Re: Stus-List Datamarine Auction (Della Barba, Joe)

[Davidmidkiff]

$225.00

 

David E Midkiff

(757) 270-9897

 

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Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa - Insurance

[Hoyt, Mike]

Congratulations!

 

A new genoa for $400 is an outstanding deal!  

 

Mike

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of prf680
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:23 AM
To: 1 CnC List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa - Insurance

 

So I did get word fom the adjuster of a revised settlement. I've ordered a 140 
genoa from a local loft - either made here locally or down in the US. My out of 
pocket cost will be about $400. The loft matched the North sails 20% Vancouver 
boat show discount.

 

Now all I have to do is get my furler sorted ... as per my separate posts on 
the subject.




 Original message 
From: Peter Fell  
Date: 12-30-2013 9:29 AM (GMT-08:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa - Insurance 



Thanks Mike

 

Unfortunately while I have a lot of documentation from the previous owner, such 
as his logbook (he purchased the boat in 2004) ... no receipts for the sail. 
The boat was an estate sale so what I got is all I will get (I did ask the 
widow during the purchase process if there was any additional documentation). I 
also quizzed the PO’s last sailing partner, who was a wealth of info and had 
worked on several larger projects on the boat (e.g. electric windlass 
installation).

 

I think I shall do some boat show sail shopping ... and insurance (but that 
will have to wait till September).

 

Peter

 

From: Hoyt, Mike   

Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 5:44 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa - Insurance

 

Peter

 

Once you have sorted this out you may wish to shop around your insurance which 
likely renews annually anyway.  I am currently with the "Mainstay Yacht Plan" 
(Fairway Insurance) and for sails it is as follows:

 

1 - 5 years old.  100% paid

6-10 years.  Owner pays 20%

11-15 years. Owner pays 25%

16-20 years.  Owner pays 35%

21-25 years. owner pays %50

25+  no coverage

 

Your sail was 10 years old - do you have receipts for previous owner?  Receipts 
would help with your ins co.  

 

A ten year old sail is not in any way comparablee to a new sail.  This is a 
roller furling 130% genoa on a C&C27-III.  I am guessing from that is the Go To 
sail for the boat and is well used over those ten years.  Sail shape will have 
been compromised and a new sail will be a delight

 

Regarding new sails.  Be careful what you buy.  There are some lofts that do 
not specialize in racing sails but make pretty good and reasonably fast sails 
anyway.  There are also lofts that make horrible sails.

 

Our boat came with many sails when we purchased in 2007. The newest was a 2004 
North Dacron Main 4800 Cruise.  It was three years old when we bought the boat. 
 This was made by North Sailes East in CT who also made an excellent roller 
furling 150 for the boat.  The main was absolutely horrible!  The draft pocket 
was huge and it was impossible to trim a decent shape into this sail.  PO paid 
$1682.22 for this sail in April 2004 and I used it twice and sold it for $300 
in 2011.  We used a 1995 UK Tape drive main in its place which was old but far 
far better- then we paid $3500 for a decent main sail in 2009.  The 1600 spent 
on this sail was a complete waste of money as the sail was useless and either a 
very poor design or a poor execution of a decent design.

 

You have a 27 mark 3 which has a rep as a tender boat.  You would benefit 
greatly from new flatter sails to keep the boat flat and fast.  I have been in 
the position of a tender boat with sails that seemed good but were older and 
bagged out.  The boat will heel excessively and you will be reefing or changing 
sails frequently.  A new sail with draft forward will transform a C&C 27-III

 

So speak to your adjuster and find a way for him to write the old sail off and 
consider what you get a discount on a new sail.

 

One final thing.  Watch the weather.  When big winds are predicted take the 
sail off the furler and store it in the boat.  Furled sails have a tendency to 
unfurl in a wind and get damaged.

 

Mike

 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:03 AM
To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wind Storm Damaged Genoa

Perhaps they should simply consider the sail damaged beyond repair and offer 
you the depreciated value less your deductible. That would likely leave you 
with a damaged sail and next to no cash. 

Rich


On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:34, "Peter Fell"  wrote:

From my point of view it is what is considered ‘reasonable’ ... that’s 
a definition as I think most would agree would be open to interpretation. If a 
$500 repair results in a end-product that will “not bring the sail back to 
pre-damage condition”, then can it be considered ‘reasonable’? Granted, we all 
tend to accept that many repair

Stus-List cold in the South

[Marek Dziedzic]

Dennis’s mentioning of Pensacola got me thinking how you guys are dealing with 
our kind of the weather down there. I think I saw below freezing  temperatures 
in New Orleans, Pensacola etc. and all along the E. coast (N of N. Florida).

Up here, the boats are on the hard, winterised and we are all quite used to the 
conditions (even if some of us don’t like them). My thoughts go to you (in 
somewhat paternalistic way; our Monday ski race was at –27C (-16 F) (though, 
“no racing suit” rule was invoked due to cold)).

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Re: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

[Stevan Plavsa]

I was going over John and Amanda Neal's website yesterday and reading about
their offshore expeditions. They mention that the leg from Vancouver up the
coast to Alaska is "one of their favourites". Combined I think they have
something like 750,000 sea miles between them so they know what they're
about. The first sailboat I was ever on was on the Island. We didn't get
the sails up that day but I saw a seal .. I didn't know it at the time but
that experience planted a seed.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Russ & Melody  wrote:

>  Hi Dennis,
>
> I wish that I knew you were coming into the area. It's only a couple o'
> hours for me on the ferry to get across (or 20 minutes by seaplane).
>
> Sorry about the snow levels, it's 10% of a good year on most of the
> mountains. No kidding.
> On the other hand, check real estate prices while you're in the area. You
> won't find them this high again in your lifetime or mine. :)
>
> The tides can be your friend, *Sweet *did 11.5 knots SOG through Race
> Passage a few years ago.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> east Vancouver Island
>
>
>
>
> At 06:20 PM 29/01/2014, you wrote:
>
> Wow!  I gotta say I'm a bit envious of the listers in the Vancouver area.
> Drove through there and up the Sea to Sky Highway Monday on the way to
> skiing Whistler/Blackcomb.
>
> Tides aside, it looks like some really gorgeous sailing territory.
> Awesome scenery.
>
> Really different from the Gulf Coast.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Stats on Topics

[OldSteveH]

Slow day in the office here so I did a quick tally of number of posts on
selected topics:

Out of the past 3 1/2 years of listgroup posts:

Main wins at 53.6%
Prop is close second at 47.8%
PFD and portlight are at the bottom at 2.7% and 1.9% respectively

Did I miss some good keywords? Boat sizes not easy since numbers show up
everywhere.
There did seem to be more 30 and 35 hits than other boat sizes.

Cheers,

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON

main1,735   53.6%
prop1,546   47.8%
mast1,440   44.5%
keel975 30.1%
weather  93729.0%
chart   643 19.9%
atomic/A462719.4%
genoa59118.3%
diesel  572 17.7%
spinnaker54716.9%
helm 54416.8%
fuel 53616.6%
rudder  534 16.5%
yanmar  518 16.0%
boom453 14.0%
gps 419 13.0%
reef413 12.8%
raymarine35010.8%
exhaust  34710.7%
chartplotter 2778.6%
garmin  211 6.5%
autopilot2046.3%
autohelm 2006.2%
chute   187 5.8%
nmea131 4.1%
pfd 86  2.7%
portlight63 1.9%
total  3,234



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Re: Stus-List Stats on Topics

[Tim Sippel]

Keyword : Bow Cow

Tim
 Toronto

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:19 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Stats on Topics

Slow day in the office here so I did a quick tally of number of posts on
selected topics:

Out of the past 3 1/2 years of listgroup posts:

Main wins at 53.6%
Prop is close second at 47.8%
PFD and portlight are at the bottom at 2.7% and 1.9% respectively

Did I miss some good keywords? Boat sizes not easy since numbers show up
everywhere.
There did seem to be more 30 and 35 hits than other boat sizes.

Cheers,

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON

main 1,735 53.6%
prop 1,546 47.8%
mast 1,440 44.5%
keel 975 30.1%
weather 937 29.0%
chart 643 19.9%
atomic/A4 627 19.4%
genoa 591 18.3%
diesel 572 17.7%
spinnaker 547 16.9%
helm 544 16.8%
fuel 536 16.6%
rudder 534 16.5%
yanmar 518 16.0%
boom 453 14.0%
gps 419 13.0%
reef 413 12.8%
raymarine 350 10.8%
exhaust 347 10.7%
chartplotter 277 8.6%
garmin 211 6.5%
autopilot 204 6.3%
autohelm 200 6.2%
chute 187 5.8%
nmea 131 4.1%
pfd 86 2.7%
portlight 63 1.9%
total   3,234



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Re: Stus-List Stats on Topics

[Rich Knowles]

Wiring. Electrical. ?

Rich

> On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:19, OldSteveH  wrote:
> 
> Slow day in the office here so I did a quick tally of number of posts on
> selected topics:
> 
> Out of the past 3 1/2 years of listgroup posts:
> 
> Main wins at 53.6%
> Prop is close second at 47.8%
> PFD and portlight are at the bottom at 2.7% and 1.9% respectively
> 
> Did I miss some good keywords? Boat sizes not easy since numbers show up
> everywhere.
> There did seem to be more 30 and 35 hits than other boat sizes.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
> 
> main1,73553.6%
> prop1,54647.8%
> mast1,44044.5%
> keel97530.1%
> weather 93729.0%
> chart64319.9%
> atomic/A4 62719.4%
> genoa 59118.3%
> diesel57217.7%
> spinnaker 54716.9%
> helm 54416.8%
> fuel 53616.6%
> rudder53416.5%
> yanmar51816.0%
> boom45314.0%
> gps41913.0%
> reef41312.8%
> raymarine 35010.8%
> exhaust 34710.7%
> chartplotter 2778.6%
> garmin2116.5%
> autopilot 2046.3%
> autohelm 2006.2%
> chute1875.8%
> nmea1314.1%
> pfd862.7%
> portlight 631.9%
> total   3,234
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel

[Stevan Plavsa]

I posted in the other thread praising my A4 but I did mention it was a
financial decision, used diesels commanding an unreasonable (IMO) premium
over the A4. An old motor is an old motor...

That being said, I would prefer to have a shiny new diesel any day. I
looked into the beta marine 20hp A4 replacement and it's an appealing
option. I'm not likely to re-power my 32 however as we're seriously
considering a departure from the rat race... and a new (old) boat.

On the topic of motoring into strong wind and waves .. we were off of
Kingston this summer motoring back west into a 20 to 25 knot headwind and
big square Lake Ontario chop .. 4 to 5 knots with the A4. I put the main up
with two reefs and picked up another half a knot or more, not so much for
powering the boat as balancing it for a smoother ride. Suhana did well that
day.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Peter Fell  wrote:

>   Keep in mind that a lot of the C&C's supposedly came with the
> 'Stevador' version of the A4, which had a restrictor plate in the intake
> manifold. My C&C 27 owner's manual (1980 version) lists them used up to the
> C&C 36. Horsepower on these 'Canadian' market A4's was limited to 15hp.
>
> I think you only get RPM's up in the 3000 range with the 2:1 drive on the
> A4, which again same source lists as being used on the C&C 34 and 36.
> 2-bladed props for those listed at 16x10.
>
> The spec, and general rule of thumb that I understand is that the A4 has
> to get up to 1800 rpm at hull speed.  I've read a lot of posts on Moyer's
> site, etc. where owners report maxing out at 2000 or so.
>
> The Indigo prop is a 3-blade 10-inch by 7.7-inch pitch bronze prop that
> maker claims gets WOT up to about 2400 rpm, with cruise in the 1900 range.
> The CDI 'perfect pitch' 2-blade 12 x 7 plastic propeller is the one that
> flexes down to about 12 x 6 with load .. Dennis you might have been
> thinking of that one.
>
> Now that all being said my '79 C&C 27 did not have the restrictor plate
> ... and is 1:1 and still has the original 11x7 2-blade fixed prop.  I don't
> have a tach (yet) so I can't give you any data.
>
> Personally I'm contemplating a Flex-o-fold for mine ... they recommend a
> 12x7 2-blade at $1030 (US) including shipping. Maybe the Indigo ($350).
> But probably not this year though ... I'll put a tach in a and gather some
> baseline data 1st.
>
> ANYWAY  to the OP - keep your eye out. I obtained an entire A4
> freshwater cooled parts engine for the cost of a good bottle of scotch and
> a bottle of gin!
>
>
>
>  *From:* Dennis C. 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:37 PM
> *To:* Cn Clist 
> *Subject:* Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel
>
>  Explosivity of gasoline? - No
> Increased fuel economy? - Maybe
> Torque/horsepower? - Yes
>
> The AT4 is rated at 28-30 hp at nearly 3000 rpm.  The AT4 torque/hp curve
> is fairly steep.  That is, at 1400 rpm, the AT4 is only generating 12 hp or
> so.  At 2400 rpm, it's about 20 hp.  Torque follows hp closely.
>
> Most marine AT4's have a 1:1 tranny.  That means, in order to generate 30
> hp, the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm.  That's why AT4 props are usually
> pitched around 6.  Exclusive of the Indogo prop which has a somewhat
> flexible pitch, at 3000 rpm in heavy seas, most likely, the prop will be
> cavitating and not efficiently transferring the horsepower to the water.
>
> On the other hand, diesel torque curves are fairly flat.  A Universal
> 25XPB reaches max torque at 2000 rpm.  With a 2:1 reduction tranny, the
> prop is only spinning 1000 rpm.  Diesel props are pitched around 14-15.
> You get a lot more bite with a higher pitch prop.
>
> In practical terms, imagine you are punching into 2-4 foot seas.  With an
> AT4, you might make 2-3 knots and a LOT of bubbles.  (Been there, done
> that.  Touche' had an AT4 when I bought it.)  With a diesel, you might be
> making 4-5 knots.  BIG difference.
>
> Let me relate another experience.  One day we were struggling against
> 20-25 knots and 1-2 foot seas in Touche' (35-1) with the AT4.  We were
> making 2-3 knots.  My friend came by us in his 35-1.  He was making 5-6
> knots.  His 35-1 had a Universal 25 XPB with a 14 x 14 2 blade folding
> Martec prop.  Even with the folding prop, he was waaay faster than us.
>
> After I repowered Touche' I had to motor off a lee shore in a tropical
> storm.  45 knots and 2-3 foot seas.  I cringe at the thought of having to
> do that with an AT4.
>
> Before the repower, I had to carry extra fuel or stop halfway to refuel on
> my way to Pensacola from Lake Pontchartrain.  Now I can make it all the way
> motoring if I don't run hard.
>
> Please don't take me wrong.  I like the AT4.  I respect the AT4.  I've
> owned 2 of them.  I think it's a great engine for motoring in and out of a
> harbor.  I don't think it's a great engine for certain white knuckle
> situations or for motoring long distances.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Man

Re: Stus-List Stats on Topics

[Edd Schillay]

How did “mounting bikinis” rank?



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website

On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Wiring. Electrical. ?
> 
> Rich
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:19, OldSteveH  wrote:
>> 
>> Slow day in the office here so I did a quick tally of number of posts on
>> selected topics:
>> 
>> Out of the past 3 1/2 years of listgroup posts:
>> 
>> Main wins at 53.6%
>> Prop is close second at 47.8%
>> PFD and portlight are at the bottom at 2.7% and 1.9% respectively
>> 
>> Did I miss some good keywords? Boat sizes not easy since numbers show up
>> everywhere.
>> There did seem to be more 30 and 35 hits than other boat sizes.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Steve Hood
>> S/V Diamond Girl
>> C&C 34
>> Lions Head ON
>> 
>> main1,73553.6%
>> prop1,54647.8%
>> mast1,44044.5%
>> keel97530.1%
>> weather 93729.0%
>> chart64319.9%
>> atomic/A4 62719.4%
>> genoa 59118.3%
>> diesel57217.7%
>> spinnaker 54716.9%
>> helm 54416.8%
>> fuel 53616.6%
>> rudder53416.5%
>> yanmar51816.0%
>> boom45314.0%
>> gps41913.0%
>> reef41312.8%
>> raymarine 35010.8%
>> exhaust 34710.7%
>> chartplotter 2778.6%
>> garmin2116.5%
>> autopilot 2046.3%
>> autohelm 2006.2%
>> chute1875.8%
>> nmea1314.1%
>> pfd862.7%
>> portlight 631.9%
>> total   3,234
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List cold in the South

[Dennis C.]

Marek,

How do we deal with it?  The short answer is "not well".  :)

It's colder in Louisiana than up here Whistler.  The Admiral at the house in 
Baton Rouge tells me the town is pretty much shut down.  She sent me pics of 
our driveway covered with a sheet of ice.  She said this morning that it's 
beginning to melt and that it may reach 50 today.
  
South Louisiana is ill equipped to deal with ice and snow.  Because those 
conditions occur so infrequently, the authorities don't have the equipment to 
deal with it so everything just shuts down.  No snowplows, no gravel spreaders, 
no de-icing equipment.
  
There are always a few dumb rednecks or Coonasses that think they can drive on 
ice.  There are lots of accidents to screw things up.  No all season tires.

Then there are the architectural considerations such as outside faucets that 
need to be protected.  They're not set well into the building.  Pipes that run 
in outside walls that will freeze.  Local plumbers love these conditions.

As for the boats, it won't get cold enough to take any precautions if the boat 
is in the water.  Powerboats on trailers might need to protect engine blocks if 
they're raw water cooled.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




>
> From: Marek Dziedzic 
>To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:33 AM
>Subject: Stus-List cold in the South
> 
>
>
>Dennis’s mentioning of Pensacola got me thinking how you guys are dealing 
with our kind of the weather down there. I think I saw below freezing  
temperatures in New Orleans, Pensacola etc. and all along the E. coast (N of N. 
Florida).
> 
>Up here, the boats are on the hard, winterised and we are all quite used to 
the conditions (even if some of us don’t like them). My thoughts go to you (in 
somewhat paternalistic way; our Monday ski race was at –27C (-16 F) (though, 
“no 
racing suit” rule was invoked due to cold)).
> 
>Marek (in Ottawa)
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Re: Stus-List Stats on Topics

[Frederick G Street]

And “Electronics”.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Wiring. Electrical. ?
> 
> Rich

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Re: Stus-List cold in the South

[Frederick G Street]

Except in their drinks…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:

> South Louisiana is ill equipped to deal with ice...

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Re: Stus-List slapping wires/halyards

[Neil Andersen]

Steve,

 

That is a great idea.  I would think if you stagger the Zip Ties (around the
clock looking down on the wire) every 90 degrees, you would end up with your
wires running down close to the middle and create 4 smaller channels for the
halyards.  That would reduce the amount of movement of the halyards.

 

With you installation, have you found any abrasion on the halyards in your
mast?

 

Neil

FoxFire, 1982 C&C32

Worton Creek, MD

 

From: Stevan Plavsa [mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:30 PM
To: neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com
Subject: slapping wires/halyards

 

Hi Neil,

 

I own a 32 and when I re-wired my mast I used the largest zip ties I could
find and zipped them around the wire every couple of feet as I fed it in.
Once inside the mast the long zip tie "tails" press against the inner walls
of the mast and they do help. I don't know what to do about halyards though.

 

Hope that's helpful.

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto

 

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Re: Stus-List cold in the South

[sthoma20]

Been sitting on a friends boat in Titusville for the past week, either fixing 
and provisioning, or waiting for weather. Didn't quite freeze here but got down 
to 36 F a few times. Cold and wet, not how I usually picture Florida weather.  
Talked to a guy yesterday who said that his son lives in Arizona. Lots of burst 
water pipes there. 
 
Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
 
From: dziedzi...@hotmail.com
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:33:47 -0500
Subject: Stus-List cold in the South





Dennis’s mentioning of Pensacola got me thinking how you guys are dealing 
with our kind of the weather down there. I think I saw below freezing  
temperatures in New Orleans, Pensacola etc. and all along the E. coast (N of N. 
Florida).
 
Up here, the boats are on the hard, winterised and we are all quite used to 
the conditions (even if some of us don’t like them). My thoughts go to you (in 
somewhat paternalistic way; our Monday ski race was at –27C (-16 F) (though, 
“no 
racing suit” rule was invoked due to cold)).
 
Marek (in Ottawa)

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Re: Stus-List cold in the South

[Ed Levert]

A first hand report from the Big Easy.

The lowest overnight temperature at my home in the city proper was 28F. I am 
sure that will draw laughs and it should. The architectural consideration, as 
Dennis puts it, that I live in is about as porous as a 20 year old spinnaker. 
58F downstairs this morning. Lower 70's predicted for Saturday and Sunday so 
sailing is on the agenda. That is the plus for putting up with our cold weather 
faults!

Local governments graded out better than those in Atlanta and Birmingham. 
Doomsday reports brought timely closure of businesses, schools and the like.

If you look at a chart and then a road map, New Orleans becomes an island. Only 
one 2 lane highway, River Road, leads from city proper at ground level. All 
other approaches to the city cross swamp land, the Mississippi River  Spillway 
system, the river, Lake Pontchartrain, and its passes on elevated highways or 
bridges that have 65'  or more clearances. A few were apparently artificially 
kept open, the remaining were iced over. We simply do not plan for de-icing the 
24 mile long Causeway Bridge spanning the lake.

Ed
Briar Patch C&C 34
New Orleans









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Dziedzic
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:34 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List cold in the South

Dennis’s mentioning of Pensacola got me thinking how you guys are dealing with 
our kind of the weather down there. I think I saw below freezing  temperatures 
in New Orleans, Pensacola etc. and all along the E. coast (N of N. Florida).

Up here, the boats are on the hard, winterised and we are all quite used to the 
conditions (even if some of us don’t like them). My thoughts go to you (in 
somewhat paternalistic way; our Monday ski race was at –27C (-16 F) (though, 
“no racing suit” rule was invoked due to cold)).

Marek (in Ottawa)
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Re: Stus-List Stats on Topics

[bobmor99 .]

odor vs. odour ?
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Re: Stus-List Stats on Topics

[Ronald B. Frerker]

You have way too much time on your hands!
But how did you end up over 100%?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30
STL




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Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:49 AM
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odor vs. odour ?

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Stus-List Stella Blue Contact

[Maturo, John]

Louisa Inlet as a good example of 
the scenery.

>From Olympia Washington to SE Alaska the PNW offers +-1,000 miles of mostly 
>awesome inshore cruising.  After 30 year of cruising I have not run out of 
>excellent places to go.

Yup, big tides, cold water but I would not permanently trade it for anywhere 
else.  Hawaii, nowhere to go once there, Tonga and New Zealand, after a few 
months you will be repeating anchorages, San Francisco, awesome racing but 
where do you go to cruise besides the delta, So Cal, nice light air racing.

I have yet to cruise Mexico so I do not offer a comparison but I am confident 
other C&C lister's will chime in.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:21 PM
To: Cn Clist
Subject: Stus-List Sailing venue envy - Vancouver area

Wow!  I gotta say I'm a bit envious of the listers in the Vancouver area.  
Drove through there and up the Sea to Sky Highway Monday on the way to skiing 
Whistler/Blackcomb.

Tides aside, it looks like some really gorgeous sailing territory.  Awesome 
scenery.

Really different from the Gulf Coast.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 03:05:51 GMT
From: "djhaug...@juno.com" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
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my guess it you'll be getting a plain packaging on the replacement and they 
wanted you to have all your original packaging as they weren't going to be 
using it.  

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From: Harry Hallgring 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:05:49 -0500


So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire 
last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown 
cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside which 
was empty. Odd???

Harry Sent from my old iPhone
On Jan 28, 2014, at 16:04, Chuck S  wrote:

Hi Joel,
What a great offer and I'm think it's very cool you present it to the C&C 
owner's list!  I'm interested but I get very limited time off from work.  
Your plan is to leave Bermuda, June 15th and 16th?  
Q1.  When do you plan on reaching Norfolk?  June 24, 25?
Q2.  Do you want crew to disembark in Norfolk or stay on and help reach 
Annapolis?
Q3.  Boat name and C&C model?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJFrom: "Joel Aronson" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:12:38 PM
Subject: Stus-List Delivery crew needed Bermuda to Annapolis

All, My race crew for the Annapolis to Bermuda race is all set, and includes 3 
fellow C&C owners.  I'm looking for 1 or 2 sailors to help with the return 
trip.  The plan is to leave June 15 or 16 and sail to Annapolis via Norfolk (to 
clear Customs).  If you are interested in joining us for the return, please 
contact me off-list. -- 
Joel 
301 541 8551joel.aron...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List cold in the South

[Curtis]

Cold here in Beaufort SC.
I still think God made ice for mixed drinks, not for people to live in.
I will be on Charter in the BVI in April. I can't wate


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Ed Levert  wrote:

>  A first hand report from the Big Easy.
>
>
>
> The lowest overnight temperature at my home in the city proper was 28F. I
> am sure that will draw laughs and it should. The architectural
> consideration, as Dennis puts it, that I live in is about as porous as a 20
> year old spinnaker. 58F downstairs this morning. Lower 70's predicted for
> Saturday and Sunday so sailing is on the agenda. That is the plus for
> putting up with our cold weather faults!
>
>
>
> Local governments graded out better than those in Atlanta and Birmingham.
> Doomsday reports brought timely closure of businesses, schools and the
> like.
>
>
>
> If you look at a chart and then a road map, New Orleans becomes an island.
> Only one 2 lane highway, River Road, leads from city proper at ground
> level. All other approaches to the city cross swamp land, the Mississippi
> River  Spillway system, the river, Lake Pontchartrain, and its passes on
> elevated highways or bridges that have 65'  or more clearances. A few were
> apparently artificially kept open, the remaining were iced over. We simply
> do not plan for de-icing the 24 mile long Causeway Bridge spanning the
> lake.
>
>
>
> Ed
>
> Briar Patch C&C 34
>
> New Orleans
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Marek
> Dziedzic
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:34 AM
> *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>
> *Subject:* Stus-List cold in the South
>
>
>
> Dennis's mentioning of Pensacola got me thinking how you guys are dealing
> with our kind of the weather down there. I think I saw below freezing
> temperatures in New Orleans, Pensacola etc. and all along the E. coast (N
> of N. Florida).
>
>
>
> Up here, the boats are on the hard, winterised and we are all quite used
> to the conditions (even if some of us don't like them). My thoughts go to
> you (in somewhat paternalistic way; our Monday ski race was at -27C (-16 F)
> (though, "no racing suit" rule was invoked due to cold)).
>
>
>
> Marek (in Ottawa)
>
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Michael Brown]

I remember the story, an tragic series of events. It stuck out because one of 
the injured was Michael Brown.

Quote 1)
A mechanical problem is being blamed for last night's deadly boat  explosion at 
the Erie Yacht Club. One woman was killed, and 5 people  remain hospitalized, 
including Aaron Hertel and Michael Brown, co-owners  of a local physical 
therapy business. The blast claimed the life of 25  year old Erin Carlisle, a 
passenger on the boat. Coroner Lyell Cook  said, "There were surface burns, 
blunt force trauma. There is evidence  there was inhalation of the super heated 
gases." The explosion Monday  night happened just after the boat was gassed up 
at the fuel dock at the  Erie Yacht Club.  Witness Lou Richards said, "I knew 
it was terrible  from the beginning because I saw debris flying above the tops 
of the  masts of the sailboats, probably 100 feet in the air."Investigators say 
 the boat had been having some mechanical problems, and apparently that  led to 
the explosion by allowing vapors to stay in the engine  compartment. A spark 
from the throttle apparently touched off the blast  which was so powerful the 
deck separated from the boat. Chief Fire  Inspector Guy Santone said, " So when 
he went to try to start it it  would not start the first or second time. So he 
hit the throttle to try  to give it some more gas. When he hit it the third 
time there was a back  fire and then the explosion occurred."

quote 2)
A powerboat that was damaged by an explosion at Pennsylvania’s Erie  Yacht Club 
had mechanical problems before the accident, which killed a  25-year-old woman 
and injured five other people, according to Erie’s  chief fire inspector.
The problems apparently started when the gas pump kept shutting off  as an 
attendant filled the second of two gas tanks on the 32-foot  Wellcraft, Guy 
Santone told the Erie Times-News.
They resulted in an explosion that killed Erin Carlisle, of Erie, and  injured 
the gas attendant and four people on the boat, including owner  Aaron Hertel 
and Hertel’s 2-year-old son.
An investigation into the cause of the blast revealed a faulty gasket  in the 
boat’s right tank that investigators believe “gave way,” Santone  said. That 
allowed gas fumes to enter the engine compartment instead of  going out of the 
boat, he added.
The buildup of fumes fueled an explosion that investigators believe  was set 
off when the boat backfired as Hertel tried to start it, Santone  said.
The boat, named Jimmy Time, was split in half by the force of the explosion, 
which occurred Monday, he said.
Investigators said they believe Hertel had owned the boat for a  little more 
than a week and that Monday night was the first time he had  filled its tanks 
since he bought the vessel.
The ongoing investigation will include trying to obtain records from the boat’s 
previous owner, Santone said.


Randomly I could smell gas on Windburn, very faint and usually after a heavy 
weather race. I did replace the fill and vent hose, then the fuel line. 
Replaced and tightened the clamps.
Started turning off the fuel valve on the tank. Still persisted.

Figured out that at some point with a PO the fuel sensor had been replaced, and 
the mechanic installed a "blind hole" unit instead of a "through hole" unit. 
The five screws that
were used to fasten down the mounting ring went through the tank wall, but 
there was no sealing of the screw body to the mounting ring. So gasoline would 
seep along the threads
and escape, mainly in rough conditions heeled to starboard. The correct kit, 
which does not mention the distinction, is labeled "Includes 5 Self-Sealing 
Screws".

My fix was to use larger machine screws with a neoprene washer / seal fed 
upwards from inside the tank. I did so because the threads in the tank wall 
were getting worn. The mounting
ring and sender plate then fastened down with gaskets and nuts. No more leaks.

A discussion at a couple of marine stores lead me to assume the staff did not 
know there was any difference in senders, and did not stock the through hole 
model.

For me the correct part is Moeller 35728-10, less than $10 at West Marine.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1




Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:50:15 -0500 
From: "Bill Coleman"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 
Message-ID: <0ce501cf1d3c$189c1840$49d448c0$@net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 
 
3 1/2 years ago we had a bad blowup at the gas dock (Erie) 
I heard a KaBoom and looked up to see parts flying 50 feet above the gas 
dock. 
Several very bad burns, and one of the bur victim's young bride down below 
was killed.  Still in litigation, suspect bad vent hoses, I think.  
I don't want anything to do with Gasoline, I'm forgetful enough without 
something else to remember. 
 
Bill Coleman 
C&C 39  
 
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Re: Stus-List Stats on Topics

[OldSteveH]

wiring  360 11.1%
electronic  262 8.1%
electrical  392 12.1%
teak360 11.1%
balsa   145 4.5%
delam   84  2.6%
bikini  19  0.6%


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:07:04 -0500
From: Edd Schillay 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stats on Topics
Message-ID: <58767632-3699-467f-856a-d086cd5d8...@schillay.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

How did ?mounting bikinis? rank?



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website

On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Wiring. Electrical. ?
> 
> Rich
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:19, OldSteveH  wrote:
>> 
>> Slow day in the office here so I did a quick tally of number of posts on
>> selected topics:
>> 
>> Out of the past 3 1/2 years of listgroup posts:
>> 
>> Main wins at 53.6%
>> Prop is close second at 47.8%
>> PFD and portlight are at the bottom at 2.7% and 1.9% respectively
>> 
>> Did I miss some good keywords? Boat sizes not easy since numbers show up
>> everywhere.
>> There did seem to be more 30 and 35 hits than other boat sizes.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Steve Hood
>> S/V Diamond Girl
>> C&C 34
>> Lions Head ON
>> 
>> main1,73553.6%
>> prop1,54647.8%
>> mast1,44044.5%
>> keel97530.1%
>> weather 93729.0%
>> chart64319.9%
>> atomic/A4 62719.4%
>> genoa 59118.3%
>> diesel57217.7%
>> spinnaker 54716.9%
>> helm 54416.8%
>> fuel 53616.6%
>> rudder53416.5%
>> yanmar51816.0%
>> boom45314.0%
>> gps41913.0%
>> reef41312.8%
>> raymarine 35010.8%
>> exhaust 34710.7%
>> chartplotter 2778.6%
>> garmin2116.5%
>> autopilot 2046.3%
>> autohelm 2006.2%
>> chute1875.8%
>> nmea1314.1%
>> pfd862.7%
>> portlight 631.9%
>> total   3,234
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel

[Della Barba, Joe]

Yes -  are a big factor here. I replaced my engine for $1500 and one day's 
work. No way to even come close to that with a new diesel.
The other big thing is comparing like with like. A brand new Moyer A4 would be 
vastly superior to the original diesel that some 35 MK 1s came with back in 
1973. That engine was maybe 15 HP and no parts at all are available for it as 
far as I know. OTOH a newish diesel is WAY better than an ancient A4 that 
should have been rebuilt a decade ago.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel

I posted in the other thread praising my A4 but I did mention it was a 
financial decision, used diesels commanding an unreasonable (IMO) premium over 
the A4. An old motor is an old motor...

That being said, I would prefer to have a shiny new diesel any day. I looked 
into the beta marine 20hp A4 replacement and it's an appealing option. I'm not 
likely to re-power my 32 however as we're seriously considering a departure 
from the rat race... and a new (old) boat.

On the topic of motoring into strong wind and waves .. we were off of Kingston 
this summer motoring back west into a 20 to 25 knot headwind and big square 
Lake Ontario chop .. 4 to 5 knots with the A4. I put the main up with two reefs 
and picked up another half a knot or more, not so much for powering the boat as 
balancing it for a smoother ride. Suhana did well that day.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Della Barba, Joe]

Explosions: I think at least 90% of the boats in the USA with engines have 
gasoline engines, so the explosion rate is quite low.
That said, if you have an older C&C – at least up to 1973 and maybe quite a bit 
past that – with a gasoline engine and original fuel system components YOU ARE 
STANDING INTO DANGER.
The original fuel lines are NOT ethanol compatible. This included the FILL and 
the VENT lines, not just the supply line. My fill line was dissolving from the 
inside out.
The original tanks, at least in 1973, were ternplate steel and they will rust 
through from the inside out.
The 35 MK I uses an elbow fitting on the fuel fill that is made from a hardware 
store rubber elbow that looks like it is for a sink or a drainpipe and a piece 
of copper pipe. It is not even CLOSE to being rated for fuel and mine came 
apart.

A C&C 35 MK I did explode and burn a few years ago and I bet the fuel elbow 
fitting was the cause.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Atomic 4

[Stevan Plavsa]

One of the first things I did after buying Suhana was replace the fuel fill
and vent. Fuel lines were replaced at some time but I'm doing them again in
the spring when I install the racor.

I ALWAYS sniff test the bilge, run the blower and send everyone up on deck
when starting. I figure it's better to be blown off the boat than be inside
the cabin should anything happen.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Della Barba, Joe
wrote:

> Explosions: I think at least 90% of the boats in the USA with engines have
> gasoline engines, so the explosion rate is quite low.
>
> That said, if you have an older C&C - at least up to 1973 and maybe quite
> a bit past that - with a gasoline engine and original fuel system
> components YOU ARE STANDING INTO DANGER.
>
> The original fuel lines are NOT ethanol compatible. This included the FILL
> and the VENT lines, not just the supply line. My fill line was dissolving
> from the inside out.
>
> The original tanks, at least in 1973, were ternplate steel and they will
> rust through from the inside out.
>
> The 35 MK I uses an elbow fitting on the fuel fill that is made from a
> hardware store rubber elbow that looks like it is for a sink or a drainpipe
> and a piece of copper pipe. It is not even CLOSE to being rated for fuel
> and mine came apart.
>
>
>
> A C&C 35 MK I did explode and burn a few years ago and I bet the fuel
> elbow fitting was the cause.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
> *C&C 35 MK I*
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Re: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to an electric

[Jerome Tauber]

Elco EP-1200

Elco's EP Motor is the first fully integrated electric boat motor and 
propulsion system. Available in AC technology, Elco brings reliability, 
durability, and high efficiency together with ease of both use and 
installation. The system is ideally suited for sailboats as well as yacht 
tenders, trawlers, catamarans and launches.  Elco offers six EP Motor Models 
from 6 to 100 Horsepower.
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2014 11:09 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel


I posted in the other thread praising my A4 but I did mention it was a 
financial decision, used diesels commanding an unreasonable (IMO) premium over 
the A4. An old motor is an old motor...


That being said, I would prefer to have a shiny new diesel any day. I looked 
into the beta marine 20hp A4 replacement and it's an appealing option. I'm not 
likely to re-power my 32 however as we're seriously considering a departure 
from the rat race... and a new (old) boat. 


On the topic of motoring into strong wind and waves .. we were off of Kingston 
this summer motoring back west into a 20 to 25 knot headwind and big square 
Lake Ontario chop .. 4 to 5 knots with the A4. I put the main up with two reefs 
and picked up another half a knot or more, not so much for powering the boat as 
balancing it for a smoother ride. Suhana did well that day.


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto






On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Peter Fell  wrote:



Keep in mind that a lot of the C&C’s supposedly came with the ‘Stevador’ 
version of the A4, which had a restrictor plate in the intake manifold. My C&C 
27 owner’s manual (1980 version) lists them used up to the C&C 36. Horsepower 
on these ‘Canadian’ market A4’s was limited to 15hp.
 
I think you only get RPM’s up in the 3000 range with the 2:1 drive on the A4, 
which again same source lists as being used on the C&C 34 and 36. 2-bladed 
props for those listed at 16x10.
 
The spec, and general rule of thumb that I understand is that the A4 has to get 
up to 1800 rpm at hull speed.  I’ve read a lot of posts on Moyer’s site, etc. 
where owners report maxing out at 2000 or so.
 
The Indigo prop is a 3-blade 10-inch by 7.7-inch pitch bronze prop that maker 
claims gets WOT up to about 2400 rpm, with cruise in the 1900 range. The CDI 
‘perfect pitch’ 2-blade 12 x 7 plastic propeller is the one that flexes down to 
about 12 x 6 with load .. Dennis you might have been thinking of that one.
 
Now that all being said my ‘79 C&C 27 did not have the restrictor plate ... and 
is 1:1 and still has the original 11x7 2-blade fixed prop.  I don’t have a tach 
(yet) so I can’t give you any data.
 
Personally I’m contemplating a Flex-o-fold for mine ... they recommend a 12x7 
2-blade at $1030 (US) including shipping. Maybe the Indigo ($350).  But 
probably not this year though ... I’ll put a tach in a and gather some baseline 
data 1st.
 
ANYWAY  to the OP – keep your eye out. I obtained an entire A4 freshwater 
cooled parts engine for the cost of a good bottle of scotch and a bottle of gin!
 
 

 

From: Dennis C. 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:37 PM

To: Cn Clist 
Subject: Stus-List The real reason to switch from an AT4 to a diesel


 


Explosivity of gasoline? - No
Increased fuel economy? - Maybe
Torque/horsepower? - Yes
 
The AT4 is rated at 28-30 hp at nearly 3000 rpm.  The AT4 torque/hp curve is 
fairly steep.  That is, at 1400 rpm, the AT4 is only generating 12 hp or so.  
At 2400 rpm, it's about 20 hp.  Torque follows hp closely.
 
Most marine AT4's have a 1:1 tranny.  That means, in order to generate 30 hp, 
the prop is spinning at 3000 rpm.  That's why AT4 props are usually pitched 
around 6.  Exclusive of the Indogo prop which has a somewhat flexible pitch, at 
3000 rpm in heavy seas, most likely, the prop will be cavitating and not 
efficiently transferring the horsepower to the water.
 
On the other hand, diesel torque curves are fairly flat.  A Universal 25XPB 
reaches max torque at 2000 rpm.  With a 2:1 reduction tranny, the prop is only 
spinning 1000 rpm.  Diesel props are pitched around 14-15.  You get a lot more 
bite with a higher pitch prop.
 
In practical terms, imagine you are punching into 2-4 foot seas.  With an AT4, 
you might make 2-3 knots and a LOT of bubbles.  (Been there, done that.  
Touche' had an AT4 when I bought it.)  With a diesel, you might be making 4-5 
knots.  BIG difference.
 
Let me relate another experience.  One day we were struggling against 20-25 
knots and 1-2 foot seas in Touche' (35-1) with the AT4.  We were making 2-3 
knots.  My friend came by us in his 35-1.  He was making 5-6 knots.  His 35-1 
had a Universal 25 XPB with a 14 x 14 2 blade folding Martec prop.  Even with 
the folding prop, he was waaay faster than us.


After I repowered Touche' I had to motor off a lee shore in a tropical storm.  
45 knots and 

Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Harry Hallgring]

Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back to 
them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from Ohio 
today. 

Harry

Sent from my old iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey  wrote:
> 
> At least it was prompt service.
>  
> From: Harry Hallgring
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>  
> So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire 
> last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown 
> cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside 
> which was empty. Odd???
> 
> Harry
>  
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Harry Hallgring]

Thanks Andy!  Stop by at 4pm someday...I have a plan:)

Harry

Sent from my old iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:07, Andrew Burton  wrote:
> 
> That's pretty considerate. I've had good experiences dealing with them 
> recently, too.
> I was up at NEB the other day 
> and was admiring a gorgeous boat. Then I got a different angle and saw her 
> name, "Mirage." She looks fabulous, Harry.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Harry Hallgring  
>> wrote:
>> Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back to 
>> them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from Ohio 
>> today. 
>> 
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> Sent from my old iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> At least it was prompt service.
>>>  
>>> From: Harry Hallgring
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>>>  
>>> So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire 
>>> last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown  
>>> cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside 
>>> which was empty. Odd???
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>>  
>>> Sent from my old iPhone
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Frederick G Street]

A shame they didn’t tell you that in advance, to save on a heart attack… but a 
good thing your e7 didn’t just evaporate between New Hampshire and your home.   
:^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 30, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Harry Hallgring  wrote:

> Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back to 
> them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from Ohio 
> today. 
> 
> Harry

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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Andrew Burton]

That's pretty considerate. I've had good experiences dealing with them
recently, too.
I was up at NEB the other day
and was admiring a gorgeous boat. Then I got a different angle and saw her
name, "Mirage." She looks fabulous, Harry.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:

> Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back
> to them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from
> Ohio today.
>
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my old iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey  wrote:
>
>  At least it was prompt service.
>
>  *From:* Harry Hallgring 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>
>  So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New
> Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger
> brown cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box
> inside which was empty. Odd???
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my old iPhone
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Andrew Burton]

Maybe tomorrow?



On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:

> Thanks Andy!  Stop by at 4pm someday...I have a plan:)
>
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my old iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:07, Andrew Burton 
> wrote:
>
> That's pretty considerate. I've had good experiences dealing with them
> recently, too.
> I was up at NEB the other day
> and was admiring a gorgeous boat. Then I got a different angle and saw her
> name, "Mirage." She looks fabulous, Harry.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:
>
>> Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back
>> to them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from
>> Ohio today.
>>
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Sent from my old iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey  wrote:
>>
>>  At least it was prompt service.
>>
>>  *From:* Harry Hallgring 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>>
>>  So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New
>> Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger
>> brown cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box
>> inside which was empty. Odd???
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Sent from my old iPhone
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Harry Hallgring]

That may work!

Harry

Sent from my old iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:13, Andrew Burton  wrote:
> 
> Maybe tomorrow?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Harry Hallgring  
>> wrote:
>> Thanks Andy!  Stop by at 4pm someday...I have a plan:)
>> 
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> Sent from my old iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:07, Andrew Burton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's pretty considerate. I've had good experiences dealing with them 
>>> recently, too.
>>> I was up at NEB the other day 
>>> and was admiring a gorgeous boat. Then I got a different angle and saw her 
>>> name, "Mirage." She looks fabulous, Harry.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Harry Hallgring  
 wrote:
 Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back 
 to them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from 
 Ohio today. 
 
 
 Harry
 
 Sent from my old iPhone
 
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey  wrote:
> 
> At least it was prompt service.
>  
> From: Harry Hallgring
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>  
> So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New 
> Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly 
> larger brown cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my 
> original box inside which was empty. Odd???
> 
> Harry
>  
> Sent from my old iPhone
 
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Joel Aronson]

Nice, but you would think they'd include that info on a note.
When they returned my unit there was no paperwork!

Joel
35/3


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:

> Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back
> to them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from
> Ohio today.
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my old iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey  wrote:
>
>  At least it was prompt service.
>
>  *From:* Harry Hallgring 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>
>  So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New
> Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger
> brown cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box
> inside which was empty. Odd???
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my old iPhone
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Andrew Burton]

Alcohol involved? specifically this beverage that you Americans call,
"beer?" I always wanted to try it.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:

> That may work!
>
>
> Harry
>
> Sent from my old iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:13, Andrew Burton 
> wrote:
>
> Maybe tomorrow?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote:
>
>> Thanks Andy!  Stop by at 4pm someday...I have a plan:)
>>
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Sent from my old iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:07, Andrew Burton 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's pretty considerate. I've had good experiences dealing with them
>> recently, too.
>> I was up at NEB the other day
>> and was admiring a gorgeous boat. Then I got a different angle and saw
>> her name, "Mirage." She looks fabulous, Harry.
>>
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Harry Hallgring 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back
>>> to them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from
>>> Ohio today.
>>>
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> Sent from my old iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  At least it was prompt service.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Harry Hallgring 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>>>
>>>  So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New
>>> Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger
>>> brown cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box
>>> inside which was empty. Odd???
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> Sent from my old iPhone
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> USA 02840
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Harry Hallgring]

Yessir!  Custom House allegedly has free raw bar Friday afternoons...I'll have 
to find out myself tomorrow. 

Harry

Sent from my old iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:22, Andrew Burton  wrote:
> 
> Alcohol involved? specifically this beverage that you Americans call, "beer?" 
> I always wanted to try it.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Harry Hallgring  
>> wrote:
>> That may work!
>> 
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> Sent from my old iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:13, Andrew Burton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe tomorrow?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Harry Hallgring  
 wrote:
 Thanks Andy!  Stop by at 4pm someday...I have a plan:)
 
 
 Harry
 
 Sent from my old iPhone
 
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:07, Andrew Burton  
> wrote:
> 
> That's pretty considerate. I've had good experiences dealing with them 
> recently, too.
> I was up at NEB the other day 
> and was admiring a gorgeous boat. Then I got a different angle and saw 
> her name, "Mirage." She looks fabulous, Harry.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Harry Hallgring  
>> wrote:
>> Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back 
>> to them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from 
>> Ohio today. 
>> 
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> Sent from my old iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> At least it was prompt service.
>>>  
>>> From: Harry Hallgring
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>>>  
>>> So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New 
>>> Hampshire last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly 
>>> larger brown cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my 
>>> original box inside which was empty. Odd???
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>>  
>>> Sent from my old iPhone
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall

[Harry Hallgring]

Joel,
It did make it a long night wondering!

Harry

Sent from my old iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2014, at 16:22, Joel Aronson  wrote:
> 
> Nice, but you would think they'd include that info on a note.
> When they returned my unit there was no paperwork!
> 
> Joel
> 35/3
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Harry Hallgring  
>> wrote:
>> Spoke with Raymarine...they ship customers their original packaging back to 
>> them assuming they want to keep them.  The new unit will arrive from Ohio 
>> today. 
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> Sent from my old iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 22:18, Steve Sharkey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> At least it was prompt service.
>>>  
>>> From: Harry Hallgring
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:05 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List Raymarine e7 Recall
>>>  
>>> So I mailed my e7 MFD back to the Raymarine service center in New Hampshire 
>>> last week in its original box. Today I received a slightly larger brown  
>>> cardboard box from Raymarine.  I opened it to find my original box inside 
>>> which was empty. Odd???
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>>  
>>> Sent from my old iPhone
>> 
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Stus-List Slapping wires/halyards

[Robert Abbott]

Neil:

If my boat was installed like Steve's, I wouldn't even worry about 
it.I don't race.my genoa is a roller fuller...it goes up and 
mostly stays up.  And the way I use my main,  I hardly doubt the 
chaffing would be any worst than the UV damageprobably not going to 
shorten the life of any halyard under these circumstances.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2014/01/30 12:24 PM, Neil Andersen wrote:


Steve,

That is a great idea.  I would think if you stagger the Zip Ties 
(around the clock looking down on the wire) every 90 degrees, you 
would end up with your wires running down close to the middle and 
create 4 smaller channels for the halyards.  That would reduce the 
amount of movement of the halyards.


With you installation, have you found any abrasion on the halyards in 
your mast?


Neil

FoxFire, 1982 C&C32

Worton Creek, MD

*From:*Stevan Plavsa [mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:30 PM
*To:* neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com
*Subject:* slapping wires/halyards

Hi Neil,

I own a 32 and when I re-wired my mast I used the largest zip ties I 
could find and zipped them around the wire every couple of feet as I 
fed it in. Once inside the mast the long zip tie "tails" press against 
the inner walls of the mast and they do help. I don't know what to do 
about halyards though.


Hope that's helpful.

Steve

Suhana, C&C 32

Toronto



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