Re: Stus-List Moisture Content

[Jake Brodersen]

Tom,

 

With a boat that's been out of the water for that long, I doubt there would
be much moisture in the hull.  If you haven't found any other deal breakers,
it is probably time to hire a surveyor.  A moisture meter will be more
accurate.  The last time I had a boat surveyed, the surveyor did most of his
work with a plastic mallet.  It is a good tool when in the hands of a
skilled surveyor.

 

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom Lynch
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 11:16 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Moisture Content

 

I'm  looking at purchasing a 1980 C&C 40 that has been out of the water for
2 seasons maybe 3.  As I understand it, this is a cored hull boat and I'm
trying determine the extent of moisture in the hull. 

 

I've read that taping 6 inch square of plastic freezer bag on the hull in
various locations and leaving it for 24 hours and then reviewing to see if
any moisture has condensed on the interior surface of the plastic.  Due to
this boat being out of water for this  length of time, will this test be
valid?  Anyone familiar with sort of test and whether or not this will
provide any meaningful information? 

 

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Stus-List Steering cable for a 37+

[Len Mitchell]

Edd, It doesn't get easier than a 37+ to replace the cable. Just lift the floor 
panel, use a flashlight and a little mirror to see what is involved. It may 
take you 1-2 hours the first time to feed the cables. Just imagine how much 
more work it would be on a boat with the quadrant under the floor of the 
cockpit! Good luck.
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+ 



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Re: Stus-List Moisture Content

[Hoyt, Mike]

get a marine survey



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Lynch
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Moisture Content


I'm  looking at purchasing a 1980 C&C 40 that has been out of the water
for 2 seasons maybe 3.  As I understand it, this is a cored hull boat
and I'm trying determine the extent of moisture in the hull.  

I've read that taping 6 inch square of plastic freezer bag on the hull
in various locations and leaving it for 24 hours and then reviewing to
see if any moisture has condensed on the interior surface of the
plastic.  Due to this boat being out of water for this  length of time,
will this test be valid?  Anyone familiar with sort of test and whether
or not this will provide any meaningful information? 

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Stus-List C&C 29

[Glen Eddie]

I have a friend looking at a C&C 29.  Does anyone know if it has a cored hull?


Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

Fax:  1-888-812-2557

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Re: Stus-List Replacing Edson pedestal steering cable and chain

[djhaug...@juno.com]

I had my Edson steering fail on me last year.  The chain part of the 
chain/cable wasn't really long enough and whoever installed it did not make 
sure the chain was properly centered over the sprocket.  So, the rudder went 
full over to one side and was fine but, one time it went full over to port and 
the chain to wire connector rolled up onto the sprocket.  It jammed and when I 
tried to free it, it de-railed and I had steering from just shy of midships to 
port.  There were18 knot winds and 4 - 6 foot seas!  I got Tow boat to take me 
home but, what an experience!  The tow boat guy out of my Marina refused to 
come get me because he said conditions at the mouth of the river that lead to 
my marina were too bad.  They towed me to New Bedford that day and then to my 
home port the following day.  All the years I've paid for tow boat's unlimited 
towing and that was the first time I ever had to call them.  well worth the 
cost over all those years!  At first they wanted to tow me back to Vinyard 
Haven and I refused and had them bring me home.  Unlimited service guarantees 
towing to home port! Get a little extra length on the chain part.  I did that 
for the replacement.  I went straight to Edson as they are just over in New 
Bedford and they confirmed it to be a good idea.  I figured, with the 
chain/cable being properly centered, the extra length of chain was a little 
more added security. DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA

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Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Stus-List Replacing Edson pedestal steering cable and chain
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:17:07 + (UTC)


Replacing Edson pedestal steering cable and chain:

Edson has a great website that shows how the cable crosses inside the pedestal 
so the rudder goes right when you turn the wheel right.

http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/steering_system_replacement_parts/index.php

Here's what I remember:
Basically, you remove the nuts on the cable tensioning bolts on the quadrant, 
rig pull strings for later, slip the cables out of the quadrant.
Then remove the pull strings from the tensioning bolts, remove the saddle 
clamps to free the cable.
Mark the orientation of the pedestal compass and remove it from the pedestal.
Tape pull strings on each cable end.
Pull the chain up off the pedestal sprocket, and pull the strings up and 
through and keep the oriented port and starboard.
Mark the center of the new chain, sharpie pen, for future.
Match the new cable length using the old one as a template, and mark where to 
make the eye with tape, then allow a good length for three clamps and 
doublecheck your work, cut excess.
Tape the new cable ends to your pull strings, and fish the cables down through 
the pedestal and round the sheaves and then make up the ends; thimbles, 
tensioner bolts, saddle clamps.  
Center the wheel, and center the new chain on the sprocket using your mark.  
Use the pull string to pull the new cables around and thru the quadrant.
Center the quadrant with the wheel centered before tensioning things evenly.
Tension just enough to prevent slippage, but not so much that is strains the 
rudder bearings.
Follow Edson advice on website.
 
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJFrom: "Edd Schillay" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:23:45 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Steering Cable for a 37+

Len, Thanks. Found it on Defender (thanks Chuck). How hard it it to replace? 

 All the best, Edd ---Edd M. SchillayStarship 
EnterpriseNCC-1701-BC&C 37+ | City Island, 
NYwww.StarshipSailing.com---914.332.4400  | 
Office914.332.1671  | Fax914.774.9767  | 
Mobile---Sent via iPhone 5
On Sep 16, 2013, at 3:52 PM, "Len Mitchell"  wrote:

 Edd, They are 7 feet long and 7 feet will give you extra. If the kit you buy 
is 9 feet you can cut them off. I was in the North Channel when mine went in a 
storm. The nearest replacement was 200 miles south so we used the spare genoa 
halyard cable and come to think of it, I haven't replaced that wire yet 5 years 
later. It's on my list. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs 
1989 37+ 




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Re: Stus-List C&C 29

[johnrmcl]

The hull is a single unit fiberglass moulding.

John McLaughlin
C&C 29-2 "Falcon"












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From: Glen Eddie 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jonathan Goode 
Sent: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:29 am
Subject: Stus-List C&C 29



I have a friend looking at a C&C 29.  Does anyone know if it has a cored hull?
 




Glen Eddie


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Fax:  1-888-812-2557


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Stus-List Captain Crunch

[Bill Coleman]

The bully in the parking lot that dings your door and then leaves - 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA

 

 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 29

[johnrmcl]

My mistake - some models have balsa core.

John McLaughlin


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Sent: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:12 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29


 
The hull is a single unit fiberglass moulding.
 
John McLaughlin
C&C 29-2 "Falcon"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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From: Glen Eddie 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jonathan Goode 
Sent: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:29 am
Subject: Stus-List C&C 29



I have a friend looking at a C&C 29.  Does anyone know if it has a cored hull?
 




Glen Eddie


Tel:  416-777-5357


Fax:  1-888-812-2557


ged...@torkinmanes.com


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Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

[Frederick G Street]

So much for posting a proper watch when maneuvering in close quarters…

Who the hell was driving that boat?!

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:

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>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA
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Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

[Edd Schillay]

Hey! You scratched my rudder!



On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Frederick G Street  wrote:

> So much for posting a proper watch when maneuvering in close quarters…
> 
> Who the hell was driving that boat?!
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:
> 
>> The bully in the parking lot that dings your door and then leaves -
>>  
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA
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Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

[Knowles Rich]

Geesh!

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-09-17, at 11:16, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:

The bully in the parking lot that dings your door and then leaves -
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Introduction

[Hoyt, Mike]

Peter
 
Is there enough room on marina forms to fill out the name of your Port?

 
Mike
Nut Case



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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Introduction


Peter,

Congratulations on your purchase.

We sail Whistler II out of Dutchman's Cove in Penetanguishene.  She's a
C&C 30 '73 (hull #190).  We bought her in 1994 on Lake Simcoe on our
honeymoon , took her down the Trent and sailed out of Toronto until
2008.
I've replaced the head and holding tank, replaced the instruments (they
need replacing again) and done a lot of major/minor repairs and
replacements over the years.

She's gotten a bit smaller with two teenaged boys aboard (my 14 year old
is 6'1" already), but the four of us can survive 5 days aboard without
killing each other.

After 40 years she is finally starting to show her age cosmetically.
Structurally, she is as solid as a tank.  Last month we had the rail in
the water in 20 knots with no reef.  We've run her aground several times
in Georgian Bay without incident, and it was 5 knots into a rock shelf
that finally created a small C&C smile on the keel.

Stay on top of deck leaks and your boat should hold out for another
decade at least.


Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

Wally
Whistler II
C&C 30 #190



From: Peter Delean 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:18:51 PM
Subject: Stus-List Introduction


Greetings, from a recent purchaser of a 1980 C&C 30, sailing out of
Penetanguishene, Ontario.
 
Last weekend (July 5-7) I sailed the boat with a buddy to its home port
from Gore Bay, ON, on Manitoulin Island, a trip of roughly 160 nautical
miles. SW winds were not as heavy as we would have liked, but we did get
six hours of great sailing in, averaging 5-6 knots. It was the first
time I've sailed a boat that needed no attention at the helm unless
there was a change in wind strength.
 
For those who know Georgian Bay, we spent the first night at Club
Island, and the second night at Beckwith Island, east side. From there
Penetang was an easy reach on Sunday morning.
 
The boat will be used for cruising and overnighting, not so much for
racing. The boat has a Yanmar 2GM diesel, a motor that saw plenty of
action last weekend. It appeared to get very good mileage.
 
Areas I would like to clear up: batteries and electrical (I don't like
the location of the battery switch under the bulkhead, and don't like
the original DC panel or its location). Any recommendations would be
appreciated.
 
The head seems to have a case of "gastric reflux" in heavy seas. I want
to get that fixed. Anybody have one of those new composting toilets, and
do they actually work?
 
Electronics: I have Nexus wind instruments ready to go. I'd like to have
the screens installed on a pod at the helm, with chartplotter, etc.
 
Motor gauges: located in a spot anyone over a foot tall can't see. Can
this be improved?
 
Refrigeration: looking at options for shore power cooling.
 
I love these projects, and expect to have a few things done by next
spring. In the meantime I will sail it as much as I can this year to
understand how the boat responds in different wind/wave conditions.
 
As an aside, my experience with these types of forums/lists has been
mainly with the long distance motorcycling community. They are ruthless
when people respond without trimming excess paragraphs from the post.
You guys/gals are much more polite. 
 
Hope to meet many of you on the water. My sailing goal is to make it up
to Mackinac in the next year or two, then who knows from there.
 
Peter Delean
North Bay, ON
Drifter II
C&C 30 Mk1

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Re: Stus-List narrow is good

[Bill Bina]

That might seem a little tighter in a storm. :-)

Bill Bina



On 9/17/2013 12:55 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:

Our marina has a 45 foot slip they are renting for $ 1,000 less than the going 
rate because the pilings are 11 feet apart and no one can fit in there. Well 
almost no one...I tried it and I fit :)


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Stus-List narrow is good

[Della Barba, Joe]

Our marina has a 45 foot slip they are renting for $ 1,000 less than the going 
rate because the pilings are 11 feet apart and no one can fit in there. Well 
almost no one...I tried it and I fit :) 


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[Wally Kowal]

Peter,

Congratulations on your purchase.

We sail Whistler II out of Dutchman's Cove in Penetanguishene.  She's a C&C 30 
'73 (hull #190).  We bought her in 1994 on Lake Simcoe on our honeymoon , took 
her down the Trent and sailed out of Toronto until 2008.

I've replaced the head and holding tank, replaced the instruments (they need 
replacing again) and done a lot of major/minor repairs and replacements over 
the years.

She's gotten a bit smaller with two teenaged boys aboard (my 14 year old is 
6'1" already), but the four of us can survive 5 days aboard without killing 
each other.

After 40 years she is finally starting to show her age cosmetically.  
Structurally, she is as solid as a tank.  Last month we had the rail in the 
water in 20 knots with no reef.  We've run her aground several times in 
Georgian Bay without incident, and it was 5 knots into a rock shelf that 
finally created a small C&C smile on the keel.

Stay on top of deck leaks and your boat should hold out for another decade at 
least.


Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

Wally
Whistler II
C&C 30 #190



 From: Peter Delean 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 7:18:51 PM
Subject: Stus-List Introduction
 


Greetings, from a recent purchaser of a 1980 C&C 30, sailing out of 
Penetanguishene, Ontario.
 
Last weekend (July 5-7) I sailed the boat with a buddy to its home port from 
Gore Bay, ON, on Manitoulin Island, a trip of roughly 160 nautical miles. SW 
winds were not as heavy as we would have liked, but we did get six hours of 
great sailing in, averaging 5-6 knots. It was the first time I've sailed a boat 
that needed no attention at the helm unless there was a change in wind strength.
 
For those who know Georgian Bay, we spent the first night at Club Island, and 
the second night at Beckwith Island, east side. From there Penetang was an easy 
reach on Sunday morning.
 
The boat will be used for cruising and overnighting, not so much for racing. 
The boat has a Yanmar 2GM diesel, a motor that saw plenty of action last 
weekend. It appeared to get very good mileage.
 
Areas I would like to clear up: batteries and electrical (I don't like the 
location of the battery switch under the bulkhead, and don't like the original 
DC panel or its location). Any recommendations would be appreciated.
 
The head seems to have a case of "gastric reflux" in heavy seas. I want to get 
that fixed. Anybody have one of those new composting toilets, and do they 
actually work?
 
Electronics: I have Nexus wind instruments ready to go. I'd like to have the 
screens installed on a pod at the helm, with chartplotter, etc.
 
Motor gauges: located in a spot anyone over a foot tall can't see. Can this be 
improved?
 
Refrigeration: looking at options for shore power cooling.
 
I love these projects, and expect to have a few things done by next spring. In 
the meantime I will sail it as much as I can this year to understand how the 
boat responds in different wind/wave conditions.
 
As an aside, my experience with these types of forums/lists has been mainly 
with the long distance motorcycling community. They are ruthless when people 
respond without trimming excess paragraphs from the post. You guys/gals are 
much more polite. 
 
Hope to meet many of you on the water. My sailing goal is to make it up to 
Mackinac in the next year or two, then who knows from there.
 
Peter Delean
North Bay, ON
Drifter II
C&C 30 Mk1
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Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

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On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:54 AM, "Aaron Rouhi" 
mailto:admiralmag...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Wow ! That was painful to watch!!!

Aaron Rouhi
79 30-1
Annapolis, MD

On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Bill Coleman" 
mailto:colt...@verizon.net>> wrote:

The bully in the parking lot that dings your door and then leaves -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA


Bill Coleman
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Re: Stus-List narrow is good

[Dennis C.]

http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/long357.html

Dennis C>





>
> From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
>To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:55 AM
>Subject: Stus-List narrow is good
> 
>
>Our marina has a 45 foot slip they are renting for $ 1,000 less than the going 
>rate because the pilings are 11 feet apart and no one can fit in there. Well 
>almost no one...I tried it and I fit :) 
>
>
>Joe Della Barba
>Coquina 
>C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

[Aaron Rouhi]

Wow ! That was painful to watch!!!

Aaron Rouhi
79 30-1
Annapolis, MD

On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Bill Coleman"  wrote:

> The bully in the parking lot that dings your door and then leaves -
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA
>  
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
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Re: Stus-List narrow is good

[Frederick G Street]

Now you've got a place to tie up the dinghy, too!   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:55 AM, "Della Barba, Joe"  
wrote:

> Our marina has a 45 foot slip they are renting for $ 1,000 less than the 
> going rate because the pilings are 11 feet apart and no one can fit in there. 
> Well almost no one...I tried it and I fit :) 
> 
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina 
> C&C 35 MK I
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Stus-List C&C 29 Hull

[Bob Hickson]

To the best of my knowledge, all 29's (mark 1 & 2) are solid glass hulls.

For sure my Mark 2 (1985) is a solid glass hull.

 

Best regards,

Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA

C&C 29-2 Flying Colours

Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club

Pickering, ON

(416) 919-2297

  bobhick...@rogers.com

 

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Re: Stus-List narrow is good

[Della Barba, Joe]

My current slip is 48x16, so the dinghy fits in there now.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List narrow is good

Now you've got a place to tie up the dinghy, too!   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:55 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote:


Our marina has a 45 foot slip they are renting for $ 1,000 less than the going 
rate because the pilings are 11 feet apart and no one can fit in there. Well 
almost no one...I tried it and I fit :)


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Re: Stus-List narrow is good

[Wally Bryant]

Good on ýa.  When folks look at my foredeck and call it skinny I prefer 
to say that I have a ´fine entry.´  


Which reminds me of a funny moment sailing into San Diego in 2009.  It 
was one of those days when the California fog hit big time.  Visibility 
was about 30 feet, and I kept turning to starboard to avoid a collision 
but finally realized that I was reacting to my own running lights 
reflected back off the fog. San Diego harbor is a maze, and was tough to 
navigate blind.  I was doing fine until I encountered a huge white light 
in the middle of the channel.  I sat there for 30 minutes trying to 
figure it out (note that I'd been single handing for 18 hours through 
shipping channels.)  I didn't want to use the radio, since CH16 was 
flooded with lost power boaters calling the Coast Guard, and the 
Coasties were laughing on the radio.  ("So, you're tied up to a buoy but 
don't know the buoy number?  Dawn is only six hours away...")  I learned 
later that the big white light was illuminating a sign pointing toward a 
fuel dock, but with 30 foot visibility I didn't know that and really 
didn't want to get close to the big white light.  Eventually I worked 
past the big white light and ended up in the wrong marina.  I saw an 
empty slip.  I nailed it perfectly.  No fenders, no bumps.  The next 
morning I looked around and realized I had about four inches of 
clearance on both sides of the boat.  There was a crowd staring at my 
boat.  I said 'nice to meet you, gotta go...'


Wal

Joe wrote:
Our marina has a 45 foot slip they are renting for $ 1,000 less than the going rate because the pilings are 11 feet apart and no one can fit in there. Well almost no one...I tried it and I fit:)  



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Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[Joel Aronson]

For those of you with a second genoa track along the cabin, at what wind
speed do you move to the inner track and back?  The boat seems to point
better using the inner track, but the slot seems narrower.

At what wind speed do you go from the 1/2 ounce chute to the 3/4 ounce
chute?

Forecast is for 8-10.  Am I on the border line for both?

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Re: Stus-List narrow is good

[Frederick G Street]

Ha!  I can just see you slowly motoring past marina after marina, clicking on 
your keyless entry fob until you saw headlights flashing…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:48 PM, "Della Barba, Joe"  wrote:

> I chartered a Catalina 36 for the day when visiting relatives in San Diego. 
> Never been there before and we stayed out until well after dark. It was then 
> I discovered that unlike Maryland, the marinas pretty much all got built the 
> same way and all look the same. We had to try about 4 until we found the one 
> with our car!

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Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

[John and Sue Fletcher]

Same Captain that was on the Costa Concordia.?


-Original Message- 
From: Derek Leck

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

"I think we're gonna need a bigger boat". Tug boat that is.




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On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:54 AM, "Aaron Rouhi" 
mailto:admiralmag...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Wow ! That was painful to watch!!!

Aaron Rouhi
79 30-1
Annapolis, MD

On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Bill Coleman" 
mailto:colt...@verizon.net>> wrote:


The bully in the parking lot that dings your door and then leaves -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA


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Re: Stus-List narrow is good

[Della Barba, Joe]

I chartered a Catalina 36 for the day when visiting relatives in San Diego. 
Never been there before and we stayed out until well after dark. It was then I 
discovered that unlike Maryland, the marinas pretty much all got built the same 
way and all look the same. We had to try about 4 until we found the one with 
our car!

Joe Della Barba


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List narrow is good

Good on ýa.  When folks look at my foredeck and call it skinny I prefer to say 
that I have a ´fine entry.´  

Which reminds me of a funny moment sailing into San Diego in 2009.  It was one 
of those days when the California fog hit big time.  Visibility was about 30 
feet, and I kept turning to starboard to avoid a collision but finally realized 
that I was reacting to my own running lights reflected back off the fog. San 
Diego harbor is a maze, and was tough to navigate blind.  I was doing fine 
until I encountered a huge white light in the middle of the channel.  I sat 
there for 30 minutes trying to figure it out (note that I'd been single handing 
for 18 hours through shipping channels.)  I didn't want to use the radio, since 
CH16 was flooded with lost power boaters calling the Coast Guard, and the 
Coasties were laughing on the radio.  ("So, you're tied up to a buoy but don't 
know the buoy number?  Dawn is only six hours away...")  I learned later that 
the big white light was illuminating a sign pointing toward a fuel dock, but 
with 30 foot visibility I didn't know that and really didn't want to get close 
to the big white light.  Eventually I worked past the big white light and ended 
up in the wrong marina.  I saw an empty slip.  I nailed it perfectly.  No 
fenders, no bumps.  The next morning I looked around and realized I had about 
four inches of clearance on both sides of the boat.  There was a crowd staring 
at my boat.  I said 'nice to meet you, gotta go...'

Wal

Joe wrote:
> Our marina has a 45 foot slip they are renting for $ 1,000 less than 
> the going rate because the pilings are 11 feet apart and no one can 
> fit in there. Well almost no one...I tried it and I fit:)


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Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[Tim Goodyear]

I don't have an inner track, but would be running with the 0.5oz in 10
knots true (about 6 knots / 120 degrees apparent); tight reaching with the
0.75oz.  About 12/14 knots TWS *running* is when I'd switch.

Tim

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:

> For those of you with a second genoa track along the cabin, at what wind
> speed do you move to the inner track and back?  The boat seems to point
> better using the inner track, but the slot seems narrower.
>
> At what wind speed do you go from the 1/2 ounce chute to the 3/4 ounce
> chute?
>
> Forecast is for 8-10.  Am I on the border line for both?
>
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Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[Tim Goodyear]

And I have an older 0.5oz in a sock that we use for cruising (because I'd
never use it cruising when it's really windy, right...).  It is still in
one (stretched) piece after several trips at 15 knots plus apparent...

Tim

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:

> I don't have an inner track, but would be running with the 0.5oz in 10
> knots true (about 6 knots / 120 degrees apparent); tight reaching with the
> 0.75oz.  About 12/14 knots TWS *running* is when I'd switch.
>
> Tim
>
>  On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:
>
>>  For those of you with a second genoa track along the cabin, at what
>> wind speed do you move to the inner track and back?  The boat seems to
>> point better using the inner track, but the slot seems narrower.
>>
>> At what wind speed do you go from the 1/2 ounce chute to the 3/4 ounce
>> chute?
>>
>> Forecast is for 8-10.  Am I on the border line for both?
>>
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Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[David Risch]

Unless you know how to do an "inside-outside" or have deep pockets...stick to 
the 3/4 oz

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:01:23 +
From: alan-at-h...@comcast.net
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

Try experimenting.  I switch to 3/4 oz as soon as it will fill.  I would never 
carry the 1/2 oz in 10-14.  Why take a chance on stretching it out.

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
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Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[Joel Aronson]

David,
You do that on a boat?


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM, David Risch  wrote:

> Unless you know how to do an "inside-outside" or have deep pockets...stick
> to the 3/4 oz
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:01:23 +
> From: alan-at-h...@comcast.net
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions
>
>
> Try experimenting.  I switch to 3/4 oz as soon as it will fill.  I would
> never carry the 1/2 oz in 10-14.  Why take a chance on stretching it out.
>
> Alan Bergen
> C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
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[Alan Bergen]

Try experimenting. I switch to 3/4 oz as soon as it will fill. I would never 
carry the 1/2 oz in 10-14. Why take a chance on stretching it out. 


Alan Bergen 
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Rose City YC 
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Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[David Risch]

Last I looked...Would be hard pressed to apply skill elsewhere.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:17:39 -0400
From: joel.aron...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

David,You do that on a boat?

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM, David Risch  wrote:




Unless you know how to do an "inside-outside" or have deep pockets...stick to 
the 3/4 oz

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:01:23 +
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

Try experimenting.  I switch to 3/4 oz as soon as it will fill.  I would never 
carry the 1/2 oz in 10-14.  Why take a chance on stretching it out.


Alan Bergen
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Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

[Ron Kaye]

With enough practice he'll get the hang of it. 

Ron

On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:04 PM, "John and Sue Fletcher"  
wrote:

> Same Captain that was on the Costa Concordia.?
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Derek Leck
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:09 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch
> 
> "I think we're gonna need a bigger boat". Tug boat that is.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:54 AM, "Aaron Rouhi" 
> mailto:admiralmag...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> Wow ! That was painful to watch!!!
> 
> Aaron Rouhi
> 79 30-1
> Annapolis, MD
> 
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Bill Coleman" 
> mailto:colt...@verizon.net>> wrote:
> 
> The bully in the parking lot that dings your door and then leaves -
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA
> 
> 
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 29 Hull

[sam . c . salter]

The Mk1 brochure on the "Photoalbum" says it had a cored hull.I don't have any first hand knowledge, just quoting from the original C&C brochure.  sam :-) From: Bob HicksonSent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:22 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Stus-List C&C 29 HullTo the best of my knowledge, all 29’s (mark 1 & 2) are solid glass hulls.For sure my Mark 2 (1985) is a solid glass hull. Best regards,Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEAC&C 29-2 Flying ColoursFrenchman's Bay Yacht ClubPickering, ON(416) 919-2297bobhick...@rogers.com  __/)  ___
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Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch

[Aaron Rouhi]

After this, I feeling so much better about my own docking "events"!

Aaron Rouhi
79 30-1
Annapolis, MD

On Sep 17, 2013, at 6:34 PM, "Ron Kaye"  wrote:

> With enough practice he'll get the hang of it. 
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:04 PM, "John and Sue Fletcher"  
> wrote:
> 
>> Same Captain that was on the Costa Concordia.?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Derek Leck
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:09 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Captain Crunch
>> 
>> "I think we're gonna need a bigger boat". Tug boat that is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
>> 
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>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:54 AM, "Aaron Rouhi" 
>> mailto:admiralmag...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow ! That was painful to watch!!!
>> 
>> Aaron Rouhi
>> 79 30-1
>> Annapolis, MD
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Bill Coleman" 
>> mailto:colt...@verizon.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> The bully in the parking lot that dings your door and then leaves -
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCqjZXp7TQA
>> 
>> 
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>> C&C 39
>> 
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Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[Jake Brodersen]

Joel,

 

I use the inner tracks up to about 12 kts true wind.  After that, I move to
the outer tracks and control the amount of wind that is spilled by moving
the car aft a bit.

 

For my 20 year old spinnakers, ½ oz. in ten knots or less.  Everything else
gets the ¾ oz.

 

I’d run the inner tracks and the light chute!

 

Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

 

For those of you with a second genoa track along the cabin, at what wind
speed do you move to the inner track and back?  The boat seems to point
better using the inner track, but the slot seems narrower.

 

At what wind speed do you go from the 1/2 ounce chute to the 3/4 ounce
chute?  

 

Forecast is for 8-10.  Am I on the border line for both?


 

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Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[Dennis C.]

On my 35-1, I carry my 0.6 oz to about 10 true, the 3/4 to ~16 true and the 1.5 
until all the crew has white knuckles (usually around 20-22 true).  :)

Our biggest rule when carrying in 15+ is "never let the center seam in the 
bottom panel cross to windward of the forestay".  


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



>
> From: David Risch 
>To: CNC CNC  
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:13 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions
> 
>
>
> 
>Unless you know how to do an "inside-outside" or have deep pockets...stick to 
>the 3/4 oz
>
>David F. Risch
>1981 40-2
>(401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
>
>
>
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:01:23 +
>From: alan-at-h...@comcast.net
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions
>
>
>Try experimenting.  I switch to 3/4 oz as soon as it will fill.  I would never 
>carry the 1/2 oz in 10-14.  Why take a chance on stretching it out.
>
>
>Alan Bergen
>C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
>Rose City YC
>Portland, OR
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 29 Hull

[randy]

Yes, don’t ask me how I know…  if you look in the right places, say in the 
hanging locker, just above waterline you’ll find a horizontal bump line to the 
inside.  That’s where the coring starts for the topsides of the hull on our ’86 
29-II.  Below waterline is solid.

 

randy

Tamanawas

29-II

Hood River, OR

 

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sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 29 Hull

 

The Mk1 brochure on the "Photoalbum" says it had a cored hull.

I don't have any first hand knowledge, just quoting from the original C&C 
brochure.

 

sam :-)


From: Bob Hickson

Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:22 PM

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Subject: Stus-List C&C 29 Hull

 

To the best of my knowledge, all 29’s (mark 1 & 2) are solid glass hulls.

For sure my Mark 2 (1985) is a solid glass hull.

 

Best regards,

Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA

C&C 29-2 Flying Colours

Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club

Pickering, ON

(416) 919-2297

  bobhick...@rogers.com

 

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Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions

[Ronald B. Frerker]

Good rule.  The rock and roll becomes a broach pretty quick from my experience 
on a 35, especially the 35-3.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30
STL




 From: Dennis C. 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions
 


On my 35-1, I carry my 0.6 oz to about 10 true, the 3/4 to ~16 true and the 1.5 
until all the crew has white knuckles (usually around 20-22 true).  :)

Our biggest rule when carrying in 15+ is "never let the center seam in the 
bottom panel cross to windward of the forestay".  


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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> From: David Risch 
>To: CNC CNC  
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:13 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions
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>Unless you know how to do an "inside-outside" or have deep pockets...stick to 
>the 3/4 oz
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>David F. Risch
>1981 40-2
>(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:01:23 +
>From: alan-at-h...@comcast.net
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 racing questions
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>Try experimenting.  I switch to 3/4 oz as soon as it will fill.  I would never 
>carry the 1/2 oz in 10-14.  Why take a chance on stretching it out.
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>Alan Bergen
>C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
>Rose City YC
>Portland, OR
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