Re: Stus-List Sink Seacock

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I seem to recall the C&C 37+ Owner's Manual talks about a 1, 2 or 3 (not 4)
battery system.  Now, I know why.  They apparently never intended to have 2
batteries in that compartment.  Of course as our boats added refrigeration,
electronics, and all sorts of other do-dads, owners added a 4th battery
right over the sea-cock.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA


~~~_/)~~


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sink sea cock is under the settee just aft of the forward bulkhead.  I
> have batteries in my compartment but you may not.  I also have a beckson
> port (hand hole) which allows access through the floor of the compartment.
> You may not have this port.  It may just be a hole.
>
> I had a spare see cock in my head from when the toilet used raw water.  I
> plumbed the existing shower drain pump (4gpm, 50 psi deck wash pump) to
> suck from either the shower or the spare port and then discharge either
> overboard or to the deck hose connection which I bedded in the deck
> directly above the pump.  The pump is in the little cubby behind the toilet
> mounted to the forward bulkhead.  Admittedly it is a little weird to have
> to reach in the shower to start the deck pump.  Obviously I could create a
> parallel switching circuit if it became a big deal but since I already have
> to rearrange a couple valves any way I can't see the point.  I also took
> the time to install and auxiliary suction which allows me to connect a
> garden hose.  Now I can dewater anything.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2017 9:11 PM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>  My 1990 C&C 37+ has a sink in the vee berth.  I am unable to find the
> seacock for that sink.  Based upon the location of the thru-hull on the
> outside of the boat, I would suspect it to be under the forward battery
> box, which would be inaccessible and thus pretty stupid.  I was hoping to
> tap into that seacock for a wash down pump, but after failing to find the
> seacock, it occurred to me that it would be really bad if the drain hose
> failed an I couldn't find the seacock to close it.  So my questions are:
>
> 1.  Where is the vee berth sink seacock,
> and
> 2.  Where should I connect the salt water intake for the wash down pump.
>
> TIA,
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> ~~~_/)~~
>
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Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Nah!  It's a flux capacitor and it's used for time travel.  It allows you
to sail your boat "Back to the Future".

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That size cap has to be for an inverter or maybe an older analog radar.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On May 3, 2017 9:00 PM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, in the box of parts left behind by the prior owner of our 1994 C&C
>> 37/40+ are two Arcotronics C.87.0EF3 50uf capacitors.  You can see a
>> picture of them here:  1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz)
>> 500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE3 MKP | eBay
>> 
>>
>> 
>> And, they're not exactly cheap, even on Ebay.
>> 
>>
>> 
>> What are these things for?
>> 
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> $ 35.0
>> 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor -
>> C.87.0EE...
>> 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor -
>> C.87.0EE3 MKP
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Whitmore
>>
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>>
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Re: Stus-List Sink Seacock

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I've seen 2 golf cart batteries and a small red top starting battery packed
in there.  TBH I wasn't even sure if that was originally intended to be a
battery compartment based on the location of the seacock.  Why didn't C&C
place the seacock under the sink?  Or under the removable floor plate?  Or
make a new removable floor plate in the v-birth?  I can't gripe about too
much that C&C did but this definitely seems thoughtless.

Josh

On May 4, 2017 5:20 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I seem to recall the C&C 37+ Owner's Manual talks about a 1, 2 or 3 (not
> 4) battery system.  Now, I know why.  They apparently never intended to
> have 2 batteries in that compartment.  Of course as our boats added
> refrigeration, electronics, and all sorts of other do-dads, owners added a
> 4th battery right over the sea-cock.
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Sink sea cock is under the settee just aft of the forward bulkhead.  I
>> have batteries in my compartment but you may not.  I also have a beckson
>> port (hand hole) which allows access through the floor of the compartment.
>> You may not have this port.  It may just be a hole.
>>
>> I had a spare see cock in my head from when the toilet used raw water.  I
>> plumbed the existing shower drain pump (4gpm, 50 psi deck wash pump) to
>> suck from either the shower or the spare port and then discharge either
>> overboard or to the deck hose connection which I bedded in the deck
>> directly above the pump.  The pump is in the little cubby behind the toilet
>> mounted to the forward bulkhead.  Admittedly it is a little weird to have
>> to reach in the shower to start the deck pump.  Obviously I could create a
>> parallel switching circuit if it became a big deal but since I already have
>> to rearrange a couple valves any way I can't see the point.  I also took
>> the time to install and auxiliary suction which allows me to connect a
>> garden hose.  Now I can dewater anything.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 3, 2017 9:11 PM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>  My 1990 C&C 37+ has a sink in the vee berth.  I am unable to find
>> the seacock for that sink.  Based upon the location of the thru-hull on the
>> outside of the boat, I would suspect it to be under the forward battery
>> box, which would be inaccessible and thus pretty stupid.  I was hoping to
>> tap into that seacock for a wash down pump, but after failing to find the
>> seacock, it occurred to me that it would be really bad if the drain hose
>> failed an I couldn't find the seacock to close it.  So my questions are:
>>
>> 1.  Where is the vee berth sink seacock,
>> and
>> 2.  Where should I connect the salt water intake for the wash down pump.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C&C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
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Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I've seen a flux capacitor and that's not it.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/flux-capacitor.html

Josh

On May 4, 2017 5:23 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Nah!  It's a flux capacitor and it's used for time travel.  It allows you
> to sail your boat "Back to the Future".
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> That size cap has to be for an inverter or maybe an older analog radar.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On May 3, 2017 9:00 PM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, in the box of parts left behind by the prior owner of our 1994 C&C
>>> 37/40+ are two Arcotronics C.87.0EF3 50uf capacitors.  You can see a
>>> picture of them here:  1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz)
>>> 500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE3 MKP | eBay
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> And, they're not exactly cheap, even on Ebay.
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> What are these things for?
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>
>>> $ 35.0
>>> 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor -
>>> C.87.0EE...
>>> 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor -
>>> C.87.0EE3 MKP
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Whitmore
>>>
>>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>>>
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Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I’ve had a difficult time getting the boat up to 88 mph so I can use it, 
though…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On May 4, 2017, at 4:22 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Nah!  It's a flux capacitor and it's used for time travel.  It allows you to 
> sail your boat "Back to the Future".
> 
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> 
> ~~~_/)~~

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Re: Stus-List Sink Seacock

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Agreed.
Gary

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 6:04 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've seen 2 golf cart batteries and a small red top starting battery
> packed in there.  TBH I wasn't even sure if that was originally intended to
> be a battery compartment based on the location of the seacock.  Why didn't
> C&C place the seacock under the sink?  Or under the removable floor plate?
> Or make a new removable floor plate in the v-birth?  I can't gripe about
> too much that C&C did but this definitely seems thoughtless.
>
> Josh
>
> On May 4, 2017 5:20 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall the C&C 37+ Owner's Manual talks about a 1, 2 or 3 (not
>> 4) battery system.  Now, I know why.  They apparently never intended to
>> have 2 batteries in that compartment.  Of course as our boats added
>> refrigeration, electronics, and all sorts of other do-dads, owners added a
>> 4th battery right over the sea-cock.
>>
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C&C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sink sea cock is under the settee just aft of the forward bulkhead.  I
>>> have batteries in my compartment but you may not.  I also have a beckson
>>> port (hand hole) which allows access through the floor of the compartment.
>>> You may not have this port.  It may just be a hole.
>>>
>>> I had a spare see cock in my head from when the toilet used raw water.
>>> I plumbed the existing shower drain pump (4gpm, 50 psi deck wash pump) to
>>> suck from either the shower or the spare port and then discharge either
>>> overboard or to the deck hose connection which I bedded in the deck
>>> directly above the pump.  The pump is in the little cubby behind the toilet
>>> mounted to the forward bulkhead.  Admittedly it is a little weird to have
>>> to reach in the shower to start the deck pump.  Obviously I could create a
>>> parallel switching circuit if it became a big deal but since I already have
>>> to rearrange a couple valves any way I can't see the point.  I also took
>>> the time to install and auxiliary suction which allows me to connect a
>>> garden hose.  Now I can dewater anything.
>>>
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C&C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2017 9:11 PM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  My 1990 C&C 37+ has a sink in the vee berth.  I am unable to find
>>> the seacock for that sink.  Based upon the location of the thru-hull on the
>>> outside of the boat, I would suspect it to be under the forward battery
>>> box, which would be inaccessible and thus pretty stupid.  I was hoping to
>>> tap into that seacock for a wash down pump, but after failing to find the
>>> seacock, it occurred to me that it would be really bad if the drain hose
>>> failed an I couldn't find the seacock to close it.  So my questions are:
>>>
>>> 1.  Where is the vee berth sink seacock,
>>> and
>>> 2.  Where should I connect the salt water intake for the wash down pump.
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> Gary
>>> S/V Kaylarah
>>> '90 C&C 37+
>>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>> ~~~_/)~~
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Electronic Bilge Pump Switch

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I have had very good results with the Water Witch switch I installed two years 
ago.  Installation is easier than a float switch as well.  Just attach to a 
keel stud using zip ties.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruce 
Whitmore via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bruce Whitmore
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronic Bilge Pump Switch

I keep hearing good things about the Water Witch, and put one in along with a 
Whale Gulper pump.   I really like the outcome, but my assessment isn't 
dependable as it's only been a month or two.
Kindest Regards,

Bruce
847.404.5092


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On May 3, 2017, at 10:22 PM, William Walker via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I am on my second failed Johnson spx Ultima Switch.  Both failed over the 
winter several years apart.  When failed I suspect went to default "on" since 
drained battery before friend checked boat for me.  Wiring, pump, connections 
ok.  Switch just won't come on even when tested as per Johnson.
So, not a fan of float switches...anyone have a reliable electronic Bilge pump 
switch they can share?
Bill Walker
CnC  36
Pentwater, Mi.

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On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 ssjohnson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Just had my rudder rebuilt by Competition Composites in Ontario.  I have pics 
of the interior and shaft.  I had been removing the rudder every winter due to 
the water in the rudderso it didn't freeze. .. kept it in the heated 
garage...and let it drain a cup or more of black-brown ooze.   Wasn't a big 
deal to remove and replace it just a bit of a PITA with the quadrant and 
key.  No more removal and replacement cost about $5k with shipping (350 lbs 
to ship it to Ontariowaiting to see if it is much lighter shipping back...)

Spencer Johnson
84 LF 38  "Alegria " #165
Racine WI



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Stus-List Port Lens crazing

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hello all,

I spent Saturday removing and re-bedding my port-lights. well, eight of
them anyway, and I believe I have cure the leaking, It rained like mad
on Tuesday and there is no sign of any water getting past them.
I notice there is some slight crazing beginning on some and I'm 
wondering if

there is anything I can do to help keep that from getting worse. They
are completely bearable at the moment and I'd like to keep them that way
as long as possible.  Some kind of UV protection maybe?

Thanks,
Danny


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Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Kind of like under inflating footballs just a little.
Dave.
SLY 1975 C&C 33

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> On May 3, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> No problem.  Hack saw, bosun chair and poof!  Shorter spreaders.  :)
> 
> Seriously, could be a very subtle cheat for one design or PHRF.  The 35-1 
> class bylaws specify 3' 10.5" for spreader length.  Who would notice a couple 
> inches whacked off?
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I really hate to be a nay sayer about anything in Sail magazine, but the 
>> last racing headsail I had made (a deck sweeper carbon fiber 155) was 
>> designed to be trimmed 4-6” off the upper spreader when hard on the wind – 
>> and the sail maker set the nominal sheet leads for 11 degrees sheeting angle.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The process shown in the article (7 degrees for a 150 and 10 degrees for an 
>> 85) is fine for determining the forward and aft positions of the ends of the 
>> genoa track, and hence the track length. But your sailmaker will probably 
>> have a specific placement for the genoa car within that length of track 
>> depending on the shape of the sail and the width of your rig – among other 
>> things.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rick Brass
>> 
>> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
>> 
>> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
>> 
>> Washington, NC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:49 AM
>> To: cnc-list 
>> Cc: RANDY ; cnc-list 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And I'll be measuring and setting sheeting angles a la 
>> http://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/regattas/headsail-sheeting/ once I get 
>> the time.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Randy Stafford
>> 
>> S/V Grenadine
>> 
>> C&C 30-1 #7
>> 
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

[Harry Hallgring Jr via CnC-List]

Go Pats!!!

Harry
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> On May 4, 2017, at 11:10, David Kaseler via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Kind of like under inflating footballs just a little.
> Dave.
> SLY 1975 C&C 33
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 3, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No problem.  Hack saw, bosun chair and poof!  Shorter spreaders.  :)
>> 
>> Seriously, could be a very subtle cheat for one design or PHRF.  The 35-1 
>> class bylaws specify 3' 10.5" for spreader length.  Who would notice a 
>> couple inches whacked off?
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I really hate to be a nay sayer about anything in Sail magazine, but the 
>>> last racing headsail I had made (a deck sweeper carbon fiber 155) was 
>>> designed to be trimmed 4-6” off the upper spreader when hard on the wind – 
>>> and the sail maker set the nominal sheet leads for 11 degrees sheeting 
>>> angle.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The process shown in the article (7 degrees for a 150 and 10 degrees for an 
>>> 85) is fine for determining the forward and aft positions of the ends of 
>>> the genoa track, and hence the track length. But your sailmaker will 
>>> probably have a specific placement for the genoa car within that length of 
>>> track depending on the shape of the sail and the width of your rig – among 
>>> other things.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick Brass
>>> 
>>> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
>>> 
>>> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
>>> 
>>> Washington, NC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY 
>>> via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:49 AM
>>> To: cnc-list 
>>> Cc: RANDY ; cnc-list 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> And I'll be measuring and setting sheeting angles a la 
>>> http://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/regattas/headsail-sheeting/ once I get 
>>> the time.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Randy Stafford
>>> 
>>> S/V Grenadine
>>> 
>>> C&C 30-1 #7
>>> 
>>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It depends on if you view sailing as a Corinthian sport or a NASCAR type sport.
One team famously got caught making 7/8s scale cars, more than one got onto 
using fuel lines that were hugely bigger than needed, line an inch or two or 
three, to actually function as long fuel tanks.
Joe
Coquina

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Hallgring Jr via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Harry Hallgring Jr 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

Go Pats!!!

Harry
Sent from my iPhone 8 beta

On May 4, 2017, at 11:10, David Kaseler via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Kind of like under inflating footballs just a little.
Dave.
SLY 1975 C&C 33

Sent from my iPad

On May 3, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
No problem.  Hack saw, bosun chair and poof!  Shorter spreaders.  :)

Seriously, could be a very subtle cheat for one design or PHRF.  The 35-1 class 
bylaws specify 3' 10.5" for spreader length.  Who would notice a couple inches 
whacked off?

Dennis C.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I really hate to be a nay sayer about anything in Sail magazine, but the last 
racing headsail I had made (a deck sweeper carbon fiber 155) was designed to be 
trimmed 4-6” off the upper spreader when hard on the wind – and the sail maker 
set the nominal sheet leads for 11 degrees sheeting angle.

The process shown in the article (7 degrees for a 150 and 10 degrees for an 85) 
is fine for determining the forward and aft positions of the ends of the genoa 
track, and hence the track length. But your sailmaker will probably have a 
specific placement for the genoa car within that length of track depending on 
the shape of the sail and the width of your rig – among other things.


Rick Brass
Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC



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Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:49 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: RANDY mailto:randy.staff...@comcast.net>>; 
cnc-list mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

And I'll be measuring and setting sheeting angles a la 
http://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/regattas/headsail-sheeting/ once I get the 
time.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO



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Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

And we were talking last night about a club racer with a C&C 36 a few years ago 
who literally gutted the interior of his boat to get a trophy – damn expensive 
trophy…..

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

 

It depends on if you view sailing as a Corinthian sport or a NASCAR type sport.

One team famously got caught making 7/8s scale cars, more than one got onto 
using fuel lines that were hugely bigger than needed, line an inch or two or 
three, to actually function as long fuel tanks.

Joe

Coquina

 

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Hallgring Jr via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Harry Hallgring Jr mailto:hhallgr...@icloud.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

 

Go Pats!!!

Harry

Sent from my iPhone 8 beta


On May 4, 2017, at 11:10, David Kaseler via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Kind of like under inflating footballs just a little.

Dave.

SLY 1975 C&C 33

Sent from my iPad


On May 3, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

No problem.  Hack saw, bosun chair and poof!  Shorter spreaders.  :)

 

Seriously, could be a very subtle cheat for one design or PHRF.  The 35-1 class 
bylaws specify 3' 10.5" for spreader length.  Who would notice a couple inches 
whacked off?

 

Dennis C.

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I really hate to be a nay sayer about anything in Sail magazine, but the last 
racing headsail I had made (a deck sweeper carbon fiber 155) was designed to be 
trimmed 4-6” off the upper spreader when hard on the wind – and the sail maker 
set the nominal sheet leads for 11 degrees sheeting angle. 

 

The process shown in the article (7 degrees for a 150 and 10 degrees for an 85) 
is fine for determining the forward and aft positions of the ends of the genoa 
track, and hence the track length. But your sailmaker will probably have a 
specific placement for the genoa car within that length of track depending on 
the shape of the sail and the width of your rig – among other things.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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 ] On Behalf Of RANDY via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:49 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: RANDY mailto:randy.staff...@comcast.net> >; 
cnc-list mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

 

And I'll be measuring and setting sheeting angles a la 
http://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/regattas/headsail-sheeting/ once I get the 
time.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 

 


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Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

And as our hero Paul Elvstrom famously said, "You haven't won the race, if in 
winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors."
Dave.
SLY 1975 C&C 33


Sent from my iPad

> On May 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> And we were talking last night about a club racer with a C&C 36 a few years 
> ago who literally gutted the interior of his boat to get a trophy – damn 
> expensive trophy…..
>  
> Gary
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:33 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go
>  
> It depends on if you view sailing as a Corinthian sport or a NASCAR type 
> sport.
> One team famously got caught making 7/8s scale cars, more than one got onto 
> using fuel lines that were hugely bigger than needed, line an inch or two or 
> three, to actually function as long fuel tanks.
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry 
> Hallgring Jr via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:29 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Harry Hallgring Jr 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go
>  
> Go Pats!!!
> 
> Harry
> Sent from my iPhone 8 beta
> 
> On May 4, 2017, at 11:10, David Kaseler via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Kind of like under inflating footballs just a little.
> Dave.
> SLY 1975 C&C 33
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On May 3, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> No problem.  Hack saw, bosun chair and poof!  Shorter spreaders.  :)
>  
> Seriously, could be a very subtle cheat for one design or PHRF.  The 35-1 
> class bylaws specify 3' 10.5" for spreader length.  Who would notice a couple 
> inches whacked off?
>  
> Dennis C.
>  
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> I really hate to be a nay sayer about anything in Sail magazine, but the last 
> racing headsail I had made (a deck sweeper carbon fiber 155) was designed to 
> be trimmed 4-6” off the upper spreader when hard on the wind – and the sail 
> maker set the nominal sheet leads for 11 degrees sheeting angle.
>  
> The process shown in the article (7 degrees for a 150 and 10 degrees for an 
> 85) is fine for determining the forward and aft positions of the ends of the 
> genoa track, and hence the track length. But your sailmaker will probably 
> have a specific placement for the genoa car within that length of track 
> depending on the shape of the sail and the width of your rig – among other 
> things.
>  
>  
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2
> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:49 AM
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: RANDY ; cnc-list 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go
>  
> And I'll be measuring and setting sheeting angles a la 
> http://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/regattas/headsail-sheeting/ once I get the 
> time.
>  
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Once looked at a Swan that had an almost new interior.  Drug runners
stripped it, then someone bought it and Nautor sent them a new interior on
a pallet.  Still had the templates from the 70s!

Joel

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:52 PM, David Kaseler via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> And as our hero Paul Elvstrom famously said, "You haven't won the race, if
> in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors."
> Dave.
> SLY 1975 C&C 33
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> And we were talking last night about a club racer with a C&C 36 a few
> years ago who literally gutted the interior of his boat to get a trophy –
> damn expensive trophy…..
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:33 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go
>
>
>
> It depends on if you view sailing as a Corinthian sport or a NASCAR type
> sport.
>
> One team famously got caught making 7/8s scale cars, more than one got
> onto using fuel lines that were hugely bigger than needed, line an inch or
> two or three, to actually function as long fuel tanks.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Harry Hallgring Jr via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:29 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Harry Hallgring Jr 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go
>
>
>
> Go Pats!!!
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my iPhone 8 beta
>
>
> On May 4, 2017, at 11:10, David Kaseler via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Kind of like under inflating footballs just a little.
>
> Dave.
>
> SLY 1975 C&C 33
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On May 3, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> No problem.  Hack saw, bosun chair and poof!  Shorter spreaders.  :)
>
>
>
> Seriously, could be a very subtle cheat for one design or PHRF.  The 35-1
> class bylaws specify 3' 10.5" for spreader length.  Who would notice a
> couple inches whacked off?
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I really hate to be a nay sayer about anything in Sail magazine, but the
> last racing headsail I had made (a deck sweeper carbon fiber 155) was
> designed to be trimmed 4-6” off the upper spreader when hard on the wind –
> and the sail maker set the nominal sheet leads for 11 degrees sheeting
> angle.
>
>
>
> The process shown in the article (7 degrees for a 150 and 10 degrees for
> an 85) is fine for determining the forward and aft positions of the ends of
> the genoa track, and hence the track length. But your sailmaker will
> probably have a specific placement for the genoa car within that length of
> track depending on the shape of the sail and the width of your rig – among
> other things.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> *Imzadi  *C&C 38 mk 2
>
> *la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *RANDY
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:49 AM
> *To:* cnc-list 
> *Cc:* RANDY ; cnc-list 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go
>
>
>
> And I'll be measuring and setting sheeting angles a la
> http://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/regattas/headsail-sheeting/ once I get
> the time.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Randy Stafford
>
> S/V Grenadine
>
> C&C 30-1 #7
>
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Sail advice for C&Cs in general

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

Richard,

my go to sail is a 135 tape-drive.  Works very well, no observable loss of 
speed unless quite light wind.  Then a deck sweeping 150 is better, but seldom 
needed.  I no longer race

As far as headsail only, I regularly sail that way when the true wind is 8 knot 
or so.  The tacking angles are a bit wider but very relaxed sailing.  One of 
the most fun outing was with the then new 135, and small craft warning.  Genoa 
only, sailed up and down with some thrilling surfing off the wind.

Try it., it works (at least on a 32. :-) )

Leslie.
Phoenix C&C32 1983


On Mon, 5/1/17, bushmark4--- via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice for C&Cs in general
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: bushma...@aol.com
 Date: Monday, May 1, 2017, 11:58 AM
 
 
 Alan, I am glad to hear you do
 well with the 105; I have always heard that our boats get
 their power from the headsail, and was thus reluctant to go
 below a 130; however, if I understand your experience, you
 do as well with a smaller headsail as with a larger one.
    I notice most, if not all of the newer designs have
 very large mains with oversize roach area...have you had to
 do anything to the main?
 
 Another area I have wondered about is if he boat could be
 sailed with the headsail only?  Would you be able to
 develop enough power, and able to steer the boat easily with
 a small headsail?
 
 
 
  thanks
 
 
 
 
 
 Richard
 
 
 
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Richard N. Bush 
 
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
 
 502-584-7255
 
 
  
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 -Original
 Message-
 
 From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
 
 
 To: C&C 
 
 Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
 
 Sent: Mon, May 1, 2017 2:33 pm
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice for 35
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Joe:
 
 
 
 
 When I first got my boat, I raced with a 155.  It kept
 back-winding the main, so I tried using a 135  with better
 results.  I gained six seconds in handicap, and there was
 no noticeable reduction in speed.  Then I tried racing with
 a 105.  I gained another three seconds; I sail just as
 fast, and I point five degrees higher.  In fact, I point
 higher than everyone else in my fleet, and I get to the
 windward mark sooner than the rest of the fleet.  The crew
 can tack faster, and in light air, the sail won't flap
 around like larger sails will.
 
 
 
 
 Alan Bergen
 
 
 35 Mk III Thirsty
 
 
 Rose City YC
 
 
 Portland, OR
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Sail advice - 1, 2 , 3 go

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Dennis,

That was done to a 35-1 in my area, though I don't know how much shorter 
the spreaders were made.  Apparently the PHRF committee was notified, 
but didn't take any action about it.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 5/3/2017 10:56 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

No problem.  Hack saw, bosun chair and poof! Shorter spreaders.  :)

Seriously, could be a very subtle cheat for one design or PHRF.  The 
35-1 class bylaws specify 3' 10.5" for spreader length.  Who would 
notice a couple inches whacked off?


Dennis C.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I really hate to be a nay sayer about anything in Sail magazine,
but the last racing headsail I had made (a deck sweeper carbon
fiber 155) was designed to be trimmed 4-6" off the upper spreader
when hard on the wind -- and the sail maker set the nominal sheet
leads for 11 degrees sheeting angle.

The process shown in the article (7 degrees for a 150 and 10
degrees for an 85) is fine for determining the forward and aft
positions of the ends of the genoa track, and hence the track
length. But your sailmaker will probably have a specific placement
for the genoa car within that length of track depending on the
shape of the sail and the width of your rig -- among other things.

Rick Brass

*Imzadi *C&C 38 mk 2

*la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

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And I'll be measuring and setting sheeting angles a la
http://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/regattas/headsail-sheeting/
 once
I get the time.

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO


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Re: Stus-List Sail advice for 35

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

The light-medium will be a 155%. I considered going larger but was unable to 
work out the trade offs.
With PHRF Lake Ontario there is not much of a penalty, they switched to 1 
sec/mile increments on
adjustments a couple of years ago. I would see -1 FS and -2 NFS.

Even with -1 sec/mile I was unsure if I wanted to carry that for what might be 
an advantage below
5 kts TWS mainly. The heavy-medium does well in light air once we get going, 
better than I expected.
I am guessing that it holds its shape well in light air being a molded sail, 
and at some wind speeds
the shape is as important as the sail area. If the sail cannot settle or trim 
into a nice airfoil then all
you get is more drag with a larger sail.

Lake Ontario has been good for testing, hours of fluttery shifty light winds on 
long races. Once we
stall out it is a whole process to start moving again, and steering too much 
just makes it worse.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1




Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 16:53:05 + (UTC) 
From: "Ronald B. Frerker"  

When you get the light-medium will you be going to a 160% full hoist given the 
heavy is 151%?RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL 
 
 

Cc: Michael Brown  
 Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 6:10 AM 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail advice for 35 
    
Even with a sail larger than 105 the sheeting angle may make a difference. 
There isn't much online about racing sail design for an older C&C 30 so 
some of it is guesswork and some experimenting. 
 
I wanted a sail that would cover a wide wind range, possible now with the 
strength of materials like 3Di. The long term plan is to have a light-medium 
#1 and a heavy-medium #1. I started with the heavy-medium that ended 
up as about a 151.4% but with 10" short on hoist. Even going down to a 
145% at full hoist affected sheeting angle and draft placement. 
 
The range was to be 6 - 19 kts, works well to 21 at which time we reef the 
main. 
Acceleration is slow below 6 kts but that was the compromise. 
 
I have 3 x #3s with different draft running to a short track on deck inside the 
shrouds. At least on the 30 anything further inboard started interfering with 
the main, and the lazy sheet works well as an in haul for small adjustments. 
 
I have a kevlar #2 which doesn't see much use. It is the usual design, a 140% 
with a flatter cut. The flatness tends to reduce the power below 18 kts, and 
above 22 at 140% it is getting too big. I also suspect the sheeting angle isn't 
optimal. As a result I tend to go from the heavy #1 to a #3 unless the wind 
is pretty steady at 20 kts. 
 
The fastest we go upwind is with an 85% headsail, 22 - 24 kts and flat water. 
Still a full main. The 85% has a deep draft forward, points to about 35 AWA, 
and I have seen 6.7 kts on GPS. 
 
Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C&C 30-1 
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Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

I think Edd Schillay probably has several flux capacitors on board the Starship 
Enterprise along with a set of spare di-lithium crystals.  Now if I can only 
find somebody selling an oscillation overthruster, then I can take Half Magic 
to the 8th Dimension although I probably need to go to New Jersey to find one..

Ok..enough!  I’m done with the silly sci-fi references.  Back to toe rail 
varnishing.. (must be the fumes…sigh..)

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:23 AM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Gary Russell 
Subject: Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

 

Nah!  It's a flux capacitor and it's used for time travel.  It allows you to 
sail your boat "Back to the Future".

 

Gary

S/V Kaylarah

'90 C&C 37+

East Greenwich, RI, USA




~~~_/)~~

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

That size cap has to be for an inverter or maybe an older analog radar.

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD 

 

On May 3, 2017 9:00 PM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

OK, in the box of parts left behind by the prior owner of our 1994 C&C 37/40+ 
are two Arcotronics C.87.0EF3 50uf capacitors.  You can see a picture of them 
here:  1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor - 
C.87.0EE3 MKP | eBay 
 

  


And, they're not exactly cheap, even on Ebay. 
   


  


What are these things for? 
   


 

Thanks in advance!

 

Bruce 

 

 





$ 35.0 




   


1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE...


1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE3 MKP



 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Chuck,

Hilarious — and kudos to anyone who understands the oscillation overthruster 
reference — cause no matter where you go, there you are. 

No flux capacitors on my boat — we go back in time by engaging the warp drive 
and slingshotting around the sun. 

Seriously — we do have a warp core on board: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/WarpCore.mov 
 

(Ok — it’s a Bluetooth speaker)



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




> On May 4, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think Edd Schillay probably has several flux capacitors on board the 
> Starship Enterprise along with a set of spare di-lithium crystals.  Now if I 
> can only find somebody selling an oscillation overthruster, then I can take 
> Half Magic to the 8th Dimension although I probably need to go to New Jersey 
> to find one..
> Ok..enough!  I’m done with the silly sci-fi references.  Back to toe rail 
> varnishing.. (must be the fumes…sigh..)
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 Landfall 35 <>
> Padanaram, MA 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Gary Russell via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:23 AM
> To: C&C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Gary Russell mailto:captnga...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?
>  
> Nah!  It's a flux capacitor and it's used for time travel.  It allows you to 
> sail your boat "Back to the Future".
>  
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> 
> ~~~_/)~~
> 
>  
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> That size cap has to be for an inverter or maybe an older analog radar.
>>  
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
>>  
>> On May 3, 2017 9:00 PM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" > > wrote:
>>> OK, in the box of parts left behind by the prior owner of our 1994 C&C 
>>> 37/40+ are two Arcotronics C.87.0EF3 50uf capacitors.  You can see a 
>>> picture of them here:  1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 
>>> 500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE3 MKP | eBay 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> And, they're not exactly cheap, even on Ebay.  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> What are these things for?  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>  
>>> Bruce 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> $ 35.0 
>>> 
>>> 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor - 
>>> C.87.0EE...
>>> 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE3 
>>> MKP
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Bruce Whitmore
>>> 
>>> (847) 404-5092  (mobile)
>>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi All,

Back on earth, gear heads who read practical science, could engineer all kinds 
of things themselves.  I’m guessing a galvanic isolator was planned, and like 
many projects never quiet finished.  Then the lawyers out numbered the 
engineers, lots of paper work ensued, and surveyors wanted monitors or some 
kind of fail-safe device to save us all.  Occasionally the surveyors would tell 
stories of kids and moms electrocuted just off the boat, usually in fresh 
water.  So now the boats are too expensive for mortals to work on the boat, and 
they sit in harbors while, the owners work to pay for the marketing. . . 

Clearly time for me to get off the dock. . .

Lee
Blinded in Seattle





> On May 4, 2017, at 12:49 00PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> Hilarious — and kudos to anyone who understands the oscillation overthruster 
> reference — cause no matter where you go, there you are. 
> 
> No flux capacitors on my boat — we go back in time by engaging the warp drive 
> and slingshotting around the sun. 
> 
> Seriously — we do have a warp core on board: 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/WarpCore.mov 
>  
> 
> (Ok — it’s a Bluetooth speaker)
> 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Edd Schillay probably has several flux capacitors on board the 
>> Starship Enterprise along with a set of spare di-lithium crystals.  Now if I 
>> can only find somebody selling an oscillation overthruster, then I can take 
>> Half Magic to the 8th Dimension although I probably need to go to New Jersey 
>> to find one..
>> Ok..enough!  I’m done with the silly sci-fi references.  Back to toe rail 
>> varnishing.. (must be the fumes…sigh..)
>> Chuck Gilchrest
>> S/V Half Magic
>> 1983 Landfall 35 <>
>> Padanaram, MA 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Gary Russell via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:23 AM
>> To: C&C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: Gary Russell mailto:captnga...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?
>>  
>> Nah!  It's a flux capacitor and it's used for time travel.  It allows you to 
>> sail your boat "Back to the Future".
>>  
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C&C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>> 
>> ~~~_/)~~
>> 
>>  
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> That size cap has to be for an inverter or maybe an older analog radar.
>>>  
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C&C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD 
>>>  
>>> On May 3, 2017 9:00 PM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 OK, in the box of parts left behind by the prior owner of our 1994 C&C 
 37/40+ are two Arcotronics C.87.0EF3 50uf capacitors.  You can see a 
 picture of them here:  1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 
 500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE3 MKP | eBay 
 
 
  
 And, they're not exactly cheap, even on Ebay.  
  
 
  
 What are these things for?  
  
  
 Thanks in advance!
  
 Bruce 
  
  
 $ 35.0 
 
 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor - 
 C.87.0EE...
 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor - 
 C.87.0EE3 MKP
  
  
  
 Bruce Whitmore
 
 (847) 404-5092  (mobile)
 bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net 
 
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Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Couldn't agree more, Lee. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus Lf38 
 Original message From: Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
 Date: 5/4/17  13:02  (GMT-08:00) To: CnC-List 
 Cc: Lee Youngblood  
Subject: Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for? 
Hi All,
Back on earth, gear heads who read practical science, could engineer all kinds 
of things themselves.  I’m guessing a galvanic isolator was planned, and like 
many projects never quiet finished.  Then the lawyers out numbered the 
engineers, lots of paper work ensued, and surveyors wanted monitors or some 
kind of fail-safe device to save us all.  Occasionally the surveyors would tell 
stories of kids and moms electrocuted just off the boat, usually in fresh 
water.  So now the boats are too expensive for mortals to work on the boat, and 
they sit in harbors while, the owners work to pay for the marketing. . . 
Clearly time for me to get off the dock. . .
LeeBlinded in Seattle




On May 4, 2017, at 12:49 00PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Chuck,
Hilarious — and kudos to anyone who understands the oscillation overthruster 
reference — cause no matter where you go, there you are. 
No flux capacitors on my boat — we go back in time by engaging the warp drive 
and slingshotting around the sun. 
Seriously — we do have a warp core on board: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/WarpCore.mov 
(Ok — it’s a Bluetooth speaker)



All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log





On May 4, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
 wrote:
I think Edd Schillay probably has several flux capacitors on board the Starship 
Enterprise along with a set of spare di-lithium crystals.  Now if I can only 
find somebody selling an oscillation overthruster, then I can take Half Magic 
to the 8th Dimension although I probably need to go to New Jersey to find 
one..Ok..enough!  I’m done with the silly sci-fi references.  Back to toe rail 
varnishing.. (must be the fumes…sigh..)Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 
Landfall 35Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
On Behalf Of Gary Russell via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:23 AM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Gary Russell 
Subject: Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for? Nah!  
It's a flux capacitor and it's used for time travel.  It allows you to sail 
your boat "Back to the Future". GaryS/V Kaylarah'90 C&C 37+East Greenwich, RI, 
USA
~~~_/)~~ On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:That size cap has to be for an inverter or maybe 
an older analog radar. Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD  On May 
3, 2017 9:00 PM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List"  
wrote:OK, in the box of parts left behind by the prior owner of our 1994 C&C 
37/40+ are two Arcotronics C.87.0EF3 50uf capacitors.  You can see a picture of 
them here:  1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor - 
C.87.0EE3 MKP | eBay
And, they're not exactly cheap, even on Ebay.  

What are these things for?  
 Thanks in advance! Bruce   $ 35.0 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 
500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE...1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 
500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE3 MKP   Bruce Whitmore

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Re: Stus-List Window replacement

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Update on the process.

All 4 windows are out - gel coat damage is not too bad.

Today before work I chiseled the plexus off 2 window frames. 1 inch at a 
time - a slow process for sure! Canadian Sailcraft covered a lot of 
extra cabin side with plexiglass to make for a sleek window silhouette 
even though they are only covering 2 small openings.


Figure another 90min of chiseling - and then some repairs.

Called multiple places looking for Dow Corning 795  - found one window 
installer that had 1 single tube (most suppliers just had "Dow Corning 
silicone" - and couldn't confirm the product specifically). In the end I 
bought Pecora 895NST from Arrow building supplies in Burnside for only 
$9cdn/tube - the spec's are identical to Dow 795 and the company makes 
it specifically to match the Dow product.


I shouldn't have a problem slightly over sizing my windows - my cabin 
sides don't have insets, just a flat surface.


Mark


There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 2017-04-25 12:55 AM, Alan Liles via CnC-List wrote:
I used a sharp chisel to shave the plexus off the gelcoat. The old 
glue was still flexible enough that sanding didn't work well at all. 
It was a long process as there was a lot of glueline to be cleaned. 
Quite a lot of gelcoat came away with the plexi, which I filled and 
sanded flat. My plexi was slightly oversized and it was a problem 
because of the bevelled inset. I had to bevel the back of the plexi to 
open a channel for the Dow 795.


Al
SV Elendil
94 C&C 37/40+




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Stus-List 37/40 xl rudder repair, rebuild

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

We bought LA Neige with the knowledge there was significant water intrusion
in the rudder. Last winter upon haul out we drilled holes to drain it. What
came out was a brownish, sandy material.
My fear was that the support structure was compromised by rust (previous
owner was at a saltwater marina for 10 years).
I called several places for prices and recommendations. The estimates were
from 4000 to 6000. The repairs ranged from a complete rebuild by Foss foam
to a complete cut open , dig out old foam, replace foam, reglass.
I decided on my local yard, Havre de Grace Marina.
They went the repair route. They cut it open on the starboard side. Dug out
all the old foam.  Inspected the stainless structure, which was in perfect
shape.
They refoamed  with a foam impervious to water. They rebonded the skin to
the foam, then reglass ed, interluxed and bottom painted.
All in all it looks great. They also cut a chamfer around the shaft to fix
the intrusion and reglass ed and sealed it.
Final price was WELL below the other quotes. They also repaired  the
bushing at the rudder shafts entry to the hull.
The result can be seen on our FB page
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1615536788509259&id=1011224262273851
I am very pleased with the final product. It remains to be seen if it holds
up.

Brian Fry
La Neige
C&C 37 40 xl
Havre de Grace MD
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Re: Stus-List ; Seth Thomas Time-Tide Clock

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 My boat came with a nice set of Seth Thomas instruments...a Time and Tide 
clock and a barometer; both with the black faces; they look good on the 
bulkhead! I have not paid much attention to them, do to other priorities...so, 
in cleaning I thought I would stick some batteries in the clock and see how it 
works..; the back needs to come off to put in one "C" battery; there are three 
screws in the back which came out easily, however, the back wont budge; it 
seems to be sealed or maybe it is encrusted with salt?   Does anyone know how 
to open one of these up?   Many thanks

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Stus-List What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Dude

That light in the sky is driving you insane!

Get sailing or get help!

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


 At 01:09 PM 5/4/2017, you wrote:

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Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 13:02:08 -0700
From: Lee Youngblood 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor
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Hi All,

Back on earth, gear heads who read practical science, could engineer 
all kinds of things themselves.  I?m guessing a galvanic isolator 
was planned, and like many projects never quiet finished.  Then the 
lawyers out numbered the engineers, lots of paper work ensued, and 
surveyors wanted monitors or some kind of fail-safe device to save 
us all.  Occasionally the surveyors would tell stories of kids and 
moms electrocuted just off the boat, usually in fresh water.  So now 
the boats are too expensive for mortals to work on the boat, and 
they sit in harbors while, the owners work to pay for the marketing. . .


Clearly time for me to get off the dock. . .

Lee
Blinded in Seattle
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Re: Stus-List Anyone near St. Joseph, Michigan?

[Greg Alimenti via CnC-List]

If it's not too late I can help you.  I live in St. Joseph and have owned a 29 
MkI for twenty three years.  Working on the second restoration and will be 
painting the deck this Spring if it ever stops raining.

Greg Alimenti
galime...@sjcity.com

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Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

actually that is way too big for a galvanic isolator.  But it is about the 
correct value for a ferro-resonant battery charger; notice the AC rating.  The 
charger uses a synchronous loop (L & C, tuned to 60Hz) to keep the supply 
voltage fairly constant.  The charger part just uses a diode bridge, no 
regulation.

I'm afraid it will not make your boat sail faster, actually those weigh a ton 
so probably want to go with the modern semiconductor based version.  ;-)

Leslie.


On Thu, 5/4/17, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: "svpegasus38" 
 Date: Thursday, May 4, 2017, 1:08 PM
 
 Couldn't
 agree more, Lee. 
 
 
 Sent from my T-Mobile
 4G LTE DeviceDoug
 Mountjoy POYC Pegasus Lf38 
  Original
 message From: Lee Youngblood via CnC-List
  Date: 5/4/17  13:02
  (GMT-08:00) To: CnC-List
  Cc: Lee Youngblood
  Subject: Re:
 Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor for?
 
 Hi All,
 Back
 on earth, gear heads who read practical science, could
 engineer all kinds of things themselves.  I’m guessing a
 galvanic isolator was planned, and like many projects never
 quiet finished.  Then the lawyers out numbered the
 engineers, lots of paper work ensued, and surveyors wanted
 monitors or some kind of fail-safe device to save us all.
  Occasionally the surveyors would tell stories of kids and
 moms electrocuted just off the boat, usually in fresh water.
  So now the boats are too expensive for mortals to work on
 the boat, and they sit in harbors while, the owners work to
 pay for the marketing. . . 
 Clearly time for me to get off the
 dock. . .
 LeeBlinded in Seattle
 
 
 
 
 On May 4, 2017, at
 12:49 00PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 Chuck,
 Hilarious — and kudos to anyone who
 understands the oscillation overthruster reference — cause
 no matter where you go, there you are. 
 No
 flux capacitors on my boat — we go back in time by
 engaging the warp drive and slingshotting around the
 sun. 
 Seriously — we do have a warp core
 on board: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/WarpCore.mov 
 (Ok
 — it’s a Bluetooth speaker)
 
 
 
 All the
 best,
 Edd
 
 Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC&C 37+ | Sail No:
 NCC-1701-BCity Island,
 NY Starship
 Enterprise's Captain's Log
 
 
 
 
 
 On May 4, 2017, at
 3:27 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 I
 think Edd Schillay probably has several flux capacitors on
 board the Starship Enterprise along with a set of spare
 di-lithium crystals.  Now if I can only find somebody
 selling an oscillation overthruster, then I can take Half
 Magic to the 8th Dimension
 although I probably need to go to New Jersey to find
 one..Ok..enough!  I’m done with the silly sci-fi
 references.  Back to toe rail varnishing.. (must be the
 fumes…sigh..)Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 Landfall 35Padanaram, MA From: 
CnC-List
 [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary
 Russell via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday,
 May 4, 2017 5:23 AM
 To: C&C
 List 
 Cc: Gary
 Russell 
 Subject: Re:
 Stus-List DQOTD - What is a Arcotronic 50 uf Capacitor
 for?
  Nah!  It's a flux capacitor and it's
 used for time travel.  It allows you to sail your boat
 "Back to the Future".
  GaryS/V Kaylarah'90 C&C 37+East Greenwich, RI, USA
 ~~~_/)~~
  On
 Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
 
 wrote:That size cap has to be for an inverter or
 maybe an older analog radar.
  Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD 
  On
 May 3, 2017 9:00 PM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List"
 
 wrote:OK, in the box of parts left behind by the
 prior owner of our 1994 C&C 37/40+ are two Arcotronics
 C.87.0EF3 50uf capacitors.  You can see a picture of them
 here:  1pcs -
 ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor -
 C.87.0EE3 MKP | eBay
 And,
 they're not exactly cheap, even on Ebay.  
 
 What are
 these things for?  
 
  Thanks in advance!
  Bruce 
  
  $ 35.0 1pcs - ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz)
 500V(180/15) Capacitor - C.87.0EE...1pcs -
 ARCOTRONICS 50uF /50µF 450V(50Hz) 500V(180/15) Capacitor -
 C.87.0EE3 MKP
  
   Bruce
 Whitmore
 
 (847)
 404-5092 (mobile)
 bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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