Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List]

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I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag 
stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has 
just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle 
my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would 
take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my 
flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel 
bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need 
your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back 
home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you 
and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can 
reach you.
Thanks,
John


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Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to
pay the bill :)

 

Joe Della Barba

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

 

I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag
stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy
has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and
settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but
it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad
news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems
settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i
settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make
the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let
me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email
because it's the only way i can reach you.


Thanks,
John 

 

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Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[Chris Price via CnC-List]

Funny, same thing happened to a friend of mine in Singapore. Same hotel,too!

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On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to 
> pay the bill J
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D 
> IRVIN via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
>  
> I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag 
> stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has 
> just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle 
> my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would 
> take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my 
> flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel 
> bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I 
> need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get 
> back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count 
> on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i 
> can reach you.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and
deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime
> Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across
> the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard
> and his mooring is in rather slim water.
>
> His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing
> winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and
> will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect
> and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.
>
> I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks
> like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the
> small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the
> 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have
> another project?
>
> On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in
> Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no
> self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).
>
> The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and
> seven feet is a non-starter around here.
>
> Gary
> still happy with the 30-1
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM
> *Subject:* Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
>
>
>
> This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
> My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60
> engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I
> had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine,
> but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead
> forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States
>
>
>
> The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is
> apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be
> trapped in my slip except at high tide.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
> *C&C 35 MK I*
>
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Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

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the funny thing is that they even left the "stus-list" in the subject.
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To: "j...@dellabarba.com" , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:05:18 -0500


Funny, same thing happened to a friend of mine in Singapore. Same hotel,too!

Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to pay 
the bill J
 
Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
 
I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag 
stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has 
just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle 
my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would 
take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my 
flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel 
bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need 
your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back 
home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you 
and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can 
reach you.

Thanks,
John
 

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Stus-List Fleebay Scores

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

eBay is an auction site where anyone can list anything..  So it's random.

 I have had some great deals on both new an old stuff.  For sailing stuff
don't forget to look for for the ebay UK site it seems to have a lot more
'Specialist" stuff as they call it.  Shipping from the UK has not been a
problem so far.

Usually, I find the stuff that's perfect, priced right, and ready to go
when I'm least prepared to spend the dough,,,

Amazon is great too, so is Craigslist, etc.  I also have a list of  web
sites and addresses specialized in used boating / sailing equipment if
anyone is interested.

And oh.., Don't forget marina flee markets and swap meets.  I made out like
a bandit last year picking up (Among other things) a very lightly used
spinnaker that's an almost perfect fit for Take Five for 100.00 Bucks.


-Francois Rivard
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Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Best one I got was a WARNING KEY WEST MARINA ROBBERY email.

It was a warning from a guy who was asked to rub suntan lotion on two very
attractive girls wandering local marina. While he was doing this, their
accomplice stole his wallet from his car.

He said he got robbed Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday last week and
Wednesday this week. 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

 

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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 8:36 AM
To: iceboa...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

 


the funny thing is that they even left the "stus-list" in the subject.


-- Original Message --
From: Chris Price via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: "j...@dellabarba.com  " mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> >, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 " mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:05:18 -0500

Funny, same thing happened to a friend of mine in Singapore. Same hotel,too!

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to
pay the bill :)

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D
IRVIN via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

 

I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag
stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy
has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and
settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but
it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad
news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems
settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i
settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make
the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let
me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email
because it's the only way i can reach you.


Thanks,
John

 

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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Steve,

As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I
would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise
the Bahamas.

Joel


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and
> deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>  I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime
>> Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across
>> the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard
>> and his mooring is in rather slim water.
>>
>> His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing
>> winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and
>> will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect
>> and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.
>>
>> I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few
>> folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through
>> the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted
>> the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to
>> have another project?
>>
>> On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in
>> Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no
>> self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).
>>
>> The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and
>> seven feet is a non-starter around here.
>>
>> Gary
>> still happy with the 30-1
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM
>> *Subject:* Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>>
>>
>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
>>
>>
>>
>> This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
>> My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60
>> engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I
>> had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine,
>> but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead
>> forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States
>>
>>
>>
>> The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is
>> apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be
>> trapped in my slip except at high tide.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Joe Della Barba*
>>
>> *Coquina*
>>
>> *C&C 35 MK I*
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fleebay Scores

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

The VERY best scores for sailors are - of course - dumpster scores :)

I found two excellent winch handles on top of the dumpster in Annapolis. A
little WD-40 freed up the plastic handle part and they are good as new. 

Next to the Rock Hall dumpster I got a 4 foot antenna extension that looked
new.

Next to my marina dumpster I got a really nice metal safety 5 gallon gas can
NEVER BEEN USED. It was dry and had no gas smell at all inside of it.

I got a starting battery from our recycle pile that was made in 1990, thrown
on the pile in 1993, and worked fine until about 2001. Gel cells last a long
time :)

I would not normally look inside a dumpster, but I did fish out a large
Bimini top made out of dark blue Sunbrella that still had the new cloth
smell. I have no idea why anyone would throw this away. WTF?? It looks
like it was never even put up once and it is huge.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Fleebay Scores

 

eBay is an auction site where anyone can list anything..  So it's random. 

 I have had some great deals on both new an old stuff.  For sailing stuff
don't forget to look for for the ebay UK site it seems to have a lot more
'Specialist" stuff as they call it.  Shipping from the UK has not been a
problem so far. 

Usually, I find the stuff that's perfect, priced right, and ready to go when
I'm least prepared to spend the dough,,,

Amazon is great too, so is Craigslist, etc.  I also have a list of  web
sites and addresses specialized in used boating / sailing equipment if
anyone is interested. 

And oh.., Don't forget marina flee markets and swap meets.  I made out like
a bandit last year picking up (Among other things) a very lightly used
spinnaker that's an almost perfect fit for Take Five for 100.00 Bucks.   


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Ga

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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best.

I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel 
off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At 
least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value 
of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent 
them the lead you removed.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

Steve,

 

As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas.

 

Joel

 

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep 
draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

 

 

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for 
the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is 
in rather slim water.

 

His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not 
four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low 
dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he 
wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.

 

I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like 
many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults 
and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat 
with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? 

 

On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self 
tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).

 

The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven 
feet is a non-starter around here.

 

Gary

still happy with the 30-1

- Original Message - 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List   

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM

Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States

 

This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, 
which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG 
Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts 
are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not 
exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States

 

The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is apparently 
there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be trapped in my slip 
except at high tide.

 

 

 

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Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Which John Irvinn or John Irvin am I talking to?

John, where are your family and friends?

And hopefully there is more than one flight out of Kiev.




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I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my 
bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The 
embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for 
a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made 
contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access 
funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very 
soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel 
manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your 
help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back 
home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can 
count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's 
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? (now: Keel draft...)

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Draft and draft limitations are interesting markers for some. To me there is no 
right or wrong, just comfort level. Or slip depth…

We have acquaintances in the Annapolis area who regularly cruised the Bahamas 
with one of the original C&C 40’s with it’s deep draft. They had no problems 
and when they decided to sell the 40 and move up, they bought a Swan 47. ~7.5 
feet of draft. They still spend their winters in the Bahamas having a good time.

I come at it from the other end of the spectrum. I’ll take as much keel as I 
can reasonable get away with. The 37 has 6’ 8” and I’ve never had a problem 
with it (oh yes, I have run aground many times.  ;-)  ) on the Bay and plan on 
using it in the Bahamas. I just enjoy the sailing characteristics of and am 
comfortable with lots of keel underneath me.

I’m also lucky that even in conditions that blow the water out of the Bay so 
much that the fish are flopping around, that my boat is still floating.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Jul 11, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
> marginal at best.
> I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the 
> keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to 
> spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the 
> increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some 
> credit if you sent them the lead you removed.
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
> To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>  
> Steve,
>  
> As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I would 
> not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
> Bahamas.
>  
> Joel
>  
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and 
> deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.
>  
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>  
>  
> 
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
> Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay 
> for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his 
> mooring is in rather slim water.
>  
> His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, 
> not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for 
> low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he 
> wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.
>  
> I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks 
> like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small 
> faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 
> 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have 
> another project?
>  
> On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
> Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self 
> tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).
>  
> The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven 
> feet is a non-starter around here.
>  
> Gary
> still happy with the 30-1
> - Original Message -
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM
> Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>  
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
>  
> This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
> My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, 
> which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG 
> Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK 
> parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 
> HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.
>  
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States
>  
> The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is 
> apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be 
> trapped in my slip except at high tide.
>  
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

There was an early C&C 39 ('71 model if I remember correctly) in
Jacksonville that had the keel chopped and a (home made ?) bulb bolted on.
The owner told me that he could access his skinny water slip but that the
boat no longer sailed as it did originally.
He decided to sell the boat and it sat for years with a for sale sign on
the life line, he even tried to donate it to the sea scouts and they would
have it. The last that I heard that she was finally scrapped.

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be
> marginal at best.
>
> I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the
> keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to
> spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the
> increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some
> credit if you sent them the lead you removed.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
> *To:* Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
> As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I
> would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise
> the Bahamas.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and
> deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C&C 32
>
> Toronto
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum.
> Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay
> for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his
> mooring is in rather slim water.
>
>
>
> His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing
> winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and
> will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect
> and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.
>
>
>
> I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks
> like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the
> small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the
> 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have
> another project?
>
>
>
> On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in
> Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no
> self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).
>
>
>
> The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and
> seven feet is a non-starter around here.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> still happy with the 30-1
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM
>
> *Subject:* Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
>
>
>
> This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
> My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60
> engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I
> had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine,
> but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead
> forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States
>
>
>
> The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is
> apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be
> trapped in my slip except at high tide.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[Fair, Mike via CnC-List]

If 'John' was stuck in Nigeria would you send him money?


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
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Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

Which John Irvinn or John Irvin am I talking to?

John, where are your family and friends?

And hopefully there is more than one flight out of Kiev.




On 2014/07/11 8:11 AM, JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List wrote:

I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag 
stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has 
just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle 
my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would 
take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my 
flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel 
bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need 
your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back 
home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you 
and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can 
reach you.

Thanks,
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Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I'd pitch in...

-- Original Message --
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To: Robert Abbott , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:31:44 +


If ‘John’ was stuck in Nigeria would you send him money?
 
 
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 Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
 
Which John Irvinn or John Irvin am I talking to?  
 
 John, where are your family and friends?  
 
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 On 2014/07/11 8:11 AM, JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List wrote:
I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag 
stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has 
just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle 
my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would 
take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my 
flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel 
bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need 
your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back 
home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you 
and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can 
reach you.

 Thanks,
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. 

A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 



7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best. 

I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel 
off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At 
least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value 
of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent 
them the lead you removed. 



Joe Della Barba 

j...@dellabarba.com 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM 
To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 




Steve, 





As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas. 





Joel 





On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep 
draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. 





Steve 


Suhana, C&C 32 


Toronto 








On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for 
the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is 
in rather slim water. 





His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not 
four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low 
dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he 
wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. 





I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like 
many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults 
and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat 
with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? 





On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self 
tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). 





The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven 
feet is a non-starter around here. 





Gary 


still happy with the 30-1 





- Original Message - 


From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 


Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM 


Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 





http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
 




This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. 
My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, 
which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG 
Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts 
are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not 
exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat. 



http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States 




The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is apparently 
there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be trapped in my slip 
except at high tide. 







Joe Della Barba 

Coquina 

C&C 35 MK I 



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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. 
They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc….

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

 

From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing.  Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing.  

 

A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off.  The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft.  The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just sayin.

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

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From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best.

I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel 
off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At 
least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value 
of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent 
them the lead you removed.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

Steve,

 

As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas.

 

Joel

 

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep 
draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

 

 

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for 
the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is 
in rather slim water.

 

His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not 
four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low 
dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he 
wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.

 

I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like 
many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults 
and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat 
with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? 

 

On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self 
tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).

 

The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven 
feet is a non-starter around here.

 

Gary

still happy with the 30-1

- Original Message - 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List   

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM

Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States

 

This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, 
which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG 
Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts 
are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not 
exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States

 

The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things

Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Horses for courses. Deep-draft boats--like Peregrine--are wonderful
puttering around the Northeast or Northwest...or Mexico... or the
Caribbean. And I bet I could find any number of beautiful anchorages in the
Chesapeake that would suit me just fine, though it might be a long row over
to Joe's boat for cocktails!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I
> go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel,
> aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove,
> aground in Knapps Narrows, etc….
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
> *To:* j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>
>
>
> FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake,
> while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can
> lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter
> winds, when racing.  Light displacement is not so important where it's
> windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing.
>
>
>
> A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run
> aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off.  The old Navy Luders
> Yawls drew 8ft.  The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  There are a few
> TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just sayin.
>
>
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> *To: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> *Sent: *Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>
>
>
> 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be
> marginal at best.
>
> I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the
> keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to
> spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the
> increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some
> credit if you sent them the lead you removed.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
> *To:* Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
> As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I
> would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise
> the Bahamas.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and
> deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C&C 32
>
> Toronto
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum.
> Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay
> for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his
> mooring is in rather slim water.
>
>
>
> His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing
> winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and
> will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect
> and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.
>
>
>
> I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks
> like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the
> small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the
> 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have
> another project?
>
>
>
> On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in
> Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no
> self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).
>
>
>
> The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and
> seven feet is a non-starter around here.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> still happy with the 30-1
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM
>
> *Subject:* Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
>
>
>
> This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
> My guess is the sticking point is the engine. I

Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

It would be no problem at Higgins in St. Michaels (in the travel lift area or 
on the end of the T dock), but I could swim to it from my slip I'd love to 
try it coming from the north in Kent Narrows - think I could get past the turn?

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
  To: 'CNC boat owners, cnc-list' 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?


  None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I 
go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc….

  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com

   

  Coquina

  C&C 35 MK I

   

   

  From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
  To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

   

  FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing.  Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing.  

   

  A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off.  The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft.  The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just sayin.

   

  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

   


--

  From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
  To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

   

  7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best.

  I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the 
keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. 
At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased 
value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you 
sent them the lead you removed.

   

  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
Aronson via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
  To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

   

  Steve,

   

  As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas.

   

  Joel

   

  On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:

There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and 
deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

 

 

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for 
the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is 
in rather slim water.

   

  His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing 
winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will 
go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and 
decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.

   

  I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few 
folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the 
small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 
'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have 
another project? 

   

  On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self 
tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).

   

  The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and 
seven feet is a non-starter around here.

   

  Gary

  still happy with the 30-1

- Original Message - 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM

Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 


http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States

 

This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long tim

Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Up here in New England, what you hit when you run aground is often a 
boulder or a rock ledge, not soft forgiving Chesapeake mud! For that 
reason, I would never even consider a boat that drew over 5 feet. Too 
many places I could not visit at all, and too many obstacles everywhere 
else.


Bill Bina


On 7/11/2014 11:02 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:


None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the 
places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina 
channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in 
Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc


Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

*From:*Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net]
*Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
*To:* j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the 
Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a 
foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a 
bigger role in lighter winds, when racing.  Light displacement is not 
so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole 
destinations more than sailing.


A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you 
run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off.  The old Navy 
Luders Yawls drew 8ft.  The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  
There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just 
sayin.


Chuck
*/Resolute/*
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md




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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[David via CnC-List]

Bill,

Where in NE?   Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand 
where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. 

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:11:31 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com


  

  
  
Up here in New England, what you
hit when you run aground is often a boulder or a rock ledge, not
soft forgiving Chesapeake mud! For that reason, I would never
even consider a boat that drew over 5 feet. Too many places I
could not visit at all, and too many obstacles everywhere else.




Bill Bina





  
On 7/11/2014 11:02 AM, Joe Della Barba
  via CnC-List wrote:



  
  
  
  
  
None
of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the
places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in
the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent
Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows,
etc….
Joe
Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
 
Coquina
C&C
35 MK I
 
 

  
From:
Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 

Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM

To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list

Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these
boats?
  

 

  
FWIW,
I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the
Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern
Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by
1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds,
when racing.  Light displacement is not so important
where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole
destinations more than sailing.  
  
  
 
  
  
A
deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner,
and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or
spin her off.  The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft.  The
newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  There are a few
TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just
sayin.
  
  
 
  
  
Chuck

Resolute

1990 C&C 34R

Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
  
  
 


  

  



  


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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I like the Chesapeake; it's all soft mud, which means that with enough
horsepower pretty much every place is accessible with deep draft. And
there's a channel for getting back out. Granted it'd only be a foot or two
wide...
Bill, where are you going in New England that more than five feet is too
limiting? I can only think of a couple of places.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Up here in New England, what you hit when you run aground is often a
> boulder or a rock ledge, not soft forgiving Chesapeake mud! For that
> reason, I would never even consider a boat that drew over 5 feet. Too many
> places I could not visit at all, and too many obstacles everywhere else.
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, 
and between the forks of Long Island)


Bill Bina

On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote:

Bill,

Where in NE?   Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on 
one hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft.


David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)






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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

My boat draws 5.5 feet. I’m not too worried about navigating in Narragansett
Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block Island. I will
probably avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just need to pay
attention as always.

 

Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J 

 

Skip

Mary Jane

C&C 33 ¾ ton

Portsmouth, RI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
- gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and
between the forks of Long Island)  

Bill Bina

On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote:

Bill,

Where in NE?   Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand
where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. 

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Andrew, you would have to stay away from most of the Eastern shore. As Joe 
mentioned, the channels leading to both Kent Narrows and Knapps Narrows are not 
deep enough - I've been aground in each with 5 feet (and trying to stick to the 
known deeper areas - neither is passable with 7). With seven feet, you would 
have to do a lot of straight line motoring to stay in the rather narrow 
channels - I guess a 427 big block would provide enough power - my buddy's 
Perkins 90 in his 36 footer was barely enough to pull us out in one instance 
(23 inch four blade prop).

Even Mr. Connor ran aground in Toshiba Volvo, but that was 13 feet deep - and 
he was just trying to tack up the Bay.

Stick to the center of the Bay (but be wary of commercial traffic in the 
shipping channel) - and on the western shore, and a good forward scanning sonar 
would help.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
  To: Bill Bina - gmail ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?


  I like the Chesapeake; it's all soft mud, which means that with enough 
horsepower pretty much every place is accessible with deep draft. And there's a 
channel for getting back out. Granted it'd only be a foot or two wide...
  Bill, where are you going in New England that more than five feet is too 
limiting? I can only think of a couple of places.

  Andy
  C&C 40
  Peregrine



  On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Up here in New England, what you hit when you run aground is often a 
boulder or a rock ledge, not soft forgiving Chesapeake mud! For that reason, I 
would never even consider a boat that drew over 5 feet. Too many places I could 
not visit at all, and too many obstacles everywhere else. 

Bill Bina







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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

The issue is not sailing to places across deep water. The issue is where 
you can stop and visit. In the area I outlined, a 7.5 foot draft would 
eliminate probably something like 75% of the nicest anchorages. Maybe 
more. I have been sailing this area for over 50 years.


Bill Bina


On 7/11/2014 11:38 AM, Burt Stratton wrote:


My boat draws 5.5 feet. I'm not too worried about navigating in 
Narragansett Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block 
Island. I will probably avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just 
need to pay attention as always.


Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J

Skip

Mary Jane

C&C 33 ¾ ton

Portsmouth, RI

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List

*Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island 
Sound, and between the forks of Long Island)


Bill Bina




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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[David via CnC-List]

I grew up in Huntington (my wife in Greenwich).  We went down there a few years 
back (in September...glorious time of  year) and visited the old haunts.   
Stayed at Indian Harbor Yacht club and Northport.   Went in and of Huntington 
and I was a wee bit draft concerned.  

I guess the nicer anchorages (Lloy's Harbor Lloyd's Neck, Easton's Neck?) I 
couldn't go near...but during the week in September everything is quiet, even 
the larger harbors I can get into.

We even had wind. 
 

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:47:51 -0400
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Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
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The issue is not sailing to
places across deep water. The issue is where you can stop and
visit. In the area I outlined, a 7.5 foot draft would eliminate
probably something like 75% of the nicest anchorages. Maybe
more. I have been sailing this area for over 50 years. 



Bill Bina

  



On 7/11/2014 11:38 AM, Burt Stratton
  wrote:



  
  
  
  
  
My
boat draws 5.5 feet. I’m not too worried about navigating in
Narragansett Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out
to Block Island. I will probably avoid Woods hole for a
number of reasons. Just need to pay attention as always.
 
Usually
enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J

 
Skip
Mary
Jane
C&C
33 ¾ ton
Portsmouth,
RI
 

  
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boats?
  

 
Between
NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island
Sound, and between the forks of Long Island)  



Bill Bina


  



  


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Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Interesting phishing trip.

The recent StuList email has his home & hotmail addys

john.irv...@hotmail.com, JOHN D IRVIN ,


I received an identical one to personal inbox from this addy:

"JOHN D IRVIN" 



He was on Stu'sList a couple of years ago. My guess is Yahoo and 
Hotmail accounts are easily hacked so go Gmail and then you have to 
nothing worry about as NSA will review everything :)


Cheers, Russ

I didn't help out either.




At 04:11 AM 11/07/2014, you wrote:

I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had 
my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. 
The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to 
pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have 
made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to 
access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be 
leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills 
and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I 
need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund 
once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me 
know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your 
email because it's the only way i can reach you.



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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

6.5' of a 35-3 hasn't held me back from visiting those area (but I am often 
aground in my slip in Branford). The 3GM helps with that...

Tim
Mojito
Branford, CT

> On Jul 11, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and 
> between the forks of Long Island)  
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via   CnC-List wrote:
>> Bill,
>> 
>> Where in NE?   Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand 
>> where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. 
>> 
>> David F. Risch
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List Fleebay Scores

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

You win!


At 06:36 AM 11/07/2014, you wrote:


The VERY best scores for sailors are – of course – dumpster scores J
I found two excellent winch handles on top of 
the dumpster in Annapolis. A little WD-40 freed 
up the plastic handle part and they are good as new.
Next to the Rock Hall dumpster I got a 4 foot 
antenna extension that looked new.
Next to my marina dumpster I got a really nice 
metal safety 5 gallon gas can NEVER BEEN USED. 
It was dry and had no gas smell at all inside of it.
I got a starting battery from our recycle pile 
that was made in 1990, thrown on the pile in 
1993, and worked fine until about 2001. Gel cells last a long time J
I would not normally look inside a dumpster, but 
I did fish out a large Bimini top made out of 
dark blue Sunbrella that still had the new cloth 
smell. I have no idea why anyone would throw 
this away. WTF?? It looks like it was never 
even put up once and it is huge.




Joe Della Barba
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

How much overnight cruising do you do? Do you stop at marinas, or do you 
anchor out most of the time? Have you tried some of the nicer anchorages 
like Mattituck Inlet, or do you stick to the larger, more crowded 
anchorages?  I tend to think you might be sailing right past most of the 
best places with out even being aware of them. You are near the Thimble 
Islands. How much of them can you navigate besides the main anchorage, 
which is always crowded? Sure, you could sail to Pt Judith and anchor 
behind the breakwater with a 25 knot breeze stretching your rode like a 
violin string, but I can go up and into Pt Judith Pond a few minutes 
away, which is a beautiful and quiet jewel. :-)


Bill Bina

On 7/11/2014 11:49 AM, Tim Goodyear wrote:
6.5' of a 35-3 hasn't held me back from visiting those area (but I am 
often aground in my slip in Branford). The 3GM helps with that...


Tim
Mojito
Branford, CT

On Jul 11, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island 
Sound, and between the forks of Long Island)


Bill Bina

On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote:

Bill,

Where in NE?   Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on 
one hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft.


David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)






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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Yes to Mattituck and the Thimbles, which I first explored by SUP and Laser...

> On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> How much overnight cruising do you do? Do you stop at marinas, or do you 
> anchor out most of the time? Have you tried some of the nicer anchorages like 
> Mattituck Inlet, or do you stick to the larger, more crowded anchorages?  I 
> tend to think you might be sailing right past most of the best places with 
> out even being aware of them. You are near the Thimble Islands. How much of 
> them can you navigate besides the main anchorage, which is always crowded? 
> Sure, you could sail to Pt Judith and anchor behind the breakwater with a 25 
> knot breeze stretching your rode like a violin string, but I can go up and 
> into Pt Judith Pond a few minutes away, which is a beautiful and quiet jewel. 
> :-) 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
>> On 7/11/2014 11:49 AM, Tim Goodyear wrote:
>> 6.5' of a 35-3 hasn't held me back from visiting those area (but I am often 
>> aground in my slip in Branford). The 3GM helps with that...
>> 
>> Tim
>> Mojito
>> Branford, CT
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and 
>>> between the forks of Long Island)  
>>> 
>>> Bill Bina
>>> 
 On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote:
 Bill,
 
 Where in NE?   Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one 
 hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. 
 
 David F. Risch
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List re Atomic 4 (Indigo) now propane locker latches

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

I would expect it is proper to have a latch AND a good seal. The 
whole purpose of a propane locker is to send vapour (leak) overboard. 
If a large leak escapes through an improper seal then you have a 
potential path to the interior via the companionway. Not good.


As Chuck points out, a propane tank explodes due to overheating 
beyond the capacity of a relief valve. They don't just blow up like 
an Atomic 4 might.   


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1

At 08:29 PM 10/07/2014, you wrote:

No latch on the propane locker?

This sounds good at first, until you question what would cause a 
propane tank to explode.  The tank has a pressure relief plug and 
relief valve built into the valve.  I think a tank explosion would 
need direct flame, or a spark near a leak near the tank, direct 
flame for a period of time, or a hot bullet.


I was curious so checked Defender cataloge and see their five 
models, all have latches.  Maybe it's safer to protect the tank from 
exposure to flames than to worry about directing the force up?


My tank sits in a compartment w a lid without a latch.  I won't be 
adding a latch.  But I wouldn't require latches be removed 
either.  Best prevention is to perform a leak test when you connect 
the tank and soap joints.



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


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NEVER lock or latch a propane locker! Repeat, NEVER. If the tank 
explodes you want the force to blow upwards through the freely 
opening hatch. If it is latched or locked, the force will blow 
downward through the bottom of your boat. I don't think legal 
propane lockers even have a latch. That is probably a code violation.


Bill Bina


On 7/9/2014 12:06 PM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List wrote:
Jon,

If people used the same due dilligence with their gas engines that 
you do with propane this would not be an issue.


I have all the propane equipment you do and still turn off the gas 
at the tank when I'm done cooking. My propane locker has a pad lock 
on it, rule on the boat is; Lock open, gas on, lock closed, gas 
off.  When I shut down the stove I step outside and shut the valve 
at the tank and close the pad lock.




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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Got me beat!

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
- gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

The issue is not sailing to places across deep water. The issue is where you
can stop and visit. In the area I outlined, a 7.5 foot draft would eliminate
probably something like 75% of the nicest anchorages. Maybe more. I have
been sailing this area for over 50 years. 

Bill Bina



On 7/11/2014 11:38 AM, Burt Stratton wrote:

My boat draws 5.5 feet. I’m not too worried about navigating in Narragansett
Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block Island. I will
probably avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just need to pay
attention as always.

 

Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J 

 

Skip

Mary Jane

C&C 33 ¾ ton

Portsmouth, RI

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
- gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and
between the forks of Long Island)  

Bill Bina

 

 

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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

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Joe Della Barba
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

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Heading toward Maine later this summer. I don't think 7.5' will be a
problem there.

One of my joys with cruising my boat since I got her last year, is actually
getting to stop and explore the places I visit. I sail between harbors.
Sometimes that takes a while if there's not much breeze. But in the C&C I
have a superb sailing craft, so I make way in a zephyr. If there's more
breeze than I feel like sailing in, I don't.

Years ago as a charter captain, I would go to many of these places, but my
job was to keep my guests happy, not enjoy the place. Now, as a delivery
skipper, I go places and either pick up or drop off a boat and leave. In
between ports I have an average speed I try to maintain, so if the wind is
too light to give me 5-6 knots, on goes the engine despite the fact that
sailing would be much more enjoyable.

One of these days, when I've grown bored with all the deep harbors, I'll
start to feel restricted by my draft. But so far the novelty hasn't worn
off.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine



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Stus-List Vibrating saw caulk cutter blade and other scraper blades

[cnc-list--- via CnC-List]

I am replacing ports in an old Allmand 35.  What a job!  They're the
plastic opening ports from Gray Enterprises (Pompanette) that you see on a
lot of older Hunters.  Screwed in from inside with a protruding lip and
trim ring on the outside.

The cut out in the coach roof was oversized by 3/8 to 1/2 inch.  The gap
was filled with sealant, looked like silicone.

I took a worn out blade for my Dremel MultiMax, filed the teeth off and
rounded the corners.  It cut through the silicone fairly quickly and
shortened the length of the job.  It works way better than a 5 in 1 knife
or hand scraper.

I seem to recall a lister who was developing a prototype scraper blade.
However, there are several commercially available now to fit a variety of
vibrating saws.

I also ordered a commercial scraper blade for my MultiMax, it's Dremel part
MM610.  Much wider than my home made one.  The Bosch OSC2FSC blade looks
good also.

If you are thinking of looking into them be advised that they come in rigid
and flexible blades.  The flexible blade is able to get under flanges, etc.
and still have the rest of the blade held off the surface.

I'm thinking that people are using these scraper blades to remove layered
bottom paint now also.

The vibrating saw has become one of my "go to" tools for boat work.  Great
for making cut outs for VHF or stereo installs.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

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In Florida, any draft of more than 5 feet severely limits you, mostly to major 
ports.

You can get around many parts of Biscayne Bay, but forget about the Gulf side 
of the Keys, which has some great cruising spots. With a deeper draft, you can 
anchor in spots on Hawk’s Channel and dinghy in, but there’s not an easy marina 
to get into until Boot Key Harbor on Marathon.

On the west coast of Florida, where I sail now, a deep draft would cause all 
sorts of random problems. I ran aground last year in Little Sarasota Bay in the 
center of the Intracoastal channel. : My draft: 3 feet, 6 inches.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.



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Re: Stus-List Fleebay Scores

[cnc-list--- via CnC-List]

You do well for someone who normally doesn't dumpster dive:)

Rich

> On Jul 11, 2014, at 13:03, Russ & Melody via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I would not normally look inside a dumpster, but I did fish out a large 
> Bimini top made out of

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Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

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I agree Joe. 
That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 18 
ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too 
shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me 
and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make 
different flavors. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM 
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None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. 
They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc…. 

Joe Della Barba 

j...@dellabarba.com 




Coquina 

C&C 35 MK I 






From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM 
To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 





FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. 





A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. 





Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 



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From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 





7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best. 

I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel 
off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At 
least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value 
of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent 
them the lead you removed. 



Joe Della Barba 

j...@dellabarba.com 

From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Joel 
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM 
To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 




Steve, 





As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas. 





Joel 





On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep 
draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. 





Steve 


Suhana, C&C 32 


Toronto 








On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for 
the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is 
in rather slim water. 





His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not 
four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low 
dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he 
wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. 





I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like 
many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults 
and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat 
with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? 





On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self 
tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). 





The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven 
feet is a non-starter around here. 





Gary 


still happy with the 30-1 





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http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
 



This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a 

Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

[cnc-list--- via CnC-List]

Don't get too ambitious and go up to the Middle River area.. just came from 
there and you have to stay between the lines.

Gary
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  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft


  I agree Joe.  
  That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 
18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too 
shallow for us.  Can't change that.  I respect your choice but prefer mine for 
me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs.  It's good they make 
different flavors.  




  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md




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  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?



  None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I 
go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc….

  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com




  Coquina

  C&C 35 MK I





  From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
  To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?



  FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing.  Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing.  



  A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off.  The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft.  The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just sayin.



  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md




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  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?



  7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best.

  I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the 
keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. 
At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased 
value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you 
sent them the lead you removed.



  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
Aronson via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
  To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?



  Steve,



  As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas.



  Joel



  On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:

There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and 
deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.



Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto





On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for 
the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is 
in rather slim water.



  His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing 
winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will 
go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and 
decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.



  I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few 
folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the 
small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 
'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have 
another project? 



  On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self 
tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).



  The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and 
seven feet is a no

Stus-List propane locker latches

[cnc-list--- via CnC-List]

Hi Russ,

Propane is 1.5 X the density of air  I.E. it goes down like water.

On my boat, the C&C engineered propane locker is under the floor just ahead
of the steering quadrant and the lid is a removable triangle shaped false
floor that goes from a point under the steering Binnacle to cover the the
steering quadrant / becomes the floor for the open transom / swim platform.

There is no seal on the lid as there is no need for it.  Just a couple
drains on the bottom that lead overboard for the water / propane to drain.

Best Regards,

Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia








I would expect it is proper to have a latch AND a good seal. The
whole purpose of a propane locker is to send vapour (leak) overboard.
If a large leak escapes through an improper seal then you have a
potential path to the interior via the companionway. Not good.

As Chuck points out, a propane tank explodes due to overheating
beyond the capacity of a relief valve. They don't just blow up like
an Atomic 4 might.   

 Cheers, Russ
 Sweet 35-1

At 08:29 PM 10/07/2014, you wrote:
>No latch on the propane locker?
>
>This sounds good at first, until you question what would cause a
>propane tank to explode.  The tank has a pressure relief plug and
>relief valve built into the valve.  I think a tank explosion would
>need direct flame, or a spark near a leak near the tank, direct
>flame for a period of time, or a hot bullet.
>
>I was curious so checked Defender cataloge and see their five
>models, all have latches.  Maybe it's safer to protect the tank from
>exposure to flames than to worry about directing the force up?
>
>My tank sits in a compartment w a lid without a latch.  I won't be
>adding a latch.  But I wouldn't require latches be removed
>either.  Best prevention is to perform a leak test when you connect
>the tank and soap joints.
>
>
>Chuck
>Resolute
>1990 C&C 34R
>Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md___
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Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Have to lookup Middle River. 

We explored Cat Tail Creek last weekend. GPS has done a great job keeping us 
from bumping the bottom. Ran thru many winding turns past several moorings and 
beautiful waterfront homes as far as a sidewheeler w a french name sitting on a 
lift. Turned round when I started seeing 9's on the depth sounder and the trees 
indicated a breeze. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:18:18 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft 

Don't get too ambitious and go up to the Middle River area.. just came from 
there and you have to stay between the lines. 
Gary 



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From: cnc-list--- via CnC-List 
To: j...@dellabarba.com ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:10 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft 

I agree Joe. 
That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 18 
ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too 
shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me 
and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make 
different flavors. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 



None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. 
They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc…. 

Joe Della Barba 

j...@dellabarba.com 




Coquina 

C&C 35 MK I 






From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM 
To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 





FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. 





A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. 





Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 



- Original Message -



From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 





7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best. 

I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel 
off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At 
least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value 
of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent 
them the lead you removed. 



Joe Della Barba 

j...@dellabarba.com 

From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Joel 
Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM 
To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 




Steve, 





As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas. 





Joel 





On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep 
draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. 





Steve 


Suhana, C&C 32 


Toronto 








On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for 
the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is 
in rather slim water. 





His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not 
four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low 
dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he 
wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. 





I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like 
many on t

Re: Stus-List propane locker latches

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Francous, 
Do you have two tanks there? 




Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:36:48 PM 
Subject: Stus-List propane locker latches 



Hi Russ, 

Propane is 1.5 X the density of air I.E. it goes down like water. 

On my boat, the C&C engineered propane locker is under the floor just ahead of 
the steering quadrant and the lid is a removable triangle shaped false floor 
that goes from a point under the steering Binnacle to cover the the steering 
quadrant / becomes the floor for the open transom / swim platform. 

There is no seal on the lid as there is no need for it. Just a couple drains on 
the bottom that lead overboard for the water / propane to drain. 

Best Regards, 

Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, Georgia 








I would expect it is proper to have a latch AND a good seal. The 
whole purpose of a propane locker is to send vapour (leak) overboard. 
If a large leak escapes through an improper seal then you have a 
potential path to the interior via the companionway. Not good. 

As Chuck points out, a propane tank explodes due to overheating 
beyond the capacity of a relief valve. They don't just blow up like 
an Atomic 4 might.

Cheers, Russ 
Sweet 35-1 

At 08:29 PM 10/07/2014, you wrote: 
>No latch on the propane locker? 
> 
>This sounds good at first, until you question what would cause a 
>propane tank to explode. The tank has a pressure relief plug and 
>relief valve built into the valve. I think a tank explosion would 
>need direct flame, or a spark near a leak near the tank, direct 
>flame for a period of time, or a hot bullet. 
> 
>I was curious so checked Defender cataloge and see their five 
>models, all have latches. Maybe it's safer to protect the tank from 
>exposure to flames than to worry about directing the force up? 
> 
>My tank sits in a compartment w a lid without a latch. I won't be 
>adding a latch. But I wouldn't require latches be removed 
>either. Best prevention is to perform a leak test when you connect 
>the tank and soap joints. 
> 
> 
>Chuck 
>Resolute 
>1990 C&C 34R 
>Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was 
purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 
4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard C&C, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina 
spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming 
to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time 
this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years 
when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it 
has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows 
again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky.

OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive upstream 
and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM
To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft

 

I agree Joe.  

That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 18 
ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too 
shallow for us.  Can't change that.  I respect your choice but prefer mine for 
me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs.  It's good they make 
different flavors.  

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. 
They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc….

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

 

From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
To: j...@dellabarba.com  ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing.  Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing.  

 

A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off.  The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft.  The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just sayin.

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best.

I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel 
off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At 
least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value 
of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent 
them the lead you removed.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

Steve,

 

As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas.

 

Joel

 

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep 
draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.

 

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

 

 

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for 
the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is 
in rather slim water.

 

His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not 
four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was at

Stus-List Propane Locker Latches

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck,

Yes I do.  They are 2 slim (About 6.5 inch diam) and kinda tall tanks I
believe they hold 6 LB.  We use the propane oven / cooktop regularly and I
have yet to have to re-fill.  One of the few things I did not have to
replace / rehab  :-)

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia___
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Geeze skip, I thought you were in New Hampshire...  there I was going on about 
Kittery and such. LOl

 You really are close by!  What Marina are you at?  I may be looking for a new 
home for Lolita...


From my Android phone

 Original message 
From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List  
Date: 07/11/2014  12:34 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: 'Bill Bina - gmail' ,cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 
 
Got me beat!
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - 
gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
 
The issue is not sailing to places across deep water. The issue is where you 
can stop and visit. In the area I outlined, a 7.5 foot draft would eliminate 
probably something like 75% of the nicest anchorages. Maybe more. I have been 
sailing this area for over 50 years. 

Bill Bina


On 7/11/2014 11:38 AM, Burt Stratton wrote:
My boat draws 5.5 feet. I’m not too worried about navigating in Narragansett 
Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block Island. I will probably 
avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just need to pay attention as always.
 
Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J
 
Skip
Mary Jane
C&C 33 ¾ ton
Portsmouth, RI
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - 
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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and 
between the forks of Long Island)  

Bill Bina

 
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Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Gotta visit Corsica River one of these weekends. 
My crew seems more focused on anchoring out, swims, kayaking, and sightseeing 
close to Broad Creek. 
We will explore more as we get used to this new to us way of cruising. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:41:10 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft 



Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was 
purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 
4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard C&C, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina 
spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming 
to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time 
this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years 
when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it 
has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows 
again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky. 

OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive upstream 
and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out. 




Joe Della Barba 


j...@dellabarba.com 


Coquina C&C 35 MK I 


From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM 
To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft 





I agree Joe. 


That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 18 
ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too 
shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me 
and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make 
different flavors. 








Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 



- Original Message -



From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 





None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. 
They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc…. 

Joe Della Barba 

j...@dellabarba.com 



Coquina 

C&C 35 MK I 






From: Chuck S [ mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net ] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM 
To: j...@dellabarba.com ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 





FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. 





A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. 





Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 






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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 





7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best. 

I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel 
off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At 
least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value 
of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent 
them the lead you removed. 



Joe Della Barba 

j...@dellabarba.com 

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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM 
To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 




Steve, 





As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would 
not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
Bahamas. 





Joel 





On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep 
draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. 





Steve 


Suhana, C&C 32 


Toronto 








On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List < 
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I sometimes pick up donated 

Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[M Bod via CnC-List]

Anyone try dynemma for lifelines?
I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech 
line.

http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html

Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. 
But would there be other issues?
Chafe on sails?
Chafe at stantions?
Hard to adjust length?

My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not 
sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally.

Thoughts?

Mark
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Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Mark,

My understanding with Dyneema is that you will need to replace it often. If you 
race seriously, the lower weight could be worth the added expense and upkeep. 
Otherwise, wire would be the way to go. 

There's a company I've used in the past to replace the lifelines on the 
Enterprise-A called Rigging Only. When I replace the ones on the "B" in a year 
or two, I'll use them again. 

They provide you with all the instructions you need to measure and then they 
will make everything for you. Great value. 


All the best,

Edd

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On Jul 11, 2014, at 7:59 PM, M Bod via CnC-List  wrote:

Anyone try dynemma for lifelines?
I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech 
line.

http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html

Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. 
But would there be other issues?
Chafe on sails?
Chafe at stantions?
Hard to adjust length?

My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not 
sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally.

Thoughts?

Mark
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Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I had similar questions but after talking with a rigging specialist, I'm
pretty well sold on the dyneema.  You will have to get good at making a
locked brummel splice.  This alone could be enough for some people to look
to a professional.  Make sure you have enough extra length to practice
with.

If you decide to stay with traditiinal rigging, Suncor does great swageless
fittings that they call "quick-attach".  They are easy, quick, and
reusable.  Just use the uncoated wire rope.  They have a complete kit for
~$150 but it comes with coated wire.

Most of the marine industy recognizes that the coating traps moisture and
eliminates oxygen exposure causing the SS to not be so stainless.  The
coating also prevents inspection.  Without coating "fish hooks" are more
likely.  That and the weight make dyneema my choice.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 11, 2014 7:59 PM, "M Bod via CnC-List"  wrote:

> Anyone try dynemma for lifelines?
> I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high
> tech line.
>
>
> http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html
>
> Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed.
> But would there be other issues?
> Chafe on sails?
> Chafe at stantions?
> Hard to adjust length?
>
> My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum.
> Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mark
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Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Yes. Used those hooks too. You need to tension the line before you measure
and leave room for more stretch.

Joel

On Friday, July 11, 2014, M Bod via CnC-List  wrote:

> Anyone try dynemma for lifelines?
> I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high
> tech line.
>
>
> http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html
>
> Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed.
> But would there be other issues?
> Chafe on sails?
> Chafe at stantions?
> Hard to adjust length?
>
> My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum.
> Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mark
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Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I did the Amsteel 1/4" lines. At first I used a fid I made from a large hollow 
darning needle, but later learned to use a simpler coat hanger to pull the end 
through. I followed Samson's method to taper the end and measured the bury to 
about 22" I think. They give you fid lengths that equate to that length for 
1/4" line. I made luggage tag eyes in either end of line. 

http://www.samsonrope.com/Documents/Splice%20Instructions/12Strand_C2_Eye%20Splice_JUL2012_WEB.pdf
 

I reused my turnbuckles and replaced the swaged ends w eyes from Johnson. I 
wound up w turnbuckles at one end of each line and the Gate Pelican hooks too. 
But if I ever redo them, I'll emilinate turnbuckles and rely on the pelican 
hooks for final tension. 

To pull the line through the stanchion eye, use a small 1/8" inch braided line 
about a foot long. Put a loop of small line through the eye of amsteel, then 
insert the two ends of small line through the stanchion hole and pull it 
through to the other side, pulling the Amsteel eye after. This method is so 
easy, you can remove the lifelines in winter to double the life. The coiled 
lines can be labelled and fit easily into a plastic shopping bag and stored 
inside the boat. 

Lastly, get your tension right before stitching locking stitches into each eye, 
so they don't slip when slackened. 


- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "M Bod" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 8:38:35 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system 

Yes. Used those hooks too. You need to tension the line before you measure and 
leave room for more stretch. 

Joel 

On Friday, July 11, 2014, M Bod via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Anyone try dynemma for lifelines? 
I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech 
line. 

http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html
 

Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. 
But would there be other issues? 
Chafe on sails? 
Chafe at stantions? 
Hard to adjust length? 

My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not 
sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally. 

Thoughts? 

Mark 
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Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I put shroud covers over the lines where the jib crosses the lifeline to
protect the sails.

Joel

On Friday, July 11, 2014, Chuck S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I did the Amsteel 1/4" lines.  At first I used a fid I made from a large
> hollow darning needle, but later learned to use a simpler coat hanger to
> pull the end through.  I followed Samson's method to taper the end and
> measured the bury to about 22" I think.  They give you fid lengths that
> equate to that length for 1/4" line.  I made luggage tag eyes in either end
> of line.
>
>
> http://www.samsonrope.com/Documents/Splice%20Instructions/12Strand_C2_Eye%20Splice_JUL2012_WEB.pdf
>
> I reused my turnbuckles and replaced the swaged ends w eyes from Johnson.
> I wound up w turnbuckles at one end of each line and the Gate Pelican hooks
> too.  But if I ever redo them, I'll emilinate turnbuckles and rely on
> the pelican hooks for final tension.
>
> To pull the line through the stanchion eye, use a small 1/8" inch braided
> line about a foot long.  Put a loop of small line through the eye of
> amsteel, then insert the two ends of small line through the stanchion hole
> and pull it through to the other side, pulling the Amsteel eye after.  This
> method is so easy, you can remove the lifelines in winter to double the
> life.  The coiled lines can be labelled and fit easily into a plastic
> shopping bag and stored inside the boat.
>
> Lastly, get your tension right before stitching locking stitches into each
> eye, so they don't slip when slackened.
>
>
> --
> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  >
> *To: *"M Bod"  >, "CNC boat
> owners, cnc-list"  >
> *Sent: *Friday, July 11, 2014 8:38:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline
> system
>
> Yes. Used those hooks too. You need to tension the line before you measure
> and leave room for more stretch.
>
> Joel
>
> On Friday, July 11, 2014, M Bod via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
>> Anyone try dynemma for lifelines?
>> I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high
>> tech line.
>>
>>
>> http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html
>>
>> Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed.
>> But would there be other issues?
>> Chafe on sails?
>> Chafe at stantions?
>> Hard to adjust length?
>>
>> My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum.
>> Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Mark
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>>
>
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Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

You are welcome to use my mooring if I am not on it.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

j...@dellabarba.com

From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:20 PM
To: Joe Della Barba; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

 

Gotta visit Corsica River one of these weekends.

My crew seems more focused on anchoring out, swims, kayaking, and sightseeing 
close to Broad Creek.

We will explore more as we get used to this new to us way of cruising.

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

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To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:41:10 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

 

Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was 
purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 
4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard C&C, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina 
spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming 
to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time 
this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years 
when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it 
has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows 
again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky.

OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive upstream 
and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM
To: j...@dellabarba.com  ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft

 

I agree Joe.  

That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 18 
ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too 
shallow for us.  Can't change that.  I respect your choice but prefer mine for 
me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs.  It's good they make 
different flavors.  

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. 
They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc….

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

 

From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
To: j...@dellabarba.com  ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing.  Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing.  

 

A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off.  The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft.  The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just sayin.

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best.

I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel 
off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At 
least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value 
of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent 
them the lead you removed.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

 

Steve,

 

As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I would 
not