good idea, she is due for a bottom job this spring so I will check carefully for cracks. thx bill
> On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> wrote: > > Bill: > > You will get different advice on this issue, as you have noticed. > > I am no expert, but: > 1. there should not be cracks in the bilge sump between the keel bolts, and > 2. if there are cracks there, and you are quite confident that they are > leaking water, get it checked out by a knowledgeable person. > > Years back (1991), a friend bought a 1985 C&C 33 MKII in near new condition. > That Spring we were removing the antifouling paint and discovered a hairline > crack around the front of the keel on the keel stub, not the keel joint where > we experience the C&C smile between the keel stub and the keel. Question now > was, it is just a surface crack? How deep did it go into the hull? > > Owner hired a guy to address the issue. He ground out the crack and it > almost went through the entire hull before he reached dry material.....it was > seriously deep The previous owner had a hard grounding during Chester Race > Week and did not tell my friend about it when he sold the boat. It was a > significant crack and we were glad we found it and addressed it before > we took the boat to Boston that Summer to do the Marblehead Race. > > Your call, but I would have someone experienced in these matters put my mind > at rest. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > > > On 2014/11/26 12:55 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List wrote: >> Thanks for the info, when I am on the hard next I will try this. >> I am certain is it coming from the small cracks from visual observations. >> I wonder if Wally would like to leave the sunny south and make a trip up to >> the frozen north for a little hull repair work ;-) >> Cheers, >> Bill >> >>> On Nov 26, 2014, at 7:13 AM, dwight veinot <dwight...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> 1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does >>> come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it >>> can move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the >>> source of the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in >>> from below it should show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge >>> with water and it should leak out and maybe let you know where the source >>> of the leak is...grind that area out both sides at the keel hull joint and >>> dry well...then squeeze in some polyurethane sealant , let that cure >>> well...cover with epoxy putty and finally with resin soaked chopped strand >>> glass matt...what you describe does not sound that serious to me so I don't >>> think you would need to do a major repair...but if you have the extra cash >>> separate the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally did on >>> his Landfall 38...that job was probably better than when it came from the >>> factory >>> >>> Dwight Veinot >>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna >>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >>> d.ve...@bellaliant.net <mailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >>> I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow - about >>> 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the influx >>> might be more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has been some >>> contact between the keel ad something hard in its past life but not too >>> sure how hard and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel >>> structure as it is very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I >>> doubt the cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks are >>> probably from the C&C smile to the hull-keel interface. >>> >>> I am bobing about on a 750'x137’ drillship watching a cold front pass by - >>> we are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea’s don’t look too bad from 80’ >>> up - maybe 10-14’. check out: >>> http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA >>> >>> <http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA> >>> >>> Bill Hoyne >>> Mithrandir >>> ’74 C&C35 MkII >>> in Victoria,BC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile. >>>> Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned. >>>> After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts to 300 >>>> ft. lbs and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers cloth another matt >>>> and final layer of cloth using West System. Each layer was a bit wider >>>> starting at 1 in.and ending around 5 in..Inter protect in spring as >>>> weather is now going downhill. >>>> Will know if it works after haul out next year. >>>> Minimal cost so worth the try. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:00 PM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com >>>> <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >>>> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com >>>> <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com> >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: keel bolts (mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net >>>> <mailto:mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net>) >>>> 2. Re: keel bolts (Della Barba, Joe) >>>> 3. Re: Using 12v trickle charger to test components? >>>> (Marek Dziedzic) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:12:03 +0000 >>>> From: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net <mailto:mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net> >>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> <134239895-1416841932-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1701521359-@b3.c5.bise6.blackberry >>>> >>>> <mailto:134239895-1416841932-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1701521359-@b3.c5.bise6.blackberry>> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>>> >>>> I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that >>>> strangely enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past summer. >>>> The PO had told me about a hard grounding. >>>> >>>> I got it surveyed this fall after haul-out by a surveyor with lots of C&C >>>> experience. Turns out I have hidden grounding damage. I re-launched on >>>> Friday and sailed over to Bristol Marine in Port Credit on Sunday. Will be >>>> $$. >>>> >>>> At least I had a great sail yesterday...I had all Lake Ontario to myself. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> Atacama CnC 33 >>>> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. >>>> Envoy? sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le r?seau de Bell. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:32:40 +0000 >>>> From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov >>>> <mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> >>>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <650fe5515a854a538cf20c0410063...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov >>>> <mailto:650fe5515a854a538cf20c0410063...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Yes - having cracks through the bottom of the boat is not a trivial thing >>>> to fix. A friends boat had an issue like this that was repaired in a >>>> quickie put-epoxy-on-it manner and it opened up while he was out. That >>>> trip was not fun :( >>>> His crack was above the keel, so we could get at it with the keel on. We >>>> ground it out and added layers of glass and epoxy outside and then did the >>>> same on the inside. I can't say it is perfect, but it is about 500 times >>>> stronger than the last "repair". Also you might want to make SURE that is >>>> where the water coming from. I would shop vac and towel dry the bilge and >>>> watch it very carefully. The 35 MK I and II keel structure is pretty >>>> strong and I would say cracks through the boat aren't common. >>>> >>>> Joe Della Barba >>>> Coquina >>>> C&C 35 MK I >>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com >>>> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via >>>> CnC-List >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:00 AM >>>> To: Jim Watts; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>; Bill >>>> Hoyne >>>> Subject: Stus-List keel bolts >>>> >>>> Bill: >>>> >>>> I would tend to agree with Jim Watts.....have someone knowledgeable >>>> inspect your boat. It is not normal to have cracks in the sump that are >>>> leaking water. >>>> >>>> I would not simply cover up the cracks without knowing how significant >>>> they are. >>>> >>>> Did your boat experience a 'hard grounding'? >>>> >>>> Rob Abbott >>>> AZURA >>>> C&C 32 - 84 >>>> Halifax, N.S. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2014/11/23 12:57 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote: >>>> Sounds like a pro job to me. I would talk to Blackline and get their >>>> opinion. >>>> >>>> Jim Watts >>>> Paradigm Shift >>>> C&C 35 Mk III >>>> Victoria, BC >>>> >>>> On 22 November 2014 at 12:02, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com><mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>> wrote: >>>> I blasted out to Victoria to escape the frigid Alberta cold for a week or >>>> so. So I thought a little biking and messing around in the bilge would be >>>> fun. The water in the bilge was a bit salty and the mild steel plates >>>> below the keel bolts were badly corroded so I replaced some of the plates >>>> with some 3/8" 316SS. I cleaned out the bilge and watched. When I removed >>>> the bolts, one at a time :-) there was no seepage around the bolts - a >>>> good sign I think. However there are some cracks in the sump area between >>>> the keel bolts and these are seeping water at about 100ml/day. I didn't go >>>> out for a sail so assume there would be more water ingress when the keel >>>> is under some stress. Is there some way to seal these cracks without >>>> dropping the keel? What is the thickness from the bottom of the bilge to >>>> the top of the keel stub? Can I just pour some epoxy in the the sump area? >>>> >>>> Thanks!! >>>> >>>> Bill Hoyne >>>> Mithrandir >>>> '74 C&C35 MkII >>>> in Victoria,BC >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------- >>>> >
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