Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[djhaug...@juno.com]

I've done some research on sitex lately.  It seems the last company that owned 
sitex (can't recall the name right now) decided they would move to Washington 
State and get out of the recreational marine market.   It was their intention 
to shut down the Sitex company.  One of the Sitex big wigs decided he didn't 
want to see the company disappear.  So, he found some backers and bought Sitex 
and re-opened on Long Island.  That was 2009.   From all of my research, it 
seemed that the only people that had anything negative to say were people that 
didn't actually own the equipment.   The few post by people that did own the 
equipment was almost always positive.  I called the GPS store and they gave 
them a good report.  I called a company called getfeetwet.com and although, he 
didn't know much about the company or their products said he hadn't heard 
anything negative about them and never had any complaints about the stuff he 
did sell from them.  He also said something I hadn't thought about.  He said 
the company has been around a long time and they were obviously selling product 
or they would have gone out of business.  Then he said that the lack of people 
complaining about Sitex could tell you something as well.  Unhappy customers 
are about 5 times more likely to go out of their way to complain in a public 
forum.  Maybe 5 out of 10.  Then, maybe 1 out of 10 happy customers feel 
compelled to go out and sing the praises of the company.  So, in saying that,  
I think I may have found one negative from an owner of sitex and I'd say I 
found about 7 or 8 from people that actually owned it and recommended it. I 
found a bunch from people not recommending it that never owned sitex stuff. I 
called sitex directly and I got through easily, and on the phone with a guy 
named Ted, one of they're techs.  He stayed on the phone with me for 20 minutes 
answering questions patiently and plainly.  He also invited me to call back 
with any other questions I may have or, if I decided to buy the sitex chart 
plotter I was interested in, for any help I may need installing and setting up 
the unit.  I felt the customer service was great in that regard.  He told me 
that, like many of the other electronics companies, they have the units built 
in Honk Kong to they're specs. I'm not recommending one way or the other.  
Thats just what I found during a couple of weeks doing google searches and 
making phone calls. Hope this is helpful,DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport 
Point, MA 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:35:44 + (UTC)


I believe Si-Tex is under new ownership. I purchased a VHF for my Mako from 
them. It failed to work when installed for it's second season. Thy replaced it, 
no questions asked, and ha worked perfectly ever since.

Chris Price
Pradel
35-1

From: "Frederick G Street" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:55:04 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

Yes, Si-Tex has been around for a while, but mostly in the inexpensive radar 
and fishfinder side of things.  Caveat emptor...
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:15 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:Okay, I found another 7" 
plotter.  It isn't touch screen but is $640 with a C-Map Max charts right in 
the box! http://www.thegpsstore.com/Sitex-EC7-GPS-Chartplotter-P2357.aspx That 
seems incredibly inexpensive from a company that has been around a while.
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Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[Rich Knowles]

Danny: Sounds as though you have done some useful research. If you decide to 
purchase, keep us informed. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-10-01, at 12:34, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

I've done some research on sitex lately.  It seems the last company that owned 
sitex (can't recall the name right now) decided they would move to Washington 
State and get out of the recreational marine market.   It was their intention 
to shut down the Sitex company.  One of the Sitex big wigs decided he didn't 
want to see the company disappear.  So, he found some backers and bought Sitex 
and re-opened on Long Island.  That was 2009.  
 
From all of my research, it seemed that the only people that had anything 
negative to say were people that didn't actually own the equipment.   The few 
post by people that did own the equipment was almost always positive.  I called 
the GPS store and they gave them a good report.  I called a company called 
getfeetwet.com and although, he didn't know much about the company or their 
products said he hadn't heard anything negative about them and never had any 
complaints about the stuff he did sell from them.  He also said something I 
hadn't thought about.  He said the company has been around a long time and they 
were obviously selling product or they would have gone out of business.  Then 
he said that the lack of people complaining about Sitex could tell you 
something as well.  Unhappy customers are about 5 times more likely to go out 
of their way to complain in a public forum.  Maybe 5 out of 10.  Then, maybe 1 
out of 10 happy customers feel compelled to go out and sing the praises of the 
company.  So, in saying that,  I think I may have found one negative from an 
owner of sitex and I'd say I found about 7 or 8 from people that actually owned 
it and recommended it. I found a bunch from people not recommending it that 
never owned sitex stuff.
 
I called sitex directly and I got through easily, and on the phone with a guy 
named Ted, one of they're techs.  He stayed on the phone with me for 20 minutes 
answering questions patiently and plainly.  He also invited me to call back 
with any other questions I may have or, if I decided to buy the sitex chart 
plotter I was interested in, for any help I may need installing and setting up 
the unit.  I felt the customer service was great in that regard.  He told me 
that, like many of the other electronics companies, they have the units built 
in Honk Kong to they're specs.
 
I'm not recommending one way or the other.  Thats just what I found during a 
couple of weeks doing google searches and making phone calls.
 
Hope this is helpful,
Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA
 


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From: Chris Price 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:35:44 + (UTC)

I believe Si-Tex is under new ownership. I purchased a VHF for my Mako from 
them. It failed to work when installed for it's second season. Thy replaced it, 
no questions asked, and ha worked perfectly ever since.

Chris Price
Pradel
35-1

From: "Frederick G Street" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:55:04 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

Yes, Si-Tex has been around for a while, but mostly in the inexpensive radar 
and fishfinder side of things.  Caveat emptor...

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
 

On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:15 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

Okay,
 
I found another 7" plotter.  It isn't touch screen but is $640 with a C-Map Max 
charts right in the box!
 
http://www.thegpsstore.com/Sitex-EC7-GPS-Chartplotter-P2357.aspx
 
That seems incredibly inexpensive from a company that has been around a while.

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Stus-List Winch surfaces

[cenelson]

Hey listers;
?
My primary winches (Lewmar 48-52 (?), grey color, not chrome) have lost most of 
their initial roughness so that now it
takes more turns than it should for the line to not slip. Given that they have 
been used regularly for ~ 17 years for club racing, 
I am not disappointed nor surprised.
?
Inside they are fine for their age and have been more or less regularly 
serviced.
?
My question is what is the best/cheapest/etc. way to get them 'roughed' up 
again. 
?
I?thought that having them sandblasted with coarse sand?could do it or maybe 
just some rough hand sanding.
?
Any others suggestions or thoughts on this problem would be appreciated. New is 
not an option!
?
Thanks,
?
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb 1995
Greenville, NC?


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Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

[Hoyt, Mike]

All
 
I have always wondered how well having a winch for sheet and all
traveller controls on Cabin top works for trimming main sail.  I am
particularly interested in hearing from those who race with this setup.
 
Growing up on a C&C36 with this system it did not seem to matter as we
were day sailing with a dodger always up and doing rough trim only.
However from a racing perspective the view planes would be far different
when sitting that far forward and the system may be awkward or not.  On
the positive side it would seem to get weight out of the cockpit.
 
What is the word from the main sail trimmers in this group?
 
On the CC115 the traveller is immediately in front of binnacle and winch
on either side for sheet as well as WW sheeting car for traveller.  Has
its owne issues but is nice because trimmer can work closely with
driver.  Probably too much weight aft though
 
Mike
main trimmer, C&C 115 Koobalibra
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Re: Stus-List Winch surfaces

[Joel Aronson]

Charlie,

Those are aluminum.  I don't know if they can take sandblasting or not.

Joel

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 9:01 AM,  wrote:

> Hey listers;
>
> My primary winches (Lewmar 48-52 (?), grey color, not chrome) have lost
> most of their initial roughness so that now it
> takes more turns than it should for the line to not slip. Given that they
> have been used regularly for ~ 17 years for club racing,
> I am not disappointed nor surprised.
>
> Inside they are fine for their age and have been more or less regularly
> serviced.
>
> My question is what is the best/cheapest/etc. way to get them 'roughed' up
> again.
>
> I thought that having them sandblasted with coarse sand could do it or
> maybe just some rough hand sanding.
>
> Any others suggestions or thoughts on this problem would be appreciated.
> New is not an option!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> C&C 36 XL/kcb 1995
> Greenville, NC
>
>  cenel...@aol.com
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Re: Stus-List Winch surfaces

[Rich Knowles]

I'd suggest taking the drums to a good machine shop and having them do a very 
light knurl of the sheet contact area, just enough to provide a bit of tooth. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-10-01, at 10:01, cenel...@aol.com wrote:

Hey listers;
 
My primary winches (Lewmar 48-52 (?), grey color, not chrome) have lost most of 
their initial roughness so that now it
takes more turns than it should for the line to not slip. Given that they have 
been used regularly for ~ 17 years for club racing,
I am not disappointed nor surprised.
 
Inside they are fine for their age and have been more or less regularly 
serviced.
 
My question is what is the best/cheapest/etc. way to get them 'roughed' up 
again.
 
I thought that having them sandblasted with coarse sand could do it or maybe 
just some rough hand sanding.
 
Any others suggestions or thoughts on this problem would be appreciated. New is 
not an option!
 
Thanks,
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C&C 36 XL/kcb 1995
Greenville, NC 

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Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

[Joel Aronson]

I trim on Pat Nevitt's 29.  The traveller is at the front of the cockpit,
not on the companionway, but the issues are the same.  I'm usually in the
companionway on the top step because there is no where else to be given the
size of the cockpit.  It is a pain in the neck (literally) to try to trim
the main upwind.  You are correct about the weight distribution, but I
suppose the grinders could move forward to compensate if it had end boom
sheeting.  My 35 has the traveller on top.  I use a fiddle block and cam
cleat rather than the winch because it is too hard to cruise solo with a
winch on the cabin top.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Hoyt, Mike  wrote:

> **
> All
>
> I have always wondered how well having a winch for sheet and all traveller
> controls on Cabin top works for trimming main sail.  I am particularly
> interested in hearing from those who race with this setup.
>
> Growing up on a C&C36 with this system it did not seem to matter as we
> were day sailing with a dodger always up and doing rough trim only.
> However from a racing perspective the view planes would be far different
> when sitting that far forward and the system may be awkward or not.  On the
> positive side it would seem to get weight out of the cockpit.
>
> What is the word from the main sail trimmers in this group?
>
> On the CC115 the traveller is immediately in front of binnacle and winch
> on either side for sheet as well as WW sheeting car for traveller.  Has its
> owne issues but is nice because trimmer can work closely with driver.
> Probably too much weight aft though
>
> Mike
> main trimmer, C&C 115 Koobalibra
>
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Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show

[Joel Aronson]

There is a SailNet gathering this Friday at 7:00 at Port Annapolis Marina.
 Is anyone else planning to go?

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Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[djhaug...@juno.com]

HI Rich, I did decide to try the sitex.  I'll keep the list posted on my 
experience.  I ended up purchasing from getfeetwet.com for $619 delivered.  I 
haven't received it yet as I just ordered Friday night. Danny

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From: Rich Knowles 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:48:50 -0300


Danny: Sounds as though you have done some useful research. If you decide to 
purchase, keep us informed. 

Rich KnowlesIndigo. LF38Halifax
On 2012-10-01, at 12:34, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

I've done some research on sitex lately.  It seems the last company that owned 
sitex (can't recall the name right now) decided they would move to Washington 
State and get out of the recreational marine market.   It was their intention 
to shut down the Sitex company.  One of the Sitex big wigs decided he didn't 
want to see the company disappear.  So, he found some backers and bought Sitex 
and re-opened on Long Island.  That was 2009.   From all of my research, it 
seemed that the only people that had anything negative to say were people that 
didn't actually own the equipment.   The few post by people that did own the 
equipment was almost always positive.  I called the GPS store and they gave 
them a good report.  I called a company called getfeetwet.com and although, he 
didn't know much about the company or their products said he hadn't heard 
anything negative about them and never had any complaints about the stuff he 
did sell from them.  He also said something I hadn't thought about.  He said 
the company has been around a long time and they were obviously selling product 
or they would have gone out of business.  Then he said that the lack of people 
complaining about Sitex could tell you something as well.  Unhappy customers 
are about 5 times more likely to go out of their way to complain in a public 
forum.  Maybe 5 out of 10.  Then, maybe 1 out of 10 happy customers feel 
compelled to go out and sing the praises of the company.  So, in saying that,  
I think I may have found one negative from an owner of sitex and I'd say I 
found about 7 or 8 from people that actually owned it and recommended it. I 
found a bunch from people not recommending it that never owned sitex stuff. I 
called sitex directly and I got through easily, and on the phone with a guy 
named Ted, one of they're techs.  He stayed on the phone with me for 20 minutes 
answering questions patiently and plainly.  He also invited me to call back 
with any other questions I may have or, if I decided to buy the sitex chart 
plotter I was interested in, for any help I may need installing and setting up 
the unit.  I felt the customer service was great in that regard.  He told me 
that, like many of the other electronics companies, they have the units built 
in Honk Kong to they're specs. I'm not recommending one way or the other.  
Thats just what I found during a couple of weeks doing google searches and 
making phone calls. Hope this is helpful,DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport 
Point, MA 

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From: Chris Price 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:35:44 + (UTC)

 
I believe Si-Tex is under new ownership. I purchased a VHF for my Mako from 
them. It failed to work when installed for it's second season. Thy replaced it, 
no questions asked, and ha worked perfectly ever since.

Chris Price
Pradel
35-1

From: "Frederick G Street" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:55:04 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

Yes, Si-Tex has been around for a while, but mostly in the inexpensive radar 
and fishfinder side of things.  Caveat emptor...
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:15 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:Okay, I found another 7" 
plotter.  It isn't touch screen but is $640 with a C-Map Max charts right in 
the box! http://www.thegpsstore.com/Sitex-EC7-GPS-Chartplotter-P2357.aspx That 
seems incredibly inexpensive from a company that has been around a while.
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Re: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show

[Della Barba, Joe]

I have to work Friday night. Saturday night is my only night free. Have to work 
Sunday night too :(

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Annapolis Boat Show

There is a SailNet gathering this Friday at 7:00 at Port Annapolis Marina.  Is 
anyone else planning to go?

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Stus-List Winch surface refurbishment

[Alex Giannelia]

I had old Barients which I had someone strip off the chrome, plate with copper, 
sandblast, then re-chrome.  Looked good, grabbed great, but one side started 
peeling some small less than dime sized chrome flakes.  Worth it in my view.

ALEX GIANNELIA

CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED
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Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[Rich Knowles]

Sounds good. Hook it up as soon as you can and see how you like it in case you 
need to return it. Better now than next spring. You can do a temporary setup. 
Set the scanner on a stepladder or similar with a good long view. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-10-01, at 13:14, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

HI Rich,
 
I did decide to try the sitex.  I'll keep the list posted on my experience.  I 
ended up purchasing from getfeetwet.com for $619 delivered.  I haven't received 
it yet as I just ordered Friday night.
 
Danny


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From: Rich Knowles 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:48:50 -0300

Danny: Sounds as though you have done some useful research. If you decide to 
purchase, keep us informed. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-10-01, at 12:34, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

I've done some research on sitex lately.  It seems the last company that owned 
sitex (can't recall the name right now) decided they would move to Washington 
State and get out of the recreational marine market.   It was their intention 
to shut down the Sitex company.  One of the Sitex big wigs decided he didn't 
want to see the company disappear.  So, he found some backers and bought Sitex 
and re-opened on Long Island.  That was 2009.  
 
From all of my research, it seemed that the only people that had anything 
negative to say were people that didn't actually own the equipment.   The few 
post by people that did own the equipment was almost always positive.  I called 
the GPS store and they gave them a good report.  I called a company called 
getfeetwet.com and although, he didn't know much about the company or their 
products said he hadn't heard anything negative about them and never had any 
complaints about the stuff he did sell from them.  He also said something I 
hadn't thought about.  He said the company has been around a long time and they 
were obviously selling product or they would have gone out of business.  Then 
he said that the lack of people complaining about Sitex could tell you 
something as well.  Unhappy customers are about 5 times more likely to go out 
of their way to complain in a public forum.  Maybe 5 out of 10.  Then, maybe 1 
out of 10 happy customers feel compelled to go out and sing the praises of the 
company.  So, in saying that,  I think I may have found one negative from an 
owner of sitex and I'd say I found about 7 or 8 from people that actually owned 
it and recommended it. I found a bunch from people not recommending it that 
never owned sitex stuff.
 
I called sitex directly and I got through easily, and on the phone with a guy 
named Ted, one of they're techs.  He stayed on the phone with me for 20 minutes 
answering questions patiently and plainly.  He also invited me to call back 
with any other questions I may have or, if I decided to buy the sitex chart 
plotter I was interested in, for any help I may need installing and setting up 
the unit.  I felt the customer service was great in that regard.  He told me 
that, like many of the other electronics companies, they have the units built 
in Honk Kong to they're specs.
 
I'm not recommending one way or the other.  Thats just what I found during a 
couple of weeks doing google searches and making phone calls.
 
Hope this is helpful,
Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA
 


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From: Chris Price 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:35:44 + (UTC)

 

I believe Si-Tex is under new ownership. I purchased a VHF for my Mako from 
them. It failed to work when installed for it's second season. Thy replaced it, 
no questions asked, and ha worked perfectly ever since.

Chris Price
Pradel
35-1

From: "Frederick G Street" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:55:04 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

Yes, Si-Tex has been around for a while, but mostly in the inexpensive radar 
and fishfinder side of things.  Caveat emptor...

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
 

On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:15 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:

Okay,
 
I found another 7" plotter.  It isn't touch screen but is $640 with a C-Map Max 
charts right in the box!
 
http://www.thegpsstore.com/Sitex-EC7-GPS-Chartplotter-P2357.aspx
 
That seems incredibly inexpensive from a company that has been around a while.

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Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[Frederick G Street]

You can buy Raymarine course computers without the drive unit; if you're 
serious interested, let me know, as I can still source those.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Sep 30, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Eric Frank wrote:

> Bob - I think Fred is right.  I looked through the Octopus installation 
> manual you referenced, and they discuss three different controller/computer 
> options. The only one I know is Raymarine - expensive, and I think you will 
> need to buy it with the wheel drive or rudder drive part included (which you 
> can then try to sell on ebay) but it works well.

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[Della Barba, Joe]

When I was a Raytheon dealer we used Octopus drives all the time instead of 
Autohelm/Raytheon drive units. We thought they were cheaper and better.

http://www.octopusmarine.ca/content/products-and-services/mechanical-drive-units.htm
These units will not work on a sailboat unless they have a very different 
steering system than the typical Edson chain and cable except for the one at 
the very bottom of the page. I would *not* use that thing myself. We had 
endless issues with every kind of autopilot drive that was not a hydraulic 
cylinder. They always seem to get a gear or part chewed up and die.

THIS is what we used:
http://www.octopusmarine.ca/content/products-and-services/linear-actuators.htm 
- Depending on the size of the boat - one of those.

Any below-decks autopilot is a multi-thousand dollar operation. This might 
explain why I have an ancient AH-4000 on my boat. Don't forget you'll need a 
rudder reference unit as well.


Joe Della Barba  Coquina

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Frederick G Street
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

You can buy Raymarine course computers without the drive unit; if you're 
serious interested, let me know, as I can still source those.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Sep 30, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Eric Frank wrote:


Bob - I think Fred is right.  I looked through the Octopus installation manual 
you referenced, and they discuss three different controller/computer options. 
The only one I know is Raymarine - expensive, and I think you will need to buy 
it with the wheel drive or rudder drive part included (which you can then try 
to sell on ebay) but it works well.

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Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[Frederick G Street]

Not on the new Raymarine units -- they're made to not need one, but you can add 
it if you want.  From what I've heard, there's only a marginal performance 
improvement now with having one, vs. not having it.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:

> Don’t forget you’ll need a rudder reference unit as well.

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Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[Della Barba, Joe]

What stops it from slamming the hydraulics to the stop then  with a LOT of 
force ???
Do you really want the pump drawing 5-10 amps or more pumping against the 
relief valve?

Joe Della Barba

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Frederick G Street
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

Not on the new Raymarine units -- they're made to not need one, but you can add 
it if you want.  From what I've heard, there's only a marginal performance 
improvement now with having one, vs. not having it.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:


Don't forget you'll need a rudder reference unit as well.

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Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

Being the lazy sod that I am, I'm looking to save some manual pumping by
installing an in-line electric fuel pump for priming the system. It will be
permanently installed in the fuel line after the Racor filter and will only
be energized when priming.

 

Has anyone a recommendation? I have prices all over the map ranging from $35
to $275.

 

 

Rich Knowles

INDIGO - LF38

Halifax, NS

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

[Della Barba, Joe]

http://www.moyermarine.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=FPMP&keywords=all&template=Templates/B000_storebuilder.html

I wouldn't pay more than what these cost. They work on gas or diesel.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
www.dellabarba.com


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Behalf Of Rich C&C
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

Being the lazy sod that I am, I'm looking to save some manual pumping by 
installing an in-line electric fuel pump for priming the system. It will be 
permanently installed in the fuel line after the Racor filter and will only be 
energized when priming.

Has anyone a recommendation? I have prices all over the map ranging from $35 to 
$275.


Rich Knowles
INDIGO - LF38
Halifax, NS



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Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

[Rich Knowles]

Thanks, Joe. That's helpful. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-10-01, at 11:59, "Della Barba, Joe"  wrote:

http://www.moyermarine.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=FPMP&keywords=all&template=Templates/B000_storebuilder.html
 
I wouldn’t pay more than what these cost. They work on gas or diesel.
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
www.dellabarba.com
 
 
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Rich C&C
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump
 
Being the lazy sod that I am, I’m looking to save some manual pumping by 
installing an in-line electric fuel pump for priming the system. It will be 
permanently installed in the fuel line after the Racor filter and will only be 
energized when priming.
 
Has anyone a recommendation? I have prices all over the map ranging from $35 to 
$275.
 
 
Rich Knowles
INDIGO - LF38
Halifax, NS
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[Frederick G Street]

The course computer is (supposedly) programmed to keep track of drive excursion.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:

> What stops it from slamming the hydraulics to the stop then  with a LOT of 
> force ???
> Do you really want the pump drawing 5-10 amps or more pumping against the 
> relief valve?
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Stus-List Spinnaker socks

[Joel Aronson]

Does anyone have opinions of the North Snuffer Plus vs. the ATN sock?  I've
used the ATN but not the North.

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Stus-List New Sail recommendations: Specifically - Neil Pryde and North Sails Direct

[Indigo]

Sorry to open this subject up again. I am in the market for new sails but
with a very limited budget.  Neil Pryde have given me what appears to be a
great quote for main and 155% genoa using Challenge Dacron.  North Sails
Direct have quoted slightly higher - but not materially -  for the same
sails made from Nordac. All other lofts I have asked for quotes are coming
in significantly higher (and well out of budget!). Any experiences (positive
and negative) with either Neil Pryde or North Sales Direct? I should add
that I do beer can racing, a couple of 60 - 90 mile races and cruise - so
higher-tech sails are probably not warranted - even if I could afford them!

 

Jonathan

Indigo 35MkIII Southport CT (Now awaiting haul-out in Milford)

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

[Fred Hazzard]

Rich:

 

Being a lazy sod and thrifty,(make that cheap)  I put a squeeze bulb between
the tank and the Racor.   It makes it easy to purge the system of air as
well as filling the fuel filter after a change.  It cost around $10 and has
been in for 7 years with no issues.  In fact, when the pick up tube in the
tank clogged I quickly diagnosed the problem by noting the bulb was flat.

 

Fred Hazzard

S/V Fury

C&C 44

 

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Rich C&C
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

 

Being the lazy sod that I am, I'm looking to save some manual pumping by
installing an in-line electric fuel pump for priming the system. It will be
permanently installed in the fuel line after the Racor filter and will only
be energized when priming.

 

Has anyone a recommendation? I have prices all over the map ranging from $35
to $275.

 

 

Rich Knowles

INDIGO - LF38

Halifax, NS

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List New Sail recommendations: Specifically - Neil Pryde and North Sails Direct

[Joel Aronson]

Jonathan,

Try 
http://nationalsail.com/mcart/index.cgi?code=3&cat=24/,agent
for Rolly Tasker.  Our boat has the same triangle as a Catalina 34 Tall, so
they discount the jib a little.  I got my 135 from them and am happy.

North Direct sometimes uses cheaper cloth than North.  Be sure to confirm
which you are getting.

My only experience with Pryde is that they do OEM sails on Bennies, and I
hate their in mast furling main, but the jib I have trimmed is fine.

I'd get at least 2 full battens in the main.  The sail will last longer!
 Find out what type of batten pocket they use on the full battens.  It
should have an integrated slug.  Otherwise, the forward edge of the batten
stopper rubs on the mast as you haul unless you are directly into the wind.

Good luck!

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Indigo  wrote:

>  Sorry to open this subject up again. I am in the market for new sails
> but with a very limited budget.  Neil Pryde have given me what appears to
> be a great quote for main and 155% genoa using Challenge Dacron.  North
> Sails Direct have quoted slightly higher – but not materially -  for the
> same sails made from Nordac. All other lofts I have asked for quotes are
> coming in significantly higher (and well out of budget!). Any experiences
> (positive and negative) with either Neil Pryde or North Sales Direct? I
> should add that I do beer can racing, a couple of 60 – 90 mile races and
> cruise – so higher-tech sails are probably not warranted – even if I could
> afford them!
>
>
>
> *Jonathan*
>
> *Indigo 35MkIII Southport CT (Now awaiting haul-out in Milford)*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

[Joel Aronson]

Fred,

Is the bulb approved for diesel?  If it is for an outboard, I'm afraid it
isn't.

Joel

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Fred Hazzard wrote:

> Rich:
>
> ** **
>
> Being a lazy sod and thrifty,(make that cheap)  I put a squeeze bulb
> between the tank and the Racor.   It makes it easy to purge the system of
> air as well as filling the fuel filter after a change.  It cost around $10
> and has been in for 7 years with no issues.  In fact, when the pick up tube
> in the tank clogged I quickly diagnosed the problem by noting the bulb was
> flat.
>
> ** **
>
> Fred Hazzard
>
> S/V Fury
>
> C&C 44
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:
> cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rich C&C
> *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2012 7:58 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Inline fuel Pump
>
> ** **
>
> Being the lazy sod that I am, I’m looking to save some manual pumping by
> installing an in-line electric fuel pump for priming the system. It will be
> permanently installed in the fuel line after the Racor filter and will only
> be energized when priming.
>
> ** **
>
> Has anyone a recommendation? I have prices all over the map ranging from
> $35 to $275.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Rich Knowles
>
> INDIGO - LF38
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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Re: Stus-List Main Masthead Sheave

[Bill Coleman]

I had a bunch of sheaves made up I would like to sell if anyone is
interested, they are 4” X 5/8” with around a 28mm hole. The Rope Groove is
12 mm.

They take a pair of Press-Fit SR8 RS Stainless steel bearings, with a ½” ID 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 animated_favicon1

 

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On Behalf Of Alan Bergen
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Main Masthead Sheave

 

Try this company for sheave replacement:  http://www.zephyrwerks.com/

Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

 

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Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

[Della Barba, Joe]

They are NOT approved for any fuel if used inside an enclosed engine room.
I have installed them for a few people. I would NEVER do it for gasoline, but 
diesel is safer. I have had them spring a leak too :(

Joe Della Barba

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

Fred,

Is the bulb approved for diesel?  If it is for an outboard, I'm afraid it isn't.

Joel
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Fred Hazzard 
mailto:fredhazz...@spiritone.com>> wrote:
Rich:

Being a lazy sod and thrifty,(make that cheap)  I put a squeeze bulb between 
the tank and the Racor.   It makes it easy to purge the system of air as well 
as filling the fuel filter after a change.  It cost around $10 and has been in 
for 7 years with no issues.  In fact, when the pick up tube in the tank clogged 
I quickly diagnosed the problem by noting the bulb was flat.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Rich C&C
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

Being the lazy sod that I am, I'm looking to save some manual pumping by 
installing an in-line electric fuel pump for priming the system. It will be 
permanently installed in the fuel line after the Racor filter and will only be 
energized when priming.

Has anyone a recommendation? I have prices all over the map ranging from $35 to 
$275.


Rich Knowles
INDIGO - LF38
Halifax, NS




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Re: Stus-List New Sail recommendations: Specifically - Neil Pryde and North Sails Direct

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Jonathan, I did this research in the spring...LOL  geeze I've done some 
research this year.  Anyway, the other inexpensive sails were Rolly Tasker.  
Most reviews from people that bought Rolly Tasker were positive and they were 
signifigantly less than North direct or anyone else for that matter.  I went 
with a local loft in the end.  Service has been great from Thurston Sails who 
build quantum sails. DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA

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From: "Indigo" 
To: 
Subject: Stus-List New Sail recommendations: Specifically - Neil Pryde and 
North Sails Direct
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 13:14:56 -0400


Sorry to open this subject up again. I am in the market for new sails but with 
a very limited budget.  Neil Pryde have given me what appears to be a great 
quote for main and 155% genoa using Challenge Dacron.  North Sails Direct have 
quoted slightly higher – but not materially -  for the same sails made 
from Nordac. All other lofts I have asked for quotes are coming in 
significantly higher (and well out of budget!). Any experiences (positive and 
negative) with either Neil Pryde or North Sales Direct? I should add that I do 
beer can racing, a couple of 60 – 90 mile races and cruise – so 
higher-tech sails are probably not warranted – even if I could afford 
them!
 
Jonathan
Indigo 35MkIII Southport CT (Now awaiting haul-out in Milford)
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

[Rich Knowles]

Thanks, Fred. That works with only two small problems: It's still manual 
labour, and I'd never be able to squeeze it and bleed the injectors at the same 
time. Arms are too short. 

I found a Facet 40104 pump for $35 + shipping in Canada. A miracle indeed!

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-10-01, at 13:45, "Fred Hazzard"  wrote:

Rich:
 
Being a lazy sod and thrifty,(make that cheap)  I put a squeeze bulb between 
the tank and the Racor.   It makes it easy to purge the system of air as well 
as filling the fuel filter after a change.  It cost around $10 and has been in 
for 7 years with no issues.  In fact, when the pick up tube in the tank clogged 
I quickly diagnosed the problem by noting the bulb was flat.
 
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C&C 44
 
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Rich C&C
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump
 
Being the lazy sod that I am, I’m looking to save some manual pumping by 
installing an in-line electric fuel pump for priming the system. It will be 
permanently installed in the fuel line after the Racor filter and will only be 
energized when priming.
 
Has anyone a recommendation? I have prices all over the map ranging from $35 to 
$275.
 
 
Rich Knowles
INDIGO - LF38
Halifax, NS
 
 
 
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Stus-List Mystic C&C Rendezvous

[Dennis C.]

I'd just like to say the event was well worthwhile.  Great venue, beautiful 
weather.  .  Thanks to the organizers, David, John, etc. for taking on the 
burden of setting it up.  The tours were lots of fun and interesting.  Thanks 
to all the photographers and videographers for recording the event and posting 
it for the list.

Deborah and I were pleased to meet everyone.  I was particularly pleased to put 
faces to the names I've seen on the list.  I was glad to see and meet some 
owners who I haven't seen on the list.

It was a great start to a relaxing week of touring Maine.  We visited a lot of 
scenic harbors, small and large.  We always kept an eye out for C&C's.  :)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

[Walt Dickie]

I trim main on a C&C 110 equipped with a cabintop traveler because the owner 
expected to cruise but instead wound up racing. It sucks. In fact, it sucks so 
bad that this winter he's finally going to open the checkbook and install a 
traveler where it belongs, at the aft end of the cockpit where it is on the 115.

With the traveler on the cabintop, especially on a boat with a long boom like 
the 110, I don't have enough leverage to control the leach  without cranking 
the sheet as taut as a bowstring. Then, with the load so high (even in fairly 
moderate wind) and, again, lacking leverage, it's next to impossible for me to 
use the traveler to adjust the angle of attack. In last week's last Beer Can  
the winds were in the high teens (true) at the start and the low 20s by the end 
of the race. In conditions like that I am absolutely unable to play the 
traveler because although I can let it down there is no power on earth that can 
haul it back up. (BTW: I'm 6'3", ~200 lbs, and in good shape.) With wind speeds 
in the mid-teens I need to put a foot up on the bulkhead, grab the sheet with 
both hands, and use my leg strength just to get the traveler to budge on a beat.

My own boat is also a C&C 110, but it's equipped with a cockpit traveler. On 
it, my wife never even seems to be trying hard to control the leach or the 
angle of attack with just a 6:1 block and no winch to rely on, even in 20+ 
winds. We were doublehanding a couple of weeks ago with winds in the upper 
teens and she was happily playing the traveler to keep the boat on its feet all 
afternoon. Next season we're going to add a 4:1 cascade to mainsheet for fine 
adjustments, but that's all we can see needing. Our traveler car is a Harken 
with windward sheeting so the main trimmer can sit forward as long as they stay 
out of the way of the genoa trimmers. On the 115, with the primaries forward 
rather than aft where they are on the 110, everything works nicely. We're 
looking at buying a pair of secondaries for Xmas so we can come closer to the 
115's cockpit layout next year.

Walt Dickie
C&C 110, Bark!
DuSable Harbor
Chicago, IL

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Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

All

I have always wondered how well having a winch for sheet and all traveller 
controls on Cabin top works for trimming main sail.  I am particularly 
interested in hearing from those who race with this setup.

Growing up on a C&C36 with this system it did not seem to matter as we were day 
sailing with a dodger always up and doing rough trim only.  However from a 
racing perspective the view planes would be far different when sitting that far 
forward and the system may be awkward or not.  On the positive side it would 
seem to get weight out of the cockpit.

What is the word from the main sail trimmers in this group?

On the CC115 the traveller is immediately in front of binnacle and winch on 
either side for sheet as well as WW sheeting car for traveller.  Has its owne 
issues but is nice because trimmer can work closely with driver.  Probably too 
much weight aft though

Mike
main trimmer, C&C 115 Koobalibra
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Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

[Hoyt, Mike]

Walt
 
On the 115 we have the factory setup with the 2:1 from boom to the
traveller car and then thru clutches to winches on coaming on each side.
It is very similar to J-120 setup.
 
When the sheet is loaded up the traveller car does not like to move
freely.  I often have to push it down with my foot which is not great
when you are easing because of a puff of wind and does not endear me
much to helmsman.  We have discussed several options to change this
setup but have gotten used to it.  Another major problem is when
shifting from downwind to upwind mode at leeward mark.  It is very slow
to pull in the sheet with this setup and often a port and a stbd grinder
are needed initially.  There has been talk of changing to a system like
the C&C99 except with a coarse and a fine tune.  Suspect nothing will
change and we will just learn to use what we have the best we can.
 
Mike
main trim on Koobalibra
C&C115 59115
Halifax
 
 



From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Walt Dickie
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question



I trim main on a C&C 110 equipped with a cabintop traveler because the
owner expected to cruise but instead wound up racing. It sucks. In fact,
it sucks so bad that this winter he's finally going to open the
checkbook and install a traveler where it belongs, at the aft end of the
cockpit where it is on the 115. 

 

With the traveler on the cabintop, especially on a boat with a long boom
like the 110, I don't have enough leverage to control the leach  without
cranking the sheet as taut as a bowstring. Then, with the load so high
(even in fairly moderate wind) and, again, lacking leverage, it's next
to impossible for me to use the traveler to adjust the angle of attack.
In last week's last Beer Can  the winds were in the high teens (true) at
the start and the low 20s by the end of the race. In conditions like
that I am absolutely unable to play the traveler because although I can
let it down there is no power on earth that can haul it back up. (BTW:
I'm 6'3", ~200 lbs, and in good shape.) With wind speeds in the
mid-teens I need to put a foot up on the bulkhead, grab the sheet with
both hands, and use my leg strength just to get the traveler to budge on
a beat. 

 

My own boat is also a C&C 110, but it's equipped with a cockpit
traveler. On it, my wife never even seems to be trying hard to control
the leach or the angle of attack with just a 6:1 block and no winch to
rely on, even in 20+ winds. We were doublehanding a couple of weeks ago
with winds in the upper teens and she was happily playing the traveler
to keep the boat on its feet all afternoon. Next season we're going to
add a 4:1 cascade to mainsheet for fine adjustments, but that's all we
can see needing. Our traveler car is a Harken with windward sheeting so
the main trimmer can sit forward as long as they stay out of the way of
the genoa trimmers. On the 115, with the primaries forward rather than
aft where they are on the 110, everything works nicely. We're looking at
buying a pair of secondaries for Xmas so we can come closer to the 115's
cockpit layout next year.

 

Walt Dickie

C&C 110, Bark!

DuSable Harbor

Chicago, IL

 

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

 

All

 

I have always wondered how well having a winch for sheet and all
traveller controls on Cabin top works for trimming main sail.  I am
particularly interested in hearing from those who race with this setup.

 

Growing up on a C&C36 with this system it did not seem to matter as we
were day sailing with a dodger always up and doing rough trim only.
However from a racing perspective the view planes would be far different
when sitting that far forward and the system may be awkward or not.  On
the positive side it would seem to get weight out of the cockpit.

 

What is the word from the main sail trimmers in this group?

 

On the CC115 the traveller is immediately in front of binnacle and winch
on either side for sheet as well as WW sheeting car for traveller.  Has
its owne issues but is nice because trimmer can work closely with
driver.  Probably too much weight aft though

 

Mike

main trimmer, C&C 115 Koobalibra

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Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

[Greg Arnold]

  
  
Rather than "cranking the sheet as taut
  as a bowstring," couldn't you tighten the boom vang?  That should
  keep the load on the traveler at a manageable level.
  
  
  On 10/1/2012 11:30 AM, Walt Dickie wrote:


  
  
  
  
I
trim main on a C&C 110 equipped with a cabintop traveler
because the owner expected to cruise but instead wound up
racing. It sucks. In fact, it sucks so bad that this winter
he’s finally going to open the checkbook and install a
traveler where it belongs, at the aft end of the cockpit
where it is on the 115. 
 
With
the traveler on the cabintop, especially on a boat with a
long boom like the 110, I don’t have enough leverage to
control the leach  without cranking the sheet as taut as a
bowstring. Then, with the load so high (even in fairly
moderate wind) and, again, lacking leverage, it’s next to
impossible for me to use the traveler to adjust the angle of
attack. In last week’s last Beer Can  the winds were in the
high teens (true) at the start and the low 20s by the end of
the race. In conditions like that I am absolutely unable to
play the traveler because although I can let it down there
is no power on earth that can haul it back up. (BTW: I’m
6’3”, ~200 lbs, and in good shape.) With wind speeds in the
mid-teens I need to put a foot up on the bulkhead, grab the
sheet with both hands, and use my leg strength just to get
the traveler to budge on a beat. 
 
My
own boat is also a C&C 110, but it’s equipped with a
cockpit traveler. On it, my wife never even seems to be
trying hard to control the leach or the angle of attack with
just a 6:1 block and no winch to rely on, even in 20+ winds.
We were doublehanding a couple of weeks ago with winds in
the upper teens and she was happily playing the traveler to
keep the boat on its feet all afternoon. Next season we’re
going to add a 4:1 cascade to mainsheet for fine
adjustments, but that’s all we can see needing. Our traveler
car is a Harken with windward sheeting so the main trimmer
can sit forward as long as they stay out of the way of the
genoa trimmers. On the 115, with the primaries forward
rather than aft where they are on the 110, everything works
nicely. We’re looking at buying a pair of secondaries for
Xmas so we can come closer to the 115’s cockpit layout next
year.
 
Walt
Dickie
C&C
110, Bark!
DuSable
Harbor
Chicago,
IL
 

  
From:
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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller
question
  

 

  All


   


  I
  have always wondered how well having a winch for sheet and
  all traveller controls on Cabin top works for trimming
  main sail.  I am particularly interested in hearing from
  those who race with this setup.


   


  Growing
  up on a C&C36 with this system it did not seem to
  matter as we were day sailing with a dodger always up and
  doing rough trim only.  However from a racing perspective
  the view planes would be far different when sitting that
  far forward and the system may be awkward or not.  On the
  positive side it would seem to get weight out of the
  cockpit.


   


  What
  is the word from the main sail trimmers in this group?


   


  On
  the CC115 the traveller is immediately in front of
  binnacle and winch on either side for sheet as well as WW
  sheeting car for traveller.  Has its owne issues but is
  nice because trimmer can work closely with driver. 
  Probably too much weight aft though


   


  Mike


  main
  trimmer, C&C 115 Koobalibra

  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

[Walt Dickie]

Is the car a Harken? We've had our 110 since 2005 and we had exactly the same 
issues you describe with the car. The problem is with the hard plastic (Delrin? 
Can't remember.) ball bearings, which need to be (a) regularly rinsed clean 
with fresh water and (2) replaced at least every season or two. On our car 
they're held in the race by a retainer, so taking the car off the track and 
checking them is painless. There's a large screw that holds the track end cap 
in place, and all you have to do it take it out to allow the car to come off 
the track. I clean them by just turning the hose on them.

The bearings are a sort of greenish color, and when they're new the surface is 
uniform. After a few months' use you'll begin to see tiny dark spots appear - 
like the mark left by a dull pencil point - and over time these will get bigger 
- the size of a tick. The car will run on the track OK until a lot of the 
larger dark marks accumulate, then it will begin to stick, just as you're 
describing. I've seen this progression unfold at least twice now. The Harken 
folks were very helpful a few years ago when I talked to them at Strictly Sail, 
and they said that although frequent washing helps, eventually you have to 
replace the balls. It's easy to do, but of course they cost an arm and a leg.

I was going to replace mine last winter when I saw an ad for McLube Bearing 
Conditioner. It's a new product that looks like a clear oil and comes in a tube 
with a nozzle the size of a needle. The instructions said to clean the 
bearings, let them dry, then put a single drop on each ball. I figured this was 
going to be completely bogus, but in fact it works like a d*mn charm. I got a 
whole extra season out my worn bearings, with no sticking, and have almost a 
full tube of McLube for future use. It cost something like $10 for a 1-ounce 
tube but it worked amazingly well.

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

Walt

On the 115 we have the factory setup with the 2:1 from boom to the traveller 
car and then thru clutches to winches on coaming on each side.  It is very 
similar to J-120 setup.

When the sheet is loaded up the traveller car does not like to move freely.  I 
often have to push it down with my foot which is not great when you are easing 
because of a puff of wind and does not endear me much to helmsman.  We have 
discussed several options to change this setup but have gotten used to it.  
Another major problem is when shifting from downwind to upwind mode at leeward 
mark.  It is very slow to pull in the sheet with this setup and often a port 
and a stbd grinder are needed initially.  There has been talk of changing to a 
system like the C&C99 except with a coarse and a fine tune.  Suspect nothing 
will change and we will just learn to use what we have the best we can.

Mike
main trim on Koobalibra
C&C115 59115
Halifax




From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Walt Dickie
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question
I trim main on a C&C 110 equipped with a cabintop traveler because the owner 
expected to cruise but instead wound up racing. It sucks. In fact, it sucks so 
bad that this winter he's finally going to open the checkbook and install a 
traveler where it belongs, at the aft end of the cockpit where it is on the 115.

With the traveler on the cabintop, especially on a boat with a long boom like 
the 110, I don't have enough leverage to control the leach  without cranking 
the sheet as taut as a bowstring. Then, with the load so high (even in fairly 
moderate wind) and, again, lacking leverage, it's next to impossible for me to 
use the traveler to adjust the angle of attack. In last week's last Beer Can  
the winds were in the high teens (true) at the start and the low 20s by the end 
of the race. In conditions like that I am absolutely unable to play the 
traveler because although I can let it down there is no power on earth that can 
haul it back up. (BTW: I'm 6'3", ~200 lbs, and in good shape.) With wind speeds 
in the mid-teens I need to put a foot up on the bulkhead, grab the sheet with 
both hands, and use my leg strength just to get the traveler to budge on a beat.

My own boat is also a C&C 110, but it's equipped with a cockpit traveler. On 
it, my wife never even seems to be trying hard to control the leach or the 
angle of attack with just a 6:1 block and no winch to rely on, even in 20+ 
winds. We were doublehanding a couple of weeks ago with winds in the upper 
teens and she was happily playing the traveler to keep the boat on its feet all 
afternoon. Next season we're goin

Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

[Walt Dickie]

Yep. I do that, too, but the vang attaches even further forward on the boom 
than the sheet and I can't get the pressure I need without a lot of sheet 
tension. The boom on a 110 is 15' long and the sheet is attached about 1/3 of 
the way back. It's really hard to haul down hard enough to keep the head of the 
sail from falling off in any significant wind.

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Arnold
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 2:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

Rather than "cranking the sheet as taut as a bowstring," couldn't you tighten 
the boom vang?  That should keep the load on the traveler at a manageable level.


On 10/1/2012 11:30 AM, Walt Dickie wrote:
I trim main on a C&C 110 equipped with a cabintop traveler because the owner 
expected to cruise but instead wound up racing. It sucks. In fact, it sucks so 
bad that this winter he's finally going to open the checkbook and install a 
traveler where it belongs, at the aft end of the cockpit where it is on the 115.

With the traveler on the cabintop, especially on a boat with a long boom like 
the 110, I don't have enough leverage to control the leach  without cranking 
the sheet as taut as a bowstring. Then, with the load so high (even in fairly 
moderate wind) and, again, lacking leverage, it's next to impossible for me to 
use the traveler to adjust the angle of attack. In last week's last Beer Can  
the winds were in the high teens (true) at the start and the low 20s by the end 
of the race. In conditions like that I am absolutely unable to play the 
traveler because although I can let it down there is no power on earth that can 
haul it back up. (BTW: I'm 6'3", ~200 lbs, and in good shape.) With wind speeds 
in the mid-teens I need to put a foot up on the bulkhead, grab the sheet with 
both hands, and use my leg strength just to get the traveler to budge on a beat.

My own boat is also a C&C 110, but it's equipped with a cockpit traveler. On 
it, my wife never even seems to be trying hard to control the leach or the 
angle of attack with just a 6:1 block and no winch to rely on, even in 20+ 
winds. We were doublehanding a couple of weeks ago with winds in the upper 
teens and she was happily playing the traveler to keep the boat on its feet all 
afternoon. Next season we're going to add a 4:1 cascade to mainsheet for fine 
adjustments, but that's all we can see needing. Our traveler car is a Harken 
with windward sheeting so the main trimmer can sit forward as long as they stay 
out of the way of the genoa trimmers. On the 115, with the primaries forward 
rather than aft where they are on the 110, everything works nicely. We're 
looking at buying a pair of secondaries for Xmas so we can come closer to the 
115's cockpit layout next year.

Walt Dickie
C&C 110, Bark!
DuSable Harbor
Chicago, IL

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

All

I have always wondered how well having a winch for sheet and all traveller 
controls on Cabin top works for trimming main sail.  I am particularly 
interested in hearing from those who race with this setup.

Growing up on a C&C36 with this system it did not seem to matter as we were day 
sailing with a dodger always up and doing rough trim only.  However from a 
racing perspective the view planes would be far different when sitting that far 
forward and the system may be awkward or not.  On the positive side it would 
seem to get weight out of the cockpit.

What is the word from the main sail trimmers in this group?

On the CC115 the traveller is immediately in front of binnacle and winch on 
either side for sheet as well as WW sheeting car for traveller.  Has its owne 
issues but is nice because trimmer can work closely with driver.  Probably too 
much weight aft though

Mike
main trimmer, C&C 115 Koobalibra




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Stus-List Avenir C&C 41 recovered

[ELevert]

Race sloop also recovered
The discovery in local waters of a sailboat lost since last year has 
coincided with the recovery of another vessel, abandoned on its way home 
from Bermuda.
The 41ft sloop Avenir, which left the Island in June following the Newport 
to Bermuda race, fell victim to Tropical Storm Debbie, and spent 13 days 
adrift.
She was towed into harbour at Bristol, Rhode Island on Monday, according 
to the news site EastBayRI.com.
Just one day out of Bermuda, the storm broke the boat?s rudder, and its 
crew of six had to be rescued by the cruise vessel Norwegian Star.
However, a transponder put aboard for the race allowed owners Joe and 
Linda Murray to track the Avenir, which drifted to 370 miles southeast of 
Newport.
She got close enough for a salvage vessel to tow her back into port.
According to the online site, the last meal cooked on board remained 
intact on the stove ? a pot of jambalaya.
Useful website: www.eastbayri.com.

Ed
C&C 30 Mk I
Dream Girl
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Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

[djhaug...@juno.com]

Hi Rich, I only ordered the chart plotter for now.  I'm still contemplating the 
radar and going to wait and see how much I like the plotter. I'll try and get 
that on before I pull the boat! I still have to install the auto pilot as well 
and I have hopes of getting that in before she's pulled as well... Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Rich Knowles 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:41:16 -0300


Sounds good. Hook it up as soon as you can and see how you like it in case you 
need to return it. Better now than next spring. You can do a temporary setup. 
Set the scanner on a stepladder or similar with a good long view. 

Rich KnowlesIndigo. LF38Halifax
On 2012-10-01, at 13:14, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

HI Rich, I did decide to try the sitex.  I'll keep the list posted on my 
experience.  I ended up purchasing from getfeetwet.com for $619 delivered.  I 
haven't received it yet as I just ordered Friday night. Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Rich Knowles 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:48:50 -0300

 
Danny: Sounds as though you have done some useful research. If you decide to 
purchase, keep us informed. 

Rich KnowlesIndigo. LF38Halifax
On 2012-10-01, at 12:34, "djhaug...@juno.com"  wrote:

I've done some research on sitex lately.  It seems the last company that owned 
sitex (can't recall the name right now) decided they would move to Washington 
State and get out of the recreational marine market.   It was their intention 
to shut down the Sitex company.  One of the Sitex big wigs decided he didn't 
want to see the company disappear.  So, he found some backers and bought Sitex 
and re-opened on Long Island.  That was 2009.   From all of my research, it 
seemed that the only people that had anything negative to say were people that 
didn't actually own the equipment.   The few post by people that did own the 
equipment was almost always positive.  I called the GPS store and they gave 
them a good report.  I called a company called getfeetwet.com and although, he 
didn't know much about the company or their products said he hadn't heard 
anything negative about them and never had any complaints about the stuff he 
did sell from them.  He also said something I hadn't thought about.  He said 
the company has been around a long time and they were obviously selling product 
or they would have gone out of business.  Then he said that the lack of people 
complaining about Sitex could tell you something as well.  Unhappy customers 
are about 5 times more likely to go out of their way to complain in a public 
forum.  Maybe 5 out of 10.  Then, maybe 1 out of 10 happy customers feel 
compelled to go out and sing the praises of the company.  So, in saying that,  
I think I may have found one negative from an owner of sitex and I'd say I 
found about 7 or 8 from people that actually owned it and recommended it. I 
found a bunch from people not recommending it that never owned sitex stuff. I 
called sitex directly and I got through easily, and on the phone with a guy 
named Ted, one of they're techs.  He stayed on the phone with me for 20 minutes 
answering questions patiently and plainly.  He also invited me to call back 
with any other questions I may have or, if I decided to buy the sitex chart 
plotter I was interested in, for any help I may need installing and setting up 
the unit.  I felt the customer service was great in that regard.  He told me 
that, like many of the other electronics companies, they have the units built 
in Honk Kong to they're specs. I'm not recommending one way or the other.  
Thats just what I found during a couple of weeks doing google searches and 
making phone calls. Hope this is helpful,DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport 
Point, MA 

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From: Chris Price 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:35:44 + (UTC)

 
I believe Si-Tex is under new ownership. I purchased a VHF for my Mako from 
them. It failed to work when installed for it's second season. Thy replaced it, 
no questions asked, and ha worked perfectly ever since.

Chris Price
Pradel
35-1

From: "Frederick G Street" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:55:04 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List chartplotter/radar

Yes, Si-Tex has been around for a while, but mostly in the inexpensive radar 
and fishfinder side of things.  Caveat emptor...
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:15 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote:Okay, I found another 7" 
plotter.  It isn't touch screen but is $640 with a C-Map Max charts right in 
the box! http://www.thegpsstore.com/Sitex-EC7-GPS-Chartplotter-P2357.aspx That 
seems incredibly inexpensive from a company that has been around a while.

Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

[dreuge]

Hi,

Even if your arms were long enough, you still could not bleed the injectors.   
You also will not be able to bleed the injectors with an electric pump.  The 
bulb, lift, or electric pump is good for bleeding lines to the injector pump.  
To bleed injectors, one needs to turn the engine crank so that the injector 
pump provide high pressure fuel to the injectors.  


-
Paul E.
s/v Johanna Rose
C&C 29 mk1
Carrabelle, FL

On Oct 1, 2012, at 2:30 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 14:58:18 -0300
> From: Rich Knowles 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump
> Message-ID: <0f8de81c-0960-4563-a25d-4eb48866d...@sailpower.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks, Fred. That works with only two small problems: It's still manual 
> labour, and I'd never be able to squeeze it and bleed the injectors at the 
> same time. Arms are too short. 
> 
> I found a Facet 40104 pump for $35 + shipping in Canada. A miracle indeed!
> 
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax

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Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump

[Rich Knowles]

Thanks. True statement

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2012-10-01, at 18:04, dre...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Even if your arms were long enough, you still could not bleed the injectors.   
You also will not be able to bleed the injectors with an electric pump.  The 
bulb, lift, or electric pump is good for bleeding lines to the injector pump.  
To bleed injectors, one needs to turn the engine crank so that the injector 
pump provide high pressure fuel to the injectors.  


-
Paul E.
s/v Johanna Rose
C&C 29 mk1
Carrabelle, FL

On Oct 1, 2012, at 2:30 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 14:58:18 -0300
> From: Rich Knowles 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Inline fuel Pump
> Message-ID: <0f8de81c-0960-4563-a25d-4eb48866d...@sailpower.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks, Fred. That works with only two small problems: It's still manual 
> labour, and I'd never be able to squeeze it and bleed the injectors at the 
> same time. Arms are too short. 
> 
> I found a Facet 40104 pump for $35 + shipping in Canada. A miracle indeed!
> 
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax

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Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

[dwight veinot]

I think the mainsail trimmer and the helmsman needs close contact.to talk
with each other easily.on the cabin top the jib trimmers are in the way

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: October 1, 2012 10:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question

 

All

 

I have always wondered how well having a winch for sheet and all traveller
controls on Cabin top works for trimming main sail.  I am particularly
interested in hearing from those who race with this setup.

 

Growing up on a C&C36 with this system it did not seem to matter as we were
day sailing with a dodger always up and doing rough trim only.  However from
a racing perspective the view planes would be far different when sitting
that far forward and the system may be awkward or not.  On the positive side
it would seem to get weight out of the cockpit.

 

What is the word from the main sail trimmers in this group?

 

On the CC115 the traveller is immediately in front of binnacle and winch on
either side for sheet as well as WW sheeting car for traveller.  Has its
owne issues but is nice because trimmer can work closely with driver.
Probably too much weight aft though

 

Mike

main trimmer, C&C 115 Koobalibra

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Re: Stus-List New Sail recommendations: Specifically - Neil Pryde and North Sails Direct

[Ted Drossos]

I've purchased four Neil Pryde sails in the past and was happy with the overall 
construction and detailing. I knew exactly what sail materials they were going 
to use before committing to the purchase. They were racing sails built with a 
high tenacity dacron fabric. They sent samples and specifications for each 
material used. Be cautious when you're shopping for sails based on price alone. 
There are huge differences in the quality of materials. My original OEM sails  
built by Neil Pryde (not for my C&C) were as soft as toilet tissue and could 
not hold a reasonable shape when wind speed approached their upper design 
limit. Know what you're getting then compare prices.
 
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Re: Stus-List mainsheet/traveller question

[Chuck S]

I agree with Dwight. The main affects helm so much and both need to be 
coordinated in the turns. I like having the main trimmer close. 
I like our setup, but there are so many options. 

We moved our traveller in front of the pedestal guard and close to the cockpit 
floor and added pulleys and jamcleats so the crosshauls and 24:1 fine tune are 
on either side of the cockpit and at the edge of the coaming, dinghy style. The 
6:1 mainsheet attaches to the 15 ft boom at about 13 ft from the goosneck, so 
it has tremendous leverage and control, and all controls can also be reached by 
the helmsman, which works when I daysail shorthanded. Pulling the crosshaul is 
a pull up and if powered up, allows you to use your legs, and keeps you on your 
seat, and in the boat. Never need to kick the traveller car or the jam cleats; 
just pull gently on the 24:1 fine tune, or let some out. 

Pictures at: 
http://photobucket.com/ResoluteDetails 



Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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From: "dwight veinot"  
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Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 7:51:37 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question 




I think the mainsail trimmer and the helmsman needs close contact…to talk with 
each other easily…on the cabin top the jib trimmers are in the way 




Dwight Veinot 

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 




From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: October 1, 2012 10:02 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Cabin top mainsheet/traveller question 




All 





I have always wondered how well having a winch for sheet and all traveller 
controls on Cabin top works for trimming main sail. I am particularly 
interested in hearing from those who race with this setup. 





Growing up on a C&C36 with this system it did not seem to matter as we were day 
sailing with a dodger always up and doing rough trim only. However from a 
racing perspective the view planes would be far different when sitting that far 
forward and the system may be awkward or not. On the positive side it would 
seem to get weight out of the cockpit. 





What is the word from the main sail trimmers in this group? 





On the CC115 the traveller is immediately in front of binnacle and winch on 
either side for sheet as well as WW sheeting car for traveller. Has its owne 
issues but is nice because trimmer can work closely with driver. Probably too 
much weight aft though 





Mike 


main trimmer, C&C 115 Koobalibra 



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Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall 39

[Briard6]

I am new to this group, and wonder if someone might help me. My wood panel  
surrounding/supporting the battery switches and breaker panel was severely  
damaged by water (it's a long story...). 
 
I am trying to have another piece made, but there is not enough left of the 
 original in order to find the dimensions I need. Is there a Landfall 39 
owner  out there who might be able to provide dimensions. In particular, I 
need the  overall height and width of the wood piece which houses the panel and 
battery  switches.
 
I am in Virginia, and the boat is in Florida, so I cannot measure  myself.
 
Many thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall 39

[LKL Architects]

Bill,

I have a LF 39.  Contact me off line 830.379.0920

Lloyd
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  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall 39


  I am new to this group, and wonder if someone might help me. My wood panel 
surrounding/supporting the battery switches and breaker panel was severely 
damaged by water (it's a long story...). 

  I am trying to have another piece made, but there is not enough left of the 
original in order to find the dimensions I need. Is there a Landfall 39 owner 
out there who might be able to provide dimensions. In particular, I need the 
overall height and width of the wood piece which houses the panel and battery 
switches.

  I am in Virginia, and the boat is in Florida, so I cannot measure myself.

  Many thanks in advance.

  Bill


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Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall 39

[Briard6]

Lloyd,
 
Many thanks for your reply.
 
Please let me know a convenient time to call you. 
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 10/1/2012 9:51:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lklarchite...@gmail.com writes:

Bill,
 
I have a LF 39.  Contact me off line  830.379.0920
 
Lloyd

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To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)  
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:47  PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall  39


I am new to this group, and wonder if someone might help me. My wood  panel 
surrounding/supporting the battery switches and breaker panel was  severely 
damaged by water (it's a long story...). 
 
I am trying to have another piece made, but there is not enough left of  
the original in order to find the dimensions I need. Is there a Landfall 39  
owner out there who might be able to provide dimensions. In particular, I  
need the overall height and width of the wood piece which houses the panel  
and battery switches.
 
I am in Virginia, and the boat is in Florida, so I cannot measure  myself.
 
Many thanks in advance.
 
Bill
 

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Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall 39

[LKL Architects]

you can call nowhappy to chat with you.
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  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall 39


  Lloyd,

  Many thanks for your reply.

  Please let me know a convenient time to call you. 

  Bill

  In a message dated 10/1/2012 9:51:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
lklarchite...@gmail.com writes:
Bill,

I have a LF 39.  Contact me off line 830.379.0920

Lloyd
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  From: bria...@aol.com 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall 39


  I am new to this group, and wonder if someone might help me. My wood 
panel surrounding/supporting the battery switches and breaker panel was 
severely damaged by water (it's a long story...). 

  I am trying to have another piece made, but there is not enough left of 
the original in order to find the dimensions I need. Is there a Landfall 39 
owner out there who might be able to provide dimensions. In particular, I need 
the overall height and width of the wood piece which houses the panel and 
battery switches.

  I am in Virginia, and the boat is in Florida, so I cannot measure myself.

  Many thanks in advance.

  Bill


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Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall 39

[Briard6]

Lloyd,
 
Will do.
 
Bill
 
 
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lklarchite...@gmail.com writes:

you can call nowhappy to chat with  you.

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From:  _Briard6@aol.com_ (mailto:bria...@aol.com)  
To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)  
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:14  PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1986 Landfall  39


Lloyd,
 
Many thanks for your reply.
 
Please let me know a convenient time to call you. 
 
Bill
 
 
In a message dated 10/1/2012 9:51:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_lklarchitects@gmail.com_ (mailto:lklarchite...@gmail.com)   writes:

Bill,
 
I have a LF 39.  Contact me off  line 830.379.0920
 
Lloyd

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To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)  
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:47  PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1986  Landfall 39


I am new to this group, and wonder if someone might help me. My  wood panel 
surrounding/supporting the battery switches and breaker panel  was severely 
damaged by water (it's a long story...). 
 
I am trying to have another piece made, but there is not enough  left of 
the original in order to find the dimensions I need. Is there a  Landfall 39 
owner out there who might be able to provide dimensions. In  particular, I 
need the overall height and width of the wood piece which  houses the panel 
and battery switches.
 
I am in Virginia, and the boat is in Florida, so I cannot measure  myself.
 
Many thanks in advance.
 
Bill
 

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