Re: Stus-List Newport Accommodations

[Steve Sharkey]

thanks everybody for the information

From: Andrew Burton 
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Newport Accommodations

Gary, so is Peregrine. She still has "Thunder" on the transom.
Also just spoke to Conanicut Marine services at the NE Boatshow and they say 
they still have room, but call soon. I think that applies to most places in the 
area.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton 
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
+401 965-5260

On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:37 PM, "Gary W. Russell"  wrote:


  Maggie is at NE Yacht Rigging.
  Gary
  S/V Expresso
  '75 C&C 35 Mk II
  East Greenwich, RI

  Sent from my iPhone. ~~~_/)~~~

  On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:25 PM, "Steve Sharkey"  wrote:


Thanks Andrew – very helpful.

From: Andrew Burton 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 7:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Newport Accommodations

Try Dutch Hbr Boatyard in Jamestown, Jamestown Boatyard, Somewhere in East 
Greenwich; talk to Maggie at East Coast rigging, she seems to have a good 
handle on things there and is taking care of Peregrine at the moment. There's 
also Allen's Harbor boatyard, or up the bay in Bristol and Warren.
Leaving the boat in Newport is an expensive option, but I know Ida Lewis YC 
has moorings for rent, though they may not rent them for that long. If you 
leave her in Newport make sure you're in Brenton Cove and I'll be happy to keep 
an eye on her for you.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton 
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
+401 965-5260

On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:19 AM, "Steve Sharkey"  
wrote:



  I’m planning on doing the Annapolis to Newport race this June and leaving 
the boat in the Newport area for a couple of months and doing some cruising in 
the area.  I would welcome any recommendations on cost effective places to 
leave the boat while it’s there.

  Thanks
  Steve

  Steve Sharkey
  C&C 37
  Impromptu 
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Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Joel Aronson]

I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box.  I'm down to 2
choices - An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold
plate or an Adler Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate
that forms a small freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches).  The
A/B is about $500 more.  Do you make ice?  If you can't, do you wish
you could?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
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Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Jim Watts]

Yes, we make ice. We also cram as much frozen stuff into our little freezer
compartment as we can, and we can keep stuff frozen by keeping it directly
under the freezer box. We can be independent of stores for up to two weeks
this way and still eat quality steaks. Most of the places we like to go are
at least one to two days away from resupply, if you hang around civilized
parts you may not need this capability...

On 17 February 2013 07:49, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box.  I'm down to 2
> choices - An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold
> plate or an Adler Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate
> that forms a small freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches).  The
> A/B is about $500 more.  Do you make ice?  If you can't, do you wish
> you could?
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
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Stus-List Miami boat show

[Joel Aronson]

I am in Miami beach for a long weekend.  Friday was raining so we
spent the afternoon at the boat show.  Just out of curiosity we went
on a Catalina 38, several Bennes, Jenneaus, a Tartan 41 and a Hylas 46
cc.

My business partner has a Bebe 39/3, so that was my point of
reference.  I was shocked at how stripped down the Benne and Jennaueus
looked inside and on deck.  The Jenneau 40 or 41 had 2 cabins, 2 heads
and no storage.  The 38 had one cabin top winch to port, and for the
starboard clutches had  cheek block so you could run the lines to the
port winch.  It only had a 2 burner stove that was nearly useless.
The Tartan had a maple interior, a nice layout but very little
storage.  The Catalina had the best layout and interior finish of all
of them.  More $$ than the Bennes, less than the Tartan.

The Hylas was spectacular, as was the price.  It was an owner's boat
and he had added every option imaginable, bringing the price up to
close to 900k!

Didn't look at much gear.  Out of curiosity I asked Garhauer for a
price on a new traveler.  He said for 475 if I sent him  the old one
he would drill the new one to fit.  Maybe next year!

Joel
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Annapolis
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Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Dennis C.]

Joel,

Is current draw a big concern for you?  If so, you might take a peek at the 
Technautics Cool Blue.  Supposedly claims to have the lowest current draw.  
Unfortunately, they're a bit more pricey than either unit you're looking at.  
You deal directly with the guy that builds them.

My colleague on the bayou has been installing them for a couple years now.  
Owners seem to be very pleased.

I still like the Isotherm with ASU, cold plate, etc. and thru hull cooler.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




>
> From: Joel Aronson 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:49 AM
>Subject: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?
> 
>I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box.  I'm down to 2
>choices - An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold
>plate or an Adler Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate
>that forms a small freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches).  The
>A/B is about $500 more.  Do you make ice?  If you can't, do you wish
>you could?
>
>Joel
>35/3
>Annapolis
>Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Dave Godwin]

Joel,

Give Frigoboat a look while your at it. I've got their keel-cooler system. It's 
only partially installed at the moment but a buddy of mine with Beneteau swears 
by them. Very energy efficient and keeps the seawater out of the system. I'm 
setting up a spillover freezer/refrigerator system with a thermostatically 
controlled fan.

Dave
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:07, "Dennis C."  wrote:

> Joel,
> 
> Is current draw a big concern for you?  If so, you might take a peek at the 
> Technautics Cool Blue.  Supposedly claims to have the lowest current draw.  
> Unfortunately, they're a bit more pricey than either unit you're looking at.  
> You deal directly with the guy that builds them.
> 
> My colleague on the bayou has been installing them for a couple years now.  
> Owners seem to be very pleased.
> 
> I still like the Isotherm with ASU, cold plate, etc. and thru hull cooler.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> From: Joel Aronson 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:49 AM
> Subject: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?
> 
> I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box.  I'm down to 2
> choices - An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold
> plate or an Adler Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate
> that forms a small freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches).  The
> A/B is about $500 more.  Do you make ice?  If you can't, do you wish
> you could?
> 
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Jake Brodersen]

Joel,

I have the Adler Barbour system with a Danfoss compressor.  I think mine is
a 35 model, not sure.  It works great.  I have a fairly large freezer
section.  It has room for three trays of ice cubes and about 5-10 lbs of
steaks/ribs.  Current draw is supposedly around 5 amps.  No issues, since we
daysail most of the time.  The compressor is in the port lazarette on a
shelf that I built.  There is some airflow in the locker, but it does get
hot in there in the summer time.  We always have cold beer though.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box.  I'm down to 2 choices -
An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold plate or an Adler
Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate that forms a small
freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches).  The A/B is about $500 more.
Do you make ice?  If you can't, do you wish you could?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
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Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Joel Aronson]

Dennis,

Power is always a concern but I rather spend the $1500 difference to
upgrade the electrical system.  The Cool Blue is a Danfoss 35 and a cold
plate.  I think you could do the same thing in Isotherm for the same or a
little less.

Joel
Sent from my iPad

On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:08 AM, "Dennis C."  wrote:

Joel,

Is current draw a big concern for you?  If so, you might take a peek at the
Technautics Cool Blue.  Supposedly claims to have the lowest current draw.
Unfortunately, they're a bit more pricey than either unit you're looking
at.  You deal directly with the guy that builds them.

My colleague on the bayou has been installing them for a couple years now.
Owners seem to be very pleased.

I still like the Isotherm with ASU, cold plate, etc. and thru hull cooler.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:49 AM
*Subject:* Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box.  I'm down to 2
choices - An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold
plate or an Adler Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate
that forms a small freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches).  The
A/B is about $500 more.  Do you make ice?  If you can't, do you wish
you could?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
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Re: Stus-List C&C 34+

[David Knecht]

In my endless hunt for a new boat, I came across the 34+.  Having owned and 
liked a 34 I was curious to see that this boat has a kind of transom step 
access that the admiral wants on our new boat.  It is not a full walk out 
transom, but might be adequate.   My question is about the boat in general.   I 
am amazed by the apparent performance increase in the 34+.  My previous 34 
rates around 144, but the wing keel 34+ rates around 96 according to the 
Resource center.  That surprises me as the rating is equivalent or faster than 
the C&C 99 which looks like a more modern hull and keel.  I found the 34 to be 
quite tender and that is confirmed by the Dellenbaugh chart on the Resource 
center, but I can't find the 34+ on that chart and this concerns me.  So my 
question is whether anyone has insights on the 34+ they can share.  THanks- Dave

On Jan 27, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Stu wrote:

> Check out the C&C 99 North America Class Association at:  
> http://www.cnc-yachts.com/99owners/
>  
> Stu
>  
> From: Pat Nevitt
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:34 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 99
>  
> I think there is someone on the list who posts occasionally that has one.  I 
> can't remember his name.  I have a friend that owns one and really likes his. 
>  Do you want to race or cruise?  He mostly races his and places in the middle 
> of a fairly competitive PHRF fleet.  We did beat him once in my 29-2 this 
> past frostbite series on a 20kt wind day, but he claims it was because they 
> turned around to pick up a hat that went overboard  (I never saw that!).  I 
> know of 2 for sale in the Annapolis area.  I know the owner of one of those 
> and he has had it for sale for a while and is motivated to let it go.
> 
> Pat
> 
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Knecht  wrote:
> I sold by C&C 34 a while back, and now I am in the market for a new boat.  
> One of the boats I plan to look at is a C&C 99.  This list was always been of 
> great help, when I had my previous boat, so I am wondering if anyone has 
> comments on that particular vintage of C&C.  I planned to search the archive 
> in case this has been discussed before, but I could find no way to do that.  
> Am I missing it?  Thanks- Dave
>  
> Professor David Knecht   
> Department of Molecular and Cell Biology
> Microscopy Facility Director
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Stus-List 1985 C&C 33 versus 1985 C&C MKII

[Raymond Macklin]

I have purchased a 1985 C&C 33.  I have been asked it is a MKII.  I have
been doing research on each of them, but i have found nothing consistent.
My survey indicates it has a draft of 6'4" like a MKII but also show the
weight at 9800 lbs and the MKII is at 9450 lbs.  Don't really know what is
what.  Can some please provide some insight to the differences?
Thanks, Lakehouse, Libertyville, IL
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Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C 33 versus 1985 C&C MKII

[Colin Kilgour]

Same thing. Anything from 84 to 87 is a Mk II.  There's no difference.
 The Mk II isn't an official C&C designation, but it's the way we
differentiate between the 2 very different types of 33's.

Cheers
Colin


On 2/17/13, Raymond Macklin  wrote:
> I have purchased a 1985 C&C 33.  I have been asked it is a MKII.  I have
> been doing research on each of them, but i have found nothing consistent.
> My survey indicates it has a draft of 6'4" like a MKII but also show the
> weight at 9800 lbs and the MKII is at 9450 lbs.  Don't really know what is
> what.  Can some please provide some insight to the differences?
> Thanks, Lakehouse, Libertyville, IL
>

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Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Alan Bergen]

Joel : 

I just installed refrigeration, last year, so I haven't had enough time to 
evaluate it. I installed an Isotherm Compact Classic GE 150. I didn't think I 
would need ice, so I opted for this less expensive model. I'm rarely away from 
a moorage for more than a couple of days. I installed the compressor in the 
locker under the aft part of the port dinette. It's extremely quiet. I mounted 
the temperature control in front of the ice box. There is no insulation between 
the ice box and the stove/oven, so I injected foam in that space. I also cut a 
piece of polyurethane foam to mount under the galley counter, as there is no 
insulation there. Be aware that there is no on-off switch, so if you want to 
shut off the compressor, you have to remove the fuse, or install a switch or a 
circuit breaker instead of a fuse. I ran the power wire directly to the house 
batteries. Let me know if you want any pictures. 


Alan Bergen 
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box. I'm down to 2 
choices - An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold 
plate or an Adler Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate 
that forms a small freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches). The 
A/B is about $500 more. Do you make ice? If you can't, do you wish 
you could? 

Joel 
35/3 
Annapolis 
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Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Joel Aronson]

Alan

Thanks !

I'm going to put it on its own breaker.  Most people seem to put it in the
lazarete.

Joel Aronson


On Feb 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Alan Bergen  wrote:

Joel:

I just installed refrigeration, last year, so I haven't had enough time to
evaluate it.  I installed an Isotherm Compact Classic GE 150.  I didn't
think I would need ice, so I opted for this less expensive model.  I'm
rarely away from a moorage for more than a couple of days.  I installed the
compressor in the locker under the aft part of the port dinette.  It's
extremely quiet. I mounted the temperature control in front of the ice
box.  There is no insulation between the ice box and the stove/oven, so I
injected foam in that space.  I also cut a piece of polyurethane foam to
mount under the galley counter, as there is no insulation there.  Be aware
that there is no on-off switch, so if you want to shut off the compressor,
you have to remove the fuse, or install a switch or a circuit breaker
instead of a fuse.  I ran the power wire directly to the house batteries.
Let me know if you want any pictures.

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box.  I'm down to 2
choices - An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold
plate or an Adler Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate
that forms a small freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches).  The
A/B is about $500 more.  Do you make ice?  If you can't, do you wish
you could?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
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Re: Stus-List refrigeration - icemaker?

[Graham Collins]

I've got an ancient aldor-barbour unit in the lazarette, from there it 
is a very short run of tubing to get into the cooler.  I can't say much 
about how well it works as we don't use it much, but I did (to my 
dissatisfaction) freeze some beer one day...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2013-02-17 2:19 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:

Alan

Thanks !

I'm going to put it on its own breaker.  Most people seem to put it in 
the lazarete.


Joel Aronson


On Feb 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Alan Bergen > wrote:



Joel:

I just installed refrigeration, last year, so I haven't had enough 
time to evaluate it.  I installed an Isotherm Compact Classic GE 
150.  I didn't think I would need ice, so I opted for this less 
expensive model.  I'm rarely away from a moorage for more than a 
couple of days.  I installed the compressor in the locker under the 
aft part of the port dinette.  It's extremely quiet. I mounted the 
temperature control in front of the ice box.  There is no insulation 
between the ice box and the stove/oven, so I injected foam in that 
space.  I also cut a piece of polyurethane foam to mount under the 
galley counter, as there is no insulation there.  Be aware that there 
is no on-off switch, so if you want to shut off the compressor, you 
have to remove the fuse, or install a switch or a circuit breaker 
instead of a fuse.  I ran the power wire directly to the house 
batteries.  Let me know if you want any pictures.


Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

I'm looking at adding refrigeration to my ice box.  I'm down to 2
choices - An Isotherm with a Danfoss 50 compressor and a flat cold
plate or an Adler Barbour with the same compressor but with a plate
that forms a small freezer/icemaker section (15 x 12 x 6 inches).  The
A/B is about $500 more.  Do you make ice?  If you can't, do you wish
you could?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis
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Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines

[Martin DeYoung]

Based on my own observations when replacing Calypso's 10 to 20 year old vinyl 
coated SS lifelines, 36 year SS lifeline are likely to fail under stress owing 
to hidden corrosion.



Take a knife to the vinyl near an end and check how far the corrosion travels 
along the strands. Rust stains at the ends of the vinyl is a hint as to where 
to look first.



My experience is based on a salt water boat.  If you have always been in fresh 
YMMV.



Martin

Calypso

197 C&C 43

Seattle


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Subject: Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines

Question..Having been away from the big boat scene for a very long time 
could you guys explain why vinyl coated lifelines have fallen into such 
disfavor? As far as I can tell, the ones on my boat are the original 36 year 
old vinyl coated wire, pretty good track record there!
James
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C&C 38 MkII
Oriental, NC
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Re: Stus-List Splicing

[Martin DeYoung]

Brion Toss is the real deal. I had him onboard Calypso to review my new 
standing rig choices (a combo of new rod and Dyform wire) and defend his 
formula for calculating the load on the aft lower shrouds. He also helped me 
resolve some differences in the written instructions on how to use Dyform wire 
with Norseman fittings and Harken's roller furling turnbuckle.



So far it appears his formula and advice was accurate as the rig still stands 
10 years and many miles later.



Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seattle


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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 2:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Splicing

I guess Brion Toss found a coat hanger works too?
Thanks for the link.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ

From: "Sam Salter" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 2:01:44 PM
Subject: Stus-List Splicing

All this talk of electrical fish and coat hangers, you guys need to join the 
21st century!
Get yourselves one (or 2) of these:
http://www.google.ca/search?q=brion+toss+splicing+wand&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=odUfUZeMOer4yQHB74HwBA&ved=0CEUQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=644#biv=i|9;d|w7AVNcUQrme88M:

Brian Toss splicing wand.
I know it's a bit pricy at $50, but it makes splicing so enjoyable, it's worth 
every penny.

If your ever in Port Townsend, his rigging shop is right there next to the 
marina. Right below Carol Hasse's sail loft. Both are worth a visit. Real nice 
people and very knowledgeable.

Sam :-)
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta


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Re: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)

[Martin DeYoung]

Having sailed between Oahu and Maui a few times, given the choice start in 
Lahaina and sail to Honolulu.  If the trades are blowing normal to strong the 
upwind trip from Honolulu to Lahaina can be brutal.  One year the Transpac 
boats that were headed to Lahaina for the Sauza Cup Regatta saw several 
dismastings and many returns to Honolulu.  We persevered but at a high cost to 
comfort.  The boat was a charter so we drove it like it was rented and it stood 
up to the stress.



Sailing out of Lahaina you can choose to stay in the wind shadow for light easy 
sailing or venture out towards Molokai and experience trade wind sailing.  The 
Lahaina YC is one of my favorites for having a bar / patio out over the water.  
Check to see if your YC has privileges.



Sailing out of Honolulu you will quickly be in trade wind and sea conditions.  
Cool if racing, not so much on a cruise with family.  I did foredeck on a 54' 
IOR boat for Clipper Cup in 1982.  The mark roundings were epic in the big 
winds and seas sometimes overlapped with other boats.  We experienced multiple 
gear breakages owing to pushing hard to win vs. keeping the boat in one piece 
mentality of the owner/driver.



Take a look at the web sites of Waikiki YC, Honolulu YC, and Lahaina YC to see 
if any races are happening during your visit.  My guess is you could weasel 
your way onto a boat through the yacht clubs.



Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seatle


From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Dennis C. 
[capt...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)

Not a TP52 but Contender, US44 AC boat daysails out of Maui.  Friend of mine 
took a ride on it a few weeks ago.  Said it was fun.

http://www.sailingonmaui.com/

Dennis C.


From: Brent Driedger 
To: C&C List 
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)

I'm planning a vacation to Oahu this November and have been granted 2 days to 
go sailing all selfish-like. Lets suppose all the forces of the earth and sun 
and moon come into perfect alignment and I get exactly what I want, here is 
what I am seeking. Does anyone know if the the following exists?
I looking for an adventure company that happens to own a TP52 and is more than 
happy to do two day racing style excursions to Maui and back. It seems all my 
searching so far reveals only relaxing charters but that's not exactly what I'm 
looking for.
Has anyone done something like that? Spirit of Canada style.

Brent Driedger
27-5 s/v Wild Rover


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Re: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)

[Steve Thomas]

I found the Waikiki YC to be very friendly and accommodating. Called the club 
and explained who I was and what I wanted, and was
told to come by the club race night and ask for so and so at the gate, and then 
go sit in the bar. Got a ride on a J35 in a
round-the-buoys PHRF race with the past commodore. Had a great time. 
 
Much better experience than the Cal 39 I had chartered for a day earlier in the 
week. I did learn a few things, but sometimes you
don't get what you pay for. Nuff said.
 
The rest of my Oahu visit could be characterised as expensive and worth every 
penny.
 
Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
 
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:42 PM
To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)



Having sailed between Oahu and Maui a few times, given the choice start in 
Lahaina and sail to Honolulu.  If the trades are
blowing normal to strong the upwind trip from Honolulu to Lahaina can be 
brutal.  One year the Transpac boats that were headed to
Lahaina for the Sauza Cup Regatta saw several dismastings and many returns to 
Honolulu.  We persevered but at a high cost to
comfort.  The boat was a charter so we drove it like it was rented and it stood 
up to the stress.

 

Sailing out of Lahaina you can choose to stay in the wind shadow for light easy 
sailing or venture out towards Molokai and
experience trade wind sailing.  The Lahaina YC is one of my favorites for 
having a bar / patio out over the water.  Check to see
if your YC has privileges.

 

Sailing out of Honolulu you will quickly be in trade wind and sea conditions.  
Cool if racing, not so much on a cruise with
family.  I did foredeck on a 54' IOR boat for Clipper Cup in 1982.  The mark 
roundings were epic in the big winds and seas
sometimes overlapped with other boats.  We experienced multiple gear breakages 
owing to pushing hard to win vs. keeping the boat
in one piece mentality of the owner/driver.

 

Take a look at the web sites of Waikiki YC, Honolulu YC, and Lahaina YC to see 
if any races are happening during your visit.  My
guess is you could weasel your way onto a boat through the yacht clubs.

 

Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seatle

  _  

From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Dennis C. 
[capt...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)


Not a TP52 but Contender, US44 AC boat daysails out of Maui.  Friend of mine 
took a ride on it a few weeks ago.  Said it was fun.

http://www.sailingonmaui.com/

Dennis C.




  _  

From: Brent Driedger 
To: C&C List  
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)


I'm planning a vacation to Oahu this November and have been granted 2 days to 
go sailing all selfish-like. Lets suppose all the
forces of the earth and sun and moon come into perfect alignment and I get 
exactly what I want, here is what I am seeking. Does
anyone know if the the following exists?
I looking for an adventure company that happens to own a TP52 and is more than 
happy to do two day racing style excursions to Maui
and back. It seems all my searching so far reveals only relaxing charters but 
that's not exactly what I'm looking for. 
Has anyone done something like that? Spirit of Canada style.

Brent Driedger
27-5 s/v Wild Rover


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Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines

[dwight veinot]

Martin

 

It doesn't take much rust to make a stain on vinyl.

 

I have some minor rust staining where the swaged joints meet the vinyl.  And
the vinyl has cracked in a few places along the lines and some staining
shows there as well.

 

The lifelines however still seem very strong and can take more than I can
push against them.I believe in fact that the stanchion bases may pull away
from the deck before the lifelines themselves failed.

 

Did you do any detailed examination to see how the rust stains related to
actual corrosion damage or better still did you try to pull them to failure.


 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin
DeYoung
Sent: February 17, 2013 4:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines

 

Based on my own observations when replacing Calypso's 10 to 20 year old
vinyl coated SS lifelines, 36 year SS lifeline are likely to fail under
stress owing to hidden corrosion.

 

Take a knife to the vinyl near an end and check how far the corrosion
travels along the strands. Rust stains at the ends of the vinyl is a hint as
to where to look first.

 

My experience is based on a salt water boat.  If you have always been in
fresh YMMV.

 

Martin

Calypso

197 C&C 43

Seattle

  _  

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[jtsai...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines

Question..Having been away from the big boat scene for a very long
time could you guys explain why vinyl coated lifelines have fallen into
such disfavor? As far as I can tell, the ones on my boat are the original 36
year old vinyl coated wire, pretty good track record there!

James

Delaney

C&C 38 MkII

Oriental, NC

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Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines

[Martin DeYoung]

Dwight,



I do not have detailed or scientific type data but more observed experience 
coupled with reading the debate as ISAF was banning the vinyl coating and 
considering the synthetics.  Some of the details may have been presented at a 
Safety at Sea seminar a few years back.



As to the failure strength of corroded wire, I read somewhere the force in Lbs 
that a lifeline would experience if a full sized crew fell into the lifeline.  
The force quoted was substantial but I do not have the referenced number at 
hand.



I replaced Calypso's vinyl coated with bare to meet race safety requirements 
for some overnight open water type races here in the PNW and for our trip 
around Vancouver Island where offshore over night passages were planned.



If one prefers the look and feel of the vinyl coating and has knowledge of the 
lifelines age and SS wire condition, observing some rust should not condemn 
them outright.  The rust I observed on Calypso's old vinyl coated SS wire was 
significant and continued both deep into the wire and several inches back from 
the termination.  I suspect I could not have broken the wire with hand force 
but based on age (10 to 15 year est age) and our trip plans it was an easy 
decision to invest in new wire.



Martin

Calypso

1970 C&C 43

Seattle


From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot 
[dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca]
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines

Martin

It doesn’t take much rust to make a stain on vinyl.

I have some minor rust staining where the swaged joints meet the vinyl.  And 
the vinyl has cracked in a few places along the lines and some staining shows 
there as well.

The lifelines however still seem very strong and can take more than I can push 
against them…I believe in fact that the stanchion bases may pull away from the 
deck before the lifelines themselves failed.

Did you do any detailed examination to see how the rust stains related to 
actual corrosion damage or better still did you try to pull them to failure.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung
Sent: February 17, 2013 4:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines


Based on my own observations when replacing Calypso's 10 to 20 year old vinyl 
coated SS lifelines, 36 year SS lifeline are likely to fail under stress owing 
to hidden corrosion.



Take a knife to the vinyl near an end and check how far the corrosion travels 
along the strands. Rust stains at the ends of the vinyl is a hint as to where 
to look first.



My experience is based on a salt water boat.  If you have always been in fresh 
YMMV.



Martin

Calypso

197 C&C 43

Seattle


From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of jtsails 
[jtsai...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List SS wire or line for lifelines
Question..Having been away from the big boat scene for a very long time 
could you guys explain why vinyl coated lifelines have fallen into such 
disfavor? As far as I can tell, the ones on my boat are the original 36 year 
old vinyl coated wire, pretty good track record there!
James
Delaney
C&C 38 MkII
Oriental, NC

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Re: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)

[Brent Driedger]

Thanks everyone for the insight. It looks like I'll be spending some time in 
the Waikiki YC trying to make new friends. I'll keep a bag with my foulies 
nearby for spur of the moment activity. I'll bet the bigger challenge will be 
getting away from there so my family doesn't feel abandoned!

Cheers
Brent Driedger
27-5 s/v Wild Rover

Sent from my iPod

On 2013-02-17, at 3:37 PM, Steve Thomas  wrote:

> I found the Waikiki YC to be very friendly and accommodating. Called the club 
> and explained who I was and what I wanted, and was
> told to come by the club race night and ask for so and so at the gate, and 
> then go sit in the bar. Got a ride on a J35 in a
> round-the-buoys PHRF race with the past commodore. Had a great time. 
> 
> Much better experience than the Cal 39 I had chartered for a day earlier in 
> the week. I did learn a few things, but sometimes you
> don't get what you pay for. Nuff said.
> 
> The rest of my Oahu visit could be characterised as expensive and worth every 
> penny.
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Martin 
> DeYoung
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:42 PM
> To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)
> 
> 
> 
> Having sailed between Oahu and Maui a few times, given the choice start in 
> Lahaina and sail to Honolulu.  If the trades are
> blowing normal to strong the upwind trip from Honolulu to Lahaina can be 
> brutal.  One year the Transpac boats that were headed to
> Lahaina for the Sauza Cup Regatta saw several dismastings and many returns to 
> Honolulu.  We persevered but at a high cost to
> comfort.  The boat was a charter so we drove it like it was rented and it 
> stood up to the stress.
> 
> 
> 
> Sailing out of Lahaina you can choose to stay in the wind shadow for light 
> easy sailing or venture out towards Molokai and
> experience trade wind sailing.  The Lahaina YC is one of my favorites for 
> having a bar / patio out over the water.  Check to see
> if your YC has privileges.
> 
> 
> 
> Sailing out of Honolulu you will quickly be in trade wind and sea conditions. 
>  Cool if racing, not so much on a cruise with
> family.  I did foredeck on a 54' IOR boat for Clipper Cup in 1982.  The mark 
> roundings were epic in the big winds and seas
> sometimes overlapped with other boats.  We experienced multiple gear 
> breakages owing to pushing hard to win vs. keeping the boat
> in one piece mentality of the owner/driver.
> 
> 
> 
> Take a look at the web sites of Waikiki YC, Honolulu YC, and Lahaina YC to 
> see if any races are happening during your visit.  My
> guess is you could weasel your way onto a boat through the yacht clubs.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> Calypso
> 
> 1970 C&C 43
> 
> Seatle
> 
>  _  
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Dennis C. 
> [capt...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:05 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)
> 
> 
> Not a TP52 but Contender, US44 AC boat daysails out of Maui.  Friend of mine 
> took a ride on it a few weeks ago.  Said it was fun.
> 
> http://www.sailingonmaui.com/
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _  
> 
> From: Brent Driedger 
> To: C&C List  
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:49 AM
> Subject: Stus-List Charter Hawaii (not c&c related)
> 
> 
> I'm planning a vacation to Oahu this November and have been granted 2 days to 
> go sailing all selfish-like. Lets suppose all the
> forces of the earth and sun and moon come into perfect alignment and I get 
> exactly what I want, here is what I am seeking. Does
> anyone know if the the following exists?
> I looking for an adventure company that happens to own a TP52 and is more 
> than happy to do two day racing style excursions to Maui
> and back. It seems all my searching so far reveals only relaxing charters but 
> that's not exactly what I'm looking for. 
> Has anyone done something like that? Spirit of Canada style.
> 
> Brent Driedger
> 27-5 s/v Wild Rover
> 
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Stus-List 1985 C&C 33 versus 1985 C&C MKII

[Robert Abbott]

Raymond:
Your 1985 C&C33 is a MKII..it is a completely different boat to a 33 
MKI, especially in the hull design..nice boats, sail really 
wellI sail a Marblehead to Halifax race on a 33 MKII.


Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2013/02/17 1:14 PM, Raymond Macklin wrote:
I have purchased a 1985 C&C 33.  I have been asked it is a MKII.  I 
have been doing research on each of them, but i have found nothing 
consistent.  My survey indicates it has a draft of 6'4" like a MKII 
but also show the weight at 9800 lbs and the MKII is at 9450 lbs.  
Don't really know what is what.  Can some please provide some insight 
to the differences?

Thanks, Lakehouse, Libertyville, IL


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