Rick:
Thank you for the explanation/clarification on the HIN......It makes
sense that all of the HIN 12 characters 'mean something' . I have one
last question and then I will end this...please...
"start of production was in Month D = November, so for a 1984 model
boat the certification was in November of 1983."
QUESTION: What is the difference between the "start of production"...I
assume when C&C started building my boat versus "the certification was
in November of 1983"?
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2015-11-02 9:11 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
The “M” actually does mean something – that the manufacturer is using
the MODEL Year format that was optional prior to August 1, 1984.
Why August 1^st ? Because any boat started after August 1^st is by
definition a boat of the following MODEL Year.
If you look at the date codes listed under the illustration of the two
number schemes used prior to August 84 in the material at
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm , you will see that
the month code starts with A = August. This is different than is HINs
after August 1984 (which show both the month of certification and the
model year); in the newer scheme A=January.
In your message below, the interpretation of the HIN ending in M80K is
essentially correct. It signifies a 1980 model (M80) which was
certified – start of the construction process, whatever event
triggered it – s in month K. Since MODEL Year 1980 boats were made
from August (A) 1979 to July (L) 1980, the start of production was
June, 1980.
For the boat with HIN ending in M84D, the boat is a 1984 model (M84)
and start of production was in month D. Month D = November, so for a
1984 model boat the certification was in November of 1983.
After August 1, 1984 (the nominal start of production for the 1985
models), the first 32 built would have had the date code of H4 (for
certification in August 1984, remember that A = January in the newer
scheme) followed by 85 (the model year of the boat). So the date code
would be H485. All in all, the newer format is a lot less confusing
and clearly defines both the date of certification and the model year.
And it also, as I said in an earlier post, accommodates builders with
a long production cycle like Pacific Seacraft – where a boat started
in 2013 will not get completed and launched until late in 2015.
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE
To add to that, before August 1, 1984 there were two different formats
permitted for a Hull Identification Number (HIN). These two formats
differ only in the last four (4) digits. Either you have 4 numerical
values, the first two being month and the second two year OR the last
4 digits are letter, number, number, letter. If your HIN
is the second allowed format the first digit of the last group of 4
digits is always an M (which doesn't mean anything), followed by 2
digits which are numbers showing the year the construction papers were
started, followed by a letter which is the month of manufacture.
...so for HIN ZCC32053M80K
ZCC = C&C Yachts
32 = 32' LOA
053 is the Serial number of your hull, so hull no. 53 of the C&C 32
M = nothing, just a place holder
80 = 1980, the year the construction of your hull was started
K = June, the month the construction of your hull was started
...and for HIN ZCC32277M84D
ZCC = C&C Yachts
32 = 32' LOA
277 is the Serial number of your hull, so hull no. 277 of the C&C 32
M = nothing, just a place holder
84 = 1984, the year the construction of your hull was started
D = April, the month the construction of your hull was started (or
at least the date the build paperwork was generated)
If they had started construction of your boat after August 1984 your
HIN would have followed the new (different) format.
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm
Does that help?
Ken H.
SV Salazar - C&C 37 XL
Cape Breton Island, NS
On 1 November 2015 at 21:20, robert via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Chuck:
Character 9 refers to the month......and....character 10 the year
the boat was certified.
In both of our HIN's, character 9 is 'M'........but I can't find
any 'M' in the "letters that correspond to the following months"
So I ask again, what do the 'K' and 'D' stand for.....it says
below "The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the model year".
Any other C&C 32 owners with the 12th character a 'K'?
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2015-11-01 8:13 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
I think the K means the hull was molded in November.
Found the HIN explained on the web:
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<http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm>
The first 3 characters are what are referred to as the MIC or
Manufacturers Index Code. There are several sites on the
internet that can help you decode the MIC of your HIN. One
such site is through the US Coast Guards website
<http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/mic1.aspx>. Another option
that might be a bit easier to use is Boat History Report
<http://www.boathistoryreport.com/main.cfm?f=partners&partnerid=59547>which
hosts a free HIN validator to verify you have the correct HIN
to begin with.
The following 5 digits vary according the manufacturer but are
meant to be used as a serial number for that boat. It may
contain specifics such as the length or material of the boat
or it may just be a sequential number. Manufacturers are able
to use any series of numbers and letters except O, I and Q
because they are easily mistaken.
The last 4 characters of the HIN represent the certification
year and model of the watercraft. Character 9 refers to the
month and character 10- the year, the boat was certified.
Certification means when the boat was stated to be in
compliance with all laws and regulations regarding safe boat
building. The letters correspond to the following months: A-
January, B- February, C- March, D- April, E- May, F- June, G-
July, H- August, I- September, J- October, K- November, L-
December. The year is dictated using the last number of the
year- for example, March of 1982 would be written as C2.
The eleventh and twelfth characters refer to the model year.
In the example above, the boat was certified in March of 1993
with a model year of 1993.
Chuck
*/Resolute/*
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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*Subject: *Stus-List 1980 C&C 32 Innisfree - Wilmington, DE
Bill:
No, I don't know anything about this boat. But I am curious
about the
"K" in the HIN.
I thought there were four (4) C&C 32 models, A,B,C, and
D.......mine is
HIN ZCC32277M84D.......have never heard of a "K".
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
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