Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I've been crewing on an Abbott 33 on Tuesday nights for 4 or 5 years now.
Really enjoy it, for sure. Father/son team so the dynamic can be pretty
entertaining some days.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding

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You,ll find it easier yo straighten them if you apply a little heat.

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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I bed everything with butyl now, after having read that article on the 
compass marine website.  I have not been disappointed yet.


I always do as compass instructs.  If cored, over drill, plug off, 
re-drill, countersink holes and bed with butyl.


Danny


On 7/14/2016 8:25 AM, john.irvin--- via CnC-List wrote:


You,ll find it easier yo straighten them if you apply a little heat.

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*From: *Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
*Sent: *July 13, 2016 9:16 PM
*To: *Chris Duer 
*Cc: *Jeremy Ralph ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

*Subject: *Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding

Thanks Chris.  Good to know rot is not a concern.  The stanchion bends 
are subtle and not creased so a vice should be able to straighten.


RE: vertical cracks on stanchion bases.  I'll check this too as you 
recommend, although I'm having trouble picturing this without being on 
the boat with the stanchions in front of me.  I'm sure I'll it will 
become clearer when at the boat.



On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Chris Duer

Assuming we're not talking about severe enough bends that the
stanchion has a crease, that is a reasonable plan.  There likely
isn't any rot because the deck core terminates before the
stanchions and toe rail.

Check your stanchion bases for vertical cracks on the outboard
side (in line with the set screws).  You may need to replace them,
I did on my 1978 34.

Chris Duer

1978 C&C 34 #117



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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

I found it helpful to bore a "stanchion diameter" hole through side to 
side in a length of 4x4 post that was clamped to my workbench. That held 
the stanchion securely exactly at the right point without creating any 
new problems while coaxing back to straightness.


Bill Bina


On 7/14/2016 8:25 AM, john.irvin--- via CnC-List wrote:


You,ll find it easier yo straighten them if you apply a little heat.

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*From: *Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
*Sent: *July 13, 2016 9:16 PM
*To: *Chris Duer 
*Cc: *Jeremy Ralph ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

*Subject: *Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding

Thanks Chris.  Good to know rot is not a concern.  The stanchion bends 
are subtle and not creased so a vice should be able to straighten.


RE: vertical cracks on stanchion bases.  I'll check this too as you 
recommend, although I'm having trouble picturing this without being on 
the boat with the stanchions in front of me.  I'm sure I'll it will 
become clearer when at the boat.



On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Chris Duer

Assuming we're not talking about severe enough bends that the
stanchion has a crease, that is a reasonable plan.  There likely
isn't any rot because the deck core terminates before the
stanchions and toe rail.

Check your stanchion bases for vertical cracks on the outboard
side (in line with the set screws).  You may need to replace them,
I did on my 1978 34.

Chris Duer

1978 C&C 34 #117



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Stus-List Sail Measurements - C&C 32

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Hi All,

Boat is far away. I did the measurements but screwed up the "I"
measurement, I measured to the top of the coach roof rather than to the
deck. I actually went through this exercise over 3 years ago with the boat
on the hard and these are my measurements form back then.

My measurement to the coach roof was 38' 10".
Sailboatdata.com has the C&C 32 "I" measurement at 41.12'. That's a
difference of over two feet, which seems like too much to me the coach
roof doesn't take up 2 feet.

Has anyone taken these measurements on their C&C 32, would you care to
share them?
I measured max hoist to 40' 5" and the "J" as 12' 3.5". Would be curious to
see how I measure up to other C&C 32 owner's measurements. I'de rather not
drive up to the boat tonight :/
It's starting to look like I might have to.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Stus-List Bending Stainless...

[David via CnC-List]

So on the Figawi I ask my crew to tighten the cunningham with a four part 
tackle.  Nothing happens.  So I ask them is the tackle pulling on the 
cunningham and not some stationary object.  Nope, they reply, "its good".  So 
they take the four part tackle tail to a halyard winch and all of a sudden 
there is movement.   As it was 25 knots I figured it was just a high load day.

Nope.  They literally bent one ear of the 3/8 thick stainless-steel mainsail 
tack yoke down 180 degrees.

Doh!

Can I just re-bend it with or without heat?Will it be compromised if I do 
so.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)




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Re: Stus-List Bending Stainless...

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

You might want to have a machine shop do the bending--I doubt the usual home 
workshop tools will do the job. Perhaps if you apply heat you might get it done 
but bending a 3/8" piece of SS
is not for the faint of heart!  
 
I always take such SS jobs to a shop--they can do it easily and usually for a 
fraction, sometimes nothing, of a boat buck.
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb
 
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Subject: Stus-List Bending Stainless...



So on the Figawi I ask my crew to tighten the cunningham with a four part 
tackle.  Nothing happens.  So I ask them is the tackle pulling on the 
cunningham and not some stationary object.  Nope, they reply, "its good".  So 
they take the four part tackle tail to a halyard winch and all of a sudden 
there is movement.   As it was 25 knots I figured it was just a high load day.

Nope.  They literally bent one ear of the 3/8 thick stainless-steel mainsail 
tack yoke down 180 degrees.

Doh!

Can I just re-bend it with or without heat?Will it be compromised if I do 
so.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)






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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding

[Bmue via CnC-List]

We just redid some of ours as there were suspected leaks, and did the same as 
danny suggested below. Stanchion bases are tight now, leaks fixed. Butyl is the 
way to go Imho. (And check for soft spots nearby while you are at it- we had a 
couple and they were fixed at the same time.) still one slightly bent stanchion 
to deal with...next winter's project .

Bettina
C&C 25 Savannah

> On Jul 14, 2016, at 6:34, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I bed everything with butyl now, after having read that article on the 
> compass marine website.  I have not been disappointed yet.
> 
> I always do as compass instructs.  If cored, over drill, plug off, re-drill, 
> countersink holes and bed with butyl.
> 
> Danny
> 
>> On 7/14/2016 8:25 AM, john.irvin--- via CnC-List wrote:
>> You,ll find it easier yo straighten them if you apply a little heat.
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>  
>> From: Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List
>> Sent: July 13, 2016 9:16 PM
>> To: Chris Duer
>> Cc: Jeremy Ralph; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding
>>  
>> Thanks Chris.  Good to know rot is not a concern.  The stanchion bends are 
>> subtle and not creased so a vice should be able to straighten.   
>>  
>> RE: vertical cracks on stanchion bases.  I'll check this too as you 
>> recommend, although I'm having trouble picturing this without being on the 
>> boat with the stanchions in front of me.  I'm sure I'll it will become 
>> clearer when at the boat.
>>  
>> 
>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Chris Duer 
>> Assuming we're not talking about severe enough bends that the stanchion has 
>> a crease, that is a reasonable plan.  There likely isn't any rot because the 
>> deck core terminates before the stanchions and toe rail.
>>  
>> Check your stanchion bases for vertical cracks on the outboard side (in line 
>> with the set screws).  You may need to replace them, I did on my 1978 34.
>>  
>> Chris Duer
>> 1978 C&C 34 #117
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

This is a quote from the USSailing "History of US PHRF Affiliated Handicaps 
2016" document.
USSailing may have some data but from a quick search I did not see a summary.

PHRF racing participation is declining across the country. While there are many 
factors that
have caused this decrease in participation, one of the recurring complaints 
voiced by racers and
race organizers alike is that PHRF handicaps are not always fair.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:58:43 + (UTC) 
From: RANDY  
To: cnc-list  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 
Message-ID: 
     <81652089.51418328.1468425523490.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that?  
 
I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year.  
 
Cheers,  
Randy Stafford  
S/V Grenadine  
C&C 30-1 #7  
Ken Caryl, CO  
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Re: Stus-List Bending Stainless...

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Do not apply heat to Stainless. Two things, if hot enough it will anneal it
and make it dead soft with little of its former strength, and second, it
will likely rust after you do.

Stainless can be bent several times before it will break.  We cold form all
SS, it is simply the way it is done. One thing you will notice, the more it
is cold formed, the more magnetic it will become.  If you anneal it, it will
lose most of its magnetism.  And then, rust, of course, unless you properly
quench it. 

 If you can remove the parts to a very solid vice, you can put some copper
or aluminum jaw protectors in to hold the SS Parts.  Sometimes it is handy
to find appropriately sized pipe or heavy tube to help with the bending. If
you have to beat them, use a copper hammer. I keep a medium copper hammer
and a rawhide hammer in my boat toolbox for 'adjustments'.

I have straightened Stanchions by putting a 7/8" rod in a vice to slip the
stanchions over, then slipping a 1" aluminum pipe over the stanchion to bend
back. 

 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1

 

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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:36 AM
To: CNC CNC
Cc: David
Subject: Stus-List Bending Stainless...

 

So on the Figawi I ask my crew to tighten the cunningham with a four part
tackle.  Nothing happens.  So I ask them is the tackle pulling on the
cunningham and not some stationary object.  Nope, they reply, "its good".
So they take the four part tackle tail to a halyard winch and all of a
sudden there is movement.   As it was 25 knots I figured it was just a high
load day.

Nope.  They literally bent one ear of the 3/8 thick stainless-steel mainsail
tack yoke down 180 degrees.

Doh!

Can I just re-bend it with or without heat?Will it be compromised if I
do so.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

 


 
 

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Wow, I am surprised that you have 28 PHRF racers at that small lake, it doesn’t 
look like there are much more that 28 in the whole marina .  Even more 
surprised to find PHRF Racing at 5,000 feet.  And I was stunned to see racing,  
and  8 nice Starboats racing at 9,500 feet at Frisco Bay on Dillon Reservoir 
last month. Near the Continental Divide!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:59 AM
To: cnc-list
Cc: RANDY
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

 

"Racing numbers are down everywhere".  Edd where can I find published data on 
that?

 

I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year.  I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012.  We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years.  We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - Colorado racing

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Wow, I am surprised that you have 28 PHRF racers at that small lake, it
> doesn’t look like there are much more that 28 in the whole marina .  Even
> more surprised to find PHRF Racing at 5,000 feet.  And I was stunned to see
> racing,  and  8 *nice* Starboats racing at 9,500 feet at Frisco Bay on
> Dillon Reservoir last month. Near the Continental Divide!



There is a surprising amount of sailboat racing in Colorado.  The Dillon
Yacht Club is active during the summer with lots of events.
http://www.dillonyachtclub.com/
It's the highest elevation yacht club in the US.  It's always closed for
the season when I'm out that way skiing but there are lots of boats on the
hard at the club.

Some years back, I was contracted to go get a Wavelength 24 and bring it
back to Louisiana.  It had been raced extensively on Dillon Lake and Carter
Reservoir outside Boulder.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding (with Butyl)

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

Ok, I'm leaning toward butyl tape now given peoples' responses and the and
Compass Marine article.  I've followed Compass recommendations for other
projects (battery cable, battery monitor, mooring ball setup) and highly
regard that site.

Is there a need for marine grade (Bed-It) butyl tape, or is the stuff I can
get at glass or RV stores here in Vancouver BC going to be okay?  Waiting
for delivery of Bed-It will delay my project, but I'd rather do it
correctly than quickly.
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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding (with Butyl)

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Bed-it brand is distinctly not the same as the stuff found elsewhere.

Bill Bina


On 7/14/2016 1:04 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List wrote:
Ok, I'm leaning toward butyl tape now given peoples' 
responses and the and Compass Marine article.  I've followed Compass 
recommendations for other projects (battery cable, battery monitor, 
mooring ball setup) and highly regard that site.


Is there a need for marine grade (Bed-It) butyl tape, or is the stuff 
I can get at glass or RV stores here in Vancouver BC going to be 
okay?  Waiting for delivery of Bed-It will delay my project, but I'd 
rather do it correctly than quickly.



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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding (with Butyl)

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Definitely, Bed-it is different--much stickier and flexible than most other 
varieties. 
 
I found out the hard way that the butyl tape I got somewhere else (travel 
trailer store or on-line?) was much less flexible than Bed-it. 
It may have been dried out or it just was made that way. Anyway, if it is not 
flexible enough, it will not compress properly and will 
leak.
 
OTOH, if you find nice flexible butyl tape which I also found on-line, it works 
fine.
 
Charlie Nelson
 
cenel...@aol.com

 
 
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From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail ; Jeremy Ralph 

Sent: Thu, Jul 14, 2016 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding (with Butyl)



Bed-it brand is distinctly not  the same as the stuff found elsewhere. 


Bill Bina



On 7/14/2016 1:04 PM, Jeremy Ralph via  CnC-List wrote:


Ok, I'm leaning toward butyl tape now given peoples'  responses and the and 
Compass Marine article.  I've followed  Compass recommendations for other 
projects (battery cable, battery  monitor, mooring ball setup) and highly 
regard that site.   

  
  
Is there a need for marine grade (Bed-It) butyl tape, or isthe stuff I 
can get at glass or RV stores here in Vancouver BCgoing to be okay?  
Waiting for delivery of Bed-It will delaymy project, but I'd rather do 
it correctly than quickly. 
  
  
  
  
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Stus-List 2016 C&C Northeast Rendezvous -- 9 Weeks Away -- Sept 10-12 -- Mystic Seaport

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Just a reminder that, in just 9 weeks, we will be having our fifth annual C&C 
Northeast Rendezvous at the beautiful and historic Mystic Seaport. Some 
highlights:

We are staying in the seaport. At night, all the guests leave and we have the 
place to ourselves (and the night watchmen.)
Free dockage on Sunday if you pay for a Saturday night stay. 
Private tour of the seaport, including “exhibits that are not on exhibit”.
A C&C-only planetarium show.
Group dockside dinners, boat tours, annual whiskey sharing, late night revelry, 
flying Chinese lanterns, cigars, moderately foul language and all around 
silliness.

Not to be missed — plan your trip now and register! 

See our Rendezvous Website at http://cncnortheast.com 
 and our Rendezvous “Movie Trailer” at 
https://youtu.be/eKHpkatTwuk  

Also see photos from last year’s Northeast Rendezvous 
(http://cncyachts.com/cncnerendezvous/ ) 
and our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/CcYachtsNortheastRendezvous/ 
)

See write-ups in Cruising World Magazine 
(http://www.cruisingworld.com/cc-rally-at-mystic-seaport 
) and WindCheck LIS 
(http://www.windcheckmagazine.com/letter_the_c_c_northeast_rendezvous_is_september_10_12_2016
 
)

Your hosts: Rob Gallagher (Hanuman; C&C 30 MkII), David Risch (Corsair; C&C 
40), Edd Schillay (Starship Enterprise; C&C 37+) and Don Sweeney (Harbor 
Lights; C&C 36)


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
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Re: Stus-List Offshore passages as crew - where to start?

[Andrew Means via CnC-List]

I have, thanks Doug - I’ve been meaning to make it out to a meeting but
situations keep conspiring to prevent me from attending. Is it possible to
go to the cruise if I miss the meeting?

Andrew

-- 
Andrew Means
S.V. Safari - 1977 C&C 34 Mk I
Seattle, WA

On July 13, 2016 at 10:26:48 AM, svpegasu...@gmail.com (
cnc-list@cnc-list.com) wrote:

Andrew,  have you heard of the Puget Sound Cruising Club (PSCC)? We meet
every 3rd friday at the NSCC library hall. And go on a cruise the following
weekend. There are members that are or have sailed all over the world. I am
sure you can find someone looking for crew. Maybe not to Hawaii, but
someplace across the great blue ocean.  Come check us out, there at least 2
other listers that are members.



Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 #4

just west of Ballard, Wa
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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding (with Butyl)

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

Since you're thinking about doing the rest of your deck hardware down the
line, I would definitely spring for Bed-It to be safe.  I don't have
experience with other brands though.

Sam
35-3 Scoundrel (f/k/a Spanish Dancer)
SF

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Definitely, Bed-it is different--much stickier and flexible than most
> other varieties.
>
> I found out the hard way that the butyl tape I got somewhere else (travel
> trailer store or on-line?) was much less flexible than Bed-it.
> It may have been dried out or it just was made that way. Anyway, if it is
> not flexible enough, it will not compress properly and will
> leak.
>
> OTOH, if you find nice flexible butyl tape which I also found on-line, it
> works fine.
>
> Charlie Nelson
>
> cenel...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Bill Bina - gmail ; Jeremy Ralph <
> jeremy.ra...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 14, 2016 1:10 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding (with Butyl)
>
> Bed-it brand is distinctly not the same as the stuff found elsewhere.
> Bill Bina
>
> On 7/14/2016 1:04 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Ok, I'm leaning toward butyl tape now given peoples' responses and the and
> Compass Marine article.  I've followed Compass recommendations for other
> projects (battery cable, battery monitor, mooring ball setup) and highly
> regard that site.
>
> Is there a need for marine grade (Bed-It) butyl tape, or is the stuff I
> can get at glass or RV stores here in Vancouver BC going to be okay?
> Waiting for delivery of Bed-It will delay my project, but I'd rather do
> it correctly than quickly.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Offshore passages as crew - where to start?

[Andrew Means via CnC-List]

Thanks Tom, I’ll check out the crew bank, that seems like a good resource.
Crazy about the storm/becalmed situation…

I won’t be able to make it to Thetis (at least, not without seriously
inconveniencing my employees) but would love to meet up with other Puget
Sound C&C owners sometime soon - maybe a sail to Blake Island in the fall?

-- 
Andrew Means
S.V. Safari - 1977 C&C 34 Mk I
Seattle, WA

On July 13, 2016 at 1:56:16 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List (
cnc-list@cnc-list.com) wrote:

Andrew

This looks pretty close to home for you...http://www.vicmaui.org/crewbank

Check the Race Tracker too.  The Vic Maui race started a few days ago and
1/2 the fleet is becalmed and the rest is facing a huge storm.  Looks like
exactly what you're looking for!

Hope to see you at the Rendesvous on Thetis next month.  www.candcwest.org

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com

At 09:00 AM 7/13/2016, you wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 23:46:28 -0700
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Offshore passages as crew - where to start?
Message-ID:
 
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My recent trip to Tofino and the west coast of Vancouver Island has
convinced me I want to do more offshore passages, and eventually cross
oceans. I have a fair amount of experience sailing around Puget Sound/San
Juans/etc. and feel like I?d be fairly useful addition to most crews.

If you had very little offshore sailing experience and had set a goal of
sailing to or from Hawaii within the next 1-3 years (crewing on somebody
else?s boat), how would you go about it?

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Stus-List Circuit Breaker Panels for 1981 C&C 36

[Glenn Gambel via CnC-List]

I was wondering if anyone knew what brand, type, etc.  single pole 
marine circuit breakers would fit in the original panels that were 
installed on a 1981 C&C 36?  My original panels are in great shape, but 
I have three or four circuit breakers that are no longer functioning and 
must be replaced.


I am hoping that this will not be as painful a project as some are.  Any 
help would be appreciated.


Glenn Gambel
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Re: Stus-List Circuit Breaker Panels for 1981 C&C 36

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Glenn — are they the toggle-type with two screws mounting them through the 
front panel?  If so, that’s probably a Carling Type A breaker, like the Blue 
Sea 7000 Series:

https://www.bluesea.com/products/category/14/29/Circuit_Breakers/A-Series 


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jul 14, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Glenn Gambel via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knew what brand, type, etc.  single pole marine 
> circuit breakers would fit in the original panels that were installed on a 
> 1981 C&C 36?  My original panels are in great shape, but I have three or four 
> circuit breakers that are no longer functioning and must be replaced.
>  
> I am hoping that this will not be as painful a project as some are.  Any help 
> would be appreciated.
>  
> Glenn Gambel
> Wind N Spirits
> C&C 36

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Re: Stus-List Circuit Breaker Panels for 1981 C&C 36

[Bob Caughran via CnC-List]

I recently replaced the 30A main breaker on my 29mkII. Pulled it ran down to 
west marine, compared it to what they had. Found one that was basically the 
same except different screw size for wire terminal lugs. Changed lugs on the 
wires and installed. Took far longer to drive to west marine than it did 
removal and installation. 

Boo Caughran
29mkII. 309, Beemer

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> On Jul 14, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Glenn Gambel via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knew what brand, type, etc.  single pole marine 
> circuit breakers would fit in the original panels that were installed on a 
> 1981 C&C 36?  My original panels are in great shape, but I have three or four 
> circuit breakers that are no longer functioning and must be replaced.
>  
> I am hoping that this will not be as painful a project as some are.  Any help 
> would be appreciated.
>  
> Glenn Gambel
> Wind N Spirits
> C&C 36
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

All -

For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?

 

Thanks,

 



 

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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

We use PHRF and Time on Time. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> All –
> For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

My Friday series uses PHRF TOT, switched from TOD a couple years ago.

Sam
35-3 Scoundrel (f/k/a Spanish Dancer)
SF

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We use PHRF and Time on Time.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> All –
> For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding (with Butyl)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Jeremy,

you want that tape from Maine Sail (Compass Marine). It IS much better than 
just about anything else. 

Of course, your problem is that the shipping to Canada would cost you more than 
the tape itself. If you are around Vancouver, consider shipping it to a UPS 
store on the US side and driving there to pick it up. I shipped it to a friend 
who winters in Arizona and he brought it back in the spring. Maybe you could 
use someone who sails out of the very NW corner of the US.

Another option might be to order more and split it with a few neighbours. 
Depending on how much you need. But if you need it for a few minor projects, a 
roll of that tape is plenty and a minimum order is two rolls.

Marek

From: Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 13:05
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jeremy Ralph 
Subject: Re: Stus-List stanchion re-bedding (with Butyl)

Ok, I'm leaning toward butyl tape now given peoples' responses and the and 
Compass Marine article. I've followed Compass recommendations for other 
projects (battery cable, battery monitor, mooring ball setup) and highly regard 
that site. 

Is there a need for marine grade (Bed-It) butyl tape, or is the stuff I can get 
at glass or RV stores here in Vancouver BC going to be okay? Waiting for 
delivery of Bed-It will delay my project, but I'd rather do it correctly than 
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

All PHRF racing on the Pamlico Sound in NC use PHRF with TOT.
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom 
 
cenel...@aol.com

 
 
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Cc: Pete Shelquist 
Sent: Thu, Jul 14, 2016 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems



All –
For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?
 
Thanks,
 


 


 


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Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

We use all PHRF. 

Line starts on Wed nights and mix of line starts / pursuit starts for my 
club's races

(And we kicked booty / won last night.. ) 

-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier 



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Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:29:10 -0500
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To: 
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All -

For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other?  TOT vs TOD?

 

Thanks,


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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Ian Matthew via CnC-List]

We use PHRF TOT all the time at our YC. A=650, B=550

Ian Matthew
"Siento el Viento". C&C 29-1
San Francisco Bay



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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

phrf tot here in the STL midwest.Ron Wild CheriC&C 30-1STL


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Re: Stus-List Offshore passages as crew - where to start?

[svpegasus38]

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Yes it is. The next cruise and or meeting will be in September. We are all 
out cruising. They are usually raft ups. No docks for us. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Andrew Means via CnC-List Date: Thu, Jul 14, 
2016 11:10To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Andrew Means;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Offshore passages as crew - where to start?
I have, thanks Doug - I’ve been meaning to make it out to a meeting but 
situations keep conspiring to prevent me from attending. Is it possible to go 
to the cruise if I miss the meeting? 
Andrew 
 -- 
Andrew Means
S.V. Safari - 1977 C&C 34 Mk ISeattle, WA 
On July 13, 2016 at 10:26:48 AM, svpegasu...@gmail.com (cnc-list@cnc-list.com) 
wrote: Andrew, have you heard of the Puget Sound Cruising Club (PSCC)? Wemeet 
every 3rd friday at the NSCC library hall. And go on a cruisethe following 
weekend. There are members that are or have sailedall over the world. I am sure 
you can find someone looking forcrew. Maybe not to Hawaii, but someplace across 
the great blueocean.  Come check us out, there at least 2 other listers thatare 
members. 

Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, Wa

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Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

Cool video josh-  thanks.  Did you have a problem that caused you to install 
that starter relay? Seems to me that the switch that gets the abuse is the 
pushbutton, not the key which never makes or breaks a load greater than a few 
lamps worth.
I think I will relocate the key cylinder.  it is a nuisance where it is, and 
inevitably I will lose or break the  key itself.
Dave 

From: Josh Muckley 
To: "C&C List" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key
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Check this out.

https://youtu.be/Mp2cGDa1VOU

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List]

For us along the upper Gulf Coast, PHRF TOT is used as the racing standard
but some clubs still offer Portsmouth TOD classes as well.

Tracy Hirsh

*Ogopogo*
1989 C&C 37+ CB
Fairhope, AL
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Hi Edd, 

Yes, we're lake sailors here in Colorado :) Have a look at my photo album at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTY0VBM2hlT0hveDQ and you can see 
the lake I sail on. But we get to the Caribbean, Gulf, and Pacific whenever we 
can :) 

There's actually quite a healthy sailing scene here, with racing yacht clubs at 
Chatfield, Cherry Creek, and Dillon Reservoirs, and at Carter Lake. The racing 
at Dillon in particular is very competitive (and the mountain winds pretty 
violent). The scene may be vibrant here precisely because there are so few 
suitable bodies of water for keelboats, serving a pretty large urban corridor 
and population base. 

All that said, I just finished an analysis of participation in my club's 
keelboat series by year since 2012. We had 37 boats in 2012, and have 
alternated between 31 and 25 ever since. So yeah, a 33% decline in five years. 
Causes include people getting old, people moving, people too busy with other 
things, and probably people not wanting to spend the money any more. We've had 
good luck finding people to crew by starting a meetup group. Of course we get a 
variety of experience levels, but it's been a good way to find new people 
interested in sailing around here. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Edd Schillay"  
To: "RANDY"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:33:08 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

Randy, 

By “everywhere”, I meant everywhere on Western LI Sound. I don’t know what 
things are like in Colorado. Heck, I didn’t even know you could sail in 
Colorado. Ski, yes. Sail? Wow. Looks pretty land-locked on my map. 

In my area, you can see the decline on sites like yachtscoring.com . But 
there’s been a lot I can see with my own eyes, along with the chatter around 
the clubs/boards. I think they can yelled Block Island Race Week this year 
because of too few entries. 

It’s a shame, but I get it. Times are tough and racing (moreso than just 
cruising) gets expensive. People are also working more and spending more time 
with their spouses and kids — getting crew to consistently participate is a 
challenge too. 

All the best, 

Edd 


Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 









On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, RANDY < randy.staff...@comcast.net > wrote: 

"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that? 

I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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From: "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Cc: "Edd Schillay" < e...@schillay.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:18:01 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

Great article, Don. Thanks for sharing. 

The trend is a little more bleak in Western LI Sound. Racing numbers are down 
everywhere. Years ago, our Wednesday Night series had around 125 boats with 9 
divisions. Now we are around 30 and 4 divisions. 

One of the four clubs on City Island just closed its doors for good. Sad to see 
the decline. 

All the best, 

Edd 


Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 







On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Don Harben via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 


http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2016/07/12/summer-tradition-still-going-strong/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Scuttlebutt%204623%20-%20July%2013%202016&utm_content=Scuttlebutt%204623%20-%20July%2013%202016+CID_9b7e47dad615547db1dfe51d875d17cd&utm_source=Email%20Newsletter&utm_term=Summer%20Tradition%20Still%20Going%20Strong
 


Don 

Don Harben 
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Life 
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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Thanks Michael. 

There's probably some truth to the complaint that PHRF handicaps are not fair 
(in my RSA I only get +6 for a two-blade fixed prop, and I think a folding prop 
would make me more that six seconds per nautical mile faster). But I don't 
think anyone has quit my club over an unfair PHRF rating :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Michael Brown"  
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:15:52 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 

This is a quote from the USSailing "History of US PHRF Affiliated Handicaps 
2016" document. 
USSailing may have some data but from a quick search I did not see a summary. 

PHRF racing participation is declining across the country. While there are many 
factors that 
have caused this decrease in participation, one of the recurring complaints 
voiced by racers and 
race organizers alike is that PHRF handicaps are not always fair. 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C&C 30-1 



Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:58:43 + (UTC) 
From: RANDY  
To: cnc-list  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 
Message-ID: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that? 

I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Yeah, Dillon is a hot scene. Last year 36 one-design boats and 22 PHRF boats: 
http://dillonyachtclub.com/results.html 

But it's a violent place to sail. Two years ago at the Buccaneer 18 national 
championships a microburst knocked down the whole fleet, breaking masts and 
requiring rescues, etc: 
http://www.summitdaily.com/news/12521585-113/dillon-lake-boats-lipsher 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Bill Coleman"  
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:50:20 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 



Wow, I am surprised that you have 28 PHRF racers at that small lake, it doesn’t 
look like there are much more that 28 in the whole marina . Even more surprised 
to find PHRF Racing at 5,000 feet. And I was stunned to see racing, and 8 nice 
Starboats racing at 9,500 feet at Frisco Bay on Dillon Reservoir last month. 
Near the Continental Divide! 




Bill Coleman 

C&C 39 Erie, PA 





From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:59 AM 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing 





"Racing numbers are down everywhere". Edd where can I find published data on 
that? 





I'm doing that analysis right now for my club, using published race results 
dating back to (only) 2012 to study the number of boats racing each year. I 
haven't finished the analysis yet, but I can already tell we're down at least 
20% from 2012. We seem to be holding at about 28 boats across six fleets for 
the last two years. We gain a boat or two each year, but we lose a boat or two 
each year. 





Cheers, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C&C 30-1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 




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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems

[RANDY via CnC-List]

PHRF TOT at my club in Colorado. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Pete Shelquist"  
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:29:10 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing - now scoring systems 



All – 

For your local races, how many use PHRF vs ORC or other? TOT vs TOD? 



Thanks, 















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