Re: Stus-List whisker pole rebuild

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Tom,

 

I replaced the control line on my whisker pole 4 years ago though the end
fittings on my whisker pole were attached with SS bolts tapped into the AL
end fittings vs. rivets.  Once the "larger" end fitting was off I was able
to pull the sections apart sufficiently to just reach the dead end of the
line inside the tube.  Could pull some slack in the line through the pad eye
riveted inside the tube to untie the knot, attach a messenger line and pull
the old line out.  Running the new line with the messenger took a little
jiggling back and forth to get it to seat properly in the sheave at the end
of the stinger rod.  Then just put an overhand knot [aka a half hitch] as a
stopper knot and reassembled.  

 

Getting the SS bolts loose from the AL end fittings almost took longer than
replacing the control line.  

 

Good luck,

Brian

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Buscaglia via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Buscaglia 
Subject: Stus-List whisker pole rebuild

 

I finally got around to using the whisker pole on Alera last summer and
loved it.  That and the preventer fashioned from the block set from an old
boom vang on our C&C 35 Mk1 made for some very sweet and comfortable
downwind sailing, including some wing and wing with much less stress than
balancing all that cloth from the helm.

The Forespar whisker pole does not look like it was used much.  But it could
use to have the control lines inside and out replaced.  A nice simple winter
project...well maybe.  I have an idea of what I'm getting into courtesy of a
few sailor's blog posts linked below.  

Here are the blog links.

http://justalittlefurther.com/the-blue-view/the-blue-view-rigging-for-downwi
nd-sailing/ 

http://theretirementproject.blogspot.com/2016/10/rebuilding-forespar-whisker
-pole.html 

So, I thought I would check in with the brain trust here before I start
drilling out rivets.

Tom B



Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com  


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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Mike Brannon via CnC-List]

All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn is 
trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made by a 
local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to either newer 
style rod fittings or dyform.

Mike
Virginia Lee  93295
C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

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> On Feb 13, 2017, at 23:12, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I suggest contacting South 
> Shore Yachts in Niagara-on-the-Lake.  Not only did it acquire a lot of C&C 
> parts and information after the original company went bankrupt, it was (and 
> may still be) a Navtec agent.  I bought the original C&C "build file" for my 
> 34 from South Shore, which was possible because South Shore acquired all of 
> C&C's old records.  When I replaced the stays on that boat, South Shore made 
> the replacements, including the "new" (at the time) heads and fittings for 
> the mast.  Rob MacLachlan can likely answer your questions.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Steve via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 3:50 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Steve
> Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging.
> 
> My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermediate 
> shrouds. In trying to get them re-headed I discovered I'm missing 1 ball from 
> under the cap. The through bolt needs replacing as well as possibly the caps. 
> Question is, did Navtec go to a different option because of the dissimilar 
> metals issue? Suggestions please?
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Mike Brannon via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Steve,   Make sure that you take a good look at the knees which the shroud 
>> and back stay chain plates attach.   These are a known weak spot on boats of 
>> our vintage.About 9 years ago the tabbing on one of mine started 
>> separating.  I was fortunate that I found it before a catastrophic failure.
>> 
>> About every 2-3 years I find that I have to snug up on some of the toe rail 
>> fasteners.   Generally a 1 flat turn re-seals.
>> 
>> Sail safe,
>> 
>> Mike
>> Virginia LEE.  93295
>> 1978 C&C 36 CB
>> Virginia Beach, Va
>> Sent from my iPad Mini
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 22:14, Steve via CnC-List  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Regarding recurring water in the bilge: I am busy going over everything on 
>>> my newly acquired 1980 CNC 36.  My mast is off pending repairs to the 
>>> rigging. I have checked and double checked water tanks (2), water lines, 
>>> and keel bolts.  No water coming from them or any of the 7 through hull 
>>> fittings.  After using a shop vac to remove any trace of water in the bilge 
>>> I return the next day and continue to find about 1/2 gallon of water in the 
>>> bilge.  I am now convinced that it is coming back from the manual bilge 
>>> hose which outputs through a Y connection on the bilge pump output hose.  I 
>>> evacuated that tonight.  We’ll see in the morning.  If I find any, it will 
>>> be either salt or bleach.  That should help narrow it down, as I have 
>>> bleach in the water tanks.  The holding tank is empty. Good thing for the 
>>> taste test!
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Thomas Delaney via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
 Hello listers,
 
 In December I finalized the purchase of my first keelboat, a C&C 35 Mk I, 
 after receiving an extremely thorough and detailed list of items to survey 
 from Joe Della Barba. Joe, thanks again for your help!
 
 The previous owner of the boat was a local racing legend who ran a marina 
 near Glen Island, NY. He had been giving me advice on readying the boat 
 for her new life on a mooring after spending the last four decades in a 
 slip adjacent to his houseboat. Unfortunately, he passed away last weekend.
 
 One of the questions I had yet to broach was the accumulation of water in 
 the bilge. The boat has been on the hard, shrinkwrapped, for three years. 
 I've been pumping the bilge dry every two-four weeks, and it seems to be 
 about 2-4 gallons of water as measured by a big plastic bucket. I'm not 
 sure where the water is coming from. Apart from the bilge, water is 
 pooling in the forward-most storage compartment under the port settee. My 
 first instinct is to have a friend on deck hold the screws on the toerails 
 and stanchion bases while I slightly tighten the nuts below deck and see 
 if the water ingress stops. Does that make sense? Is there a different, 
 better course of action I should take at this time? Does anyone know 
 offhand what size socket I'll need?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Tom
 
 ---
 Snow Goose
 C&C 35 Mk I
 City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. If it is someone need to tell the 
Emirates Americas Cup Team.

The last two announcements on the Navtec website were that they were expanding 
their manufacturing capacity, and that they were discontinuing manufacturing of 
Norseman fittings. Can the it be that the discontinuation of Norseman fittings 
has morphed into "out of business"?

Can anyone confirm Mike's information?

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Mike Brannon 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn is 
trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made by a 
local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to either newer 
style rod fittings or dyform.

Mike
Virginia Lee  93295
C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

I just saw something on sailing-anarchy that said that it's just the US
side of NavTec that is closing up.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:20 AM Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. If it is someone need to tell the
> Emirates Americas Cup Team.
>
> The last two announcements on the Navtec website were that they were
> expanding their manufacturing capacity, and that they were discontinuing
> manufacturing of Norseman fittings. Can the it be that the discontinuation
> of Norseman fittings has morphed into "out of business"?
>
> Can anyone confirm Mike's information?
>
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Brannon via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Mike Brannon 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.
>
> All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn
> is trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made
> by a local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to
> either newer style rod fittings or dyform.
>
> Mike
> Virginia Lee  93295
> C&C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> Sent from my iPad Mini
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I read on SA that Navtec US closed, but the French operation is still
ongoing.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. If it is someone need to tell the
> Emirates Americas Cup Team.
>
> The last two announcements on the Navtec website were that they were
> expanding their manufacturing capacity, and that they were discontinuing
> manufacturing of Norseman fittings. Can the it be that the discontinuation
> of Norseman fittings has morphed into "out of business"?
>
> Can anyone confirm Mike's information?
>
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Brannon via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Mike Brannon 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.
>
> All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn
> is trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made
> by a local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to
> either newer style rod fittings or dyform.
>
> Mike
> Virginia Lee  93295
> C&C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> Sent from my iPad Mini
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Harry Hallgring Jr via CnC-List]

Navtec closed last Monday. 

Harry
Sent from my iPhone 8 beta

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 09:22, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I just saw something on sailing-anarchy that said that it's just the US side 
> of NavTec that is closing up.
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:20 AM Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. If it is someone need to tell the 
>> Emirates Americas Cup Team.
>> 
>> The last two announcements on the Navtec website were that they were 
>> expanding their manufacturing capacity, and that they were discontinuing 
>> manufacturing of Norseman fittings. Can the it be that the discontinuation 
>> of Norseman fittings has morphed into "out of business"?
>> 
>> Can anyone confirm Mike's information?
>> 
>> Rick Brass
>> Washington, NC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
>> Brannon via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Mike Brannon 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.
>> 
>> All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn is 
>> trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made by 
>> a local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to either 
>> newer style rod fittings or dyform.
>> 
>> Mike
>> Virginia Lee  93295
>> C&C 36 CB
>> Virginia Beach, VA
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad Mini
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Deteriorated mast step (LF38 replacement)

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yeah.  Kinda had that thought when I had mine remade out of aluminum.
Aluminum mast, aluminum step box.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Neil Schiller via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Galvanic corrosion?
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
> (C&C 35, Mark I)
> "Corsair"
> White Lake, Michigan
>
>
> On 2/13/2017 5:39 PM, ahycrace via CnC-List wrote:
>
> The maststep on liberty is cast stainless heavy yes but very strong why
> would any of them be made of anything else?  1976 mk ll
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Dreuge via CnC-List  
> Date: 2/13/17 11:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Dreuge  
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Deteriorated mast step (LF38 replacement)
>
>
> Broken mast steps are a know problem for Landfall 38s.  When I unstepped
> my mast, the old step lifted out in two halves.
>
> Wally Bryant describes having a new one fabricated and welded together.
> I spoke to a welder about having a similar one fabricated, and was advised
> to have one CNC milled from a solid block as it was a "set it and forget
> it" operation whereas welding was going to be labor intensive.  I did some
> of the leg work myself, and in the end spent about $300 for a new
> fabricated step.   I have a write up online which includes a CAD drawing
> that was used to create the CNC step file.
>
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/MastStep
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
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Re: Stus-List Deteriorated mast step (LF38 replacement)

[Neil Schiller via CnC-List]

I wouldn't worry about the step.  It is massive compared to the mast.  I 
would worry about corrosion of the base of the mast.  I would at least 
paint the base of the mast with a polyimide epoxy primer or coat the 
base in tefgel.


Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"


On 2/13/2017 10:01 PM, ahycrace--- via CnC-List wrote:

Humm could be, theroretically, however mine has no wear at all after 41 years 
and we all have seen what others can look like.

Gary K.  "Liberty"
 Neil Schiller via CnC-List  wrote:

Galvanic corrosion?

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
White Lake, Michigan

On 2/13/2017 5:39 PM, ahycrace via CnC-List wrote:

The maststep on liberty is cast stainless heavy yes but very strong
why would any of them be made of anything else?  1976 mk ll



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: Dreuge via CnC-List 
Date: 2/13/17 11:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dreuge 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deteriorated mast step (LF38 replacement)


Broken mast steps are a know problem for Landfall 38s.  When I
unstepped my mast, the old step lifted out in two halves.

Wally Bryant describes having a new one fabricated and welded
together.   I spoke to a welder about having a similar one fabricated,
and was advised to have one CNC milled from a solid block as it was a
"set it and forget it" operation whereas welding was going to be labor
intensive.  I did some of the leg work myself, and in the end spent
about $300 for a new fabricated step.   I have a write up online which
includes a CAD drawing that was used to create the CNC step file.


http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/MastStep

-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/


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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

The note below was Rob MacLachlan’s (South Shore Yachts) response to my inquiry 
re: Navtec:

Hi Matthew 

It appears Navtec is out of business. However we are still able to repair 
Navtec Hydraulics and repair and replace all rod rigging so it is business as 
usual.

Cheers
Rob

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

I read on SA that Navtec US closed, but the French operation is still ongoing.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. If it is someone need to tell the 
Emirates Americas Cup Team.

  The last two announcements on the Navtec website were that they were 
expanding their manufacturing capacity, and that they were discontinuing 
manufacturing of Norseman fittings. Can the it be that the discontinuation of 
Norseman fittings has morphed into "out of business"?

  Can anyone confirm Mike's information?

  Rick Brass
  Washington, NC



  -Original Message-
  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
Brannon via CnC-List
  Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Mike Brannon 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

  All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn is 
trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made by a 
local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to either newer 
style rod fittings or dyform.

  Mike
  Virginia Lee  93295
  C&C 36 CB
  Virginia Beach, VA

  Sent from my iPad Mini




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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I received an email from my rigger last night saying that Navtec was out of 
business. Given that I’m replacing the all the rod for our rig, I expect that 
this will be interesting. Right off the bat the original Navtec hydraulic 
backstay was declared unrepairable which is fine by me. It was not working very 
well after that last rebuild.

I’ll be on the blower today with my rigger and if I understand anything beyond 
what I know now I’ll report back.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just saw something on sailing-anarchy that said that it's just the US side 
> of NavTec that is closing up.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:20 AM Rick Brass via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. If it is someone need to tell the 
> Emirates Americas Cup Team.
> 
> The last two announcements on the Navtec website were that they were 
> expanding their manufacturing capacity, and that they were discontinuing 
> manufacturing of Norseman fittings. Can the it be that the discontinuation of 
> Norseman fittings has morphed into "out of business"?
> 
> Can anyone confirm Mike's information?
> 
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Mike Brannon via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Mike Brannon mailto:ff1...@aol.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.
> 
> All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn is 
> trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made by a 
> local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to either newer 
> style rod fittings or dyform.
> 
> Mike
> Virginia Lee  93295
> C&C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
> 
> Sent from my iPad Mini
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Steve, 
  My name is also Steve, and I am also fixing up a 1980 C&C 36, so it 
would help to reduce confusion if you would provide a little more 
identification in your posts. Most of listers have adopted the convention of 
signing with our boat model and location, or something along that line. I look 
forward to comparing notes on our respective projects. If you have the rig 
down, I would like to know what size thread is on the intermediate shroud 
rigging screw. One of mine broke in hurricane Matthew. It looks like 5/16 from 
the deck, but I would like to know without having to climb up there.  

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL 

 Steve via CnC-List  wrote: 
My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermediate 
shrouds. In trying to get them re-headed I discovered I'm missing 1 ball from 
under the cap. The through bolt needs replacing as well as possibly the caps. 
Question is, did Navtec go to a different option because of the dissimilar 
metals issue? Suggestions please?
Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=180436

Wow, that's a sad day for boats with rod rigging. Having one distributor /
manufacturer of rod isn't good for competitiveness and ease of
availability. My BSI order is going on 7 weeks now, and 2-3 months since we
first gave them initial specs.

Not saying it would always take that long, but if it does and you broke a
shroud, 2-3 month wait time could knock out an entire sailing season!

-Patrick
1984 C&C LF38

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:34 AM,  wrote:

> From: Kevin Paxton 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc:
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:22:27 +
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.
> I just saw something on sailing-anarchy that said that it's just the US
> side of NavTec that is closing up.
>
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.an

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

This is a tough market in North America for sailboat spar makers and rigging 
equipment manufacturers.  Late 2016 Hall Spars folded up their US operation in 
Bristol, RI and now NavTec rigging equipment seems to be following suit.  

That said, if you need to get virtually any Navtec fitting, Seco South in Largo 
Florida has been the default “go to” place for replacement bits and pieces, rod 
rigging, etc.

https://www.secosouth.com/online-catalog/

 

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

 

Navtec closed last Monday. 

Harry

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On Feb 14, 2017, at 09:22, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I just saw something on sailing-anarchy that said that it's just the US side of 
NavTec that is closing up.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:20 AM Rick Brass via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. If it is someone need to tell the 
Emirates Americas Cup Team.

The last two announcements on the Navtec website were that they were expanding 
their manufacturing capacity, and that they were discontinuing manufacturing of 
Norseman fittings. Can the it be that the discontinuation of Norseman fittings 
has morphed into "out of business"?

Can anyone confirm Mike's information?

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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 ] On Behalf Of Mike Brannon via CnC-List
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Cc: Mike Brannon mailto:ff1...@aol.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn is 
trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made by a 
local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to either newer 
style rod fittings or dyform.

Mike
Virginia Lee  93295
C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

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Re: Stus-List Deteriorated mast step (LF38 replacement)

[ahycrace--- via CnC-List]

ok I hear that..but..no issue with my mast butt or the the box. You can see 
pics on the photo album --Keel repair on Liberty pg 12

Gary K
 "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  wrote: 
> Yeah.  Kinda had that thought when I had mine remade out of aluminum.
> Aluminum mast, aluminum step box.
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Neil Schiller via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> > Galvanic corrosion?
> >
> > Neil Schiller
> > 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
> > (C&C 35, Mark I)
> > "Corsair"
> > White Lake, Michigan
> >
> >
> > On 2/13/2017 5:39 PM, ahycrace via CnC-List wrote:
> >
> > The maststep on liberty is cast stainless heavy yes but very strong why
> > would any of them be made of anything else?  1976 mk ll
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Dreuge via CnC-List  
> > Date: 2/13/17 11:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: Dreuge  
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Deteriorated mast step (LF38 replacement)
> >
> >
> > Broken mast steps are a know problem for Landfall 38s.  When I unstepped
> > my mast, the old step lifted out in two halves.
> >
> > Wally Bryant describes having a new one fabricated and welded together.
> > I spoke to a welder about having a similar one fabricated, and was advised
> > to have one CNC milled from a solid block as it was a "set it and forget
> > it" operation whereas welding was going to be labor intensive.  I did some
> > of the leg work myself, and in the end spent about $300 for a new
> > fabricated step.   I have a write up online which includes a CAD drawing
> > that was used to create the CNC step file.
> >
> >
> > http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/MastStep
> >
> > -
> > Paul E.
> > 1981 C&C 38 Landfall
> > S/V Johanna Rose
> > Carrabelle, FL
> >
> > http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
> >
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.an

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> On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a tough market in North America for sailboat spar makers and rigging 
> equipment manufacturers.  Late 2016 Hall Spars folded up their US operation 
> in Bristol, RI and now NavTec rigging equipment seems to be following suit. 
> That said, if you need to get virtually any Navtec fitting, Seco South in 
> Largo Florida has been the default “go to” place for replacement bits and 
> pieces, rod rigging, etc.
> https://www.secosouth.com/online-catalog/
>  
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 LF 35
> Padanaram, MA
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry 
> Hallgring Jr via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:33 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Harry Hallgring Jr 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.
>  
> Navtec closed last Monday. 
> 
> Harry
> Sent from my iPhone 8 beta
> 
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 09:22, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I just saw something on sailing-anarchy that said that it's just the US side 
> of NavTec that is closing up.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:20 AM Rick Brass via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that this isn't true. If it is someone need to tell the 
> Emirates Americas Cup Team.
> 
> The last two announcements on the Navtec website were that they were 
> expanding their manufacturing capacity, and that they were discontinuing 
> manufacturing of Norseman fittings. Can the it be that the discontinuation of 
> Norseman fittings has morphed into "out of business"?
> 
> Can anyone confirm Mike's information?
> 
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Brannon via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Mike Brannon 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.
> 
> All. NAVTEC has gone out of business.   At the moment it looks like Hayn is 
> trying to take up the slack.   You should be able to have the balls made by a 
> local machinist however, I would look at changing the rigging to either newer 
> style rod fittings or dyform.
> 
> Mike
> Virginia Lee  93295
> C&C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
> 
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.

[Steve via CnC-List]

Steve Roberts
Pearl
1980 CNC 36 CB
Palm Coast, FL (Daytona Beach)

I am currently working towards re-stepping the mast on Pearl.  The mast was 
damaged when Hurricane Mathew came through.  She was on jack stands in a marina 
up North at the time, but fell over, her mast’s upper spreader hit another boat 
in the yard, damaging that boat as well as pushing in the spreader base and 
sheering the metal along one side.  The intermediate -4 rod shrouds were cut 
off just below the head by the insurance company's salvage people. The Navtang 
(through bolt?) was stripped in the process of removal.  I have repaired the 
mast at this point with a friend’s help.  We drilled and tapped a total of 8 
holes around the tear.  We then drilled larger holes to match in 1/4” steel 
through which we used threaded rod and double nuts to “pull” the dented mast 
out.  The double nuts were used so as to pull the aluminum up rather than the 
threaded rod down.  We used a scribe to approximate the curvature of the mast 
to get it as close as possible to original shape.  The final step was to have a 
TIG welder repair the tear and fill in the 8 holes plus the spreader base 6 
holes, which we then re drilled and tapped.  I’ve found a local machine shop to 
mill new through bolts in SS, so I’m replacing the upper and lower ones as 
well.  Hopefully I’ll get the rods re headed at Seco South in Largo, Florida 
next week and be ready to have the mast stepped.  In the meantime I’ve been 
busy getting familiar with this beautiful boat.  Last week I had to repair a 
hairline crack at the top of the holding tank.  It was my first attempt at 
plastic welding.  It worked great.  Harbor Freight $70.  You need 560 degrees 
BTW, for those who need to weld similar linear high density polyethylene Kracor 
tanks.  Still to go, Adler Barbour refrigeration unit.  I think it is the 
control module.  No LED lights, yet I have power.  All in all it’s been fun 
working on her these last 4 weeks now.  Can’t wait to get her sails up.  Any 
questions, suggestions, let me know.  Glad to have you guys.  Appreciate all 
the information.

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Steve, 
>  My name is also Steve, and I am also fixing up a 1980 C&C 36, so it 
> would help to reduce confusion if you would provide a little more 
> identification in your posts. Most of listers have adopted the convention of 
> signing with our boat model and location, or something along that line. I 
> look forward to comparing notes on our respective projects. If you have the 
> rig down, I would like to know what size thread is on the intermediate shroud 
> rigging screw. One of mine broke in hurricane Matthew. It looks like 5/16 
> from the deck, but I would like to know without having to climb up there.  
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL 
> 
>  Steve via CnC-List  wrote: 
> My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermediate 
> shrouds. In trying to get them re-headed I discovered I'm missing 1 ball from 
> under the cap. The through bolt needs replacing as well as possibly the caps. 
> Question is, did Navtec go to a different option because of the dissimilar 
> metals issue? Suggestions please?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Rod rigging.

[robert via CnC-List]

Patrick:

My 1984 C&C 32 has Navtec rod riggingwhen I bought the boat in 2006 
from the original owner I had to reassemble the rigging...when doing so, 
I removed the through bolts, aluminum through bolts that were 1/3 or 
more cut through by the wire main halyard..


Had a machine shop make me two new SS through bolts for $50will 
never worry about them failing.


Anyone with aluminum through bolts should have them inspected.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 -84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-02-13 6:16 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List wrote:
What do you mean by "did Navtec go to a different option because of 
the dissimilar metals issue?"  Different option than what?


The ball under the Navtang cap that you're referring to is actually a 
"stemball washer". I assume you're referring to the cup-like washer 
that seats below the stemball, inside the Navtang cap.
Sometimes also called a stemball seat. I assume you're not talking 
about the stemball itself, because if your rods were cut, then the 
stemball isn't relevant or reusable.
If you just need a stemball washer, that's pretty easy - anyone who 
reheads the rod will be able get one. You'll need to give them the 
Navtang cups.


The through bolt was aluminum on older Navtangs but they switched to 
SS on newer models (sometimes around '82/83 I believe, so you probably 
have aluminum). The dissimiliar metal there isn't the big issue 
(except when getting the tang apart), the issue is that aluminum 
corrodes quicker and can get eaten up by wire halyards that they had 
back in the day.


You need to talk to a rigger who does Navtec or BSI orders. My BSI 
order is finally arriving this week.


-Patrick
1984 C&C Landfall 38

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:02 PM, > wrote:


-- Forwarded message --
From: Steve mailto:sjon1...@gmail.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc:
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:50:20 -0500
Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging.
My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the
intermediate shrouds. In trying to get them re-headed I discovered
I'm missing 1 ball from under the cap. The through bolt needs
replacing as well as possibly the caps. Question is, did Navtec go
to a different option because of the dissimilar metals issue?
Suggestions please?
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