Re: Stus-List Boat Show

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The spring show is about one quarter the size of the fall show   The
factory guys do not come.

Lots of local riggers retailers and used boats. Nothing like the fall show
or the Newport show.
Joel
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:34 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I usually go in October.  Never been to the spring show.  A trip to
> Annapolis is always fun.  Very cool town.  DC is only 30 or 45 minutes away
> too so if the show doesn't turn out to be what you want then you can still
> make something of your time.  If you are going "to see all the boats" then
> go to something local or wait till October.  If you're looking for
> inspiration, tools, products, demonstrations, or other resources and want
> to make a mini vacation out it then come on down.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Apr 13, 2017 11:20 PM, "ahycrace--- via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a boat show in Annapolis on the 28th to the 30th we were
>> thinking of making it a road trip.
>> Can anybody tell me if it is a worthwhile event to go to?  Spring, boat
>> show, fresh crabs, cold beer
>> sounds like its worth the trip from Rhode Island to me. Has anybody from
>> the area attended in the
>> past or going this year?
>>
>>Gary Kolc
>>  "Liberty"
>>  38' MK II
>>
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Re: Stus-List Used Equipment Site (Chuck Gilchrest) - boatlist.org

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey all,

Just wanted to chime in here as the guy who started boatlist.org.  

The site has turned into a little hobby project for me.  It's great to see 
people using the site and having success.  The site has also been shared with 
the folks at the Morgan 38 Owners forum and the Pearson 424 owners forum.

Boatlist.org is not high ranked in the search engines as I just haven't thrown 
the money into search engine optimization - again it's a hobby project and I 
have a good old boat that gets most of my extra $$.  The good news is that the 
people looking at and posting on the site are mostly members of sailboat owners 
forums, so I think there is a bit of quality control there in terms of who is 
using the site.

Anyhow, it's newly redesigned now with an automated posting process.  I get an 
alert when an ad is posted and I approve most ads within a few minutes as I get 
a notification on my phone.  

As usual, let me know if there are ways you think I can improve the site.

All the best,

Ryan
boatlist.org
Juniper
1983 Pearson 424 Ketch 
(Former 1976 C&C 30mki owner)


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Re: Stus-List Used Equipment Site (Chuck Gilchrest) - boatlist.org

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Ryan,

could there be a way to compress photos right off my phone.  I went to 
post photos for my ad but they were too big.  I'd have to download then 
reduce the size then go back in and post them.  I know my cell phone app 
asks if I want to reduce the size of photos i try to send in an email 
and I thought maybe that could work on your site too?


Anyway, I posted without photos from my phone.

Danny


On 4/14/2017 7:46 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:

Hey all,

Just wanted to chime in here as the guy who started boatlist.org.

The site has turned into a little hobby project for me.  It's great to see 
people using the site and having success.  The site has also been shared with 
the folks at the Morgan 38 Owners forum and the Pearson 424 owners forum.

Boatlist.org is not high ranked in the search engines as I just haven't thrown 
the money into search engine optimization - again it's a hobby project and I 
have a good old boat that gets most of my extra $$.  The good news is that the 
people looking at and posting on the site are mostly members of sailboat owners 
forums, so I think there is a bit of quality control there in terms of who is 
using the site.

Anyhow, it's newly redesigned now with an automated posting process.  I get an 
alert when an ad is posted and I approve most ads within a few minutes as I get 
a notification on my phone.

As usual, let me know if there are ways you think I can improve the site.

All the best,

Ryan
boatlist.org
Juniper
1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
(Former 1976 C&C 30mki owner)


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Re: Stus-List Used Equipment Site (Chuck Gilchrest) - boatlist.org

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Nice work.  Jerry 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2017, at 7:46 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Just wanted to chime in here as the guy who started boatlist.org.  
> 
> The site has turned into a little hobby project for me.  It's great to see 
> people using the site and having success.  The site has also been shared with 
> the folks at the Morgan 38 Owners forum and the Pearson 424 owners forum.
> 
> Boatlist.org is not high ranked in the search engines as I just haven't 
> thrown the money into search engine optimization - again it's a hobby project 
> and I have a good old boat that gets most of my extra $$.  The good news is 
> that the people looking at and posting on the site are mostly members of 
> sailboat owners forums, so I think there is a bit of quality control there in 
> terms of who is using the site.
> 
> Anyhow, it's newly redesigned now with an automated posting process.  I get 
> an alert when an ad is posted and I approve most ads within a few minutes as 
> I get a notification on my phone.  
> 
> As usual, let me know if there are ways you think I can improve the site.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Ryan
> boatlist.org
> Juniper
> 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch 
> (Former 1976 C&C 30mki owner)
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolts: To Lube or Not To Lube

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

If the keel bolts and nuts are stainless I'd use Tef Gel as a lubricant and
lower the torque values 10% as Neil suggested.

"The function of Tef-Gel in eliminating seizing galling and friction
welding of stainless steel, inconel, and other nickel alloys.  Tef-Gel
applied to both mating surfaces of nuts and bolts or threaded holes and
bolts leaves a layer of 40% solid PTFE within the thread interface, which
works as friction barrier. Tef-Gel, which contains 0% volatile solvents,
will no evaporate, cold flow, or dry out, giving protection many years
later when hardware must be dissembled."

Available a West Marine, Jamestown Distributors and at the Binnacle:
http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=8658

Ken H.

On 13 April 2017 at 18:24, Neil Schiller via CnC-List  wrote:

> Lower all torque values by 10% if using any lubricant.  Most torque values
> are for "clean and dry threads".
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
> (C&C 35, Mark I)
> "Corsair"
>
> On 4/13/2017 10:18 AM, Eugene Fodor via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I'm planning on checking the torque on my keel bolts this week-end. My
> boat is on the hard. I see the torque chart values on the C&C website, but
> it doesn't indicate whether or not to lubricate the bolts and what to use
> if you do lubricate. It's my understanding from a little research that the
> torque value also change based on presence of lubrication. What do you all
> think?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gene
> "Hawk"
> C&C 29-2
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Used Equipment Site (Chuck Gilchrest) - boatlist.org

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Any thoughts to creating a subscription? Something that emails a subscriber
to tell them when a new listing is posted?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017, 7:47 AM Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Just wanted to chime in here as the guy who started boatlist.org.
>
> The site has turned into a little hobby project for me.  It's great to see
> people using the site and having success.  The site has also been shared
> with the folks at the Morgan 38 Owners forum and the Pearson 424 owners
> forum.
>
> Boatlist.org is not high ranked in the search engines as I just haven't
> thrown the money into search engine optimization - again it's a hobby
> project and I have a good old boat that gets most of my extra $$.  The good
> news is that the people looking at and posting on the site are mostly
> members of sailboat owners forums, so I think there is a bit of quality
> control there in terms of who is using the site.
>
> Anyhow, it's newly redesigned now with an automated posting process.  I
> get an alert when an ad is posted and I approve most ads within a few
> minutes as I get a notification on my phone.
>
> As usual, let me know if there are ways you think I can improve the site.
>
> All the best,
>
> Ryan
> boatlist.org
> Juniper
> 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
> (Former 1976 C&C 30mki owner)
>
>
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Stus-List Best-est wax or other protectant

[Chuck Saur via CnC-List]

Yikes!  Thanks, Bill.  Yes, my labeling jargon edit button was off.
Topsides on my boat sport AwlCraft, and only get the Awlgrip protectant.
The deck and cockpit have deserved attention, but are not bad.  I have read
that the sandpaper treatment is not an annual recommendation and I want to
preserve that best I can. There is still something counterintuitive about
even wet-sanding smooth fiberglass...

I did spend some of the kids' inheritance and bought Woody Wax to try on
non-skid.  We'll see how that turns out.  If anyone has experience with
that product, please share!?


*Chuck Saur*
*Morning Sky*

*C&C 35-3*
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Re: Stus-List Best-est wax or other protectant

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

My experience with woodwax was that you had to have clean and lightly wet
decks.  Spritz the deck brush and then scrub the product onto the deck.  It
is slippery when wet so watch yourself.  Beyond that I found it kind of
hard to tell where the product was - wet or dry.  Since I did the entire
deck I didn't have any thing to compare to but the deck did seem to stay
cleaner longer.  UV protection?  Who knows.  Be careful to avoid windows or
to completely dry them with a towel otherwise tenacious spots occur.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Apr 14, 2017 8:44 AM, "Chuck Saur via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Yikes!  Thanks, Bill.  Yes, my labeling jargon edit button was off.
> Topsides on my boat sport AwlCraft, and only get the Awlgrip protectant.
> The deck and cockpit have deserved attention, but are not bad.  I have read
> that the sandpaper treatment is not an annual recommendation and I want to
> preserve that best I can. There is still something counterintuitive about
> even wet-sanding smooth fiberglass...
>
> I did spend some of the kids' inheritance and bought Woody Wax to try on
> non-skid.  We'll see how that turns out.  If anyone has experience with
> that product, please share!?
>
>
> *Chuck Saur*
> *Morning Sky*
>
> *C&C 35-3*
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Best-est wax or other protectant

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Another vote for Poliglow for topsides and WoodyWax for deck.  I have been 
using Poliglow on the Awlgripped topsides despite the negative recommendation 
from the paint people.  I get complimented on the hull every year by passersby 
despite the desperate need for a new paint job (scratches, not shine).  It 
hides the problems remarkably well.  I also redid the floor of the cockpit with 
Kiwigrip last year and that was one of the best upgrades I have done to the 
boat.  It was really hard to stand and move around while healed before even 
after Woodywax treatment.  No problem now.  Dave
Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Used Equipment Site - boatlist.org

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Danny,

I just upped the max image upload size to 1.6 megs, so anything you take on
an iphone should upload straight to the site now.


Joel,

I'm using a wordpress plugin for the classifieds...  It's currently set to
let users know when a new ad has been posted, but you have to post an ad to
become a user.  There's no way yet to just get you on a list to be
notified... I'm going to look into this.


Jerry,

Thanks!
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Stus-List racing a C&C 24

[Doug Ellmore via CnC-List]

I am making adjustments to my C&C 24 to optimize for racing.

Chesapeake PHRF rules states for the for the Corinthian class:

"All normally installed equipment including doors, tables, stoves, head
equipment, floorboards, cushions, etc. must be carried in their normal
position while sailing"

I remove the older non-working head yesterday and put in place a 2.5 gal
portable head.  I closed and capped the through hulls, too.  I can add
water to the head from the bay when we need to flush.

The C&C 24 came with a little 2 burner Coleman style propane stove. I don't
plan to cook much on her.  But, I would like a good approach to heat water
for freezer bag food and beverages.

I have pulled out the cushions, but plan to put in a lighter approach for
overnight racing.  Either a freshly made lighter weight 1/4" plywood
platform that can be used with an air matress or experiment with a rigging
two hammocks for night watch bunks.  I figure one end of the hammock could
be supported by the internal mast.

Any suggestions on stove or rigging hammocks?

-- 
Doug Ellmore, Sr.
s/v Red Sky, 1976 C&C 24
d...@ellmore.net
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Re: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice

[john sandford via CnC-List]

Do you have an internal track for the conduit? Or even are you using a
conduit for the wires.?

I completely rewired my mast last winter. Had just bought the boat in the
spring of 2015, and spent the whole summer listening to the wiring slapping
around inside.

So pulled it all out, along with all the lights, spreaders and rigging.
Basically ended up with a piece of aluminium that I then sanded and painted,
but that’s another story.

The problem was how to get the new wiring, inside a conduit, and secured.

Read everything could find but didn’t want to drill holes In the mast, use
tie wraps, or foam.

Decided that I wanted the weight of the cable harness to be supported by
anything but the cable connections, and knots.

On the top mast plate, I drilled and tapped a hole with ½” NPT, and this
would be the primary place to pull the harness and leave it supported from.

Purchased a stainless steel ‘chinese finger puzzle’ type puller from an
electrical wholesaler. This would end up hanging on an eyebolt from the ½”
npt plug that eventually got screwed in the pulling hole.

Then ran thin leaders from mast top, steaming light, spreaders, etc. to the
bottom.

For a conduit, bought many 6ft lengths of white CPVC (?) pipe. (Total mast
height was <> 50ft I think)

Used ¾ from the Top to the steaming light, and 1” from there down as the
cable bundle got thicker.

Bought very small sail sliders, which were shaved down a bit to fit the
track, and each 6ft section of pipe was notched to take one slider, which
was glued and locked with a tab. The other end of the conduit pipe had a
coupling glued to it, ready for section 2.

With the harness laid on the ground the first pipe section was slid over the
cable, the SS cable puller secured over it, and the a leader attached. The
slider slipped into the track and pulled from the top, one pipe length.

Second section was slipped over the same way, and after ensuring radial
alignment of the sliders, it was glued to the first section.

Repeat as necessary till done. Obviously there are pipe tees involved at the
steaming and spreader heights to allow cable to go to those areas.

At the bottom, my cables exit a large hole to Port about 2” above the base.

It is hard to explain in words, and certainly had lots of learning and
mistakes as I went.

In all we had the entire conduit and cable up and down about 5 times till
was happy with it. Fortunately was able to pull the entire assembled system
out and onto the roadway at the Marina, with a few traffic cones.

At the same time, ran 3 new halyards, and spent hours ensuring they would
have a fair run with no interference of the conduit, or chafing on other
internals.

Did add some pipe insulation around the conduit, about 4” long every 6 ft,
as I was concerned about the conduit flopping side to side with rolling, and
stressing the sail sliders.

Have number of photos, but do not know how to share them here. If you are
interested, let me know and will email them.

I decided to hang the conduit as opposed to trying to secure it along the
length (The drill and pop river method) because I was concerned, among other
things, about the thermal expansion difference between aluminium and PVC. My
math said up to 1/4”.

Sorry for the long story, but it turned out to be a very worthwhile project,
as a) it is silent, b) it needed rewiring anyway c) I wont have to touch it
again in my lifetime.

 

Good luck

John

 

Landfall 38 

 

 

 

From: Ron Ricci [mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com] 
Sent: April-12-17 8:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 'kelly petew'
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice

 

Pete,

 

I rewired my mast several years ago.  Since my lights are all LED’s, the
current draw is very low and #18 is fine.  I used Alpha 1897C SL005 where I
needed two conductors (such as Windex light) and Alpha 1898C 3C for three
conductors (such as foredeck/steaming light).  These cables are PVC jacketed
and have tinned copper conductors.  To me having cables is better than
individual conductors and these cables are smaller than multiple conductor
boat cable.

 

If you have a rat’s nest of wires, I’d consider pulling everything out.  If
possible leave a wire for a messenger or get a snake.

 

Good luck,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of kelly
petew via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 5:02 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: kelly petew
Subject: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice

 

Hello Listers, 

First, some background --

Earlier this year, I had the mast extracted from Siren Song, my 30-2.  The
rigger has completed his work, replacing the rod rigging and fittings, and
rebuilding my Harken furler.  

Also, I just finished painting the mast and spreaders with a one-part paint.

 

Now, I want to rewire the mast.  Preparatory to the extraction, I labeled
the wires, marked fittings and block

Re: Stus-List racing a C&C 24

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Get one of those little stoves that restaurants use for heating things at the 
table. I am afraid you may be disappointed with the Corinthians. I have heard 
that most of them have big fast cruisers….. I am staying with PHRF just 
because. I’ll check after the Annapolis to St. Michaels race and see how it 
works out.

 

Gary

30-1, St. Michaels

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Doug Ellmore 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:16 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Doug Ellmore 
Subject: Stus-List racing a C&C 24

 

I am making adjustments to my C&C 24 to optimize for racing.

Chesapeake PHRF rules states for the for the Corinthian class:

"All normally installed equipment including doors, tables, stoves, head 
equipment, floorboards, cushions, etc. must be carried in their normal position 
while sailing"

I remove the older non-working head yesterday and put in place a 2.5 gal 
portable head.  I closed and capped the through hulls, too.  I can add water to 
the head from the bay when we need to flush.


The C&C 24 came with a little 2 burner Coleman style propane stove. I don't 
plan to cook much on her.  But, I would like a good approach to heat water for 
freezer bag food and beverages.

I have pulled out the cushions, but plan to put in a lighter approach for 
overnight racing.  Either a freshly made lighter weight 1/4" plywood platform 
that can be used with an air matress or experiment with a rigging two hammocks 
for night watch bunks.  I figure one end of the hammock could be supported by 
the internal mast.

Any suggestions on stove or rigging hammocks?


-- 

Doug Ellmore, Sr.

s/v Red Sky, 1976 C&C 24

d...@ellmore.net  

 

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