Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Did my email on this show up??
To repeat – when airplanes suffered from this we used to grab a snack and a 
full tank of gas and fly around at 100% power (or METO) for three hours or so.
I would run your boat flat-out for a bit, that should help.

Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing



On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 10:45 AM Fred Hazzard 
mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Josh mentioned that cylinder glazing can occur if the engine is not run at 80 
percent for extended periods of time. We motor out from the dock for 5 or 10 
minutes, set the sails and shut down the engine. We get a fairly heavy blue 
smoke when the engine is cold.
Question; is there any way to get rid of the glazing short tearing down the 
engine?

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland, Or
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Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing

[Josh Muckley]

Joe, both we got both emails.  Thanks!

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 06:59 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Did my email on this show up??
>
> To repeat – when airplanes suffered from this we used to grab a snack and
> a full tank of gas and fly around at 100% power (or METO) for three hours
> or so.
>
> I would run your boat flat-out for a bit, that should help.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I*
>
> *www.dellabarba.com *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:47 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 10:45 AM Fred Hazzard  wrote:
>
> Josh mentioned that cylinder glazing can occur if the engine is not run at
> 80 percent for extended periods of time. We motor out from the dock for 5
> or 10 minutes, set the sails and shut down the engine. We get a fairly
> heavy blue smoke when the engine is cold.
>
> Question; is there any way to get rid of the glazing short tearing down
> the engine?
>
>
>
> Fred Hazzard
>
> S/V Fury
>
> C&C 44
>
> Portland, Or
>
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Stus-List Re: Restoring scratched cast aluminum

[Bill Coleman]

Looking closely at that picture, it looks to that they are not actually 
scratches, but white plastic or gel-coat impregnated (rubbed) into the casting.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dennis C. [mailto:capt...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:21 PM
To: CnClist
Subject: Stus-List Restoring scratched cast aluminum

 

Touche's stem casting got scratched beating up a dock box.  Any good tips on 
removing the scratches?  Wire brush?  MAG Wheel cleaner? (The boat will be 
repainted so I can use an acid based wheel etching solution before the repaint 
although I'd really rather not.)

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CzLqtCcOg2cdOjsj0ct6sUJKN6pzisJl/view?usp=sharing

 

-- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing

[Joe Della Barba]

Before you go try it, check your engine manual to see if you have a time 
limited power settings. METO in airplanes is usually something like 5 
minutes, my Atomic 4 can go 100% forever, and I have seen notes with 
something like a 1 hour limit for redline RPM on some Yanmars.



Joe

Coquina

On 9/21/2020 9:38 AM, Josh Muckley wrote:

Joe, both we got both emails.  Thanks!

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 06:59 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Did my email on this show up??

To repeat – when airplanes suffered from this we used to grab a
snack and a full tank of gas and fly around at 100% power (or
METO) for three hours or so.

I would run your boat flat-out for a bit, that should help.

*/Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I/*

*/www.dellabarba.com /*

*From:*Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com
]
*Sent:* Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:47 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 10:45 AM Fred Hazzard mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Josh mentioned that cylinder glazing can occur if the engine
is not run at 80 percent for extended periods of time. We
motor out from the dock for 5 or 10 minutes, set the sails and
shut down the engine. We get a fairly heavy blue smoke when
the engine is cold.

Question; is there any way to get rid of the glazing short
tearing down the engine?

Fred Hazzard

S/V Fury

C&C 44

Portland, Or

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Stus-List Re: Restoring scratched cast aluminum

[Fred Hazzard]

Dennis,  my cast aluminum stem and line chalks looked similar. I hand
sanded and painted them with 2 coats ofRustoleum krylon flat black.
This was 2 years ago and they still look good.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:51 AM Bill Coleman  wrote:

> Looking closely at that picture, it looks to that they are not actually
> scratches, but white plastic or gel-coat impregnated (rubbed) into the
> casting.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dennis C. [mailto:capt...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:21 PM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Subject:* Stus-List Restoring scratched cast aluminum
>
>
>
> Touche's stem casting got scratched beating up a dock box.  Any good tips
> on removing the scratches?  Wire brush?  MAG Wheel cleaner? (The boat will
> be repainted so I can use an acid based wheel etching solution before the
> repaint although I'd really rather not.)
>
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CzLqtCcOg2cdOjsj0ct6sUJKN6pzisJl/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing

[Josh Muckley]

Attached is the chart of rated continuous output.  I couldn't find it but
immediately but the 1 hour limit for my 3HM35F is 3400 and the
instantaneous limit is 3600.  When referring to 80% load I always assume
the continuous limit - 3200 for me.  So basically whenever I run the engine
I try to maintain the tach above 2500.  But RPM is only part of the
equation.  Usually it is good enough but with a clean prop and bottom the
actual load might not be 80% since the engine has to work less hard to move
the boat the through the water.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Stus-List Bottom paint

[Fred Hazzard]

I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending
Petit Ultima SR 60.
Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint.

Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time.
Other paint recommendations would be appreciated.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland Or
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Stus-List Bottom paint

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Do they know it works well in Oregon or do they just have a huge stock of it to 
get rid of LOL
Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:10 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Bottom paint

I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending
Petit Ultima SR 60.
Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint.

Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time.
Other paint recommendations would be appreciated.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland Or
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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I’ve been using the Petit SR-60 for the past 5 season in the Bahamas and ICW.  
Of course, I add a new coat each season But it looked great every haulout.  I 
love this paint!

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Do they know it works well in Oregon or do they just have a huge stock of it 
> to get rid of LOL
> Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
> www.dellabarba.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:10 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Bottom paint
>  
> I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending 
> Petit Ultima SR 60. 
> Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint. 
>  
> Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time. 
> Other paint recommendations would be appreciated. 
>  
> Fred Hazzard 
> S/V Fury 
> C&C 44
> Portland Or 
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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

[John Conklin]

I use the SR60 here in NC brackish water  works well 2 years
Wish it was on sale !

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
wrote:

 I’ve been using the Petit SR-60 for the past 5 season in the Bahamas and ICW. 
 Of course, I add a new coat each season But it looked great every haulout.  I 
love this paint!

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Do they know it works well in Oregon or do they just have a huge stock of it to 
get rid of LOL
Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:10 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Bottom paint

I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending
Petit Ultima SR 60.
Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint.

Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time.
Other paint recommendations would be appreciated.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
Portland Or
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Stus-List Re: Cylinder glazing

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Remember that these are only general guidelines.  They don’t have to be 
followed precisely. Based on my 40+ years experience, I believe that what 
ultimately kills your engine is not how close you operated within the engine 
manufacturers guidelines but more serious things like loosing crankcase oil.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
> 
> 
> Attached is the chart of rated continuous output.  I couldn't find it but 
> immediately but the 1 hour limit for my 3HM35F is 3400 and the instantaneous 
> limit is 3600.  When referring to 80% load I always assume the continuous 
> limit - 3200 for me.  So basically whenever I run the engine I try to 
> maintain the tach above 2500.  But RPM is only part of the equation.  Usually 
> it is good enough but with a clean prop and bottom the actual load might not 
> be 80% since the engine has to work less hard to move the boat the through 
> the water.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

[David Knecht]

Here is a link to the Practical Sailor tests of bottom paint.  SR60 did about as well as many in those tests.   Davehttps://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/paints/marine-maintenance-bottom-paint-test-results
S/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT


On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Fred Hazzard  wrote:I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending Petit Ultima SR 60. Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint. Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time. Other paint recommendations would be appreciated. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44Portland Or 
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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

[Matthew]

FWIW, Practical Sailor gave ePaint's ZO-HP very high marks shortly after it
hit the market.  Rather than use a biocide, the paint outgasses hydrogen
peroxide or something in sunlight, which the critters don't like.  Being
environmentally aware (and incorrectly believing EPA would soon ban copper
paints), I painted my Custom 42 with ZO-HP about eight years ago and was
disappointed in several particulars: 1) the cost is higher than most bottom
paints; 2) the application conditions (temp/humidity) are relatively narrow;
3) it took a while for the paint to become hard, a result of which was
surface scarring caused by the travel lift straps the first year; 4) the
area near the waterline sloughs off and needs to be repainted annually
(which is more ablative than hard in my view); 5) for freshwater, the paint
did not perform any better than VC17 or my personal favorite, Baltoplate; 6)
after two coats (each two years apart), the paint started "cratering" here
and there (i.e., patches of the surface layer would come off, leaving a
crater-like uneven surface); and 7) it is very difficult to remove with
sandpaper after it's been on for a couple years.  In short, although I liked
the owner of the ePaint company, I suggest passing on ZO-HP.

 

From: David Knecht  
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:27 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

 

Here is a link to the Practical Sailor tests of bottom paint.  SR60 did
about as well as many in those tests.   Dave

 

https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/paints/marine-maintenance-
bottom-paint-test-results
 

 

S/V Aries

1990 C&C 34+

New London, CT





 

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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

[Bill Coleman]

I used that SR-60 the last two years in fresh water, my observation is that it 
is very ablative.   I touched up where it needed it this spring, and gave it a 
fine sanding to expose it a little better. I think I could braid the grass 
growing close to my waterline, looks much worse this year.

Looking for something else for next year.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:37 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Robert Boyer
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

 

I’ve been using the Petit SR-60 for the past 5 season in the Bahamas and ICW.  
Of course, I add a new coat each season But it looked great every haulout.  I 
love this paint!

Bob Boyer

s/v Rainy Days

C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)

(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)

blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

email: dainyr...@icloud.com





On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 

Do they know it works well in Oregon or do they just have a huge stock of it to 
get rid of LOL

Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I

www.dellabarba.com

 

 

 

From: Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:10 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Bottom paint

 

I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending 

Petit Ultima SR 60. 

Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint. 

 

Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time. 

Other paint recommendations would be appreciated. 

 

Fred Hazzard 

S/V Fury 

C&C 44

Portland Or 

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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

[David Knecht]

I have had similar experience with Vivid, which is supposed to be a hard paint. 
 It is hard out of the water (supposedly burnishable), but very very soft in 
the water.  Even with a microfiber pad, I get clouds of paint in the water when 
cleaning.  Can’t use anything abrasive at all.   Others have reported similar 
issues, but some have not had this problem (Edd in Florida).  I have had to 
repaint large areas every spring, especially near the water line.  The slings 
remove most of the paint in the lift area.  Decent hard growth rejection, poor 
slime reduction.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
> 
> I used that SR-60 the last two years in fresh water, my observation is that 
> it is very ablative.   I touched up where it needed it this spring, and gave 
> it a fine sanding to expose it a little better. I think I could braid the 
> grass growing close to my waterline, looks much worse this year.
> Looking for something else for next year.
>  
>  
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>  
>  
>  
> From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:37 PM
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: Robert Boyer
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Bottom paint
>  
> I’ve been using the Petit SR-60 for the past 5 season in the Bahamas and ICW. 
>  Of course, I add a new coat each season But it looked great every haulout.  
> I love this paint!
> 
> Bob Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
> (Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
> ICW in between)
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com 
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
> 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>>  
>> Do they know it works well in Oregon or do they just have a huge stock of it 
>> to get rid of LOL
>> Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK I
>> www.dellabarba.com 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com ] 
>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:10 PM
>> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Bottom paint
>>  
>> I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending 
>> Petit Ultima SR 60. 
>> Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint. 
>>  
>> Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time. 
>> Other paint recommendations would be appreciated. 
>>  
>> Fred Hazzard 
>> S/V Fury 
>> C&C 44
>> Portland Or 
>> ___
>> 
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>> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>> ___
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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

[David Knecht]

I have had similar experience with Vivid, which is supposed to be a hard paint.  It is hard out of the water (supposedly burnishable), but very very soft in the water.  Even with a microfiber pad, I get clouds of paint in the water when cleaning.  Can’t use anything abrasive at all.   Others have reported similar issues, but some have not had this problem (Edd in Florida).  I have had to repaint large areas every spring, especially near the water line.  The slings remove most of the paint in the lift area.  Decent hard growth rejection, poor slime reduction.  Dave
S/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT


On Sep 21, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:I used that SR-60 the last two years in fresh water, my observation is that it is very ablative.   I touched up where it needed it this spring, and gave it a fine sanding to expose it a little better. I think I could braid the grass growing close to my waterline, looks much worse this year.Looking for something else for next year.  Bill ColemanEntrada, Erie, PA   From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:37 PMTo: Stus-ListCc: Robert BoyerSubject: Stus-List Re: Bottom paint I’ve been using the Petit SR-60 for the past 5 season in the Bahamas and ICW.  Of course, I add a new coat each season But it looked great every haulout.  I love this paint!Bob Boyers/v Rainy DaysC&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the ICW in between)blog: dainyrays.blogspot.comemail: dainyr...@icloud.comOn Sep 21, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  wrote: Do they know it works well in Oregon or do they just have a huge stock of it to get rid of LOLJoe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35  MK Iwww.dellabarba.com   From: Fred Hazzard [mailto:fshazz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:10 PMTo: Stus-List Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Bottom paint I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending Petit Ultima SR 60. Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint.  Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time. Other paint recommendations would be appreciated.  Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C&C 44Portland Or ___Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray___Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray___

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Stus-List Re: Bottom paint

[Joel Delamirande]

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On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 2:44 PM David Knecht  wrote:

> Here is a link to the Practical Sailor tests of bottom paint.  SR60 did
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> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
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> On Sep 21, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Fred Hazzard  wrote:
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> I am getting ready to have the bottom repainted. The yard is recommending
> Petit Ultima SR 60.
> Do any of you have experience or strong opinions about this paint.
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> Our boat is in fresh water 99 % of the time.
> Other paint recommendations would be appreciated.
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> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C&C 44
> Portland Or
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