Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[Indigo via CnC-List]

Those 2 rolls by hand will be on the "wrong" way as the only way to get them on 
the drum is to rotate the sail and furler.  I think the better way to get the 
extra rolls on the drum would be to wait to attach the line to the drum until 
the sail has been over furled by hand several times. I am thinking 10 times 
plus ( probably have to take off the sheets) - then attach the furling line. 
Remember that when furling the sail in windy conditions your sail is going to 
be much more tightly wound round the headstay and thus require many more turns 
of the drum to get it fully furled.  Remember that you will usually be furling 
with the sail under a little bit (or sometimes with a lot) of load and the 
furling line will be more tightly wrapped round the drum allowing for a larger 
number of turns before getting "jammed". 

Btw I suspect that your problem in the first instance was caused by letting the 
jib unfurl without having any tension on the furling line.  Happened to me once 
- had to spend a good hour on the bow while it was bouncing up and down in big 
waves / big wind at the entrance to Narraganset Bay.  I now insist on keeping a 
little tension on the furling line as it runs when the sail unfurls. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Jun 11, 2016, at 21:30, Edward Levert via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Now attach the new line to the drum with the sail fully furled. Add 2 rolls 
> by hand.


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Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Why not wind up as much line as is needed on the drum first?  4 or 5 or 10
wraps or whatever, plus the foot length (24').  Now raise the sail.  When
you pull the furling line it will roll up the sail.  Just like normal.
Seems easier than trying to control a sail while manually rolling it
without any other control.  Yes you do have to pay attention to the
direction of the spool.  Yes you may have to add or take off wraps which is
relatively easy to do by re-wrapping or unwrapping the jib sheets not the
sail.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 12, 2016 6:14 AM, "Indigo via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Those 2 rolls by hand will be on the "wrong" way as the only way to get
> them on the drum is to rotate the sail and furler.  I think the better way
> to get the extra rolls on the drum would be to wait to attach the line to
> the drum until the sail has been over furled by hand several times. I am
> thinking 10 times plus ( probably have to take off the sheets) - then
> attach the furling line. Remember that when furling the sail in windy
> conditions your sail is going to be much more tightly wound round the
> headstay and thus require many more turns of the drum to get it fully
> furled.  Remember that you will usually be furling with the sail under a
> little bit (or sometimes with a lot) of load and the furling line will be
> more tightly wrapped round the drum allowing for a larger number of turns
> before getting "jammed".
>
> Btw I suspect that your problem in the first instance was caused by
> letting the jib unfurl without having any tension on the furling line.
> Happened to me once - had to spend a good hour on the bow while it was
> bouncing up and down in big waves / big wind at the entrance to Narraganset
> Bay.  I now insist on keeping a little tension on the furling line as it
> runs when the sail unfurls.
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> > On Jun 11, 2016, at 21:30, Edward Levert via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Now attach the new line to the drum with the sail fully furled. Add 2
> rolls by hand.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I may be totally wrong, but I don't think there is a direct correlation between 
the length of the foot and length of furling line. The marker the diameter of 
the drum, the longer the circumference and thus the longer the line required 
for one rotation - but the circumference of a roll of sail will be potentially 
very different. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Jun 12, 2016, at 07:01, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> plus the foot length (24')


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Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Jonathan,

You are correct there isn't a direct correlation between furling line
length and foot length.  As I previously stated mine happens to be roughly
1:1 averaged over the entire furl.  I am simply visually approximating the
diameter of a full drum compared to a full sail roll.  You're right the
circumference of the roll during the first few wraps is much smaller than
when the entire sail is rolled up.  Yet the diameter of the drum stays
nearly the same.  I'll have to measure the actual length of line needed to
furl next time I think about it.  It will be interesting to see exactly
what the ratio is.

Josh
On Jun 12, 2016 7:49 AM, "Indigo via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I may be totally wrong, but I don't think there is a direct correlation
> between the length of the foot and length of furling line. The marker the
> diameter of the drum, the longer the circumference and thus the longer the
> line required for one rotation - but the circumference of a roll of sail
> will be potentially very different.
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> > On Jun 12, 2016, at 07:01, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > plus the foot length (24')
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I do it the way Josh recommends.  I also put the maximum amount of line on
the drum.  It's easier to furl when the drum is full (the line is coming
off a larger diameter full drum) than when it's less than full.  Also, keep
some tension on the furling  line when letting out the jib, also
recommended by someone.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

If you want to be really picky, there is a direct correlation. Not necessarily 
1:1, but it is obviously, there.

 

I went with a standard double braid, but we have much less choice locally. A 
lower stretch line would be probably better, but I never noticed the stretching 
that someone mentioned a few messages before. This may depend also on the size 
of the boat and the size of the genoa - mine are only 27’ and 135%.

 

With this kind of line I bought double the length of the boat plus some safety 
margin. I think I bought 70’, but at $0.5/ft. the extra 10 ft. did not matter. 
That $5 was a good insurance and what I cut off the end will be used, for sure, 
somewhere else.

 

Marek

1994 C270, “Legato”

Ottawa, ON

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 09:15
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

 

Jonathan, 

You are correct there isn't a direct correlation between furling line length 
and foot length.  As I previously stated mine happens to be roughly 1:1 
averaged over the entire furl.  I am simply visually approximating the diameter 
of a full drum compared to a full sail roll.  You're right the circumference of 
the roll during the first few wraps is much smaller than when the entire sail 
is rolled up.  Yet the diameter of the drum stays nearly the same.  I'll have 
to measure the actual length of line needed to furl next time I think about it. 
 It will be interesting to see exactly what the ratio is.

Josh

On Jun 12, 2016 7:49 AM, "Indigo via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I may be totally wrong, but I don't think there is a direct correlation between 
the length of the foot and length of furling line. The marker the diameter of 
the drum, the longer the circumference and thus the longer the line required 
for one rotation - but the circumference of a roll of sail will be potentially 
very different.

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Jun 12, 2016, at 07:01, Josh Muckley via CnC-List   > wrote:
>
> plus the foot length (24')


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Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)

[Paul Hood via CnC-List]

I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth even
trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
yet.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
ing


Paul Hood
'82 C&C34 Georgian Bay




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Re: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Paul

I'd test it!  Until 2 years ago my boat had an Autohelm 4000 in use, it 
was fine for holding a straight line but not so good for tacking.  I 
actually sold it on ebay for an amount that surprised me.

Check Raymarine's web site, they have (had?) old manuals on there.  And 
it looks like a good install of the drive down below.

Your 3rd picture with the Brookes and Gatehouse is not part of the 
pilot, that is the old brain of a wind instrument.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-06-12 10:06 PM, Paul Hood via CnC-List wrote:
> I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
> Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
> wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth even
> trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
> immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
> to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
> yet.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
> ing
>
>
> Paul Hood
> '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot (Paul H.)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I agree.  Try it out and see.  If it works then you may be able to postpone
your investment in a new system.  I think the wind instrument is/was
providing input to the AP so that it could sail to the wind not just a
magnetic coarse.

It looks like the 3 knobs are for adjusting the response time.  The manual
will obviously explain.

Good luck,
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 12, 2016 9:09 PM, "Paul Hood via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I have an old Autohelm 5000 autopilot...yes it appears to be original.
> Boats obviously relatively new for me and although an autopilot is on the
> wish list, its not here yet.  If this thing doesn't work or isn't worth
> even
> trying, then I'll immediately ripping it out.  I'd use the controller hole
> immediately for something else.  Here are the pics of the pieces.  It seems
> to be all there and I'm not sure where to start to test.  Not in the water
> yet.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWeWRDSl82MG1Wa2s&usp=shar
> ing
>
>
> Paul Hood
> '82 C&C34 Georgian Bay
>
>
>
>
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