Re: TMSCP docs?
On 13/05/2019 00:05, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > I've been working on an MSCP controller implemented on top of Joerg Hoppe's > Unibone and that's been going fairly well, modulo a few oddities here and > there (if you have a Unibone and want to beta-test it, it's up at > https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/UniBone). > > It'd be nice to extend it to do TMSCP as well. Is there an equivalent to > the "MSCP Basic Disk Functions Manual" (AA-L619A-TK) for TMSCP? I can > probably glean most of the information I need from various *nix device > driver sources out there, but it'd be nice to have the definitive reference > on hand, and so far it's been eluding me. But maybe I'm just not looking > hard enough... > > Thanks! > Josh The protocol specification for MSCP and TMSCP is available here: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/dsa/mscp/ You might also want to look at the implementation of MSCP and TMSCP in Simh: https://github.com/simh/simh/blob/master/PDP11/pdp11_rq.c https://github.com/simh/simh/blob/master/PDP11/pdp11_tq.c Matt
Re: TMSCP docs?
On 13/05/2019 08:51, Matt Burke via cctalk wrote: The protocol specification for MSCP and TMSCP is available here: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/dsa/mscp/ You might also want to look at the implementation of MSCP and TMSCP in Simh: https://github.com/simh/simh/blob/master/PDP11/pdp11_rq.c https://github.com/simh/simh/blob/master/PDP11/pdp11_tq.c Not so useful for tape, but the original MSCP reference which Josh referred to, the "UDA50 Programmer's Documentation Kit" (QP-905-GZ comprising AA-L619A-TK, AA-L620A-TK, AA-L621A-TK), is on Bitsavers at http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/disc/uda50/ and at http://www.dunnington.info/public/MSCP/ -- Pete Pete Turnbull
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
I just run PUTR under DosBox on a modern PC. A pain but... easier. On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 23:41, Charles via cctalk wrote: > I have tried for two days to get wireless networking running on my old PC > under Win 98SE, so I can use PUTR without a separate partition or boot. XP > is on an 8.4 GB drive. 98SE is on an older 540 MB drive. > > There are two network cards (a Netgear WPN311 with Atheros chipset, and an > Encore ENWLI-G2 with Realtek 8185 chip) and neither will work with Win98SE. > I have tried the manufacturer's drivers, Atheros drivers, Realtek > drivers... > none of it works. The Realtek driver installs but gives a fault in > RUNDLL32. > > Netgear's website claims that the WPN311 can run under 98SE and later. > Some > sources for that driver package say it starts with XP. Although I would > tend > to believe the manufacturer... > The same Netgear card in the same motherboard was working correctly with > the > XP drive. > > I even did a fresh install of 98SE. Then installed the WPN311 software, > then > the card. Windows says the card is installed and working properly. > But the Netgear utility won't run (hangs, Task Manager showing wlancfg5 > not > responding). That's usually because it can't see the card. > > Searching the net including various forums from years ago hasn't helped. > So I'm about to give up. Wasted enough hours on this. Back to XP with a > DOS > partition for running PUTR. > Unless someone has a better idea :) > > thanks > Charles > > > > > > -- Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow" Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 12:02, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote: > > I just run PUTR under DosBox on a modern PC. A pain but... easier. Can that read/write physical media? -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
RE: Network cards and Win98SE
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Liam Proven via > cctalk > Sent: 13 May 2019 12:18 > To: John Many Jars ; General Discussion: > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Network cards and Win98SE > > On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 12:02, John Many Jars via cctalk > wrote: > > > > I just run PUTR under DosBox on a modern PC. A pain but... easier. > > Can that read/write physical media? I suspect the simplest way would be to use something like this:- https://www.comms-express.com/products/tp-link-tl-wa850re/ goes into a wired connection but lets you keep the network security high.. > > -- > Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com > Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven > UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 Dave G4UGM
Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?
> On May 11, 2019, at 11:26 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > On 05/11/2019 06:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: >> I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: >> how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, >> how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from >> reading A Soul of a New Machine) that PALs were also used. >> >> Did companies get custom chips fabricated, or was it all off-the-shelf chips >> with a few PALs sprinkled in? >> > There were also the AMD2901, 2903, 29203 family of bit-slice components, with > the 2910 sequencer. The VAX 730 was built with 2901s. DEC used 2901s in other places too; the UDA50 was built that way (2901 with 2910 sequencer). They had a custom assembler with two opcodes per line, one for the ALU and one for the sequencer. The condition codes were those from the preceding instruction, not the current ALU instruction, so you could see oddball stuff like this: clr r0; bne foo A bit like branch delay slot programming in MIPS... On the subject of custom chips: DEC used gate arrays a lot. For example there is the Pro 380 in which much of the discrete chip logic from the Pro 350 has been absorbed into one or two gate arrays, with all the unnecessary flexibility of the original chips omitted. Those were CMOS I believe. The Western Research Lab (in Palo Alto, down the road from Stanford) had a project somewhat later to build VLSI full-custom designs in ECL. They built a whole set of design tools that were very clever, allowing mixing of description anywhere from geometry to C-like programs. And the actual layout generation was rule-based so they could switch to a different factory that used different design rules with pretty much just a recompilation of the design. They needed that; there were a number of ECL fabs at the time but they were all shutting down. They designed a 1 GHz Alpha, and/or MIPS, and built a number of test chips but I don't know that a complete CPU was ever made. They also did early work on how to power and cool high powered chips; those designs ran over 100 watts which at the time was utterly unheard of. There are some internal tech reports documenting this work; I don't know that any of it was ever published outside. paul
Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....
Anybody knows what happened with the German IBM 360? Was it ever picked up? Will photos or details about the lot ever surface? Regards. On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:47 PM Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 16/04/2019 22:22, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > > Clearly the pile was not purchased for scrap, so it will be > > interesting to see where it ends up. We may never know, with the > > secretive nature of big iron collectors.. > > I know one of the group that bought it, but I am not sure if they are on > the list. > > I believe the intention is to attempt to restore the /20 + peripherals. > Not sure about plans for the 370. It is a huge task, but they are keen. > > So rest assured it won't be scrapped, and it won't disappear into a > collection. > > Please don't ask me who it is. They are welcome to announce themselves > if they wish. > > And it's not classic, but here's an IBM z/Series converted into a beer > fridge: > https://www.flickr.com/gp/ljw/NrV130 > https://www.flickr.com/gp/ljw/35y797 > > -- > Lawrence Wilkinson lawre...@ljw.me.uk > Ph +41(0)79 926 1036 http://www.ljw.me.uk > > >
Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:20 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > There were also the AMD2901, 2903, 29203 family of bit-slice components, > > with the 2910 sequencer. > > The VAX 730 was built with 2901s. Yep. I pulled some 2901s from a VAX 11/730 CPU board in the early 90s to repair a Tempest "Math Box" (we were doing our own repairs on our VAXen in the late 80s/early 90s, and we had a stack of dead and questionable boards in our engineering area, so one gave its life to repair an arcade machine). > On the subject of custom chips: DEC used gate arrays a lot. For example > there is the Pro 380 in which much of the discrete chip logic from the Pro > 350 has been absorbed into one or two gate arrays, with all the unnecessary > flexibility of the original chips omitted. What sort of flexibility was omitted? I have both models and the board layout difference is obvious (there's so much room on the Pro380 that it has a huge RAM field right on the mainboard instead of on two daughter cards (plus any on the CTI bus). -ethan
Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?
> Prime used 74181 chips for some of their CPUs. I have a 150 CPU > board (1980, though it was likely a relatively minor rehash of an > older board), for example. To extend this comment, I found 74S181 chips in the schematics for Prime's first machines, the P100/P200/P300, with dates of 1972-73. De
Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?
> On May 13, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:20 AM Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > ... >> On the subject of custom chips: DEC used gate arrays a lot. For example >> there is the Pro 380 in which much of the discrete chip logic from the Pro >> 350 has been absorbed into one or two gate arrays, with all the unnecessary >> flexibility of the original chips omitted. > > What sort of flexibility was omitted? I have both models and the > board layout difference is obvious (there's so much room on the Pro380 > that it has a huge RAM field right on the mainboard instead of on two > daughter cards (plus any on the CTI bus). The 350 uses Intel chips for various functions, for example an interrupt controller chip (from the original PC, I think?) that has a bunch of mode choices. Some of them are typical Intel bad ideas, like edge triggered interrupts. Also, vectors are programmable. In the DEC software one choice was used and the others were not needed; for example, interrupts are level triggered because that's the only right way to do it. So in the 380, the gate array implements an interrupt controller that's like the used settings of the 350 chips, but omitting all the other modes that aren't used. As a result, emulating a 380 is quite a lot easier than emulating a 350, unless you make it a "380 style subset of the 350". paul
Re: TMSCP docs?
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:52 AM Matt Burke via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 13/05/2019 00:05, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > > I've been working on an MSCP controller implemented on top of Joerg > Hoppe's > > Unibone and that's been going fairly well, modulo a few oddities here and > > there (if you have a Unibone and want to beta-test it, it's up at > > https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/UniBone). > > > > It'd be nice to extend it to do TMSCP as well. Is there an equivalent to > > the "MSCP Basic Disk Functions Manual" (AA-L619A-TK) for TMSCP? I can > > probably glean most of the information I need from various *nix device > > driver sources out there, but it'd be nice to have the definitive > reference > > on hand, and so far it's been eluding me. But maybe I'm just not looking > > hard enough... > > > > Thanks! > > Josh > > The protocol specification for MSCP and TMSCP is available here: > > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/dsa/mscp/ > > You might also want to look at the implementation of MSCP and TMSCP in > Simh: > > https://github.com/simh/simh/blob/master/PDP11/pdp11_rq.c > https://github.com/simh/simh/blob/master/PDP11/pdp11_tq.c > > Matt > Thanks! I'd completely missed that directory on Bitsavers (thrown off by "dsa" I guess) and nothing turned up in my various searches. And I've been referring to SIMH from time to time on some of the shadowy corners of the spec, but having the real spec on hand helps put things into context. Thanks again, - Josh
Re: TMSCP docs?
On 5/13/19 9:47 AM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > Thanks! I'd completely missed that directory on Bitsavers (thrown off by > "dsa" I guess) and nothing turned up in my various searches. I had hoped to find more on the HSC-x0 controllers but tech details haven't surfaced.
KCC on TOPS-20 linking question
So, I've been porting Frotz to TOPS-20. https://github.com/athornton/tops20-frotz It's been going fine, except that I have something going on with the linker I don't have enough expertise to understand. On Mark Crispin's panda distribution, "cc -o frotz *.c" does the trick. But on TOPS-20 on the LCML's TOAD-2, I get a bunch of undefined global symbols, which all seem to be from libc. That suggests to me that KCC at LCML isn't configured to automatically trigger the linker with the right library path (something like unix:) for the C standard libraries. So the first question is: where's the KCC configuration stored, so we can add the right library path, and the second one is, failing that, how do I link all my .rel files against the C library to get a working executable (an answer simplified from "read the linker manual" would be appreciated; I've started that but it's a little daunting and I suspect it will take me a while to chew through)? Adam
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
Thanks for the tips. The reason I’m not using Ethernet cable is because the Vintage Computer Room (where this PC resides) is on the 2nd floor around a couple of corners, and my DSL modem/router and unfiltered phone line are in the 1st floor study. Would take a long run and some drilling, or duct taping it to the banister and hoping the dog and cats don’t eat it ;) However, after finally giving up on the wireless cards... I realized that I had a simple Linksys LNE100TX Ethernet card in the PC junk pile. I installed that (it was recognized by 98SE and the drivers worked first time too), then brought my laptop upstairs and set it up as a bridge. That works, but is clumsy and requires another computer. My next idea was to find a wireless device to connect to the Ethernet card. I found out about WLAN, bridging, and most importantly, that many models of router can be reflashed with dd-wrt software, and act as the bridge I needed! Also in the closet was a Linksys E1200 router, which is one of the models supported by dd-wrt. So I flashed it and hooked it up. After a bit of struggle (incomplete directions but I managed to fill in the missing pieces) I now have wireless network and Internet access on the old machine :) Incidentally, PUTR now works perfectly since I’m running 98SE/DOS.
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 11:58 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: > On May 12, 2019, at 10:17 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: >> Don't know a thing about gaming and never wanted to--wrong generation, I >> guess. > > Perhaps “gaming adapter” is the wrong term for this audience. > > Let me describe it as a type of switch that you plug the wired computer into, > go to a management webpage there on and give it the wireless network > information. I don't want to get into a long discussion; I merely wanted to point out that you're unlikely to find the term "gaming adapter" in Linux tech docs as they're not written for that audience. And it's very likely that something with the Debian kernel will be used on an OPZ. --Chuck
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 3:56 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: Thanks for the tips. The reason I’m not using Ethernet cable is because the Vintage Computer Room (where this PC resides) is on the 2nd floor around a couple of corners, and my DSL modem/router and unfiltered phone line are in the 1st floor study. Would take a long run and some drilling, or duct taping it to the banister and hoping the dog and cats don’t eat it ;) However, after finally giving up on the wireless cards... I realized that I had a simple Linksys LNE100TX Ethernet card in the PC junk pile. I installed that (it was recognized by 98SE and the drivers worked first time too), then brought my laptop upstairs and set it up as a bridge. That works, but is clumsy and requires another computer. So you turned your laptop into a gaming adapter. My next idea was to find a wireless device to connect to the Ethernet card. I found out about WLAN, bridging, and most importantly, that many models of router can be reflashed with dd-wrt software, and act as the bridge I needed! Also in the closet was a Linksys E1200 router, which is one of the models supported by dd-wrt. So I flashed it and hooked it up. You turned the Linksys into a gaming adapter. After a bit of struggle (incomplete directions but I managed to fill in the missing pieces) I now have wireless network and Internet access on the old machine :) You could have installed a gaming adapter, opened the web page, connected it to the wireless and been done. Incidentally, PUTR now works perfectly since I’m running 98SE/DOS. Ya. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 3:58 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I don't want to get into a long discussion; I merely wanted to point out that you're unlikely to find the term "gaming adapter" in Linux tech docs as they're not written for that audience. And it's very likely that something with the Debian kernel will be used on an OPZ. You /might/ not find the term in a Linux tech doc. But I'd be somewhat surprised if you didn't. The first eight hits on a google search for "gaming adapter" are directly relevant. Spend a few minutes looking at any of them and it should become clear that any Ethernet connected computer / device / game console / printer / etc. can be put onto wireless. Knowing that, it should be possible to realize that any standard wired Ethernet card that Linux supports will work. 1) Connect the computer to the gaming adapter with a 1 ~ 3 foot Ethernet cable. 2) Open a web browser to the gaming adapter's configuration interface. 3) Configure the gaming adapter for the wireless network. 4) (Maybe) reboot or obtain a new IP. 5) Use the wired computer on the wireless network via the gaming adapter. ProTip: Plug the gaming adapter into a switch if you want multiple wired computers to be able to use the wireless. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
I use 3 com stuff I think the other brands I toss in a box in the warehouse. later 3 com stuff auto finds etc works fine... lats a long time! ( paint it grey and It will not rust ) Ed# In a message dated 5/13/2019 3:39:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: On 5/13/19 3:56 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: > Thanks for the tips. The reason I’m not using Ethernet cable is because > the Vintage Computer Room (where this PC resides) is on the 2nd floor > around a couple of corners, and my DSL modem/router and unfiltered phone > line are in the 1st floor study. Would take a long run and some > drilling, or duct taping it to the banister and hoping the dog and cats > don’t eat it ;) > > However, after finally giving up on the wireless cards... I realized > that I had a simple Linksys LNE100TX Ethernet card in the PC junk pile. > I installed that (it was recognized by 98SE and the drivers worked first > time too), then brought my laptop upstairs and set it up as a bridge. > That works, but is clumsy and requires another computer. So you turned your laptop into a gaming adapter. > My next idea was to find a wireless device to connect to the Ethernet > card. I found out about WLAN, bridging, and most importantly, that many > models of router can be reflashed with dd-wrt software, and act as the > bridge I needed! Also in the closet was a Linksys E1200 router, which is > one of the models supported by dd-wrt. So I flashed it and hooked it up. You turned the Linksys into a gaming adapter. > After a bit of struggle (incomplete directions but I managed to fill in > the missing pieces) I now have wireless network and Internet access on > the old machine :) You could have installed a gaming adapter, opened the web page, connected it to the wireless and been done. > Incidentally, PUTR now works perfectly since I’m running 98SE/DOS. Ya. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
You could have installed a gaming adapter, opened the web page, connected it to the wireless and been done. Sure, but you assume I know anything about online gaming (I don't); it would require purchasing one, *and* I already had the Linksys router and card, just gathering dust for years! I like to improvise with what's on hand rather than spending money on a really ancient PC :)
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 5:05 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: Sure, but you assume I know anything about online gaming (I don't); No, I do not. "gaming adapter" is a broad category like "vacuum / hoover" or "copier / Xerox" or "tissue / Kleenex" or "automobile". All of which have many names that can be used equally across many different broad categories. "Gaming adapters" take a wired computer and connect it to a wireless network. The fact that it has "gaming" in it's name does not in any way imply that you must know anything about gaming of any kind. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 4:05 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote: >> You could have installed a gaming adapter, opened the web page, >> connected it to the wireless and been done. > > Sure, but you assume I know anything about online gaming (I don't); it > would require purchasing one, *and* I already had the Linksys router and > card, just gathering dust for years! I guess it's a common human tendency to think that values that apply to today's younger adults also apply to those of us in our "golden" years. The last game that I recall playing with any frequency was Chess 3.0 on a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only a couple of hours, tops. For the last 30 years, I haven't even bothered to look. Fred, how about you? --Chuck
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 4:21 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > "gaming adapter" is a broad category like "vacuum / hoover" or "copier / > Xerox" or "tissue / Kleenex" or "automobile". All of which have many > names that can be used equally across many different broad categories. > > "Gaming adapters" take a wired computer and connect it to a wireless > network. So which term came first, "gaming adapter" or "network bridging"? --Chuck
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: The last game that I recall playing with any frequency was Chess 3.0 on a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only a couple of hours, tops. For the last 30 years, I haven't even bothered to look. Fred, how about you? Adventure in the 1970s, Lode Runner and Tetris in the 1980s I do sudokus ( www.websudoku.com/?level-4 ) Allison, how about you? Al, how about you? ARD, how about you? Geneb has a flight simulator, . . .
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
> Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 17:41:24 -0500 > From: "Charles" > To: "cctalk digest" > Subject: Network cards and Win98SE > Message-ID: <4F49BB9C660F44B8B67371D3BAB651AA@CharlesDellLap> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I have tried for two days to get wireless networking running on my old PC > under Win 98SE, so I can use PUTR without a separate partition or boot. XP > is on an 8.4 GB drive. 98SE is on an older 540 MB drive. > > There are two network cards (a Netgear WPN311 with Atheros chipset, and > an > Encore ENWLI-G2 with Realtek 8185 chip) and neither will work with > Win98SE. > I have tried the manufacturer's drivers, Atheros drivers, Realtek drivers... > none of it works. The Realtek driver installs but gives a fault in RUNDLL32. > > Netgear's website claims that the WPN311 can run under 98SE and later. > Some > sources for that driver package say it starts with XP. Although I would tend > to believe the manufacturer... > The same Netgear card in the same motherboard was working correctly with > the > XP drive. > > I even did a fresh install of 98SE. Then installed the WPN311 software, then > the card. Windows says the card is installed and working properly. > But the Netgear utility won't run (hangs, Task Manager showing wlancfg5 not > responding). That's usually because it can't see the card. > > Searching the net including various forums from years ago hasn't helped. > So I'm about to give up. Wasted enough hours on this. Back to XP with a DOS > partition for running PUTR. > Unless someone has a better idea :) > > thanks > Charles Hi Charles, About 5 years ago I spent way too much time trying to sort out a PC platform that would meet my needs for disk imaging (ImageDisk), PUTR, network file transfers and ISA-based EPROM programmers. I eventually settled on a Pentium II bare motherboard, AHA-1522A SCSI card (for its floppy controller which supports single-density disks), CF card as a hard drive, FDADAP adapter (for 8" drives), a generic ISA network interface card, MSDOS 6.22, Norton Commander and Michael Brutman's mTCP package. With this setup I can run PUTR and ImageDisk without any Windows-related issues. File transfers to other computers are a breeze: mTCP includes an FTP server and I just run FileZilla on my Windows machines to connect to the MSDOS machine. Alternatively I can power down the MSDOS machine, and plug the CF card into a USB adapter and copy files that way instead. I appreciate these suggestions won't help if you need to have Win98 on the same machine for other reasons. Malcolm.
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:47 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 5/13/19 3:58 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > I don't want to get into a long discussion; I merely wanted to point > > out that you're unlikely to find the term "gaming adapter" in Linux > > tech docs as they're not written for that audience. > > You /might/ not find the term in a Linux tech doc. But I'd be somewhat > surprised if you didn't. < > The first eight hits on a google search for "gaming adapter" are > directly relevant. I had to google "gaming adapter" because I had never heard the term before, and I've been working with 802.11 since 2001 when all we had was 2mbps. I don't have a game console to hook up, and if I did, I'd run a wire... so "gaming adapter" was a null term for me prior to this thread. -ethan
Re: PDP-11/40 available, Arizona
where is this located? I might be able to help with moving/storage. On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:54 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Sat, 11 May 2019, ED SHATTNER wrote: > > JUST DOWN THE ROAD A FEW HOURS FROM US HERE! > > ED# > > You should go check it out. Even if there isn't anything that you want, > you might be able to help, or store things for those who can't transport > right away. > >
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 5:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: So which term came first, "gaming adapter" or "network bridging"? Without a doubt, "network bridging". But good luck going into the average box store (or possibly even online etailers) and getting someone to know what a "network bridging" device is. Conversely, most of them will know what a "gaming adapter" is. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 7:52 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: I had to google "gaming adapter" because I had never heard the term before, and I've been working with 802.11 since 2001 when all we had was 2mbps. Maybe it's a regional term. I've heard other people use it in multiple states here in the U.S.A. But you did look it up, and I'm guessing you now have an idea where it could be used, even for things other than gaming consoles. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 7:50 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 5/13/19 5:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> So which term came first, "gaming adapter" or "network bridging"? > > Without a doubt, "network bridging". But good luck going into the > average box store (or possibly even online etailers) and getting someone > to know what a "network bridging" device is. Conversely, most of them > will know what a "gaming adapter" is. Oh, I've given up on being understood. "RPG" today doesn't mean a computer language anymore. It means either a game or a type of explosive projectile launcher. --Chuck
IBM 1620 manuals
I just discovered a binder with 2 IBM 1620 manuals. A quick check shows bitsavers has these and newer editions of them. So, does anybody want : IBM 1620 Central Processing Unit, Model 2 (Form A26-5781-1) and IBM 1620 Monitor II System Reference Manual (Form C26-5774-0) Jon
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 9:48 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: "RPG" today doesn't mean a computer language anymore. In the circles that I travel in, Report Program Generator is quite common. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:57 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, 13 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > The last game that I recall playing with any frequency was Chess 3.0 on > > a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only > > a couple of hours, tops. For the last 30 years, I haven't even bothered > > to look. > > > > Fred, how about you? > > Adventure in the 1970s, Lode Runner and Tetris in the 1980s > > > I do sudokus ( www.websudoku.com/?level-4 ) > > > Allison, how about you? > Al, how about you? > ARD, how about you? I do the Sudoku and crossword puzzle in the newspaper most days. The last computer game I played was one of the Infocom text adventures (I forget which one) about 25 years ago. > Geneb has a flight simulator, . . . On the other hand I do not object to buyng something because the _intended_ use is of no interest to me. Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a piece of photographic equipment. I would happily buy something sold for computer gaming if I could find a use for it. -tony
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 10:04 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: On the other hand I do not object to buyng something because the _intended_ use is of no interest to me. I hoist my drink to you. If you have a use for it, great. If not, then pass. Oh, that's not the intended use? Pft. Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a piece of photographic equipment. Sounds like a good use to me. I would happily buy something sold for computer gaming if I could find a use for it. ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
On 5/13/19 9:10 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 5/13/19 10:04 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: >> Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in >> physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities >> because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a >> piece of photographic equipment. I use yoga mat material as a benchtop cover, photo background, and something to cushion my old bones when I'm crouching into a piece of gear on floor. It's cheap--about $12 shipped for a mat from Amazon. Never did, nor want to start doing yoga. I just bought a batch of microscope slides and covers for a non-microscope use. I'll see if the idea works before elaborating further. --Chuck
Re: RS2030 MIPS workstation
On 5/4/19 10:29 AM, Dennis Grevenstein via cctech wrote: > I have the same problem with a cloned MIPS machine, a Sumitomo > Sumistation SP300. The biggest problem with my machine is that the > NVRAM holds the ethernet address. If it goes flat, there seems to be > no way to reprogram the NVRAM. If you find any solution for this, > please tell me. You might be able to take the fake nvram data from the simulation in MAME I'm about to try that this week since I got in the NVRAM and video cable.
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a piece of photographic equipment. A deceased friend lined some airtight camera cases with foam that deteriorated and destroyed expensive equipment (including Leica 200mm visoflex lens). Be careful.
Re: Network cards and Win98SE
Those who know me, for example, will know I have little interest in physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a piece of photographic equipment. On Mon, 13 May 2019, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: A deceased friend lined some airtight camera cases with foam that deteriorated and destroyed expensive equipment (including Leica 200mm visoflex lens). Be careful. CORRECTION: the most expensive item destroyed was a Leica 180mm Tele-Elmarit f2.8 lens. It had been mint condition before he put it in the case. Not much damage to the glass, but it destroyed and pitted the finish of the rest of the lens, removing all collector value.
