Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Bill

1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does
come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it
can move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the
source of the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in
from below it should show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge
with water and it should leak out and maybe let you know where the source
of the leak is...grind that area out both sides at the keel hull joint and
dry well...then squeeze in some polyurethane sealant , let that cure
well...cover with epoxy putty and finally with resin soaked chopped strand
glass matt...what you describe does not sound that serious to me so I don't
think you would need to do a major repair...but if you have the extra cash
separate the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally did on his Landfall
38...that job was probably better than when it came from the factory

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow -
> about 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the
> influx might be more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has
> been some contact between the keel ad something hard in its past life but
> not too sure how hard and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the
> keel structure as it is very strong but in the sump area between the bolts.
> I doubt the cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks are
> probably from the C&C smile to the hull-keel interface.
>
> I am bobing about on a 750'x137’ drillship watching a cold front pass by -
> we are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea’s don’t look too bad from 80’
> up - maybe 10-14’. check out:
> http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA
>
> *Bill Hoyne*
> Mithrandir
> ’74 C&C35 MkII
> in Victoria,BC
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile.
> Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned.
> After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts to 300
> ft. lbs and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers cloth another matt
> and final layer of cloth using  West System. Each layer was a bit wider
> starting at 1 in.and ending around 5 in..Inter protect in spring as weather
> is now going downhill.
> Will know if it works after haul out next year.
> Minimal cost so worth the try.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:00 PM,  wrote:
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>> I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that
>> strangely enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past summer.
>> The PO had told me about a hard grounding.
>>
>> I got it surveyed this fall after haul-out by a surveyor with lots of C&C
>> experience. Turns out I have hidden grounding damage.  I re-launched on
>> Friday and sailed over to Bristol Marine in Port Credit on Sunday. Will be
>> $$.
>>
>> At least I had a great sail yesterday...I had all Lake Ontario to myself.
>>
>> Mike
>> Atacama CnC 33
>> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
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>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts
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>> Yes - having cracks th

Stus-List Happy Thanksgiving

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Just wanted to take a moment to wish you, your families, and your crews 
a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday. 

I cannot express enough how thankful I am to Stu for creating the list 
and how thankful I am to the contributors that keep it all going. 

Aside from the information and advice that has guided me in some of the 
projects I have undertaken on board the Enterprise, the camaraderie and 
friendships that have grown from being on this list and attending the group 
events has been of tremendous value to me. 

Hope you have a great holiday, and don’t be too hard on yourself while 
you’re loading your plate with another helping of sweet potatoes and stuffing — 
sometimes we all wish there was a little more weight on the rail. 


All the best,

Edd


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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

If it rains I get MORE than ½ cup per day. I suspect you have cracks in the 
interior gelcoat and water getting in around the keel bolts, rain, stuffing box 
leakage, and other random sources of water. Tightening the keel bolts next time 
the boat is out of the water is easy enough. If you actually have a crack 
THROUGH the hull in the keel sump area, this is a pretty major issue. I am 
guessing you do not.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight 
veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:13 AM
To: Bill Hoyne; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts

Bill
1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does come 
down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it can move 
slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the source of the 1/2 
cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in from below it should 
show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge with water and it should 
leak out and maybe let you know where the source of the leak is...grind that 
area out both sides at the keel hull joint and dry well...then squeeze in some 
polyurethane sealant , let that cure well...cover with epoxy putty and finally 
with resin soaked chopped strand glass matt...what you describe does not sound 
that serious to me so I don't think you would need to do a major repair...but 
if you have the extra cash separate the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally 
did on his Landfall 38...that job was probably better than when it came from 
the factory

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow - about 1/2 
cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the influx might be 
more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has been some contact 
between the keel ad something hard in its past life but not too sure how hard 
and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel structure as it is 
very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I doubt the cracks extend 
directly to the outside hull. The leaks are probably from the C&C smile to the 
hull-keel interface.

I am bobing about on a 750'x137’ drillship watching a cold front pass by - we 
are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea’s don’t look too bad from 80’ up - 
maybe 10-14’. check out: 
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA

Bill Hoyne
Mithrandir
’74 C&C35 MkII
in Victoria,BC




On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile.
Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned.
After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts to 300 ft. lbs 
and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers cloth another matt and final 
layer of cloth using  West System. Each layer was a bit wider starting at 1 
in.and ending around 5 in..Inter protect in spring as weather is now going 
downhill.
Will know if it works after haul out next year.
Minimal cost so worth the try.



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Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts
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I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that strangely 
enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past

Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

Keel seepage would concern me particularly in salt water. Not just the 
annoyance factor but the thought of anaerobic corrosion of the stainless keel 
bolts.  If this has been going on for some time I'd be inclined to drop the 
keel, inspect the bolts and do a Wally style re-bed.  It's expensive and I may 
be over thinking this but the peace of mind it would bring while offshore in 45 
knots may be worth it.

Cheers
Brent Driedger
27-5
Lake Winnipeg 

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> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Glad your trip was yesterday.
> 
> Forecast today is for 70 km/hr winds with gusts to 100 along the shore.
> Docking would have been interesting to say the least.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:12:03 + 
> From: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts 
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>  
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" 
> 
> I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that 
> strangely enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past summer. The 
> PO had told me about a hard grounding. 
> 
> I got it surveyed this fall after haul-out by a surveyor with lots of C&C 
> experience. Turns out I have hidden grounding damage.  I re-launched on 
> Friday and sailed over to Bristol Marine in Port Credit on Sunday. Will be 
> $$. 
> 
> At least I had a great sail yesterday...I had all Lake Ontario to myself. 
> 
> Mike 
> Atacama CnC 33 
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Stus-List keel bolts

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Dwight:

In Bill's first post on this issue, he said "there was no seepage around 
the bolts. However there are some cracks in the sump area between the 
keel bolts and these are seeping water at about 100ml/day"


He is not talking about rain water coming down the mast every day.   He 
said "there are cracks in the sump area between the keel bolts that are 
seeping water",  That to me is an entirely different issue.


Torquing the keel bolts and sealing the C&C smile is always a good plan 
but if I were Bill, I would want to know more about the 'cracks in the 
sump between the keel bolts that are seeping water'.


Keel bolts leaking water is one thing, cracks in the sump between the 
keel bolts leaking water is an entirely different issue. Think about it!


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 -84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2014/11/26 9:13 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List wrote:

Bill

1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water 
does come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast 
step...it can move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that 
is not the source of the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with 
water getting in from below it should show up when the boat is on the 
hard...fill the bilge with water and it should leak out and maybe let 
you know where the source of the leak is...grind that area out both 
sides at the keel hull joint and dry well...then squeeze in some 
polyurethane sealant , let that cure well...cover with epoxy putty and 
finally with resin soaked chopped strand glass matt...what you 
describe does not sound that serious to me so I don't think you would 
need to do a major repair...but if you have the extra cash separate 
the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally did on his Landfall 
38...that job was probably better than when it came from the factory


Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, */Alianna/*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net 


On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was
slow - about 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock,
sailing hard the influx might be more, i will check when I go out
next. I think there has been some contact between the keel ad
something hard in its past life but not too sure how hard and what
repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel structure as it
is very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I doubt the
cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks are probably
from the C&C smile to the hull-keel interface.

I am bobing about on a 750'x137' drillship watching a cold front
pass by - we are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea's don't look
too bad from 80' up - maybe 10-14'. check out:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA

/Bill Hoyne/
Mithrandir
'74 C&C35 MkII
in Victoria,BC





On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile.
Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned.
After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts
to 300 ft. lbs and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers
cloth another matt and final layer of cloth using  West System.
Each layer was a bit wider starting at 1 in.and ending around 5
in..Inter protect in spring as weather is now going downhill.
Will know if it works after haul out next year.
Minimal cost so worth the try.


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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

That's exactly why I got my boat checked by a surveyor with lots of CnC 
experience once I realized fixing my bilge leak wasn't just a matter of 
tightening the keel bolts. He figured that the starboard side of the keel stub 
had delaminated from the internal filler.

Mike
Atacama CnC 33 Mk ii
Toronto


 
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:26:07 
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Stus-List Engine Seacock for a C&C 44 1987

[Bill McNeese via CnC-List]

Does anyone know the manufacture of the Main Engine supply seacock on a 1987
C&C 44, and it's dimension?

Bill McNeese

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Re: Stus-List Happy Thanksgiving

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Edd,

Well said!

Happy Thanksgiving to those of us south of the Border!

Joel

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
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> Listers,
>
> Just wanted to take a moment to wish you, your families, and your crews a
> wonderful Thanksgiving holiday.
>
> I cannot express enough how thankful I am to Stu for creating the list and
> how thankful I am to the contributors that keep it all going.
>
> Aside from the information and advice that has guided me in some of the
> projects I have undertaken on board the Enterprise, the camaraderie and
> friendships that have grown from being on this list and attending the group
> events has been of tremendous value to me.
>
> Hope you have a great holiday, and don’t be too hard on yourself while
> you’re loading your plate with another helping of sweet potatoes and
> stuffing — sometimes we all wish there was a little more weight on the
> rail.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
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> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

Thanks for the info, when I am on the hard next I will try this.
I am certain is it coming from the small cracks from visual observations. 
I wonder if Wally would like to leave the sunny south and make a trip up to the 
frozen north for a little hull repair work ;-)
Cheers,
Bill

> On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:13 AM, dwight veinot  wrote:
> 
> Bill
> 
> 1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does 
> come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it can 
> move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the source of 
> the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in from below 
> it should show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge with water 
> and it should leak out and maybe let you know where the source of the leak 
> is...grind that area out both sides at the keel hull joint and dry 
> well...then squeeze in some polyurethane sealant , let that cure well...cover 
> with epoxy putty and finally with resin soaked chopped strand glass 
> matt...what you describe does not sound that serious to me so I don't think 
> you would need to do a major repair...but if you have the extra cash separate 
> the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally did on his Landfall 38...that job 
> was probably better than when it came from the factory
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow - about 
> 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the influx 
> might be more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has been some 
> contact between the keel ad something hard in its past life but not too sure 
> how hard and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel structure 
> as it is very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I doubt the 
> cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks are probably from the 
> C&C smile to the hull-keel interface.
> 
> I am bobing about on a 750'x137’ drillship watching a cold front pass by - we 
> are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea’s don’t look too bad from 80’ up - 
> maybe 10-14’. check out: 
> http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA
>  
> 
> 
> Bill Hoyne
> Mithrandir
> ’74 C&C35 MkII
> in Victoria,BC
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile.
>> Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned.
>> After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts to 300 ft. 
>> lbs and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers cloth another matt and 
>> final layer of cloth using  West System. Each layer was a bit wider starting 
>> at 1 in.and ending around 5 in..Inter protect in spring as weather is now 
>> going downhill.
>> Will know if it works after haul out next year.
>> Minimal cost so worth the try.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

Hi Joe,
i watched the water come in through the small cracks in the bilge sump. I have 
a dripless shaft seal and everything else looks dry, however I do get water 
from the mast but I vacuumed that out when I cleaned the bilge. Hopefully the 
thru-hulls are OK so far so good.
Cheers,
Bill

> On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it rains I get MORE than ½ cup per day. I suspect you have cracks in the 
> interior gelcoat and water getting in around the keel bolts, rain, stuffing 
> box leakage, and other random sources of water. Tightening the keel bolts 
> next time the boat is out of the water is easy enough. If you actually have a 
> crack THROUGH the hull in the keel sump area, this is a pretty major issue. I 
> am guessing you do not.
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight 
> veinot via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:13 AM
> To: Bill Hoyne; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts
>  
> Bill
> 
> 1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does 
> come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it can 
> move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the source of 
> the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in from below 
> it should show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge with water 
> and it should leak out and maybe let you know where the source of the leak 
> is...grind that area out both sides at the keel hull joint and dry 
> well...then squeeze in some polyurethane sealant , let that cure well...cover 
> with epoxy putty and finally with resin soaked chopped strand glass 
> matt...what you describe does not sound that serious to me so I don't think 
> you would need to do a major repair...but if you have the extra cash separate 
> the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally did on his Landfall 38...that job 
> was probably better than when it came from the factory
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net 
>  
>  
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow - about 
> 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the influx 
> might be more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has been some 
> contact between the keel ad something hard in its past life but not too sure 
> how hard and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel structure 
> as it is very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I doubt the 
> cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks are probably from the 
> C&C smile to the hull-keel interface.
>  
> I am bobing about on a 750'x137’ drillship watching a cold front pass by - we 
> are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea’s don’t look too bad from 80’ up - 
> maybe 10-14’. check out: 
> http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA
>  
> 
>  
> Bill Hoyne
> Mithrandir
> ’74 C&C35 MkII
> in Victoria,BC
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List  > wrote:
>  
> Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile.
> Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned.
> After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts to 300 ft. 
> lbs and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers cloth another matt and 
> final layer of cloth using  West System. Each layer was a bit wider starting 
> at 1 in.and ending around 5 in..Inter protect in spring as weather is now 
> going downhill.
> Will know if it works after haul out next year.
> Minimal cost so worth the try.
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

Yes!! this is why i am asking. So far the keel bolts look good i.e. no water 
leaking around them. 
Sailing on the peg has got to be about as close to offshore as you can get!! 
+40 and -40 !!
Cheers,
Bill

> On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Keel seepage would concern me particularly in salt water. Not just the 
> annoyance factor but the thought of anaerobic corrosion of the stainless keel 
> bolts.  If this has been going on for some time I'd be inclined to drop the 
> keel, inspect the bolts and do a Wally style re-bed.  It's expensive and I 
> may be over thinking this but the peace of mind it would bring while offshore 
> in 45 knots may be worth it.
> 
> Cheers
> Brent Driedger
> 27-5
> Lake Winnipeg 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Glad your trip was yesterday.
>> 
>> Forecast today is for 70 km/hr winds with gusts to 100 along the shore.
>> Docking would have been interesting to say the least.
>> 
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C&C 30-1
>> 
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:12:03 + 
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>> I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that 
>> strangely enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past summer. 
>> The PO had told me about a hard grounding. 
>> 
>> I got it surveyed this fall after haul-out by a surveyor with lots of C&C 
>> experience. Turns out I have hidden grounding damage.  I re-launched on 
>> Friday and sailed over to Bristol Marine in Port Credit on Sunday. Will be 
>> $$. 
>> 
>> At least I had a great sail yesterday...I had all Lake Ontario to myself. 
>> 
>> Mike 
>> Atacama CnC 33 
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Stus-List keel bolts

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Bill:

You will get different advice on this issue, as you have noticed.

I am no expert, but:
1.  there should not be cracks in the bilge sump between the keel bolts, 
and
2.  if there are cracks there, and you are quite confident that they are 
leaking water, get it checked out by a knowledgeable person.


Years back (1991), a friend bought a 1985 C&C 33 MKII in near new 
condition.  That Spring we were removing the antifouling paint and 
discovered a hairline crack around the front of the keel on the keel 
stub, not the keel joint where we experience the C&C smile between the 
keel stub and the keel.  Question now was, it is just a surface crack?  
How deep did it go into the hull?


Owner hired a guy to address the issue.   He ground out the crack and it 
almost went through the entire hull before he reached dry 
material.it was seriously deep  The previous owner had a hard 
grounding during Chester Race Week and did not tell my friend about it 
when he sold the boat.  It was a significant crack and we were glad we 
found it and addressed it before we took the boat to Boston that Summer 
to do the Marblehead Race.


Your call, but I would have someone experienced in these matters put my 
mind at rest.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.






On 2014/11/26 12:55 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List wrote:

Thanks for the info, when I am on the hard next I will try this.
I am certain is it coming from the small cracks from visual observations.
I wonder if Wally would like to leave the sunny south and make a trip 
up to the frozen north for a little hull repair work ;-)

Cheers,
Bill

On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:13 AM, dwight veinot > wrote:


Bill

1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water 
does come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast 
step...it can move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that 
is not the source of the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with 
water getting in from below it should show up when the boat is on the 
hard...fill the bilge with water and it should leak out and maybe let 
you know where the source of the leak is...grind that area out both 
sides at the keel hull joint and dry well...then squeeze in some 
polyurethane sealant , let that cure well...cover with epoxy putty 
and finally with resin soaked chopped strand glass matt...what you 
describe does not sound that serious to me so I don't think you would 
need to do a major repair...but if you have the extra cash separate 
the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally did on his Landfall 
38...that job was probably better than when it came from the factory


Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, */Alianna/*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net 


On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was
slow - about 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock,
sailing hard the influx might be more, i will check when I go out
next. I think there has been some contact between the keel ad
something hard in its past life but not too sure how hard and
what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel structure
as it is very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I
doubt the cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks
are probably from the C&C smile to the hull-keel interface.

I am bobing about on a 750'x137' drillship watching a cold front
pass by - we are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea's don't
look too bad from 80' up - maybe 10-14'. check out:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA

/Bill Hoyne/
Mithrandir
'74 C&C35 MkII
in Victoria,BC





On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile.
Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned.
After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts
to 300 ft. lbs and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers
cloth another matt and final layer of cloth using  West System.
Each layer was a bit wider starting at 1 in.and ending around 5
in..Inter protect in spring as weather is now going downhill.
Will know if it works after haul out next year.
Minimal cost so worth the try.


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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

If you are pretty sure the crack is actually allowing water in, you might need 
to have the keel off and do some significant work :(
I just fixed a boat with this issue, but the crack was above the keel and thus 
we had access. The MK I and MK II keel stub is a pretty strong structure, so I 
would think something would have to seriously stress that to crack it through.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:31 PM
To: Bill Hoyne; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List keel bolts

Bill:

You will get different advice on this issue, as you have noticed.

I am no expert, but:
1.  there should not be cracks in the bilge sump between the keel bolts, and
2.  if there are cracks there, and you are quite confident that they are 
leaking water, get it checked out by a knowledgeable person.

Years back (1991), a friend bought a 1985 C&C 33 MKII in near new condition.  
That Spring we were removing the antifouling paint and discovered a hairline 
crack around the front of the keel on the keel stub, not the keel joint where 
we experience the C&C smile between the keel stub and the keel.  Question now 
was, it is just a surface crack?  How deep did it go into the hull?

Owner hired a guy to address the issue.   He ground out the crack and it almost 
went through the entire hull before he reached dry material.it was 
seriously deep  The previous owner had a hard grounding during Chester Race 
Week and did not tell my friend about it when he sold the boat.  It was a 
significant crack and we were glad we found it and addressed it before we took 
the boat to Boston that Summer to do the Marblehead Race.

Your call, but I would have someone experienced in these matters put my mind at 
rest.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.






On 2014/11/26 12:55 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List wrote:
Thanks for the info, when I am on the hard next I will try this.
I am certain is it coming from the small cracks from visual observations.
I wonder if Wally would like to leave the sunny south and make a trip up to the 
frozen north for a little hull repair work ;-)
Cheers,
Bill

On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:13 AM, dwight veinot 
mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bill
1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does come 
down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it can move 
slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the source of the 1/2 
cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in from below it should 
show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge with water and it should 
leak out and maybe let you know where the source of the leak is...grind that 
area out both sides at the keel hull joint and dry well...then squeeze in some 
polyurethane sealant , let that cure well...cover with epoxy putty and finally 
with resin soaked chopped strand glass matt...what you describe does not sound 
that serious to me so I don't think you would need to do a major repair...but 
if you have the extra cash separate the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally 
did on his Landfall 38...that job was probably better than when it came from 
the factory

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow - about 1/2 
cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the influx might be 
more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has been some contact 
between the keel ad something hard in its past life but not too sure how hard 
and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel structure as it is 
very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I doubt the cracks extend 
directly to the outside hull. The leaks are probably from the C&C smile to the 
hull-keel interface.

I am bobing about on a 750'x137' drillship watching a cold front pass by - we 
are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea's don't look too bad from 80' up - 
maybe 10-14'. check out: 
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA

Bill Hoyne
Mithrandir
'74 C&C35 MkII
in Victoria,BC




On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile.
Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned.
After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts to 300 ft. lbs 
and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers cloth another matt and final 
layer of cloth using  West System. Each layer was a bit wider starting at 1 
in.and ending around 5 in..Inter protect in spring as weather is now going 
downhill.
Will know if it works after haul out 

Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Looking for recommendations for  a wet / dry vac for boat and some home.
110v is fine, but prefer something other than the huge ~16 gallon versions.
Suggestions and links are welcome. Of course…price/value is a consideration.



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Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

My previous owner grounded very hard. When I bought the boat I ground off the 
slathered on repair and found the core resin in front of the stub had 
shattered. Because it was wet and then froze the floor of the head cracked and 
heaved. 
I took the stub back to the first keel bolt and then rebuilt it all. I stared 
with a triangle of 3/4 plywood cut to fit the angle and allowed for 1-1/2" of 
build up. I then began the tedious job of glassing it, built up into gradually 
expanding layers until it was roughly the same size as the original stub. This 
allowed me to bring the glass up the bottom and sidles of the hull to give more 
strength and help with stresses from unforeseen damage. I think I put 9 yards 
of glass on her. 
Faired and finished she's strong, looks like it should and has taken the worst 
Lake Winnipeg can throw at her while racing. Here's a quick video from the 
repair 6 years ago. 
http://youtu.be/kX00wjyGM9M

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bill:
> 
> You will get different advice on this issue, as you have noticed.  
> 
> I am no expert, but:
> 1.  there should not be cracks in the bilge sump between the keel bolts, and 
> 2.  if there are cracks there, and you are quite confident that they are 
> leaking water, get it checked out by a knowledgeable person.
> 
> Years back (1991), a friend bought a 1985 C&C 33 MKII in near new condition.  
> That Spring we were removing the antifouling paint and discovered a hairline 
> crack around the front of the keel on the keel stub, not the keel joint where 
> we experience the C&C smile between the keel stub and the keel.  Question now 
> was, it is just a surface crack?  How deep did it go into the hull?
> 
> Owner hired a guy to address the issue.   He ground out the crack and it 
> almost went through the entire hull before he reached dry material.it was 
> seriously deep  The previous owner had a hard grounding during Chester Race 
> Week and did not tell my friend about it when he sold the boat.  It was a 
> significant crack and we were glad we found it and addressed it before we 
> took the boat to Boston that Summer to do the Marblehead Race.
> 
> Your call, but I would have someone experienced in these matters put my mind 
> at rest.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2014/11/26 12:55 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List wrote:
>> Thanks for the info, when I am on the hard next I will try this.
>> I am certain is it coming from the small cracks from visual observations. 
>> I wonder if Wally would like to leave the sunny south and make a trip up to 
>> the frozen north for a little hull repair work ;-)
>> Cheers,
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:13 AM, dwight veinot  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does 
>>> come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it 
>>> can move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the 
>>> source of the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in 
>>> from below it should show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge 
>>> with water and it should leak out and maybe let you know   
>>> where the source of the leak is...grind that area out both sides at the 
>>> keel hull joint and dry well...then squeeze in some polyurethane sealant , 
>>> let that cure well...cover with epoxy putty and finally with resin soaked 
>>> chopped strand glass matt...what you describe does not sound that serious 
>>> to me so I don't think you would need to do a major repair...but if you 
>>> have the extra cash separate the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally did 
>>> on his Landfall 38...that job was probably better than when it came from 
>>> the factory
>>> 
>>> Dwight Veinot
>>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow - 
 about 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the 
 influx might be more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has 
 been some contact between the keel ad something hard in its past life but 
 not too sure how hard and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in 
 the keel structure as it is very strong but in the sump area between the 
 bolts. I doubt the cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks 
 are probably from the C&C smile to the hull-keel interface.
 
 I am bobing about on a 750'x137’ drillship watching a cold front pass by - 
 we are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea’s don’t look too bad from 80’ 
 up - maybe 10-14’. check out: 
 http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/ves

Re: Stus-List keel bolts

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

good idea, she is due for a bottom job this spring so I will check carefully 
for cracks.
thx
bill

> On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Robert Abbott  wrote:
> 
> Bill:
> 
> You will get different advice on this issue, as you have noticed.  
> 
> I am no expert, but:
> 1.  there should not be cracks in the bilge sump between the keel bolts, and 
> 2.  if there are cracks there, and you are quite confident that they are 
> leaking water, get it checked out by a knowledgeable person.
> 
> Years back (1991), a friend bought a 1985 C&C 33 MKII in near new condition.  
> That Spring we were removing the antifouling paint and discovered a hairline 
> crack around the front of the keel on the keel stub, not the keel joint where 
> we experience the C&C smile between the keel stub and the keel.  Question now 
> was, it is just a surface crack?  How deep did it go into the hull?
> 
> Owner hired a guy to address the issue.   He ground out the crack and it 
> almost went through the entire hull before he reached dry material.it was 
> seriously deep  The previous owner had a hard grounding during Chester Race 
> Week and did not tell my friend about it when he sold the boat.  It was a 
> significant crack and we   were glad we found it and addressed it before 
> we took the boat to Boston that Summer to do the Marblehead Race.
> 
> Your call, but I would have someone experienced in these matters put my mind 
> at rest.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2014/11/26 12:55 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List wrote:
>> Thanks for the info, when I am on the hard next I will try this.
>> I am certain is it coming from the small cracks from visual observations. 
>> I wonder if Wally would like to leave the sunny south and make a trip up to 
>> the frozen north for a little hull repair work ;-)
>> Cheers,
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:13 AM, dwight veinot >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does 
>>> come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it 
>>> can move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the 
>>> source of the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in 
>>> from below it should show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge 
>>> with water and it should leak out and maybe let you know where the source 
>>> of the leak is...grind that area out both sides at the keel hull joint and 
>>> dry well...then squeeze in some polyurethane sealant , let that cure 
>>> well...cover with epoxy putty and finally with resin soaked chopped strand 
>>> glass matt...what you describe does not sound that serious to me so I don't 
>>> think you would need to do a major repair...but if you have the extra cash 
>>> separate the keel afrom the hull and do   like Wally did on 
>>> his Landfall 38...that job was probably better than when it came from the 
>>> factory
>>> 
>>> Dwight Veinot
>>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>> d.ve...@bellaliant.net 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow - about 
>>> 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the influx 
>>> might be more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has been some 
>>> contact between the keel ad something hard in its past life but not too 
>>> sure how hard and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel 
>>> structure as it is very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I 
>>> doubt the cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks are 
>>> probably from the C&C smile to the hull-keel interface.
>>> 
>>> I am bobing about on a 750'x137’ drillship watching a cold front pass by - 
>>> we are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea’s don’t look too bad from 80’ 
>>> up - maybe 10-14’. check out: 
>>> http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bill Hoyne
>>> Mithrandir
>>> ’74 C&C35 MkII
>>> in Victoria,BC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List 
 mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 
 Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile.
 Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned.
 After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts to 300 
 ft. lbs and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers cloth another matt 
 and final layer of cloth using  West System. Each layer was a bit wider 
 starting at 1 in.and ending around 5 in..Inter protect in spring as 
 weather is now going downhill.

Re: Stus-List Keel Bolts

[Will Harris via CnC-List]

I've been following the conversation about Keel Bolts and cracks.  While we
didn't build your boats, I do have some general advice...

Cracks -  It is easy to think that a crack indicates something is
breaking.  Really, it means that something HAS BROKEN.  A crack around the
keel is potentially very serious.  If it is just the C&C smile, not as
serious, but if you find cracks in the laminate, or the structure or any of
the tabbing, get it looked at!

They will not heal themselves, and the consequences are really, really
bad.  Addressed early, the repairs may not even be too expensive.

Torque

In some of these threads, it seems like people are going to extremes
torqing up the nuts.  My guess is that you are trying to lift the keel up
to the hull with the nuts.  Don't do that!  I don't know the exact bolts
you may have, so I can't give you exact numbers, but that information is
easy to find.

All over torquing does is increases the odds of stripping, galling or
breaking a bolt. Even if you don't cause your keel to fall off, breaking a
bolt is a huge headache.

The proper tool is the Travellift and a good operator.  To re-seat the
keel, make sure that the travellift sits the hull down flush on the keel.
The nuts are just there to keep it there.

Happy Thanksgiving

Will Harris
C&C Yachts
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Re: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

[George Cone via CnC-List]

Go to Home depot, they have a homer that fits on the top of a standard plastic 
bucket (you just but the power head part) 

, cheap, moderately powerful, use any bucket you normally have on the boat, 
good size - fits lots of places

 

George

C&C 40

 

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Subject: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

 

Looking for recommendations for  a wet / dry vac for boat and some home. 110v 
is fine, but prefer something other than the huge ~16 gallon versions. 
Suggestions and links are welcome. Of course…price/value is a consideration.

 

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Re: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Get one with a built in pump.  They are great for removing water without
having to lift a heavy / full vacuum cleaner.

~~~_/)~~


On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:57 PM, George Cone via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Go to Home depot, they have a homer that fits on the top of a standard
> plastic bucket (you just but the power head part)
>
> , cheap, moderately powerful, use any bucket you normally have on the
> boat, good size - fits lots of places
>
>
>
> George
>
> C&C 40
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin
> Driscoll via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:14 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Subject:* Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?
>
>
>
> Looking for recommendations for  a wet / dry vac for boat and some home.
> 110v is fine, but prefer something other than the huge ~16 gallon versions.
> Suggestions and links are welcome. Of course…price/value is a consideration.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

[Douglas Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Wet/Dry vac makes a nice 1gal model I use on my boat. It uses the same
filters as the large vacuums.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for  a wet / dry vac for boat and some home.
> 110v is fine, but prefer something other than the huge ~16 gallon versions.
> Suggestions and links are welcome. Of course…price/value is a consideration.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

I've had one of these on the boat for years: 




Kevin wrote:

Looking for recommendations for  a wet / dry vac for boat and some home.



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Re: Stus-List Engine Seacock for a C&C 44 1987

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I don’t know the manufacturer, but a seacock is pretty much a seacock. You
can buy a bronze one made by Groco or marlon made by Forespar. There are
other manufacturers as well. Baically you need to know either the thread
size on the thru hull, or the size of the hose connected to the seacock.

 

When I redid the engine on my 38 I wanted to change the orientation of the
hose barb on the seacock. The bronze thru hull had straight threads for a ¾”
thru hull, so I bought the corresponding ¾” Groco seacock, and a 90 degree
bronze hose barb for straight thread to ¾” hose. As someone has already
pointed out, hose barbs come with either a straight thread connection, or a
tapered pipe thread, and it is not a good idea to put tapered thread into
the straight thread of a seacock.

 

My 38, with a 36hp diesel, used a ¾” hose for cooling water intake. Your
engine might use a larger hose depending on manufacturer and size of the
engine.

 

Good Luck

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Engine Seacock for a C&C 44 1987

 

Does anyone know the manufacture of the Main Engine supply seacock on a 1987
C&C 44, and it’s dimension?

Bill McNeese

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Re: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I have several Home Despot purchased (+- $50) Rigid 5 or 6 gal shop vacs in use 
onboard during our deck restoration.  We add the extra dust bag to protect the 
filters and motor from fiberglass dust.  The oldest one is now over 2 years old 
and still running but making more noise.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

Looking for recommendations for  a wet / dry vac for boat and some home. 110v 
is fine, but prefer something other than the huge ~16 gallon versions. 
Suggestions and links are welcome. Of course…price/value is a consideration.

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Re: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

  
  
The filter bags are a little pricey,
  but completely worth it. They also make it easy to convert back
  and forth from wet to dry vac. The availability of filter bags for
  models under consideration would be a high priority for me. 
  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 11/26/2014 2:19 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I
have several Home Despot purchased (+- $50) Rigid 5 or 6 gal
shop vacs in use onboard during our deck restoration.  We
add the extra dust bag to protect the filters and motor from
fiberglass dust.  The oldest one is now over 2 years old and
still running but making more noise.
 
Martin
Calypso
1971
C&C 43
Seattle

  


  


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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolts

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

Thanks for the advice:

> On Nov 26, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Will Harris via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've been following the conversation about Keel Bolts and cracks.  While we 
> didn't build your boats, I do have some general advice...
> 
> Cracks -  It is easy to think that a crack indicates something is breaking.  
> Really, it means that something HAS BROKEN.  A crack around the keel is 
> potentially very serious.  If it is just the C&C smile, not as serious, but 
> if you find cracks in the laminate, or the structure or any of the tabbing, 
> get it looked at!
> 
> They will not heal themselves, and the consequences are really, really bad.  
> Addressed early, the repairs may not even be too expensive.

When I get on the hard in the spring i can check where the cracks are coming 
from and how serious they are (I hope)

> 
> Torque
> 
> In some of these threads, it seems like people are going to extremes torqing 
> up the nuts.  My guess is that you are trying to lift the keel up to the hull 
> with the nuts.  Don't do that!  I don't know the exact bolts you may have, so 
> I can't give you exact numbers, but that information is easy to find.
> 
> All over torquing does is increases the odds of stripping, galling or 
> breaking a bolt. Even if you don't cause your keel to fall off, breaking a 
> bolt is a huge headache.  

I agree. There is no point in over torquing and trying to lift the keel while 
the boat  is in the water seems difficult and senseless.

> 
> The proper tool is the Travellift and a good operator.  To re-seat the keel, 
> make sure that the travellift sits the hull down flush on the keel.  The nuts 
> are just there to keep it there.

We will see what happens in the spring!!

> 
> Happy Thanksgiving

Hope you all have a Happy Thanksgiving and eat lots of turkey!!

Bill


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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolts

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Will, as someone who is going to be lifting the hull off of my keel in a month 
or so, thanks for sound advice.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Nov 26, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Will Harris via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I've been following the conversation about Keel Bolts and cracks.  While we 
> didn't build your boats, I do have some general advice...
> 
> Cracks -  It is easy to think that a crack indicates something is breaking.  
> Really, it means that something HAS BROKEN.  A crack around the keel is 
> potentially very serious.  If it is just the C&C smile, not as serious, but 
> if you find cracks in the laminate, or the structure or any of the tabbing, 
> get it looked at!
> 
> They will not heal themselves, and the consequences are really, really bad.  
> Addressed early, the repairs may not even be too expensive.
> 
> Torque
> 
> In some of these threads, it seems like people are going to extremes torqing 
> up the nuts.  My guess is that you are trying to lift the keel up to the hull 
> with the nuts.  Don't do that!  I don't know the exact bolts you may have, so 
> I can't give you exact numbers, but that information is easy to find.
> 
> All over torquing does is increases the odds of stripping, galling or 
> breaking a bolt. Even if you don't cause your keel to fall off, breaking a 
> bolt is a huge headache.  
> 
> The proper tool is the Travellift and a good operator.  To re-seat the keel, 
> make sure that the travellift sits the hull down flush on the keel.  The nuts 
> are just there to keep it there.
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving
> 
> Will Harris
> C&C Yachts
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Re: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I bot a Sears a couple years ago, and I luv it. Well, maybe I’m getting carried 
away, but I have tried Sharks, larger shop vacs, but this one is perfect.  I 
tried to find it on their site, to no avail, but they may still have it. It was 
one of the smallest, maybe 2 or 2 .5 gal.

It has a little felt bag instead of the regular filters. Make sure you get one 
that blows as well as sucks.  I use it to suck on the faucet to prime it in the 
spring, Blow it in the fall to clean out the lines, (oops, this is starting to 
sound a little graphic, sorry)  sometimes when I am sanding or using the dremel 
I hold it nearby to suck up the dust.  Oh, and I have even used it to clean!

The great thing is, it came with a little side attachment point, and I screwed 
the attachment point under the chart table, in completely wasted space.  It 
just hangs there, and You would never know it was there, and I can run it with 
the inverter when out.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

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Subject: Stus-List Wet / Dry Vac recommendations?

 

Looking for recommendations for  a wet / dry vac for boat and some home. 110v 
is fine, but prefer something other than the huge ~16 gallon versions. 
Suggestions and links are welcome. Of course…price/value is a consideration.

 

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Re: Stus-List Keel Bolts

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Thanks. I forgot to mention tightening the keel bolts is NOT done in the
water!
Does anyone know if the 35 MK I and II keel stub is glassed on after the
fact or molded as part of the hull?


Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:18 PM
To: Will Harris; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Bolts

Thanks for the advice:

> On Nov 26, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Will Harris via CnC-List
 wrote:
> 
> I've been following the conversation about Keel Bolts and cracks.  While
we didn't build your boats, I do have some general advice...
> 
> Cracks -  It is easy to think that a crack indicates something is
breaking.  Really, it means that something HAS BROKEN.  A crack around the
keel is potentially very serious.  If it is just the C&C smile, not as
serious, but if you find cracks in the laminate, or the structure or any of
the tabbing, get it looked at!
> 
> They will not heal themselves, and the consequences are really, really
bad.  Addressed early, the repairs may not even be too expensive.

When I get on the hard in the spring i can check where the cracks are coming
from and how serious they are (I hope)

> 
> Torque
> 
> In some of these threads, it seems like people are going to extremes
torqing up the nuts.  My guess is that you are trying to lift the keel up to
the hull with the nuts.  Don't do that!  I don't know the exact bolts you
may have, so I can't give you exact numbers, but that information is easy to
find.
> 
> All over torquing does is increases the odds of stripping, galling or
breaking a bolt. Even if you don't cause your keel to fall off, breaking a
bolt is a huge headache.  

I agree. There is no point in over torquing and trying to lift the keel
while the boat  is in the water seems difficult and senseless.

> 
> The proper tool is the Travellift and a good operator.  To re-seat the
keel, make sure that the travellift sits the hull down flush on the keel.
The nuts are just there to keep it there.

We will see what happens in the spring!!

> 
> Happy Thanksgiving

Hope you all have a Happy Thanksgiving and eat lots of turkey!!

Bill


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Stus-List Folding prop

[Brian Donovan via CnC-List]

This was my first season with Celtic Fire a C & C 35' MK III sailing on Lake 
Ontario.
I have a folding prop Prop (Flexofold 2 blade 16 R). 
That does not open up all the way when the boat is moving, when this happens it 
creates a lot of vibration. 
This problem does not happen when I leave the dock and start from a standing 
still. 
I wonder if anyone else has experienced a similar problem and found a solution.

Cheers,

Brian

Brian Donovan
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Hilton NY 14468

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