Re: HP 2647A BASIC/AUTOPLOT47 and DEMO tape preservation

[CuriousMarc via cctalk]

Dave,
I am interested. I have an HP 2647 with two restored tape drives, and have been 
looking for this exact tape set. I have some "new" Athana tapes. Step 1 would 
be to copy them to a new Athana master tape. Then step to could be to make 
copies available to the group. Step 3 would be to transfer them to an archive 
format, but in essence it's already been done by the hpmuseum (in 5.25" 2647 
disc format, LIF I presume?). But I don't have that rare disc unit and 
interface card to connect it to the 2647 (if I had, I could indeed recreate the 
tapes). That said, I first need to work on step 0, which is lots of practicing 
recovering DC100 tapes reliably: baking them, changing the belt, cleaning the 
guides... Fortunately I have lots of DC100 tapes that I need to recover before 
touching yours. It might take me a couple month to get there. Contact me off 
list if you want.
Marc

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Dave via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have a couple of HP 2647A tapes:  BASCI/AUTOPLOT47 and DEMO.   They look to 
> be in good condition.  I have had them in a climate controlled lab since 
> acquiring them as part of a sizeable lot of HP tapes last year.
> I am curious if there are any known good copies of these tapes out there.   
> Are these the same as (i.e., can be created from) the floppy images available 
> on hpmuseum.net?
> If these are not already archived, I would be interested in preserving them.  
> I realize that reading tapes this old may be a "one-shot only" process, and I 
> don't have the expertise or equipment to be able to archive these tapes.
> Is there anyone on this list with the interest and ability to archive these 
> tapes and make the images available to the community in a useful format?
> Thanks,
> Dave

Re: Test

[Adrian Graham via cctalk]

On 07/03/2017 07:12, "Tor Arntsen"  wrote:

> On 7 March 2017 at 01:18, Adrian Graham via cctalk
>  wrote:
>> Test again, None of my posts seem to be getting through...
> 
> Saw it. And also what you sent a day ago(?), about using the 79L05

Thanks for the replies! It's odd then that I don't see my own messages on
the list any more then, and the one I sent at changeover time hasn't hit the
archive whereas other folks' messages have.

-- 
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Mon, 6 Mar 2017, Mouse wrote:

Yes, and it must not be in the Reply-To: field because in normal
cases, this field is the one used for replying, and I want to reply
to the list, and only to the list.


...that's sure what this sounds like.  If so, I have little sympathy
for your position.


So you say the Reply-To: field is to be ignored although in all other 
contexts it is preferred over the From: field. Say what you want, I don't 
understand that.


Quotes from RFC 5322:
"
   The "From:" field specifies the author(s) of the message,
   that is, the mailbox(es) of the person(s) or system(s) responsible
   for the writing of the message.
[...]
   The originator fields also provide the information required when
   replying to a message.  When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it
   indicates the address(es) to which the author of the message suggests
   that replies be sent.  In the absence of the "Reply-To:" field,
   replies SHOULD by default be sent to the mailbox(es) specified in the
   "From:" field unless otherwise specified by the person composing the
   reply.

   In all cases, the "From:" field *SHOULD NOT* contain any mailbox that
   does not belong to the author(s) of the message.  See also section
   3.6.3 for more information on forming the destination addresses for a
   reply.
"

And cctalk@... is neither responsible for the writing of the message nor 
does it belong to the author of the message. But replies should be 
directed there, so there should be a Reply-To: field containing cctalk@... 
and the From: field should contain the author's address.


EOD from my part ;-)

Christian

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Mon, 6 Mar 2017, Mouse wrote:
[...]

And BTW, what you are doing is not clever at all:
  mo...@rodents-montreal.org
SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
host MX-4.rodents-montreal.org [98.124.61.89]:
550-.de's whois server, whois.denic.de, is completely broken, handing
550-out no contact information at all when queried for .de domains in
550 the usual way.  Such a domain has no place on a civilized network.

This is just wrong. Of course they hand out contact information!
Sorry, I had to post it here since I cannot contact you directly.

Christian

Re: HP 2647A BASIC/AUTOPLOT47 and DEMO tape preservation

[Ed via cctalk]

smecc would like a tape also!  neat!
 
 
In a message dated 3/7/2017 1:08:12 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Dave,
I am interested. I have an HP 2647 with two restored tape  drives, and have 
been looking for this exact tape set. I have some "new"  Athana tapes. Step 
1 would be to copy them to a new Athana master tape. Then  step to could be 
to make copies available to the group. Step 3 would be to  transfer them to 
an archive format, but in essence it's already been done by  the hpmuseum 
(in 5.25" 2647 disc format, LIF I presume?). But I don't have  that rare disc 
unit and interface card to connect it to the 2647 (if I had, I  could 
indeed recreate the tapes). That said, I first need to work on step 0,  which 
is 
lots of practicing recovering DC100 tapes reliably: baking them,  changing 
the belt, cleaning the guides... Fortunately I have lots of DC100  tapes that 
I need to recover before touching yours. It might take me a couple  month 
to get there. Contact me off list if you want.
Marc

> On  Mar 6, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Dave via cctalk   
wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have a couple of HP 2647A  tapes:  BASCI/AUTOPLOT47 and DEMO.   They 
look to be in good  condition.  I have had them in a climate controlled lab 
since acquiring  them as part of a sizeable lot of HP tapes last year.
> I am curious if  there are any known good copies of these tapes out 
there.   Are  these the same as (i.e., can be created from) the floppy images 
available on  hpmuseum.net?
> If these are not already archived, I would be interested  in preserving 
them.  I realize that reading tapes this old may be a  "one-shot only" 
process, and I don't have the expertise or equipment to be  able to archive 
these 
tapes.
> Is there anyone on this list with the  interest and ability to archive 
these tapes and make the images available to  the community in a useful format?
> Thanks,
>  Dave

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:48 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> And cctalk@... is neither responsible for the writing of the message nor
> does it belong to the author of the message. But replies should be directed
> there, so there should be a Reply-To: field containing cctalk@... and the
> From: field should contain the author's address.
>

And thus we come full circle. The "From:" header containing the original
author's address is the cause of the unsubscribes due to bounces, and (I
assume) the motivation for the recent change to the list behavior.

The problem is that major production MTAs will reject (bounce) email with a
"From:" whose domain uses DKIM or SPF, when the sending MTA isn't in the
DKIM or SPF authorized sender list. This will almost always be true when
messages are forwarded by a mailing list. Since the bounces go back to the
mailing list, the mailing list software then drops the entirely legitimate
list subscriber's subscription.  :-(

The behavior you describe is certainly correct according to the RFCs, but
unfortunately now falls apart in practice.  :-(

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Pete Turnbull via cctalk]

On 07/03/2017 09:57, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:

And BTW, what you are doing is not clever at all:
  mo...@rodents-montreal.org
SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
host MX-4.rodents-montreal.org [98.124.61.89]:
550-.de's whois server, whois.denic.de, is completely broken, handing
550-out no contact information at all when queried for .de domains in
550 the usual way.  Such a domain has no place on a civilized network.

This is just wrong. Of course they hand out contact information!
Sorry, I had to post it here since I cannot contact you directly.


No, Mouse is right, it's broken:

$ whois uni-stuttgart.de
% Error: 557 Request not clearly specified
$ whois -h whois.denic.de uni-stuttgart.de
% Error: 557 Request not clearly specified
$

So then I try this:

$ telnet whois.denic.de 43
Trying 81.91.170.6...
Connected to whois.denic.de.
Escape character is '^]'.
help
% SYNTAX: whois [-r] [-T types] [-C charset] key
%
% where our server understands the following options:
%
% -r  turn off recursive lookups (default: on)
% -T ace  ACE input for domain lookup
% -T domain (dn)  only look for objects of type domain
% -T status (st)  only look for domain status
% -C charset  specify character set for the input/output
% Available charsets: US-ASCII, ISO-8859-1, 
UTF-8 (default)

%
% NOTE: Read the detailed documentation for valid argument combinations. 
There are two special queries

%
% [?, HELP, help] displays this text
% alive@whois returns 'alive' if whois server runs properly
%
% Detailed documentation under https://www.denic.de/webwhois/?lang=en
%
Connection closed by foreign host.
$

So far, so good.  The server's alive (yes, I also tried the 
"alive@whois" command).  But:


$ telnet whois.denic.de 43
Trying 81.91.170.6...
Connected to whois.denic.de.
Escape character is '^]'.
whois -r uni-stuttgart.de
% Error: 557 Request not clearly specified
Connection closed by foreign host.
$

That's broken.

And there is little helpful documentation about how to query the whois 
service at the URL given in the HELP text.  I eventually found a document at

https://www.denic.de/fileadmin/public/documentation/DENIC-12p_EN.pdf
which describes how to make a whois query of this rather idiosyncratic 
server.  It states that it should work as I tested it - but even 
adopting the example given in that document fails:


$ whois -h whois.denic.de -T status uni-stuttgart.de
% Error: 557 Request not clearly specified
$
$ telnet whois.denic.de 43
Trying 81.91.170.6...
Connected to whois.denic.de.
Escape character is '^]'.
whois -T status uni-stuttgart.de
% Error: 557 Request not clearly specified
Connection closed by foreign host.
$

Epic fail.

--
Pete
Pete Turnbull

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Pete Turnbull wrote:

No, Mouse is right, it's broken:


Works for me (also from different networks outside the university 
network):


# whois uni-stuttgart.de
% Copyright (c) 2010 by DENIC
% Version: 2.0
%
% Restricted rights.
%
% Terms and Conditions of Use
%
% The data in this record is provided by DENIC for informational purposes only.
% DENIC does not guarantee its accuracy and cannot, under any circumstances,
[...]
Domain: uni-stuttgart.de
Nserver: dns0.uni-stuttgart.de 129.69.0.1 2001:7c0:7c0:0:0:0:babe:face
Nserver: dns1.belwue.de
Nserver: dns1.uni-stuttgart.edu
Nserver: dns3.belwue.de
Nserver: minnehaha.rhrk.uni-kl.de
[...]


Christian

Re: FTGH (you come get): VAXstation 100 terminals

[Stefan Skoglund via cctalk]

mån 2017-03-06 klockan 20:52 -0800 skrev Zane Healy via cctalk: 
> > On Mar 5, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I picked these up as part of an estate liquidation, but I don't have a
> > Unibus setup to run them off, and they are large and taking up space. They
> > now need to be gone. The condition is unknown but they are intact.
> > 
> > If you know what one is, you probably know how to hook it up and use it. If
> > you don't, they are NOT VAXen -- they're more like overgrown graphics
> > terminals that connect over Unibus. They are not like other VAXstations.
> > 
> > Take as many as you like (greater Los Angeles area). However, units that
> > are not spoken for, or haven't made other arrangements regarding, will go
> > to the recycler this weekend. E-mail me offlist if you are interested.
> 
> Cameron,
> Please keep in mind that these things are rare as hens teeth, if not rarer.  
> This is only the second or third mention I’ve ever seen of them, and the 
> first I’ve seen of anyone having any.  Please do not recycle them.  If 
> nothing else, see if you can get them to one of the museums.
> 
> About the only thing I know of that’s rarer seems to be the DECnet kit for 
> RT-11!
> 
> Zane

Which kinds of VAXen can accept the terminal server card ?

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk]

   > No, Mouse is right, it's broken:

   Works for me

Ditto FWIW.

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Pete Turnbull via cctalk]

On 07/03/2017 13:47, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Pete Turnbull wrote:

No, Mouse is right, it's broken:


Works for me (also from different networks outside the university network):


Interesting... I still get the same errors.  Could it be 
location-dependant in some way?  Are you using the standard whois port 
43/TCP?


--
Pete
Pete Turnbull

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Mouse via cctalk]

>> And BTW, what you are doing is not clever at all:
>>   mo...@rodents-montreal.org
>> SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
>> host MX-4.rodents-montreal.org [98.124.61.89]:
>> 550-.de's whois server, whois.denic.de, is completely broken, handing
>> 550-out no contact information at all when queried for .de domains in
>> 550 the usual way.  Such a domain has no place on a civilized network.

It's not supposed to be clever.  I'm just willing to call brokenness
brokenness.  That it's an entire country that's broken does not make it
any less broken.  Nor does it get them a pass on brokenness; if
anything, being big makes the offence greater - they have less excuse.

>> This is just wrong.  Of course they hand out contact information!

They didn't when I put that block in place, not without some
DENIC-specific option - and still don't; see below.  That's why I wrote
"when queried...in the usual way".

Since the whole point of WHOIS is to find data on domains you don't
know things about, requiring some idiosyncratic option is, IMO, broken.

Here's what I see, run while composing this mail:

[Sparkle] 1> whois -h whois.denic.de uni-stuttgart.de
Domain: uni-stuttgart.de
Status: connect
[Sparkle] 2> 

or

[Sparkle] 3> telnet whois.denic.de whois
Trying 81.91.170.6...
Connected to whois.denic.de.
Escape character is '^]'.
uni-stuttgart.de
Domain: uni-stuttgart.de
Status: connect
Connection closed by foreign host.
[Sparkle] 4> 

Maybe you consider that to be contact information.  I don't.

> $ whois -h whois.denic.de uni-stuttgart.de
> % Error: 557 Request not clearly specified

I don't know what's going on here.  The only way I've got that is to
query for "-r uni-stuttgart.de".  I know some whois clients
automatically try to add the DENIC-specific option I mentioned above;
perhaps yours is, but DENIC has changed and no longer accepts it?  (IMO
that would be, if anything, even more broken.)

> $ telnet whois.denic.de 43
> Trying 81.91.170.6...
> Connected to whois.denic.de.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> whois -r uni-stuttgart.de
> % Error: 557 Request not clearly specified
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> $

> That's broken.

In that case, it's the query that's broken.  The normal way to use
whois for domains is to send just the domain name upon connecting; the
"whois -r " prefix you used is probably responsible.

/~\ The ASCII Mouse
\ / Ribbon Campaign
 X  Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org
/ \ Email!   7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39  4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk]

   >> No, Mouse is right, it's broken:
   >
   > Works for me (also from different networks outside the university network):

   Interesting... I still get the same errors.  Could it be
   location-dependant in some way?

Tried from Boston, and Stockholm, so I don't think so.

   Are you using the standard whois port 43/TCP?

Yes.

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Pete Turnbull via cctalk]

On 07/03/2017 15:07, Mouse via cctalk wrote:


$ telnet whois.denic.de 43
Trying 81.91.170.6...
Connected to whois.denic.de.
Escape character is '^]'.
whois -r uni-stuttgart.de
% Error: 557 Request not clearly specified
Connection closed by foreign host.
$



That's broken.


In that case, it's the query that's broken.  The normal way to use
whois for domains is to send just the domain name upon connecting; the
"whois -r " prefix you used is probably responsible.


Nope, that's taken from their own documentation - and it makes no 
difference which options I give it, or none.  I didn't show all the 
permutations I tried, both using a standard UNIX whois client, and using 
telnet to port 43.  It's just broken.


--
Pete
Pete Turnbull

Re: Atari 1400XL for sale...

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On 7 March 2017 at 04:22, Craig.B Mitchell via cctalk
 wrote:
> Hi, is your 1400xl still for sale?  If so, what are you looking to get?


Who are you asking? You just posted to a thousand people on a mailing list.

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Re: Still Looking For AT&T 3B2 Internals Docs

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On 7 March 2017 at 01:09, Jerry Kemp via cctalk  wrote:
> Much in relationship, to, at least at one time, the Novell Netware system
> sat on top of DOS.


Very very kinda sortof.

Netware 2 could cold-boot itself.

Netware 3 & 4 needed DOS as a bootloader. If you wanted, you could
issue a command:

REMOVE DOS

... and then the memory was reclaimed and added to the disk cache.

But if you wanted to load stuff from floppy or from a FAT C: drive, or
from a CD that didn't have Netware drivers, you needed DOS present.

But Netware wasn't really running on it, as demonstrated by the
ability to remove it after booting.


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Re: FTGH (you come get): VAXstation 100 terminals

[Ethan Dicks via cctalk]

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
 wrote:
>> > On Mar 5, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > I picked these up as part of an estate liquidation, but I don't have a
>> > Unibus setup to run them...

> Which kinds of VAXen can accept the terminal server card ?

Given that they come from 1984 or so, they should work with the
11/780, 11/785, 11/750, 11/730, 11/725, and probably later VAXen with
a Unibus.  What's less clear to me is how long the drivers were
supported.  IIRC, the docs on Bitsavers mention support for VMS 3.x.
I would rather expect support through VMS 4.X, but I wouldn't count on
an SMP-friendly driver for VMS 5.X and newer unless support was
specifically mentioned on the SPD.  A lot of older stuff didn't get
brought forward with VMS 5.X drivers.

-ethan

3B2 stuff-maybe

[Electronics Plus via cctalk]

I called the only place I know of that supported 3B2 stuff, which is
Communications Hardware in TX. They recently had a change in technicians,
and a lot of the older stuff they no longer support got culled, but they are
willing to look for boards, drives, or whatever would help the collectors
get their machines up and running again. I described the documentation set
to them, and they will look for it. Any parts you want, send me a list, and
they will hunt for me.

 

Cindy Croxton

Re: 3B2 stuff-maybe

[SPC via cctalk]

Thanks. I must check my 3B2/400 and the 3B1. The first one had some
issues but I don't touched it for a long time.

Regards
Sergio

2017-03-07 18:08 GMT+01:00 Electronics Plus via cctalk :
> I called the only place I know of that supported 3B2 stuff, which is
> Communications Hardware in TX. They recently had a change in technicians,
> and a lot of the older stuff they no longer support got culled, but they are
> willing to look for boards, drives, or whatever would help the collectors
> get their machines up and running again. I described the documentation set
> to them, and they will look for it. Any parts you want, send me a list, and
> they will hunt for me.
>
>
>
> Cindy Croxton
>

Re: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Jon Elson

> I have converted our kitchen to LEDs. 

Yeah, I've already done ours, too. Our fixtures are let into the ceiling, so
just replacing them with LED ones wasn't an option; I couldn't find ones that
took the same opening. But I bought an under-ceiling fluorescent-sized LED
fixture, made by a company called Hampton Bay, to replace an under-ceiling
fixture in another room, and I noticed it was just enough smaller than the
ones in the kitchen. So I gutted the kitchen fixtures, took Hampton Bay
units, discarded the plastic light-shields, and with a bit of trimming,
convinced the base plates (which holds the power supply, LEDs, etc) to fit
into the existing fixtures.

I'm now currently wanting to do my shop, and I'm looking for something which
is a bit less work - tubes that I simply plug in, or something like that, are
what I'm looking for!

Noel

Re: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

[Ed via cctalk]

we had   tubes  with LEDs in them... took old   florescent  tube out of 
fixture.. twisted in the  thing  with the  LEDs in it  that hacked  wight into 
the lighting  fixture and  done! Ed#
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/7/2017 10:23:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

> From: Jon Elson

> I have converted our  kitchen to LEDs. 

Yeah, I've already done ours, too. Our fixtures are  let into the ceiling, 
so
just replacing them with LED ones wasn't an  option; I couldn't find ones 
that
took the same opening. But I bought an  under-ceiling fluorescent-sized LED
fixture, made by a company called  Hampton Bay, to replace an under-ceiling
fixture in another room, and I  noticed it was just enough smaller than the
ones in the kitchen. So I  gutted the kitchen fixtures, took Hampton Bay
units, discarded the plastic  light-shields, and with a bit of trimming,
convinced the base plates (which  holds the power supply, LEDs, etc) to fit
into the existing  fixtures.

I'm now currently wanting to do my shop, and I'm looking for  something 
which
is a bit less work - tubes that I simply plug in, or  something like that, 
are
what I'm looking for!

Noel

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Holm Tiffe via cctalk]

Mouse via cctalk wrote:

> >> And BTW, what you are doing is not clever at all:
> >>   mo...@rodents-montreal.org
> >> SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
> >> host MX-4.rodents-montreal.org [98.124.61.89]:
> >> 550-.de's whois server, whois.denic.de, is completely broken, handing
> >> 550-out no contact information at all when queried for .de domains in
> >> 550 the usual way.  Such a domain has no place on a civilized network.
> 
> It's not supposed to be clever.  I'm just willing to call brokenness
> brokenness.  That it's an entire country that's broken does not make it
> any less broken.  Nor does it get them a pass on brokenness; if
> anything, being big makes the offence greater - they have less excuse.

Yes..you are the good guy.
It's better now?

It may be not supposed to be clever, it's just supposed to be idiotic..you
behave like a moron in this case, I'm toldd my opinion about that years
before to you.

I think no one from the german guys here can change anything on the
DeNics behavior regarding their whois service, and you punishing all the
germans for ther NIC service...OMG...

You are an intelligent guy and a very good programmer..but in this case,
sorry...

Regards,

Holm

$ whois  uni-stuttgart.de
% IANA WHOIS server
% for more information on IANA, visit http://www.iana.org
% This query returned 1 object

refer:whois.denic.de

domain:   DE

organisation: DENIC eG
address:  Kaiserstrasse 75-77
address:  Frankfurt am Main  60329
address:  Germany

contact:  administrative
name: Vorstand DENIC eG
organisation: DENIC eG
address:  Kaiserstrasse 75-77
address:  Frankfurt am Main  60329
address:  Germany
phone:+49 69 27235 0
fax-no:   +49 69 27235 235
e-mail:   vorst...@denic.de

contact:  technical
name: Business Services
organisation: DENIC eG
address:  Kaiserstrasse 75-77
address:  Frankfurt am Main  60329
address:  Germany

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Re: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 3/7/2017 11:04 AM, Ed via cctalk wrote:

we had   tubes  with LEDs in them... took old   florescent  tube out of
fixture.. twisted in the  thing  with the  LEDs in it  that hacked  wight into
the lighting  fixture and  done! Ed#
  
I've asked about those and have no sources of such.  They do have to 
work thru ballasts and deal with starter issues that are no longer 
relevant, unless you remove and rewire the ballasts / starters out of 
the old fixtures.


The things I've seen are the same form factor as a 4' dual tube dual 40 
watt fixture with 110 in and light out.  Pull and toss an old dual tube 
fixture and replace with new LED.  But I've not seen the tube solution.  
I've got a couple of spots the tube thing would be desirable, but no 
source of such.  If you do have a source I'd be interested.


thanks
Jim

Re: 3B2 stuff-maybe

[Seth Morabito via cctalk]

* On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 11:08:37AM -0600, Electronics Plus via cctalk 
 wrote:
> I called the only place I know of that supported 3B2 stuff, which is
> Communications Hardware in TX. They recently had a change in technicians,
> and a lot of the older stuff they no longer support got culled, but they are
> willing to look for boards, drives, or whatever would help the collectors
> get their machines up and running again. I described the documentation set
> to them, and they will look for it. Any parts you want, send me a list, and
> they will hunt for me.

Thanks Cindy, I hope they turn up some reference manuals or schematics.
I guess if any place would have them, it would be a place that supported
the hardware.

-Seth
-- 
Seth Morabito
w...@loomcom.com

RE: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

[Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jim
> stephens via cctalk
> Sent: 07 March 2017 19:43
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> 
> Subject: Re: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/7/2017 11:04 AM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
> > we had   tubes  with LEDs in them... took old   florescent  tube out of
> > fixture.. twisted in the  thing  with the  LEDs in it  that hacked
> > wight into the lighting  fixture and  done! Ed#
> >
> I've asked about those and have no sources of such.  They do have to work
> thru ballasts and deal with starter issues that are no longer relevant,
unless
> you remove and rewire the ballasts / starters out of the old fixtur
> 
> The things I've seen are the same form factor as a 4' dual tube dual 40
watt
> fixture with 110 in and light out.  Pull and toss an old dual tube fixture
and
> replace with new LED.  But I've not seen the tube solution.
> I've got a couple of spots the tube thing would be desirable, but no
source of
> such.  If you do have a source I'd be interested.
> 
> thanks
> Jim

I have just replaced two tubes in my shack with LED tubes. They came with
"dummy" starters, went straight into the existing fittings.
I am on 240v rather than 110v but GE seems to make similar devices for the
USA...

Dave

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Eric Christopherson via cctalk]

On Tue, Mar 07, 2017, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:48 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
> > And cctalk@... is neither responsible for the writing of the message nor
> > does it belong to the author of the message. But replies should be directed
> > there, so there should be a Reply-To: field containing cctalk@... and the
> > From: field should contain the author's address.
> >
> 
> And thus we come full circle. The "From:" header containing the original
> author's address is the cause of the unsubscribes due to bounces, and (I
> assume) the motivation for the recent change to the list behavior.
> 
> The problem is that major production MTAs will reject (bounce) email with a
> "From:" whose domain uses DKIM or SPF, when the sending MTA isn't in the
> DKIM or SPF authorized sender list. This will almost always be true when
> messages are forwarded by a mailing list. Since the bounces go back to the
> mailing list, the mailing list software then drops the entirely legitimate
> list subscriber's subscription.  :-(
> 
> The behavior you describe is certainly correct according to the RFCs, but
> unfortunately now falls apart in practice.  :-(

What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when
bounces occur?

-- 
Eric Christopherson

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:

What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when
bounces occur?


This list displays (not "full headers"):
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600
From: Eric Christopherson via cctalk 
Reply-To: Eric Christopherson ,
"General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 

To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 


Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system


Some yahoos would do it as:
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600
From: "Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com [cctalk]"
   
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 


Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system


Notice, that they also munge the From:, but they include the author's 
email address buried within the munged From:.


It is not the "correct" From: and Reply-to:,
but, apparently some "modern" systems will not tolerate it done 
"correctly".
Given that it is NOT going to be done "correctly", which among us are 
capable of successfully working around it?


This discussion is a little like a pedantic grammar argument.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Paul Berger via cctalk]

On 2017-03-07 10:45 PM, Paul Berger wrote:




On 2017-03-07 10:38 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:

What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when
bounces occur?


This list displays (not "full headers"):
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600
From: Eric Christopherson via cctalk 
Reply-To: Eric Christopherson ,
"General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 

To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 


Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system


Some yahoos would do it as:
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600
From: "Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com [cctalk]"

To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 


Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system


Notice, that they also munge the From:, but they include the author's 
email address buried within the munged From:.


It is not the "correct" From: and Reply-to:,
but, apparently some "modern" systems will not tolerate it done 
"correctly".
Given that it is NOT going to be done "correctly", which among us are 
capable of successfully working around it?

Well in Thunderbird I get two reply buttons "Reply" and "Reply to list"


This discussion is a little like a pedantic grammar argument.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com




Oppps I never meant to send that.

Paul.

Re: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 03/07/2017 01:04 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote:

we had   tubes  with LEDs in them... took old   florescent  tube out of
fixture.. twisted in the  thing  with the  LEDs in it  that hacked  wight into
the lighting  fixture and  done! Ed#

We had hideous 30-year old magnetic ballasts in the 
kitchen.  A 2-tube 48" fixture consumed 103 W.
So, I really wanted to get those ballasts out of the 
system.  The new system with commercial LED lighting power 
supply uses 21 W.  The light output seems to be about the same.


Jon

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Sean Conner via cctalk]

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:
> >What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when
> >bounces occur?
> 
> This list displays (not "full headers"):
> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600
> From: Eric Christopherson via cctalk 
> Reply-To: Eric Christopherson ,
> "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
> 
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
> 
> Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system
> 
> 
> Some yahoos would do it as:
> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42 -0600
> From: "Eric Christopherson echristopher...@gmail.com [cctalk]"
>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
> 
> Subject: Re: I hate the new mail system
> 
> 
> Notice, that they also munge the From:, but they include the author's 
> email address buried within the munged From:.
> 
> It is not the "correct" From: and Reply-to:,
> but, apparently some "modern" systems will not tolerate it done 
> "correctly".
> Given that it is NOT going to be done "correctly", which among us are 
> capable of successfully working around it?
> 
> This discussion is a little like a pedantic grammar argument.

  Well, RFC-5322 allows a mailbox-list in the From: header, and an
address-list for the Reply-To:, I don't think this is illegal.  And I just
noticed this RFC:

6854 Update to Internet Message Format to Allow Group Syntax in the
 "From:" and "Sender:" Header Fields. B. Leiba. March 2013. (Format:
 TXT=20190 bytes) (Updates RFC5322) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI:
 10.17487/RFC6854)

  Given that, I think adding to the Reply-To: header is kosher now.

  -spc (Hmm ... looks like I have to update my email parser ... )

Re: MIPS I-IV instruction set standards

[Robert Ferguson via cctalk]

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctech 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Angelo Papenhoff via cctech wrote:
> 
>> I'm wondering where the MIPS I-IV standards that are referenced
>> everywhere are defined. I was able to actually find what seems to be the
>> IV standard [1] but found no such thing for I-III. I didn't even find
>> any bibliographic references to them. Did they only exist as printed
>> books and nobody bothered to scan them? Or are they under copyright?
>> Would be nice to have them accessible somewhere.
>> 
>> [1]
>> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/15740-f97/public/doc/mips-isa.pdf
> 
> 
< snip >

> I have seen a copy of the original R2000 manual once, in the form of a 
> collection of pages in a ring binder.  That copy may have been lost since.  
> Silicon manufacturers like IDT, LSI Logic, Performance Semiconductor or 
> Siemens published their R2000/R3000 (and R2010/R3010 FPA) implementation 
> manuals though that may serve as a reference; you should be able to track 
> down scanned copies online.

The book “MIPS RISC Architecture” by Gerry Kane (ISBN 0-13-584293-X), copyright 
1989 by MIPS Computer Systems, has the following blurb as the preface:

“This book is a comprehensive reference for the MIPS RISC architecture. It 
describes the functional characteristics and capabilities of the R2000/R3000 
Processors and the R2010/R3020 floating point accelerators.”

I suspect this is as close to a publicly available architecture reference that 
exists for that generation of MIPS processors.

- Rob

Re: MIPS I-IV instruction set standards

[Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk]

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Angelo Papenhoff via cctech wrote:

> I'm wondering where the MIPS I-IV standards that are referenced
> everywhere are defined. I was able to actually find what seems to be the
> IV standard [1] but found no such thing for I-III. I didn't even find
> any bibliographic references to them. Did they only exist as printed
> books and nobody bothered to scan them? Or are they under copyright?
> Would be nice to have them accessible somewhere.
> 
> [1]
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/15740-f97/public/doc/mips-isa.pdf

 A differently formatted copy of the same document used to be available at 

 
though `techpubs.sgi.com' has been recently taken offline I'm told (and I 
haven't checked if `archive.org' has a copy).  In either version of the 
document you can see how the ISA has progressed in the opcode tables 
towards the end of each appendix; this might be the best original ISA 
reference readily available.

 As to the earlier ISA levels I believe their definitions were only buried 
as parts of the respective MIPSCO processor manuals, i.e. the R2000/R3000, 
the R6000 and the R4000/R4400.

 The latter is available online in several places; originally at 
 and 
.

 The final version of the R6000 manual may not have been made.  A very 
early revision was found and has been scanned and published at 
 as tarballs of TIFF images 
(I have made a PDF conversion and placed the result at 
).  It is 
inaccurate and lacks opcode encodings.

 I have seen a copy of the original R2000 manual once, in the form of a 
collection of pages in a ring binder.  That copy may have been lost since.  
Silicon manufacturers like IDT, LSI Logic, Performance Semiconductor or 
Siemens published their R2000/R3000 (and R2010/R3010 FPA) implementation 
manuals though that may serve as a reference; you should be able to track 
down scanned copies online.

 HTH,

  Maciej

Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Chris Reuter via cctalk]

I have some NeXT hardware that I'm looking to re-home.  Items include:

1 NeXT cube with an unknown expansion card
2 Monochrome monitors
2 NeXTStation "slab" workstations, non-functional
Boxed NeXTStep installation media with manuals (may not be complete)
2 Mice, 3 keyboards, various cables, SCSI drives, odds and ends.

(Picture at 
;

the fruit is not included.)

I'm located in Toronto; preference will be given to anyone who is
willing to come here and haul it away.  I *may* be willing to ship it
somewhere, but if so, you're paying for it and it can't cause me a lot
of hassle.

Everything is believed to work unless marked otherwise; however, it's
been years since I powered up any of these so I can't promise
anything.

The monitors both worked when I last tried them.  One had succumbed to
the dimness problem but the other was still bright, if blurry.
Presumably, you could swap CRTs and have one like-new NeXT monochrome
monitor.

One of the two slabs would get partway through its boot sequence
before hanging so it might be easily fixable.  The other one was
stripped for parts before I got it.  The Cube worked the last time I
tried it.  I did, however, try to add a second drive, which didn't
work.  This may have screwed up the SCSI termination.

My preferred contact email is .


  --Chris

--
Chris Reuter http://www.blit.ca
"I used to be able to count to 1023 on my fingers in two minutes, but 
then I

 got better."
   --Eb Oesch, <903f6dfe.0303242039.1f9e6...@posting.google.com>

Re: Fluorescent lights (Was: Full immersion emulation)

[Ed via cctalk]

have no idea...  wife bought them at  home depot  they were  not cheap but 
just twisted ino fixture and  done.
I am going to  do dame in some of the  rooms at  SMECC  museum too.
 
I like a simple  fix and this was!
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/7/2017 12:43:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:



On 3/7/2017 11:04 AM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
> we  had   tubes  with LEDs in them... took oldflorescent  tube out of
> fixture.. twisted in the   thing  with the  LEDs in it  that hacked  
wight  into
> the lighting  fixture and  done!  Ed#
>   
I've asked about those and have no sources of  such.  They do have to 
work thru ballasts and deal with starter  issues that are no longer 
relevant, unless you remove and rewire the  ballasts / starters out of 
the old fixtures.

The things I've seen  are the same form factor as a 4' dual tube dual 40 
watt fixture with 110  in and light out.  Pull and toss an old dual tube 
fixture and replace  with new LED.  But I've not seen the tube solution.  
I've got a  couple of spots the tube thing would be desirable, but no 
source of  such.  If you do have a source I'd be  interested.

thanks
Jim

Re: I hate the new mail system

[Tor Arntsen via cctalk]

On 7 March 2017 at 15:57, Pete Turnbull via cctalk
 wrote:
> On 07/03/2017 13:47, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Pete Turnbull wrote:
>>>
>>> No, Mouse is right, it's broken:
>>
>>
>> Works for me (also from different networks outside the university
>> network):
>
>
> Interesting... I still get the same errors.  Could it be location-dependant
> in some way?  Are you using the standard whois port 43/TCP?

I tested 'whois -h whois.denic.de uni-stuttgart.de'
from Oslo, London, Tokyo, and it seems to work fine - I got all
expected whois output. Tested yesterday too.
Sounds like it may be the whois client instead - what OS are you guys
using, and which 'whois' version?
I'm using various Linux distros.