Re: Intel/Altera Dev, Seeking Quartus II old versions

[Will Cooke via cctalk]

> On 02/21/2021 9:59 PM Ethan O'Toole  wrote:
> 
> Awesome! Much thanks for posting those. My friend said they're both
> Windows, not linux. He added them to his collection but is still on the
> lookout for "full linux archive of 12."
> 
> Note - I'm an innocent bystander here. I have an idea what the software is
> for, but never used it.
> 
> My friend's twitter thing is https://twitter.com/edgetriggered
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> - Ethan

Well, let's try again.  This one is specifically labeled as Linux, so maybe 
it's the right one.
http://wrcooke.net/quartus/12.1sp1_243_quartus_free_linux.tar.gz

Also, feel free to give my email address to your friend.  I probably have some 
other related files stashed away somewhere and would be happy to look for them.

Will

"A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new." -- Albert Einstein

Re: Keys for startech 25U server rack

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 2/23/21 7:43 AM, Joshua Rice wrote:
Deviant Ollam on Youtube does some fantastic lectures/videos on physical 
security, and makes it horrifyingly clear how pointless locks and 
physical security often is.


Locks, of any type, only keep honest people honest.

Actually stopping would be bad actors is an entirely different problem.

To whit, many locks / enclosures are simply tamper evidence tags.



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Keys for startech 25U server rack

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 2/23/21 9:09 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> On 2/23/21 7:43 AM, Joshua Rice wrote:
>> Deviant Ollam on Youtube does some fantastic lectures/videos on
>> physical security, and makes it horrifyingly clear how pointless locks
>> and physical security often is.
> 
> Locks, of any type, only keep honest people honest.
> 
> Actually stopping would be bad actors is an entirely different problem.
> 
> To whit, many locks / enclosures are simply tamper evidence tags.

I did check with Startech and they used to offer replacement keys *with*
replacement door locks only.   It seems they're out of replacements.

For whatever reason, the front and back doors use a double-sided key
that's quite different from the side panels, which use what look to be
commodity cam locks.

Oh well, not that I want to lock this thing, but the side panels use the
cam locks as part of the retention mechanism.   At least those can be
easily and cheaply replaced.

--Chuck

VAX 11/750

[Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk]

Hi!

Just stumbled over https://www.ebay.de/itm/265064917329 .  Is it a
system somebody of you is offering? Given that it would need to be
shipped through Europe and is in unknown condition, I'd probably
bid a few Euros on it.

MfG, JBG

-- 

Re: VAX 11/750

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 2/23/21 4:16 PM, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Just stumbled over https://www.ebay.de/itm/265064917329 .  Is it a
> system somebody of you is offering? Given that it would need to be
> shipped through Europe and is in unknown condition, I'd probably
> bid a few Euros on it.
> 
> MfG, JBG

You'd better hurry up--someone's bid €1.00 already! :)

--Chuck

Re: VAX 11/750

[Chris Zach via cctalk]

Wow, I've always wanted an 11/750. Not sure why, the small box size is 
impressive and all that. However it doesn't look like that one has a 
MASSBUS adapter so I will have to pass...


And I just gave away a M7850 memory board :-)

C

On 2/23/2021 8:02 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

On 2/23/21 4:16 PM, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote:

Hi!

Just stumbled over https://www.ebay.de/itm/265064917329 .  Is it a
system somebody of you is offering? Given that it would need to be
shipped through Europe and is in unknown condition, I'd probably
bid a few Euros on it.

MfG, JBG


You'd better hurry up--someone's bid €1.00 already! :)

--Chuck

archive of DEC Notes

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

Does anyone have contact information for the proprietor of this site:
http://www.activityclub.org/decnotes/
The site has an index of messages archived from DEC's internal "Notes"
(kind of their equivalent of UseNet).

It appears from the "Download this site" page that at one time it was
possible to download an archive of the actual content, but the hosting used
for that only provides one week of free hosting, which has expired.

I don't need the entire archive (though I'd like to get it), but I'd
especially like to get messages from milkwy::23class_semiconductor and
ricks::decschips.

Re: VAX 11/750

[Ethan Dicks via cctalk]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:53 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
 wrote:
> Wow, I've always wanted an 11/750. Not sure why, the small box size is
> impressive and all that.

I started on an 11/750 in 1984.  They are fantastic little machines.
If you only have 3-4 users on them, they are quite peppy.

> However it doesn't look like that one has a MASSBUS adapter so I will have to 
> pass...

The module map indicates an SI 9400 interface (CMI card to an SI 9xxx
SMD disk box) and an L0007, which is an RH750 MASSBUS adapter.  Those
slots appear to be populated with _something_ in the photo.  There
_might_ be a MASSBUS connector at the lower-right of the I/O bulkhead.

The CPU area seems to show an FP750 Floating Point accelerator
installed in slot 1.

It also appears there are a couple of cards in the memory area in
slots 6 and 8.  What I don't know, since I didn't have one, is how you
load up a machine with an L0022 14MB memory controller, but it's
_possible_ we are looking at 4x 1MB + 2x 4MB (full boat).

It also appears that the two DZ11s may still be installed, but the
TC-131 might be missing.

> And I just gave away a M7850 memory board :-)

Indeed you did, well an M8750 anyway.  ;-)

Cheers,

-ethan

Re: archive of DEC Notes

[s shumaker via cctalk]

On 2/23/2021 7:26 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:

Does anyone have contact information for the proprietor of this site:
 http://www.activityclub.org/decnotes/
The site has an index of messages archived from DEC's internal "Notes"
(kind of their equivalent of UseNet).

It appears from the "Download this site" page that at one time it was
possible to download an archive of the actual content, but the hosting used
for that only provides one week of free hosting, which has expired.

I don't need the entire archive (though I'd like to get it), but I'd
especially like to get messages from milkwy::23class_semiconductor and
ricks::decschips.

wayback machine has this available

http://www.activityclub.org/decnotes/



Steve

Re: archive of DEC Notes

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 2/23/2021 8:08 PM, s shumaker via cctalk wrote:



wayback machine has this available

http://www.activityclub.org/decnotes/
I may be missing something, but the download this site has an expired 
wetransfer link.   Archive.org when you navigate to that page, says 
"available on the web, not archived" (essentially).  In other words it 
didn't grab the transfer image when it was live and likely would only 
have the useless link to the dead transfer.


That search box might not be useful, that's the only thing I saw.

Even though Bitsavers was pulled across w/o the requested capture of the 
capability to navigate it like a hierarchical file system by archive.org 
(If I understand what is lacking there), at least all the bitsavers 
content is visible on a document level and is all captured.


sites that use devices which need backend code to fetch up stuff won't 
go into archive.org unless someone makes a script an gets it to be 
activate on archive.org.


Would be nice to have a download of that info.

thanks
Jim

SaturnCalc, Graph, and WP disks uploaded

[Chris Zach via cctalk]

Hi all!

Spent some serious time this evening with the RX02 drives: I managed to 
download the images of the SaturnCalc 3.0, Saturn Graph, and Saturn WP 
software to RX02 images. I think it's set right, can someone take a look 
at the images and see if they are good? Should be RT11 format, RX02 (of 
course), I recorded from both sides of the disks (they're double sided, 
hole punched by the vendor) and are at


https://www.crystel.com/bob

You should see the disks and the meta files.

Let me know if they work, I need to get to bed. Either burn them on real 
RX02's or read them with a SIMH image.


C

PDP11 (Qbus) boards available

[Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk]

Have been told by my wife that PDP-11 stuff not coming along with us 
when we're moving and so time to get it off to a good home.  All of 
it is QBus and material in first batch is what I've got at home and 
will try to get pictures of another 2 systems in storage locker this 
week.  Locker contains 2 QBus systems, one is a small system with 
about 64 Kb of RAM and other is larger, also a Qbus system.  I 
powered them up when I got them but that was close to 30 years ago so 
power supplies will need to be checked out first.  Also have a small 
4 slot Qbus card cage H9281 which has a DRV11 board in it (photo not shown).


Pictures, in order, are 4 channel 12 bit D/A converter, unknown QBus 
board, programmable real time clock, what I thought was manual for 
DataTranslation A/D converter but not, A/D converter, have no idea 
what Dilog board is, box of DEC cables, a few manuals, MINC manuals, 
11/23 together with I suspect is a DRV11, not sure what board with 
bus extensions on top is, bus extender, blank 2 slot board and 
another board which was part of a parallel interface between MINC and 11/34.


Would preferably like to get rid of everything at once.  Haven't 
looked at cost of shipping out of Canada.  Alternatively, send me an 
email off list is you want to pick it up in person.  I live in Kamloops, BC.


Photographs can be found at:
http://drgimbarzevsky.com/Photo2020/PDP11/20210223_photos/PDP11_index.html

Boris Gimbarzevsky

Re: PDP11 (Qbus) boards available

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 2/23/2021 9:44 PM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:
Boris Gimbarzevsky 
Boris, it looks like a hex high board is hiding behind the KDF 
(processor) board and the Data Translation adapter.


http://drgimbarzevsky.com/Photo2020/PDP11/20210223_photos/20210223_173156.jpg

Any idea what is hiding in the anti stat bag?  One missed, or just in 
other photos?  Only reason to be curious is it might be hex high.

Re: PDP11 (Qbus) boards available

[Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk]

Jim, that's the board whose picture is 20210223_173156.jpg
Not sure what it is - just remember grabbing any 
QBus boards at UBC SERF with plans to use them sometime.

Boris




On 2/23/2021 9:44 PM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:

Boris Gimbarzevsky
Boris, it looks like a hex high board is hiding 
behind the KDF (processor) board and the Data Translation adapter.


http://drgimbarzevsky.com/Photo2020/PDP11/20210223_photos/20210223_173156.jpg

Any idea what is hiding in the anti stat 
bag?  One missed, or just in other 
photos?  Only reason to be curious is it might be hex high.

Re: PDP11 (Qbus) boards available

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 2/23/2021 10:05 PM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:

Jim, that's the board whose picture is 20210223_173156.jpg
Not sure what it is - just remember grabbing any QBus boards at UBC 
SERF with plans to use them sometime.
Boris 
Interesting it has ACT logo on it.  It's an Able Qniverter.  You plug it 
into the qubus.  You can then connect a Unibus bridge to the two connectors.


https://ia800604.us.archive.org/23/items/able_qnivertermanual/Able_QniverterManual_text.pdf

http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/able/Able_QniverterManual_text.pdf
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/able/Able_QniverterManual.pdf

Annoying the Archive.org version is found before the Bitsavers, and the 
text version to boot.


Attention Josh Dersch.

thanks
Jim

Re: PDP11 (Qbus) boards available

[Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk]

Thanks Jim.
Now I remember getting it just for that 
purpose.  Was looking at photos I took of boards 
when I moved out of Vancouver 11 years ago and 
thought there were a couple of Unibus boards in 
them which was odd.  Have to look at dates on 
photos as need to see if it was before or after 
Glen Slick picked up my MINC and RLO2's.  Have to 
admit that my PDP-11 days are in the past so can let someone else have the fun.


Boris




On 2/23/2021 10:05 PM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:

Jim, that's the board whose picture is 20210223_173156.jpg
Not sure what it is - just remember grabbing 
any QBus boards at UBC SERF with plans to use them sometime.

Boris
Interesting it has ACT logo on it.  It's an 
Able Qniverter.  You plug it into the 
qubus.  You can then connect a Unibus bridge to the two connectors.


https://ia800604.us.archive.org/23/items/able_qnivertermanual/Able_QniverterManual_text.pdf

http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/able/Able_QniverterManual_text.pdf
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/able/Able_QniverterManual.pdf

Annoying the Archive.org version is found before 
the Bitsavers, and the text version to boot.


Attention Josh Dersch.

thanks
Jim

List your old computer

[Kevin Parker via cctalk]

Hi folks - there used to be a web site where you could register and list
your "classic/old computer(s)". I'm not looking to do that but am  trying to
find something from years gone by that I think was on that site.

I thought it was https://www.old-computers.com/ or http://oldcomputers.net/
but it's neither of those.

My googlefoo has been unable to track it down assuming it still exists. I
know at one stage the owner was thinking of closing it down because of hacks
or spamming of forms or something like that.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

Thank you!!

Kevin Parker



 
 

FW: List your old computer

[Kevin Parker via cctalk]

My apologies for the tracker embedded in my original post. I use it for my
business and forgot to remove it before posting to this list.


Kevin Parker

-Original Message-
From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Kevin Parker via
cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2021 6:00 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'

Subject: List your old computer

Hi folks - there used to be a web site where you could register and list
your "classic/old computer(s)". I'm not looking to do that but am  trying to
find something from years gone by that I think was on that site.

I thought it was https://www.old-computers.com/ or http://oldcomputers.net/
but it's neither of those.

My googlefoo has been unable to track it down assuming it still exists. I
know at one stage the owner was thinking of closing it down because of hacks
or spamming of forms or something like that.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

Thank you!!

Kevin Parker



 
 

Re: PDP11 (Qbus) boards available

[Chris Zach via cctalk]

Interesting. I have a Plessy Quniverter and it looks a bit different. 
Handy device though.


I would be interested in that GTSC manual, I have one of those boards, 
don't see one in your stash. With the manual I could probably figure out 
how to make an RSX driver and stop entering the date and time all the 
time :-)


C


On 2/24/2021 1:40 AM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:

Thanks Jim.
Now I remember getting it just for that purpose.  Was looking at photos 
I took of boards when I moved out of Vancouver 11 years ago and thought 
there were a couple of Unibus boards in them which was odd.  Have to 
look at dates on photos as need to see if it was before or after Glen 
Slick picked up my MINC and RLO2's.  Have to admit that my PDP-11 days 
are in the past so can let someone else have the fun.


Boris




On 2/23/2021 10:05 PM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:

Jim, that's the board whose picture is 20210223_173156.jpg
Not sure what it is - just remember grabbing any QBus boards at UBC 
SERF with plans to use them sometime.

Boris
Interesting it has ACT logo on it.  It's an Able Qniverter.  You 
plug it into the qubus.  You can then connect a Unibus bridge to the 
two connectors.


https://ia800604.us.archive.org/23/items/able_qnivertermanual/Able_QniverterManual_text.pdf 



http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/able/Able_QniverterManual_text.pdf
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/able/Able_QniverterManual.pdf

Annoying the Archive.org version is found before the Bitsavers, and 
the text version to boot.


Attention Josh Dersch.

thanks
Jim

RE: : Re: MSI 6800 EPROM Software

[Frank Tuccio via cctalk]

Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 21:45:24 -0600
From: Jon Elson 
To: Brad H , gene...@ezwind.net,
discuss...@ezwind.net:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

Subject: Re: MSI 6800 EPROM Software
Message-ID: <60347a54.5070...@pico-systems.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

On 02/22/2021 01:31 PM, Brad H via cctalk wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> A longshot I'm sure - but I am wondering if anyone familiar with MSI
(Midwest Scentific - SS50 bus system) would happen to have a copy of the
software for their 1702A EPROM burner, I think the model is PR-1.  I just
picked one up and am eager to see if I can use it to read/burn 1702As,
something that has been an issue for me for a while now.
>
>
Reading them is pretty easy.  BURNING them is crazy.  They 
need an 80 V power supply, and I think you XOR the address 
or something as you apply the programming voltage.

Jon

Actually,  programming a 1702 only requires a  -48 volt pulse for each
address.  Here's the datasheet:
https://www.jmargolin.com/patents/1702a.pdf

Re: : Re: MSI 6800 EPROM Software

[Brent Hilpert via cctalk]

On 2021-Feb-23, at 1:45 PM, Frank Tuccio via cctech wrote:
> On 02/22/2021 01:31 PM, Brad H via cctalk wrote:
>> 
>> A longshot I'm sure - but I am wondering if anyone familiar with MSI
> (Midwest Scentific - SS50 bus system) would happen to have a copy of the
> software for their 1702A EPROM burner, I think the model is PR-1.  I just
> picked one up and am eager to see if I can use it to read/burn 1702As,
> something that has been an issue for me for a while now.
>> 
>> 
> Reading them is pretty easy.  BURNING them is crazy.  They 
> need an 80 V power supply, and I think you XOR the address 
> or something as you apply the programming voltage.
> 
> Jon
> 
> Actually,  programming a 1702 only requires a  -48 volt pulse for each
> address.  Here's the datasheet:
> https://www.jmargolin.com/patents/1702a.pdf


Ya, but that's with a Vbb of +12V, so the differential required from the power 
supplies is 60V.
(Per the datasheet, it was ~ 55V in the 1702 programmer I once had.)

But that's the easy part.
And the semi-complex timing and switched-complementing of the address can be 
done in software.

The hassle is that the data lines, address lines and several of the supply and 
control lines all have to be switched independently with these high voltages. 
So it's a small mess of specialised discrete drivers and hardware.
It's not just pulse a high voltage to one PGM pin like it was for 2716s and 
later eproms.

I don't know what the 2708 (after the 1702, before the 2716) requirements were.