Re: Stus-List Gray PVC plumbing fittings source?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Those fittings are called Qest and can be purchased here:

https://www.plumbingsupply.com/polyb.html

You can get barbed adapters at Lowes and HD for Qest to Pex pipe.  IIRC
they are labels PB to Pex.  The pipe is called polybutylene.  They entire
product line was part of a class action lawsuit which the company (Zurn)
lost.  The material is particularly prone to clorine embrittelment.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons,  MD
On Jan 27, 2015 1:00 AM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I  am having difficulty finding a source for the press/nipple fitting  on
> the gray semi rigid PVC plumbing for our water system  on our 89 30-2. One
> of the fitting s has been weeping a bit at the Raritan 6 gallon hot water
> tank I replaced recently. I suspect they are not intended to be reused or
> it was deformed by over torquing by amateur marine plumbers such as myself.
> Any leads? Has everyone moved on to PE and quick connect fittings?
>
> I don't have a good photo except of the old heater before I removed it.
> The image is looking down onto the heater with the water supply on the
> right. The broken coupling was someone else's doing but was water tight.
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8ZmlnVkEzTTVySXM/edit?usp=docslist_api
>
> Thanks again.
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Re: Stus-List Gray PVC plumbing fittings source?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I found that the Qest fittings were very space efficient, only rivalled by
copper.  So I plumbed a manifold that would meet my needs.  For one reason
or another the Raritan water heaters are quite expensive so I rebuilt
mine.  I posted these last year.
https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1ydEpoMU1MWmx6Qms/edit

Josh
On Jan 27, 2015 1:00 AM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I  am having difficulty finding a source for the press/nipple fitting  on
> the gray semi rigid PVC plumbing for our water system  on our 89 30-2. One
> of the fitting s has been weeping a bit at the Raritan 6 gallon hot water
> tank I replaced recently. I suspect they are not intended to be reused or
> it was deformed by over torquing by amateur marine plumbers such as myself.
> Any leads? Has everyone moved on to PE and quick connect fittings?
>
> I don't have a good photo except of the old heater before I removed it.
> The image is looking down onto the heater with the water supply on the
> right. The broken coupling was someone else's doing but was water tight.
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8ZmlnVkEzTTVySXM/edit?usp=docslist_api
>
> Thanks again.
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Re: Stus-List Gray PVC plumbing fittings source?

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Are you sure that they are not the PVC fittings that you get at Home Depot or 
Lowes? They look to me very similar to what one would use for the cottage water 
supply lines.

Marek (in Ottawa)

From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:59 AM
To: C&C List 
Subject: Stus-List Gray PVC plumbing fittings source?

I  am having difficulty finding a source for the press/nipple fitting  on the 
gray semi rigid PVC plumbing for our water system  on our 89 30-2. One of the 
fitting s has been weeping a bit at the Raritan 6 gallon hot water tank I 
replaced recently. I suspect they are not intended to be reused or it was 
deformed by over torquing by amateur marine plumbers such as myself. Any leads? 
Has everyone moved on to PE and quick connect fittings?

I don't have a good photo except of the old heater before I removed it. The 
image is looking down onto the heater with the water supply on the right. The 
broken coupling was someone else's doing but was water tight. 
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8ZmlnVkEzTTVySXM/edit?usp=docslist_api

Thanks again.




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Re: Stus-List Gray PVC plumbing fittings source?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Positive.

They are NPS (straight) thread and actually work on a compression fitting
basis and are poor choices when interfacing with NPT (taperred).  Each
piece had a built in cone or cup and that is the sealling surface.  Snug
plus a 1/4 turn is all that is needed and NO TEFLON TAPE!  When attached to
a pipe as in the picture the edges of the pipe just grind into the plastic
cone and destroy it.  Then it leaks so someone gets teflon tap but then the
threads get too tight and crack as in the picture.

Josh
On Jan 27, 2015 8:15 AM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>   Are you sure that they are not the PVC fittings that you get at Home
> Depot or Lowes? They look to me very similar to what one would use for the
> cottage water supply lines.
>
> Marek (in Ottawa)
>
>  *From:* Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:59 AM
> *To:* C&C List 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Gray PVC plumbing fittings source?
>
>
> I  am having difficulty finding a source for the press/nipple fitting  on
> the gray semi rigid PVC plumbing for our water system  on our 89 30-2. One
> of the fitting s has been weeping a bit at the Raritan 6 gallon hot water
> tank I replaced recently. I suspect they are not intended to be reused or
> it was deformed by over torquing by amateur marine plumbers such as myself.
> Any leads? Has everyone moved on to PE and quick connect fittings?
>
> I don't have a good photo except of the old heater before I removed it.
> The image is looking down onto the heater with the water supply on the
> right. The broken coupling was someone else's doing but was water tight.
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8ZmlnVkEzTTVySXM/edit?usp=docslist_api
>
> Thanks again.
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Re: Stus-List Cunningham - Flattening reef

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I do it the opposite way.  I use the reef point dog bone to attach a snap hook 
with a block and use that as my Cunningham.  When I want to reef, I just pull 
this down so I can reef from the cockpit.  If I don’t mind leaving he cockpit 
(not single handing), I move the snap hook to the next reef point dog bone and 
hook the first dog bone ring over the  horns on the boom so I retain a 
Cunningham for the reefed sail.  It raises the Cunningham a bit higher than 
traditional, but I don’t see that as much of a downside over reefing from the 
cockpit.  Dave

On Jan 26, 2015, at 11:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Antoine wrote:
> 
> "Having the grommet has another advantage. If you have a corresponding 
> grommet on the leach side, you can take a six inch reef (sorry, don't how 
> it's called in English, "ris de fond" in French). This very small reef does 
> not reduce substantially the size of the sail but removes much of the draft. 
> A flatter main points higher and reduce heeling."
> 
> It's called a "flattening reef".  I raced on a Pearson Flyer with one.  It 
> seemed to help when the wind piped up.
> 
> Read about it in the "Mainsheet and Traveler" section:
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
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[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

 You're probably right  Like you I have no idea what it's really worth.
 Looks like a mostly custom job,  someone spent some serious coin having it
 built..  As for the interior and the bar yeah, you'd have to pay attention
 not to trip into the stools in an angry sea but for the 'Power Brokers"
 champagne and umbrella drink parties that's the ticket. LOL

 Nice to see how the other half lives..

 -Francois
 1990 34+ "Take five"
 Lake Lanier, GA




From:   Brent Driedger 
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS,
"cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Date:   01/26/2015 10:40 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Lavish C&C's



She's a pretty boat but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then again
once we leave the 100k barrier on a 26 year old boat, I'm really out of
touch with what costs are.
She looks more suited for entertaining at the harbour then thrashing about
in the ocean.

Brent D
C&C 27-v
Lake Winnipeg.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Did you see the 1989 57 in Seebrook, TX?

For only 325K, you get a 57 complete with a bar that includes 3
permanent bar stools. See here:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/C%26C-57-2752865/Seabrook/TX/United-States#.VMbb5P54rg4


When your sailin' yacht is sporting an actual bar with stools
you know you're a "Playah"  :-)   It takes the "Ultimate Man
Cave" idea to a whole new level.

PS, Here's the video from our 1st sail for 2015.  It was
honkin' 18-22 steady knots with gusts pushing 29-30.  Sunny,
mid 50's, and gorgeous.  We hit 8.4 knots with a conservative 2
reefs on the main and the jib furled down to about 110 %


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daABRxXtcJc

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Gray PVC plumbing fittings source?

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Yes. The cone/cup is what is leaking and what I can not find at HD etc. I
replaced that coupling with PVC.

I wish I could have rebuilt my heater. It was so far gone that when I
removed it literally disintegrated in to a pile of rust and pink
insulation. I have no idea how it held water. I never powered it up because
I knew it was hazardous.

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Wait a second! We have champagne and umbrella drinks all the time on Peregrine. 
Except when we're going to windward. Everybody puts umbrellas in their dark and 
stories, right?

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Jan 27, 2015, at 09:00, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You're probably right  Like you I have no idea what it's really worth. 
> Looks like a mostly custom job,  someone spent some serious coin having it 
> built..  As for the interior and the bar yeah, you'd have to pay attention 
> not to trip into the stools in an angry sea but for the 'Power Brokers" 
> champagne and umbrella drink parties that's the ticket. LOL 
> 
> Nice to see how the other half lives..
> 
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
> Brent Driedger ---01/26/2015 10:40:37 PM---She's a pretty boat 
> but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then again once we leave the 
> 100k b
> 
> From: Brent Driedger 
> To:   Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> 
> Date: 01/26/2015 10:40 PM
> Subject:  Re: Stus-List Lavish C&C's
> 
> 
> 
> She's a pretty boat but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then again 
> once we leave the 100k barrier on a 26 year old boat, I'm really out of touch 
> with what costs are. 
> She looks more suited for entertaining at the harbour then thrashing about in 
> the ocean. 
> 
> Brent D
> C&C 27-v
> Lake Winnipeg. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you see the 1989 57 in Seebrook, TX?  
> 
> For only 325K, you get a 57 complete with a bar that includes 3 permanent bar 
> stools. See here:  
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/C%26C-57-2752865/Seabrook/TX/United-States#.VMbb5P54rg4
> 
> When your sailin' yacht is sporting an actual bar with stools you know you're 
> a "Playah"  :-)   It takes the "Ultimate Man Cave" idea to a whole new level. 
>  
> 
> PS, Here's the video from our 1st sail for 2015.  It was honkin' 18-22 steady 
> knots with gusts pushing 29-30.  Sunny, mid 50's, and gorgeous.  We hit 8.4 
> knots with a conservative 2 reefs on the main and the jib furled down to 
> about 110 %
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daABRxXtcJc 
> 
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List PVC plumbing fittings source

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I broke one of those gray connectors a couple summers ago while I was
wrestling the new exhaust hose in. I was in a really tight spot as I had
family and friends coming from out of state and to sail the next day.  With
no time for alternatives I needed the exact part and by a small miracle
the local Ace hardware guy had a pretty good assortment of it so I bought
him out of all the fittings that looked like they could be used on my boat.

The guy helping me told a similar story and also said that the stuff is no
longer up to building code in GA so it's getting harder to find.  On the
other hand it was widely used for a number of years so I guess there's
enough demand to keep making replacements parts..

As mentioned before www.plumbingsupply.com/polyb.htm has it,  You can
always check the local guys, you might get lucky.

Regards,

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Cumming, GA



"I  am having difficulty finding a source for the press/nipple fitting  on
the gray semi rigid PVC plumbing for our water system  on our 89 30-2. One
of the fitting s has been weeping a bit at the Raritan 6 gallon hot water
tank I replaced recently. I suspect they are not intended to be reused or
it was deformed by over torquing by amateur marine plumbers such as myself.
Any leads? Has everyone moved on to PE and quick connect fittings?

I don't have a good photo except of the old heater before I removed it. The
image is looking down onto the heater with the water supply on the right.
The broken coupling was someone else's doing but was water tight.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwhcX19YaPJ8ZmlnVkEzTTVySXM/edit?usp=docslist_api


Thanks again."


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Re: Stus-List Voltage Regulators

[Don Newman via CnC-List]

I installed an Electromaax solution last year and received first class service 
and an excellent product. 

Don Newman
905 547 1750

> On Jan 26, 2015, at 17:00, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> If the company you are taking to is Electromaax Canada and you end up pleased 
> with the final product, how about letting us know?  And if it isn't 
> Electromaax Canada but you are still pleased with the result, we'd like to 
> know that too.
> 
> Ken H.
> 
>> On 26 January 2015 at 17:07, D Harben via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Wal,
>>I am talking to a company in Ontario Canada about a charging solution. I 
>> run an essential CPAP for life threatening APNEA so ... cruising with an 
>> assured charging solution is imperative in order to run while on the hook 
>> for a week.
>> 
>>   Yes, I have bought a used windmill and I am working out solar however 
>> ...
>> 
>> This engine charging solution turns my Yanmar into a genset with an 
>> alternator regulator that can automatically change/control  the alternator 
>> loading from a 35A to 180A so that charging is quicker and does not coke up 
>> the engine when on the hook, yet it can can downsize the alternator load on 
>> the engine when motoring.
>> 
>> This involves changing the belt and pulley, alternator, 2 regulator black 
>> boxes, sensors and control panel.
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> > On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, my Xantrex 'Ideal Regulator Output Module' that is managed by my 
>> > Link 2000R died.  No big deal, as I had a spare and am back up and 
>> > running.  Hopefully this one will also last ten years and 1500 hours or 
>> > more. But I need to think about getting a new spare, and wonder which one.
>> >
>> > At this point, I'm justlooking for a standalone regulator.  But I really 
>> > liked the ability of the Xantrex/2000R to limit alternator output to 80 
>> > percent of maximum to reduce wear andtear and overheating.  I also would 
>> > like one with a temperature sensor.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?  No rush, I have stuff forwarded down once a year, and 
>> > amjust working on my list.
>> >
>> > Wal
>> >
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>> > www.wbryant.com
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Re: Stus-List Cunningham

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Try a bolt.  Maybe over drill the hole and up size the bolt.  A nylock wing
nut and washers.  Drill a small hole in the end of the thread to accept a
split ring just in case the wing nut backs off.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
On Jan 26, 2015 10:56 PM, "Brent Driedger via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I use my Cunningham when I reef to reduce pressure on the double hook
> thing above the gooseneck.
> That being said, I don't think my double hook thing (tack hook) has ever
> been properly installed since I've owned the boat. It's a stainless rod
> that becomes the hinge pin of the gooseneck and has a very small hole
> through it at the bottom where I place a small washer and split pin to hold
> it in place.  Without the Cunningham in place the upward tension on the
> luff of the main places a lot of load on this little pin and I have had one
> break while reefed after forgetting the Cunningham. This resulted in
> gooseneck separation which killed my race as fitting it all back together
> in 25 knots with a boom kicker is nearly impossible without taking
> everything apart.
> What is the proper configuration of this little double hook thing (tack
> hook)? Is there something better than a split pin for this?
>
> Brent D
> 27-5
> Lake Winnipeg.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> FWIW,  I agree with Antoine's description of using the Cunningham and
> Flattening Reef.
> These tweaks are used similarly on all mainsails, from dinghies to bigger
> keel boats.
>
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
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> *From: *"Antoine Rose via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"David Paine" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:44:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Cunningham
>
> Hi David,
>
> To answer your question, we need to go back a bit to the origin the
> cunningham. Well, the main sail is up and properly tensioned, which mean
> that the halyard point is close to the mast top block to use the full
> length of your mast. Wind is light, not too much tension is needed on the
> halyard. As wind increases, more is needed. Eventually, the halyard is
> fully tensioned but the wind still get a bit stronger, but not enough to
> reef and, since you're racing you don't want to give any water to that boat
> just beside yours. As the wind increases, the sail draft moves back,
> increasing heeling and reducing speed. Tensioning the cunningham does just
> that, bringing the draft forward for two reasons: it increases the
> tensioning but also, because the cunningham grommet is slightly aft of the
> sail, pull forward the main foot.
>
> Having the grommet has another advantage. If you have a corresponding
> grommet on the leach side, you can take a six inch reef (sorry, don't how
> it's called in English, "ris de fond" in French). This very small reef does
> not reduce substantially the size of the sail but removes much of the
> draft. A flatter main points higher and reduce heeling.
>
> Antoine (C&C 30 Cousin)
>
> Le 2015-01-25 à 18:32, David Paine via CnC-List a écrit :
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm buying a new mainsail and I am going to ask a ridiculous-sounding
> question.   Do you have a Cunningham grommet in your mainsail?   I do not
> in my current sail but that is because Hood made the sail with a jack line
> (or lace line) which serves the purpose.  My new sail definitely won't have
> a jack-line.  Some adjust luff tension with the halyard, others use a
> separate Cunningham grommet with a many part tackle (or lead the Cunningham
> line to a winch) to set the luff tension.  My sailmaker has an opinion but
> my question is, which do you use?  The Cunningham is useless when reefed,
> of course.
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Stus-List "Blizzard of 2015" and weather

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Love the way the media labels storms.

Seriously, hope every one is doing well in the snow, wind and cold.

I'm actually on Day 12 of about 30 days out west skiing.  Currently in
Jackson Hole.  11F this morning but rain (yup, rain) in forecast for this
afternoon.  Then 3-5 inches snow overnight.  Wouldn't mind the New England
snowfall here. Thaw/freeze cycles are screwing up the snow for skiing.

Dennis C.
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Mandeville, LA
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Ah those rich folk in their 1990s 36' yachts, how the other half live ;)

Paul
1974 27Mk2


- Original Message -
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
To: Brent Driedger 
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 07:00:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: Stus-List Lavish C&C's



 You're probably right  Like you I have no idea what it's really worth.
 Looks like a mostly custom job,  someone spent some serious coin having it
 built..  As for the interior and the bar yeah, you'd have to pay attention
 not to trip into the stools in an angry sea but for the 'Power Brokers"
 champagne and umbrella drink parties that's the ticket. LOL

 Nice to see how the other half lives..

 -Francois
 1990 34+ "Take five"
 Lake Lanier, GA




From:   Brent Driedger 
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS,
"cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Date:   01/26/2015 10:40 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Lavish C&C's



She's a pretty boat but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then again
once we leave the 100k barrier on a 26 year old boat, I'm really out of
touch with what costs are.
She looks more suited for entertaining at the harbour then thrashing about
in the ocean.

Brent D
C&C 27-v
Lake Winnipeg.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Did you see the 1989 57 in Seebrook, TX?

For only 325K, you get a 57 complete with a bar that includes 3
permanent bar stools. See here:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/C%26C-57-2752865/Seabrook/TX/United-States#.VMbb5P54rg4


When your sailin' yacht is sporting an actual bar with stools
you know you're a "Playah"  :-)   It takes the "Ultimate Man
Cave" idea to a whole new level.

PS, Here's the video from our 1st sail for 2015.  It was
honkin' 18-22 steady knots with gusts pushing 29-30.  Sunny,
mid 50's, and gorgeous.  We hit 8.4 knots with a conservative 2
reefs on the main and the jib furled down to about 110 %


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daABRxXtcJc

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Stus-List Used Sails sources recommendations

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

After our 25-30 knot wind adventure I had a couple tears in my furling 135
genoa (I had it down to about 100) it's at the loft for repairs and my guy
is telling me I really need a 'Heavy Weather' working jib of some sort to
handle this 25-30 knots stuff.

 Since those higher winds days are rather infrequent on the lake I don't
 really want to spend a lot of money on a new working jib. (Although I
 might get a new 135)  Do you guys have recommendations for good sources on
 used sails?  I would think a 10oz heavy Dacron 100 of some description
 would do fine.

 I'm told that Bacon sails in Annapolis is a great place to start, any
 other suggestions?

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ "Take Five"
 Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List "Blizzard of 2015" and weather

[Dan Utinske via CnC-List]

It was in mid-60s this weekend in the Pacific North West both days this
past weekend.. some great sailing with 10 - 15KTS SW winds.   Wonderful
being on the water!

Dan
26' C&C

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Love the way the media labels storms.
>
> Seriously, hope every one is doing well in the snow, wind and cold.
>
> I'm actually on Day 12 of about 30 days out west skiing.  Currently in
> Jackson Hole.  11F this morning but rain (yup, rain) in forecast for this
> afternoon.  Then 3-5 inches snow overnight.  Wouldn't mind the New England
> snowfall here. Thaw/freeze cycles are screwing up the snow for skiing.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Used Sails sources recommendations

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

Bacon Sails http://www.baconsails.com/ bought a spinnaker a couple years,
was as described.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>After our 25-30 knot wind adventure I had a couple tears in my furling
>135 genoa (I had it down to about 100) it's at the loft for repairs and my
>guy is telling me I really need a 'Heavy Weather' working jib of some sort
>to handle this 25-30 knots stuff.
>
>Since those higher winds days are rather infrequent on the lake I
>don't really want to spend a lot of money on a new working jib. (Although I
>might get a new 135)  Do you guys have recommendations for good sources on
>used sails?  I would think a 10oz heavy Dacron 100 of some description
>would do fine.
>
>I'm told that Bacon sails in Annapolis is a great place to start, any
>other suggestions?
>
>-Francois Rivard
>1990 34+ "Take Five"
>Lake Lanier, GA
>
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On the value of these boats, not sure if this sheds any light, but it is an
interesting story.

In 2012 there was an older C&C 61 custom ketch on a mooring owned by a boat
yard upriver from our club on the Hudson River. The ask was ~$350k. The
owner was an eldery gentleman and access to the boat was via dinghy. In a
tragic accident the owner died when transferring from boat to dinghy.

The boat was subject to a severe price drop and was listed at $189k. Not
sure what was actually paid, but the boat "sold" pretty quickly. I am not
sure if the new owner fully closed or took possession of the boat, but this
all transpired in October. The boat was still in the water when Sandy hit
and wound up on the rocks.

The boat was offered for Salvage, but I am not sure what happened to it
after that. I hope it was saved. It was a beautiful boat that had a really
sad story.

Eric Baumes
34/36+MOD
Nyack NY

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>You're probably right  Like you I have no idea what it's really
>worth. Looks like a mostly custom job,  someone spent some serious coin
>having it built..  As for the interior and the bar yeah, you'd have to pay
>attention not to trip into the stools in an angry sea but for the 'Power
>Brokers" champagne and umbrella drink parties that's the ticket. LOL
>
>Nice to see how the other half lives..
>
>-Francois
>1990 34+ "Take five"
>Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
> [image: Inactive hide details for Brent Driedger ---01/26/2015 10:40:37
> PM---She's a pretty boat but seems a little pricey. It's no Swa]Brent
> Driedger ---01/26/2015 10:40:37 PM---She's a pretty boat but seems a little
> pricey. It's no Swan. But then again once we leave the 100k b
>
> From: Brent Driedger 
> To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 01/26/2015 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Lavish C&C's
> --
>
>
>
> She's a pretty boat but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then
> again once we leave the 100k barrier on a 26 year old boat, I'm really out
> of touch with what costs are.
> She looks more suited for entertaining at the harbour then thrashing about
> in the ocean.
>
> Brent D
> C&C 27-v
> Lake Winnipeg.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
> *cnc-list@cnc-list.com* > wrote:
>
>
>Did you see the 1989 57 in Seebrook, TX?
>
>For only 325K, you get a 57 complete with a bar that includes 3
>permanent bar stools. See here:
>
> *http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/C%26C-57-2752865/Seabrook/TX/United-States#.VMbb5P54rg4*
>
> 
>
>When your sailin' yacht is sporting an actual bar with stools you know
>you're a "Playah"  :-)   It takes the "Ultimate Man Cave" idea to a whole
>new level.
>
>PS, Here's the video from our 1st sail for 2015.  It was honkin' 18-22
>steady knots with gusts pushing 29-30.  Sunny, mid 50's, and gorgeous.  We
>hit 8.4 knots with a conservative 2 reefs on the main and the jib furled
>down to about 110 %
>
>
>*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daABRxXtcJc*
>
>
>   -Francois
>   1990 34+ "Take Five"
>   Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Cunningham

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

 ‎I'm sitting here in a bar on the dock in Jolly Harbour, Antigua. The boat we’re sailing doesn't have one and I must admit I didn't miss it - you can work around it and the sailing priorities are different. But I have one on the 26 and I have a jack line.I wouldn't be without it! I use it all the time to bring the draft forward without cupping the leech. If you're racing, it allows the draft to be brought forward without going above the black line.That's all - I need another gin and tonic.Sam :-)

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Re: Stus-List Cunningham / reefing?

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Good sailmakers will suggest a dogbone, a strip 
of wbbing with an O-ring on each end through the 
reef grommet or ring.  They might sew one side 
for you and have you hand stitch the other ring 
on.  It's MUCH easier to get that ring on your 
hook.  Or you can use a cunningham with a hook 
like this, 
http://www.atlanticriggingsupply.com/wi2snho.html 
to pull it down with.  Course we are so poor, I 
just take a scrap line down under the gooseneck 
and around the front of the mast an quickly tie 
it down and raise the halyard.  What ever works. 
. .




I use my Cunningham when I reef to reduce 
pressure on the double hook thing above the 
gooseneck.
That being said, I don't think my double hook 
thing (tack hook) has ever been properly 
installed since I've owned the boat. It's a 
stainless rod that becomes the hinge pin of the 
gooseneck and has a very small hole through it 
at the bottom where I place a small washer and 
split pin to hold it in place.  Without the 
Cunningham in place the upward tension on the 
luff of the main places a lot of load on this 
little pin and I have had one break while reefed 
after forgetting the Cunningham. This resulted 
in gooseneck separation which killed my race as 
fitting it all back together in 25 knots with a 
boom kicker is nearly impossible without taking 
everything apart.
What is the proper configuration of this little 
double hook thing (tack hook)? Is there 
something better than a split pin for this?


Brent D
27-5
Lake Winnipeg.



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Chuck S via 
CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:


FWIW,  I agree with Antoine's description of 
using the Cunningham and Flattening Reef.
These tweaks are used similarly on all 
mainsails, from dinghies to bigger keel boats. 





Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md



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To: "David Paine" 
<paineda...@gmail.com>, 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cunningham


Hi David,


To answer your question, we need to go back a 
bit to the origin the cunningham. Well, the 
main sail is up and properly tensioned, which 
mean that the halyard point is close to the 
mast top block to use the full length of your 
mast. Wind is light, not too much tension is 
needed on the halyard. As wind increases, more 
is needed. Eventually, the halyard is fully 
tensioned but the wind still get a bit 
stronger, but not enough to reef and, since 
you're racing you don't want to give any water 
to that boat just beside yours. As the wind 
increases, the sail draft moves back, 
increasing heeling and reducing speed. 
Tensioning the cunningham does just that, 
bringing the draft forward for two reasons: it 
increases the tensioning but also, because the 
cunningham grommet is slightly aft of the sail, 
pull forward the main foot.



Having the grommet has another advantage. If 
you have a corresponding grommet on the leach 
side, you can take a six inch reef (sorry, 
don't how it's called in English, "ris de fond" 
in French). This very small reef does not 
reduce substantially the size of the sail but 
removes much of the draft. A flatter main 
points higher and reduce heeling.



Antoine (C&C 30 Cousin)


Le 2015-01-25 à 18:32, David Paine via CnC-List a écrit :


 > Hi All,


 I'm buying a new mainsail and I am going to 
ask a ridiculous-sounding question.   Do you 
have a Cunningham grommet in your mainsail? 
I do not in my current sail but that is 
because Hood made the sail with a jack line 
(or lace line) which serves the purpose.  My 
new sail definitely won't have a jack-line. 
Some adjust luff tension with the halyard, 
others use a separate Cunningham grommet with 
a many part tackle (or lead the Cunningham 
line to a winch) to set the luff tension.  My 
sailmaker has an opinion but my question is, 
which do you use?  The Cunningham is useless 
when reefed, of course.

 >

 Cheers,

 David
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Re: Stus-List Cunningham / reefing?

[davidrisch75 via CnC-List]

Poor or not...I run aline from mast collar thru cringle then to 4 to 1 
purchase.  Works like a charm.


David F. Risch.

Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device.

 Original message From: Lee Youngblood via 
CnC-List  Date:01/27/2015  5:52 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: Brent Driedger , 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cunningham / reefing? 


Good sailmakers will suggest a dogbone, a strip
of wbbing with an O-ring on each end through the
reef grommet or ring.  They might sew one side
for you and have you hand stitch the other ring
on.  It's MUCH easier to get that ring on your
hook.  Or you can use a cunningham with a hook
like this,
http://www.atlanticriggingsupply.com/wi2snho.html
to pull it down with.  Course we are so poor, I
just take a scrap line down under the gooseneck
and around the front of the mast an quickly tie
it down and raise the halyard.  What ever works.
. .



>I use my Cunningham when I reef to reduce
>pressure on the double hook thing above the
>gooseneck.
>That being said, I don't think my double hook
>thing (tack hook) has ever been properly
>installed since I've owned the boat. It's a
>stainless rod that becomes the hinge pin of the
>gooseneck and has a very small hole through it
>at the bottom where I place a small washer and
>split pin to hold it in place.  Without the
>Cunningham in place the upward tension on the
>luff of the main places a lot of load on this
>little pin and I have had one break while reefed
>after forgetting the Cunningham. This resulted
>in gooseneck separation which killed my race as
>fitting it all back together in 25 knots with a
>boom kicker is nearly impossible without taking
>everything apart.
>What is the proper configuration of this little
>double hook thing (tack hook)? Is there
>something better than a split pin for this?
>
>Brent D
>27-5
>Lake Winnipeg.
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Chuck S via
>CnC-List
><cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>wrote:
>
>>FWIW,  I agree with Antoine's description of
>>using the Cunningham and Flattening Reef.
>>These tweaks are used similarly on all
>>mainsails, from dinghies to bigger keel boats.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Chuck
>>Resolute
>>1990 C&C 34R
>>Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>>
>>
>>
>>From: "Antoine Rose via CnC-List"
>><cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>>To: "David Paine"
>><paineda...@gmail.com>,
>>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:44:33 PM
>>Subject: Re: Stus-List Cunningham
>>
>>
>>Hi David,
>>
>>
>>To answer your question, we need to go back a
>>bit to the origin the cunningham. Well, the
>>main sail is up and properly tensioned, which
>>mean that the halyard point is close to the
>>mast top block to use the full length of your
>>mast. Wind is light, not too much tension is
>>needed on the halyard. As wind increases, more
>>is needed. Eventually, the halyard is fully
>>tensioned but the wind still get a bit
>>stronger, but not enough to reef and, since
>>you're racing you don't want to give any water
>>to that boat just beside yours. As the wind
>>increases, the sail draft moves back,
>>increasing heeling and reducing speed.
>>Tensioning the cunningham does just that,
>>bringing the draft forward for two reasons: it
>>increases the tensioning but also, because the
>>cunningham grommet is slightly aft of the sail,
>>pull forward the main foot.
>>
>>
>>Having the grommet has another advantage. If
>>you have a corresponding grommet on the leach
>>side, you can take a six inch reef (sorry,
>>don't how it's called in English, "ris de fond"
>>in French). This very small reef does not
>>reduce substantially the size of the sail but
>>removes much of the draft. A flatter main
>>points higher and reduce heeling.
>>
>>
>>Antoine (C&C 30 Cousin)
>>
>>
>>Le 2015-01-25 à 18:32, David Paine via CnC-List a écrit :
>>
>>
>>  > Hi All,
>>>
>>>  I'm buying a new mainsail and I am going to
>>>ask a ridiculous-sounding question.   Do you
>>>have a Cunningham grommet in your mainsail?
>>>I do not in my current sail but that is
>>>because Hood made the sail with a jack line
>>>(or lace line) which serves the purpose.  My
>>>new sail definitely won't have a jack-line.
>>> Some adjust luff tension with the halyard,
>>>others use a separate Cunningham grommet with
>>>a many part tackle (or lead the Cunningham
>>>line to a winch) to set the luff tension.  My
>>>sailmaker has an opinion but my question is,
>>>which do you use?  The Cunningham is useless
>>>when reefed, of course.
>>  >
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>  David
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[John Pennie via CnC-List]

At 61’ you would think they could find a decent place to store a dinghy!  
Always a problem and one we never solved on our “lavish” 51.  Big boat -  small 
house.

John

On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Wait a second! We have champagne and umbrella drinks all the time on 
> Peregrine. Except when we're going to windward. Everybody puts umbrellas in 
> their dark and stories, right?
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI 
> USA02840
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> On Jan 27, 2015, at 09:00, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>> You're probably right  Like you I have no idea what it's really worth. 
>> Looks like a mostly custom job,  someone spent some serious coin having it 
>> built..  As for the interior and the bar yeah, you'd have to pay attention 
>> not to trip into the stools in an angry sea but for the 'Power Brokers" 
>> champagne and umbrella drink parties that's the ticket. LOL 
>> 
>> Nice to see how the other half lives..
>> 
>> -Francois
>> 1990 34+ "Take five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA
>> 
>> Brent Driedger ---01/26/2015 10:40:37 PM---She's a pretty boat 
>> but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then again once we leave the 
>> 100k b
>> 
>> From:Brent Driedger 
>> To:  Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> 
>> Date:01/26/2015 10:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Lavish C&C's
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> She's a pretty boat but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then again 
>> once we leave the 100k barrier on a 26 year old boat, I'm really out of 
>> touch with what costs are. 
>> She looks more suited for entertaining at the harbour then thrashing about 
>> in the ocean. 
>> 
>> Brent D
>> C&C 27-v
>> Lake Winnipeg. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you see the 1989 57 in Seebrook, TX?  
>> 
>> For only 325K, you get a 57 complete with a bar that includes 3 permanent 
>> bar stools. See here:  
>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/C%26C-57-2752865/Seabrook/TX/United-States#.VMbb5P54rg4
>> 
>> When your sailin' yacht is sporting an actual bar with stools you know 
>> you're a "Playah"  :-)   It takes the "Ultimate Man Cave" idea to a whole 
>> new level.  
>> 
>> PS, Here's the video from our 1st sail for 2015.  It was honkin' 18-22 
>> steady knots with gusts pushing 29-30.  Sunny, mid 50's, and gorgeous.  We 
>> hit 8.4 knots with a conservative 2 reefs on the main and the jib furled 
>> down to about 110 %
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daABRxXtcJc 
>> 
>> -Francois
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Cunningham

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Was an interesting weekend.  One of the three 115s that took part 
has been sold and has moved away, a second is now for sale and the 
third raced very little last year




Hi Mike,

Sounds familiar!  I knew a local skipper that sailed his Cal 29 
really well.  You'd look away for second and he'd tacked over into 
the better current or wind and was way ahead - again!  He bought a 
J109, new everything, and the sail-makers sailed with him for the 
first season.  He won almost everything that year.  The second year 
he didn't buy new sails, begged for crew, and was way back in the 
pack.  I sail with him and was so surprised.  He lost track of all 
his experience, second guessed every trim and course decision, made 
dumb moves, and sweated an cursed.  No fun sailing with him at all.


I'm convinced the sail-makers & "rock stars" totally confused him.

Out last, out play. . .

Cheers, Lee


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Re: Stus-List Cunningham

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I don't have one; just the weave line.  I wish I had the cunningham since it 
makes the trim so much easier.
It's too much effort to untie the weave line on reaches, so it doesn't get 
done.  With the cunningham, it would just be a flick of the wrist to throw off 
or on.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Sun, 1/25/15, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Cunningham
 To: "David Paine" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Sunday, January 25, 2015, 8:41 PM
 
 Touche' has a 4:1
 cunningham which hooks into a grommet.  We also use the
 cunningham for the reef.
 Dennis C.
 
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 
 Mandeville, LA
 On Jan 25, 2015 4:32
 PM, "David Paine via CnC-List" 
 wrote:
 Hi All,
 I'm buying a new mainsail and I
 am going to ask a ridiculous-sounding question.   Do you
 have a Cunningham grommet in your mainsail?   I do not in
 my current sail but that is because Hood made the sail with
 a jack line (or lace line) which serves the purpose.  My
 new sail definitely won't have a jack-line.  Some
 adjust luff tension with the halyard, others use a separate
 Cunningham grommet with a many part tackle (or lead the
 Cunningham line to a winch) to set the luff tension.  My
 sailmaker has an opinion but my question is, which do you
 use?  The Cunningham is useless when reefed, of
 course.
 Cheers,
 David
 
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Re: Stus-List Cunningham

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Antoine,
We used to call that a flattening reef.  It doesn't change the sail area much 
at all, but it does effectively flatter the main as wind increases and allows 
pointing higher as you point out.
Ron
Wild Cheri


On Sun, 1/25/15, Antoine Rose via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Cunningham
 To: "David Paine" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Sunday, January 25, 2015, 10:44 PM
 
 Hi David,
 
 To answer your question, we
 need to go back a bit to the origin the cunningham. Well,
 the main sail is up and properly tensioned, which mean that
 the halyard point is close to the mast top block to use the
 full length of your mast. Wind is light, not too much
 tension is needed on the halyard. As wind increases, more is
 needed. Eventually, the halyard is fully tensioned but the
 wind still get a bit stronger, but not enough to reef and,
 since you're racing you don't want to give any water
 to that boat just beside yours. As the wind increases, the
 sail draft moves back, increasing heeling and reducing
 speed. Tensioning the cunningham does just that, bringing
 the draft forward for two reasons: it increases the
 tensioning but also, because the cunningham grommet is
 slightly aft of the sail, pull forward the main foot.
 
 Having the grommet has another
 advantage. If you have a corresponding grommet on the leach
 side, you can take a six inch reef (sorry, don't how
 it's called in English, "ris de fond" in
 French). This very small reef does not reduce substantially
 the size of the sail but removes much of the draft. A
 flatter main points higher and reduce heeling.
 
 Antoine (C&C 30 Cousin)
 
 

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Re: Stus-List Used Sails sources recommendations

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Francois,

 

Bacon is the "go to" place for used sails around here.  Good square deals.
It definitely sounds like you could use a good working jib.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

"Midnight Mistress"

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Used Sails sources recommendations

 

After our 25-30 knot wind adventure I had a couple tears in my furling 135
genoa (I had it down to about 100) it's at the loft for repairs and my guy
is telling me I really need a 'Heavy Weather' working jib of some sort to
handle this 25-30 knots stuff.  

Since those higher winds days are rather infrequent on the lake I don't
really want to spend a lot of money on a new working jib. (Although I might
get a new 135)  Do you guys have recommendations for good sources on used
sails?  I would think a 10oz heavy Dacron 100 of some description would do
fine.  

I'm told that Bacon sails in Annapolis is a great place to start, any other
suggestions? 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



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Stus-List 34 offshore

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

Happy winter everyone. 
I'm just taking a moment to appreciate vintage C&Cs and their ability to make 
dreams come true.  One of my crew purchased a 1984ish 34 CB near Toronto a 
little over a year ago, took it across the lake, through the canals to the ICW, 
wintered in Florida and this season successful began exploring the Bahamas.  
His spot is showing him just outside of Nassau and with his adventurous spirit, 
who knows where he'll end up next. He's sailing more or less solo choosing to 
tag along with someone going that way for safety. 
Anyone else on the list with the CB version do any offshore cruising? I'm 
curious on how they handle a big sea. 

Cheers
Brent Driedger
27-5
Lake Winnipeg. 

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