Re: Stus-List Transmission Removal (Yanmar 2qm15)

[paul waldeck]

While it's out an apart suggest you check the cone to be sure there is no
unusual wear there.

Don't ask how I know.

 

Paul Waldeck

C & C 29-2

"Second Wind"

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate
Flesness
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:07 PM
To: dre...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Transmission Removal (Yanmar 2qm15)

 

Thanks for the detailed and very helpful instructions, I successfully
removed my Kanzaki KBW-10 transmission yesterday.

I did it just like you described, with two small changes:

1. I used a car scissors jack under the engine to support it - worked fine.

2. I spent 4-5 fun hours getting it out, but maybe that's just me ( near
retirement age, I found it challenging to maneuver myself in there to get
some wrench or other on the various bolts... with enough torque or impact to
break them free in the confined spaces ...   and I had no previous
experience). 

 

Neither of the mechanics I was able to find in my area would do the removal,
so it was mine to do.

I'm having one of them do the front and rear seal replacement  - the rear
seal is the current leak problem - it was insulted a few years ago when the
bilge pump hose jumped up in the air, grabbed the spinning shaft bolts, and
wrapped its wire into ~1000 turns pressing tight into the rear seal.. I
may try to do rear engine crankshaft seal replacement too - my small oil
leak seems to be coming from there and its accessible now.

 

Fun stuff but many thanks again for the clear instructions,

 

Nate Flesness

"Sarah Jean"

1980 30-1

Siskiwit Bay Marina

Lake Superior

 

 

 

 

 

From: dre...@gmail.com [mailto:dre...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nate Flesness
Subject: Re: Stus-List Transmission Fluid leak (Yanmar 2qm15)

 

Hi Nate,

 

I am in the middle of rebuilding my 2QM15 which came with my C&C 29 mk1.   I
disagree that the engine needs to be pulled to get out the transmission.
You can pull the transmission without pulling the engine.  You will be
surprised, but the 2QM15 transmission weighs only about 20lbs.  But since
the rear motor mounts bolt to the transmission, you will have to support the
rear of the engine.   This can be done by either  stacking boards under the
oil pan (use wide boards) and/or using a block and tackle to lift from your
boom.   Connect the tackle to the middle of the boom with some good rope,
then bring other end of the tackle into the cabin/engine compartment
connecting it to the rear engine lift ring which is on the rear of the
cylinder head.  It easier than it sounds, and it should be a simple job.  I
would leave the engine mounts connected to the transmission unbolting them
from the stringers.  That way you do not change the mount adjustments
keeping your engine aligned when returned.

 

I pulled my engine out single-handedly using my boom, main sheet, and vang
block and tackle.  I first pulled the engine onto plywood into the cabin. I
then removed the transmission thinking it would reduce weight, but was
surprised by how light it was.  Using both blocks systems, I lifted the
engine up, out, and swung it over and down onto the dock next to my boat.
Using a 2X4 looped to the engine lift rings, another person and I walked the
engine off the docks.   The 2QM15 total weight is about 320lbs.

 

 

-
Paul E.
s/v Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL 

 

 

 

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Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:37:20 +
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Transmission Fluid leak (Yanmar 2qm15)
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After a couple of years of small drips, my 32 year old Yanmar started
leaking transmission fluid at an ounce an hour while motoring last weekend.
Probably from the forward seal ? where it meets the engine. It?s the big
flange ? I?ve tried to get in there to tighten bolts but not been able to
move them with the little wrenches I could get into the small spaces.
Dockside advice is I?ll have to have the engine pulled. Meanwhile I?m
stopping, checking and filling every 2-4 hours if motoring to keep the
tranny fluid at normal levels, and catching the leak in a dishpan under the
engine.

Any ideas?

If I?m paying for engine in and out, what ELSE would people recommend?
I?m thinking possibly motor mounts?? and I?ve always had a small oil leak
too (I know, they say Yanmars never leak?.).




Nate Flesness
?Sarah Jean?
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior

 

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Re: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

[Bill Coleman]

"On the Hard"  - that has a nice ring to it - but you might get a lot of
kidding about it though . . . 

<< WILL BE RENAMED ON THE HARD>>


Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


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Giannelia
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement

So some appear to have solid shafts and some have 2.25" O.D. 0.25 wall
hollow shafts.  That is what I think mine is, but am not quite sure,
although at the top of mine there is a narrower bit with a square nut which
looks welded on almost like the shaft was hollow.

I am looking at getting Competition Composites to build a new one and they
can use the old post or replace with carbon fibre. At that point, there is a
whole discussion on another forum in which I participate with respects to CF
vs SSinc full strength analysis.

I will keep the list posted.

ALEX GIANNELIA

CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED
ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006
Toronto Ontario


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Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Andrew Burton]

I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG stove 
and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank is in one 
of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though the seats appear 
to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below appears to have never 
been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I missing something?
I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a thorough 
survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight to handle 
under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33, 39, etc. Just 
looking fro some reassurance, here.

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[William Hall]

We just bought a 1985 C&C 37 this summer.  It is truly a delight to sail.
 It handles a big blow and swells well, but it still can ghost along nicely
in light air.  Very well balanced helm.
The location you describe is where our lpg tank goes.  Top flips open and
tank, solenoid etc are in there.  What year is the boat?
Bill Hall
1985 C&C 37 Starfire
Stamford, CT


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton wrote:

> I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
> stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
> is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though
> the seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
> appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
> missing something?
> I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
> thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight
> to handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33,
> 39, etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Andrew,

oooh, you're in Newport and have sailed a viking 33?

did you sail it locally?  is it still around?  

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33 
Westport Point, MA


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From: Andrew Burton 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:55:12 -0400

I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG stove 
and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank is in one 
of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though the seats appear 
to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below appears to have never 
been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I missing something?
I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a thorough 
survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight to handle 
under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33, 39, etc. Just 
looking fro some reassurance, here.

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Pete Shelquist]

Andrew - 

We've had our 37 since '05 and have had great success racing and a ton of
fun cruising.   As Bill mentioned, for a boat that's supposed to be stiffer
than the average C&C (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm),
we do pretty well in the light stuff.  

 

Ours has two LPG tanks on either side of the helm seat.  Only one is
connected at a time.  The other is a back up.  From my experience on other
boats I wouldn't be so quick to remove the CNG.  It's a nice way to go,
especially since it's already there and NG is lighter than air.  Is access
to places for refill an issue?

 

Re: sea trial, one option is to put monies in escrow to cover issues until
you do get the boat in the water and running.

 

For reference, here's a facebook page I set up for crew and projects:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/CelebrationRacing 

 

Pete

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William
Hall
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

 

We just bought a 1985 C&C 37 this summer.  It is truly a delight to sail.
It handles a big blow and swells well, but it still can ghost along nicely
in light air.  Very well balanced helm.  

The location you describe is where our lpg tank goes.  Top flips open and
tank, solenoid etc are in there.  What year is the boat?

Bill Hall

1985 C&C 37 Starfire

Stamford, CT

 

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton 
wrote:

I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though the
seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
missing something?
I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight to
handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33, 39,
etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Andrew Burton]

Thanks for the info. I hoped that's what I'd hear. The one I'm looking at
is a 1981. I guess the original owner didn't go for the LPG option so the
seats don't open. I'll have to retrofit. I we do go for this boat, I may
beg a tour of yours this winter. One of my criteria was that whatever boat
we buy must be beautiful. I think the 37 fits the bill pretty well.
Congrats on your new boat.
Andy

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:08 AM, William Hall  wrote:

> We just bought a 1985 C&C 37 this summer.  It is truly a delight to sail.
>  It handles a big blow and swells well, but it still can ghost along nicely
> in light air.  Very well balanced helm.
> The location you describe is where our lpg tank goes.  Top flips open and
> tank, solenoid etc are in there.  What year is the boat?
> Bill Hall
> 1985 C&C 37 Starfire
> Stamford, CT
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
>> stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
>> is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though
>> the seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
>> appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
>> missing something?
>> I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
>> thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight
>> to handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33,
>> 39, etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Andrew Burton]

No, I raced them in the Northwest, out of Victoria, back in the 80s. Though
I think there is one in Newport. I love that boat!


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> oooh, you're in Newport and have sailed a viking 33?
>
> did you sail it locally?  is it still around?
>
> Danny
> Lolita
> 1973 Viking 33
> Westport Point, MA
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:55:12 -0400
>
> I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
> stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
> is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though
> the seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
> appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
> missing something?
> I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
> thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight
> to handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33,
> 39, etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Andrew Burton]

Thanks, Pete. Two issues with CNG; 1, getting it and 2, apparently you use
cng at a faster rate than LPG.
Nice page. I'm not looking to race this boat, but after seeing your FB
page...
Cheers
Andy

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Pete Shelquist  wrote:

> Andrew – 
>
> We’ve had our 37 since ’05 and have had great success racing and a ton of
> fun cruising.   As Bill mentioned, for a boat that’s supposed to be stiffer
> than the average C&C (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm),
> we do pretty well in the light stuff.  
>
> ** **
>
> Ours has two LPG tanks on either side of the helm seat.  Only one is
> connected at a time.  The other is a back up.  From my experience on other
> boats I wouldn’t be so quick to remove the CNG.  It’s a nice way to go,
> especially since it’s already there and NG is lighter than air.  Is access
> to places for refill an issue?
>
> ** **
>
> Re: sea trial, one option is to put monies in escrow to cover issues until
> you do get the boat in the water and running.
>
> ** **
>
> For reference, here’s a facebook page I set up for crew and projects:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/#!/CelebrationRacing 
>
> ** **
>
> Pete
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *William
> Hall
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:09 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
>
> ** **
>
> We just bought a 1985 C&C 37 this summer.  It is truly a delight to sail.
>  It handles a big blow and swells well, but it still can ghost along nicely
> in light air.  Very well balanced helm.  
>
> The location you describe is where our lpg tank goes.  Top flips open and
> tank, solenoid etc are in there.  What year is the boat?
>
> Bill Hall
>
> 1985 C&C 37 Starfire
>
> Stamford, CT
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton 
> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
> stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
> is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though
> the seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
> appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
> missing something?
> I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
> thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight
> to handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33,
> 39, etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
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>
> 
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Alan Paul]

I have owned my 85 C&C 37 for over ten years and still appreciate it every time 
I sail it.  Fast, stable and comfortable.  My boat has a CNG range and tanks, 
but the lockers (with lids) are in place for the LPG tanks if I should ever 
want to convert.  They already have drainage and ventilation.  I really like 
the CNG because of the safety factor, but finding the filled tanks can be a 
problem.  In Mexico the CNG is not available, so I just carried a one burner 
butane stove for making the coffee or doing light cooking after the CNG tanks 
were empty.  No one really wants to be cooking below decks in Mexico anyway.  
Palapa restaurants are a lot more fun and quite inexpensive.
You will love the 37.  Mine looks like a twin to "Celebration".
 
Alan Paul
Allegra  C&C 37
Channel Islands, CA
 



From: Andrew Burton 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice


Thanks, Pete. Two issues with CNG; 1, getting it and 2, apparently you use cng 
at a faster rate than LPG.
Nice page. I'm not looking to race this boat, but after seeing your FB page...
Cheers
Andy 


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Pete Shelquist  
wrote:

Andrew – 
>We’ve had our 37 since ’05 and have had great success racing and a ton of fun 
>cruising.   As Bill mentioned, for a boat that’s supposed to be stiffer than 
>the average C&C (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm), we do 
>pretty well in the light stuff.  
> 
>Ours has two LPG tanks on either side of the helm seat.  Only one is connected 
>at a time.  The other is a back up.  From my experience on other boats I 
>wouldn’t be so quick to remove the CNG.  It’s a nice way to go, especially 
>since it’s already there and NG is lighter than air.  Is access to places for 
>refill an issue?
> 
>Re: sea trial, one option is to put monies in escrow to cover issues until you 
>do get the boat in the water and running.
> 
>For reference, here’s a facebook page I set up for crew and projects:
>https://www.facebook.com/#%21/CelebrationRacing 
> 
>Pete
> 
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Re: Stus-List Visible "grid" on the side of my C&C 37+

[Robert Gallagher]

The visible weave could be seen on the side of my  previous boat, a'72 30
MKI. It was there from at least 2001.  I was told in the survey that it was
cosmetic, or maybe by the surveyor and it was never mentioned in the actual
survey...can't recall exactly.

Strangely enough, I never remember noticing it in the water, only on the
hard.

Rob Gallagher
C&C 30 MKIII
HANUMAN

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>9. Re:  Rudder Re-build/replacement (honeys...@aol.com)
>   10. Re:  Rudder Re-build/replacement (Ron Casciato)
>   11. Re:  Rudder Re-build/replacement (Rick Brass)
>   12. Re:  Rudder Re-build/replacement (Chuck S)
>   13. Re:  Deck Cleaning Help (Jake Brodersen)
>   14. Re:  Deck Cleaning Help (Russ & Melody)
>   15. Re:  Rudder Re-build/replacement (gbraun...@comcast.net)
>   16.  Muffler (Robert Abbott)
>   17. Re:  Muffler (John Russo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Ronald B. Frerker" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Baseball
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> Well, I can see sailboats on the river from the St. Louis Arch.And I'm a
> St. Louis Cardinals fan!Go Cards!RonSTL
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> --- On Mon, 10/22/12, dwight veinot  wrote:
>
> From: dwight veinot 
> Subject: Stus-List Baseball
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Monday, October 22, 2012, 1:37 PM
>
> I've been cheering for the Giants ever since the days of Mays, McCovey,
> Cepeda and Marichal..most years there's not much to cheer about but for the
> last couple of years and especially tonight there is...so go Giants go!!!
> They do play on the Bay sort of, McCovey Cove for example, so this is sort
> of sailing related...at least you stand a chance of seeing sailboat or some
> sort of boat nearby if a ball goes into the cove
>
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> During last night's game they showed the boats in McCovey cove and a shot
> of a racing sailboat going upwind past the Presidio area.  It looked like
> typical Bay area sailing conditions, a #3, full main and current enhanced
> chop.
>
> Martin
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:38 AM
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> I've been cheering for the Giants ever since the days of Mays, McCovey,
> Cepeda and Marichal..most years there's not much to cheer about but for the
> last couple of years and especially tonight there is...so go Giants go!!!
> They do play on the Bay sort of, McCovey Cove for example, so this is sort
> of sailing related...at least you stand a chance of seeing sailboat or some
> sort of boat nearby if a ball goes into the cove
>
> Dwight Veinot
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> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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> Subject: Re: S

Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[dwight veinot]

Pete

 

What size propane cylinders?  The setup I have in my 35 MKII can only
accommodate 5 pound tanks, one on each side.Do you have the tanks in an
enclosure that has a bottom drain with overboard discharge in case of an
accidental propane leak?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shelquist
Sent: October 24, 2012 11:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

 

Andrew - 

We've had our 37 since '05 and have had great success racing and a ton of
fun cruising.   As Bill mentioned, for a boat that's supposed to be stiffer
than the average C&C (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm),
we do pretty well in the light stuff.  

 

Ours has two LPG tanks on either side of the helm seat.  Only one is
connected at a time.  The other is a back up.  From my experience on other
boats I wouldn't be so quick to remove the CNG.  It's a nice way to go,
especially since it's already there and NG is lighter than air.  Is access
to places for refill an issue?

 

Re: sea trial, one option is to put monies in escrow to cover issues until
you do get the boat in the water and running.

 

For reference, here's a facebook page I set up for crew and projects:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/CelebrationRacing 

 

Pete

 

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Hall
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

 

We just bought a 1985 C&C 37 this summer.  It is truly a delight to sail.
It handles a big blow and swells well, but it still can ghost along nicely
in light air.  Very well balanced helm.  

The location you describe is where our lpg tank goes.  Top flips open and
tank, solenoid etc are in there.  What year is the boat?

Bill Hall

1985 C&C 37 Starfire

Stamford, CT

 

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton 
wrote:

I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though the
seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
missing something?
I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight to
handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33, 39,
etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List Purchase of 2003 C&C 110- what do I need to know?

[Walt Dickie]

There is a C&C Owners forum on Sailnet 
(http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-review-purchase-forum/5239-c-c-110-a.html) 
that isn’t terribly active, but that may be useful to you. There has also been 
discussion about the boat on Sailing Anarchy: 
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=101879.

My fellow yacht club member, Paul Uhl, used to own a 110 and he spent a good 
deal of time in 2008 cataloging the evolution of the 110 and its design 
variants, and a lot of that is online at 
http://pauluhl.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/hello-world/.

I own hull #97, and race on hull # 82 with a third owner, who sails a 110 with 
a hull number in the early 90s. I’m also somewhat familiar with Paul Uhl’s old 
boat, Adrenaline, and have some familiarity with Dirk Kruger’s Mac winning 110, 
Sea Raider 
(http://www.c-cyachts.com/article/article_view.aspx?UID=406af703-4fbb-4f1b-8d18-29388cdde052)

All of the 110s I’m familiar with have had no serious build or construction 
issues, although things do happen, of course. I’d be happy to try to answer any 
questions I can. Most of the owners in this group own older C&Cs, although I 
don’t believe I’m the only 110 owner here. You can contact me directly at 
wa...@crresearch.com.

Walt Dickie
C&C 110, Hull #97
Bark!
DuSable Harbor, Chicago

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McLaughlin
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Purchase of 2003 C&C 110- what do I need to know?

I’m contemplating purchase of a 2003 C&C 110, Ricochet, in Utah. My 
understanding is the 2003 would be a vinylester resin boat (not the newer 
epoxy). What other model or year differences should I look for/know about? (It 
does have the carbon fiber spar, deep keel, but no sprit/asymmetrical chute.) 
What are the perceived weaknesses of the 110? (What should I be inspecting 
closely?) Does anyone know anything about Ricochet?
Bob
(currently a C&C 33-II owner)
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[djhaug...@juno.com]

I'm thinking to try and get out on Saturday...wanna go sailing on mine?  LOL

-- Original Message --
From: Andrew Burton 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:17:47 -0400

No, I raced them in the Northwest, out of Victoria, back in the 80s. Though I 
think there is one in Newport. I love that boat!



On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:
Andrew,
 
 oooh, you're in Newport and have sailed a viking 33?
 
 did you sail it locally? �is it still around?
 
 Danny
 Lolita
 1973 Viking 33
 Westport Point, MA

 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Andrew Burton 
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Subject: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:55:12 -0400
 
 I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG stove 
and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank is in one 
of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though the seats appear 
to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below appears to have never 
been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I missing something?
 I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a thorough 
survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight to handle 
under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33, 39, etc. Just 
looking fro some reassurance, here.
 
 Andrew Burton
 61 W Narragansett
 Newport, RI
 USA � �02840
 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Andrew Burton]

Thanks a lot Danny! That's a really nice offer, but we already have plans.
Next summer?
Andy

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:17 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

> I'm thinking to try and get out on Saturday...wanna go sailing on mine?
>  LOL
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:17:47 -0400
>
> No, I raced them in the Northwest, out of Victoria, back in the 80s.
> Though I think there is one in Newport. I love that boat!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM, djhaug...@juno.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> oooh, you're in Newport and have sailed a viking 33?
>>
>> did you sail it locally? �is it still around?
>>
>> Danny
>> Lolita
>> 1973 Viking 33
>> Westport Point, MA
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Andrew Burton 
>>  To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Subject: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
>>  Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:55:12 -0400
>>
>> I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
>> stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
>> is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though
>> the seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
>> appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
>> missing something?
>> I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
>> thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight
>> to handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33,
>> 39, etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA � �02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
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Stus-List Hot water heaters

[Joel Aronson]

*The Office *has a 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater that is starting to
rust at the bottom, so I know its days are numbered.  I could replace it
with an identical unit for about $700.  Defender and others sell a 6 gallon
Seaward unit for about $250.

Any recommendations (besides shower ashore)?

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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Maryjane Shiverick]

I have had a C&C 37 centerboard model for about ten years. She was built in 
1983. We love her. She sails very well and is fast in all conditions. Actually, 
she sails so well that I haven't dropped the centerboard in about eight years 
and don't miss it at all. We primarily cruise, but we have entered a few races 
and have been in the top four places each time. I think she would beat to 
windward a little better if I used the centerboard, but I forget it is there. 


We have two propane tanks located behind the wheel where the seats open up. 
Only one is hooked up. The other is just storage. The propane tanks are 10 lb 
tanks. They will just fit through the opening under the seat covers.

My wife tends to get seasick easily so she is at the helm all the time and 
loves the way the boat handles. We had a C&C 35 MK1 before the 37 and have 
sailed a lot of different C&C's. We think this is the best in every way.


Good luck with yours

Dave  " Webfoot"




 From: Andrew Burton 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 11:21
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
 

Thanks, Pete. Two issues with CNG; 1, getting it and 2, apparently you use cng 
at a faster rate than LPG.
Nice page. I'm not looking to race this boat, but after seeing your FB page...
Cheers
Andy 


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Pete Shelquist  
wrote:

Andrew – 
>We’ve had our 37 since ’05 and have had great success racing and a ton of fun 
>cruising.   As Bill mentioned, for a boat that’s supposed to be stiffer than 
>the average C&C (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm), we do 
>pretty well in the light stuff.  
> 
>Ours has two LPG tanks on either side of the helm seat.  Only one is connected 
>at a time.  The other is a back up.  From my experience on other boats I 
>wouldn’t be so quick to remove the CNG.  It’s a nice way to go, especially 
>since it’s already there and NG is lighter than air.  Is access to places for 
>refill an issue?
> 
>Re: sea trial, one option is to put monies in escrow to cover issues until you 
>do get the boat in the water and running.
> 
>For reference, here’s a facebook page I set up for crew and projects:
>https://www.facebook.com/#!/CelebrationRacing 
> 
>Pete
> 
>From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William Hall
>Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:09 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
> 
>We just bought a 1985 C&C 37 this summer.  It is truly a delight to sail.  It 
>handles a big blow and swells well, but it still can ghost along nicely in 
>light air.  Very well balanced helm.  
>The location you describe is where our lpg tank goes.  Top flips open and 
>tank, solenoid etc are in there.  What year is the boat?
>Bill Hall
>1985 C&C 37 Starfire
>Stamford, CT
> 
>On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton  
>wrote:
>I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG stove 
>and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank is in one 
>of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though the seats 
>appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below appears to 
>have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I missing 
>something?
>I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a thorough 
>survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight to handle 
>under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33, 39, etc. Just 
>looking fro some reassurance, here.
>
>Andrew Burton
>61 W Narragansett
>Newport, RI
>USA    02840
>
>http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>+401 965-5260
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Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters

[David Risch]

Joel,

I replaced the Raritan (for some wacko reason the PO had 110v only unit 
nstalled??!!...it is still sitting basement...anyone want it?) with a Seaward. 

Works fine but I imagine the Raritan will hold the heat longer.   We can hold 
shower-hot war for about 12 hours.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:02:36 -0400
From: joel.aron...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Hot water heaters

The Office has a 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater that is starting to rust at 
the bottom, so I know its days are numbered.  I could replace it with an 
identical unit for about $700.  Defender and others sell a 6 gallon Seaward 
unit for about $250.  

Any recommendations (besides shower ashore)?
-- 
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301 541 8551



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Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters

[Joel Aronson]

But they saved $40 by not getting the heat exchanger! Geez!

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:09 PM, David Risch  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> I replaced the Raritan (for some wacko reason the PO had 110v only unit
> nstalled??!!...it is still sitting basement...anyone want it?) with a
> Seaward.
>
> Works fine but I imagine the Raritan will hold the heat longer.   We can
> hold shower-hot war for about 12 hours.
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:02:36 -0400
> From: joel.aron...@gmail.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Hot water heaters
>
>
> *The Office *has a 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater that is starting to
> rust at the bottom, so I know its days are numbered.  I could replace it
> with an identical unit for about $700.  Defender and others sell a 6 gallon
> Seaward unit for about $250.
>
> Any recommendations (besides shower ashore)?
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 propane tanks

[Pete Shelquist]

Dwight - 10 if I recall correctly and yes.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

 

Pete

 

What size propane cylinders?  The setup I have in my 35 MKII can only
accommodate 5 pound tanks, one on each side.Do you have the tanks in an
enclosure that has a bottom drain with overboard discharge in case of an
accidental propane leak?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Shelquist
Sent: October 24, 2012 11:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

 

Andrew - 

We've had our 37 since '05 and have had great success racing and a ton of
fun cruising.   As Bill mentioned, for a boat that's supposed to be stiffer
than the average C&C (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm),
we do pretty well in the light stuff.  

 

Ours has two LPG tanks on either side of the helm seat.  Only one is
connected at a time.  The other is a back up.  From my experience on other
boats I wouldn't be so quick to remove the CNG.  It's a nice way to go,
especially since it's already there and NG is lighter than air.  Is access
to places for refill an issue?

 

Re: sea trial, one option is to put monies in escrow to cover issues until
you do get the boat in the water and running.

 

For reference, here's a facebook page I set up for crew and projects:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/CelebrationRacing 

 

Pete

 

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Hall
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

 

We just bought a 1985 C&C 37 this summer.  It is truly a delight to sail.
It handles a big blow and swells well, but it still can ghost along nicely
in light air.  Very well balanced helm.  

The location you describe is where our lpg tank goes.  Top flips open and
tank, solenoid etc are in there.  What year is the boat?

Bill Hall

1985 C&C 37 Starfire

Stamford, CT

 

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton 
wrote:

I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though the
seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
missing something?
I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight to
handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33, 39,
etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Andrew Burton]

Sounds great. My wife has a similar problem so we'll no doubt use the same
solution.
It's funny that the two aft hatches on this boat are glassed in. Even if
they didn't have propane, you'd think they'd at least be able to use the
storage.
The 37 certainly is a gorgeous boat. I hope we get her.
Andy

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Maryjane Shiverick wrote:

> I have had a C&C 37 centerboard model for about ten years. She was built
> in 1983. We love her. She sails very well and is fast in all conditions.
> Actually, she sails so well that I haven't dropped the centerboard in about
> eight years and don't miss it at all. We primarily cruise, but we have
> entered a few races and have been in the top four places each time. I think
> she would beat to windward a little better if I used the centerboard, but I
> forget it is there.
>
> We have two propane tanks located behind the wheel where the seats open
> up. Only one is hooked up. The other is just storage. The propane tanks are
> 10 lb tanks. They will just fit through the opening under the seat covers.
>
> My wife tends to get seasick easily so she is at the helm all the time and
> loves the way the boat handles. We had a C&C 35 MK1 before the 37 and have
> sailed a lot of different C&C's. We think this is the best in every way.
>
> Good luck with yours
>
> Dave  " Webfoot"
>
>   --
> *From:* Andrew Burton 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 11:21
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
>
> Thanks, Pete. Two issues with CNG; 1, getting it and 2, apparently you use
> cng at a faster rate than LPG.
> Nice page. I'm not looking to race this boat, but after seeing your FB
> page...
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Pete Shelquist <
> pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Andrew – 
> We’ve had our 37 since ’05 and have had great success racing and a ton of
> fun cruising.   As Bill mentioned, for a boat that’s supposed to be stiffer
> than the average C&C (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm),
> we do pretty well in the light stuff.  
> ** **
> Ours has two LPG tanks on either side of the helm seat.  Only one is
> connected at a time.  The other is a back up.  From my experience on other
> boats I wouldn’t be so quick to remove the CNG.  It’s a nice way to go,
> especially since it’s already there and NG is lighter than air.  Is access
> to places for refill an issue?
> ** **
> Re: sea trial, one option is to put monies in escrow to cover issues until
> you do get the boat in the water and running.
> ** **
> For reference, here’s a facebook page I set up for crew and projects:
> https://www.facebook.com/#!/CelebrationRacing 
> ** **
> Pete
> ** **
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *William
> Hall
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:09 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
>  ** **
> We just bought a 1985 C&C 37 this summer.  It is truly a delight to sail.
>  It handles a big blow and swells well, but it still can ghost along nicely
> in light air.  Very well balanced helm.  
> The location you describe is where our lpg tank goes.  Top flips open and
> tank, solenoid etc are in there.  What year is the boat?
> Bill Hall
> 1985 C&C 37 Starfire
> Stamford, CT
> ** **
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Burton 
> wrote:
> I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG
> stove and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank
> is in one of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though
> the seats appear to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below
> appears to have never been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I
> missing something?
> I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a
> thorough survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight
> to handle under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33,
> 39, etc. Just looking fro some reassurance, here.
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
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Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters

[Gary Nylander]

I may be interested. My boat just has a 110v heater as well. It quit a couple 
of years ago and with a raw water cooled engine I decided not to bother, 
but.

Where are you? How much?

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Risch 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters


  Joel,

  I replaced the Raritan (for some wacko reason the PO had 110v only unit 
nstalled??!!...it is still sitting basement...anyone want it?) with a Seaward. 

  Works fine but I imagine the Raritan will hold the heat longer.   We can hold 
shower-hot war for about 12 hours.

  David F. Risch
  (401) 419-4650 (cell)




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  From: joel.aron...@gmail.com
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Stus-List Hot water heaters

  The Office has a 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater that is starting to rust 
at the bottom, so I know its days are numbered.  I could replace it with an 
identical unit for about $700.  Defender and others sell a 6 gallon Seaward 
unit for about $250.  


  Any recommendations (besides shower ashore)?



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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Yea, would be great!  Good luck on your boat buying!

-- Original Message --
From: Andrew Burton 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:21:25 -0400

Thanks a lot Danny! That's a really nice offer, but we already have plans. Next 
summer?
Andy


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:17 PM, djhaug...@juno.com  wrote:
I'm thinking to try and get out on Saturday...wanna go sailing on mine?  LOL

-- Original Message --
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 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 adviceDate: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:17:47 -0400

No, I raced them in the Northwest, out of Victoria, back in the 80s. Though I 
think there is one in Newport. I love that boat!
 

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM, djhaug...@juno.com  
wrote:Andrew,
 
 oooh, you're in Newport and have sailed a viking 33?
 
 did you sail it locally? �is it still around?
 
 Danny
 Lolita
 1973 Viking 33
 Westport Point, MA
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Andrew Burton To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 

 Subject: Stus-List C&C 37 adviceDate: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:55:12 -0400
 I'm looking for advice on the C&C 37. the one I'm looking at Has the CNG stove 
and I'd like to convert to LPG. The obvious place to locate the tank is in one 
of the lazarette seats aft of the wheel. Unfortunately, though the seats appear 
to be opening hatches, the opening when viewed from below appears to have never 
been cut out. Has anyone else dealt with this? Am I missing something?
 I'm not going to be able to sea trial this boat, though I will have a thorough 
survey done. I ned to know that she will be as much of a delight to handle 
under sail as all the other C&Cs I've sailed; the 27, Viking 33, 39, etc. Just 
looking fro some reassurance, here.
 
 Andrew Burton
 61 W Narragansett
 Newport, RI
 USA � �02840
 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice

[Alan Paul]

CNG was on my boat originally and still is, but I have the two lockers behind 
the wheel, both sized for a bbq size LPG tank with lids and drains.  I just use 
them for storage for the stern anchor line, small containers of bbq gas, and 
extra dock lines.  
Good to hear about the other 37s. (not that there is anything wrong with a 35 
or 38LF). 
 
Alan Paul 
Allegra C&C 37 
Channel Islands Harbor, CA




From: Andrew Burton 
To: Maryjane Shiverick ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37 advice


Sounds great. My wife has a similar problem so we'll no doubt use the same 
solution. 
It's funny that the two aft hatches on this boat are glassed in. Even if they 
didn't have propane, you'd think they'd at least be able to use the storage.
The 37 certainly is a gorgeous boat. I hope we get her.
Andy


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Maryjane Shiverick  
wrote:

I have had a C&C 37 centerboard model for about ten years. She was built in 
1983. We love her. She sails very well and is fast in all conditions. Actually, 
she sails so well that I haven't dropped the centerboard in about eight years 
and don't miss it at all. We primarily cruise, but we have entered a few races 
and have been in the top four places each time. I think she would beat to 
windward a little better if I used the centerboard, but I forget it is there. 
>
>
>
>We have two propane tanks located behind the wheel where the seats open up. 
>Only one is hooked up. The other is just storage. The propane tanks are 10 lb 
>tanks. They will just fit through the opening under the seat covers.
>
>
>My wife tends to get seasick easily so she is at the helm all the time and 
>loves the way the boat handles. We had a C&C 35 MK1 before the 37 and have 
>sailed a lot of different C&C's. We think this is the best in every way.
>
>
>
>Good luck with yours
>
>
>Dave  " Webfoot"
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters

[Dennis C.]

If it were me, I'd go stainless.  Look at Isotemp. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1
Mandeville, LA

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On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> The Office has a 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater that is starting to rust 
> at the bottom, so I know its days are numbered.  I could replace it with an 
> identical unit for about $700.  Defender and others sell a 6 gallon Seaward 
> unit for about $250.  
> 
> Any recommendations (besides shower ashore)?
> 
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Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters

[Colin Kilgour]

If I was to buy a new water heater, I think I'd consider a propane one
rather than electric.

I rarely hook up to shore power anymore, so the electric heater's a
bit of a waste.

Also, being able to have a hot shower while on the hook in New England
and Maine would have been really nice.  Water's cold up there

My $0.02

Cheers
Colin


On 10/24/12, Gary Nylander  wrote:
> I may be interested. My boat just has a 110v heater as well. It quit a
> couple of years ago and with a raw water cooled engine I decided not to
> bother, but.
>
> Where are you? How much?
>
> Gary
>   - Original Message -
>   From: David Risch
>   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:09 PM
>   Subject: Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters
>
>
>   Joel,
>
>   I replaced the Raritan (for some wacko reason the PO had 110v only unit
> nstalled??!!...it is still sitting basement...anyone want it?) with a
> Seaward.
>
>   Works fine but I imagine the Raritan will hold the heat longer.   We can
> hold shower-hot war for about 12 hours.
>
>   David F. Risch
>   (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
>
>
> --
>   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:02:36 -0400
>   From: joel.aron...@gmail.com
>   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>   Subject: Stus-List Hot water heaters
>
>   The Office has a 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater that is starting to
> rust at the bottom, so I know its days are numbered.  I could replace it
> with an identical unit for about $700.  Defender and others sell a 6 gallon
> Seaward unit for about $250.
>
>
>   Any recommendations (besides shower ashore)?
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters

[Graham Collins]

Check your insurance policy before you do that...  mine would be void if 
I installed one of those.


Graham Collins
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C&C 35-III #11


Colin Kilgour wrote:

If I was to buy a new water heater, I think I'd consider a propane one
rather than electric.

I rarely hook up to shore power anymore, so the electric heater's a
bit of a waste.

Also, being able to have a hot shower while on the hook in New England
and Maine would have been really nice.  Water's cold up there

My $0.02

Cheers
Colin


On 10/24/12, Gary Nylander  wrote:

I may be interested. My boat just has a 110v heater as well. It quit a
couple of years ago and with a raw water cooled engine I decided not to
bother, but.

Where are you? How much?

Gary
   - Original Message -
   From: David Risch
   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
   Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:09 PM
   Subject: Re: Stus-List Hot water heaters


   Joel,

   I replaced the Raritan (for some wacko reason the PO had 110v only unit
nstalled??!!...it is still sitting basement...anyone want it?) with a
Seaward.

   Works fine but I imagine the Raritan will hold the heat longer.   We can
hold shower-hot war for about 12 hours.

   David F. Risch
   (401) 419-4650 (cell)




--
   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:02:36 -0400
   From: joel.aron...@gmail.com
   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
   Subject: Stus-List Hot water heaters

   The Office has a 6 gallon Raritan hot water heater that is starting to
rust at the bottom, so I know its days are numbered.  I could replace it
with an identical unit for about $700.  Defender and others sell a 6 gallon
Seaward unit for about $250.


   Any recommendations (besides shower ashore)?



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Stus-List Miscellaneous

[Robert Abbott]

I found the following in *Bold *on a Safe Boaters website 
(Canadian).didn't have the time to look up the specific 1999 Small 
Vessel Regulation that it is referring to.  If the actual Regulation 
does say this, does this mean that all us Canucks with 'wet mufflers' on 
our sailing vessels are 'offside' of the law?



 Noise Abatement

*A new regulation came into effect in 1999 under the Small Vessel 
Regulations.*


*Boats are not permitted within five miles of shore without a noise 
abatement device unless the boat was built prior to 1960.*


*This means that straight pipes are no longer permitted on boats.*

*A wet exhaust, where the exhaust is partially muffled by cooling water 
discharged through the exhaust pipes, is not considered a noise 
abatement device.*




Bob Abbott
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C&C 32 - 84
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[WWadjourn]

Check out PrecisionTemp.com.  They make a model for marine use.   I have 
one.  No insurance issues.
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi.
 
 
In a message dated 10/24/2012 7:53:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cnclistforw...@hotmail.com writes:

Check  your insurance policy before you do that...  mine would be void if 
I  installed one of those.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C  35-III #11


Colin Kilgour wrote:
> If I was to buy a new water  heater, I think I'd consider a propane one
> rather than  electric.
>
> I rarely hook up to shore power anymore, so the  electric heater's a
> bit of a waste.
>
> Also, being able  to have a hot shower while on the hook in New England
> and Maine would  have been really nice.  Water's cold up there
>
> My  $0.02
>
> Cheers
> Colin
>
>
> On  10/24/12, Gary Nylander   wrote:
>> I may be interested. My boat just has a 110v heater as  well. It quit a
>> couple of years ago and with a raw water cooled  engine I decided not to
>> bother, but.
>>
>>  Where are you? How much?
>>
>> Gary
>> - Original Message -
>>From: David  Risch
>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>   Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Hot water  heaters
>>
>>
>> Joel,
>>
>>I replaced the Raritan (for some  wacko reason the PO had 110v only 
unit
>> nstalled??!!...it is still  sitting basement...anyone want it?) with a
>>  Seaward.
>>
>>Works fine but I imagine the  Raritan will hold the heat longer.   We 
can
>> hold  shower-hot war for about 12 hours.
>>
>>David  F. Risch
>>(401) 419-4650  (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
--
>>   Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:02:36 -0400
>>From:  joel.aron...@gmail.com
>>To:  cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Subject: Stus-List Hot water  heaters
>>
>>The Office has a 6 gallon Raritan  hot water heater that is starting 
to
>> rust at the bottom, so I know  its days are numbered.  I could replace it
>> with an identical  unit for about $700.  Defender and others sell a 6 
gallon
>>  Seaward unit for about $250.
>>
>>
>> Any recommendations (besides shower  ashore)?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Miscellaneous

[Russ & Melody]

Hi Bob,
The wet exhaust referred to is probably those big powerboats that 
have risers above the waterline and the discharge is a hose with no 
muffler or lift device. I suggest our lift units are whole mufflers 
on a wet exhaust system.


as in:
http://inetmarine.com/vernaliftmufflersideanglein-topout.aspx

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 05:52 PM 24/10/2012, you wrote:
I found the following in Bold on a Safe Boaters website 
(Canadian).didn't have the time to look up the specific 1999 
Small Vessel Regulation that it is referring to.  If the actual 
Regulation does say this, does this mean that all us Canucks with 
'wet mufflers' on our sailing vessels are 'offside' of the law?




Noise Abatement



A new regulation came into effect in 1999 under the Small Vessel Regulations.

Boats are not permitted within five miles of shore without a noise 
abatement device unless the boat was built prior to 1960.


This means that straight pipes are no longer permitted on boats.

A wet exhaust, where the exhaust is partially muffled by cooling 
water discharged through the exhaust pipes, is not considered a 
noise abatement device.



Bob Abbott
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