Re: Stus-List Now HIN

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

The M in the 4 character date code is a placeholder and has no meaning. 
The year indicated is not the model year. It is the year of 
certification. That basically means the date the build paperwork was 
generated. The date code does not indicate model year other than by 
coincidence, and it does not indicate the date completed.


Bill Bina

On 11/1/2015 10:55 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote:

This is a quote from the Boatsafe site:

"the last four characters indicate the month and year the boat was
built, and the model year.   Prior to August 1, 1984, the manufacturer
had the option of expressing this in the form of a model year designation. "

I am not sure what is being said herethe last four characters
indicate the month and year the boat was built, and the model
year.so does that mean my boat (M84D) was built in April, 1984.D
means April..M means both the year the boat was built and also the
model year?

It goes on to say that prior to August 1, 1984, the manufacturer had the
option of expressing this in the form of a model year designation.
What does this mean if my boat was built prior to August 1, 1984if
my boat was built in  'D' in April?

I am even more confused..however, it really doesn't matter
...just hit the delete button.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2015-11-01 11:10 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


As I recall from prior posts on the list, and from reading the
explanation of HINs on the USCG website, there are at least three
different schemes for hull ID numbers that have been used over the
years. I believe that the explanation that Chuck included below is for
the current scheme.

On my old 38II, the last four characters are 0176, meaning the hell
was laid down (certified?) in January 1976, making the boat a 1976
model. The presumption was that boat model years were like car model
years – starting in September – so 0975 would be a 76 model and 0976
would be a 77.

But the September model year start would not meet the needs of
manufacturers with longer build lead times, so a Model year format was
started. M81D would be model year 81, with build started in month D. I
would need to look it up again, but I think A was August, B September,
etc. under this format.

Again, build schedules longer than 12 months would be a problem for
the system above. For example, Pacific Seacraft is about to launch the
first 62 footer, which was first laid down in the spring of 2013, with
a planned launch date of June 2014. (Thumper commented that the
customer doesn’t understand the “semi” part of semi-custom.)  So the
system was changed again. I suspect the last 4 characters of the HIN
for the new Seacraft 62 will be something like D315 or even D316.

Here is a website with a pretty complete explanation:
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of
*robert via CnC-List
*Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2015 8:21 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* robert 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE

Chuck:

Character 9 refers to the month..andcharacter 10 the year the
boat was certified.

In both of our HIN's, character 9 is 'M'but I can't find any
'M' in the "letters that correspond to the following months"

So I ask again, what do the 'K' and 'D' stand for.it says below
"The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the model year".

Any other C&C 32 owners with the 12th character a 'K'?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-11-01 8:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:

I think the K means the hull was molded in November.

Found the HIN explained on the web:

Image removed by sender. Picture


The first 3 characters are what are referred to as the MIC or
Manufacturers Index Code.  There are several sites on the internet
that can help you decode the MIC of your HIN.  One such site is
through the US Coast Guards website
. Another option
that might be a bit easier to use is Boat History Report
which
hosts a free HIN validator to verify you have the correct HIN to
begin with.

The following 5 digits vary according the manufacturer but are
meant to be used as a serial number for that boat.  It may contain
specifics such as the length or material of the boat or it may
just be a sequential number.  Manufacturers are able to use any
series of numbers and letters except O, I and Q because they are
easily mistaken.

The last 4 characters of the HIN represent the certification year
and model of the watercraft.  Character 9 refers to the month and
character 10- the year, the boat was certified. Certification
means when the boat was stated to be in compliance with all laws
  

Stus-List RE: how to start a new topic

[Garry Cross via CnC-List]

Some other tips.
Don't reply to a digest without removing irrelevant content.
I read the digests and when someone reply's to one and leaves the entire
digest in the reply it really gets my goat. I usually stop reading and hit
delete.

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
Cc:
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:59:28 +
Subject: Stus-List WAS RE: Boom Furling complications - Yard Service
quality NOW how to start a new topic

Send an email to cnc-list@cnc-list.com with a new topic in the subject line
or reply to an existing email and replace or edit the subject line.

J



Joe

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I
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Stus-List Cuba race

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Article on the race.  Note the boat in the picture is "Deja Vu", lister
Steve Thorne's C&C 34+.

http://www.pnj.com/story/news/local/pensacola/2015/11/01/four-yachts-retire-pensacola-race/75006338/

Love the attitude of the one boat that broke, came back, got another boat
and continued on.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List : The platform question

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Janko

This list went thru Forum vs List question last year and the majority here 
liked preferred email list

We are almost all old codgers so any technology newer than 1995 or so befuddles 
and confuses us.  You will also note that most of us choose boats built before 
the age of internet as well.  We likely all also have rotary dial phones

I am digressing.  Is an old age thing I guess.  Anyway the majority prefer list 
over forum …
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Janko Puls 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Janko Puls
Subject: Stus-List : The platform question

Hi Stu and everyone,

Did you ever consider switching the list into a forum?

I really enjoy reading this everyday, here is so much shared knowlegede and 
enthusiasm, but it's a pain in the neck to actually read.
These are some problems with the actual list:
- When you clip everything off, it is hard to see what you exactly answered.
- If you leave the whole thing on, it is simply undecipherable.
- If you try to search for someting, you get way too many double, triple 
quintuple hits because of these copies.
- This list is the only recipient where I have to switch my email formatting 
off, or can's include a picture.

A forum could organize all thisd so much better
- You can follow the threads, expand or compress them to your hearts content 
and stay on topic.
- You answer exactly what and where you want to answer.
- It builds a searchable archive all by itself.
- If you don't want to go on it every day, subscribe to a newletter digest.
- You have a consistent layout which makes reading and searching so much easier.
- It is even easy to see if there was a there already a thread, link ist, add 
photos (just think wiring diagrams, sail plans, manuals etc.)

Some samples:
http://www.cruisersforum.com/
http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php

from other vocations:
http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php
http://saabworld.net/forum.php

I am aware that the text-only has an advantage when you are far out at sea otr 
high up oin a mountain and everxy bit counts. But let's be honest, most of us 
reading the list probably sit at home with a PC, Mac, tablet or smartphone and 
don't have to count the bits anymore (except the are Bitburger Pilseners).

I am pretty much under water these days but am happy to look around for some 
free solution (yes, we even used one of these at a newppaper website).
Any thoughts?

Cheers,
Janko
1980 C&C MkI Messing About


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A photo book by Janko Puls.

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Re: Stus-List Cuba race

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis, thanks for sharing the article; More power to the crew on the 
dismasted boat!...now that's some true sailing spirit!  I would love to hear 
from the "Deja Vu" owner/crew after the race is over, if anyone knows him, 
please ask if he would give us a recap of the racing and Cuba! Thanks 

 


Richard
C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Ile 584; 


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 10:03 am
Subject: Stus-List Cuba race


Article on the race.  Note the boat in the picture is "Deja Vu", lister Steve 
Thorne's C&C 34+.


http://www.pnj.com/story/news/local/pensacola/2015/11/01/four-yachts-retire-pensacola-race/75006338/


Love the attitude of the one boat that broke, came back, got another boat and 
continued on.  



Dennis C.



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Re: Stus-List Cuba race

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Steve keeps "Deja Vu" in my marina.  I suspect he will cruise a bit on the
way back.  He did the Mexico race last year and gave us a summary of that
race.  Hopefully he'll do the same for this one.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis, thanks for sharing the article; More power to the crew on the
> dismasted boat!...now that's some true sailing spirit!  I would love to
> hear from the "Deja Vu" owner/crew after the race is over, if anyone knows
> him, please ask if he would give us a recap of the racing and Cuba! Thanks
>
> Richard
> C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Ile 584;
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 10:03 am
> Subject: Stus-List Cuba race
>
> Article on the race.  Note the boat in the picture is "Deja Vu", lister
> Steve Thorne's C&C 34+.
>
>
> http://www.pnj.com/story/news/local/pensacola/2015/11/01/four-yachts-retire-pensacola-race/75006338/
>
> Love the attitude of the one boat that broke, came back, got another boat
> and continued on.
>
> Dennis C.
>
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Re: Stus-List : The platform question

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

sort of but not quite

The "Internet" in 'modern' sense was established in 1982, ARPANET.  Early nets 
were in use by the 70s, usually limited to localized computers (campus wide).  
I was lucky to work for Linkabit, an early adopter; that company developed the 
first email client program in wide use (1983-4).

Linkabit also developed the original GPS (Navstar), and the digital TV 
transmission protocols.  It was an interesting place to work.

So many of us have boats that do not predate the Internet, only a few that 
predates computer nets.  And I consider myself up-to-date as I have a Princess 
phone from AT&T.  ;-)  Though not in use, the bell would wake the dead...

Leslie
Phoenix, C&C32 1983


On Mon, 11/2/15, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List : The platform question
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" 
 Date: Monday, November 2, 2015, 7:05 AM
 
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 Janko 
    
 This list went thru Forum vs List
 question last year and the majority here liked preferred
 email list 
    
 We are almost all old codgers so
 any technology newer than 1995 or so befuddles and confuses
 us.  You will also note that most of us choose boats built
 before
  the age of internet as well.  We likely all also have
 rotary dial phones 
    
 I am digressing.  Is an old age
 thing I guess.  Anyway the majority prefer list over forum
 … 
 
 
 From: CnC-List
 [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Janko Puls via CnC-List
 
 Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:54 AM
 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 Cc: Janko Puls
 
 Subject: Stus-List : The platform question
 
 
 
    
 
 
 Hi Stu and everyone, 
 
 
   
 
 
 Did you ever consider switching the
 list into a forum? 
 
 
   
 
 
 I really enjoy reading this
 everyday, here is so much shared knowlegede and enthusiasm,
 but it's a pain in the neck to actually read.
 
 
 
 These are some problems with the
 actual list: 
 
 
 - When you clip everything off, it
 is hard to see what you exactly answered. 
 
 
 - If you leave the whole thing on,
 it is simply undecipherable. 
 
 
 - If you try to search for
 someting, you get way too many double, triple quintuple hits
 because of these copies. 
 
 
 - This list is the only recipient
 where I have to switch my email formatting off, or can's
 include a picture. 
 
 
   
 
 
 A forum could organize all thisd so
 much better 
 
 
 - You can follow the threads,
 expand or compress them to your hearts content and stay on
 topic. 
 
 
 - You answer exactly what and where
 you want to answer. 
 
 
 - It builds a searchable archive
 all by itself. 
 
 
 - If you don't want to go on it
 every day, subscribe to a newletter digest. 
 
 
 - You have a consistent layout
 which makes reading and searching so much easier.
 
 
 
 - It is even easy to see if there
 was a there already a thread, link ist, add photos (just
 think wiring diagrams, sail plans, manuals etc.) 
 
 
   
 
 
 Some samples: 
 
 
 http://www.cruisersforum.com/
 
 
 
 http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php
 
 
 
   
 
 
 from other vocations: 
 
 
 http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php
 
 
 
 http://saabworld.net/forum.php
 
 
 
   
 
 
 I am aware that the text-only has
 an advantage when you are far out at sea otr high up oin a
 mountain and everxy bit counts. But let's be honest,
 most of us reading the list
  probably sit at home with a PC, Mac, tablet or smartphone
 and don't have to count the bits anymore (except the are
 Bitburger Pilseners). 
 
 
   
 
 
 I am pretty much under water these
 days but am happy to look around for some free solution
 (yes, we even used one of these at a newppaper
 website). 
 
 
 Any thoughts? 
 
 
   
 
 
 Cheers, 
 
 
 Janko 
 
 
 1980 C&C MkI Messing
 About 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 --
 
 Point of View New York City: A Game of The City You THINK
 You Know
 
 A photo book by Janko Puls.
 
 
 
 +++ Photo

Re: Stus-List : The platform question

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My Admiral is an IT type.  She installed a rotary dial app on my iPhone.
:)  It actually works.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> sort of but not quite
>
> The "Internet" in 'modern' sense was established in 1982, ARPANET.  Early
> nets were in use by the 70s, usually limited to localized computers (campus
> wide).  I was lucky to work for Linkabit, an early adopter; that company
> developed the first email client program in wide use (1983-4).
>
> Linkabit also developed the original GPS (Navstar), and the digital TV
> transmission protocols.  It was an interesting place to work.
>
> So many of us have boats that do not predate the Internet, only a few that
> predates computer nets.  And I consider myself up-to-date as I have a
> Princess phone from AT&T.  ;-)  Though not in use, the bell would wake the
> dead...
>
> Leslie
> Phoenix, C&C32 1983
>
> 
> On Mon, 11/2/15, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List : The platform question
>  To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>  Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" 
>  Date: Monday, November 2, 2015, 7:05 AM
>
>  #yiv8985833895
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>
>  Janko
>
>  This list went thru Forum vs List
>  question last year and the majority here liked preferred
>  email list
>
>  We are almost all old codgers so
>  any technology newer than 1995 or so befuddles and confuses
>  us.  You will also note that most of us choose boats built
>  before
>   the age of internet as well.  We likely all also have
>  rotary dial phones
>
>  I am digressing.  Is an old age
>  thing I guess.  Anyway the majority prefer list over forum
>  …
>
>
>  From: CnC-List
>  [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>  On Behalf Of Janko Puls via CnC-List
>
>  Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:54 AM
>
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
>  Cc: Janko Puls
>
>  Subject: Stus-List : The platform question
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Hi Stu and everyone,
>
>
>
>
>
>  Did you ever consider switching the
>  list into a forum?
>
>
>
>
>
>  I really enjoy reading this
>  everyday, here is so much shared knowlegede and enthusiasm,
>  but it's a pain in the neck to actually read.
>
>
>
>  These are some problems with the
>  actual list:
>
>
>  - When you clip everything off, it
>  is hard to see what you exactly answered.
>
>
>  - If you leave the whole thing on,
>  it is simply undecipherable.
>
>
>  - If you try to search for
>  someting, you get way too many double, triple quintuple hits
>  because of these copies.
>
>
>  - This list is the only recipient
>  where I have to switch my email formatting off, or can's
>  include a picture.
>
>
>
>
>
>  A forum could organize all thisd so
>  much better
>
>
>  - You can follow the threads,
>  expand or compress them to your hearts content and stay on
>  topic.
>
>
>  - You answer exactly what and where
>  you want to answer.
>
>
>  - It builds a searchable archive
>  all by itself.
>
>
>  - If you don't want to go on it
>  every day, subscribe to a newletter digest.
>
>
>  - You have a consistent layout
>  which makes reading and searching so much easier.
>
>
>
>  - It is even easy to see if there
>  was a there already a thread, link ist, add photos (just
>  think wiring diagrams, sail plans, manuals etc.)
>
>
>
>
>
>  Some samples:
>
>
>  http://www.cruisersforum.com/
>
>
>
>  http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  from other vocations:
>
>
>  http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php
>
>
>
>  http://saabworld.net/forum.php
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  I am aware that the text-only has
>  an advantage when you are far out at sea otr high up oin a
>  mountain and everxy bit counts. But let's be honest,
>  most of us reading the list
>   probably sit at home with a PC, Mac, tablet or smartphone
>  and don't have to count the bits anymore (except the are
>  Bitburger Pilseners).
>
>
>
>
>
> 

Stus-List Cuba race

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Go Steve!  Way to represent the 34+ :-)  He seems to be doing well so far 
being in the top 10.. I'll have to ask about his crew.  Not surprised he's 
out-running bigger boats.. I can attest to the 34+ 's abilities to punch 
above its weight class.. 

Steve sold me my boat and lives about 35 minutes from my house. 

We talk from time to time and we're about due to catch-up.  I'll give him 
a call after the race and ask him to give us some details on the list (He 
does post from time to time) 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
lake Lanier, GA





> Dennis, thanks for sharing the article; More power to the crew on the
> dismasted boat!...now that's some true sailing spirit!  I would love to
> hear from the "Deja Vu" owner/crew after the race is over, if anyone 
knows
> him, please ask if he would give us a recap of the racing and Cuba! 
Thanks
>
> Richard
> C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Ile 584;
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255

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Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I'm a "K":

ZCC32059M80K


Hull #59, 1980.

Looks like just six past the one Bill is asking about. Rob, I have wheel
steering and an atomic 4.


Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> As I recall from prior posts on the list, and from reading the explanation
> of HINs on the USCG website, there are at least three different schemes for
> hull ID numbers that have been used over the years. I believe that the
> explanation that Chuck included below is for the current scheme.
>
>
>
> On my old 38II, the last four characters are 0176, meaning the hell was
> laid down (certified?) in January 1976, making the boat a 1976 model. The
> presumption was that boat model years were like car model years – starting
> in September – so 0975 would be a 76 model and 0976 would be a 77.
>
>
>
> But the September model year start would not meet the needs of
> manufacturers with longer build lead times, so a Model year format was
> started. M81D would be model year 81, with build started in month D. I
> would need to look it up again, but I think A was August, B September, etc.
> under this format.
>
>
>
> Again, build schedules longer than 12 months would be a problem for the
> system above. For example, Pacific Seacraft is about to launch the first 62
> footer, which was first laid down in the spring of 2013, with a planned
> launch date of June 2014. (Thumper commented that the customer doesn’t
> understand the “semi” part of semi-custom.)  So the system was changed
> again. I suspect the last 4 characters of the HIN for the new Seacraft 62
> will be something like D315 or even D316.
>
>
>
> Here is a website with a pretty complete explanation:
> http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *robert
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2015 8:21 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* robert 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE
>
>
>
> Chuck:
>
> Character 9 refers to the month..andcharacter 10 the year the boat
> was certified.
>
> In both of our HIN's, character 9 is 'M'but I can't find any 'M'
> in the "letters that correspond to the following months"
>
> So I ask again, what do the 'K' and 'D' stand for.it says below
> "The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the model year".
>
> Any other C&C 32 owners with the 12th character a 'K'?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2015-11-01 8:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I think the K means the hull was molded in November.
>
>
>
> Found the HIN explained on the web:
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. Picture]
> 
>
> The first 3 characters are what are referred to as the MIC or
> Manufacturers Index Code.  There are several sites on the internet that can
> help you decode the MIC of your HIN.  One such site is through the US
> Coast Guards website . Another
> option that might be a bit easier to use is Boat History Report
> which
> hosts a free HIN validator to verify you have the correct HIN to begin
> with.
>
>
>
> The following 5 digits vary according the manufacturer but are meant to be
> used as a serial number for that boat.  It may contain specifics such as
> the length or material of the boat or it may just be a sequential number.
> Manufacturers are able to use any series of numbers and letters except O, I
> and Q because they are easily mistaken.
>
>
>
> The last 4 characters of the HIN represent the certification year and
> model of the watercraft.  Character 9 refers to the month and character 10-
> the year, the boat was certified. Certification means when the boat was
> stated to be in compliance with all laws and regulations regarding safe
> boat building.  The letters correspond to the following months: A- January,
> B- February, C- March, D- April, E- May, F- June, G- July, H- August, I-
> September, J- October, K- November, L- December.  The year
> is dictated using the last number of the year- for example, March of 1982
> would be written as C2.  The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the
> model year.  In the example above, the boat was certified in March of 1993
> with a model year of 1993.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"robert via CnC-List" 
> 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *"robert"  
> *Sent: *Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:59:59 PM
> *Subject: *Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE
>
>
>
> Bill:
>
>
>
> No, I don't know anything about this boat.But I am curious about the
> "K" in the HIN.
>
>
>
> I thought there were four (4) C&C 32 models, A,B,C, and D.

Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Looking for a 32?
There's one for sale in my marina. It hasn't seen much use the last few
seasons.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1983-C%26amp%3BC-YACHTS-32-102414043

Chuck B
C&C 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm a "K":
>
> ZCC32059M80K
>
>
> Hull #59, 1980.
>
> Looks like just six past the one Bill is asking about. Rob, I have wheel
> steering and an atomic 4.
>
>
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C&C 32
>
> Toronto
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> As I recall from prior posts on the list, and from reading the
>> explanation of HINs on the USCG website, there are at least three different
>> schemes for hull ID numbers that have been used over the years. I believe
>> that the explanation that Chuck included below is for the current scheme.
>>
>>
>>
>> On my old 38II, the last four characters are 0176, meaning the hell was
>> laid down (certified?) in January 1976, making the boat a 1976 model. The
>> presumption was that boat model years were like car model years – starting
>> in September – so 0975 would be a 76 model and 0976 would be a 77.
>>
>>
>>
>> But the September model year start would not meet the needs of
>> manufacturers with longer build lead times, so a Model year format was
>> started. M81D would be model year 81, with build started in month D. I
>> would need to look it up again, but I think A was August, B September, etc.
>> under this format.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, build schedules longer than 12 months would be a problem for the
>> system above. For example, Pacific Seacraft is about to launch the first 62
>> footer, which was first laid down in the spring of 2013, with a planned
>> launch date of June 2014. (Thumper commented that the customer doesn’t
>> understand the “semi” part of semi-custom.)  So the system was changed
>> again. I suspect the last 4 characters of the HIN for the new Seacraft 62
>> will be something like D315 or even D316.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is a website with a pretty complete explanation:
>> http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Washington, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *robert
>> via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2015 8:21 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* robert 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck:
>>
>> Character 9 refers to the month..andcharacter 10 the year the
>> boat was certified.
>>
>> In both of our HIN's, character 9 is 'M'but I can't find any 'M'
>> in the "letters that correspond to the following months"
>>
>> So I ask again, what do the 'K' and 'D' stand for.it says below
>> "The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the model year".
>>
>> Any other C&C 32 owners with the 12th character a 'K'?
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>> On 2015-11-01 8:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> I think the K means the hull was molded in November.
>>
>>
>>
>> Found the HIN explained on the web:
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. Picture]
>> 
>>
>> The first 3 characters are what are referred to as the MIC or
>> Manufacturers Index Code.  There are several sites on the internet that can
>> help you decode the MIC of your HIN.  One such site is through the US
>> Coast Guards website . Another
>> option that might be a bit easier to use is Boat History Report
>> which
>> hosts a free HIN validator to verify you have the correct HIN to begin
>> with.
>>
>>
>>
>> The following 5 digits vary according the manufacturer but are meant to
>> be used as a serial number for that boat.  It may contain specifics such as
>> the length or material of the boat or it may just be a sequential number.
>> Manufacturers are able to use any series of numbers and letters except O, I
>> and Q because they are easily mistaken.
>>
>>
>>
>> The last 4 characters of the HIN represent the certification year and
>> model of the watercraft.  Character 9 refers to the month and character 10-
>> the year, the boat was certified. Certification means when the boat was
>> stated to be in compliance with all laws and regulations regarding safe
>> boat building.  The letters correspond to the following months: A- January,
>> B- February, C- March, D- April, E- May, F- June, G- July, H- August, I-
>> September, J- October, K- November, L- December.  The year
>> is dictated using the last number of the year- for example, March of 1982
>> would be written as C2.  The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the
>> model year.  In the example above, the boat was certified in March of 1993
>> with a model year of 1993.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>> *Resolute*

Stus-List The platform question

[Stu via CnC-List]

Just a bit of history on our list and what the future holds.

Back in the mid 90’s, when most of us had dial-up internet connections, we had 
a mailing list hosted by Sailnet.  They went through some financial 
difficulties, and decided to charge a $20 yearly fee to participate.  That 
upset a lot of people, not only C&Cers, but other groups.  Everybody dropped 
off the list.  Some people decided to start Forums and social networking sites 
on Yahoo and other places.  Nothing worked like our old list.

People were losing contact with each other and we needed a new venue.  I 
decided to find an ISP that would host a mailing list program and not limit us 
to a certain number of emails per hour.  Believe me they are hard to find and 
prices were outrageous.  Finally I found our current host and we have been with 
them for over 10 years.

Then someone came along with a suggestion for a Forum similar to Sailing 
Arnachy and even Sailnet.  I did not like what I saw but I installed a Forum on 
the Photo Album.  Response was slow to nil.  Everyone posted on this list and 
very few people went to the Forum.  Finally I took it down – no sense wasting 
disc space and bandwidth.

During the past few years, I have had many, many compliments regarding the 
email list.  Several comments included the politeness of the subscribers; no 
politics, sex, religion, bashing or flaming.  A few people had left the C&C 
family but continue to be subscribers and offer their valuable info.  The list 
has people who do not own a C&C and contribute when and where they can.

So, the subject of having a Forum is a done deal.  It is of no use to the 
present subscribers.  Each week there are new subscribers and very few people 
who unsubscribe.  Right now, we have over 700 subscribers and I have no 
intention of disappointing them.

I pay for the list out of my own pocket and from contributions from our 
members.  There is no company supporting the list.  The only time that this 
list will shut down, is when the funds dry up or I go for my last sail to the 
heavens above.  The cost has gone up considerably since the start and as the 
archives grow, I get dinged for extra disc space plus the monthly charge for 
the hosting.

For people who have difficulty searching the archives, go to the main page of 
the Photo Album, scroll down near the bottom and there is a box called “Search 
the Email Discussion List Archives”, enter your search word(s) and press GO.  
The search is actually a Google Search of all the archives and you will get 
many pages of results.  It is not like looking at the list archives which I 
will admit are difficult to navigate.

Hope this email will help everyone understand the Email Discussion List a 
little bit more and appreciate it even more.

Stu – and just another short note – I do not own a C&C and have not been on one 
in over 5 years but the friendship from this list keeps me going.___

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Re: Stus-List The platform question

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Many thanks Stu!

I have made donations and intend to in the future.  That being said, Have
you considered having a periodic fund drive?  Maybe keep a "thermometer" as
a small measure of available funds or funds needed right on the web page?

Please solicit help or funds when needed.

Warmest regards,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Nov 2, 2015 1:37 PM, "Stu via CnC-List"  wrote:

> Just a bit of history on our list and what the future holds.
>
> Back in the mid 90’s, when most of us had dial-up internet connections, we
> had a mailing list hosted by Sailnet.  They went through some financial
> difficulties, and decided to charge a $20 yearly fee to participate.  That
> upset a lot of people, not only C&Cers, but other groups.  Everybody
> dropped off the list.  Some people decided to start Forums and social
> networking sites on Yahoo and other places.  Nothing worked like our old
> list.
>
> People were losing contact with each other and we needed a new venue.  I
> decided to find an ISP that would host a mailing list program and not limit
> us to a certain number of emails per hour.  Believe me they are hard to
> find and prices were outrageous.  Finally I found our current host and we
> have been with them for over 10 years.
>
> Then someone came along with a suggestion for a Forum similar to Sailing
> Arnachy and even Sailnet.  I did not like what I saw but I installed a
> Forum on the Photo Album.  Response was slow to nil.  Everyone posted on
> this list and very few people went to the Forum.  Finally I took it down –
> no sense wasting disc space and bandwidth.
>
> During the past few years, I have had many, many compliments regarding the
> email list.  Several comments included the politeness of the subscribers;
> no politics, sex, religion, bashing or flaming.  A few people had left the
> C&C family but continue to be subscribers and offer their valuable info.
> The list has people who do not own a C&C and contribute when and where they
> can.
>
> So, the subject of having a Forum is a done deal.  It is of no use to the
> present subscribers.  Each week there are new subscribers and very few
> people who unsubscribe.  Right now, we have over 700 subscribers and I have
> no intention of disappointing them.
>
> I pay for the list out of my own pocket and from contributions from our
> members.  There is no company supporting the list.  The only time that this
> list will shut down, is when the funds dry up or I go for my last sail to
> the heavens above.  The cost has gone up considerably since the start and
> as the archives grow, I get dinged for extra disc space plus the monthly
> charge for the hosting.
>
> For people who have difficulty searching the archives, go to the main page
> of the Photo Album, scroll down near the bottom and there is a box called
> “Search the Email Discussion List Archives”, enter your search word(s) and
> press GO.  The search is actually a Google Search of all the archives and
> you will get many pages of results.  It is not like looking at the list
> archives which I will admit are difficult to navigate.
>
> Hope this email will help everyone understand the Email Discussion List a
> little bit more and appreciate it even more.
>
> Stu – and just another short note – I do not own a C&C and have not been
> on one in over 5 years but the friendship from this list keeps me going.
>
> ___
>
> Email address:
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the
> bottom of page at:
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>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

HI Rob,

Bill Bina answered your question but the answer ended up in a separate
thread:


The M in the 4 character date code is a placeholder and has no meaning. The
year indicated is not the model year. It is the year of certification. That
basically means the date the build paperwork was generated. The date code
does not indicate model year other than by coincidence, and it does not
indicate the date completed.

Bill Bina


To add to that, before August 1, 1984 there were two different formats
permitted for a Hull Identification Number (HIN).  These two formats differ
only in the last four (4) digits.  Either you have 4 numerical
values, the first two being month and the second two year OR the last 4
digits are letter, number, number, letter.  If your HIN is the second
allowed format the first digit of the last group of 4 digits is always an M
(which doesn't mean anything), followed by 2 digits which are numbers
showing the year the construction papers were started, followed by a letter
which is the month of manufacture.

...so for HIN ZCC32053M80K

ZCC = C&C Yachts

32 = 32' LOA

053 is the Serial number of your hull, so hull no. 53 of the C&C 32

M = nothing, just a place holder

80 = 1980, the year the construction of your hull was started

K = June, the month the construction of your hull was started


...and for HIN   ZCC32277M84D

ZCC = C&C Yachts

32 = 32' LOA

277 is the Serial number of your hull, so hull no. 277 of the C&C 32

M = nothing, just a place holder

84 = 1984, the year the construction of your hull was started

D = April, the month the construction of your hull was started (or at least the
date the build paperwork was generated)


If they had started construction of your boat after August 1984 your HIN
would have followed the new (different) format.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm

Does that help?

Ken H.
SV Salazar - C&C 37 XL
Cape Breton Island, NS


On 1 November 2015 at 21:20, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Chuck:
>
> Character 9 refers to the month..andcharacter 10 the year the boat
> was certified.
>
> In both of our HIN's, character 9 is 'M'but I can't find any 'M'
> in the "letters that correspond to the following months"
>
> So I ask again, what do the 'K' and 'D' stand for.it says below
> "The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the model year".
>
> Any other C&C 32 owners with the 12th character a 'K'?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2015-11-01 8:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I think the K means the hull was molded in November.
>
> Found the HIN explained on the web:
>
> [image: Picture] 
> The first 3 characters are what are referred to as the MIC or
> Manufacturers Index Code.  There are several sites on the internet that can
> help you decode the MIC of your HIN.  One such site is through the US
> Coast Guards website . Another
> option that might be a bit easier to use is Boat History Report
> which
> hosts a free HIN validator to verify you have the correct HIN to begin
> with.
>
> The following 5 digits vary according the manufacturer but are meant to be
> used as a serial number for that boat.  It may contain specifics such as
> the length or material of the boat or it may just be a sequential number.
> Manufacturers are able to use any series of numbers and letters except O, I
> and Q because they are easily mistaken.
>
> The last 4 characters of the HIN represent the certification year and
> model of the watercraft.  Character 9 refers to the month and character 10-
> the year, the boat was certified. Certification means when the boat was
> stated to be in compliance with all laws and regulations regarding safe
> boat building.  The letters correspond to the following months: A- January,
> B- February, C- March, D- April, E- May, F- June, G- July, H- August, I-
> September, J- October, K- November, L- December.  The year
> is dictated using the last number of the year- for example, March of 1982
> would be written as C2.  The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the
> model year.  In the example above, the boat was certified in March of 1993
> with a model year of 1993.
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
> --
> *From: *"robert via CnC-List" 
> 
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *"robert"  
> *Sent: *Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:59:59 PM
> *Subject: *Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE
>
> Bill:
>
> No, I don't know anything about this boat.But I am curious about the
> "K" in the HIN.
>
> I thought there were four (4) C&C 32 models, A,B,C, and D...mine is
> HIN   ZCC32277M84D...have never heard of a "K".
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
>
> ___
>
> Email address:

Re: Stus-List The platform question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I would second that. You do a really good job, Stu, and we all appreciate it. I 
think the idea of a periodic fund drive is quite good.

 

If I may suggest something, I would say that another good idea would be to find 
someone who could step up, when Stu is no longer able to continue. From a 
simple IT perspective a backup plan would certainly help.

 

Marek

C&C-less, but still finding a lot of good information here

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: November-02-15 13:45
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List The platform question

 

Many thanks Stu!  

I have made donations and intend to in the future.  That being said, Have you 
considered having a periodic fund drive?  Maybe keep a "thermometer" as a small 
measure of available funds or funds needed right on the web page?

Please solicit help or funds when needed.

Warmest regards, 

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Nov 2, 2015 1:37 PM, "Stu via CnC-List"  wrote:

Just a bit of history on our list and what the future holds.

 

Back in the mid 90’s, when most of us had dial-up internet connections, we had 
a mailing list hosted by Sailnet.  They went through some financial 
difficulties, and decided to charge a $20 yearly fee to participate.  That 
upset a lot of people, not only C&Cers, but other groups.  Everybody dropped 
off the list.  Some people decided to start Forums and social networking sites 
on Yahoo and other places.  Nothing worked like our old list.

 

People were losing contact with each other and we needed a new venue.  I 
decided to find an ISP that would host a mailing list program and not limit us 
to a certain number of emails per hour.  Believe me they are hard to find and 
prices were outrageous.  Finally I found our current host and we have been with 
them for over 10 years.

 

Then someone came along with a suggestion for a Forum similar to Sailing 
Arnachy and even Sailnet.  I did not like what I saw but I installed a Forum on 
the Photo Album.  Response was slow to nil.  Everyone posted on this list and 
very few people went to the Forum.  Finally I took it down – no sense wasting 
disc space and bandwidth.

 

During the past few years, I have had many, many compliments regarding the 
email list.  Several comments included the politeness of the subscribers; no 
politics, sex, religion, bashing or flaming.  A few people had left the C&C 
family but continue to be subscribers and offer their valuable info.  The list 
has people who do not own a C&C and contribute when and where they can.

 

So, the subject of having a Forum is a done deal.  It is of no use to the 
present subscribers.  Each week there are new subscribers and very few people 
who unsubscribe.  Right now, we have over 700 subscribers and I have no 
intention of disappointing them.

 

I pay for the list out of my own pocket and from contributions from our 
members.  There is no company supporting the list.  The only time that this 
list will shut down, is when the funds dry up or I go for my last sail to the 
heavens above.  The cost has gone up considerably since the start and as the 
archives grow, I get dinged for extra disc space plus the monthly charge for 
the hosting.

 

For people who have difficulty searching the archives, go to the main page of 
the Photo Album, scroll down near the bottom and there is a box called “Search 
the Email Discussion List Archives”, enter your search word(s) and press GO.  
The search is actually a Google Search of all the archives and you will get 
many pages of results.  It is not like looking at the list archives which I 
will admit are difficult to navigate.

 

Hope this email will help everyone understand the Email Discussion List a 
little bit more and appreciate it even more.

 

Stu – and just another short note – I do not own a C&C and have not been on one 
in over 5 years but the friendship from this list keeps me going.


___

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[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I contracted a small oil leak when the valve cover gasket failed on my
Yanmar diesel.  The automatic sensor in the Rule-Mate 750 bilge pump is
designed to detect the change in dielectric constant of the oil in the
water and not turn on the pump.  What a great idea!  Now that I have fixed
the oil leak, the pump still refuses to turn on automatically.  Does anyone
know how to restore the pump to automatic operation?  I've tried to clean
the pump with detergent to no avail.

Thanks in advance,
Gary
S/V High Maintenance
1990 C&C 37 Plus
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree NOW HIN codes

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The “M” actually does mean something – that the manufacturer is using the MODEL 
Year format that was optional prior to August 1, 1984.

 

Why August 1st? Because any boat started after August 1st is by definition a 
boat of the following MODEL Year. 

 

If you look at the date codes listed under the illustration of the two number 
schemes used prior to August 84  in the material at 
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm , you will see that the month 
code starts with A = August. This is different than is HINs after August 1984 
(which show both the month of certification and the model year); in the newer 
scheme A=January.

 

In your message below, the interpretation of the HIN ending in M80K is 
essentially correct. It signifies a 1980 model (M80) which was certified – 
start of the construction process, whatever event triggered it – s in month K. 
Since MODEL Year 1980 boats were made from August (A) 1979 to July (L) 1980, 
the start of production was June, 1980.

 

For the boat with HIN ending in M84D, the boat is a 1984 model (M84) and start 
of production was in month D. Month D = November, so for a 1984 model boat the 
certification was in November of 1983.

 

After August 1, 1984 (the nominal start of production for the 1985 models), the 
first 32 built would have had the date code of H4 (for certification in August 
1984, remember that A = January in the newer scheme) followed by 85 (the model 
year of the boat).  So the date code would be H485. All in all, the newer 
format is a lot less confusing and clearly defines both the date of 
certification and the model year.

 

And it also, as I said in an earlier post, accommodates builders with a long 
production cycle like Pacific Seacraft – where a boat started in 2013 will not 
get completed and launched until late in 2015.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 2:54 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE

 

To add to that, before August 1, 1984 there were two different formats 
permitted for a Hull Identification Number (HIN).  These two formats differ 
only in the last four (4) digits.  Either you have 4 numerical values, the 
first two being month and the second two year OR the last 4 digits are letter, 
number, number, letter.  If your HIN is the second allowed format the first 
digit of the last group of 4 digits is always an M (which doesn't mean 
anything), followed by 2 digits which are numbers showing the year the 
construction papers were started, followed by a letter which is the month of 
manufacture.

 

...so for HIN ZCC32053M80K

 

ZCC = C&C Yachts

 

32 = 32' LOA

 

053 is the Serial number of your hull, so hull no. 53 of the C&C 32

 

M = nothing, just a place holder

 

80 = 1980, the year the construction of your hull was started

 

K = June, the month the construction of your hull was started

 

...and for HIN   ZCC32277M84D

 

ZCC = C&C Yachts

 

32 = 32' LOA

 

277 is the Serial number of your hull, so hull no. 277 of the C&C 32

 

M = nothing, just a place holder

 

84 = 1984, the year the construction of your hull was started

 

D = April, the month the construction of your hull was started (or at least the 
date the build paperwork was generated)

 

If they had started construction of your boat after August 1984 your HIN would 
have followed the new (different) format.

 

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm

 

Does that help?

 

Ken H.

SV Salazar - C&C 37 XL

Cape Breton Island, NS

 

 

On 1 November 2015 at 21:20, robert via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Chuck:

Character 9 refers to the month..andcharacter 10 the year the boat was 
certified.

In both of our HIN's, character 9 is 'M'but I can't find any 'M' in the 
"letters that correspond to the following months"

So I ask again, what do the 'K' and 'D' stand for.it says below "The 
eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the model year".

Any other C&C 32 owners with the 12th character a 'K'?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-11-01 8:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:

I think the K means the hull was molded in November.  

 

Found the HIN explained on the web:

 

  

The first 3 characters are what are referred to as the MIC or Manufacturers 
Index Code.  There are several sites on the internet that can help you decode 
the MIC of your HIN.  One such site is through the US Coast Guards website 
 . Another option that might be a 
bit easier to use is Boat History Report 
  which 
hosts a free HIN validator to verify you have the correct HIN to begin with. 

 

The following 5 digits vary according the manufacturer but are 

Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree NOW HIN codes

[robert via CnC-List]

Rick:

Thank you for the explanation/clarification on the HIN..It makes 
sense that all of the HIN 12 characters 'mean something' .  I have one 
last question and then I will end this...please...
  "start of production was in  Month D = November, so for a 1984 model 
boat the certification was in November of 1983."


QUESTION:  What is the difference between the "start of production"...I 
assume when C&C started building my boat versus "the certification was 
in November of 1983"?


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





On 2015-11-02 9:11 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


The “M” actually does mean something – that the manufacturer is using 
the MODEL Year format that was optional prior to August 1, 1984.


Why August 1^st ? Because any boat started after August 1^st is by 
definition a boat of the following MODEL Year.


If you look at the date codes listed under the illustration of the two 
number schemes used prior to August 84 in the material at 
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm , you will see that 
the month code starts with A = August. This is different than is HINs 
after August 1984 (which show both the month of certification and the 
model year); in the newer scheme A=January.


In your message below, the interpretation of the HIN ending in M80K is 
essentially correct. It signifies a 1980 model (M80) which was 
certified – start of the construction process, whatever event 
triggered it – s in month K. Since MODEL Year 1980 boats were made 
from August (A) 1979 to July (L) 1980, the start of production was 
June, 1980.


For the boat with HIN ending in M84D, the boat is a 1984 model (M84) 
and start of production was in month D. Month D = November, so for a 
1984 model boat the certification was in November of 1983.


After August 1, 1984 (the nominal start of production for the 1985 
models), the first 32 built would have had the date code of H4 (for 
certification in August 1984, remember that A = January in the newer 
scheme) followed by 85 (the model year of the boat).  So the date code 
would be H485. All in all, the newer format is a lot less confusing 
and clearly defines both the date of certification and the model year.


And it also, as I said in an earlier post, accommodates builders with 
a long production cycle like Pacific Seacraft – where a boat started 
in 2013 will not get completed and launched until late in 2015.


Rick Brass

Washington, NC

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Ken Heaton via CnC-List

*Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 2:54 PM
*To:* cnc-list 
*Cc:* Ken Heaton 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE

To add to that, before August 1, 1984 there were two different formats 
permitted for a Hull Identification Number (HIN).  These two formats 
differ only in the last four (4) digits.  Either you have 4 numerical 
values, the first two being month and the second two year OR the last 
4 digits are letter, number, number, letter.  If your HIN 
is the second allowed format the first digit of the last group of 4 
digits is always an M (which doesn't mean anything), followed by 2 
digits which are numbers showing the year the construction papers were 
started, followed by a letter which is the month of manufacture.


...so for HIN ZCC32053M80K

ZCC = C&C Yachts

32 = 32' LOA

053 is the Serial number of your hull, so hull no. 53 of the C&C 32

M = nothing, just a place holder

80 = 1980, the year the construction of your hull was started

K = June, the month the construction of your hull was started

...and for HIN   ZCC32277M84D

ZCC = C&C Yachts

32 = 32' LOA

277 is the Serial number of your hull, so hull no. 277 of the C&C 32

M = nothing, just a place holder

84 = 1984, the year the construction of your hull was started

D = April, the month the construction of your hull was started (or
at least the date the build paperwork was generated)

If they had started construction of your boat after August 1984 your 
HIN would have followed the new (different) format.


http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm

Does that help?

Ken H.

SV Salazar - C&C 37 XL

Cape Breton Island, NS

On 1 November 2015 at 21:20, robert via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Chuck:

Character 9 refers to the month..andcharacter 10 the year
the boat was certified.

In both of our HIN's, character 9 is 'M'but I can't find
any 'M' in the "letters that correspond to the following months"

So I ask again, what do the 'K' and 'D' stand for.it says
below "The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the model year".

Any other C&C 32 owners with the 12th character a 'K'?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-11-01 8:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:

I think the K means the hull was molded in November.

Found the HIN explained on the we