Until you know _me_ you have no measure to guage how long the process would take, or how soon I would resign from office. I fail to see how deregulating things = imposing my will on others. Reese
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At 07:09 PM 08/04/00 -0400, Petro wrote: >Reeses Peices: Sticks & stones - ah hell, Fuck You anyhow. >>Try saying something good about Reagan, I wanna see if you can. > > He had good hair for a man his age. The question wasn't directed at you. Since you've entered the forum, say something good about his politics. Reese
Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As
At 11:27 AM -0400 4/8/00, Marcel Popescu wrote: >X-Loop: openpgp.net >From: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic >> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many > > divisions does the Pope have?" > >Stalin. The Pope won. > >Mark Really? And here we thought that Stalin's side in WWII was on the victorious side and the Vatican's side, in Italy, was on the losing side. Defeat is victory, triumph is losing, Stalin lost, the Vatican won. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic > >> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many > > > divisions does the Pope have?" > > > >Stalin. The Pope won. > Really? And here we thought that Stalin's side in WWII was on the > victorious side and the Vatican's side, in Italy, was on the losing > side. Last time I checked, Stalin was dead, USSR has a lot of problems, and the number of Catholics around the world is around a billion - and growing (which I hate, being protestant, but that's another matter). I doubt that having a growing organization counts as "losing". Mark
Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Ahem. And the rest of the people will just have to trust you. "Read my lips: > >the martial law will last for a very short time." > > Like I said, it was pie-in-the-sky. > > Until you know _me_ you have no measure to guage how long the process would > take, or how soon I would resign from office. That was exactly my point. > I fail to see how > deregulating things = imposing my will on others. "Deregulating" things by force = imposing your will on others. You would just do it for good reasons. [Yeah, like Clinton ever said "I want more powers to fuck you better"...] No human being can be trusted to be a dictator, no matter for how long, and no matter his exposed (or even his true) reasons... Mark
Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As
Mr May said: >At 11:27 AM -0400 4/8/00, Marcel Popescu wrote: >>X-Loop: openpgp.net >>From: Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic >>> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many >> > divisions does the Pope have?" >> >>Stalin. The Pope won. >Really? And here we thought that Stalin's side in WWII was on the >victorious side and the Vatican's side, in Italy, was on the losing >side. > >Defeat is victory, triumph is losing, Stalin lost, the Vatican won. The Catholic Church is still around whereas the government Stalin headed is history. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** If the courts started interpreting the Second Amendment the way they interpret the First, we'd have a right to bear nuclear arms by now.--Ann Coulter
Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As
At 5:22 PM -0400 4/9/00, Marcel Popescu wrote: >X-Loop: openpgp.net >From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> I believe it was either Stalin or Goering who, when told the Catholic >> >> Church disapproved of their latest genocide, replied "So how many >> > > divisions does the Pope have?" >> > >> >Stalin. The Pope won. > >> Really? And here we thought that Stalin's side in WWII was on the >> victorious side and the Vatican's side, in Italy, was on the losing >> side. > >Last time I checked, Stalin was dead, USSR has a lot of problems, and the You're grossly abusing the English language if you claim that Stalin was a loser _because_ he is now dead. "Hey, get used to it. Aristotle lost, Newton lost, even Rand lost. They're all dead. So, there!" The discussion you guys were engaged in was in the context of (the local environment, the closure, whatever terms one prefers) World War II. The Russians were luckily on the winning side, the Vatican was on the Axis side. Claims that Stalin lost because he's now dead and that Pope Pius won because his successors are breeding are a disservice to the debate. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
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